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Internal pitching coach discussions have begun

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

During a conference call this afternoon, Joe Girardi said he and Brian Cashman have started talking about potential pitching coaches for next season.

“We want to get it done as quickly as possible,” Girardi said. “But we want to make sure we cover all our bases and make sure we interview as many people as we need to.”

Those discussions are in the very early stages. Girardi signed his deal on Thursday, and discussions began that same day. Girardi said they are considering internal and external candidates.

“We have not reached out to anyone, yet,” Girardi said. “I’m sure we will fairly quickly.”

UPDATE, 4:10 p.m.: On the same conference call, Cashman just said he doesn’t expect a pitching coach to be hired quickly. Girardi was an obvious leading candidate at manager, and that made the Girardi signing fairly immediate.

Cashman said the team will “certainly” consider Mike Harkey and Scott Aldred.

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45 Responses to “Internal pitching coach discussions have begun”

  1. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Ledger_Yankees “Nothing’s really going to happen until I sit down with my bosses.” — Cashman, who meets with the Brothers Steinbrenner on Monday in Tampa

  2. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Cash says payroll hasn’t been set yet either, apparently. Another issue to be hashed out in Monday/Tuesday meetings in Tampa. about 1 minute ago reply

  3. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Where is Art Fowler ?

  4. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Aside from pitching, Cashman on the roster “I don’t think it needs a lot of changes.”

    Ledger_Yankees Cash on K-Long: “I think he’d like to stay. We’d like to keep him. I think he’s exceptional at what he does.”

  5. PittsburghYankeeFan October 29th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Erin

    Brothers Steinbrenner and Jennifer, who my $$$$ says really calls the shots.

  6. hardwired7 October 29th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    imho, it’s time for the Yanks to take a hard look @Nick Swisher.

    his OPS+ (130) was great during the regular season this yr, but again he absolutely killed them in the PS.

    his PS #s w/the Yanks:

    12-for-81 (.148 BA).

    at some point, you have to realize the league has figured Nick out when it counts the most. Girardi and Cashman seem enthralled w/him, so I’m probably just shouting in the wind…

  7. hardwired7 October 29th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    (obviously Swisher didn’t “absolutely kill” them last yr, since they overcame his lack of productivity in October and won it all, but let’s be honest: A-Rod carried the under-achievers on his back.)

  8. Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    hardwired7 October 29th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    imho, it’s time for the Yanks to take a hard look @Nick Swisher.

    his OPS+ (130) was great during the regular season this yr, but again he absolutely killed them in the PS.

    his PS #s w/the Yanks:

    12-for-81 (.148 BA).

    at some point, you have to realize the league has figured Nick out when it counts the most. Girardi and Cashman seem enthralled w/him, so I’m probably just shouting in the wind…

    **********

    I agree…The clown act doesn’t seem as cute when games are more meaningful…but can you guarantee you can get someone that won’t do the same thing? You have to get to the playoffs before anything else and at least he can help get you there…although he is to blame as much as anyone else for the PS woes – but at least he got a few hits – what about Tex? Gardner? AROD (this year anyway)?

  9. 108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Organizational meetings next week in Tampa will see many decisions made with payroll on the forefront. Great time to be a fly on the wall.

  10. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    If Swish had been healthy during the postseason, he might have done much better. He was basically playing on one leg ever since September.

  11. Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Cash on K-Long: “I think he’d like to stay. We’d like to keep him. I think he’s exceptional at what he does.”

    **************

    Am i in the minority in thinking that although he has kind of helped people like granderson (somewhat) – that there are way too many holes (and huge ones) in alot of the yankee batters….tex is a big example, arod seems to lunge at so many pitches – the team as a whole has gone into week long funks, they seem to not be able to hit pitchers they’ve never seen before regardless of how bad they have been in their careers at that point, mediocre pitchers they have seen seem to shut them down more times than not, and the kicker is they have gone ice cold in the playoffs 2 years in a row (minus arod last year and cano this year)…it just seems like as a team they seem so unprepared to what is coming from these pitchers that they should be dominating..

    eiland was fired for not having his pitchers prepared – they kept saying they looked OK in the bullpen and then fell apart in the game..(don’t think eilands off field shenanigans were the sole reason for his dismissal – if it was that at all)

  12. Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Erin October 29th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    If Swish had been healthy during the postseason, he might have done much better. He was basically playing on one leg ever since September.

    *****

    Erin that may be true but he was 100% healthly last year and did the same thing…i like the guy but at some point, at least for the yankees, its what you do in the playoffs that count, not games against cleveland in june….

  13. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    If you don’t do it against Cleveland in June you never even get the chance to do it in the playoffs.

  14. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Cashman needs to go-you’re right about him being healthy last year-the only difference is that last year he hadn’t reworked his swing yet. We’ll never know-but I’m willing to bet he would have done much better this year if not for his knee.

  15. sunny615 October 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    No to Harkey. He did a terrible job in Eilands place.

  16. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    pcaldera Cashman on Jeter: ‘He’s the best candidate to play shortstop for this franchise.’ Wants to add another LH reliever, sign remaining coaches.

  17. Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    doreen and erin – like i said i like the guy and hope he’s on the team for next year…i have more issues with tex – who gets paid almost 3 times as much and does half as less in the playoffs..lets hope the yankees make it to the PS next year and they both prove me wrong..

  18. BoJo October 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Organizational meetings next week in Tampa will see many decisions made with payroll on the forefront. Great time to be a fly on the wall.
    ++++++++++++++
    Be careful of what you wish for…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  19. DocTodd October 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I think Nick Whiffer’s problem is that he gets so amped up in the playoffs, he goes up to the plate looking to hit a 6 run homer….Swinging as hard as he can, rather than swinging in a controlled manner…He needs to put the bat on the ball, and forget about trying to swing for the fences….

  20. Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    DocTodd October 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    I think Nick Whiffer’s problem is that he gets so amped up in the playoffs, he goes up to the plate looking to hit a 6 run homer….Swinging as hard as he can, rather than swinging in a controlled manner…He needs to put the bat on the ball, and forget about trying to swing for the fences….

    *****************

    see my comments about kevin long at 4:46pm above…

  21. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    I think Swisher could bring in a good player or two in the right deal. I also don’t care for:

    ** The clown act.
    ** The over dramatized sliding catches when not necessary.
    ** The constant changing hair cuts to call attention to himself.
    ** The constant pointing to the heavens when he gets any type of hit. (once i awhile is OK, but give it a rest once in awhile)

    If I were Cashman and someone approached me about Tex I would listen. Absent in April and May and in the Postseason two years running should be of concern. His great defense at first wopuld be hard to replace though.

  22. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    BoJo
    October 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Funny U-Tube.

  23. LGY October 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    The Yankee organization since Cashman got complete control could not make one thing more clear.

    They do not make decisions or even let their decisions be influenced at all by performance during a small sample in October.

    They comments about Swishers postseason performance are wasted breath no matter how many narratives are created on here.

  24. Red Lobster October 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    “If I were Cashman and someone approached me about Tex I would listen.”

    Tex is like a bear…. comes out of hibernation only once the weather gets warm, goes back into hibernation when the weather starts to cool.

  25. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    typo / sb: ** would **

  26. RadioKev October 29th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    # Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    I think Swisher could bring in a good player or two in the right deal. I also don’t care for:

    ** The clown act.
    ** The over dramatized sliding catches when not necessary.
    ** The constant changing hair cuts to call attention to himself.
    ** The constant pointing to the heavens when he gets any type of hit. (once i awhile is OK, but give it a rest once in awhile)

    If I were Cashman and someone approached me about Tex I would listen. Absent in April and May and in the Postseason two years running should be of concern. His great defense at first wopuld be hard to replace though.
    ———————

    You’re right. It’s ridiculous for sports to be fun, never mind a sport which refers to its events as “games.” Nick Swisher is only a switch hitter with a decent arm, hit for a solid average and for power, was traded for almost nothing, and was one of the most productive Yankees this past season. Also let’s nix Teixiera, the man who has hit the most home runs for the Yankees over the past two years and who is also a switch hitter.

    Any player that can’t hit in April or May should be forced off this team! Poor post season player? You’re out of here! Good bye A-Rod, CC Sabathia, Mariano Rivera blew a few too, so let’s cut him, and lets cut the rest of the Yankees while we’re at it.

    Clearly The Giants are an all around superior team, let’s just sign all of them up.

    In all honesty, I’m not sure why I’d respond to such ridiculous suggestions…it’s a good thing baseball teams don’t have town hall meetings to make decisions.

  27. Yankee Trader October 29th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Teixeira couldn’t hit righties Toomany holes and moving parts in his swing from the left side and had to swing against the shift. Jeter couldn’t hit righties and A-Rod had the worst average among Yankee regulars against lefties.

    The Yankees were behind early in so many games they became too reliant on the long ball, and failed often with RISP. Kevin Long is not the problem.

    If the Yankees sign Lee, my guess is that the core group of position players stays intact, as I don’t see them signing another high priced FA, other than their own-Jeter, Rivera and hopefully Pettitte. Cashman will then need to focus on the bench, the pen, and possibly catching if Montero is not ready.

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    I think the importance and impact of hitting and pitching coaches is overrated. They tend to get too much credit when things go well and not enough blame when they don’t. I don’t care that much who they pick to be the pitching coach, I am sure it will someone well qualified to do the job.

  29. 108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Bojo :

    It could be worse ……………. like at the Bates Motel.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsgDP31v2LE

  30. rb from LI October 29th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    RadioKev October 29th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Excellent.

  31. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    “Tex is like a bear…. comes out of hibernation only once the weather gets warm, goes back into hibernation when the weather starts to cool”.

    ———————-

    Nice analogy.

    Except for $ 23 mil. next year the hibernation crap has run its course. Time to put up monster numbers from start to finish (40+ HR’s, 130+ RBI’s, 100+ RS, .300+ BA) and in the process cut down the bat waggle (ala: Granderson and Swisher)

  32. RadioKev October 29th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    I think the importance and impact of hitting and pitching coaches is overrated. They tend to get too much credit when things go well and not enough blame when they don’t. I don’t care that much who they pick to be the pitching coach, I am sure it will someone well qualified to do the job.

    I would go ahead and say that they’re underrated. Eiland and Long seem to be very good coaches. We hear Long’s accolades often as hardcore Yankee fans, but many wouldn’t appreciate him if not for reading beat writers. Meanwhile Eiland seemed to be a pretty observant pitching coach aside from a few guys like AJ Burnett and Javy who lost it. Most guys bounced back after poor starts, he frequently made effective on the mound coaching tips, and he straightened out many guys in the bullpen – Kerry Wood for one seemed to turn things around.

    I think to your typical baseball fan, coaches are underrated, and managers are overrated.

  33. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    # Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Giuseppe Franco
    October 29th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Social anxiety disorder does not make someone a “headcase.”

    Read a book once in awhile instead of sticking your foot in your mouth.

    ===================

    FYI, Greinke has been in the league 7 years now, here is what he has done:

    ** Sub .500 career winning % (.472)
    ** Has an almost 4.00 ERA for his career (3.82)
    ** Gives up more than a hit per inning. (9.1)
    ** Made one All Star game & won the CYA.
    ** No appearances in the Post Season.

    Call it whatever you want anxiety, depression, socially disfunctional, can’t handle pressure, (Ed Whitson, Kevin Brown ring a bell ?) a guy who has some of the major market teams (NYY among them) on his no trade list that is due $ 27 mil. over the next two years is not a good fit for the Yankees imo. Another guy to wet nurse with AJ & Joba.

    How many top prospects or ML players do you think it will take to get him ? The Royals aren’t going to give him away. Keep dreaming Einstein.
    ———

    Never said a single word about obtaining Zack Grienke in any sort of trade. Not one. Didn’t even imply it. That’s Chip’s fantasy trade nonsense.

    My only objection was labeling the guy a “headcase.” I guarantee he can handle pressure better than you can.

    I’ve worked in psych for a long time. Come to work with me some day and I’ll show you what a “headcase” really looks like.

    Until then, just sprinkle some salt on that foot.

  34. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    RadioKev
    October 29th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    He can have all the fun he wants to just without the ‘drama’ imo. Yes, he was productive during the regular season, the last two post seasons he was AWOL.

    On Tex, I said I would listen if I were Cashman, it never hurts to listen to possibilites in order to improve the team.

    Reading something into what I didn’t write is ridiculous. Thank you for not putting words in my mouth.

  35. Rebecca-Optimist Prime October 29th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Hey people

    1) Swisher points to the sky to honor his grandmother.

    2) Swisher hit .288/.359/.511 and had an OPS+ of 130–significantly better than league average. The Yankees have him on an EXTREMELY team friendly deal…and you want to dump him?

    The mind, it boggles.

    3) The Yankees lead the league in runs scored. Whatever the problem in 2010 was, blaming the offense doesn’t hold a lot of water when you realize that 29 other teams are looking UP at the Yankee offense.

    I’d argue K-Long is good at his job.

    4) While there are concerns about Greinke, win-loss record should be at the bottom of your argument. He pitches for the Royals; can’t control what his offense does or does not do. Greinke has been excellent the past three years, and unless you are him or know him personally, you do not know how his SAD would affect him in NY. You can guess, but you won’t know.

    Anyway. As you were.

  36. West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    I think headcase was just the vernacular Vineyard used to refer to someone who has had adjustment issues, whatever they may be. It’s a baseball blog not a professional academic forum. The point is that it is a perfectly reasonable position to take thinking he may not be suited for big city lights and pressure.

  37. Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    When you look at Yankees offense building philosophy under Cashman. It has been constructing a cyclical OBP machine. It’s an offense that is capable of wearing down starting pitchers and gets into the middle relievers. It’s a very effective philosophy in dealing with regular season as team normally face mediocre to bad pitching most of the time. Patience is also an attribute that rarely disappears during a slump.

    In the playoff, you are normally facing an elite team’s front three starters with late BP guys ready at any signs of trouble. Any team or hitters can experience futility in a rather short sample size.

    When a look at this year’s team. The only thing I can see that is missing is the lack of more high average and contact hitters. As it is constructed. DH and LF positon are most likely area where Cashman can go out and make an upgrade. There are simply too much dollars and years committed to many positions that takes away flexibility of this team in the next 2-3 years. Which in term makes building a deep and fertile farm an increasing important objective.

  38. RadioKev October 29th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    So Vineyard Yankee,

    Who would you prefer play first base for the Yankees? Almost every player in the MLB is a downgrade on Tex. How many guys post better numbers than he does? Now take that, how many guys play a better first base?

    Now if you were making a value based argument, performance versus cost, maybe there are better options. However that’s not really important to the Yankees.

    I just can’t see why you would even suggest than Tex is a movable piece for this team.

  39. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    My only objection was labeling the guy a “headcase.” I guarantee he can handle pressure better than you can.

    I’ve worked in psych for a long time. Come to work with me some day and I’ll show you what a “headcase” really looks like.

    Until then, just sprinkle some salt on that foot.

    ———————————

    Thank you for your opinion Dr. Freud. Your post was in comment on my reply to acquiring Greinke. For someone who claims to be in the field you sure surprise me with your personal insults. You don’t agree with my posts then scroll past and don’t read them, otherwise this is a Baseball Blog not a psych ward. Buzz off child.

  40. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    I think headcase was just the vernacular Vineyard used to refer to someone who has had adjustment issues, whatever they may be. It’s a baseball blog not a professional academic forum. The point is that it is a perfectly reasonable position to take thinking he may not be suited for big city lights and pressure.

    ———

    Fair enough. But if someone says something stupid, baseball related or otherwise, they are going to get called on it.

    Not being a professional academic forum is an excuse to justify idiocy.

  41. West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    I think headcase was just the vernacular Vineyard used to refer to someone who has had adjustment issues, whatever they may be. It’s a baseball blog not a professional academic forum. The point is that it is a perfectly reasonable position to take thinking he may not be suited for big city lights and pressure.

    ———

    Fair enough. But if someone says something stupid, baseball related or otherwise, they are going to get called on it.

    Not being a professional academic forum is an excuse to justify idiocy.

    ******************

    The problem with that position Giuseppe is that it presupposes some credentials on your part to decide what is “stupid” or “idiocy”. It’s just someone expressing their opinion.

  42. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    RadioKev
    October 29th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Third time now. I said if I was Cashman I would “LISTEN’. I did not say ‘DUMP HIM’ or for Cashman to actively attempt to move him. It does no harm to listen.

    For discussion purposes only, if you could get a young top flight SS and a quality SP for Tex perhaps put ARod at 1B and Jeter at 3rd.

  43. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    The problem with that position Giuseppe is that it presupposes some credentials on your part to decide what is “stupid” or “idiocy”. It’s just someone expressing their opinion.

    ——–

    And I expressed mine. As did Rebecca and LGY.

    You don’t have to be a doctor or licensed professional to take issue with someone who labeled someone a headcase.

    Moving on.

  44. West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    You got it. Everyone expressing their opinion. Except, you choose to do it by insulting someone. Notice how I expressed my disagreement with you but didn’t call you stupid and idiotic.

  45. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    You got it. Everyone expressing their opinion. Except, you choose to do it by insulting someone. Notice how I expressed my disagreement with you but didn’t call you stupid and idiotic.

    ————

    Good grief. Are you done yet?

    Never called him an idiot or stupid. His comment was idiotic and stupid.

    Whatever.

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