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Turns out, there was a way to beat these guys

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

World Series Rangers Giants Baseball

Two nights ago, just before the first pitch of the World Series, my friend Ben sent a 13-character text message.

WS prediction?

I responded with five words.

Rangers in six. Maybe five.

That’s what you call expert analysis. I’d love to give a perfect explanation of how the Giants were able to take a 2-0 lead in this series, but I suspect the answer is far too simplistic to count as analysis. It seems to me the Giants have simply played pretty well. The first two innings and the last inning of Game 1 were a bit rocky, but otherwise they’ve hit and they’ve pitched, and those are two things the Yankees simply could not do in the ALCS.

And here’s more expert analysis: Hitting and pitching are important. I’d venture to say they’re two of the three most important parts of the game (but I’m also the guy who said Rangers in five or six, so there’s a solid chance I have no idea what I’m talking about).

One other reason I can’t give much analysis is that I saw nothing but highlights of last night’s game. I stayed home to get some work done for the weekend, and that meant no access to FOX, which meant no World Series. The box score tells a lot, though.

Matt Cain was terrific, C.J. Wilson was solid, Edgar Renteria had a big night and the Giants pounced on a Rangers bullpen that couldn’t throw strikes (shades of ALCS Game 1).

Bottom line: The Giants pitching staff allowed four hits and the Giants lineup was 4-for-9 with runners in scoring position. I’d say that’s the difference. That’s the reason the Giants are leading in the World Series while the Yankees are sitting at home. Then again, this is coming from the same guy who sent that Rangers text message two nights ago.

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111 Responses to “Turns out, there was a way to beat these guys”

  1. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    GB7 -

    Sure, you took the easy job!!! :lol:

    Interleague play is something that sounds like it should be a good idea, but in reality the games feel like exhibition games that count. Especially AL teams playing in NL parks, it isn’t the game the team is used to playing. I don’t like AL pitchers having to hit and run the bases when it’s not something they ordinarily do. I’m not saying pitchers are incapable of hitting and running, but they don’t do the same drills or have the same preparation as NL pitchers do. And they’re not going to spend an awful lot of time getting them ready for a handful of games.

    Plus, I believe interleague play takes something away from the All-Star Game. Just a little.

    They’re also seriously discussing expanding the playoffs with more wild card teams and a best of 7 division series. Unless they shorten the regular season, I don’t know how they accomplish this without severe weather becoming a real factor. And baseball already seems redundant by late October. If the shorten the season, they’ll have to forego interleague play, I would hope. I’d also like a more balanced schedule, and fewer 2- and 4- game series. I can dream, can’t I?

  2. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    I caught a little bit of the bottom of the 8th. It made me happy. :)

  3. raymagnetic October 29th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Chad you may still be correct with your prediction. ;)

  4. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Chad -

    “You can’t predict baseball.”

    :)

  5. Niblick October 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    And Joe G. gets a 3 more years for preparing his team as well as he did for the playoffs (and for managing as if he had never seen a baseball game in his life) . Of course, that’s the Yankee mentality all over again – reward failure and incompetence.

  6. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    The bottom of the 8th was fun to watch!

  7. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    raymagnetic -

    Sssshhhh!

    :lol:

  8. raymagnetic October 29th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Seriously though the Rangers aren’t as good as they looked against the Yankees and San Fran isn’t as good as they look now.

  9. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Doreen, the idea of an extra wild card make me ill. That’s the trouble with the NFL, NBA and NHL. Only about 6 teams DON’T make the playoffs. One of these days a sub .500 team is going to win the league championship.

  10. Asd October 29th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    The Giants have done the one thing it would of taken to Yankees doing to be in this WS: Hit the ball.

  11. blake October 29th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Lot of pressure on the Rangers and Lewis in game 3 with Bumgardner vs Hunter on tap for game 4…..that is unless they throw Lee on short rest…which they have given no indication of doing. The Rangers can still.come back but its a steep unhill climb.

  12. 108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    I’ll bet that Andrew Brackman gets a long look in spring training, maybe as a reliever.
    With his size he’s almost like a righthanded Randy Johnson coming at a hitter. With his release point, the ball will be at a hitter quicker than the average pitcher.

  13. raymagnetic October 29th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Doreen,

    Lol, I want the Rangers to lose and look horrible while doing so.

  14. ac1 October 29th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Niblick October 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am
    And Joe G. gets a 3 more years for preparing his team as well as he did for the playoffs (and for managing as if he had never seen a baseball game in his life) . Of course, that’s the Yankee mentality all over again – reward failure and incompetence.

    ___

    Yeah one of the final 4 teams, one year after winning a title is failure and incompetence..

    If that’s failure, i would hate to know what people think about you.

  15. blake October 29th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    I like girardi but its a shame he had a falling out with the Marlins….if not maybe they could trade him for Mike Stanton ;)

  16. Tom in N.J. October 29th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Why are people so angry over the resigning of Girardi? Did he sleep with your wife? Run over your dog? Disgrace your Sensei?

  17. blake October 29th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    I agree. It benefits the Yankees for the Rangers to lose and to look like a flash in the pan in doing so. The more doubt Lee has about their yearly competitiveness the better.

  18. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    blake October 29th, 2010 at 9:15 am
    I like girardi but its a shame he had a falling out with the Marlins….if not maybe they could trade him for Mike Stanton

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    Maybe Chad can go to LoHud and have them arrange a trade….all of the trolls on here for Stanton. After all, fans are fans and they need any type they can get.

  19. ac1 October 29th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    i dont know…. if people on here had their way, they would have traded possible mvp cano, for supposed headcase Matt Kemp.

  20. JM October 29th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Yes, the Rangers must lose.

    After two straight LOSING trips to the WS, maybe Cliff Lee will realize the only way to actually WIN one is to don the pinstripes….. :)

  21. JM October 29th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Totally opposed to another wild card. Baseball is fine the way it is. They are already moving the start of the season up next year because Selig wants the WS to end before November. At this rate they will be playing in Minnesota in early march in a blizzard within the next couple of years.

  22. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    ac1 October 29th, 2010 at 9:20 am
    i dont know?. if people on here had their way, they would have traded possible mvp cano, for supposed headcase Matt Kemp.

    ***********************************

    :x

  23. hardwired7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    the Rangers scouted the hell out of the Yanks. they knew in August how the AL was shaking out, and they were ready for the Rays and the Yanks.

    now they’re playing the Giants w/out the benefit of a meticulously prepared game plan. not as much fun when the other team doesn’t fall into your traps…

  24. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    I just realized-before I leave work today, I get to change my calendar. Mark Teixeira month is SO much better than Brian Bruney month. ;)

  25. blake October 29th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    I never wanted them to trade Cano for Kemp but id still love it if they could get their hands on him….he has cano level talent and perhaps the influence of Arod, Jeter, etc could bring it out of him..

  26. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Baseball already has a very long season. Even if they shorten it, it’s still a long season. I like a best of 7 in the division, but they need to tighten it up.

    Adding more wild card teams makes a travesty of the marathon that is the baseball season. Why do I think they want to do this because the AL East has sent Wild Cards often?

    If they want to make sure the WC doesn’t always (often) come from the AL East, they could just make 4 divisions and have no wild card. Put all the teams in the 4th division who otherwise would have no chance of winning a division or a wild card spot.

  27. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Erin

    Was Brian Bruney month October?

    No wonder it didn’t turn out as well as we’d hoped!!!

  28. GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Oh, Oh!!! Trouble in River City. At them mention of people wanting Cano traded for Kemp, bERtIN is growling, scowling and showing her teeth.

  29. Phil in Columbus October 29th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    I wouldn’t be opposed to a 2nd wildcard team. They could play a best of 3. Instead of extending the season they could simply shorten the season by one week by going back to real doubleheaders, a true 2 for one. Each team would have a home doubleheader once a month, May thru September. Tie in bat day, cap day etc with those days also. What a great value for fans with families, that can’t afford to attend many games. Those Sunday doubleheaders with my parents and brother against the Indians in old Cleveland Muni stadium bring back nothing but great memories.

  30. JM October 29th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    I think the reason they want to add another wild card is one thing….$$$.

    More teams with a shot at getting extra revenue from another playoff possibility.

    But I do agree the division series should be 7 games.

    P.S. Why in the world did Brian Bruney get a month? And October of all months?

    I guess I have a different Yankees calendar because Andy Pettite is the October player on mine. :)

  31. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Doreen-I know. That was a really bad sign. LOL

  32. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    GreenBeret7 October 29th, 2010 at 9:29 am
    Oh, Oh!!! Trouble in River City. At them mention of people wanting Cano traded for Kemp, bERtIN is growling, scowling and showing her teeth.

    *************************
    that’s right. Be warned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. Abe Peterham October 29th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Tom in N.J. says:
    October 29, 2010 at 9:17 am
    Why are people so angry over the resigning of Girardi? Did he sleep with your wife? Run over your dog? Disgrace your Sensei?
    ///
    No that was Eilands job

  34. Ruby Tuesday October 29th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Yankees in 5.

  35. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Niblick
    October 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    And Joe G. gets a 3 more years for preparing his team as well as he did for the playoffs (and for managing as if he had never seen a baseball game in his life) . Of course, that’s the Yankee mentality all over again – reward failure and incompetence.

    ================

    Exactly. Not even one thought of anyone else out there, Valentine, Randolph, Torre, sad. Management must love Girardi or they love his binder.

  36. bkk October 29th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Go Giants, Go!

  37. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Trade Cano for Kemp ? ? Where did that rubbish come from. Cano’s best years are still in front of him (batting in the 3 hole going forward). I could just imagine the Three Stooges together on the same team. Kemp (Moe) AJ (Larry) and Joba (Curly) What a crew that would be. No way on that deal.

  38. Fran the original October 29th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    So happy the Giants are taking it to Texas so far. The Giants are hitting with RISP position, which the Yankees failed to do. But SF is also getting good starting pitching which the Yanks did not. They were constantly in a hole.

  39. Mell October 29th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    “Chad you may still be correct with your prediction.”

    True. Anyone look more dead after two World Series games than the 1996 New York Yankees?

  40. DocTodd October 29th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    The key to hitting is to not try to kill the ball, but to make good contact and put the ball in play, which is what the Giants have been doing. Nick Whiffer needs to watch these games and take this approach….

  41. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Vineyard Yankees -

    That fantasy trade was from last year and the year before. Oddly, no one wants to trade Cano now. :)

  42. lordbyron October 29th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    The Giants just happen to be on a roll – more power to them and the Rangers now look like the Yankees. Baseball can be a crazy game.

  43. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Biting my tongue. Biting my tongue. Biting my tongue.

  44. 108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Talk of an extra Wild Card, and shortening of the regular season schedule are among things that Selig does as a smoke screen to make fans forget that he was the game’s biggest cheerleader during the steroid years.
    After the strike of ’94, he had to get rumps in seats again and looked the other way while hailing McGwire, Sosa, and others as conquering heroes that restored financial well being to the game again.

  45. bkk October 29th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    I so wanna see Vlad play in right again. Him and his crazy hijinks!

  46. Asd October 29th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Yes. Perhaps with some Benny Hill runaround music in the background as he attempts to field balls?

  47. blake October 29th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    I don’t think they should shorten the season….I think they should move it up. Start the season in early march….have pennant races in August when nothing else in sports is going on and have the playoffs in late september and the world series in the first week of October. The postseason weather will be better and their will be less competition with football and fall TV scheduling.

  48. Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    See what good pitching does to a team….and the opposition…

    plus I like how EVERYONE on the giants doesn’t try to be a hero and just tries to have solid at bats..

    case in point: last nights 8th inning….cody ross walks on 4 pitches to load the bases…aubrey huff comes up and TAKES some pitches knowing full well that the pitcher is having a hard time throwing stikes (and eventually walks to score another run)..

    if it was jeter, posada, tex, swisher, arod, and even cano they’d be swinging for the fences on the first pitch…thats something that has to come from the manager if the players are too dumb to realize it…

  49. Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Again, biting my tongue.

  50. 86w183 October 29th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    the idea behind the extra wild card is threefold.

    One, it adds interest to the stretch run of the regular season with another post-season spot to compete for.

    Two, it ADDS value to winning a division title by giving those teams time to set their rotation while the wild card teams go head to head 2-of-3 (my plan) to be the fourth team in the divisional series.

    I like the idea of monthly doubleheaders to take a week off the season, but you have to let teams that draw well have day/night DH to get both gates. Teams that don’t sell more than 50 % season tickets might find it in their interests to have a true Double Header.

  51. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    blake October 29th, 2010 at 10:28 am
    I don’t think they should shorten the season….I think they should move it up. Start the season in early march….have pennant races in August when nothing else in sports is going on and have the playoffs in late september and the world series in the first week of October. The postseason weather will be better and their will be less competition with football and fall TV scheduling.
    —————————-

    Problem with that is we already see games get snowed out in northern venues early in the season as it is. Moving the season up would only increase that. Plus, going from the heat of Florida and Arizona to the cold of places like New York and Chicago would increase injuries.

  52. BIG AL October 29th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    MLB should go back to a balanced schedule, otherwise the standings are favoring teams that play in the weaker divisions.

    Get rid of inter-league play, if MLB wants to keep inter-league play, then the DH rule should be in affect both in AL & NL cities. All teams within a division should be required to play the same NL teams, to keep it balanced.

    I would prefer no more inter-league play, double headers to shorten the season, and all PS series best of 7.

    You could go back to a 162 game season, get more money from the PS through TV deals, and share that across the board to make up for the fewer games played.

    I realize AL teams and fans love the DH, but, as a fan I’d like to see all MLB teams play by the same rules. Put it to a vote, DH or no DH for all of baseball.

  53. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Thank you Doreen.

  54. blake October 29th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Chip,

    That is the only drawback….weather would be an issue early for a few teams but it would also.make it less of an issue late and baseballs entire season would pretty much go with no television competition.

  55. Yanksgal07 October 29th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    I like my calendar best ….they gave it out at the Stadium on the first weekend of the season ….October has the Yankees celebrating winning the division .. . :o) November is the picture of the team…Mo specifically…holding up the Championship Trophy …

    I hope those same pics are on the 2011 calendar …

    Go Yankees 2011 !!!

  56. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    If I was in charge of baseball

    1. I contract the current Pirates organization and hold a draft to disseminate the players in their organization among the other teams.

    2. I move Tampa to Pittsburg. The city is a good market, has a new stadium, just needs a good team and the Rays are a good team with a terrible park that they can’t fill.

    3. I set a salary basement. Every organization must have a payroll of $40 mil to cover the 40 man roster. Payrolls get measured during spring training, on August 1 and on the last day of the season – this prevents a team from holding a fire sale. If you are below that salary level you have to return the money your organization takes in from revenue sharing. If you are below it more than two years in a row, you lose draft picks.

    4. After September 1 you can still do call-ups but you have to have a set 25 man roster per game.

    5. 7 day DL for concussions

    6. Expand rosters to 27 players with 2 “healthy scratches” that way if you have a pitcher who gets overworked out of the pen or a catcher who is dinged but not so bad that he has to go on the DL you can bring in another guy without having to make a roster move.

    7. Two Wild-Cards per league – they play a 1 game play in; winner goes on to take on the number 1 seed but only gets one home game during the five game series.

    8. World Series home field advantage goes to the team with the best record.

  57. Yanksgal07 October 29th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    oops …guess that would be the 2012 …calendar :(….

    Go Yankees 2011 !!!

  58. Ross October 29th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Asd October 29th, 2010 at 10:24 am
    Yes. Perhaps with some Benny Hill runaround music in the background as he attempts to field balls?

    ………………………………………………………………………..

    You mean this??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

  59. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    With the Giants up 2 – 0 right now it is hard for me to believe that Texas will win all three games in Texas. With Colby Lewis and Tommy Hunter pitching the next two games I think the Giants will win at least one of these to send the series back to S.F. up 3 – 2 in the worst case.

  60. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Here’s a trade – just to throw out there:

    Joba Chamberlain for Alex Gordon.

    Both players are in need of a change of scenary and have been relative busts since they came onto the scene.

    Gordon gives the Yankees a player who can see time at 3b, 1b and RF (which they need) and is young and inexpensive.

    Joba gives the Royals pitching – which they need. They likely would put him in the rotation behind Greinke and Meche.

    It’s truly a case of dealing two guys who are at the low points in their trade value.

  61. Joe from Long Island October 29th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Chip – some interesting thoughts.

    1. I like the contraction idea. Especially moving the Rays to Pittsburgh. I used to live in Pittsburgh, and they can and will support a good team and organization. I would contract a second team, just to keep the number of teams even.

    2. Salary floor will be tough sell to owners. But the idea has merit.

    3. 7 day DL for concussions sounds good. However, you have to think a bit. Would it make it less likely for teams to make that diagnosis, for fear of losing a key player for a week? Safeguards would have to be built in so that players who are legitmately hurt are protected.

    4. No more than one game for a play-in.

    5. Absolutely, WS HFA to best record.

  62. Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    2. I move Tampa to Pittsburg. The city is a good market, has a new stadium, just needs a good team and the Rays are a good team with a terrible park that they can’t fill.

    3. I set a salary basement. Every organization must have a payroll of $40 mil to cover the 40 man roster. Payrolls get measured during spring training, on August 1 and on the last day of the season – this prevents a team from holding a fire sale. If you are below that salary level you have to return the money your organization takes in from revenue sharing. If you are below it more than two years in a row, you lose draft picks

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    Chip if you have #3 in place then you wouldn’t have to have #2 – since part of the pirates problem (and the marlins) is that they keep trading off their good players that make too much money…

    i’d move the rays out of tampa though since the people there don’t seem to want to support a good baseball team – also you’d have to contract 2 teams in order to have an even amount of teams to ensure that every team has someone to play every day (if not 1 team would have 3 to 4 consecutive days off each week when everyone else is playing)

    i think they should expand the rosters regardless – football teams have something like 59 players on the team for each game (and they play once a week) – baseball teams play 162 games but have half as many players on the team…

    there are alot of rules in baseball that just don’t make sense…

  63. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Actually never mind that scenario – I just looked at Gordon’s numbers. I knew he was struggling, I didn’t realize how much.

    Geez – another case in point as to why putting all your eggs in a prospect’s basket is not a good idea.

  64. AldotheApache October 29th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Chip, it seems to me all Pittsburgh needs is a management team with a clue.

    Look at the Mets … all that money that they spent, and for what? More felony charges than playoff appearances in their 6 years or so under the Minaya regime, that’s what.

  65. 86w183 October 29th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Chip —–

    I agree with several of your points, but it makes no sense to relocate a team from a pretty big market (Tampa Bay) to a tiny one (Pittsburgh). and contracting one team would result in a scheduling nightmare.

    I’d get rid of the DH over a three year period and sell it to the MLBPA by expanding the 25 man roster to 27 and 40 to 45.

    If you accept a salary basement you have to accept a salary cap and I don’t favor either.

    Also, 2-of-3 for wild card round with the winner taking on the # 1 seed regardless of divisions. That way the other series can begin on day two or three of the wild card round.

    If each team played a day/night DH twice a month you could take almost two weeks off the schedule.

  66. Joe from Long Island October 29th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Chip – don’t know much about Gordon, other than he played with Joba at Nebraska, and has not lived up to the hype. It would depend, of course, on what Billy Eppler and team think about his potential to hit better. Right now, I think Joba has shown more on the ML level.

  67. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Joe -

    With concussions I go the same route as the NFL – league doctors, not team ones, have to make the evaluation.

    After a game in which a player takes one off the mask or there’s a collision of any kind you have to be cleared by a league doctor to play the next day.

  68. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    86 -

    The salary cap is already in place – Revenue Sharing and the Luxury Tax. You don’t say that a team can’t go over (or under) the cap or floor – you just say that there are consequences.

    Pittsburgh isn’t a small market, it’s certainly no smaller than Tampa – they just have had an awful team over the course of 2 decades. Tampa on the other hand has a good team and they have to give away 20,000 tickets to fill the building.

    As for the DH – I actually put it in the NL too – they are the only level of baseball across the world that doesn’t use the DH.

  69. 108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    The time of interleague play has come and gone. No real interest except for the Yankees-Mets, Cubs-White Sox, and The Dodgers-Angels. It doesn’t boost appreciable attendance or interest in most other cities. All it did what create an unbalanced schedule in all divisions and eliminate the DH in NL venues.
    What applies in other professional sports doesn’t necessarily work for baseball. Like most anything else, nothing will change until Selig is out as Commissioner after the 2012 season.

  70. Joe from Long Island October 29th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Chip – yeah, about the league docs. But, they need to do the eval. promptly, so as not to penalize the team for a healthy player being kept out erroneously until the exam. Maybe the league contracts with the local medical center to do the eval. All ML teams are located where there’s major league medical resources available, so that might be the route to go.

  71. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Cashman –

    There would have to be a certain amount of re-alignment, but I think it would work.

    If I had to contract a second team I would probably pick the Royals. Marlins would be next on the list but they generally have a fairly competative team and are building a new stadium so I would want to see how that played out.

  72. Joe from Long Island October 29th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    DH in the NL – hallelujah. Even the argument that the owners don’t want to open up a new salary line for aging sluggers is weak. How much is spent already on payroll, will that fraction really bankrupt the owners? Of course not.

  73. AldotheApache October 29th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    86w183, I don’t about Tampa being a “pretty big market.” Maybe you get that notion from the crowds they draw when the Yankees are in town. There are many, many Yankees fans in attendance.

    I live in south Florida. Tropicana is a toilet. The Rays players themselves have complained about sparse crowds while the team is in the middle of a pennant race. The other Florida team, the Marlins, are ecstatic when they draw 20,000.

    Imo, Florida will never be a significant BASEBALL market.

  74. Joe from Long Island October 29th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Gotta run, but good work, Chip, on starting a discussion on a topic other than looking for scapegoats for Yanks not being in WS. I like it.

    Later.

  75. AldotheApache October 29th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    typo, “I don’t KNOW about Tampa being …”

  76. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 11:10 am
    The time of interleague play has come and gone. No real interest except for the Yankees-Mets, Cubs-White Sox, and The Dodgers-Angels. It doesn’t boost appreciable attendance or interest in most other cities. All it did what create an unbalanced schedule in all divisions and eliminate the DH in NL venues.
    What applies in other professional sports doesn’t necessarily work for baseball. Like most anything else, nothing will change until Selig is out as Commissioner after the 2012 season.
    ——————————

    They’re not going to drop Interleague because every organization will suffer through getting the Royals or Pirates if it means that somewhere along the lines they are going to get the Yankees and Red Sox.

    Those two teams are huge draws where ever they go, and ever organization wants them in their building.

  77. Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    If I had to contract a second team I would probably pick the Royals

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    Or the indians just for the horrible trades they’ve made the last 3 or 4 years getting rid of sabathia, lee, martinez and a few more for basically nothing…

  78. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Jeff Loria is considering trading Mike Stanton to the White Sox for Ozzie Guillen.

  79. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 11:15 am
    If I had to contract a second team I would probably pick the Royals

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    Or the indians just for the horrible trades they’ve made the last 3 or 4 years getting rid of sabathia, lee, martinez and a few more for basically nothing…
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    Yeah but the Indians have been a playoff team recently. And Progressive Field is relatively new.

    I would eliminate teams that have had long stretches of just non-competative baseball

  80. Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Joe from Long Island October 29th, 2010 at 11:14 am
    Gotta run, but good work, Chip, on starting a discussion on a topic other than looking for scapegoats for Yanks not being in WS. I like it.

    Later.

    ************

    NO offense but its a YANKEE blog and just about everyone on the team except cano and pettite was responsible for a pathetic showing in the AlCS – would you rather we speak about for the trillionth time on how jeter does or doesn’t deserve 20 million dollars for the next 4 years? Or maybe how Joba is fat?

  81. blake October 29th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Chip,

    That rumor can’t be true….I.saw that but I just can’t believe it.

  82. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    By the way – as Yankee fans the best thing we can hope for in this World Series is that Cliff Lee is asked, and doesn’t, take the ball on three days rest for the Rangers.

    It will be hard for Texas (and Texas fans) to look at Lee and say, “wow, we’re going to reward a guy who with everything on the line wasn’t there for us.”

  83. Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:18 am
    Cashman needs to go October 29th, 2010 at 11:15 am
    If I had to contract a second team I would probably pick the Royals

    ***********************

    Or the indians just for the horrible trades they’ve made the last 3 or 4 years getting rid of sabathia, lee, martinez and a few more for basically nothing…
    —————————-

    Yeah but the Indians have been a playoff team recently. And Progressive Field is relatively new.

    I would eliminate teams that have had long stretches of just non-competative baseball

    *******************

    True but that was with sabathia, lee and martinez – at least the marlins get good players back for their fire sales..what about the nationals/expos…

  84. 108 stitches October 29th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Moving the Rays to Pittsburgh won’t accomplish a thing. The Pirates need to spend some of the Yankees luxury tax money rather than accept mediocrity year in and year out.
    The Rays won’t last much longer in the Tampa-St. Pete market and should find a way to break the lease on Tropicana Field which expires in 2027.
    The only feasable market the Rays could consider is Charlotte, N.C. Their AAA franchise is in Durham so they would have somewhat of a fanbase to start with. Get the City of Charlotte to build a new stadium and it’s the Rays only hope for a long term future.

  85. AldotheApache October 29th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Chip,

    Loria and Guillen? Are you joking?

    Loria is a huge control freak! He’s the same guy who fired Girardi when Joe won Manager of the Year. Guillen is the loose cannon sort, especially when it comes to sound bites.

    THAT arrangment would be good for a few headlines and espn lead stories!

  86. Vineyard Yankee October 29th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Joba for Gordon ? I think the question would be, would the Royals do that deal straight up ?

  87. blake October 29th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    I don’t see how the Rangers could not pitch Lee in.game 4…..and send Hunter out there against Bumgardner….

  88. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Cashman –

    You have to give the Nationals a chance. They have some really exciting young players and their new ownership is at least trying to bring in players.

    I give credit to the organizations that are trying – the ones like the Pirates who are just trying to pocket money I have no use for.

  89. RayVT October 29th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Hello Chip!

    Not bad ideas! LOL! But one problem is if you contract 1 team then you need to contract another one as well. I recommend contracting the Red Sox and keep the Pirates/Rays in AL East! LOL!

    I’d also hire a real commisioner with real powers. (Fire Bud!) I would expand all MLB rosters to 28 players with all 40 on the 40 man roster available after Sept 1.

    I would also take all fines (teams & players) and lost salaries for suspensions and direct that money to the MLB player’s pension fund.

  90. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    AldotheApache October 29th, 2010 at 11:25 am
    Chip,

    Loria and Guillen? Are you joking?

    Loria is a huge control freak! He’s the same guy who fired Girardi when Joe won Manager of the Year. Guillen is the loose cannon sort, especially when it comes to sound bites.

    THAT arrangment would be good for a few headlines and espn lead stories!
    ————————

    The rumor was that Loria is desperate to get Ozzie in the organization as a draw for when they open the new stadium.

    Some reports say that the Sox asked for Stanton, others that it was just internal conversations – either way it’s not going to happen.

  91. blake October 29th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Yes. Move the Rays to chalotte…I like it.

  92. smrnor October 29th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Hi Chad – why don’t you sign up for the mlb.com broadcast of the game – Cablevision will reimburse you the $9.95 for the subscription – that’s what I’ve done so that I can see the games if I want – although they haven’t been exactly “games” – more of a trouncing…..

  93. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Vineyard –

    I think they would.

    After some more thought though I think Cash would be the one who would back away from that deal.

    At this point you might be able to get Alex Gordon straight up for Ramiro Pena

  94. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Blake -

    Ron Washington said that he wasn’t planning on it because Cliff has never pitched on 3 days rest.

  95. blake October 29th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Everyone questioning Washington’s bullpen moves this morning….

  96. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Blake -

    It’s not Washington’s moves that were the problem, it was the results.

    That said, I still would have brought in Neftali to stop the bleeding.

  97. Bob October 29th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    does anyone think jeter and cano could flip flop positions ? heard francessa say move jeter to 3rd

  98. blake October 29th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Chip,

    I know but it’s the world series….if I ask and he tells.me he can.go then he’s getting the ball.

  99. blake October 29th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Its the results and the fact that they didn’t score a run as well.

  100. Pat M. October 29th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Can’t award home field without ample time for fans to travel and find hotels……All the logistics for the World Series requires time and prep….Too bad SJ isn’t here for input on this……Boarding my flight back to The OC…..GB ,I’m bringing back both a Pastrami & Corned Beef sandwich from Lefty O’Douls……2 inches of very lean meat on hearty Corn Rye……I think today is the Funeral Mass for Tricia’s brother, so very sad……

  101. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Bob -

    No.

    Cano is a gold glove caliber 2b – moving him weakens you at 2b and at SS where Cano would have to learn a new positiion.

    As for Francesa’s suggestion that they move Jeter to third; that also makes no sense:

    1. The weakest defensive spot on the field is Posada
    2. We have no idea if Derek can play 3b

    So what you do is this:

    1. Promote Montero to C/DH
    2. Replace Ramiro Pena with Eduardo Nunez or a veteran IF like Felipe Lopez who can play SS and 3B and let Girardi give Alex and Derek more days off.

  102. luscious grande cojones bones papelbon October 29th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    The core four were a largely a product of Gene’s marvelous works as a GM and a talent evaluator. Cashman in his tenure as a GM has shown extreme poor judgments on targeting the right pitching talents in formulating a championship caliber team. This team has an aging core that is and will be overpaid. This team will have a 200 mil payroll again in 2011 and yet in no way are 200 mil dollars of talents presented on the field.

    The problem is Cashman is poor talent evaluator who has spent most of his time trying to patch up mistakes he has made in the past with more wasted Yankee dollars. The cycle will undoubtedly continue.

  103. ac1 October 29th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    I lived in Washington when the Nats arrived. I agree, they are making an effort to draft right and bring in free agents. It will take some time, but Strasburg and Harper will be there and worth watching, as well as Zimmerman and some of the young talent they have there.

    Pittsburgh is the utter embarrassment of the league.

  104. 86w183 October 29th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Tampa Bay is the Nation’s No. 13 TV market….. Pittsburgh is No. 23 so that’s significant.

    I know the stadium isn’t good, been there several times but I was addressing the idea of contraction.

    The DH is a gimmick that needs to go away. Nine on a side, nine innings, nine strikes to retire the side. Baseball is a better game with the strategy that goes with dealing with the no. 9 spot in the order. AND it’s easier to compare pitchers from league to league.

    It would have to be a phased elimination and the only way the MLBPA would agree is with more jobs 27 or 28 on the active roster.

    I’d love to toss interleague play but if not, limit it to two series a year — one at home and one on the road.

  105. blake October 29th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Pittsburg would support a team if they would ever give the fans any hope.

  106. Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Can’t award home field without ample time for fans to travel and find hotels……

    1. They would have just as much time as they do now. MLB didn’t know who was going to play in the World Series until after the ALCS and NLCS were over.

    2. It’s no different than what they have to do between the Divisional rounds and the championship series.

    3. the NHL and NBA have no problem making it work

  107. ac1 October 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    The core four were a largely a product of Gene’s marvelous works as a GM and a talent evaluator. Cashman in his tenure as a GM has shown extreme poor judgments on targeting the right pitching talents in formulating a championship caliber team. This team has an aging core that is and will be overpaid. This team will have a 200 mil payroll again in 2011 and yet in no way are 200 mil dollars of talents presented on the field.

    __

    Do you get tired of ripping Cashman? All GMs make poor decisions. Cashman has made some good ones, and some others were the product of the Yankees no extension policy.
    1. (Had to overpay Posada to keep him)
    2. He didnt want to keep A-Rod for 300M, that was forced on him
    3. Jeter is what it is. Cashman doesnt have a choice there.
    4. He makes great mid-season trades
    5. God Swisher for nothing
    6. Knoblauch and Brosius (3 titles).
    7. Held onto Hughes

    I would say compared to others in the league, he is doing just fine.

  108. Giuseppe Franco October 29th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Interleague isn’t going away and neither is the DH.

    Hell, I’d prefer to see the DH in both leagues.

    If pitchers could hit, that would be one thing. But most can’t – and many NL pitchers can’t even lay down a decent bunt.

    It’s just a free out every nine ABs.

  109. Erin October 29th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    New Post: Yankee Stadium parking cost on the rise (again)

    :arrow:

  110. 86w183 October 29th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Baseball fans don’t travel much for the post-season. It’s overwhelmingly locals. It’s a complete non-issue.

    Maybe the Pirates can succeed. They have in the past. Moving the Rays to Charlotte is probably a good idea, but the stadium lease issue wont go away. Okaland should have moved to Sacramento years ago and I still think it’s the best place for that team with Portland the next best.

  111. 86w183 October 29th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Pitchers were much better hitters pre-DH because they hit in high school, college and the minor leagues. There are some pitchers who hit in college now, but not many. That part of the game would greatly improve if those were skills that mattered.

    I do agree that having everyone using the DH would be preferable to having the leagues with different rules, but I like the game better without contrivances.

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