Yankee Stadium parking cost on the rise (again)
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 29, 2010 
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I’ve already received one email about this, and I’m sure there will be more.
The Daily News is reporting that the company that controls the parking situation around Yankee Stadium is planning to jack up prices yet again next season, this time from $23 to $35. Valet will go from $36 to $45. This is the same group that ramped up to $40 for this year’s playoffs games.
The whole thing is a debacle. Somehow, it seems, the city of New York forgot that people use the subway around here. The article says that only 60 percent of the stadium parking is used on a regular game day, and even when the Red Sox came to town in August, the lots were far below capacity.
The Yankees have no say in this matter. Bronx Parking Development is its own entity, and it’s hoping for some help from the city government. The situation is a mess, and of course the folks who drive to the game are literally paying the price.
Absolutely horrendous – the lot I park in is ALWAYS full don’t know what they’re talking about – as a matter of fact, they closed the lot that was right next to the old stadium and then ended up re-opening it during the season so what are they talking about that the lots aren’t full……I sit in the bleachers, pay $12 for my ticket and now they want $35 for parking – I’ll be taking the train, but at these prices, they’ll soon find out that there will be TONS of empty parking lots…..the sad thing here is that the Yankees will get blamed for this….
86w183 October 29th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Tampa Bay is the Nation’s No. 13 TV market….. Pittsburgh is No. 23 so that’s significant.
I know the stadium isn’t good, been there several times but I was addressing the idea of contraction.
The DH is a gimmick that needs to go away. Nine on a side, nine innings, nine strikes to retire the side. Baseball is a better game with the strategy that goes with dealing with the no. 9 spot in the order. AND it’s easier to compare pitchers from league to league.
It would have to be a phased elimination and the only way the MLBPA would agree is with more jobs 27 or 28 on the active roster.
I’d love to toss interleague play but if not, limit it to two series a year — one at home and one on the road.
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I greatly prefer the DH to the automatic out that is the pitcher hitting. And if you are going to have DH’s in college, the minors and international leagues then it should be in the pros too.
Owners will never give up Interleague – if anything they want more of it so that they can get the Yankees and Red Sox to visit them.
As for parking – your options aren’t good – you can either find a lot further away (which is generally not a safe place to park) and then pick up the subway or go into the city and catch the subway there.
It stinks but as Chad said, there’s nothing the Yankees can do about it.
NickSwisher It’s vaca time! http://twitpic.com/31pfui
Parking is a joke in the Bronx. There are great lots in midtown close to Penn Station and the B/D. Use those.
More incentive to use the subway or metro-north which is so much easier anyway
I tend to drive in and get parking by the lots near the old Yankee Stadium (the walk over the bridge used to be one of my favorite moments when I was a kid….anticipating arriving at the entrance to the stadium).
The prices in parking make it harder and harder, as I don’t have the option to take any kind of train in from Scranton. It is what it is…but that extra cash and the rising prices of tickets isn’t making it easier for me to get to games. I’ve already dropped from 5 games a year to 2 games a year at best.
I’ll be subwaying it a lot more next season. $35?! Ridiculous. First rule of economics – if there’s too much supply, you increase demand by lowering price. Not the other way around.
Not sure how I didn’t mention this in my first post, but I agree with the statement made earlier in regards to how full the parking lots are. The ones I’ve been parking in have always been full (mind you, I did go to two Yankees/Red Sox games this year).
pinstripedscranton October 29th, 2010 at 11:55 am
I tend to drive in and get parking by the lots near the old Yankee Stadium (the walk over the bridge used to be one of my favorite moments when I was a kid….anticipating arriving at the entrance to the stadium).
The prices in parking make it harder and harder, as I don’t have the option to take any kind of train in from Scranton. It is what it is…but that extra cash and the rising prices of tickets isn’t making it easier for me to get to games. I’ve already dropped from 5 games a year to 2 games a year at best.
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You can try parking up in Westchester and taking Metro North down to the stadium – it’s a pain in the neck but you’ll probably save a few bucks.
Chip October 29th, 2010 at 11:57 am
pinstripedscranton October 29th, 2010 at 11:55 am
I tend to drive in and get parking by the lots near the old Yankee Stadium (the walk over the bridge used to be one of my favorite moments when I was a kid….anticipating arriving at the entrance to the stadium).
The prices in parking make it harder and harder, as I don’t have the option to take any kind of train in from Scranton. It is what it is…but that extra cash and the rising prices of tickets isn’t making it easier for me to get to games. I’ve already dropped from 5 games a year to 2 games a year at best.
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You can try parking up in Westchester and taking Metro North down to the stadium – it’s a pain in the neck but you’ll probably save a few bucks.
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Thanks Chip. It’s something I’ve considered in the past. I also may decide to spend Yankee game weekends at home in the Hudson Valley now and just take Metro North down….in the end it’s more money b/c of the additional travel up to home, but at least I see my family.
It’s still annoying regardless. Not all Yankee fans live in NYC and it would be nice to have more affordable parking.
It would be ideal if there were a gameday shuttle service from the Vince Lombardi Rest Area or Exit 15X on the NJ Turnpike to the Stadium.
I meet up with friends and one of us dumps our car in one of those places all the time, and I see plenty of other people doing it too. I’d gladly pay for that service rather than having to deal with the Yankee Stadium parking mafia.
Btw, how is is that one gets to park in the 161st St. garage adjacent to the Stadium?
I use to park in the lots when they charged $8.00 (about 10 years ago). Each year they would raise it about $2.00. I would still park there but this year it jumped from $19.00 to $23.00. I refuse to pay the $23.00. I take the train to weeknight games from work (I’m in the city). If my daughter is with me she drives me home as she and the b/f always bring the car and park on the street (amazingly they always find a spot). On weekends I drive but leave early so I can get a spot on the street. I also have to pay a toll since I come from Queens over the RFK Bridge. Thankfully my tickets are in the Grandstand so they only cost $20 and I buy my food and drink at the deli for less than $10. I go to about 40 games a season and can’t afford Stadium food every game. Tolls are going up too …it’s getting pretty darn expensive to go even with the $20.00 seats.
I also agree with smrnor…the lots are usually full even vs the lesser teams like KC.
Thankfully we have options like the subway….
Go Yankees 2011 !!
I threw a trade scenario out last year at the deadline and I still think it’s viable now:
Pirates get: Ivan Nova, Brandon Laird
Yankees get: Joel Hanrahan (RHP) and Lastings Milledge
86w183 October 29th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Pitchers were much better hitters pre-DH because they hit in high school, college and the minor leagues. There are some pitchers who hit in college now, but not many. That part of the game would greatly improve if those were skills that mattered.
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86w183
I don’t think so. Sure, every now and again you’d have a pitcher who could hit. But generally, you’re talking BAs of around .200 for pitchers even before the DH. Every so often you’d get a good hitting pitcher.
I remember Tom Seaver being called a good hitting pitcher. He had a 17 year BA of .154, and OBP of .219, 12 HRs and 86 RBIs; he had 121 sac hits and 4 sac flies.
Nolan Ryan? Well, he was never a good hitter. 22 NL seasons he had .110 BA, .148 OBP, 2 HRS, 36 RBIs, 65 sac hits and 2 sac flies.
Whitey Ford? .173, .256, 3 HRs, 69 RBIs over 16 seasons.
Steve Carlton, another guy I remember being told was a good hitting pitcher. .201, .223, 13HRs and 140 RBI.
I just picked random names that I came to me quickly. But the DH was put in to bolster offense because pitchers didn’t hit well even before there was a DH.
Erin,
Nick Swisher has been on vacation since the first game against Texas.
Do you get tired of ripping Cashman? All GMs make poor decisions. Cashman has made some good ones, and some others were the product of the Yankees no extension policy.
1. (Had to overpay Posada to keep him)
2. He didnt want to keep A-Rod for 300M, that was forced on him
3. Jeter is what it is. Cashman doesnt have a choice there.
4. He makes great mid-season trades
5. God Swisher for nothing
6. Knoblauch and Brosius (3 titles).
7. Held onto Hughes
I would say compared to others in the league, he is doing just fine.
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1. overpay in years for Posada to stay
2. he could have convinced Hal and Hank it’s his job.
3. he does have a choice with Jeter in terms of dollars and years (remains to be seen)
4. I can give you many mid season flops as in trading lilly & co for Weaver
5. nice move on a salary dump
6. Brosius and knoblaugh were compliment parts to an already a good team that was built by Gene Michael. Cash traded his best pitching and ss prospect for knob, the return is mediocre at best. Milton went on to produce more value for the twins than Chuck ever did with the Yankees.
7. And keeping your highly regarded 1 pitching prospect isn’t something most GMs would have done?
Igawa, Pavano, Wright, Brown,contreras, Randy Johnson, Jeff Weaver, AJ Burnett, Javy Vazquez, CHOP, Karsay, Marte are just a few example how Cashman over commits on dollars and years on over the hill veterans, unknowns , injury prone pitchers and resulted in more desperate moves that hinders payroll flexibility to this day. And that’s only on the pitching side of the ledger.
One ever wonders why the Yankees never offered arb to players of value in their FA year? It’s because Cashman overpays for those players for their fld value. Their arb dollar figures invariably exceed their fair market value. In that sense, Cashman has also cost us in opportunities lost in garnering many type A FA compensation picks.
Cashman’s cons has far outweighed his pros as a GM. Maybe with a firmer budget the world will finally see how a inadequate GM Cashman will be when he himself has pinned the Yankees into a corner with little or no payroll flexibility.
It’s constructive criticism to analyse the facts and coming up with a reasonable conclusion that Cashman has not been a good GM.
“The Yankees have no say in this matter. Bronx Parking Development is its own entity”
Is there a lease? Do the N and the Y in the landlord’s initials interlock or not?
Girardi conference call about his rehiring is at 3:00 p.m. ET today.
You know for someone like me who would have to park as close to the stadium as possible, because I can’t walk, this raise is truly unfair and they should make special arrangements for people with handicaps. Parking should be reasonable for people like me.
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Back to the old blog:
I would hate to see a 1 game play in. There are just too many things that could go wrong for any team.
I like the idea of either merging to teams into a Pittsburgh or simply moving the Rays. I happened to go to PNC. It is beautiful, and you know Pittsburgh is a good sports town. The owner of the “old Pirate” would be compensated in some way by MLB.
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I hate the fact that luxury taxes are placed on teams like the Yankees, and then the money is pocketed by the owners. That’s a sham.
I intensely dislike interleague play. To me it’s a total bore. One of the interesting things about the WS is seeing teams that don’t know each other try to beat the team they don’t see all season long. I do believe that in the upcoming season the AL East plays the NL West causing additional cross country travel. Tough on both sides.
I would like to see at least 2 more people added to the active roster. With all the pitchers teams carry the bench is lean at best (at least for the Yankees). Maybe there should be a limit on the number of pitchers a team could carry.
I would like the DH to be part of the National League since all other teams play with one in and out of MLB.
As long as teams don’t abuse the 7 day DL, I like that too.
I would like to see schedule makers have northern teams play in the south or in domes in the early going.
MLB has made successful changes over the years. They can make them again.
Chip I love ya man but I hate your trade proposals.
Laird is more valuable than Milledge and nova is more valuable than hanrahan.
Just for fun and to entertain those who want to completely blow up the Yankees:
Bring back Andy
Sign Cliff Lee
Trade Jesus Montero, Andrew Brackman and Phil Hughes for Zack Grenkie
Sign Jayson Werth
trade Nick Swisher and Brandon Laird to Arizona for Miguel Montero
Roll out:
Jeter – SS
Granderson – CF
Tex – 1b
Alex – 3b
Cano – 2b
Werth – RF
Posada – DH
Montero – C
Gardner – LF
Rotation: CC, Lee, Grenkie, Andy, AJ
So if you have the inexpensive tickets to the game and drive your car, the cost of parking could actually be more than the game ticket itself. What a racket. Of course NY is synonymous with the ‘rackets’.
Patrick -
fair enough buddy…you know I’m just trying to have some fun
If the parking lots are always full despite the rising prices then why wouldn’t the owner continue to raise the prices.
That’s smart business. Keep testing the price point and see how much people are willing to pay.
I havn’t paid for parking at the stadium in years. For $20 I’ll tell you where I Park.
SAS October 29th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
“…..I hate the fact that luxury taxes are placed on teams like the Yankees, and then the money is pocketed by the owners. That’s a sham”.
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I think you are confusing the “luxury tax” with “revenue sharing”.
This is going to be a long offseason here on the Lohud.
“Trade Jesus Montero, Andrew Brackman and Phil Hughes for Zack Grenkie”
And people think Cashman is a bad GM.
Ray—
Thanks man.
I didn’t say I would do it, but that’s probably what KC would want.
what can I tell you – it’s a friday and I’m bored – this is what you get.
Chip,
If you can figure out a way to both trade Montero for Greinke and have him in the opening day lineup at catcher then perhaps Cashman should consult you
raymagnetic
October 29th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
If the parking lots are always full despite the rising prices then why wouldn’t the owner continue to raise the prices.
That’s smart business. Keep testing the price point and see how much people are willing to pay.
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‘The whole thing is a debacle. Somehow, it seems, the city of New York forgot that people use the subway around here. The article says that only 60 percent of the stadium parking is used on a regular game day, and even when the Red Sox came to town in August, the lots were far below capacity’.
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I think you missed part of Chad’s article.
Oh nevermind….I see that you brought a second Montero into the equation. In that case…..I don’t like it.
Trading anyone for Greinke is a huge mistake. He doesn’t want to come to NY and is a head case to boot. Forget him and his ‘load of baggage’.
Chip:
Bored ? ? Try a crossword ? LOL !
The reality is that I think the Royals are going to ask for some crazy package like that for Greinke…..
Social anxiety disorder does not make someone a “headcase.”
Read a book once in awhile instead of sticking your foot in your mouth.
Try parking at Fenway. All of the close lots are $30 (or more) already.
Greinkie is said to have all the big market teams his NTC list.
Vineyard –
Crosswords bore me even more than work.
So here’s my real plan (because I know you care)
1. Let Andy go
2. Sign Cliff Lee
3. Sign Jayson Werth
4. Sign Scott Downs
5. Sign Ryan Theriot or Eric Hinske
6. Trade Swisher, Laird, Nova and Phelps to Oakland for Brett Anderson and Craig Breslow
25 man roster:
Jeter – SS
Granderson – CF
Tex – 1b
Alex – 3b
Cano – 2b
Werth – RF
Posada – C/DH
Montero – C/DH
Gardner – LF
Bench: Thames, Cervelli, Nunez, Theriot/Hinske
Rotation:
CC, Lee, Hughes, AJ, Anderson
Pen:
LHP – Logan, Breslow, Downs
RHP – Mo, Joba, Robertson, Mosley
I want to see some rotations that don’t include Lee.
Doreen:
Ok, so look at mine above and instead of Lee bring Andy back.
FYI:
Parking at Dodger Stadium is $15.
Parking at Anaheim Stadium is $8.
CC, Pettitte, Hughes, AJ, and Saunders in a trade with AZ. But realistically that isn’t going to get it done. With a shaky shaky AJ and an Andy Pettitte who probably wont be able to make all of his starts.
But that could be a somewhat vanilla look at the rotation.
Chip -
Nope.
No Lee and No Andy.
SP1 – CC
SP2 – AP
SP3 – PH
SP4 – AJ
SP5 – Joba
BU SP – Nova, Noesi
SU – Wood
CL – Mo
I want to see some rotations that don’t include Lee.
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CC
Andy
Kuroda
Hughes
AJ
FA pitchers worth to look at : Brandon Webb, Eric Bedard,Garland,Padilla,Takahashi(BP), Jorge de la Rosa, Nate Robertson(BP),Chris Young and Jeff Francis (if not offer arb)
My complaint is that there is no parking near the Stadium for people who can’t walk well and public transportation is impossible. That is me. I live no where near public transportation, but I couldn’t walk from the station in any case. Not friendly for the disabled.
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WCYC,
I miss spoke, I did mean revenue sharing.
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I don’t see the Yankees trading much away. One person traded Cano. That would be dreadful. He is a “native” Yankee and almost a super star. If we don’t get Lee, they may have to trade for a really good pitcher.
the lots they talk about “not being full” are the parking garages… no one goes in there because its a one way ticket to… a public intoxication ticket… waste of time and money.
i almost always park in the bus lot down river ave, or the lot across the street from it… but it doesn’t look like i’ll be doing that this year.
congrats bronx parking development. instead of collecting… $345 from me next season, you will get $0.
good business move.
Vineyard,
I’m responding to the folks who say the lots are always full.
Doreen:
Fine,
CC, Hughes, Anderson, AJ and Jake Westbrook
If you are a National League pitcher I would want to see a consistent ERA under 3.50 to even be considered.
Cashmoney,
Who does Kuroda pitch for?
SAS -
Agreed. If the Yankees don’t get Lee I think they will feel compelled to use Nick Swisher in a deal to help get a frontline starter.
Swisher has lots of positives: strong season, young, great OBP guy, great clubhouse guy, FA after the season so it’s a short comit.
and Brian can move him and feel comfortable about his chances on bidding for Werth
Dodgers
He is FA from the Dodgers and probably a type A as well. It would cost min of 2 years and Javy money to acquire him SAS. Sans Lee, I think he is a good option.
We go to a lot of games and we drive. We usually park in the River Ave lot next to the new stadium. I actually use the online pre-paid service more often than not. That lot is always packed. Don’t know about the other ones.
This news is not appreciated in the least bit. I’m going to have to either cut back on games next season or I’ll start trying to take the train (although that adds time to the commute).
I spent $45 each night for the playoffs to park and almost vomited. The fact that they are jacking it up this high is a disgrace.
They are taking the fun out of going to the games.
It’s really a case of how much disposable income you’re willing to flush on this team.
My accountant told me to quit going so much since it was costing me on average $300 per game with all costs included.
Adding another $10-15 sounds like a drop in the bucket until you realize all you’re getting for that money is a place to put your car. That’s it. At the very least, they should wash it for you.
They are turning the Yankee fan experience into the equivalent of going to a Broadway show, except I can still park for $25 for a show in midtown.
It might not be the Yankees fault, but I’d love to Hal, Cashman and Levine come out and bash this price raise publicly.
It’s price gouging. Aren’t there laws against that? The first politician that takes this on gets my vote.
Starting Pitchers
Bronson Arroyo CIN *
Erik Bedard SEA *
Kris Benson ARZ
Jeremy Bonderman DET
David Bush MIL
Chris Capuano MIL
Bruce Chen KC
Kevin Correia SD
Doug Davis MIL
Jorge De La Rosa COL
Justin Duchscherer OAK
Jeff Francis COL *
Freddy Garcia CWS
Jon Garland SD *
Aaron Harang CIN *
Rich Harden TEX *
Hiroki Kuroda LAD
Cliff Lee TEX
Ted Lilly LAD
Braden Looper MIL
Rodrigo Lopez ARZ
Noah Lowry SF
Kevin Millwood BAL
Brian Moehler HOU
Jamie Moyer PHI
Vicente Padilla LAD
Carl Pavano MIN
Brad Penny STL
Andy Pettitte NYY
Nate Robertson PHI
Ben Sheets OAK
Ian Snell SEA *
Jeff Suppan STL
Hisanori Takahashi NYM
Javier Vazquez NYY
Brandon Webb ARI
Jake Westbrook STL
Dontrelle Willis SF
Chris Young SD *
Maybe if Yanks don’t get Lee & Andy doesn’t come back, they try to sign Lilly & Kurado.
Okay, just read the article and what the owners of the garages are attempting to do is just silly.
Ray -
Lilly just signed a 3 year contract with the Dodgers a week ago.
The free agent pitching class is awful.
You could take a flyer on Brandon Webb coming back and being a good starter again; but that’s a long shot.
Jake Westbrook is probably the second best FA pitcher after Lee – that’s just scary. I think it’s going to be a big trade winter.
Also keep your eye on Zach Duke of the Pirates. Pitt will probably non-tender him and he’s someone I might take a look at.
I guess pitching coach will be the next on the agenda. I have heard many with knowledge of pitching mechanics said on this blog that AJ will need to retool his whole mechanics this off season. It’s hard to picture that process, if it happens, without a good pitching coach.
Along that note, who is the best pitching coach available? I Know C. Young name has been mentioned. If he is the best, I hope the Yanks will push hard for him least he goes to the RS.
I would shy away from Bedard.
He’s very talented but he’s been hurt a lot lately and he’s apparently terrible in the clubhouse.
RayVT
What are *’s for?
Chip -
What’s the story with Anderson?
He started the year in the minors? Why?
Chip -
I’d rather give Joba another shot than sign either Kuroda or Westbrook, I think.
Chip, Bedard,Young, Webb likely won’t demand big dollars. They all represent somewhat high risks but good reward moves to look at. One year deal and minor league contract is what I am thinking of if they do their due diligence. As for Westbrook, he has demonstrated he is inning eater at the min. Question is how much.
SAS –
those denote players who have options.
The parking situation is really bad, I have a 12 game package and go the the games with my hadicapped daughter as a result I have no choice but to park in the Ruppert Lot accross the street from the new stadium. The attendents there are scammers I was there for home game 2 of the ALCS and they had the section neariest the stadium blocked off as handicapped parking when I pulled up with my daughter (handicap tag on display) I was told that the section was full even though their were at least 8 spaces empty. I was directed to aisle E about 200 yards from the exit for handicap parking. 200 yards doesn’t seem far but to a handicapped person whose every step is painful it is a long way. As we near the section where we were turned away a brand new BMW 5 series pulled up and got waved right through, of course they did not have handicapp plates or tag. This is not the first time that I experienced this at that garage. I have even wrriten to the Yankees, the police, the parking authority and the Bronx Borough Council all to no avail.
What was up with Kuroda in 2009? His innings were down?
This story is ridiculous. I usually use the River Ave. Lot, across from Gate 8. I don’t know what they’re talking about, it’s always filled to capacity.
For me, I would have to take the LIRR to Penn Station, then the subway to the Stadium. And, the LIRR tickets go around $20-25 round trip, per person. And, add an hour or so to the commute, plus hanging around Penn Station, waiting for your train.
It was $45 to park for the playoffs. OK, it’s like buying a ticket for your car, but it’s the playoffs. But, to do this for the entire season, then count on raising it yet again in October.
I’ve accepted that the games are the equivalent of going to Broadway, or Lincoln Center. But, even in midtown you can find a place for less than this.
I read the DN story, and it is as described, a mess. I don’t know if the answer is to let that company go bankrupt, or what. But, this can’t go on. I’m getting gouged for parking, and mass transit isn’t so easy, either.
Doreen –
Anderson spent some time in the minors coming back from an injury. He’s healthy now though.
Cashmoney –
I think Lilly’s 3 year $33 mil contract is a good comparison for Westbrook. They’re in the same age range, pretty similar in terms of ability.
Bedard, Webb and Young will probably take 1 year deals to prove they’re healthy and have ability and go from there.
Keep the DH – it makes for way better lineups and raises the bar for the quality of pitching needed to contend in the AL. Maybe I lack an appreciation for the finer points of the game, but given a choice between a 3-run home run and the vaunted intricacies of the double switch, guess which rocks my world. Interleague play seems a little overexposed. Less is more might be the way to go, e.g. one Subway Series instead of two. That being said, GO Giants!!
Re-looked at Westbrook.
If he can give those kinds of innings – but that’s what Javy was supposed to do at the very least and one of the reasons why he was even more of a disappointment.
Is Westbrook the guy Cashman wanted a couple of years ago at the deadline? Or was it just you guys here who’ve been wanting him at the deadline in 2008 and 2009, if I recall?
Chip -
That would explain his starting in rookie ball. What was his injury, do you know?
* – player whose current contract includes 2011 option
What is a good ERA-plus?
I expect if either Cliff Lee or Andy Pettite (or both) are not on the 2011 Yankee roster, then Joba would be the #5 starter for the Yanks.
Thanks Chip, I forgot about Lilly signing!
With prices as they are, I’m more than happy to be in the Bay Area with my Extra Innings package. Save for Michael Kay, it’s a great deal.
The cost of attending a baseball game used to be on par with that of going to the movies. Now there’s no comparison. Parking alone costs nearly what 4 admissions to the movie run. That’s it for the nostalgia.
Chip, I throw Jeff Francis in that lot with Bedard, worth to look at in a incentive laden one year contract since he probably will recover better in his 2nd year.
Giving Lily’s money to Westbrook is a lot. In the worst case scenario of no Andy and Lee, he is an option to look at.
Doreen –
He had a little elbow cramp that the A’s decided to be very cautious with after he worked a lot the last year.
Chip –
I like your hypothetical roster, except for the trade where we get Grienke for Montero & Hughes. Werth would be OK, or Crawford, though I think I prefer Crawford.
We’ll see what happens …
Thanks Chip and RayVT
Around $300 a game in total costs to go to the Stadium sounds about right. The Yankees couldn’t care less about the exorbitant parking costs. If they did, you would think they could assert their influence and reach some kind of understanding with the parking garages and give some kind of discount to season ticket holders, even partial plans. But I am not holding my breath. The Yankees will do nothing, as usual. At least they haven’t increased my tickets recently…
Vincente Padilla (May be an option.)
Padilla, even though he is a Free Agent, is a decent candidate for the Dodgers to bring him back. His 2010 season is solid enough (6-5 4.07 ERA in 16 starts).
Chip -
Anderson looks interesting.
I don’t think the Yankees should try to get Greinke, and I wouldn’t want to trade Hughes & Montero for him. I’m not sure that’s where he’s at talent-wise. He did have a drop-off, plus there really is an issue of comfort level involved here. Given the pitchers that have come through NY without the issues Greinke has (and I understand that they’re under control), I would question why a person would want to put themselves into this situation (because I’m assuming Greinke has a NTC) with all the bright lights and crazy media people (
). Of course, if he would choose to waive a NTC to come to NY, one would have to assume he feels up to the task.
The fans would show him no pity, though, if he didn’t do well, and I’d hate to see that situation for a fellow human being.
**I wouldn’t want THEM to trade Hughes & Montero.
(I won’t be trading anyone, since as far as I know, I’m not on the Yankee payroll!
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Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
What was up with Kuroda in 2009? His innings were down?
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His innings in 2010 were up not down. He’s a very talented pitcher.
Greinke doesn’t want to come, so speculating about him is an exercise in futility.
I would first go for pitching and then a really good back up for Rodriguez and Jeter, then possibly a back up catcher. Our outfield is fine the way it is. IMO
His innings in 2010 were up not down. He’s a very talented pitcher.
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She was asking about 2009, in which he only pitched 117 innings. I’m assuming injury, but I’m not sure.
I don’t think Cashman is going to take a flyer on an iffy pitcher. With the FA class being pretty poor, I think the trade route is how he will go if Lee doesn’t come here.
As the cost of parking approaches the cost of a parking ticket, paying to keep your car in a parking lot starts to become pointless.
For people wo go to many games every year it might be worth paying for an old P.O.S. car as a second car, driving it in and parking it on the street.
If it’s a little old economy car from the 80′s, you could probably pay for it with the cost of parking at about 40 games. Just use it to go to the stadium. Leave your nicer car home. And, who cares if it gets broken into?
Yes, he pitched ten less games.
Why would the A’s trade Anderson…..he’s going to be cheap for awhile and he’s good. He doesn’t even hit arbitration until 2012…so to get him you’ll probably have to grossly overlay I would think
Overpay
getting grossly overlay is a tricky situation.
Kuroda had a strained side muscle at beginning of 2009, and then a bulging disc in his neck in that year’s playoffs. A healthy Kuroda would be a nice addition but he is almost 36, so…
Yes, he’s not a youngster. Would be a good one year guy as home grown pitchers develop in minors. He got hit in the head – that was scary I remember that.
See I knew I had to correct that with this crowd
I don’t think you can Kuroda on just one year offer. 2-3 is probably what he will command.
Joe from Long Island,
When I lived in LIC, I’d take the subway to the game straight from work. But my dad would meet me at the stadium and he’d park in LIC so we could ride the subway back together. It’s relatively easy to find street parking in LIC (if need be, park in the garages for $10 or less), and then $2.25/trip on the subway. The subway takes about 25 minutes to get to the stadium and then you hop on the LIE straight out to the Island.
Something to consider.
Now that I live in Jersey, I am screwed. Not only are train tickets $25/round trip, you pay at least $5 for parking, plus subway, PLUS the last train back to Jersey is before 1 am (you have to hope there are never extra innings).
Cashmoney October 29th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
I don’t think you can Kuroda on just one year offer. 2-3 is probably what he will command.
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I wouldn’t go more than 1 year on a 36 year old pitcher from the National League. Not a chance. If he went elsewhere so be it.
jacques – that’s what we call, out here, a station car. You leave it at the train station, and it’s so old and banged already such that 1) there’s little value in stealing it, 2)there’s nothing of value inside it, and 3)you couldn’t tell if it got banged up some more.
Now that I live in Jersey, I am screwed. Not only are train tickets $25/round trip, you pay at least $5 for parking, plus subway, PLUS the last train back to Jersey is before 1 am (you have to hope there are never extra innings).
Right, the NJ commute is costly and difficult. Most of the trains don’t run late (impossible to use in playoffs with the late starts), are on an hourly schedule, so if you miss one, you have an hour’s wait. And the path trains at night are few and far between. Ironically, the parking rather than the tickets might end up pricing some NJ season ticket holders out.
WCYF
You misread my question. Kuroda’s innings were down in 2009.
If Lee stays in Texas other clubs will demand exorbitant returns from Cashman for anything close to a good starter. And if Pettitte doesn’t return, it will be worse.
I wouldn’t go more than 1 year on a 36 year old pitcher from the National League. Not a chance. If he went elsewhere so be it.
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Sans Lee, I would.
Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Kurado pitched 196 innings in 2010. I expect him to re-sign with the Dodgers.
Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Kurado pitched 196 innings in 2010. I expect him to re-sign with the Dodgers.
Gotcha’ Doreen.
WCYF,
Very true….that’s why they really need at least one of those two to be there next year. Teams will ask the moon from cashman if they think they have leverage.
Joba as a starter in 2011 doesn’t sound half bad does it?
West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
If Lee stays in Texas other clubs will demand exorbitant returns from Cashman for anything close to a good starter. And if Pettitte doesn’t return, it will be worse.
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That is why we need to grow our own at least to some extent. One of the Killer B’s should be ready by 2012. Hopefully, Jose Ramirez solves his CB deficiency, and follows in that next group. We just need that infusion every couple of years to go with our FA signings, so that we are never in a Kevin Brown situation again.
yankeefeminista-
Agreed. It is so frustrating. But now when I meet my dad at the stadium, we BOTH pay parking! Luckily, I have a friend that goes to a lot of the same games as I, but it’s still costly.
I have always parked in the lots along the river, and walk over the bridge to get the stadium and they are always empty now. Walking over the bridge, though, I am very jealous of those who get to ride the Metro North. Seems so much easier!
If there is a spot open….which im hoping there isn’t…..then I think Joba should absolutely be given a chance to compete for the 5th spot…..why not?
I think Andy will come back unless it is an injury thing. & Joba is still a potential starter if we have any interest in his development.
So, thanks for answering my questions about Kuroda. I saw his age the other day. There’s a few reasons I would like them to stay away from him, but we won’t know what the situation is that they’re looking at for at least another month or so. I guess he’s a good “keep in the back of our mind” kind of guy. Sorta like Livan.
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We live in central NJ not near any train. 20 minute drive to the train in either direction. Gotta park in a lot (don’t know the cost). And do the transfer stuff. It would take all day to get to a game, too.
The last time we went we drove to Port Authority, early in the aftrnoon, had lunch in the city, my husband met us after work and we took the subway up to the Stadium. It worked out okay for us. It wasn’t prohibitively expensive. But it is a rather full day. It’s why we don’t get to the Stadium very often.
True Blake. If Lee doesn’t come here, Montero might be gone. You know that if Cashman is going after anyone decent via the trade route, the deal will start with Montero.
Kitt6Katt October 29th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
yankeefeminista-
Agreed. It is so frustrating. But now when I meet my dad at the stadium, we BOTH pay parking! Luckily, I have a friend that goes to a lot of the same games as I, but it’s still costly.
I have always parked in the lots along the river, and walk over the bridge to get the stadium and they are always empty now. Walking over the bridge, though, I am very jealous of those who get to ride the Metro North. Seems so much easier!
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We need our own version of Metro North. NJ’s train route to the Stadium is laborious and antiquated.
blake October 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
If there is a spot open….which im hoping there isn’t…..then I think Joba should absolutely be given a chance to compete for the 5th spot…..why not?
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Blake – I think the Yankees (Cashman) are intent on Joba spending this winter and all of spring training focused on a specific role.
After Hughes beat him out last year Cashman told Joba that he’s a reliever and that’s that.
I think it’s more likely that if there were an opening Nova would be given the chance to fill it.
I’m not so sure Pettitte is coming back this time. He can’t say yes every year.
Ledger_Yankees Yanks announce that Sabathia underwent surgery as scheduled today. #nyy
Kitt6Katt – thanks for the tip. Something like that might be the way to go next year. LIRR is similar to NJT – once you get to late night, or off hours like weekend, it’s once an hour. Kills you the next day.
As long as Andy comes back I think they will hold onto Montero. If Lee stays in Texas and Andy retires then Cashman may be pressured into making a move and I guess it’s possible it could involve Montrero……really hope it doesn’t come to.that.
Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
We live in central NJ not near any train. 20 minute drive to the train in either direction. Gotta park in a lot (don’t know the cost). And do the transfer stuff. It would take all day to get to a game, too.
The last time we went we drove to Port Authority, early in the aftrnoon, had lunch in the city, my husband met us after work and we took the subway up to the Stadium. It worked out okay for us. It wasn’t prohibitively expensive. But it is a rather full day. It’s why we don’t get to the Stadium very often.
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I sometimes drive to Hoboken or park on the Upper East Side on the street, but the commute from Central NJ is hellish. I at least have a train nearby. However, the time commitment is crazy.
So then if you get Kuroda, you are in the same situation with another older guy. Why is that a good idea? I understand our guys need time to get the majors. Pettitte, if we are lucky will pitchnext year. Mo, can pitch for a couple more years. CC will be getting older. Lee, if we get him, will be considered older in a couple of years. Don’t you think a younger pitcher with a future would be a better way to go even if it involves trading for one?
I was just looking at Joba’s game logs for 2008 and 2009 on Baseball-Reference.com. I usually have an issue quoting back stats, because (a) I read through them quickly, and (b) I’m still trying to understand some of them.
But, with that in mind (my shortcomings, that is), it seems to me that even when Joba was pitching well in 2008, he was more inefficient than efficient in terms of number of pitches. The number of games he went over 5 innings pitched is relatively small. I know he was on an innings limit, but it seems to me that in those short outings he threw an awful lot of pitches, as I said, even going back to 2008.
If they need him to start for them, it will be a situation where unless something changes, he’s going to be a 6-inning pitcher, max. But if it’s a quality 6, that’d be okay, I guess. I think if they have Lee, they could absorb Joba if Andy doesn’t come back and there’s no one “affordable” out there (and I mean trade-wise as well as money-wise).
But Joba only pitched 75 or so innings in 2010, so wouldn’t he definitely need some kind of work over the winter???? And wouldn’t the Yankees have to decide on that relatively quickly???? Otherwise, I don’t know.
West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
I’m not so sure Pettitte is coming back this time. He can’t say yes every year.
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True, but you can hear from the tone of Andy’s voice, the yearning in it, how badly he still wants to pitch, and how much it is in his blood. Plus his family seems to be on board with it. So, one more year!
Blake –
I can’t see Cash moving Montero in any scenario this winter.
He was willing to move him for Halladay or Lee but no pitcher of that calliber is availble to the Yankees via trade this winter.
I really think that if Cash has to make a trade for a pitcher he’ll look at Swisher as his primary chip.
Chip,
Joba had a specific role this season.and it didn’t seem to substantially help him…which do you think is more motivation, a chance to start or another bullpen role? The whole set role stuff is overrated….he struggled for the same reasons in 2010 as he did when he was starting. His role has.very little to.do with it IMO.
blake October 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
If there is a spot open….which im hoping there isn’t…..then I think Joba should absolutely be given a chance to compete for the 5th spot…..why not?
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Agree, but as the feigned competition for 5th spot and the addition of Javy showed, they really don’t see Joba as a viable starter, for a reason that has never actually been revealed.
& yes, Nova is the other possibility.
All that being said, in the games wehre Joba was efficient, he pitched very well, going 7 innings or into the 8th and giving up few runs and keeping his pitch count down. So maybe there is something there to build on, if they have to.
One question is, is there someone from SWB who may be more worth the patience at this point? I hate to put it that way, but i think that’s part of it. Also, has Joba’s stuff diminished because his mechanics have gone wacky, or is there something more organic that went awry? Or, was he just a guy who burst on the scene and burnt out quickly (it happens)?
Chip,
I don’t think either really…but if they are left out in the cold on both Andy and Lee then I could see a chance of it…..hope not. Again I don’t see a team with a pitcher the yanks would want having interest in Swisher.
yankeefeminista -
I would love for Andy to give it one more go, but my thinking is since his back and legs were bothering him during the playoffs, after he had rehabbed his groin (which took much longer to heal than he thought it would), what will his mind-set be in terms of all the work he has to put in over the winter to be in shape to pitch, and the fact that as you get older, tweaks become pulls, and things that used to go away overnight take a week to heal and things that used to take a weak to heal put you on the DL. Is that all worth it, if at the end of the day, you won’t be putting in a full season anyway? He was so frustrated by the groin injury and I imagine just as equally frustrated by his back locking up after he finally got back.
I wonder if he would pitch a partial season, like Clemens and Pedro Martinez? That might work out somehow. But the Yankees would still have to set up their rotation without him.
I don’t think Swisher has as much trade value as Yankee fans might think.
I live in Central NJ, and prefer to drive and park near the Stadium. It’s usually quicker than the train plus subway, and it avoids the crowds and heat on summer weeknights at rush hour, while allowing for a tailgate, or at least a cooler in the car with food & drink. However, I have found the parking fees increasingly prohibitive — they continue to increase as my income has plummeted. The past 2 years, with an 11-G package, I’ve used the train/subway almost exclusively; I just can’t affors to pay more for parking than for my $20-25 grandstand tix. It’s a nice night out, replaces the weekly company league softball games when I was younger and better employed, but it’s really a shame that it has to be so expensive — it’s just a ball game, and reasonable parking rates should reflect that. It’s no wonder the lots aren’t full; if the parking rates were competitive with commuter rates, folks from outside the city would take advantage of the convenience, but it’s just not worth it at that rate. Plus, I can’t imagine what they’ll charge for postseason parking if it’s $35 for regular season. Outrageous!…and again, just a real shame.
blake October 29th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Chip,
Joba had a specific role this season.and it didn’t seem to substantially help him…which do you think is more motivation, a chance to start or another bullpen role? The whole set role stuff is overrated….he struggled for the same reasons in 2010 as he did when he was starting. His role has.very little to.do with it IMO.
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Well it’s also possible that we will soon have to accept that Joba will never be what we hoped he would be when he burst upon the scene.
Swisher is a good and valuable piece for a contender….he has significantly less value to a team.trying to rebuild because he’s not that young and he’s not that cheap…..
True….but in that case he holds significantly more value as a mediocre starter than a mediocre reliever…..all im saying is that if they have an opening.then I don’t see the harm in letting him.have another go at it.
blake October 29th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Chip,
I don’t think either really…but if they are left out in the cold on both Andy and Lee then I could see a chance of it…..hope not. Again I don’t see a team with a pitcher the yanks would want having interest in Swisher.
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Well that’s where three team trades come into play…
For example (and by example I mean just that – I’m not advocating this move):
Yankees send Swisher to St. Louis
St. Louis sends prospects to Pittsburgh
Pirates send Paul Maholom to NYY
Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
All that being said, in the games wehre Joba was efficient, he pitched very well, going 7 innings or into the 8th and giving up few runs and keeping his pitch count down. So maybe there is something there to build on, if they have to.
*One question is, is there someone from SWB who may be more worth the patience at this point?* I hate to put it that way, but i think that’s part of it. Also, has Joba’s stuff diminished because his mechanics have gone wacky, or is there something more organic that went awry? Or, was he just a guy who burst on the scene and burnt out quickly (it happens)?
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Well, we are the Yankees, so we can’t “afford” to be patient with our young pitchers, so the story goes. They will likely have to make a decision again with the Killer B’s. One may end up in the pen, one will perhaps be allowed to develop and one will likely be a trade chip, assuming all three develop to their potential and actually become major leaguers, still a big if.
As for Joba, it is not as if Joba “burnt out” as a starter. In fact, the opposite, he was never allowed to *develop* as a starter, whereas if he had been on Tampa or KC, etc. perhaps he would have been given time to learn and even be returned to the minors to work on his stuff. Hard to determine what was definitively decided or not with Joba. Guess he is pigeon-holed as a reliever so long as he is a Yankee.
Chip….how does a deal like that make the yankees better?
Blake -
Maholom fills a need in the rotation, Yankees replace Swisher by signing Werth.
Blake -
again, I’m just using Maholom as an example.
The gist of what I’m saying is that if the club has a void at SP and can’t get Lee, then they can use Swisher to fill that hole and use the money earmarked for Lee to get Werth.
Someone suggested the Clemens/Martinez mid-season plan to me as as a great option for Pettitte next year as well. The reality of it happening seems remote, though. Pitching is so strange and unpredictable. How does TEX get 2 W in an ALCS from Colby Lewis, almost totally unknown and yet not some young phenom but more of an average pitcher with a sub-.500 record? No chance the Yanks attempt to get through a season with someone like that, and then he has a big hand in winning the pennant. In fact, the Yanks couldn’t take a chance like that in the AL East, but TEX was able to put it on Cruise Control in the AL West all season and then somehow managed to knock off both of the AL East clubs. Meanwhile, if ever there was a sure thing, it was Lee in G1 of the WS for TEX…that didn’t work out so well, though.
The subways are a good alternative to parking but it’s only a matter of time before the MTA / Metro Cards see another increase plus somebody has to pay for the construction of the 2nd Avenue line when it’s finished.
It keeps getting more expensive to see a game and when all is said and done, it’s not a happy ride home by either car or train if the game was a heartbreaking loss.
luscious grande cojones bones papelbon October 29th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Igawa, Pavano, Wright, Brown,contreras, Randy Johnson, Jeff Weaver, AJ Burnett, Javy Vazquez, CHOP, Karsay, Marte are just a few example how Cashman over commits on dollars and years on over the hill veterans, unknowns , injury prone pitchers and resulted in more desperate moves that hinders payroll flexibility to this day. And that’s only on the pitching side of the ledger.
One ever wonders why the Yankees never offered arb to players of value in their FA year? It’s because Cashman overpays for those players for their fld value. Their arb dollar figures invariably exceed their fair market value. In that sense, Cashman has also cost us in opportunities lost in garnering many type A FA compensation picks.
Cashman’s cons has far outweighed his pros as a GM. Maybe with a firmer budget the world will finally see how a inadequate GM Cashman will be when he himself has pinned the Yankees into a corner with little or no payroll flexibility.
It’s constructive criticism to analyse the facts and coming up with a reasonable conclusion that Cashman has not been a good GM.
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add to that he signed sidney ponson not once but TWICE, he did trade betemit for swisher in a salary dump, but he also coveted the same betemit for 2 years prior to trading for him….angel berroa anyone?, tony womack, kenny lofton, nick johnson…yes nick bleeping johnson at 5.5 million dollars while jim thome got 1 million per year, he wasn’t going to resign arod if it wasn’t for hank and hal – meanwhile if arod wasn’t on the team last year we’d be going on 11 years without a world series title (while cashman was at the helm by the way), lets also not forget the original players he was going to trade for randy johnson was robinson cano and dioner navarro – only the stupidity of the diamondbacks saved cashman the losers a$$ on that one….i can list about 25 more dumb moves but i think you all get the picture…. the best has to be he had bleeped this team up so much with his trades and signings that he had to go out and spend HALF A BILLION DOLLARS..on 3 players two years ago- one which has turned out to be a huge bust (big news there) one shows up 3 months in the summer, and the other has so far been worth the money…to his defense he’s also admitted when he got the job that player evaluation wasn’t his forte – and he has proved that he was right on that one..
Chip,..
But you’re locking yourself into a long term deal.with a player that’s older than swisher…..for a marginal upgrade of the rotation over what you already have.
Aside from 2010 when his splits were stellar, I am not liking Werth’s numbers vs. righties and his overall K rates are scary.
I remember the days my friends and I would all take separate cars and park at the stadium and meet up at the giant bat. Some of us took subways when we lived downtown.
Those days are gone. If you and your friends all take separate cars it’ll cost you 35 a head before your walk in the door.
I don’t want to sound like a grumpy old man since I still think I’m relatively young, but the price increases are turning me off to the game. I didn’t have a great year financially this year like everyone else and I’m starting to realize that going to the games and dropping major coin isn’t making as much sense as staying home and watching in HD on my plasma.
That said, I love going to games. It’s an escape and it’s entertainment.
It’s just getting to be too much financially to handle.
I was just thinking about how over a long homestand with games I want to be at what this parking increase means to me money wise.
And if it goes up to this for the regular season, the post season will easily be $60.
The Giants are one of the only teams I can think of that could have interest in Swisher because they are a contender and they could use him…….but it would take a lot more than that likely to get them to part with one of their youngsters.
yankeefeminista -
I meant more that when Joba burst on the scene – everything clicked, everything was there. Fastball, slider, two more pitches that were called “plus.”
I kind of meant burnt out altogether. That he was a supernova that burned brightly for a short time and then was ordinary. The whole situation is a head-scratcher, though.
That being said, I believe Joba was hurt by CMW’s injury in 2008. I don’t begin to understand what all was going on in 2009. I suspect we may never know the entire story. Certainly his raw talent would seem to have warranted another year. I thought if he didn’t make the rotation last spring, he could have been sent to the minor leagues to (but lower level, not AAA) to really work on whatever it is that had changed between 2007 and 2009.
He’ll always be somewhat of an enigma. And the reasons why the Yankees have handled him the way they did in the latter part of 2009 and 2010 will likewise probably remain an unanswered question.
Just to clarify, I don’t think the Yankees “ruined” Joba.
Getting to and from Yankees Stadium is a pain if you don’t live near the Subway period….and now they are making it prohibitive to park to boot. The roads. the Degan. is a dreadful road getting to the Stadium from the north, and then to have to pay a fortune is ridiculous. It isn’t as though the land that is available around the Stadium is in the middle of Manhattan with that kind of real estate value. It is very upsetting.
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Francesa just mentioned the Mets and Lee in passing. We seem to forget about the Mets. This was by no means a conversation about the Mets and Lee.
Blake,
Don’t get hung up on what I have coming back to the Yankees. I was just using that as a sample.
For all I know they could work out something where the Yankees get back a much better pitcher than Maholom.
Yes – signing Werth is comitting dollars and years to an older player, but Swisher’s a free agent at the end of this year – how much will it take to keep him? I don’t know. It could be that the Yankees don’t bring Swisher back…
There are lots of permutations.
I say just sign Lee and bring back Andy and we don’t have to worry about them
With respect to the cost of parking, it is very simple.
At 2010 parking prices, there were not enough fans driving to the Stadium to pay the debt service on the bonds that were used to finance the construction cost of the parking lots.
The bonds are an obligation of the parking lot owner. If they can’t pay the bonds, that is bad.
So their solution is to raise the price of parking. Whether that is an effective solution remains to be seen.
The real problem is that too many parking spaces were built. That is too a large degree the Yankees’ fault, as according to news articles I have read the Yanks demanded at least 9,000 parking spaces.
Chip October 29th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Trade Jesus Montero, Andrew Brackman and Phil Hughes for Zack Grenkie
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I’d think you can get a much better pitcher (or at least one that may not get the yips pitching in new york) than grienke for those 3? Josh Johnson, Verlander, Kershaw maybe? Or if you have your mind set on grienke than add one or 2 more of the better minor league arms and ask for soria in the deal as well..
Chip, that’s what I say too….it makes.things much more simple.
I love these people who are calling up to complain about the Sandy Alderson press conference, “He didn’t give us any sort of outline of a plan. Didn’t tell us what he’s going to do with the roster….”
Do people really and truly believe that the GMs and Managers are going to tell the fans and the media their internal plans for the team?
Yankees management has made it clear that Joba is no longer an option as a starter.
If the parking price is too high less fans will drive in, only those to whom money is no object will pay to park.
More people will take public transportation or attendance will drop.
If it drops they will have to adjust their ticket and parking prices, lest they be embarrassed and lose money and fans.
Could work out for the best.
Just stay home if you have a problem with it.
Life will go on, on your HDTV.
G.Love – Yeah, and the beers are cheaper at home, too. And you can pause the game while you go to the bathroom
Out of curiosity, how many games do you go to per year?
Cashman needs to go – from previous thread – no offense taken. By all means, this is a public blog, if you want to comment about Joba, Jeter, Girardi, the Great Pumpkin, or whatever you want, by all means, have at it. I was just trying to compliment another person here for starting what I thought was a different, and to me interesting, topic.
TBR won’t deal w/NYY, but I wonder if they will look into moving either Shields or Garza, for payroll considerations, with Hellickson ready to move into their rotation. Teams like TB or SF, as we can see, are able to take the time to let young starters develop; we don’t seem to have that luxury. Out of Joba, Phil, Ian, we got a #3 starter. a potential setup guy, and a trade chip; Killer B’s is the next trio — where will they be in 2 years? Other teams just take 2 or 3 of those young guys and let them take a regular turn for a couple of years, and sometimes it works out (e.g., TB & SF). It’s a bit of a tightrope, because NYY expects to be in the LCS at least on a consistent (annual) basis. Unfortunately, a lot of the high-price signings such as Brown, Contreras, Pavano, Wright, Igawa, Vazquez, Burnett, etc., have not been (anywhere near, in most cases) as successful as hoped-for.
WCYF =
Yeah, I know.
But I think with Lee and Pettitte uncertainties, it opens up the question to who takes those two open spots in the rotation? There’s not a lot on the outside, unless you want to strip the farm system, so first you turn to in-house possibilities. And Joba is still intriguing, even if it is only here on this blog.
Plus, WCYF -
I never believe everything the Yankees say for public consumption.
Wave – maybe the lot owner was counting on MTA and the suburban rails to alienate their customers even more, thus making driving to game more attractive. Right now, it’s a dead heat between the two groups for alienating people.
Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
yankeefeminista -
I meant more that when Joba burst on the scene – everything clicked, everything was there. Fastball, slider, two more pitches that were called “plus.”
I kind of meant burnt out altogether. That he was a supernova that burned brightly for a short time and then was ordinary. The whole situation is a head-scratcher, though.
That being said, I believe Joba was hurt by CMW’s injury in 2008. I don’t begin to understand what all was going on in 2009. I suspect we may never know the entire story. Certainly his raw talent would seem to have warranted another year. I thought if he didn’t make the rotation last spring, he could have been sent to the minor leagues to (but lower level, not AAA) to really work on whatever it is that had changed between 2007 and 2009.
He’ll always be somewhat of an enigma. And the reasons why the Yankees have handled him the way they did in the latter part of 2009 and 2010 will likewise probably remain an unanswered question.
Just to clarify, I don’t think the Yankees “ruined” Joba.
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Yes, I understand what you are saying and agree that based on performance you would think Joba would have gotten another shot, but he didn’t. Joba was pitching well as an SP in 2008 until he got injured vs. Texas.
I just think that, as we know, it is so much easier to pitch out of the pen, use two pitches, not worry about pitching deeper into a game where you have to repeat good mechanics. Hughes was successful out of the pen also. Same thing with Brackman in Charleston after walking everyone as an SP while being instructed to use his changeup. However, once Brackman went into the pen and was no longer throwing the change he had zero walks.
So, in Joba’s case, I don’t know if it is about deterioration as much as being about given a short window to continue his development as a starter. How many young pitchers have we seen struggle across the majors, who weren’t given up on and succeeded? So again, not sure what the thinking was. Except that we wanted to add one of Hughes/Joba, Hughes was always the choice, and there was a need in the pen, so Joba’s potential as a SP was sacrificed to that need.
Chip
October 29th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
I like your plan, lots of turnover on your new roster.
** Werth for his RH bat and defense.
** Swisher and pieces as trade chips for a quality SP.
** New bench pieces.
** New BP pieces.
** Lee is only money / FA.
Good start, hopefully in the mix of BP and Bench players we get younger and more athletic. An upgrade of Cervelli and or Thames would be nice too. Looks like Cashman has a bundle of work to do.
I don’t think a blockbuster three team deal is out of the question if Lee signs or not. The Yankees have some appealing arms and catching talent in the minors as we all know as well as any number of players on the major league roster they would also deal. I mean who is really on our “no trade list”? Only five players IMO. Sabathia, Jeter, Mo, Pettitte and A-Rod. I can even see them trading Cano if the return was equitable.
Anybody seen the prices on Broadway lately?
Obscene.
This is the model the Yanks are emulating.
Too bad it attracts lots of tourists and corporations, not real fans.
This includes me but luckily I have had my fill of games and great Stadium moments. It’s the young fan who gets shafted here and they will be deprived of these moments.
My advise, check out Stubhub, esp day of game, there will be tons of tix available.
Now getting there is another problem, esp for the family.
yankeefeminista -
You make a couple of good points.
For better or for worse, there is no wiggle room on the NY Yankees.
Doreen you are right I think. It’s always possible necessity convinces management to change their mind about Joba and they are secretive about these things, as they should be. I personally am not a Joba fan.
Joe from LI,
I share a full season plan that’s been in my family from the 80′s when I was a child. We have 4 seats. I’d say I go to between 35-45 games a year with the post season included depending on how much I have to travel for work.
I need to cut back on my games because it’s becoming too expensive for me to keep going to that many games. I’m able to write off some of it for business purposes, but not a lot of it.
The good thing is our seats are good enough that we never have trouble getting face value for games we don’t go to. We’re down on the field level in between 1b and RF (not legends seats). We also give away a lot of seats to charities and such.
Considering how the rest of my family is doing financially, if they raise ticket prices again it’s going to fall to me to keep them or let them go.
New Post- It?s official: Joe Girardi back with Yankees
Joba , in a good deal, is expendable.
Might be time to revamp the pen and get some leftys.
Doreen October 29th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
You make a couple of good points.
For better or for worse, there is no wiggle room on the NY Yankees.
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It will be interesting to see how we go forward RE: new pitching coach, and much more of an arsenal of pitching prospects than in the past, especially in late 2011 onward. Cash himself said you need to develop pitching from within. Let’s see how much he is a man of his word.:)
G. Love October 29th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Joe from LI,
I share a full season plan that’s been in my family from the 80’s when I was a child. We have 4 seats. I’d say I go to between 35-45 games a year with the post season included depending on how much I have to travel for work.
I need to cut back on my games because it’s becoming too expensive for me to keep going to that many games. I’m able to write off some of it for business purposes, but not a lot of it.
The good thing is our seats are good enough that we never have trouble getting face value for games we don’t go to. We’re down on the field level in between 1b and RF (not legends seats). We also give away a lot of seats to charities and such.
Considering how the rest of my family is doing financially, if they raise ticket prices again it’s going to fall to me to keep them or let them go.
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I have a pair of full seasons. However, in view of the costs and the difficulty getting to the Stadium now that I have moved out of Manhattan to NJ, I am thinking of downsizing, just to keep my seniority year. I can always buy the games I want to attend that are not in my plan off of Stubhub for less than I spend on the full seasons.
mick -
The difference with Broadway is that MOST of the time, you leave satisfied. You can spend more money going to a Yankee game and leave very, very upset.
But I think you’re right about the model. Yankee Stadium is a tourist destination. One more thing for out-of-towners to do on their trek to the Big Apple. I guess that’s why they now sell day-of-game tickets at Modell’s in mid-town, right?
This could be a factor regarding the dissatisfaction many have with a portion of the stadium crowd. If you’re there because it’s something to do, rather than because you really want to see the Yankees, you bring a different vibe with you. You may very well like the Yankees and be a casual fan, but it’s not the same as the people who go because they can’t stay away, no matter what the cost.
The problem with StubHub, etc., is that for many people it’s not possible to decide to go to a game on the day of the game. And it just seems so wrong that tickets get bought up with the purpose of reselling them (hopefully at profit).
Hot Stove is always warm, lots of rumors and possibilities, but I think it’s a good idea to keep in mind that NYY was in the ALCS, and they did deserve to be there — playing in the AL East, they were clearly 1 of the 2 best teams over the course of the season. Outside of the 2 NLCS teams, with their deep rotations, there’s no other MLB clubs on their level. So, the team doesn’t necessarily have to be torn apart. I believe they need to get younger, and I’d like to see Jesus become a key guy in the process. Remember that this 15-year run only got started because of the infusion of home-grown talent, allowed to develop partly because The Boss was on enforced sabbatical — Bernie, Mo, DJ, Jorge & Andy remain the cornerstones of the team, with pieces being added around them, starting w/O’Neill in the early 90′s. Maybe in a few years, there will be a core of Cano, Montero, Hughes, Joba, some other young pitcher(s) — I’d rather see the team develop that way, if possible, and I think Cash has tried that approach. I think we all know the addition of a 2nd Ace in the rotation, allowing Phil & A.J. to fill out the 3-4 spots would potentially resolve a lot of issues (so stop cussin’ at, and spittin’ on,
the neighbors!).
Doreen
True about B’Way. They want to leave you with a good taste in your mouth.
Hard to do that with sports, it’s a crapshoot, being live, there is no guarantee of the outcome.
Stubhub gets you decent price tix in advance, although day of game is always the cheapest.
Things sure have changed, lucky for me we got us when it was still a sport, not entertainment. Seems like those days are over, but we can still dream and try to beat the system if we can. There are ways, just takes some ingenuity.
lucky for me we got us when it was still a sport, not entertainment.
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should be “we got ours”
Giuseppe Franco
October 29th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Social anxiety disorder does not make someone a “headcase.”
Read a book once in awhile instead of sticking your foot in your mouth.
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FYI, Greinke has been in the league 7 years now, here is what he has done:
** Sub .500 career winning % (.472)
** Has an almost 4.00 ERA for his career (3.82)
** Gives up more than a hit per inning. (9.1)
** Made one All Star game & won the CYA.
** No appearances in the Post Season.
Call it whatever you want anxiety, depression, socially disfunctional, can’t handle pressure, (Ed Whitson, Kevin Brown ring a bell ?) a guy who has some of the major market teams (NYY among them) on his no trade list that is due $ 27 mil. over the next two years is not a good fit for the Yankees imo. Another guy to wet nurse with AJ & Joba.
How many top prospects or ML players do you think it will take to get him ? The Royals aren’t going to give him away. Keep dreaming Einstein.
Greinke had 1 outstanding season, and there are possible issues with him in the pressure packed AL East…I can’t see giving up the farm for him; maybe take a chance if he was a free agent. They didn’t pull the trigger on Halladay, Santana, Lee, Sabathia in trades — I don’t expect to see them do it for Greinke, who seems like a lesser talent than those 4 to me.
The playoff parking was an outrageous $40. The “World Series parking” slot was blank. They were all set to raise the prices to probably $50 and got burned by us not making it there. Now they are making up for it next year. Greedy rotten #@&*%$*+.