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What’s left for the Yankees?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 30, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

One week ago, Brian Cashman said re-signing Joe Girardi would be the “first order of business” this offseason. Now that it’s done, the Yankees can get to work on the rest of the list.

ALCS Yankees Ready Baseball1. Re-sign Derek Jeter
Have to get this one out of the way. It’s going to be a story as long it lingers, and it’s going to get done eventually, might as well do it quickly and move on. Chances are, it’s going to be for more money and more years than Jeter’s age and numbers suggest he’s worth. Thing is, that’s the way it works. Players like Jeter are underpaid when they first get to the big leagues, and they’re overpaid as their careers come to an end. All a team can hope for is to get equal value in the middle. When’s the last time a player a signed a 10-year deal, during which he never seemed overpaid.

2. Solidify the rotation
Obviously, this is where Cliff Lee comes into the picture. Going into the season with CC Sabathia as the No. 1, Phil Hughes as the No. 3 and A.J. Burnett as the No. 4 or 5 is a pretty good start, but it only works if the Yankees get a reliable No. 2 starter.

3. Re-sign Mariano Rivera
Because he’s not The Captain, Rivera’s free agency won’t hang over the Yankees the same way as Jeter’s. But it’s still a deal that needs to get done. It might happen before the Yankees land a starter, but I’d say it ranks third in terms of priorities.

ALCS Yankees Rangers Baseball4. Make a decision in the outfield
Brett Gardner showed a lot this season, Nick Swisher took a significant step forward and Curtis Granderson turned a corner in the second half. The Yankees have a good outfield. If they want an insanely good outfield, they could make a push for Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth. If not, they still need to find a fourth outfield who can fill-in at either corner.

5. Gauge the market for Joba Chamberlain
My friend Wally Matthews made a list like this one and included more or less this very same item. It’s not that I believe Chamberlain is finished – he’s still young with a big arm – but he’s heading for arbitration, which means he about to make real money, and it’s clear the Yankees no longer view him as a potential front-line starter. If another team does, he might be more valuable to the Yankees as a trade chip than as an eighth-inning candidate.

6. Find a pitching coach
I don’t see any reason to let any other member of the coaching staff go. I’d love to see the Yankees find a spot for Dave Miley or Butch Wynegar, who have big league experience and have done great things in Triple-A, but it’s hard to find that kind of opening. Instead, they just need to find a pitching coach. If it’s Scott Aldred, great. If it’s someone outside the organization, great. Just fill the spot and tell him to look up A.J. Burnett’s house on MapQuest.

ALCS Yankees Rangers Baseball7. Don’t lose Kerry Wood’s phone number
Chances are, Wood is going to find a job pitching the ninth inning for some other team. I’m not even sure it’ll be a bad team. A contender could easily come calling offering at least a shot at the ninth inning, which is something the Yankees can’t offer him (unless No. 3 on this list goes terribly wrong). But, just in case, I’m sure someone in the front office will hold onto Wood’s number. If he’s not available, another late-inning arm would be a good idea.

8. Big bat, small ego
For the time being, the days of a fulltime, Matsui-type DH are over. But the Yankees still need a guy who can fill that spot fairly regularly, and they need him to be OK sitting fairly often as well. If he can play the field in a pinch, all the better. It’s a role Marcus Thames played very well this season. The Yankees need to find another one of those.

9. Make minor assessments
Next season, it’s entirely possible – if not likely — the Yankees will have Ivan Nova, Andrew Brackman, David Phelps, Hector Noesi, D.J. Mitchell, Lance Pendleton, Dellin Betances, Manny Banuelos, Jeremy Bleich, Adam Warren and George Kontos jockeying for starts at Double-A or higher. That’s 11 legitimate prospects, and that’s only counting the guys who actually got as high as Double-A this year. Depth is absolutely essential when it comes to pitching, but the Yankees have such a surplus of nearly ready arms that they could prioritize and begin looking for alternatives uses, either in trades or in the bullpen. Does anyone miss Zach McAllister right now?

ALCS Rangers Yankees Baseball10. Come up with an Andy Pettitte contingency plan
One way or another, the sooner the better when it comes to Pettitte. If he wants to come back, great. Lock up a one-year deal and consider the middle or bottom half of the rotation complete. If he doesn’t want to come back, at least the Yankees know what they’re up against. Knowing Pettitte, this decision might take a while, and the Yankees need to have a Plan B either in place or in the works.

As an aside, I mentioned that Wally Matthews published a similar to-do list immediately after the ALCS loss. I read it earlier in the week, but intentionally didn’t look back at it until after I’d finished my own. The only thing I remembered about his list was that he suggested trading Chamberlain. Our lists are very similar, mostly because the Yankees offseason needs are pretty straightforward. Frankly, we’ve been talking and writing about most of this stuff since at least the middle of the season.

Also, I came up with this list before Cashman mentioned yesterday that he values a left-handed reliever as a significant priority. I don’t see it as that big of an issue. Cashman does. I’m betting the Yankees will stick with Cashman thoughts on the matter.

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85 Responses to “What’s left for the Yankees?”

  1. Ruby Tuesday October 30th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    The Red Sox win the AL East in 2011 by 9 games.

  2. Mike in Harrisburg October 30th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    I would like to see the Yankees keep the current outfield. Gardner is still inching upwards in terms of performance, and I think overall for the money you’re headed very much toward diminishing returns if you get Werth or Crawford – lots of money for marginal further improvement.

  3. BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    If thier 2010 productions are true guage of what they will deliver next year and after, Mo is more valuable to the team than Jeter. In fact, if Jeter insists on being the top of the order (1 or 2), he is detrimental to the team.

  4. raymagnetic October 30th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    “Funny thing is if Close agreed to the riginal contract, Jeter would have been better off today with another along contract like A-Rod, not same money.”

    BBFan,

    You’re aware that it was Steinbrenner and not Jeter’s agent who nixed the original deal Jeter was going to sign.

    The 7 years 118 million deal?

  5. BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    “when Derek steps to the plate for hit 3000. His achievement makes that an event.”

    It is true but is relevant for only a few games, most likely 2 to 5 games. If it is on the road, it does not affect attendance at YS.

  6. MTU October 30th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Great summary Chad.

    Just about says it all.

    Now If you would please be kind enough to provide all the answers to your bullet points above it would be much appreciated.

    :)

  7. BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    “BBFan,

    You’re aware that it was Steinbrenner and not Jeter’s agent who nixed the original deal Jeter was going to sign.

    The 7 years 118 million deal?”

    Steinbrenner never nixed that deal.
    It would have been the biggest deal in history and Goerge wanted to wait signing until Juan Ganzalez deal with Detroit for 140 mil was signed, which never happened.
    In the mean time Alex signed that historic deal for 10 years for 252 mil and Casey Close went back on the verbal agreement and re-negotiated that 10 year 189 mil deal.

  8. Tom in N.J. October 30th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    What kind of life does somebody have if they spend the better part of of a Saturday morning trolling a Yankee blog?

    Must be a really sad existence…

  9. raymagnetic October 30th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    “Steinbrenner never nixed that deal.”

    Every story I’ve ever read on the negotiations say Steinbrenner nixed the deal. Do you have a source for your version of the story?

  10. Betsy October 30th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    I guess Phil’s stock has really fallen if Feinsand and RAB have to figure out a way to trade Phil. I have my questions for sure, but I’m not spending any time figuring out a way to get rid of him………and trading Phil for David Wright is pretty stupid.

    I love Cash’s comments from the previous thread. Getting younger really is not an option on this team anyway – unless you trade Swisher or Gardner or Granderson; the rest of this lineup is set in stone.

  11. Tom in N.J. October 30th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    “Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, who backed away from a long-term commitment to Jeter last winter, then gave his permission to finalize the contract, the official said.”

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c....._jeter_ap/

  12. JobaTipsHisCap October 30th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    “Chances are, it’s going to be for more money and more years than Jeter’s age and numbers suggest he’s worth.”

    OK, sounds like $60M/4yrs to me.

  13. Vineyard Yankee October 30th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Chad, a nice to do list. It should keep Cash busy for a while.

    ** Improve the OF. I like Werth over Crawford for his RH bat and defense. Perhaps package Swisher and Joba to see what you can get.

    ** The addition of another DH type would only crowd that spot more with Posada, Jeter, ARod and Thames already there. Unless of course you can get someone who can play multiple positions and hit a bit.

    ** Getting Pettitte back would make things easier for sure and allow that list of young arms more time to develop. Lee would be a bonus.

    Sounds like changes are in the wind for the OF and the BP. Maybe a couple of those young arms will make it to the show this year. Cash has a plan and I believe his is doing a good job to improve the club each year.

    Thanks for the post of the to do list.

  14. Betsy October 30th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    #6 should be #1…………you have to find a pitching coach before you do anything else.

  15. LamJones October 30th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Two ideas I’d like to float:

    1. How about offering Jeter 19-20M for 1 year, with a 25M player option for yr2 provided he reaches certain reasonable performance bonuses (i.e., 275 avg and 360 oba)? That way, if he’s decent in year 1, he gets 25M at age 37, not too shabby for our “legacy” Yankee. More important, if he has a bad year, management feels somewhat less pressure from fans to resign him as a free agent because he will have failed to reach those modest benchmarks. Perhaps Jeter himself would see such failure as a sign that its time to exit stage right with Hip Hip Jorge?

    2. Any chance of packaging GGBG and AJ to… well… anywhere? I’d take back a bag of balls in that trade, because it would free up money for any number of moves (i.e., Carl Crawford, a good chunk of Cliff Lee’s salary, over-paying Kerry Wood, etc.).

    Just my 2 cents…

  16. BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    “Every story I’ve ever read on the negotiations say Steinbrenner nixed the deal. Do you have a source for your version of the story?”

    You can go back and check the news 10 years back.
    What I wrote was what exactly played out and reported in the media.

    Goerge did not want to sign the deal until Juan’s deal with Detroit was singed, that way he was not signing the hisory making deal.

  17. JobaTipsHisCap October 30th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Mo is far far far important than Jeter

  18. BIG AL October 30th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    There he is Bobby S.

  19. Betsy October 30th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    You can’t rush Andy, so I agree………..plan B has to be already in the works. That said, if he doesn’t make a decision by a certain point, they have to move on; they can’t let their 2nd choice dominoes fall while they wait for Andy to make up his mind.

  20. 108 stitches October 30th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Thames will get the same opportunity as last spring. A minor league contract with a chance to make the team. His fielding liabilities will see him get beaten out by Brandon Laird or possibly Greg Golson. The job of DH will be shared by Posada / Montero/ Laird.
    Eduardo Nunez will be the backup infielder with Ramiro Pena getting dealt along with Albaladejo and Russo for whatever piece Cashman deems as necessary to have.

  21. raymagnetic October 30th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    BBFan,

    The story says that Levine and Close agreed to the deal and then Steinbrenner wouldn’t sign off on it.

    So was Close supposed to accept the same contract a year later after Jeter had another good season?

    Close and Jeter agreed and Steinbrenner didn’t which is what led to the most expensive contract being signed.

  22. BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    I venture my prediction on Jeter’s contract…..
    It will be for 3 years at $15 mil/year and $5 mil for milestone of 3000 hits bringing the total to $50 mil.
    It will still be double what he can get from any other team.

  23. Betsy October 30th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Thames is not going to take a ML contract coming off of his year this year; he will get a major league contract from someone.

  24. West Coast Yankee Fan October 30th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    I’d like the Yankees to go after Crawford, he’s on a different level than Gardner IMO is and would give us a legitimate lead off hitter with power for the next 4-5 years. Gardner is not arbitration eligible until next year and he won’t be expensive after that either. You can trade him, or keep him and have a superb substitute outfielder, defensive replacement and speed merchant.

  25. BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    “So was Close supposed to accept the same contract a year later after Jeter had another good season?”

    I agree, NO.

  26. BIG AL October 30th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Redfish & Bobby CA have join us this morning.

  27. AnjaKJ October 30th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    #1 will continue to be a story long after the ink on the contract has dried, mainly in, “JETER GETS OVERPAID – AGAIN!” type stories.

  28. lordbyron October 30th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    A change of scenery would be good for both the Yankees and Joba at this point. I would like to see the Yankees trade for McCutchen of the Pirates, who will be an impact player for the next 10 years. He would be a perfect leadoff hitter/CF who would make the Yankees younger and more athletic. The Pirates may be loathe to trade McCutchen, but on that team, no-one is untouchable. They would be looking to replace McCuthchen (Gardy or Grandy will do the trick) and, more imprtantly, look for starting pitching, their real need. Joba and one of the following, Nova, Noesi, Brackman, Warren, Phelps, Bettances, Banuelos, should be attractive to the Buccos. It’s worth a try.

  29. AldotheApache October 30th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Bloggers have discussed here ad nauseum about moving Jeter out of the leadoff spot. Forgive me if I chime in with my own opinion.

    Derek Jeter has given this team his all for 15+ seasons now. He epitomizes what every baseball fan desires out of ballplayers on their team, with his hustle and reliability and baseball smarts. In short, he is one of the greatest Yankees ever.

    Derek not only symbolizes the Yankees … he is an icon in this game. Here’s some proof, if you need it – last season, when the talented shortstop Hanley Ramirez booted and kicked a popup into the LF corner and then lollygagged after the ball, in the ensuant uproar over his clear lack of hustle, the Marlins manager was quoted as saying, “They can’t all be Derek Jeter.” He was so right.

    OK, so Derek hit .270. Did anybody notice he surpassed his runs scored total from ’09, when he had a phenomenal season? If ever there was an example of the fair weather front-running fans we can be, Derek Jeter’s 2010 season and the calls to bat him in the bottom rung of the order are it.

    If Joe has seen something that causes him to talk to Derek and prep him to bat in the bottom of the order, or if he decides to do it in the event Jeter gets off to a slow start and the lineup is not working, then so be it. But I applaud Joe for sticking by one of the true Yankees warriors.

    Derek Jeter is one of the best shortstops ever to play this game. Those statistics that posters use to harp on his range as a SS, numbers don’t measure what he means to this team as its leader.

    And THAT is what Derek is … the leader of this team.

  30. AldotheApache October 30th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    BIG AL October 30th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    Redfish & Bobby CA have join us this morning.

    ————————————

    Amen to that.

    Singing the same old tunes about spending a gazillion dollars to replace the guy who bats ninth, and totally ignoring the pitching needs. That is, unless some blog or article writes about it, and tells him what to think.

  31. BIG AL October 30th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Aldo -

    Great post, I agree. As I’ve said many times, Jeter’s value to this team, exceeds his play on the field. He deserves one last top notch deal from the Yankees, and all that disagree, too bad.

  32. BIG AL October 30th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    **************** Daily News Blogs *******************

    BradCompany
    October 9, 2010 4:31 PM I thouhgt Redfish & BobbyCA were no longer going to post here. He thought the blog was beneath him. Aren’t the LoHUd posters anxiously awaiting the words of wisdom from WestCoastFan and Vineyard boy (or whatever they call themselves)?

    Not sure why they keep coming back…only to have their posts deleted.

  33. BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Yankees last year payroll was about 213 mil.
    I do not see Hal and hank authorizing more than that for 2011, may be 215 mil.
    They want to sign Lee which will cost about CC money of $24 mil.
    The main contract coming off the books is Javy’s for $11.5 mil.
    I am assuning Pettitte will resign for the same money as 2010.

    The difference has to come down from somewhere and Jeter’s and Mo’s renewals will be in play.
    Just like it happened with Pettitte a couple of years back, the Yanks will make a fair offer and tell them it may not be there later depending on what happens with Lee and others (LF releiver) in free agency. I am sure thier agents recognize what happened with Pettite and Bernie. When it comes to contract negotiations, Cash is unemotional.

  34. Vineyard Yankee October 30th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    BBFan
    October 30th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Good thought there. Perhaps they will include sometype of personal service type clause as well as he winds down his playing career ?

  35. PacoDooley October 30th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    The Yankees really missed their chance to sell high on Joba. He was coveted in several trades in the last couple of years, but is not quite that valuable right now. Several teams wanted him included in major trades (like the Santana deal they tried to swing) and they could have gotten a lot for him as part of a package for a front line star. Now I think they would feel happy to get a decent every day player that is not star caliber.

  36. blake October 30th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    I think if they sign Lee and Andy comes back then the payroll will just about have to go up….any decrease that Jeter takes will be absorbed by raises that other players receive.

  37. BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I think people are mixing two things up with respect to Jeter.

    He was a great player, no one will deny that.
    At this stage in his career he is not the same player he was the last 10 years. It is not a knock on Jeter, it is just natural players performance diminishes once they are past their prime and get older
    The team has to win and they have to do whatever is required to be competitive.
    You cannot pay an aging player $20+ mil and still have money to fill other needs.
    Yanks did that mistake with Alex and can not repeat the same as it will set the team back for many years.

    Time will tell how Yanks handle this.

  38. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 30th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    ” If it’s someone outside the organization, great. Just fill the spot and tell him to look up A.J. Burnett’s house on MapQuest.”

    You forgot “And don’t punch him in the eye”. :P

  39. Betsy October 30th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Blake, that’s true…………Hal is a smart man. Smart people don’t get where they are by being inflexible.

  40. West Coast Yankee Fan October 30th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Derek Jeter will be signed quickly as he should, his iconic stature in baseball and value to this franchise is almost immeasurable and probably irreplaceable. How and where he fits in between the lines is an entirely another story.

    It’s very easy for overly sentimental, weekend fans to sit on a blog and tear up about the majesty and aura of a player’s glory days. Fortunately. Brian Cashman won’t do that. As Chad said above, Jeter will sign for “more money and more years than Jeter’s age and numbers suggest he’s worth”.

    Whether it’s in 2011 or 2012 or later, Derek Jeter’s days playing shortstop and leading off will and should come to an end. It’s no disgrace for a player heading into late 30′s, it happens to everyone. His range in the field and bat speed have slowed and it is not going to get any better. He may have a spurt left in him for the better part of a season, call it his Indian summer. Time will tell. But no one stops father time’s inexorable march forward, not for long.

  41. Dylan October 30th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    1- I would prefer that he gets a 2 year deal, but I don’t think thats very realistic. I think that a 3 year 60 million dollar deal is more likely. Considering how much he means to this organization, I think its pretty fair as well.

    2- Lee is far and away the #1 target. If he resigns with the Rangers (or signs somewhere other than NY), I would go after a #4 type starter like Jorge De La Rosa.

    3- Mo should get a 2-year deal, and he should make the most money (per season) of all closers in baseball.

    4- I would probably just keep the outfield as it is. Swisher and Gardner are both solid players, and come at a very fair price.

    5- If we resign Wood, then we should try to trade Joba. If not, I doubt he goes anywhere. He had a horrible season, but I still think he can be an effective relief pitcher.

    6- Don’t have much of an opinion on who they hire. Hopefully they can fix Burnett though.

    7- I would love to bring Wood back, but he could probably make a lot more money somewhere else. It depends whether having a chance at winning a WS or getting a last big pay check is more important to him.

    8- Instead of finding a player like Thames, I would just resign the original Marcus Thames. He is a perfect fit with this team. He is fine sitting on the bench for games at a time, he is clutch, and he is a good pinch hitter. He would probably need to play A LITTLE bit of outfield next year though. I am more than happy with a Posada/Montero/Thames platoon at DH.

    9- I would bring up Laird to backup 1B/3B/OF, I would keep Nunez as Jeter’s backup, and I would bring up a pitcher like Brackman to help in the bullpen. I would also bring up Montero, and keep 3 catches (Montero, Posada, Cervelli) on the roster. I would consider keeping Golson as a 5th outfielder/pinch runner. I would also bring up a young arm like Brackman to help in the bullpen.

    10- I think that Pettitte will, and should come back on a one year deal, for about the same amount of money that he made this year. Despite his age, he is still a very solid pitcher.

  42. West Coast Yankee Fan October 30th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I think people are mixing two things up with respect to Jeter.

    He was a great player, no one will deny that. At this stage in his career he is not the same player he was the last 10 years. It is not a knock on Jeter, it is just natural players performance diminishes once they are past their prime and get older. The team has to win and they have to do whatever is required to be competitive. You cannot pay an aging player $20+ mil and still have money to fill other needs. Yanks did that mistake with Alex and can not repeat the same as it will set the team back for many years.

    Time will tell how Yanks handle this.

    **********

    An excellent post BBFan. Jeter deserves his contract, but the devil will be in the details. It’s length and annual value should not hurt the team’s ability to be competitive going forward. I think they will come to a meeting of the minds. I can see deferred money being a big part of this – Jeter can handle his cash flow needs in the immediate future.

  43. 108 stitches October 30th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Gauging the maket for Chamberlain will probably be done by Cashman but only Joba can show the seriousness he has for his pitching career by soon attending the performance institute in Phoenix to get in real pitching condition and dispel the trading thoughts of Cashman.
    He’ll win in arbitration as all players do but if he’s content with mediocrity then it’s time for him to go elsewhere.

  44. Betsy October 30th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    What exactly could the Yankees realistically expect for Joba? A very good starting pitcher? Hardly. A reliever? Might as well keep him. The Yankees best bet is to try and fix him………He had an ok year, but not more than that.

  45. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 30th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    I think that we take Derek Jeter for granted. Is he worth 20M/year? No. Would any other team pay him that much? Absolutely not. However, I bet if you asked the other 29 GMs if they could have Jeter or some other SS (yes, even King Andrus), they’d take Jeter.

  46. pat October 30th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    “Players like Jeter are underpaid when they first get to the big leagues, and they’re overpaid as their careers come to an end. All a team can hope for is to get equal value in the middle. ”

    That sums it up. You have to look at players contracts as dollar averaging over all contracts signed.

  47. pat October 30th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    “I bet if you asked the other 29 GMs if they could have Jeter or some other SS (yes, even King Andrus), they?d take Jeter.”

    Easy to say in theory. Tougher to do if it means inking him into their line-up for multiple years.

    Jeter has earned what he gets but his value at this point will not all show up between the lines.

  48. LamJones October 30th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    “Players like Jeter are underpaid when they first get to the big leagues, and they’re overpaid as their careers come to an end. All a team can hope for is to get equal value in the middle. ”

    Yes, but that doesn’t take into account the fact that Jeter’s contract is over. Now I’m not saying they shouldn’t sign him, but they do have the opportunity here to not saddle themselves with a burdensome contract — a luxury they don’t have with Alex, AJ and Posada (for one more year anyway).

  49. Vineyard Yankee October 30th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    IMO as Jeter winds it down on the field he will then become tha Yankee Ambassador much like Yogi is now. He will be the face of the franshise for many years to come.

    I hope he is able to win another WS or two to add to his resume along with the 3,000 hit milestone.

  50. BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    ” I bet if you asked the other 29 GMs if they could have Jeter or some other SS (yes, even King Andrus), they’d take Jeter.”

    That is true to a large extent (There are a few exceptions).
    But for how many years and at what cost?
    None of them will pay 20+ mil per year except for probably next year becuase of the publicity that comes with 3000 hits.

  51. BIG AL October 30th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Jeter will nmever play for any team except the Yankees, both sides realize this, so, the Yankees will be happy to over pay Jeter, based on his age and current numbers, knowing his real value to the team exceeds that of just being their SS.

    I do not believe what the Yankees pay Jeter will impact the plans they have for others on the team, any any FA’s they are interested in.

    Afterall, they’ve planned his needs, well before this contract expired.

  52. Laura - I Bleed Blue October 30th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    “That is true to a large extent (There are a few exceptions).
    But for how many years and at what cost?
    None of them will pay 20+ mil per year except for probably next year becuase of the publicity that comes with 3000 hits.”

    I concede that they wouldn’t pay him what the Yankees will pay him. But when you factor into the equation the type of player Jeter is…the intangibles, how he conducts himself on and off the field, I think other GMs would love to have him on their team.

    I remember when the Marlins were having problems with Hanley this season. The manager said in an interview “They can’t all be Derek Jeter”. That was very telling.

  53. BIG AL October 30th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    And yet there are quite a few here that would welcome Hanley to be our SS, even with his poor habits, and lack of discipline.

  54. 108 stitches October 30th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Mike Harkey was a Cub pal of Girardi’s from their playing days in the Windy City. Not a good fit as the pitching coach. I’d like Gil Patterson but Cashman may not so I’ll agree to Scott Aldred who comes with a good reputation.

  55. BIG AL October 30th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    108 stitches October 30th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    ************************

    Agreed, Gil Patterson is one of the finest pitchers coaches out there, and would be a great fit with all the young pitchers coming up, as well as with the vets on the team.

    However, I think Cashman will go with Aldred, given he’s already in the organization, and his work with our up and coming ST.

  56. BIG AL October 30th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Later folks

  57. randy l. October 30th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    baseball isn’t just about performance; it”s also show business. jeter with equal numbers as a no name shortstop will still put people in the seats who come just to see him. that makes him worth more than his stats.

    how much more is the question, but with a one of a kind hall of fame legacy player like jeter, it’s substantial.
    i know as a kid, the first thing i did was look at the box score to see what mantle did.
    yeah, i would have still liked the yankees without mantle, but i paid a lot more attention with mantle.

    jeter is being paid for more than his stats. he’s getting paid also because fans are going to come see jeter play.

    owners obviously like it when fans are paying attention to their team. players like mantle and jeter create lifelong fan interest which means a lifelong revenue stream for the owners.

  58. 108 stitches October 30th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Suffice to say, The Captain is not depending on his next contract to pay for his new mansion in Davis Islands, Florida.
    I can’t see him playing into his 40th year. Maybe 3 years @ 18-20 per. The crowds in his pursuit of 3,000 will go a long way in paying the contract.
    Who wouldn’t want what he’s made from Madison Avenue in commercial endorsements during his career ?

  59. Rich in NJ October 30th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    “Steinbrenner never nixed that deal.
    It would have been the biggest deal in history and Goerge wanted to wait signing until Juan Ganzalez deal with Detroit for 140 mil was signed, which never happened.
    In the mean time Alex signed that historic deal for 10 years for 252 mil and Casey Close went back on the verbal agreement and re-negotiated that 10 year 189 mil deal.”

    That’s tantamount to nixing it.

  60. Rich in NJ October 30th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    I also think it would be stupid to trade Joba before he has a chance to work with a new (competent) pitching coach.

  61. Rich in NJ October 30th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    “Yes, Hal and Hank will set the contract parameters.
    Still, it is Cash who has to negotiate. He is the one who has to deal with Casey Close.
    How Casey Close hanlded the last contract does not help either.
    Funny thing is if Close agreed to the riginal contract, Jeter would have been better off today with another along contract like A-Rod, not same money.”

    We don’t know that Cashman will be formulating the negotiating strategy or even if he will be involved. He was shut out of the A-Rod negotiations (his advice was ignored), and that could happen again if the suits decide that non-baseball considerations should trump common sense.

    Yes, a shorter deal would have been in Jeter’s best interests last time around.

  62. blake October 30th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    I think they will budget about 40 million for Jeter, Rivera, and Pettite in 2011 because that’s about how much they can afford to pay them and not have the payroll go up significantly with the addition of Lee……obviously if they could get by with less than that then great but that’s about the limit if they want to sign Cliff without raising payroll.

  63. AldotheApache October 30th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 30th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    Derek Jeter will be signed quickly as he should, his iconic stature in baseball and value to this franchise is almost immeasurable and probably irreplaceable. How and where he fits in between the lines is an entirely another story.

    It’s very easy for overly sentimental, weekend fans to sit on a blog and tear up about the majesty and aura of a player’s glory days. Fortunately. Brian Cashman won’t do that. As Chad said above, Jeter will sign for “more money and more years than Jeter’s age and numbers suggest he’s worth”.

    Whether it’s in 2011 or 2012 or later, Derek Jeter’s days playing shortstop and leading off will and should come to an end. It’s no disgrace for a player heading into late 30’s, it happens to everyone. His range in the field and bat speed have slowed and it is not going to get any better. He may have a spurt left in him for the better part of a season, call it his Indian summer. Time will tell. But no one stops father time’s inexorable march forward, not for long.

    ————————————————————-

    This is about the most idiotic response possible, saying absolutely nothing and comprehending nothing. Even aside from your usual stating of the obvious.

    Who the hell are you to ascribe emotions such as sentimentality to another blogger? There is absolutely NOTHING sentimental about loyalty and doing things with honor and the appropriate respect. It is no surprise that you fail to recognize these qualities.

    And … “As Chad said above, Jeter will sign for “more money and more years than Jeter’s age and numbers suggest he’s worth”.” OF COURSE he will!!! That is – once again – obvious to everyone. The Yankees offered Johnny Damon, a mercenery, more money than what he was worth (not according to YOU, though, remember?). Why wouldn’t they in Jeter’s case? In other words, is there ANY point to ANYTHING you’re saying?

    Finally … “Derek Jeter’s days playing shortstop and leading off will and should come to an end.” REALLY??? And here we all thought he was gonna play forever.

    The mark of a true BS artist is the use of obvious facts mixed in with the BS. Your picture should be in the dictionary next to that word, with the caption “west coast nancy / vineyard.”

  64. MG October 30th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan October 29th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
    AL and MG. Anyone with even a modicum of common sense who can read knows that we are not the same person. I suggest that you have some proof of this before you continue to pollute this blog with your lies and garbage. Vineyard is a friend of mine outside of baseball who lives in Sonoma County. We are two different people who often have different opinions on baseball.

    I have never posted here under any other screen name and I defy you to prove that I have. You are a liar.
    ———————-
    the only liar on this board is you, JE. Are you really challenging me to post your publicly available information from the Hermosa Beach Patch, who has been identified as Redfish by numerous others? Or are you continuing to deny you are you? I guess you could not be you, but then you would be….. nobody, and that’s probably a better thing. Have a great day.

  65. AldotheApache October 30th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Vineyard Yankee October 30th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    BBFan
    October 30th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Good thought there. Perhaps they will include sometype of personal service type clause as well as he winds down his playing career ?

    ——————————————————–

    This is really unbelievable. As if Jeter is hurting for money.

  66. Rich in NJ October 30th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    blake

    So you see it like this?

    Pettitte $11.75m in 2010, it’s hard to envision a cut
    Mo $15m in 2010, same applies
    Jeter $21m in 2010, $15m in 2011 should be an absolute ceiling

  67. blake October 30th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Rich,

    Jeter : 15
    Rivera: 15
    Pettite: 10-12

    However they allocate it…they need to keep the combined around 40 or less if possible unless they are willing to raise payroll. Obviously if Andy retires then that gives them some leeway but id rather him come back and hope he does.

  68. Cashmoney October 30th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    15 is fair for Jeet IMO. But I think the Yanks aren’t going to ‘lowball’ him despite his fair market value.

  69. joeman October 30th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Vineyard Yankee October 30th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Chad, a nice to do list. It should keep Cash busy for a while.

    ** Improve the OF. I like Werth over Crawford for his RH bat and defense. Perhaps package Swisher and Joba to see what you can get.–

    —————————————————————–
    I suggested that a few days ago and was told by joe franco…THERE NOT TRADING SWISHER

  70. AldotheApache October 30th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Andy should be receptive to his old deal, a base with bonuses for IP that will bring it to $10-$12 if he throws 190-200.

  71. RSM October 30th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Rich, that’s about what I was thinking.

    Here’s what I would shoot for:
    Mo $15m
    Pettitte $12.5m
    Jeter $45m over 3 years

    Ultimately, I think Jeter will get $17-18m/year for 3 years, but that’s insane.
    $15m is already generous and in-line with his stature.

  72. joeman October 30th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    # RSM October 30th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Rich, that’s about what I was thinking.

    Here’s what I would shoot for:
    Mo $15m
    Pettitte $12.5m
    Jeter $45m over 3 years

    Ultimately, I think Jeter will get $17-18m/year for 3 years, but that’s insane.
    $15m is already generous and in-line with his stature.
    ———————————————–

    Jeter better start making babies because he’ll never spend all the money he’s making playing baseball

  73. blake October 30th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    I think it will be very difficulf for Cashman to bring all 3 of those guys back, sign Lee, and keep the payroll at or under that of 2010….

  74. MTU October 30th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Blake-

    “I think it will be very difficulf for Cashman to bring all 3 of those guys back, sign Lee, and keep the payroll at or under that of 2010….”

    Maybe he won’t have to. ;)

  75. Betsy October 30th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Blake, I think flexibility is the key. As I said earlier, Hal is no dummy – he’s aware that Jeter and Mo have to be signed – and that’s going to cost some. He also knows they are going to have to spend a ton of $$$ for Lee……….

  76. Doreen October 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I just got home from White Plains (I didn’t go looking for Joe Girardi – my daughter had a volleyball game) and found there is a need for me to put donut-gate to rest!!!

    I have it on the authority of my daughter and her friends that Joe Girardi only got coffee at Dunkin’ Donuts. (We specifically asked her – before I read any of your posts, by the way – if Girardi was eating donuts.)

    We can all sleep safely tonight knowing the manager of the Yankees is not a secret donut junkie. ;)

    Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

  77. West Coast Yankee Fan October 30th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    IMO, everything is totally dependent upon the budget that Hal hands Cashman. This isn’t a year where a lot of money is coming off the books.

    Signing these long term deals is a huge burden going forward and that has to be taken into account I would think. A-Rod’s contract is a perfect example of that, as is Burnett’s, and Posada’s which was a couple of years too long.

  78. blake October 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    MTU, Betsy,

    I agree…I think the payroll is probably going up to some extent in.2011.

  79. MTU October 30th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Doreen-

    Thank you for clearing that up.

    It was right up there with the Mystery of the Sphinx.

    :)

  80. Doreen October 30th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    MTU -

    I thought it was important. :lol: :lol:

  81. MTU October 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Doreen-

    Pat was the only one who suggested that Girardi might not be secretly mainlining Donuts.

    She had faith and deserves a lot of credit.

    Me. I just figured he was human like the rest of us. ;)

  82. BoJo October 30th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    MTU October 30th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Doreen-

    Thank you for clearing that up.

    It was right up there with the Mystery of the Sphinx.
    ++++++++++++
    Are you implying the Sphinx was a donut junkie too?!?! I KNEW IT! It explains the smug look on its face (sure, you can’t see it now, the f*cking Egyptians erased the face to hide the clue.)

  83. BBFan October 30th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    “We don’t know that Cashman will be formulating the negotiating strategy or even if he will be involved. He was shut out of the A-Rod negotiations (his advice was ignored), and that could happen again if the suits decide that non-baseball considerations should trump common sense.”

    The difference is this time Hal is in-charge.
    He has shown that he would set the budget and let Cash deal with the signing the way he sees fit.
    In the case of A-Rod, Hank screwed it up.

  84. Rich in NJ October 30th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    “The difference is this time Hal is in-charge.
    He has shown that he would set the budget and let Cash deal with the signing the way he sees fit.
    In the case of A-Rod, Hank screwed it up,”

    Hal, as well as Hank, had to sign off on A-Rod’s contract.

    He is also possibly influenced by the same suits (Levine, Troast, some Goldman Sach types) that somehow thought it was a good idea to give A-Rod that ridiculous contract.

    So maybe you’re right (and I certainly hope you are), but I have to see it first.

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan October 30th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    I think George was still very much a factor when A-Rod signed his deal. At least in spirit if not practically.

    Jury is still out on Hal IMO. I don’t know what his level of commitment to winning is. He vetoed the mid-season acquisition of Dye, or was it Cameron a few years back, and he was adamant about his budget in 2009. I think the suits, Trost, Levine and Hal will come up with a number and hand it to Cashman.


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