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Young and old

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 01, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s been less than a week since the World Series started, and I’ve received more than one email from Yankees fans upset at the national media’s treatment of the Giants. The Yankees are ripped for being old. The Giants are praised for being young. Why hasn’t anyone noticed the veterans who fill that San Francisco lineup?

I think it has to do with perception and importance.

The Giants do have veterans throughout the lineup, but a lot of those are placeholders. Pat Burrell is a mid-season addition. Juan Uribe and Aubrey Huff are on one-year deals. Edgar Renteria is in the second-year of a two-year deal. The Giants are built on a rookie catcher and a homegrown rotation of 20-somethings. That’s why the team seems so young, and that’s why – in the most meaningful ways – it is young.

The Yankees are kind of the opposite. They have young players, but they’re old in key spots. Closer Mariano Rivera turns 41 this month. The face of the franchise, Derek Jeter, turned 36 this summer. Cleanup hitter Alex Rodriguez is 35 with a body that is starting to show some age, and Jorge Posada is no longer trusted to catch more than two or three games in a row.

All of that overshadows the fact Robinson Cano, Phil Hughes, Brett Gardner, Dave Robertson and Joba Chamberlain are in their 20s. Curtis Granderson, Nick Swisher, Mark Teixeira and CC Sabathia will be 30 on Opening Day. Those are nine important parts of the roster, all born in the 1980s.

The Yankees have some youth, and they have several players in their prime, but they also have significant age at significant spots. In no way are the Yankees a young team, but I think Brian Cashman might have been onto something when he said after Game 6 of the ALCS that age won’t be a huge concern this offseason.

“I don’t think it’s as big of a problem as maybe it gets portrayed,” he said. “We’ve been transitioning from an older crew to a younger crew for a period of time now. I don’t think that’s as big of an issue as some other areas that we need to get better at.”

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114 Responses to “Young and old”

  1. sunny615 November 1st, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Well, the WS Rangers looks an awful a lot like the ALCS Yankees.

    It really is who’s playing the streak and the Giants are just hotter than the ice cold Rangers right now.

  2. sunny615 November 1st, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Besides, some of the youth of the minors will spring up eventually and like they said – they ALL have to earn it. Montero, Laird, Brackman, et al. They’ll show their faces – just gotta be patient.

  3. MTU November 1st, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Well Cashman may not be too concerned about the Yankees “age spots” but I think Montero should help move the curve more in the right direction (no pun intended).

    ;)

  4. sunny615 November 1st, 2010 at 9:26 am

    I really hope Montero shows up next spring and give the Yankees something to think about. Forcing them to keep him up. That would be awesome. (Besides, anything that’ll make Mariners’ GM Jack Z choke on something is just frosting on the cake.)

    Here’s a question someone asked (I forget who – probably everyone), if getting Cliff Lee would have put the 2010 Yankees into the WS, (and possibly win #28), in retrospect, would it be work giving up Montero now – would you make that trade?

  5. MTU November 1st, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Sunny-

    All I can say is that I’ll be happier getting to keep Montero and getting Lee for Benjamins only.

    I hope that’s the way it works out.

  6. JCPD November 1st, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Seriously, why send your blood pressure through the roof over something the media says about the Yankees. Why worry about anything other than what actually happens on the field?

  7. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2010 at 9:42 am

    They have the fourth oldest at 30.3 years, group of position players in the league.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....unger.html

    sunny-

    I’m glad the Yankees hung on to Montero, because the way we played against Texas, we might have well gotten to the WS, but been beaten by the Giants shutdown pitching.

  8. JCPD November 1st, 2010 at 9:42 am

    MTU, who is this guy Benjamins you talk about, what position does he play? ;-)

  9. MTU November 1st, 2010 at 9:46 am

    JCPD-

    He plays right next to Franklin and Jackson. All three are real “money” players. Glad we have them.

    ;)

  10. blake November 1st, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Yea im actually glad they hung on to Montero as well now.. Having Lee would have made things easier but there is still no guarantee that they would have won the WS had the deal gone through….what would have been even more painful than losing in the ALCS would have been trading away Montero and still not winning the WS.

  11. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Until later. Have a great day. Hoping Lee pitches well enough tonight, but the Giants win the game. Sooner the series is over, the sooner he can become a Yankee!!!

  12. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 9:54 am

    MTU -

    All this concern about the Yankees left side of the IF. Has anyone noticed the left side of the Giants IF?

    Wine isn’t the only thing that gets better with age.

  13. MTU November 1st, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Al-

    “Whine” never gets better with age. It just gets old.

    :)

  14. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 9:56 am

    MTU -

    So true!

  15. KevinP November 1st, 2010 at 9:57 am

    I’m hoping Lee get bombed, just so he puts up 2 stinkers in the row. I also prefer he signs with Texas and wilts in the August heat next year.

  16. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 9:59 am

    I guess some folks believe in that, Cut off your nose, to dispite yourself thing.

  17. sevrox November 1st, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Not crazy about the ‘Without Lee we will fail’ mindset many Yank fans seem to exhibit.

    Some folks worry too much – got too much time on their hands – combo platter of both.

  18. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:00 am

    MTU -

    Tomorrow is your big hike, where you headed to?

  19. MTU November 1st, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Al-

    Zion NP. “The Subway”. On my way to get the permit now.

    You can look it up on the Net.

    Catch you later.

  20. Chip November 1st, 2010 at 10:04 am

    MLBTradeRumors.com yesterday had a post from Nick Cafardo that “according to sources” look for Montero to be used in part of a mega trade this winter and the Yankees to go after a “high profile catcher”

    I don’t think that’ll happen. And the only high profile catcher available is Victor Martinez.

  21. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Without a frontline pitcher, be it Lee or someone else, there is need for concern. If Andy retires, your left with CC, Hughes and a big ? with AJ. You need 5 quality starters, and you may have only 2, so yes, informed Yankees fans do have concerns as it relates to SP.

    2 combo’s to go please.

  22. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Chip -

    If the Yankees wanted to upgrade C, they could sign John Buck as an FA.

    Victor Martinez is also an FA, but, he’s not a good defensive C, but an upgrade as a hitter.

    I don’t believe in those type of rumors, it’s just Hot Stove season, and they need someting to write about.

  23. SAS November 1st, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Tomorrow is election day. Do people on here think there will be big changes. For a day, the election overtakes baseball. It has importance. However, does anything good come of the change????

  24. Mike Ri November 1st, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Victor Martinez can rake ! . but defense is suspect . I just have a gut feeling Montero is going to get traded whether we sign Lee or not ! . Seems like Romine is more polished . .and Sanchez in AA is putting up Montero like Numbers !

  25. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2010 at 10:15 am

    The yankees will move Romine before they move Montero to make room for “a high profile catcher”. There are no “high profile catchers” in baseball that’s available….unless that idiot considers Martinez a high profile catcher.

  26. JEKIKASO November 1st, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Big Al,

    glad to see you survived the storms :-)

  27. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2010 at 10:17 am

    If the go for a tire patch catcher for a year, Miguel Olivo is a better bet to sign for cheap than John Buck.

  28. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Romaine is having trouble in AFL, so he may be the one they trade.

    What would be wrong in having both Montero and Sanchez.

    If Tex continues to faulter in coming years, Montero may be converted to a 1B.

  29. Joe from Long Island November 1st, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Good morning –

    What big name catcher would the Yankees trade for? Buster Posey? I don’t think that would happen, at least from the Giants’ perspective. Joe Mauer? Ditto. They’ve got to fill that Target Field, and…. it just doesn’t make sense to me.

    I agree with posts, above. Hot Stove stuff, and nothing more.

    (Now, watch me be wrong.)

  30. Joe from Long Island November 1st, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Gary Sanchez played for the Gulf Coast team this past year.

  31. Mike Ri November 1st, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Big Al- Tex signed a 8 year no trade contract . . He’ll be at first for a Long time. If Montero can’t catch. I’m not sure where he’ll play. The DH will be Arods , Jeters , for years to come.

  32. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Olivo’s numbers are close to those of Buck, but is his D as good?

    Is Olivo an FA?

  33. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Mike Ri -

    Yes, you’re right, but, if Montero should come up and rip, they’ll have to find a place for him. Time and stats will tell, right now we’re all guessing.

  34. Mike Ri November 1st, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Big Al – I agree . Montero Romine and Sanchez . I just hope we make the right choice

  35. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Joe from Long Island November 1st, 2010 at 10:19 am
    Gary Sanchez played for the Gulf Coast team this past year

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He also spent the last 3 weeks or so with Staten Island and played in about 15 games. He had quite a season for a 17 year old.y

  36. Crawdaddy November 1st, 2010 at 10:28 am

    When did John Buck become known as a good defensive catcher?

  37. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Joe, do you watch old movies…in particular, WWII spy type movies?

  38. raymagnetic November 1st, 2010 at 10:30 am

    What sources could Nick Carfardo have with the Yankees?

    Yankees officials aren’t giving anything of substance to him.

  39. Crawdaddy November 1st, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Right, I don’t think Nick Carfardo knows much about the Yankees.

  40. blake November 1st, 2010 at 10:32 am

    I just don’t see the Yankees trading Montero unless a worst case scenerio unfolds where Lee stays in Texas and Andy retires….and even then Im hoping they don’t at this point.

    For them to trade him, I would think they would have to have the utmost confidence that either Sanchez or Romine will be able to take over in the next 3 years. If they can get a dominant starter and think Sanchez will be as good or better than Montero then I guess they could sign Buck or Martinez to a 2 or 3 year deal and go that route….but its risky and unneccessary IMO.

  41. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Olivo & Buck both made $2 mil this year, but Col. has an option on Olivo.

    For the same money, I’d prefer Buck.

  42. blake November 1st, 2010 at 10:39 am

    I think a lot of media members have convinced themselves that the Yankees will deal Montero+ more to the Royals for Greinke…..and I just don’t see that happening unless they become desperate for a starting pitcher and Cashman is pressured into making a move.

    Callis had a list on baseball america’s website of potential suitors for Greinke and listed the yankees with Montero as most likely.

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan November 1st, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Whatever the age, good pitching is what wins. The Giants with Cain, Bumgarner and Lincecum are proving that that once again.

    It’s no coincidence that the teams left standing after the regular season have arms like Lee. Cain, Lincecum, Sabathia and Halladay on their staff among others.

  44. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Joe Mauer is considered a good catcher, and he had a 26% CS, Buck had a 28% CS, so he is a better “D” catcher than we’ve had for a couple of years.

    Buck had 5 errors, Mauer had 3, Posada had a 15% CS and 8 errors, while Cervelli had a 14% CS and 13 errors.

    However catches next season, even Montero, has to put up better numbers than we got this year.

  45. elijahandstephensdad November 1st, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Hopefully next year at this time the media is talking about the grizzled old yankee vets getting off the mat one last time for a world series championship.

    We got beat by a hot team that got alot of breaks who played well. 2 of our pitchers were somewhat hurt which would not allow us to setup our rotation.

    All this piling on, saying the Yankees need a complete overhaul is insane.

  46. SAS November 1st, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Other than Lee, I don’t think the Yankee team will change that much this year. Montero or Cervelli will catch, imo. Obviously, if Andy retires they will need to replace them. I could be very wrong, but I don’t see the holes in the line up, per se. Much as we and the Yankees would like a total all star team, it’s not going to happen.

  47. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Who ever, not However …… dah

  48. West Coast Yankee Fan November 1st, 2010 at 10:50 am

    IMO, I think at this point the Yankees would trade Montero, but only for a top of the rotation pitcher, not a catcher or anyone else. You can find Montero type players through free agency and trades much easier than you can find great starters. That’s why they are so juiced on Lee, pitchers of his caliber don’t come around very often.

  49. Against All Odds November 1st, 2010 at 10:50 am

    sunny615 November 1st, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Here’s a question someone asked (I forget who – probably everyone), if getting Cliff Lee would have put the 2010 Yankees into the WS, (and possibly win #28), in retrospect, would it be work giving up Montero now – would you make that trade?

    ——————————————————————————

    I didn’t even think the Yankees had a chance to get Lee because it wasn’t a move I saw Cashman doing mid season. When I heard the trade and who was suppose to be involved I thought I don’t want to give up Montero but it’s Cliff Lee so I can live with it. But in retrospect you don’t do the trade because even though the Yankees are always in win now mode if they don’t win it’s not as if they won’t be right back next season

  50. sunny615 November 1st, 2010 at 10:52 am

    The only place for Montero is as catcher. Tex is our First Baseman, and the DH will be filled with Arods, Jeters, and Posadas. Either way, I hope he makes it and Pena can work some magic with him.

  51. Mike Ri November 1st, 2010 at 10:52 am

    The Yanks already tried to tade Montero twice . . Danny Haren and Cliff Lee .

  52. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:53 am

    I can’t believe the Yankees will go after Greinke. Other than one season, he’s been a below average pitcher, giving up more hits than innings pitched, which has nothing to do with pitching for KC.

    Also, he put the Yankees on his no trade list.

    If you’re going to go all in, so to speak, go after Verlander.

  53. SAS November 1st, 2010 at 10:53 am

    MTU,

    Hope that I didn’t miss you. Sounds like an excellent trip that you are planning. Great photos will come of it, and most important of all, have a terrific time.

  54. Chip November 1st, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Mike Ri November 1st, 2010 at 10:52 am
    The Yanks already tried to tade Montero twice . . Danny Haren and Cliff Lee .
    —————————–

    Not Haren – Halladay.

  55. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Danny Haren, is he still pitching? Some good trades, are the ones you don’t make.

  56. blake November 1st, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Don’t think they ever offered Montero for Haren…had they then they would have gotten him.

  57. Mike Ri November 1st, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Thanks Chip — Halladay and Lee

  58. sunny615 November 1st, 2010 at 10:55 am

    I don’t think Verlander is someone the Tigers would even considering trading. Same with Lincecum or Jason Johnson (he would be my #1 target).

  59. Bob November 1st, 2010 at 10:55 am

    what if the yanks traded for josh johnson and still got cliff lee ! whoa nelly

  60. Chip November 1st, 2010 at 10:56 am

    I don’t believe the Yankees will trade Montero.

    I do believe they are concerned over whether or not he can be a full time catcher; but they’re going to let him sink or swim at the major league level next year. And he can’t possibly be worse behind the plate than Posada..

  61. blake November 1st, 2010 at 10:57 am

    I doubt the Yankees could get Josh Johnson without including Cano in the deal.

  62. raymagnetic November 1st, 2010 at 10:57 am

    “You can find Montero type players through free agency and trades much easier than you can find great starters.”

    Montero profiles as a .900 OPS type of bat. Bats like those are extremely difficult to sign or trade for.

  63. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 10:57 am

    SAS -

    Mike went to get his permits for the hike.

  64. murphydog November 1st, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Pete Gammons wrote the other day that free agent V. Martinez probably not coming back to Sox b/c he wants up to 5 years on a new contract. IMO, Yanks wouldn’t give him 5 years; he’s about to turn 32 in December. And he’s looking for crazy money to be a DH and part time catcher who can’t catch. He’s coming off $15.5 mil/year. At the right price and years, however, he commands attention.

    Can’t imagine a blockbuster trade is taking shape already since nobody can even talk to Free Agents yet, but anything is possible. Might be a multi-team deal. Really don’t get the Greinke talk either. What a potentially disastrous “I-Told-You-So” situation for Cash if Zach were to go all “Ed Whitson” in pinstripes. But if Montero can help get them a front of the rotation arm, you make that deal.

  65. elijahandstephensdad November 1st, 2010 at 11:00 am

    I still think no matter what the mariners and rangers say…no way was lee ever getting traded to yanks…

    They wanted us in it to scare other teams. They would of kept stalling in order to get the justin Smoaks of the world.

    i just hope we keep Jesus and he becomes a great…and Mariner fans for years could be talking about what got away.

    Down here in DFW all my Ranger neighbors cannot believe they could of got Cano in the Arod deal back in Feb of 04.

  66. SAS November 1st, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Big Al,

    I agree. The good part is that Greinke is younger, but he doesn’t like NY, and as you said he had onlyone terrific year. It is hard to judge these guys who play on such mediocre teams. I love the idea of Verlander, but why would the Tigers even consider trading their best pitcher when they have a decent team that could possible win the Central Division next year. We don’t have the chips to trade for him, i.e. a pitcher who is slated to be a number 1.

  67. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Josh Johnson could be had for less than Cano. The Marlins will look for ready for MLB players, at low cost, with years of control.

    That would include the top Yankees SP prospects, Romaine +

    The Marlins don’t want big salary players, with rare exception.

  68. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Verlander will soon be an FA, and Detroit will be looking to dump some salary.

    He could be had for some of our top prospects that are nearing pro level.

  69. Bob November 1st, 2010 at 11:03 am

    just looked up Johnson. The guy is 6 foot 7 . Never realized it, imagine him and brackman in the rotation. cashman does like bigger pitchers.

  70. JEKIKASO November 1st, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Big Al,

    Very true. cost seems to big big motivator as to why the trade who they do,imo

  71. West Coast Yankee Fan November 1st, 2010 at 11:10 am

    I still think Cano for King Felix as the guts of a three way multi-player deal makes sense. At least here! lol

    Felix is lock up for five years at $78 million through 2014, what a steal.

  72. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Marlins are having a ton of problems with the city over the new stadium, and they may be forced to make trades they otherwise might not get into.

    Tampa Yank had a lot of info on this a while back.

  73. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Why would the Yankees give up the future face of the team, Cano, that’s getting better each year, even for King Felix?

    I don’t think it will ever happen. They’d rather give up other players and top SP prospects to land a front line pitcher. This team can win another WS without King Felix, IMO.

  74. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Later folks

  75. Erin November 1st, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Wow. I’m kind of wishing I hadn’t got on-are people seriously trying to get rid of Cano??? :x

  76. Erin November 1st, 2010 at 11:22 am

    RiverAveBlues 2011 marks the final year of the Kei Igawa Era down in Scranton.

    RiverAveBlues Per The Post: Yanks, Kevin Long agree to 3-year, $1.2M deal.

  77. Crawdaddy November 1st, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Why would Seattle trade perhaps the best young pitcher in the game?

  78. murphydog November 1st, 2010 at 11:24 am

    “Why would Seattle trade perhaps the best young pitcher in the game?”

    Because HOT STOVE MADNESS is underway.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan November 1st, 2010 at 11:28 am

    OH chill lol. It’s fun to play here with trades that will never happen.

  80. raymagnetic November 1st, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Yeah, Felix is going nowhere.

    Verlander is due to start making 20mil a year. He may be on the market but he isn’t a 20 Mil pitcher IMO.

  81. West Coast Yankee Fan November 1st, 2010 at 11:31 am

    murphydog November 1st, 2010 at 11:24 am

    “Why would Seattle trade perhaps the best young pitcher in the game?”

    **********************

    Seattle may trade him to get the best young second baseman in the game. It’s just fun to speculate. It’s a least equal value which is what is missing from most proposed deals you see.

  82. SAS November 1st, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Cano, imo, is a NO trade guy. He is the future of the Yankees, and I love him.

  83. SAS November 1st, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Trading players that are “born” Yankees is not my way of improving the team. I am not speaking of prospects, but guys like Cano don’t come along very often

  84. SAS November 1st, 2010 at 11:36 am

    See you all later.

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan November 1st, 2010 at 11:41 am

    It’s just a fun trade scenario to me not a serious one.

    Couldn’t agree more that guys like Cano don’t come along very often. Neither do 24 year old pitchers like King Felix. It’s an interesting question IMO, would the Yankees be a better or worse team with Felix instead of Cano?

  86. Mike Ri November 1st, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Trade Cano for King Felix . . move Jeter to 2nd.. Sign a free agent SS , Sign Carl Crawford . . i guess it could work out

  87. Doreen November 1st, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Off-topic.

    I finally finished titling and editing 767 photographs from our August California vacation!!!

    Now I have to decide if I want to put them in a book. That would probably mean some more culling. Well, it’s project, right?

  88. Chip November 1st, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Frankly I just hope the World Series ends tonight. The sooner it ends, the sooner free agency and trading season can begin (Free Agency now starts 5 days after the last pitch of the world series)

    I posted my list of where I think the Free Agents are going – here are my “Trades that Should Happen”

    St. Louis gets: Zach Grenkie
    KC gets: Jamie Garcia and Colby Rasmus
    Why: Grenkie wants to be traded; Tony LaRussa and Phat Albert dislike Rasmus. This is possibly the last hurrah for the Cards who need to make a major push to prove to Albert that he needs to stay. Rasmus is a very talented OF who would give the Royals a good 3-4 combo with Billy Butler.

    NY Mets get: Matt Garza and Jason Bartlett
    Tampa gets: Jose Reyes
    Why: Garza is coming up on arbitration and the Rays have young starters ready to enter the rotation. Additionally Reyes would replace the offensive production at the top of the order that they’re going to lose from Crawford’s eventual departure. The Mets need a change of culture and part of that means getting rid of players who, though talented, don’t take accountability or respond well to criticism. On the field, Garza gives the Mets a legitimate number two between Santana and Pelfrey

  89. RSM November 1st, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I wouldn’t trade Cano for anyone. He’s a franchise player, and probably the best offensive AND defensive 2nd baseman we’ll ever see in our lifetime.

  90. upstate kate November 1st, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Doreen
    I gave up on the daily life photos, but I do try to put together travel albums…that said, I still haven’t downloaded the pix from our UT spring break trip…I also have all the newspaper clippings, pictures etc from my son’s senior year of wrestling still waiting to be put into an album, and that was almost 2 years ago…its well worth the effort, but hard to find the time :)

  91. RayVT November 1st, 2010 at 11:55 am

    How crazy of a 3-way trade does this sound?

    Marlins – KC & Yanks

    Marlins five up Josh Johnson & get Greinke & Montero.

    KC gets Joba Chamberlain + Mid level prospects

    Yanks get Josh Johnson

  92. blake November 1st, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Im not sure there is a player in baseball that I would trade Cano for. When you combine talent, age, position, and contract he’s just super valuable. Felix may be the closest I would come but he’s more expensive and pitchers are always a greater injury risk.

  93. Chip November 1st, 2010 at 11:56 am

    RSM –

    I wouldn’t say I wouldn’t trade Cano for anyone – but I would certainly have to be blown away by an offer to consider trading Cano.

    Face it – in the right package anyone is available.

  94. Crawdaddy November 1st, 2010 at 11:57 am

    “Seattle may trade him to get the best young second baseman in the game. It’s just fun to speculate. It’s a least equal value which is what is missing from most proposed deals you see.”

    It’s not of equal value because if I’m Seattle, I would rather have King Felix than Cano.

  95. RayVT November 1st, 2010 at 11:57 am

    five up = give up

  96. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Doreen -

    Forget the book, put them on a DVD, that way when you want to view them, do it a big screen TV.

  97. Crawdaddy November 1st, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Also, Cano is 28 years old, two years from being 30.

  98. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 11:59 am

    If I’m the Yankees, I’d rather have Cano than King Felix.

    There, that settles it, no trade.

  99. upstate kate November 1st, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    I can see the potential MVP for the potential Cy Young in terms of value, but Robbie has the ability to contribute in every game, both offensively and defensively. Who would you replace him with?

  100. blake November 1st, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Ray….the Royals would probably need a lot more than that to do that deal….im.sure they’d want Montero.for themselves. I wouldn’t mind it on the Yanks end.

  101. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Ray -

    KC is not giving up Greinke for Joba and mid-level prospects. It would take Joba and at least 3 top prospects. Not worth it to any team.

  102. Chip November 1st, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Ray -

    I think you’re on a good track, but I can’t see it. First of all it would take more than Montero and Joba from the Yankees to get that done. Montero’s good but he’s not on the Josh Johnson, Zach Greinke level and Joba – at this point – doesn’t have the huge trade value to bridge the gap.

    How about:

    Florida gets: Brett Gardner, Jesus Montero, and Andrew LaRoche
    Pirates get: Ivan Nova and Joba Chamberlain
    Yankees get: Ryan Doumit, Josh Johnson

  103. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    RayVT -

    I’d modify your deal to be;

    The Yankees get Josh Johnson, KC gets Romaine & 3 top SP prospects and the Marlins get Greinke & Joba.

  104. Erin November 1st, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    New Post: Little connection between Hank Aaron Award and MVP

    :arrow:

  105. West Coast Yankee Fan November 1st, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    I think pitching trumps all in this game as the 2010 Giants are showing. How can one overestimate the value of having a Felix and Sabathia at the top of the rotation?

    Obviously I am just having some fun with this “never going to happen” deal. But, if the Yankees for some reason don’t get Cliff Lee. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Cashman tried to go the blockbuster route to bring in a top of the rotation starter.

  106. RayVT November 1st, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    blake November 1st, 2010 at 12:01 pm
    BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Thanks!

  107. Chip November 1st, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    actually disregard my last – it would take more going to Florida to get that done.

  108. Doreen November 1st, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Big Al -

    Problem is my husband prefers books. Well, I’ll see how I can make sense out of trip that has a zillion pictures of the Pacific Coast Highway – taken from the shotgun seat in car. Actually, many came out very, very well. :?

    upstate kate -

    Oh, I sympathize with you!

    When the kids were younger, I took pictures of everything. Not so much anymore – usually just vacations now – not even holidays anymore! We used to set up the video camera Christmas & Easter mornings. But we never watch any of it anyway. Well, the girls have, but my husband and i don’t.

    Reminds me of the time we had friends visiting and after a day of bbq-ing and swimming, the visiting husband said, “Oh, let me go out to the car and get the video of (our daughter). You have to see it, it’s so cute.” Let’s just say, we haven’t seen them since. I can get through anything, but my husband was not very diplomatic. Except for family, has anyone here ever asked friends to sit through home video?????

    ****

    I will not make it through the winter if people are STILL talking about trading Robinson Cano!!!!!!!!!

  109. blake November 1st, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Cano can impact every game and is cheaper than Felix…plus Felix already has a ton of innings in his arm for his age. Not saying I wouldn’t love to have him but its easier to find a pitcher that’s comparable to him than it is to find a middle infielder that’s comparable to Cano.

  110. The Genius Maker November 1st, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Doreen asked a question a few threads ago and Randy put out a great answer on it. Doreen’s question was, “Generally speaking, which do you believe would make a better pitching coach, a former catcher or a former pitcher?”

    Randy’s answer in a nutshell was a catcher makes a better manager and an ex pitcher would make a better pitching coach although the catcher could be good as well.

    I agree with this. i was a catcher who got drafted and then broke a disc in my back…I had a full understanding of the game and could see when a pitcher was short arming the ball, over or under striding, dropping his elbow, etc…However, the day in an day out watching of a pitcher and how he throws each pitch and how he grips each pitch and what pressures he puts on the ball with which finger on each pitch is not something I got involved with at a level of what a pitcher would get involved with. My strength was understanding, objectively, what pitch was working well for a pitcher based on velocity, movement and location and then calling the game based on what I saw from the hitter and what I think the hitter would want based on what i saw.

    The idea is that if your catcher is in sync and really calls a good game, the pitcher can concentrate on consistently hitting his release point and location and not worry about the other thought process that goes into every pitch. Too often guys like Joba shake off a catcher. This is not to say the catcher is always right, some catchers were great physical players but didn’t call a great game, but the idea is to understand your pitcher and the batter and call a good game based on the situation.

    I was confident in my calling of a game and would allow the pitchers to shake me off, but in general they didn’t very often. The one thing I always told the pitcher was that you can trust me to call the right game, but any time we have 3 balls on the batter and I call something that you are not confident in throwing a strike you must shake me off. I was fortunate to have some great awards playing, but outside of one particular game that was great, my most fond moment in all my playing days was when I went back for a 5 year reunion at college and a pitcher (one year older) on our team came up to me and said, “thanks, because of you I got drafted.” It was very cool.

    Anyway, I think a pitcher is better equipped to be a pitching coach, and they didn’t have to be a good pitcher, just one that understands “pitching.”

  111. upstate kate November 1st, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Doreen
    my son occasionally watches old videos, especially if he is entertaining a new GF

    my husband is guilty of having friends watch a video from a scenic airplane ride (provided as part of the deal). We tease him about it all the time, I can’t watch it w/o getting queasy.

  112. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Doreen -

    If your husband likes photo albums, let him do the work, that way he’ll appreciate them much, much more, lol.

  113. BIG AL November 1st, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    The Genius Maker November 1st, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    I’m not 100% sure, but I believe Dave Duncan, the great PC of St. Louis was a catcher.

  114. 86w183 November 1st, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I love make believe trade season.

    There’s no indication the Marlins are looking to move Johnson, but if they are I’d rather have him than Grienke but the cost would be huge. Think Joba, Montero and Nova or something close to that and to me that’s too much.

    I’d be surprised if the Yanks make any significant trade(s) before settling matters with Jeter, Pettite, Rivera and Cliff Lee. If all four are in pinstripes the budget will likely be all but spent.

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