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Rule 5 decisions looming for Yankees

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 02, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last winter, the Yankees added seven minor leaguers to the 40-man roster. If I had to guess, I’d say it will be closer to four or five this winter.

Of the players eligible for the Rule 5 draft, only Dellin Betances and Brandon Laird jump out as guys who absolutely need to be protected. Beyond that, each addition is likely to depend on how many roster spots come open and how highly the Yankees think of some of their lower-level players.

This post is not an attempt to list every Yankees minor leaguer who’s eligible for the Rule 5 draft. These are simply some of the names who jumped out to me as leading candidates at various positions. My friend Donnie Collins has a more comprehensive list.

ph_476454Pitchers: Wilkins Arias, Dellin Betances, Jairo Heredia, Craig Heyer, Alan Horne, George Kontos, Adam Olbrychowski, Jonathan Ortiz, Lance Pendleton, Ryan Pope, Pat Venditte, Kevin Whelan, Eric Wordekemper

Betances (right) is the no-brainer of the group. He’s a huge talent who seems to be finally healthy, and it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he could pitch his way to New York as early as next season.

Heredia is also a pretty big talent, but injuries have held him to only 39 innings above Low-A. The Yankees took a chance on getting the young and raw Ivan Nova through the Rule 5 in 2008, and that worked out. They took no such chances with Hector Noesi last year. The Yankees have to make a similar decision on Heredia this year.

Beyond Betances, the names that standout most are Arias, Pendleton and Pope. Arias is the only lefty on the list, Pendleton is coming off a nice year in Double-A (he finished in Triple-A) and Pope was invited to big league camp this spring then got an Arizona Fall League assignment this offseason. Heyer is also in the Fall League. Those Fall League assignments suggest the Yankees like the potential of Heyer and Pope, but one year ago Zach Kroenke, Grant Duff and Colin Curtis were all sent to the Fall League, but each was still left exposed to the Rule 5.

Horne and Kontos would be much more prominent in this discussion if not for injuries. Kontos is pitching again, but after a solid regular season, he’s struggling in Arizona.

ph_477186Infielders: Brandon Laird, Jose Pirela, Brad Suttle

Laird (right) was terrific this season. He can already play the infield corners, now he’s in the Fall League learning to handle the outfield. He seems like a lock.

Pirela is the biggest name of a few small-name middle infielders who are eligible. He’s never played above Class A, and the Yankees already have quite a few middle infielders on the roster. Suttle is an interesting case: A fourth-round pick who showed an impressive bat in college but missed all of 2009 with a shoulder injury. He started to hit in the second-half of this season, but I’m not sure he could actually stick on a Major League roster at this point.

ph_444859Outfielders: Abraham Almonte, Zoilo Almonte, Austin Krum, Melky Mesa, Damon Sublett

The top candidate here is Mesa (right). He can hit for power, he can run and he can throw. He also struck out 129 times in 121 games this season. And that was an improvement on last year’s 168 strikeouts. Strikeouts aside, Mesa can play center field and he brings a ton of tools. Beyond Laird, I’d say Mesa is the top position player worth a spot.

Of the other outfielders: Neither of the Almonte’s has played above Class-A, while Krum and Sublett hit below .230 in Double-A this season. Sublett and Abraham Almonte are converted infielders.

ph_468474Catchers: Jose Gil

No big names are eligible at catcher. Right or wrong, Gil (right) has been treated more like an organizational catcher than as a prospect. P.J. Pilittere will become a free agent this winter, but he’s not someone the Yankees are likely to consider adding to the roster, and he’s much better off finding a new organization.

Jesus Montero and Austin Romine are a year away from Rule 5 eligibility.

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184 Responses to “Rule 5 decisions looming for Yankees”

  1. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 11:32 am

    I don’t know enough about any of these guys to comment about them one way or the other though I would agree with Chad that guys like Laird and Betances seem like locks to be put on the 40.

    From what I’ve heard/read I would also keep Venditte, Melky Mesa and both Almontes.

    Suttle and most of the pitchers would probably slip through – if not I imagine the Yankees might be able to find replacements for anyone they lost of that group through their own Rule 5 picks or minor league free agency.

  2. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Actually – I guess you can leave the Almonte’s off – doesn’t make too much sense to have guys that low in the minors taking up space on the 40 man roster.

  3. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Hard to envision any budget issues:

    - Steinbrenner’s death in July occurred six months after the federal estate tax expired save Hal et al approximately $500 million in federal estate taxes.

    - The franchise’s value is estimated to be approaching $2 billion dollars.

    - The Yankees had the highest attendance in baseball in 2010.

    The Yankees already are vilified for their budget excesses. Last year they were at $213 million, I can’t imagine adding another $20 million or so if need be would make much of a difference financially or public relations-wise

  4. Jerkface November 2nd, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Venditte does not need to be protected.

  5. Cashman needs to go November 2nd, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Chip – since you are the resident trade evaluator here would you do:

    Phil Hughes, AJ Burnett, Nunez, Swisher for

    Matt Cain, Barry Zito (trade one sucky contract for another and hope the change of scenery does them both good), Javier Lopez

  6. 108 stitches November 2nd, 2010 at 11:44 am

    The strange case of Alan Horne. He’s never really come back from surgery. Once a highly thought of pitching prospect.
    Cashman will be making 40-man roster decisions later in the week with the top organizational people.
    Can’t do a thing about free agency moves until after Saturday.

  7. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 11:49 am

    The bigger the trade, the smaller chance of it happening. That being said, KC will listen to offers on Greinke according to their front office.

  8. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Much rather have AJ going forward than Barry Zito ….at least he still has the stuff to get guys out.

  9. Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 am

    # West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Hard to envision any budget issues:

    - Steinbrenner’s death in July occurred six months after the federal estate tax expired save Hal et al approximately $500 million in federal estate taxes.

    - The franchise’s value is estimated to be approaching $2 billion dollars.

    - The Yankees had the highest attendance in baseball in 2010.

    The Yankees already are vilified for their budget excesses. Last year they were at $213 million, I can’t imagine adding another $20 million or so if need be would make much of a difference financially or public relations-wise

    ————-

    Doesn’t make a damn bit of difference how much the Yanks are worth. It’s very easy to spend money when it’s not yours.

    The Steinbrenners have spent a lot more of their money than any other owner (or corporation) in MLB who had a net worth more than the Steinbrenners.

    It’s not our place to tell the Yanks how much of their money to spend (since the fans like to tell them they can afford it for an x amount of reasons).

  10. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Repost:

    Blake, good job on winning the pool and the $ 100. You nipped me by 2 points, you da man !

  11. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Problem is that the more money the Yankees spend….the more they help finance other teams….if they are tired of doing that then I really can’t blame them.

  12. CountryClub November 2nd, 2010 at 11:53 am

    http://minormatterstrenton.blo.....pects.html

  13. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    My guesses on Free Agent Destinations and Contracts:

    Lee – Yankees (5 years 130 mil)

    Crawford – Angels (5 years 100 mil)

    Werth – Mariners or Yankees if they trade Swisher (4 years 66 mil with an option for a 5th year at 17 mil)

    V-Mart – Detroit (4 years 45 mil)

    Dunn – Baltimore (3 years 29 mil)

    Soriano – Angels (4 years 36 mil)

    Mo – Yankees (1 year 15 mil)

    Jeter – Yankees (4 years 80 mil)

    Damon – St. Louis (1 year 6.5 mil)

    Huff – Giants (2 years 12 mil – options included)

    Westbrook – St. Louis (3 years 33 mil)

    Beltre – St. Louis (3 years 36 mil)

    Magglio – Tampa (1 year 5 mil)

    Matsui – Detroit (1 year 5 mil)

    Tejada – Boston (1 year 9 mil)

    Konerko – Dodgers (3 years 27 mil)

    Carlos Pena – Nationals (3 years 27 mil)

    Manny – Tampa (1 year 12.5 mil)

    Pavano – Twins (2 years 14 mil)

  14. Cashman needs to go November 2nd, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Much rather have AJ going forward than Barry Zito ….at least he still has the stuff to get guys out.

    **************

    Thats dangerous…but taking those 2 out of the equation (i think its a wash)…i believe cain is better than hughes (much better), nunez is a spare piece for the next 2 years and swish can be replaced by crawford or werth and you ‘ll get a LOOGY who can actually get lefthanded batters out (unlike boonie logan)…but what do i know…

  15. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Cashman needs to go November 2nd, 2010 at 11:43 am
    Chip – since you are the resident trade evaluator here would you do:

    Phil Hughes, AJ Burnett, Nunez, Swisher for

    Matt Cain, Barry Zito (trade one sucky contract for another and hope the change of scenery does them both good), Javier Lopez
    ———————–

    I agree with Blake – I would rather have AJ than Zito and while I like Cain I don’t consider him that much of an upgrade from Hughes that I would include Nunez and Swisher to get it done.

  16. CountryClub November 2nd, 2010 at 11:56 am

    It’s that time of yr; top 10 ten lists will be popping up all over the place. Here is one from Josh Norris. He’s pretty knowledgeable on the system. Nothing really surprising in his list.

    http://minormatterstrenton.blo.....pects.html

  17. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Vineyard,

    Thanks….funny thing is that I picked the Giants but actually thought the Rangers would win…

  18. RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Repost

    Grienke?s contract was for 4 yrs & $38M.

    2009 ? $3.75M
    2010 ? $7.25M
    2011 ? $13.5M
    2012 ? $13.5M

    So as you can see it jumps this year significantly to $13.5M.

    Multiple major league sources tell Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com that Zack Greinke?s contract includes a limited no-trade clause through the 2011 season. Sure to be a subject of trade talk this winter, Greinke was able to block trades to 20 teams during the 2009 and 2010 seasons. Next season (2011), that list shrinks to 15. According to Morosi, this season the clause would have allowed the Royals to trade Greinke to mostly smaller market clubs, including the Rays. Interestingly, last year?s Cy Young Award winner could have blocked deals to large market teams like the Red Sox and Yankees. Greinke, who turns 27 on Thursday, still has two years and $27 million left on his contract, but the Royals will be able to ship him wherever they want after next season.

  19. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    I think Cain is further along developmentally than Hughes but that Hughes could get to where he is….I.see a lot of simlarities between the two.

  20. CompassRosy November 2nd, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    And i cant put my finger on it, but there’s just something about Lee that rubs me the wrong way. I wont cry if he stays in Texas.

    ******
    But I’m sure, in the end, you’d likely be very happy to have him in pinstripes ;)
    As I mentioned late last night…

    http://tinyurl.com/3929m7h

    …Well, not like I know him personally or anything but, during his time here in Seattle we saw a guy who was concise in his comments but also humble and with a great sense of humor. He took responsibility when it was warranted and never assigned blame (and with that offense and that defense – he could have assigned a LOT of blame). Players and reporters alike were impressed with the leadership role he took. The young pitchers raved about his willingness to share his knowledge and experience.

    I guess all this to say that, despite his stumble in the WS, the team that ends up with Clifton Phifer will be getting a decent guy as well as an ace pitcher.

  21. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Blake, tough to pick a team when the Yanks got the rubber key. A side note, last night during the celebration out here (SF) an 80 year old lady had her purse and dog stolen. How Efin sick is that ? If caught they should just hang the guy straight away.

  22. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 am
    My guesses on Free Agent Destinations and Contracts:

    Lee – Yankees (5 years 130 mil)

    **********

    26 million per year for Cliff Lee?

  23. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    How about this one instead:

    Joba, Romine, Cervelli and Gardner to the Padres for Chase Headley, Nick Hundley and Luke Gregerson?

    Gardner becomes their everyday CF taking over for Scott Hairston
    Joba replaces Gregerson in the pen and maybe even replaces Heath Bell if they decide to move him

    Headley probably sees his hitting improve getting out of Petco
    Gregerson is a shut down reliever
    Hundley gives the Yankees a little more insurance than Cervelli if Montero really can’t catch.

  24. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 11:58 am
    Repost

    Grienke?s contract was for 4 yrs & $38M.

    2009 ? $3.75M
    2010 ? $7.25M
    2011 ? $13.5M
    2012 ? $13.5M

    So as you can see it jumps this year significantly to $13.5M.

    Multiple major league sources tell Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com that Zack Greinke?s contract includes a limited no-trade clause through the 2011 season. Sure to be a subject of trade talk this winter, Greinke was able to block trades to 20 teams during the 2009 and 2010 seasons. Next season (2011), that list shrinks to 15. According to Morosi, this season the clause would have allowed the Royals to trade Greinke to mostly smaller market clubs, including the Rays. Interestingly, last year?s Cy Young Award winner could have blocked deals to large market teams like the Red Sox and Yankees. Greinke, who turns 27 on Thursday, still has two years and $27 million left on his contract, but the Royals will be able to ship him wherever they want after next season.
    ****************

    The way that reads it sounds like Greinke could’ve blocked a trade to the Sox or Yanks in 2010 but it’s unclear if he can do that in 2011 even while it’s clear he loses all control after 2011.

  25. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Vineyard,

    That is sad and horrible.

  26. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Bret -

    Yup,

    I don’t really like it either but you have to figure that Texas is going to go into the 22-24 mil/yr area and with no state income tax the Yankees will have to go the extra couple of million to even it out.

  27. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    As Pat said, if Greinke agrees to unblock the Yankees then it will likely be because they have agreed to give him a sizable raise…..meaning they would be paying Montero+ a big contract.

  28. Erin November 2nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    blake-I just saw Fran’s announcement in the last thread-congrats!! :)

  29. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Erin,

    Thanks. :)

  30. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    The guy I would like to get (though I don’t see how to get him) would be Brandon Morrow up in Toronto.

    I was fuming when the Jays got him for Brandon League because at that price I thought Cashman should have moved on him (using Robertson). Last year was the tip of the iceberg for this kid – in a few years (maybe sooner) we’ll be talking about him the same way we talk about Josh Johnson.

  31. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    The constant talk on this blog about Greinke is absolutely crazy. Greinke has had ‘ONE’ good season, has said he doesn’t want to play for the NYY (on his no trade list) and has a social issue.

    Is there possibly another SP in the Hot Stove open for discussion ? Greinke, AJ and Joba possibly on the same team is just too funny.

  32. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Blake,

    It’s still not definitive that Greinke has the ability to block the Yankees or Sox now that 2010 is over. That link refers to him as “last year’s” CY award winner when stating he can block trades to the Sox or Yankees, so that statement applies to 2010. Morosi doesn’t seem to know if the 2011 version of the no-trade that shrinks from 20 to 15 changes the status of the Sox and Yankees. At least he doesn’t provide any definitive statement about the 5 new teams that Greinke can be traded to without a block.

  33. RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Chip

    My guesses on Free Agent Destinations and Contracts:

    Lee ? Yankees (6 years $145M)

    Del a Rosa – Cards (3 years – $12M)

    Crawford ? Angels (5 years $100M)

    Werth ? Red Sox (5 years $100M)

    V-Mart ? Red Sox (4 years $60M)

    Dunn ? Wash (3 years $33M)

    Soriano ? Angels (4 years $40M)

    Mo ? Yankees (1 year $15M) See my post above for deferred monies

    Jeter ? Yankees (4 years $80M) See my post above for deferred monies

    Damon ? Tigers (1 year $6.5M)

    Huff ? Giants (2 years $12M ? options included)

    Westbrook ? St. Louis (3 years $27M)

    Beltre ? Twins (3 years $36M)

    Magglio ? Oakland (1 year $7.5M)

    Matsui ? Oakland (1 year $6M)

    Tejada ? Boston (1 year $9M)

    Konerko ? CWS (3 years $27M)

    Carlos Pena ? Tampa (1 years $12M)

    Manny ? CWS (1 year $12.5M)

    Pavano ? Twins (2 years $15M)

  34. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Chip,

    Morrow does have a special arm. The mariners pulled the plug way too soon on him as a starter.

  35. 108 stitches November 2nd, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Tell ya what Chip, you’re the modern day Frank “Trader” Lane. He would have traded his mother if he thought he was getting a deal.
    Brian Cashman’s Assistant GM (Jean Afterman) doesn’t feel that her job is threatened.

  36. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    Chip

    My guesses on Free Agent Destinations and Contracts:

    Lee ? Yankees (6 years $145M)

    ****************

    24+ million through age 39?

  37. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Brett,

    I can just about guarantee you that the Yankees are one of the 15….its good business to have leverage over a big market team if they decided they wanted to trade for you.

  38. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Vineyard:

    My personal trade targets are:
    Brett Anderson (A’s)
    Brandon Morrow (Jays)
    Hong Chi Kuo or Chad Billingsly (Dodgers)

  39. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Blake,

    Still, I haven’t seen a situation where a player can use a no-trade to force an absurd extension. The last one was Randy Johnson but those days are over.

    What did Berkman get out of his no-trade?

    What did Oswalt get out of his?

    The most a player can hope for is a couple million up front or the buyout money on the last option year up front if one exists.

  40. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Doesn’t make a damn bit of difference how much the Yanks are worth. It’s very easy to spend money when it’s not yours.

    The Steinbrenners have spent a lot more of their money than any other owner (or corporation) in MLB who had a net worth more than the Steinbrenners.

    It’s not our place to tell the Yanks how much of their money to spend (since the fans like to tell them they can afford it for an x amount of reasons).

    =================

    If Hal and Hank decide to spend the dollars and increase their payroll which will increase the amount of dollars they will pay to the smaller market teams so be it.

    There is alot of contracts to be dealt with (Jeter, Mo, Andy) as well as FA offers to be made. The Yankees aren’t going to sitting on their hands this winter and not artempting to improve the team.

  41. RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Very true. He can block 15 teams. By block, it may mean he is just open to renegotiating his contract if sent to these teams. That is just good business!

    I think he isn’t a fit in NY, and would only consider trading for him as a means to get someone else from a team he allows himself to be traded like Marlins or Dodgers perhaps in a 3 way trade.

  42. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    108 -

    I don’t want Jean’s job – I want Brian’s!

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Doesn’t make a damn bit of difference how much the Yanks are worth. It’s very easy to spend money when it’s not yours. The Steinbrenners have spent a lot more of their money than any other owner (or corporation) in MLB who had a net worth more than the Steinbrenners. It’s not our place to tell the Yanks how much of their money to spend (since the fans like to tell them they can afford it for an x amount of reasons).

    ****************

    It makes lots of difference. Do you think the Yankees would have signed the free agents that they have if the team wasn’t worth a lot?

    The owners rarely put their own money into the operational budget of a franchise. That comes out of team revenues.

    It is my place as a fan on a sports blog to say anything I want. Just as it is yours.

  44. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Somebody posted a Grienke quote in here where he says he’s fine but probably wouldn’t want to play for a team like Boston or the Yanks.

    And I don’t believe S.A.D. is simply a “fear of being in a social situation”

    Just because a guy has overcome a fear of heights it doesn’t mean he should stand on the ledge of a skyscraper.

  45. RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    I think it will take 6 years to get him and he reminds me of Jimmy Key whom I wished had pitched another year or two. I think he will age well as a lefty pitching in Yankee stadium.

  46. Jerkface November 2nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Berkman had the Yankees guarantee they wouldn’t pick up his option.

  47. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    I think Lee gets 5/115…I don’t see any team other than the Yankees giving him 6 years and I think Cash holds firm and gets him for the highest 5 year offer.

  48. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    No quote exists where Greinke states he doesn’t “want” or wouldn’t “want” to play for a team like Boston or the Yanks.

    I’d still like to know the 15 teams where he can be traded without a block and regardless of a block, I still feel it doesn’t force an absurd extension.

    Absurd money is a long term contract to a 20 million + for a 33 year old who experienced a rough patch with nagging back issues requiring a cortisone shot.

    Lee’s agent openly is using Jamie Moyer as a comp. Moyer was under contract through age 45. Some team will bite and secure Lee through age 40 which is a 7 year deal and STILL will have 5 years to spare on the Moyer comp.

  49. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    RayVT

    The issue I have with Lee is the back – I’m not going to compare him to David Wells but we all saw how back problems for Boomer got worse as he got older.

  50. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Blake,

    The Nationals already floated 5 years 125 million – for openers, dude. OPENERS.

  51. pat November 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    “And I don?t believe S.A.D. is simply a ?fear of being in a social situation?”

    SAD is Seasonal Affective Disorder and has little to do with social situations.

  52. raymagnetic November 2nd, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Chip,

    Do you trade Brett Gardner even in your dreams? Not a day goes by where you aren’t trying to trade the poor guy.

  53. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Bret,

    I can’t believe that after being so close to the title two years in a row that Lee would go to Washington to toil in 3rd place in the division.

  54. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Brett,

    Putting something like that in a contract just gives you an opportunity to have leverage….doesn’t mean you will get anything out of it, but if the Yankees want you and you can control whether or not they can trade for you…..then there is a chance you can benefit from that.

  55. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    I have seasonal affective disorder. It’s a vitamin D deficiency linked to genetic inefficiencies in Vitamin D regulation.

    I’ve studied vitamin D’s role in Serotonin production and I can tell you that it’s easy (and cheap) to eliminate my seasonal depression.

  56. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Brett,

    Wouldn’t that be tampering at this point? I don’t think anything like that is confirmed.

  57. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    raymagnetic November 2nd, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    Chip,

    Do you trade Brett Gardner even in your dreams? Not a day goes by where you aren’t trying to trade the poor guy.
    —————————-

    Hahaha -

    the way I look at it there are a few players on this team who have trade value; is not untouchable; and can be replaced – Gardner and Swisher are two of them.

    If I can include Gardner in a package that gets me other useful players and then replace Gardner (either via trade or free agency) I’m willing to do it.

  58. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Blake,

    No it’s not tampering because the Nationals didn’t mention Lee by name. They only said that they’re willing to overpay for pitching and would be willing to offer an ace pitcher 125 for 5.

  59. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    ** I think you can always deal with the A’s as far as a trade goes and they have a bunch of young pitchers. Question as aways is how much will Beane try to squeeze out of you.

    ** Morrow coming from the Blue Jays is a longshot as that is an AL East rival. If that would happen we certianly would have to overpay to get him.

    ** Billingsley is intriguing and has alot of upside imo being only 26 and having a winning % of .590 so far in his career. The McCourt saga probably would contibute to the Dodgers dealing him, he made $ 3.85 mil. last year and is arb. eligible this year and probably will get $ 8 to $ 10 milllion.

  60. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Brett,

    I haven’t seen that report but I don’t see Lee being interested in Washington. We’ll see…

  61. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    “Zack Greinke has until after the World Series to notify the Royals about the 8-10 teams on his no-trade list, reports Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star”.

  62. Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    # Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    If Hal and Hank decide to spend the dollars and increase their payroll which will increase the amount of dollars they will pay to the smaller market teams so be it.

    There is alot of contracts to be dealt with (Jeter, Mo, Andy) as well as FA offers to be made. The Yankees aren’t going to sitting on their hands this winter and not artempting to improve the team.

    ——–

    That’s exactly right. It’s the Steinbrenner’s team and they decide how much they will spend.

    My point was that we have no right to tell them how (or how much) to spend considering they’ve spent more than anyone else for years regardless of their net worth compared to other franchises.

  63. RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    I understand Chip and even agree in some ways about back issues. I look at Lee as an Andy Pettite type really who knows his body and is a machine. He knows how to pitch in pain and what his limits are. He works out & conditions himself well. I would not have an issue of a 6 year contract, LOL, but it isn’t my money!

  64. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Bret The Hitman
    November 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Blake,

    The Nationals already floated 5 years 125 million – for openers, dude. OPENERS.

    ==============

    Just curious with the WS ending last night and the FA period not yet open season how could they ‘float’ that offer out there without getting hit with a tampering charge / fine ?

  65. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    That’s exactly right. It’s the Steinbrenner’s team and they decide how much they will spend.

    My point was that we have no right to tell them how (or how much) to spend considering they’ve spent more than anyone else for years regardless of their net worth compared to other franchises.

    **********

    Well then, let’s not give our opinions on trades and lineups or anything else either right?

  66. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Blake,

    Lee is interested in $$$$. That is all. His wife has already baited the Yankees and are using us as a price driver or at the very least trying to squeeze more money.

    He’s a free agent.

    I don’t think he has any loyalties accept to his money grubbing wife.

    Kris Benson’d

  67. Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Doesn’t make a damn bit of difference how much the Yanks are worth. It’s very easy to spend money when it’s not yours. The Steinbrenners have spent a lot more of their money than any other owner (or corporation) in MLB who had a net worth more than the Steinbrenners. It’s not our place to tell the Yanks how much of their money to spend (since the fans like to tell them they can afford it for an x amount of reasons).

    ****************

    It is my place as a fan on a sports blog to say anything I want. Just as it is yours.

    ————

    It’s isn’t your right to make any statement you want without being challenged, which it appears time and time again that’s what you want.

  68. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Vineyard,

    No it’s not tampering because the Nationals didn’t mention Lee by name. They only said that they’re willing to overpay for pitching and would be willing to offer an ace pitcher 125 for 5.

    Now surely you don’t think Cliff Lee and his agent are wondering if the Nationals were sending a message to Javier Vazquez, Ted Lilly or any of the other scrub starters out there on the market?

  69. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    You can feel free to challenge anything on the merits, just not to tell a blogger it’s not their right to communicate their opinion.

  70. RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Also Nova, DRob, Joba & Cervelli have trade value. I don’t expect them to trade Gardner as he is cheap. Not sure about Swish though, but I expect him to stay unless Werth is signed or a stud RF is gotten via a trade.

  71. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Vineyard:

    Well I think in any case you’re going to have to overpay. Young, cost controlled pitching is always hard to trade for.

    In the cases of Morrow and Billingsly both are up for arbitration so that could slightly work in the Yankees’ factor. Also, while he didn’t send Halladay to the Yankees, Anthopolus did talk to Cashman about him – so they’re not totally against dealing within the division.

    I think a viable trade with the Dodgers would be:

    LA gets: Laird, Nova, Brackman, Swish or Gardner
    NYY gets: Billingsly and Theriot

  72. randy l. November 2nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    blake-

    i saw your earlier comment about how cb and i had a different opinion last about whether the yankees should sign lee or not, yet we had a good conversation about it.

    i think that the blog is at it’s best when there’s a difference of opinion about an important issue. there are always upsides and downsides to any decision, so there should be opposing views on almost any issue.

    the yankees management staff right now should have opposing views on whether to sign lee or not and if so for how long and how much. creative differences in a management team is a healthy thing. if cb and i were on the same management team the opposing views we have would be a plus and not a minus.

    discussions about lee are going to be a dominant theme for the next few months on the blog. it’s going to be interesting what the yankees do. it’s a very big deal because any contract is going to be affecting the team for a very long time.

    i think that keeping options open is important in these still difficult financial times, so i would rather not sign lee. i think financial flexibility is more important than locking players up right now.

  73. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Also Nova, DRob, Joba & Cervelli have trade value. I don’t expect them to trade Gardner as he is cheap. Not sure about Swish though, but I expect him to stay unless Werth is signed or a stud RF is gotten via a trade.
    ———————-

    I don’t expect them to trade Gardner – I’m just saying I wouldn’t be automatically opposed to it if they did it.

  74. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Chip,

    The Dodgers are pitching starved. They probably will hold Billingsly.

  75. MG November 2nd, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    # West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Doesn’t make a damn bit of difference how much the Yanks are worth. It’s very easy to spend money when it’s not yours. The Steinbrenners have spent a lot more of their money than any other owner (or corporation) in MLB who had a net worth more than the Steinbrenners. It’s not our place to tell the Yanks how much of their money to spend (since the fans like to tell them they can afford it for an x amount of reasons).

    ****************

    It is my place as a fan on a sports blog to say anything I want. Just as it is yours.

    ————

    It’s isn’t your right to make any statement you want without being challenged, which it appears time and time again that’s what you want.
    ———————————————————–
    GF, he has such a pathetic life as a loser he just needs to think he’s right, just ask him about his pro-Patestinian views and his continued defense of these killers on multiple blogs about every other topic.

  76. Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    You can feel free to challenge anything on the merits, just not to tell a blogger it’s not their right to communicate their opinion.

    ———-

    No, what you want, and you’ve demonstrated this tactic time and time again, is the comfort of stating anything, no matter how enlightening or absurd it may be, without the threat of being challenged on any of it.

    You always come back to same argument….”This is a blog and I can state my opinion” when anyone challenged you on anything.

  77. RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    I think Lee’s wife is like any woman or man of their status & intellect put in that situation, she was offended by the actions of some crude fans. Now could that be used as a bargaining chip, perhaps. I bet after it was all said & done the Lee’s have wondered why the Rangers put them there to start with instead of a luxury box.

    I do not go to games in person anymore because of the actions of some crude and ignorant fans who think it is their God given right to drink, scream, yell, urinate, vomit and dump food & beer/alcohol all over me and my family & friends. It seems like their life mission is to reach 120 dB of noise for a constant 2 to 3 hrs or more. I think that is why luxury boxes were invented to remove that vile part of society from the enjoyment of the game.

  78. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Randy,

    Totally agree on healthy debate and that the Yankees should have that regarding Lee (and all decisions really). I actually hope they sign him…but not at all costs. Their revenues are such that they can assume some risk and my hope is that signing him would be the last FA pitcher they would need to sign for awhile…developing the rest from within. It will be interesting how it all unfolds.

    Love your insights.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    MG November 2nd, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    ****************

    GF, he has such a pathetic life as a loser he just needs to think he’s right, just ask him about his pro-Patestinian views and his continued defense of these killers on multiple blogs about every other topic.

    ****************

    Keep your political views to yourself this is not the forum for that.

  80. MG November 2nd, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    I would be fine with the Yankees either signing Lee and making a push for several WS championships at almost all cost over the next few years OR pulling back and building a new core from within the system-the cost of that conceivably could be missing the playoffs for a few years.

    What I don’t want to see is the Yankees seeking a middle ground of moving players around for the sake of small improvements. That is what they did in the mid-2000′s and is a losing strategy. I’m willing to wait for a new dynasty, I just wonder how many other fans would take the same approach.

  81. MG November 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    MG November 2nd, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    ****************

    GF, he has such a pathetic life as a loser he just needs to think he’s right, just ask him about his pro-Patestinian views and his continued defense of these killers on multiple blogs about every other topic.

    ****************

    Keep your political views to yourself this is not the forum for that.
    ———————
    it’s not a political opinion, it’s my opinion about what a loser you are and based on your past contamination of other Yankees blogs. It is a direct personal attack and nothing more.

  82. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    No, what you want, and you’ve demonstrated this tactic time and time again, is the comfort of stating anything, no matter how enlightening or absurd it may be, without the threat of being challenged on any of it.

    ***************

    There was nothing absurd about my post on the Yankees finances and payroll. I presented facts and an opinion. As I said, feel free to challenge it on the merits – but you don’t get to decide what others post. They are opinions.

  83. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    MG November 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    it’s not a political opinion, it’s my opinion about what a loser you are and based on your past contamination of other Yankees blogs. It is a direct personal attack and nothing more.

    **********

    Thanks for sharing aldo! lol

  84. Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    As I said, feel free to challenge it on the merits – but you don’t get to decide what others post. They are opinions.

    I rest my case.

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    MG November 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    That is your political opinion below, despite your atrocious spelling, again, there is no place for that here so keep it to yourself.

    “Ask him about his pro-Patestinian views and his continued defense of these killers”.

  86. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Now surely you don’t think Cliff Lee and his agent are wondering if the Nationals were sending a message to Javier Vazquez, Ted Lilly or any of the other scrub starters out there on the market?

    ===========

    Bret, that could be the message except an offer to Lee has nothing to do with Vazquez or Lilly imo. Lee is the cream of this years crop and will get his deal based on his track record. In Javys case he had a meltdown this year and is in an unfortunate position this year regarding getting a new contarct from someone. A nice guy but tough luck.

  87. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Hal Steinbrenner on with Francesa today at 3:45pm. Should be interesting.

  88. MG November 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    it’s truly amazing how West Coast Troll and Vineyard Yankee show up at exactly the same times just about every day on this blog…

  89. RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    I think Vazquez signs with either the Dodgers or Nationals as a FA with the Cards being a longshot. 3 yrs $12M.

  90. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    Chip,

    The Dodgers are pitching starved. They probably will hold Billingsly.
    ———————-

    I don’t expect any team that has a young starter under reasonable contract to trade him – I just speculate on what it would take to get him.

  91. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Swisher, Nova and Laird for Billingsley sounds good. Send Cashman a ‘tweet’.

  92. SAS November 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Congrats Blake….not easy choices.

  93. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    Hal Steinbrenner on with Francesa today at 3:45pm. Should be interesting.
    ———————

    Probably not – Hal is not his father, nor his brother – he’s not going to give you anything notable.

    He will say that the Yankees are going to make whatever moves they feel they need to – reiterate that Chuck Greenberg’s a fool and that’ll be that.

  94. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Bret The Hitman
    November 2nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Chip,

    The Dodgers are pitching starved. They probably will hold Billingsly.

    ==================

    I think the question will be if McCourt wants to pay after paying his wife.

  95. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    MG November 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    it’s truly amazing how West Coast Troll and Vineyard Yankee show up at exactly the same times just about every day on this blog…

    ***********

    But we don’t. Why do you lie? You are a troll aren’t you?

  96. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    RayVT November 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    I think Vazquez signs with either the Dodgers or Nationals as a FA with the Cards being a longshot. 3 yrs $12M.
    ——————

    Won’t be the Dodgers – Javy wants to stay east (closer to Puerto Rico). He and the Nats are a perfect fit. There are still plenty of guys in that organization who were there when he was an Expo; and with the exception of Philly those NL East parks are a haven to fly ball pitchers.

  97. YankeeBlue222 November 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I don’t get the hype of Greinke either.

    Given his anxiety issues (are they completely resolved?) and the fact that he has only put together ONE great season, I don’t think we should trade the farm for him.

    Just my two cents.

  98. Captain Clutch November 2nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Nolan Ryan will be throwing out and catching the 1st pitch tonight at 8 pm in an empty ballpark.

  99. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    Now surely you don’t think Cliff Lee and his agent are wondering if the Nationals were sending a message to Javier Vazquez, Ted Lilly or any of the other scrub starters out there on the market?

    ===========

    Bret, that could be the message except an offer to Lee has nothing to do with Vazquez or Lilly imo. Lee is the cream of this years crop and will get his deal based on his track record. In Javys case he had a meltdown this year and is in an unfortunate position this year regarding getting a new contarct from someone. A nice guy but tough luck.

    **************

    I was being sarcastic. Of course the Nationals were sending a message to Lee and his agent and they did it in a way that avoids tampering fines/charges.

  100. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    MG
    November 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    it’s truly amazing how West Coast Troll and Vineyard Yankee show up at exactly the same times just about every day on this blog…

    ================

    I beg to differ with you. Because WCYF and I are friends outside of this forum has nothing to do with when him or I post.

  101. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Dodger rotation as of right now:

    Lilly
    Kershaw
    Billingsly
    Vincente Padilla
    John Ely
    (Hiroki Kuroda is a FA)

    Could the Dodgers justify moving Billingsly if they got back someone who could slot right into their rotation in place of him (Nova) for a third of the price along with potential long term fixes at 3b (Laird) and behind the plate (Romine) along with another young power arm (Brackman)…the answer is it’s possible, but not probable.

  102. pat November 2nd, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    If you feel someone to be a troll, why not ignore what they write instead of turning this place into your own battle ground with the rest of us held hostage.

  103. upstate kate November 2nd, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Captain Clutch
    :)

  104. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Chip,

    Lilly is a free agent.

    Padilla is old.

    Kershaw and Bills are the only fixtures in the Dodger rotation.

    I think they’re more likely to trade Kemp or Ethier for pitching, if anything.

  105. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Bret -

    The Dodgers and Lilly agreed to a 3 year $33 mil contract last week.

  106. LGY November 2nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    There was nothing absurd about my post on the Yankees finances and payroll. I presented facts and an opinion

    ***********

    That the Steinbrenners saved 500 million in estate taxes is not a fact.

    Far from it.

  107. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Chip,

    Didn’t know that but I’m not surprised. Like I said, they’re pitching starved and are more likely to move assets for pitching rather than send pitching out to bring in assets.

    Kemp and Ethier are prime candidates.

  108. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Chip
    November 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    You never know and there will only be so much of Russo I can listen to today on the ‘Mad Dog Giants Show’.

  109. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Cliff Lee may be looking at yet another home pitching address. Frankly, whatever the Rangers do, it might not make a difference. By all appearances, Lee wants to be a Yankee. He’d like to team with his friend, CC Sabathia. He could play for an organization that doesn’t rebuild, it annexes someone else’s. He didn’t even hold it against the Yankees when his wife was spat upon by Yankees fans. Either he’s determined to keep an open mind or chivalry is dead. And then there’s this: A late-bloomer, Lee loves the big stage. It’s the main reason he’s been so effective in the postseason. As anyone in New York will tell you, there’s no bigger stage.

    The Dallas Morning News

  110. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    YankeeBlue222
    November 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    A good 2 cents, coupled with mine we are now up to 4 cents.

  111. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Chip,

    One writers opinion.

    What’s to stop Lee’s agent from angling through the Texas media to drive up the price for Texas? By all accounts, I haven’t heard anything about Lee wanting out of Texas. It’s been the opposite. He raves about Hamilton, loves his teammates and seemed to be happy there.

  112. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Bret The Hitman
    November 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    10 / 4.

  113. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Bret -

    I can’t see them moving Kemp or Ethier.

    Ethier is the only offense that team has and the Dodgers are in much the same situation with Kemp that the Yankees are in with Joba – they know there’s talent there but his value is too diminished to get an accurate return on him through the trade market.

    I could see Boston trying to swoop in on Kemp, offering the Dodgers Ellsbury and Dice-K (along with financial relief on Dice-K’s contract) for Kemp

  114. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    Chip,

    One writers opinion.

    What’s to stop Lee’s agent from angling through the Texas media to drive up the price for Texas? By all accounts, I haven’t heard anything about Lee wanting out of Texas. It’s been the opposite. He raves about Hamilton, loves his teammates and seemed to be happy there.
    —————————————

    You’re right, but what’s to say that he’s not raving about Texas to get the Yankees to raise their offer?

  115. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Chip,

    Kemp and Ethier are getting expensive though.

    I’d offer Swisher (only 1 more year on his contract and then he’s a type A) + Joba and Romine for Kemp.

  116. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 2nd, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Now we can officially talk about the offseason. I’ll miss the season, but I’m glad we can just move on and fix things in preparation for 2011.

    I read somewhere yesterday that the Yankees very well may be poised to deal Montero in a BIG trade this winter. If something like that were to occur, it’d have to be for a premier pitcher. So I guess that begs the question: who exactly fits that bill?

    This same article suggested that Austine Romine might be the more likely candidate to be groomed to succeed Posada as he is a better catcher than Montero and because there are concerns about Montero’s ability to catch at the major league level. Maybe Chad or Sam wrote this…don’t recall.

  117. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Chip
    You’re right, but what’s to say that he’s not raving about Texas to get the Yankees to raise their offer?

    *****************

    I’d say he’s not faking it with his teammates because he was the alpha dog in that clubhouse. That whole team worships the guy. He’s top dog in Texas and Nolan Ryan is gonna pucker up and kiss his rear end.

    Lee’s not at the top in NY – he’s second fiddle to CC again.

  118. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    “[The environment] had a lot to do with [signing the extension], for sure,” said Greinke. “Now, maybe New York would bother me, but I don’t think anywhere else would bother me anymore. Even though I’m in Kansas City, I’ve gotten used to it a lot more. New York, I still might have trouble in New York. I probably would. But I think almost everyone does.”

  119. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Mad Prince,

    Do you have a link to the article? I’m seeming to gravitate towards that perspective.

  120. SAS November 2nd, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    There are 30 teams out there who all want to improve on the teams that they had last year. It seems to me we are all being premature by not including some of those other teams as candidates either for Lee or other desirable players who are free agents other than Jeter, Mo, and Andy.

    There are also trade possibilities with some of those teams.

  121. LGY November 2nd, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    It really is strange the way Greinke is spoken about on this blog from purely a baseball standpoint.

    Most young pitchers on here that we talk about we speak of potential, what they have shown so far, and how they translates to success as they enter their prime. How we would love to have so and so in the rotation the next few years. How great of an arm a young pitcher has.

    Yet, Greinke is spoken about like some seasoned veteran, who has had all this experience, been in the league forever, and doesn’t have this track record of greatness.

    Most pitchers at Greinke’s age do not have that, yet many on here would trade significant pieces for what they have shown so far and the potential that is there.

    He also hasn’t had “only 1 good year” which is the line always brought up about him.

    In 2008 as a 24 year old he threw 202 innings to a 3.47 ERA, 3.56 FIP, and 1.28 WHIP. That is a very good year for any pitcher, especially for one at 24. In 2009 he had a *incredible* Cy Young year. In 2010 he again had a good year. He threw 220 innings and had a 4.17 ERA. But, he had a 3.34 FIP (at least partially and maybe significantly explained by the Royals defense which ranked 3rd worst in baseball by UZR) and 1.25 WHIP.

    Greinke turned 27 less than 2 weeks ago. His best years are ahead of him. Not behind him.

  122. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    Nowhere does Greinke say he does not want or would not want to pitch in NY. He merely implies that it would require some adjustments because “he’s gotten used to” KC as his home. “Trouble” in NY just means that it’s natural that he would have to make adjustments in NY since everyone else does.

  123. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    MLB Trade Rumors has put out their list of Non-tender candidates – I’ve bolded the ones I think would be worth a look by the Yankees should they actually be released:

    Position players

    Willy Aybar
    Clint Barmes
    Travis Buck
    Ryan Church
    Jack Cust
    Matt Diaz
    Edwin Encarnacion
    Josh Fields
    Mike Fontenot
    Jeff Francoeur
    Kevin Frandsen
    Esteban German
    Alberto Gonzalez
    Tony Gwynn
    Scott Hairston
    J.J. Hardy
    Joe Inglett
    Conor Jackson
    Dan Johnson
    Casey Kotchman
    Kevin Kouzmanoff
    Ryan Langerhans
    Andy LaRoche
    Fred Lewis (as an upgrade from Greg Golson)
    James Loney
    Jose Lopez
    Andy Marte
    Russell Martin
    Jeff Mathis
    Corky Miller
    Dioner Navarro
    Wil Nieves
    Laynce Nix
    Augie Ojeda
    Ronny Paulino
    Brayan Pena
    Humberto Quintero
    Jason Repko
    Ryan Theriot
    Reggie Willits (same rationale as Fred Lewis)
    Josh Wilson
    Dewayne Wise
    Delwyn Young (interesting guy, can play all over the field, switch hitter, some pop)

    Pitchers

    Jeremy Accardo
    Matt Albers
    Brian Bannister
    Boof Bonser
    Blaine Boyer
    Jared Burton
    Tim Byrdak
    D.J. Carrasco
    Gustavo Chacin
    Todd Coffey
    Clay Condrey
    Lance Cormier
    Kyle Davies
    Manny Delcarmen
    Zach Duke
    Chad Gaudin
    Angel Guzman
    J.P. Howell
    Bobby Jenks
    Jeff Karstens
    Wil Ledezma
    John Maine
    Brandon McCarthy
    Dustin McGowan
    Andrew Miller
    Zach Miner
    Sergio Mitre
    Dustin Moseley
    Pat Neshek
    Dustin Nippert
    Hideki Okajima
    Scott Olsen
    Tony Pena
    Glen Perkins
    Chris Ray
    George Sherrill
    Joe Smith
    Brian Tallet
    Tyler Walker
    Chien-Ming Wang
    Sean White
    Joel Zumaya

  124. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    Chip,

    Kemp and Ethier are getting expensive though.

    I’d offer Swisher (only 1 more year on his contract and then he’s a type A) + Joba and Romine for Kemp.
    _______________

    That’s a lot to offer for a guy who hit .250 and struck out 170 times.

  125. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Chip,

    DUUUUUUUDE. Don’t do that. It clogs the blog. Links are better.

  126. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Chip,

    But they know that’s not the real Kemp.

  127. Betsy November 2nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    So apparently Hal is going to speak out today; he’ll be on with Kay at 3:20 and Francesca at some point (not sure). Greenberg’s apology was hogwash – it was a half-hearted apology forced on him by Selig. I hope Hal can straddle the line between what his father’s type of emotional reaction and restraint. Yankee fans want to hear him give it to Greenburg – though I would not want to see him get down in the mud with that clown.

  128. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    I hope it’s ok to post this here. For those who are interested – MLB Trade Rumors now has an I-Phone app for $2.99

    “It sends an alert to your iPhone for all transactions, and you can also add alerts for any combination of players, teams, and leagues you desire. If you want to be the first to know where Cliff Lee is headed, etc.”.

  129. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    Chip,

    But they know that’s not the real Kemp.
    —————————–

    Possibly.

    But I think the Dodgers are going to hold onto him and see if Mattingly can get through to him in a way Torre couldn’t.

  130. Betsy November 2nd, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Well GB, it apparently escapes you that there is a way to disagree with someone without being insulting. We’ll just have to disagree on how the Yankees handled Phil and Joba.

  131. upstate kate November 2nd, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Betsy
    I would rather Hal take the high road. I would rather he praise the majority of Yankee fans and not even bother to address what Greenberg said.

  132. YankeeBlue222 November 2nd, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:25 pm
    YankeeBlue222
    November 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    A good 2 cents, coupled with mine we are now up to 4 cents.
    ***************

    1 more cent and we can buy a tootsie roll!

  133. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Betsy, 3:45 on Francesa.

  134. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 2nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Bret the Hitman,

    Looks like it was in Cafardo’s Boston Globe Article on Oct. 31st:

    “9. Jesus Montero, C, Yankees — Though he had a decent year, there is still a lot of doubt as to whether he can handle a major league pitching staff. One Yankee insider feels Montero will be included in a big deal this winter and the franchise will commit to Austin Romine as the long-term catcher when Jorge Posada is through.”

    Doesn’t give you much though.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....gh/?page=6

    I think that Montero has to be made available in the right deal. If we sign Lee then maybe a potential Montero deal lessens and that is fine because it gives us flexibility at the trade deadline if necessary.

    But if we lose out on Lee and Pettitte walks, Montero has to be made available if a premier pitcher is on the trade block.

  135. Betsy November 2nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    I find it hard to believe that Harkey is honestly being given serious consideration when he basically admitted he was clueless about video, etc……. when he took over for Eiland. Burnett should not be the main reason why a PC gets the job as the PC has to work with all the pitchers.

  136. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    YankeeBlue222
    November 2nd, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    I’m in, can we still get one for a nickle ?

  137. Betsy November 2nd, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    If the Giants offered Cain for Hughes, you do that because, among other things, Cain is proven. Nunez is no deal breaker….Swisher might be because who would the Yankees go with in RF?

  138. yanksfan7788 November 2nd, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    I didn’t know that teams have only 5 day exclusive negotiations with their players. I thought it was 15 days.

  139. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Bret,

    Sometimes I think you’re just setting us up for another season of “NYY Rumors” or whatever it was.

    Why would the Yanks want to gamble away their prize prospects for a player who isn’t sure he could handle their stage? He didn’t even have that great a season.

  140. Betsy November 2nd, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    LOL at the Dallas Morning News. Why would Lee hold that against the Yankees? They annex other organizations? And the grapes were sour……..and bitter.

  141. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Mad Prince,

    I agree. We’re lucky Montero raked in the second half. His trade value is approaching Joba’s from 2007. I’m not saying it’s inflated but it’s as high as it could possibly get before he ever sees action behind the plate in the majors. He gives us great flexibility on the trade market…so do guys like Gardner, Nova and Joba.

    It’s tough to target starting pitchers though because the issue isn’t really the cost in talent – I think the Yankees can handle that – the real question is if there’s an ace on any given team, is that GM even willing to consider trading him in the first place.

    You have to look at expensive, or soon-to-be expensive aces on teams who are far from competing on a consistent basis.

    Greinke profiles well because his salary nearly doubles to 13.5. KC is a terrible team with low attendance.

    Verlander is another possible target because the Tigers finished .500 (13 games out) and his salary doubles to 13 mil and then jumps to 20 million. Detroit was ravaged by the crash of the auto market. Attendance there is highly unstable.

    I dunno.

    Can someone sell me on some other front end starters who profile as trade targets?

  142. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Betsy, I assume you’re just conjecturing re: Cain for Hughes.

    The Giants would zero incentive to make that deal.

    I live in Giants country and Cain is an exceptional pitcher who lacks the same attention players’ of his caliber would usually get because of who he pitches behind in the SF rotation.

    If the Giants deal any of their pitchers it should be Sanchez for as big of a bat as they can get in return. They can build their rotation around Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgarner with relative ease.

    They need big bats.

  143. Betsy November 2nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    LGY, I don’t want Greinke and it really has nothing to do with his performance……….I simply am not willing to risk a ton of prospects (and it would start with Hughes, by the way) for a guy who’s had issues in the past and who clearly does not want to play for a big city team. That’s enough to completely dissuade me.

  144. Betsy November 2nd, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Mad, I did not bring it up – it was brought up earlier. I don’t believe in mock trades – I think they are a waste of time. It doesn’t bother me if anyone else engages in them, but I rarely pay attention to them. I just saw Cain’s name there……..No of course the Giants aren’t going to trade him; their rotation is the envy of the sport.

  145. CompassRosy November 2nd, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    per Cot’s….

    http://tinyurl.com/27w8bnz

    The day after the end of the World Series marks the beginning of the five-day period during which clubs retain exclusive negotiating rights with their players who will qualify as free agents. A free agent may engage in general discussions with other clubs but may not discuss contract details or sign with them until the five-day period ends. (The window for exclusive negotiating rights ran for 15 days through the 2009-10 off-season. Under new rules put in place for the 2010-11 off-season, eligible players become free agents at the conclusion of the World Series and no longer are required to file for the privilege.) CBA, Article XX (B).

  146. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    Bret,

    Sometimes I think you’re just setting us up for another season of “NYY Rumors” or whatever it was.

    Why would the Yanks want to gamble away their prize prospects for a player who isn’t sure he could handle their stage? He didn’t even have that great a season.

    ******

    :lol: I laughed out loud at this…

    But to answer your serious question. I don’t think the Yankees will gamble without calculation. They’ll find out what they need to know about Greinke.

    If we want to infuse an even higher level of rumors and speculation into this conversation, I can say that I do remember “Lost” saying that the Yankees have discussed Greinke but only leaked the bad stuff – the part about them being “concerned” about his shoulder or his arm…nothing about makeup in that leak.

    “Lost” is your real culprit when it comes to peddling rumors.

  147. LGY November 2nd, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    “Verlander is another possible target because the Tigers finished .500 (13 games out) and his salary doubles to 13 mil and then jumps to 20 million. Detroit was ravaged by the crash of the auto market.”

    ————————————————

    The Tigers gave Verlander that deal after the auto market crashed.

    The also have a TON of money coming off the books this year and next.

  148. LGY November 2nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Betsy,

    That post was purely about baseball.

  149. Betsy November 2nd, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Ok, but he still did not have a good year this year…….

  150. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    The Tigers also offered that deal before their .500 season. They still had hopes of being a playoff team. They’d be foolish to think otherwise after their 2010 campaign.

    Whatever the case – both Greinke and Verlander are long shots but they’re both in the discussion.

    I still believe Greinke profiles better as a target but I don’t think Verlander is out of the question especially since Cash has garnered good faith with Dombrowski by trading Jackson and Coke – two guys who are panning out. If they busted, the Tigers might be more weary.

    I think they have every good reason to believe in our system.

  151. LGY November 2nd, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    “Ok, but he still did not have a good year this year…….”

    ————————————–

    I think he had a good year this year and pitched well, but other factors inflated his ERA. I think he had a good year.

  152. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    The tigers can compete every year in that division with Verlander.

  153. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 2nd, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Bret,

    I read something about Greinke wanting no part of NY or Boston…who knows, could be media fluff. But he has been prone to panic attacks hasn’t he?

    Verlander…who knows?

    You have to take a look around the league and a lot of it is timing. I’d honestly like to think that Felix Hernandez will be available sooner than a lot of people think (not this offseason, but in a year or two) but since the Seattle GM screwed the Yankees with Lee this past July, that probably will never happen. But it would also take far more than Montero.

    Other names that come to mind are Josh Johnson (similar situation as Hernandez having just signed a new contract), someone like Fausto Carmona, Ricky Nolasco (Florida can’t keep em all), Jonathan Sanchez perhaps, although the Giants clearly have zero need for a catcher.

    Doesn’t really do well to conjecture too much.

    And who knows, perhaps they’d deal him for an impact bat at a position they would like to improve…OF?

    I just think about the Clemens deal back in the winter of 98. That came out of nowhere. I bet more than just salary dumps are available in the right scenario.

  154. LGY November 2nd, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    “The Tigers also offered that deal before their .500 season. They still had hopes of being a playoff team. They’d be foolish to think otherwise after their 2010 campaign.”

    —————————————

    They offered that deal because they wanted Verlander around as they retool their team around him and Miggy.

    They may have had hopes of being a playoff team, but it is obvious they were a flawed and aging team.

    They have a ton of money and hugely overpaid players coming off the books this year and next.

    With all the money they have coming off the books and getting rid of all their horrible contracts, they are in a very good position to retool quickly.

    Trading Verlander would be sending up the white flag for years, which makes no sense considering they have him that deal less than a year ago, and are in a good position to build around him.

  155. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 2nd, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Since you got me hot on the wish list subject, one guy I would LOVE to have in NY’s lineup (and every other team would say the same thing):

    Ryan Braun

    Ohhh how we are prone to pipe dreams :)

  156. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Mad Prince,

    Nice post. I like Carmona but he’s not very durable. I don’t think he can be counted on as a #2. Also, since they have Carlos Santana, the Yankees can’t deal from a position of strength with their catching depth.

    Greinke and Verlander are still my horses.

    I wish the pool were bigger but I haven’t seen any targets that profile. Even basement dwellers like the Nats are in buy mode when it comes to ace pitching these days.

    It has to be a situation where Cashman helps a team save money and deals high end prospects or ML ready players like in the Vazquez deal.

    Think Vazquez deal on steroids since the starter would have to be front end and the talent going out would have to be better than Vizcaino, Dunn and Melky.

  157. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Grienke’s ERA+ went from 200 to 100. Without seeing the guy pitch and sans peripherals, you could say he pitched as “league average” as one can get.

    Maybe the “concern” about his shoulder or arm was genuine.

  158. Bob November 2nd, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    I’m campaigning for Josh Johnson to the Yankees ! C’mon Cashman make ‘em an offer they can’t refuse (no Cano).

  159. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Here’s a thought (probably not a good one)

    Toronto gets: Nick Swisher and AJ Burnett

    Yankees get: Brandon Morrow and Vernon Wells

    Toronto parts with a prime young arm, but in the process gets out from the Vernon Wells contract. AJ’s contract isn’t a sweetheart deal, but it’s still better than the deal they have Wells signed to. Toronto would save close to 5 mil per year on the deal.

    Yankees get a tremendous arm in Morrow and Wells (due about 86 mil over the next 4 years) would – if nothing else, be plus defender in RF. Plus if you take him out of the role where he needs to carry an offense he might thrive again. He had a bounce back year of sorts in 2010. I can’t underscore how huge of a risk this would be, but the reward in Morrow might well be worth it.

    I said it before and I’ll say it again – in two, maybe three years Morrow is going to be on the list of elite young pitchers in this game.

  160. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    Maybe the “concern” was genuine, but then why leak it?

    Valid concern over an arm issue plaguing a player on another team seems inconsequential to the voting public.

    What kind of shoulder concerns can this guy have?

    He just logged 220 innings and matched his career WHIP, backed by horrible team defense.

    Greinke has extremely clean mechanics.

    He looks like Moose in his prime when Moose had the velocity and movement on his fastball to compliment his command, control and off speed stuff.

    I like Greinke a whole bunch.

  161. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Chip,

    I think the yanks would do that…..the Jays probably not so much. Morrow, cecil, and drabek are who they are building around.

  162. Yank 97 November 2nd, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Romero, Marcum, Morrow, Cecil, Drabek…. not bad.

  163. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    blake November 2nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Chip,

    I think the yanks would do that…..the Jays probably not so much. Morrow, cecil, and drabek are who they are building around.
    ——————-

    I think if it got Vernon Wells off their books they would have to give it some serious thought.

    Even if they traded Morrow they would still have, as you said Cecil and Drabek not to mention Rickey Romero and Shawn Marcum. I would even consider throwing in a high ceiling minor league arm – someone in the low minors like the kid they sent to Atlanta in the Javy deal.

  164. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Chip you are a riot, AJ back to the Blue Jays. LMAO ! Although they might go for that, Wells @ $ 23 mil. and AJ @ $ 16.5 saves them $ 6.5 mil.

  165. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Toronto would have a rotation of:

    Romero, AJ, Cecil, Marcum, Drabek – not have Vernon Wells’s contract on the books anymore

  166. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    Chip you are a riot, AJ back to the Blue Jays. LMAO ! Although they might go for that, Wells @ $ 23 mil. and AJ @ $ 16.5 saves them $ 6.5 mil.
    ———————————

    Crazier things have happened…like Johnny Damon and Roger Clemens winding up as Yankees.

    Though I admit, it is so far out of the box it can’t even see the box anymore.

  167. G. Love November 2nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    There’s such a ridiculous fascination with people on this blog and the KC Royals. I understand, they are the worst team in baseball so they are never in contention anymore so it makes sense to pick up whatever scraps of talent they have since everyone thinks we’re doing them a favor because they are such a bad team.

    That said, Greinke is not worth the price he will cost. Neither is Soria or any of the other KC dumpllings you get your pants in a bunch over.

    For a team as poor as KC to survive it has to win every trade. I would not trade Montero for Greinke or Soria or these mythical nonsensical deals where they trade us both pitchers and throw in Dejesus for good measure while we send them quantity.

    If a team like KC is going to survive they have to split their assets up and trade them for more than they can in a package. That’s GM 101.

    But the truth is we should not be trading our potential cleanup hitter and leadoff hitter (Gardner) for a pitcher who has mental problems that can affect their performance.

    I guess a lot of you are new Yankee fans and were here for the days of Ed Whitson.

    Let me tell you it was not pretty watching him just as it was not pretty watching Knobby melt down in his career here and stop being able to make throws to 1b.

    Greinke is not coming to the Yankees. The Yankees are not dumb enough to bring a guy in with that kind of history and risk and then pay top dollar prices to get him and sign him.

    If Montero gets traded it’s for Felix or Josh Johnson neither of who are available.

    Cashman has only offered him for Lee and Hallyday. He’s not going to offer him for Greinke and he most certainly is not going to offer him for Soria, a closer when relievers are the most volatile performers from year to year save Mariano.

    This sick infatuation with the scraps of talent on KC is just mind boggling in here.

    KC stinks. Just because they have a few good players with talent doesn’t mean they should be Yankees. They don’t even know how to win.

  168. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Chip,

    Taking Wells off and adding AJ on really doesn’t help much….

  169. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Vineyard -

    as for the math – the Wells deal isn’t spread evenly, he gets 21 mil in a couple of seasons and 22 mil in a couple – but yes, I was off by 1 mil in AAV savings.

  170. CompassRosy November 2nd, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    I said it before and I’ll say it again – in two, maybe three years Morrow is going to be on the list of elite young pitchers in this game.

    *******

    So Bavasi (and the four other GM’s who passed on Lincecum) wasn’t crazy after all?

    hmmmm…. not so sure.

    Granted, the M’s did not do Brandon any favors bouncing him back and forth between the bullpen and starting, but the real mistake was trying to develop him at the major league level – he should have had WAY more than the handful of innings he did before they brought him up.

    Also, he played a bit of a part in the “waffling” between starting and closing as well, at one point saying that it was easier to manage his diabetes out of the pen than starting, as I wrote about at the time…

    http://tinyurl.com/2attoqd

  171. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Blake –

    So I throw them a bone and include some cash in the deal, not much, maybe enough to save them 8 mil a year instead of 6.5.

    Plus AJ’s deal is a year shorter.

    (in retrospect I really don’t know what Riccardi was thinking when he negotiated that deal…jeeze)

  172. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    G. Love,

    Nobody seems to be advocating for the deals you’ve detailed. I think you’re exaggerating in order to make your point.

    I think your point is, you don’t like Greinke but that’s not based on talent because there is no “risk” in the “history” of his performance on the mound.

    So really, I detect a bias against his makeup.

    While it’s a legitimate concern, the Yankees likely employ effective methods of gathering information about their trade targets and they seem to be favoring positive personalities lately – good clubhouse guys like CC, Swish, Granderson, Tex and yes, even AJ.

  173. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Compass -

    No, I don’t think passing on Linc for Morrow was a mistake.

    Yes, Linc got to the majors quickly and has been EXTREMELY successful but I think when all is said and done Morrow will either be as good or better than him.

    I do think trying to develop Morrow in the majors and then bouncing him from the rotation to the pen to the rotation was an extreme detriment (much like Joba) but I think this season he had was just the tip of a very big iceberg.

    As an aside – I would not be against the Yankees sending Joba to the minors this year and starting over with him as a starter – letting him truly develop the way he needs to. Of course they would never do that; so for the sake of Joba Chamberlain I hope he gets traded to an organization that will. He’s far too talented in my opinion to be turned into Aaron Heilman which is what the Yankees seem determined to do.

  174. G. Love November 2nd, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Bret,

    There’s tremendous risk attached to Greinke. The guy had to leave baseball for mental reasons. He almost quit because of them.

    How is that not risky?

    It’s just as risky to sign Josh Hamilton to a long term deal knowing that any day he can wake up and go on a bender if his chaperon and wife aren’t watching him.

    You can’t say that about every other player in the league because these guys have baggage.

    Trading top prospects and then spending major contract dollars in money & years for players with baggage are bad moves. I can’t imagine a situation where Cashman, who has been here long enough to know that this is not a place for a player with an anxiety issue, will deal for him. I’d hazard to guess he’s not even on their list.

    As for me exaggerating, almost every day in this blog some moron presents a trade scenario where KC sends us Soria, Greinke and whatever else they like from their fantasy team that is on KC and we send them back Montero, Gardner and prospects.

    KC would never make a deal like that. You don’t put all your eggs in one basket if you’re ripping apart your team via trades.

  175. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    G. Love -

    There are risks associated with every player.

    The Orioles signed Albert Belle to a huge contract only to have him face early retirement because of hip problems.

    The Yankees signed Carl Pavano only to see him spend 4 years “rehabbing” in Tampa

    The risk the Yankees would face in trading for Grienke is different, but it isn’t any greater than the risks they would face in bringing in any other player.

  176. YankeeBlue222 November 2nd, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    G. Love,

    You could not have said that entire post any better.

    100% agreed!

  177. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    G. Love,

    KC will definitely split up Greinke, Soria and DeJesus.

    As for Greinke and his makeup. I think they’re looking more at how many years he has pitched and performed at a high level. That outweighs anything that happened with his psyche 5-6 years ago.

    If he’s a target, I trust they’ve done their HW.

    If not, then obviously there DD has led them to the same conclusion you have.

    However, as talented as Greinke is (or Hamilton for that matter) I just can’t imagine us being screwed if we acquire him.

    He has 2 years on his contract.

    If he’s a disaster, he’s out.

    If he’s not, he pitches like Mussina in his prime and gets rewarded for it.

    He’s a CY award winner and only 27.

    You definitely trade Montero + Gardner for him.

  178. Doreen November 2nd, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    A correction to something posted above:

    SAD can also stand for Social Anxiety Disorder, which is what Greinke suffer(s)(ed) from (he also suffer(ed)(s) from depression. Seasonal affective disorder has the some initials, but is entirely different.

    http://socialanxietydisorder.a.....erview.htm

    This post is non-partisan with regard to Zack Greinke coming to NY.

  179. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    “There’s such a ridiculous fascination with people on this blog and the KC Royals.”

    If by “this blog” you mean Bret, I agree 100%. :wink:

    Ed Whitson was probably a good clubhouse guy as well.

    Like De Niro in Ronin once said, “Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt.”

  180. Erin November 2nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Yankees outright Chad Gaudin, LHP Royce Ring to remove them from the 40-man roster. Gaudin elected free agency. OF Melky Mesa added to 40.

  181. Erin November 2nd, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    New Post: Guadin and Ring outrighted, Mesa added

    :arrow:

  182. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    I almost had a 3 team deal to make my Wells/Morrow to the Yankees trade work – but it involved sending AJ to the Cubs and I think having AJ and Big Z on the same team would make their manager’s head explode.

  183. CompassRosy November 2nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    “I think this season he had was just the tip of a very big iceberg.”

    ******
    Chip ~

    For Brandon’s sake, I hope you are right. There are those around these parts that feel the same way but, unfortunately, a set of circumstances (some avoidable, some not) made it impossible for Brandon’s career to flourish here.

  184. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Chip:

    Cashman is looking for a new assistant, give him a ‘tweet’ to put your name in the hat. LOL ! FYI, Wells gets $ 23 in 2011 then it goes down to $ 21 each of the following three years. AJ @ $ 16.5 is how I came up with the $ 6.5 million dollar difference.

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