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Hal Steinbrenner: Payroll staying “within the same level”

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After attending the Yankees organizational meetings the past two days in Tampa, Hal Steinbrenner did a pair of radio interviews this afternoon — one on ESPN, one on WFAN — to discuss the state of the Yankees and what comes next.

Most of it was fairly predictable, and Steinbrenner went into very few details. He did say the Yankees payroll will not shift drastically one way or the other this winter.

“I can safely say we’re going to stay within the same level, but I’m obviously not going to get into details,” he said during The Michael Kay Show. “We know we’re expected to field a championship caliber team and we’re going to do what it takes to do that. If we have to get creative in a trade, or we have to go after a big free agent, we’re going to do that. We do have some money coming off.”

A few minutes later, Steinbrenner was asked a similar question by Mike Francesa.

“I’m not going to get into specifics, but yes we’ve got a good idea of where we’re going to try to end up,” he said. “We have some money coming off the payroll. Obviously re-signing Derek and Mo is going to be a priority to try to do that, but we’re still going to have money leftover. These meetings are pretty initial at this point, but it’s all about prioritizing what we need to do and looking at the free agent market and eventually looking at possible trades to try to improve.”

A few bullet-point items that were discussed.

• On the approach to Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera: “Derek and Mo, obviously we want them back. They’re hopefully lifelong Yankees. They’re great leaders. They’ve been great Yankees, but we’re running a business. If there’s a deal to be done, it has to be a deal that both sides are happy with.”

• Steinbrenner said he wasn’t sure he could directly address Cliff Lee rumors. Instead, he simply said: “We are looking at the free agent market as we do every year.”

• Steinbrenner said Rangers CEO Chuck Greenberg called him “within an hour or two” of Greenberg’s comments going public yesterday. The Yankees had already contacted Major League Baseball to let them know they planned to respond “in an aggressive way.” They agreed to hold off until after the World Series game, and ultimately Steinbrenner was satisfied with Greenberg’s apology. “I believe he’s sincerely sorry,” Steinbrenner said. “You either forgive him or you don’t. You either move on or you don’t.”

• The Yankees could not find evidence of any specific incident that would have bothered Cliff Lee’s wife during the ALCS. “As far as I could tell, we couldn’t find anything,” Steinbrenner said.

• Steinbrenner said he did not watch the World Series “inning to inning,” but he did watch some of it. He was impressed by the Giants pitching (obviously).

• On ticket prices: “The Legends section is the section everybody seemed to focus on. We did very well there this year. I think the price reduction really worked. We were about 92, 93 percent as I recall. The numbers were very close to that, anyway… That area did very well, but we’re going to do this every year. We’re going to talk to our fans. We’re going to look at every single section, and we’ll make price adjustments as we need to. Some sections may be overpriced. Some may be underpriced, quite frankly. That’s something we’re going to do, and should be doing, on an annual basis.”

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92 Responses to “Hal Steinbrenner: Payroll staying “within the same level””

  1. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Patrick November 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    Chip, how about Texas after they lose out on Lee
    ————————-

    I don’t know – Mitch Moreland played pretty well for them down the stretch – they may want to see what he can do.

    Plus if they’re going to make a major deal it would have to be for a pitcher to replace Lee don’t you think?

    Maybe they’ll take AJ (or try to stick it to the Yankees by offering a deal to Andy)

  2. Rich in NJ November 2nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    That’s all the more reason why you can’t let sentiment govern contract negotiations.

  3. Yank 97 November 2nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Trader,

    Yeah, if Hal is true to his word, they need to do some maneuvering to keep the payroll the same number while still giving Lee his $23 million. The only significant salary they lose is Vazquez’ $11 million and bits and pieces from Thames, NJ, and the prorated salaries of guys like Winn, Park, Wood, Berkman, Kearns, etc. that might not even add up to a million.

    Really, Jeter’s contract is the big one. If he is reasonable in his demands ($15 mil or so), we could probably squeeze Lee and our own FAs in at the budget, while not signing anyone else. If he’s not, then we have to cut corners elsewhere.

  4. Patrick November 2nd, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Chip,

    If Texas is going to make a serious run at Lee they need to set aside $100 mil + … what other pitcher on the market is worth that money? Next best thing is to upgrade their lineup. And, Mitch Moreland had a good season (and postseason) along with good minor league numbers but he’s no Prince Fielder. You might be right though, Fielder might be excessive for the Rangers especially with Moreland there.

    I would say Boston is a good fit for Fielder but Theo values defense too much to play Fielder everyday at first.

    What about the Nationals? They have the money and could use another bat.

  5. Erin November 2nd, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    I have no doubt Jeter will resign. I just hope it’s sooner rather than later. :)

  6. Erin November 2nd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    edit-re-sign.

  7. yanksfan7788 November 2nd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    I wonder what would have been said in the response to the Greenberg comments.

  8. EA November 2nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    They’ve been great Yankees, but we’re running a business. If there’s a deal to be done, it has to be a deal that both sides are happy with.”

    ————

    Translation: Don’t try and take us to the cleaners and pay your 2x or 3x your market value. Take the reasonable deals we offer you.

  9. Doreen November 2nd, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Bret -

    I had to step away – went to vote and go to the supermarket.

    I realize we have some philosophical differences regarding pharmaceuticals but we’re not as far apart as you might think, but this is not the place to go into specifics. I see drugs as a last resort and sometimes a necessary “evil,” not a panacea. I don’t see having to miss almost 2 years of work due to anxiety and depression as a normal temporary condition. I have personal experience with chronic depression (in my family) and I have suffered from temporary anxiety. I know the difference.

    Anyway, Greinke’s year was not a good one; his performance did go down from 2009 and even his 2008 was better, from a quick glance at the stats on Baseball-Reference.com. So, which is the real Greinke? 2009? Or 2010 and 2008, which were more ordinary? i think that’s the real reason nobody wants to trade Montero for him.

  10. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I would want no part of Prince longterm…..

  11. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Patrick November 2nd, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Chip,

    If Texas is going to make a serious run at Lee they need to set aside $100 mil + … what other pitcher on the market is worth that money? Next best thing is to upgrade their lineup. And, Mitch Moreland had a good season (and postseason) along with good minor league numbers but he’s no Prince Fielder. You might be right though, Fielder might be excessive for the Rangers especially with Moreland there.

    I would say Boston is a good fit for Fielder but Theo values defense too much to play Fielder everyday at first.

    What about the Nationals? They have the money and could use another bat.
    —————————

    Nats would probably be more likely to re-sign Adam Dunn or go after Carlos Pena than bring in Prince

    If I’m Greenberg and Ryan and I’ve lost Lee I make a huge push for Grienke and see what I can do to get Fausto Carmona from the Indians.

    I’m also curious whether or not they bring back Vladdy or if he up and retires. If he retires, Manny would be an interesting DH candidate for them.

  12. Patrick November 2nd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    blake,

    Same here. Even if we didn’t have Teixeira, Montero or Laird. (I see Montero and/or Laird as maybe being able to play 1B). Prince is a full-time DH waiting to happen

  13. Rich in NJ November 2nd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Pass on Prince…except the artist.

  14. JM November 2nd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    # blake November 2nd, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I would want no part of Prince longterm…..
    _________________________

    I wouldn’t either. And in the same vein, I think the Phillies were stupid to give Ryan Howard the deal he got, too.

  15. LGY November 2nd, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    “Anyway, Greinke’s year was not a good one; his performance did go down from 2009 and even his 2008 was better, from a quick glance at the stats on Baseball-Reference.com. So, which is the real Greinke? 2009? Or 2010 and 2008, which were more ordinary? i think that’s the real reason nobody wants to trade Montero for him.”

    —————————————————————–

    In 2008, Greinke had the 10th lowest ERA in the AL and the 8th lowest FIP.

    This past year his ERA was obviously down, but his FIP was the 7th lowest in the AL (lower than CC).

    This does not tell the whole story, but I believe posters on here are seriously underselling Greinke’s 2008 and 2010.

  16. Patrick November 2nd, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Chip,

    Yeah you are probably right about the Rangers. They definitely would need an ace to fill the void after Lee signs with the Yanks. I think Vlad retires, he looks done to me. Manny with the Rangers? That’s a good thought…

    I too think Dunn will re-sign with the Nats, not sure about Pena. He will want to go to a “winner”. I think Pena will re-sign with the Rays actually…

  17. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Some Greenberg/Taco Bell commercial fun from the guys at the ” It Is High” blog.

    http://i55.photobucket.com/alb.....allupa.jpg

  18. Doreen November 2nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    I tell myself that I take everything the Yankees management/ownership says for public consumption with a grain of salt, but for the first time I got a little chill thinking that negotiations with Derek Jeter could get sticky.

  19. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Patrick

    That’s the other thing, I don’t know that any team is going to be thrilled with the prospect of trading for Prince and then having to lock him up knowing he’s going to go all Jason Giambi on them in a few years.

  20. Chip November 2nd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    alright folks, quitting time.

    If you haven’t voted…get out there and do so.

  21. Cashman needs to go November 2nd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    I’d give jeter 15 million for 3 years (with a 4th year option) at 15 million per…the first year he gets 10 million thus freeing up enough money to sign whomever they need and still stay within budget, the second year he gets 20 million (with posada’s 15 million gone and they’d still have more of posada’s money to use) the 3rd year he gets 15 million (with rivera’s 15 mill or so also possibly freed up to go and sign more free agents)

    give pettite 8 million (freeing up like 4 million) with a retirement clause that pays him 5 million for 3 years in appearances from 2012 – 2014….if you want to be competitive AND stay withing budget you’ll need to be creative in ways to get what you want and still pay your warriors what they deserve…

  22. Rich in NJ November 2nd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    “I tell myself that I take everything the Yankees management/ownership says for public consumption with a grain of salt, but for the first time I got a little chill thinking that negotiations with Derek Jeter could get sticky.”

    It as much on Jeter as the Yankees. Reality says that a paycut is in order give his season. He needs to be aware of that.

  23. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Does Fielder hang out with Sandoval, Molina, Joba and Feinsand ?

  24. Ruby Tuesday November 2nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Today is the day we decide a bunch of “average” Americans are better suited to rule this country than “the best and the brightest” ?

    Is that it ?

  25. I Like Inge November 2nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Andy $8 million after his season w/$5mil in incentives. I laugh at that if I’m him. Give me my $13 million guaranteed.

  26. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Chip:

    Quitting time ? ? ? Your fingers finally tired ? ? You have been on a roll.

  27. Jerkface November 2nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Andy isn’t getting 13 mil guaranteed

  28. Doreen November 2nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    LGY -

    It’s very difficult for me to figure out what kind of pitcher Greinke is. Obviously, pitching for The Royals, his W/L records is not a reliable indicator. So, I look at ERA, I look at ERA+, even though I barely understand it, and I see 205 in his Cy Young Year and 100 this year and I think that’s a serious regression. His walks were okay. His strikeouts were about 60 less in 2008 and 2010. His WHIP was about .2 higher in 2008 and 2010 as well.

    It gets a little annoying, because every time I think I get a handle on the statistics and look at what I think are a wide variety of statistics, someone throws another one out there that supposedly negates everything else I looked at.

    His 2009 was ridiculously good. His 2008 and 2010 weren’t nearly as good. I’m not saying he’s not a good pitcher. I’m saying I don’t think the Yankees should trade Montero for him. He pitches in a less-pressurized situation in a weaker division, for one. Fair or not, he does come with some baggage that may or may not translate well to the bigger stage. He’s had one great year and 2 I guess what would be considered good years.

    He’s not a slam dunk.

  29. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Maybe it’s just just me or maybe I haven’t been paying attention in the past but does anybody else think there seems to be an extraordinarily high percentage of morons/lunatics running for office these days?

    I’m not even referring to one party… just politicians in general.

  30. Jerkface November 2nd, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Greinke as a 3.75-4 ERA pitcher doesn’t merit handing over Montero.

  31. disco stu November 2nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    “Really, Jeter’s contract is the big one. If he is reasonable in his demands ($15 mil or so), we could probably squeeze Lee and our own FAs in at the budget, while not signing anyone else. If he’s not, then we have to cut corners elsewhere.”

    I was thinking about this issue regarding Jeter and I was wondering if there is some way that the Yankees can essentially compensate Derek Jeter two different ways:

    Pay him fair market value for his position, age, and performance (which is closer to 10 million per year at this point) … and … pay him for the instrinsict value he brings to the Yankees brand … call it a signing bonus or a consultant fee, whatever … something where the Yankees can pay Jeter for the intangible quality he brings to the Yankees and their brand. If so, then why would that 2nd stream of paying him have to be applied to roster payroll? They could reallocate their funds, pay him a handsome sum of money for all he has meant to the team, and keep payroll down at the same time … which frees up more money to use for the roster.

    I’m sure the Yankees organization has superior accountants who can figure out a way to have Derek Jeter paid for off-the-field services and not have it applied to roster payroll.

  32. I Like Inge November 2nd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    You wouldn’t ask for $13 million? I would after that season and playoff performance. I wouldn’t sign for $8million with $5 million deferred for years., nor $10 or $11 mil. If I’m him, I’d want a raise and deservedly so.

  33. Doreen November 2nd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Not to get political, but does anyone else wish there was a “none of the above” option on Election Day????

    :)

  34. EA November 2nd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    wallacematthews
    More Hal on Jeter negotiations: There’s always the possibility that things could get messy

  35. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Perhaps good guy Alex Rodriguez will approach the Steinbrenners with a way to defer a portion of his contract, to allow the Yankees to stay within payroll and make the necessary signings and deals to bring the Yankees and A-Rod his second ring!!

  36. Carl November 2nd, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    # Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Perhaps good guy Alex Rodriguez will approach the Steinbrenners with a way to defer a portion of his contract, to allow the Yankees to stay within payroll and make the necessary signings and deals to bring the Yankees and A-Rod his second ring!!

    Players association would say hell no.

  37. LGY November 2nd, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Doreen,

    I agree. Greinke is definitely not a slam dunk and there is not clear answer anywhere out there about what kind of pitcher he will be going forward or what he has done so far.

    That goes more to my point earlier today about the way Greinke is spoken about on here. He just turned 27. It is not easy to get a solid handle on what most pitchers will be or have been following their age 26 season.

    My posts about Greinke say nothing about whether I think the Yankees should acquire him.

    I just think Greinke is being undersold on here and his age being disregarded. There is a lot of talent there to the point where he is talented enough to be the best pitcher in baseball as we saw in 2009, so I understand the posters that want to give up a lot to get him.

  38. Betsy November 2nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Hal was terrific……..I loved what he had to say about Greenberg’s comments and how Hal wanted an apology not just to him, but to the Yankee fans.

    He made it quite clear that Jeter/Mo will be offered what the Yankees think they are worth and not much more.

    How the Yankees can sign Lee and keep their payroll the same is beyond me unless some trades are made……..Swisher?

  39. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Cashman needs to go
    November 2nd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    You down in SoCal ?

  40. LGY November 2nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Also, I agree. I would not trade Montero for Greinke. I said a few weeks ago I would consider it, but I am off that train.

  41. Melk Man November 2nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Aside from getting a paycut, Jeter also must be made aware that he could hit lower in the order next year.

    But from a money standpoint… if Jeter tries to hold them up, that is when things could get ugly. Hal’s statements today should not be lost on Jeter.

  42. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Doreen-

    None of the above works for me. Should have used the other on my absentee ballot to write in “none of the above.”

    Look at this attached Daily News Dump him or Keep him with regards to certain players like A-Rod.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....index.html

  43. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Betsy;

    Javy, Nick the Sick, Jeter, Mo, Andy all payroll coming off.

    Resign Jeter, Mo and Andy for a bit less than last yer and there is money for Lee.

    Javy and Nicky Sickly is approx. $ 16 mil right there.

  44. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Hail Mary full of grace the lord be with me……………………………please make the Grienke crap shoot go away.

    Amen.

  45. Betsy November 2nd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Ok so we get Lee – and then what? Phil and Joba will get raises; there isn’t going to be a whole lot in the coffer for players other than Lee…………but who knows? Hal is very competitive and if there’s a player out there that he thinks and that Cash thinks is necessary, I’m sure he’ll consider it.

    Chip, I don’t agree. When your GM says your prized young pitcher is not going to see MLB action until September and then he’s brought up, for whatever reason, that’s rushing him. Whatever it is, Phil was very unfortunate with his injuries and they set him back.

  46. have a cigar November 2nd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Hopefully this puts to bed once-and-for-all the idea that Derek is going to get $20-25M/year.

    Of course he deserves more than market value for the legacy he has established, but A-Rod type money at this point in his career? That would be fiscally irresponsible.

  47. Mike_Boston November 2nd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Bronx, I think it’s a combination of less education and more media with no rules to cover it. I’m sure there have been tons of total morons in the past, look at Dan Quayle for example, but there was no You-Tube, twitter, message boards, etc…to see this stupidity quickly at your own leisure. Parties didn’t have their own television networks to constantly air this stuff. Also you had much more respect in terms of the media and what they would keep to themselves, now it’s anything goes.
    The things you can read/hear about today is probably 1000x more available than in the past. The fact that someone like Christine O’Donnell can say some of the things she’s said and be taken seriously is frankly hard to fathom. In case anyone doesn’t know she actually asked, on Bill Maher’s old TV show, that if monkey’s really did evolve why don’t we see them evolving in front of our eyes, like at zoos and in the wild. That’s something you would expect to hear from a 10 year old and have a little laugh at, not someone running for office!!

    http://climateprogress.org/201.....to-humans/

    For the second week in a row, HBO’s Real Time host Bill Maher revealed a previously-unaired clip of Christine O’Donnell on Politically Incorrect. Recall, last week Maher showed a clip of O’Donnell professing to dabble into witchcraft, and pledged to show a new clip of O’Donnell every week until O’Donnell agrees to appear once again on his show.

    So tonight, Maher played a clip from O’Donnell’s appearance on Politically Incorrect on Oct. 15, 1998, in which she professed her view that “evolution is a myth”:

    O’DONNELL: You know what, evolution is a myth. And even Darwin himself –

    MAHER: Evolution is a myth?!? Have you ever looked at a monkey!

    O’DONNELL: Well then, why they — why aren’t monkeys still evolving into humans?

  48. LGY November 2nd, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    In regard to Greinke, let’s just take Josh Johnson for example. Not a perfect comparison but very similar IMO.

    Most posters on here would give up just about anything for the Yankees to get a hold of Josh Johnson.

    2006-2008 was a mixed bag for Johnson where you saw the talent, but was injured a lot.

    2009: At age 25: 209 innings, 3.23 ERA, 3.06 FIP, 1.16 WHIP.

    2010: At age 26: 183 innings, 2.30 ERA, 2.41 FIP, 1.11 WHIP.

    Zack Greinke:

    2008: At age 24: 202 innings, 3.47 ERA, 3.56 FIP, 1.28 WHIP.

    2009: At age 25: 229 innings, 2.16 ERA, 2.33 ERA, 1.07 WHIP.

    Now, lets say Josh Johnson has a bit of a down year in 2011 like Greinke had in 2010. Will his pitching ability be spoken about on here similar to how Greinke is? Just one good year, back-end starter for the Yankees, why would the Yankees trade a lot of talent for him, etc?

  49. jackamir November 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Plan B—– If we don’t get Lee; Crawford in pinstripes and trade for some pitching. Sounds good to me.

  50. have a cigar November 2nd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Not likely to happen, but imagine a defensive outfield consisting of Crawford, Granderson and Gardner.

    Easily the speediest outfield in baseball (maybe ever.)

  51. Yank1 November 2nd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    LGY,

    Good question. I think it comes down to 2 main factors

    1. People misinterpreting Greinke’s comments on playing in NY and basing it off Francessa’s claim that he doesn’t want to play in a big market (which has not been reported anywhere else BTW). They think that he doesn’t want to come here and if he was traded here, it would be Ed Whitson part 2. However, it is based on isolated quotes, from various time periods, that do not explicitly say anything about his willingness to play in NY as well as unconfirmed reports about his NTC list with NY being on it.

    2. People are, without any knowledge of his specific face, misdiagnosing his medical condition and making faulty determinations on his willingness/ability to handle NY.

    His numbers this year are being looked at harshly because of his background, rather than the factors that might have caused it (defense, bad luck, etc.).

  52. Yank1 November 2nd, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    *case

  53. 4time November 2nd, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Vazquez/NJ is only $16 million. That is still $7 mil shot of Lee’s projected AAV. And that isin’t factoring in Joba/Hughes arbitration raises. Don’t Cano, A-Rod, and a couple of other guys have 2011 increases as well?

    Forget extra pieces that Cashman might want… they will probably be over the limit with just Lee, depending on Jeter’s contract. Jeter’s contract is the big key. The more reasonable he is, the easier we can get things done. And he is the only place we can really cut corners because we have the leverage. They are not going to play hardball with Andy and make him take a paycut, same with MO. Not to mention, those guys actually deserve it based on their performance. Jeter does not.

  54. David in Cal November 2nd, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    I liked what Steinbrenner said re Jeter’s contract about both sides needing to be happy. In 2010 Renteria had the same OPS+ as Jeter and looked quicker in the field. He earned $10.5 million. I think that’s what Jeter’s hitting+fielding+baseruning is worth. Regarding Jeter’s intangibles, I just don’t know.

    My guess is that the Yanks would be OK with a premium of a few million, meaning a total around $13 – $15 million/year. I would expect Jeter will want to stay near $22.6 he earned in 2010, and for a substantial number of years. This could be a very messy negotiation, with no guarantee that Jeter will stay with the Yanks. Substantial money is involved.

    E.g., suppose Jeter’s true value is $11 million in 2011, $6 million in 2012, and $3 million in 2013. (This assumes that he’s a poor-fielding, often-injured SS in 2012 and unable to play SS in 2013.) Then a 3-year contract for $60 million would be a waste of $40 million for the Yanks (less whatever Jeter’s intangible value might be.)

    I think Jeter needs the Yanks more than they need him. But, of course, if he goes elsewhere it’s a loss to both Jeter and the Yanks. I hope they come to reasonable terms.

  55. Vineyard Yankee November 2nd, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    4time
    November 2nd, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    I would venture to guess that Cashman and the powers to be have talked all about Lee, Jeter, Mo, Andy etc. Hal said today, ‘we will be active in the FA market’.

    Cashman has his numbers and marching orders. Not to worry Cashman has a plan.

  56. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    If they spend 40 mil on Jeter, Mo & Andy they’d be around 185 mil. And I’d say that 40 mil is the ceiling of the budget for those 3.

    Another 10 mil or less for the arb/min guys.

    They’d have 20-25 mil for free agents?

  57. 108 stitches November 2nd, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Cashman does have a plan and at the same time, he’ll need to be very creative. If it’s in agreement with Jeter, he can back load some of his contract using the money from after 2011 when Posada and Pettitte are gone. The money saved from Nick Johnson, Javy Vasquez and lesser players like Gaudin, Kearns, and Mitre can be used toward the escalating contracts of Granderson, Swisher, and Cano plus the arbitration winnings of Hughes and Chamberlain if he isn’t moved.
    Thankfully, just one more year of Kei Igawa’s $4M contract

  58. RSM November 2nd, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Without debating what Grienke has or hasn’t said, just apply some old fashioned common sense.
    The Guy has social anxiety disorder. New York is indisputably the biggest stage with the greatest pressure to perform. It will cost dearly to aquire him.
    Is there reason for concern?

  59. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Bronx,

    That’s pretty much what I said a couple days ago…if they can sign the ” core 4″ guys at around 40 million then they should be able to fit Lee in without changing the payroll significantly….but there wont be room for much else unless Pettite retires or those guys take lesser deals than expected.

  60. Pat M. November 2nd, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    I have to believe that the blueprint that was drawn up a few years ago had Hughes, Kennedy & Joba being fixtures in the rotation by the 2011 season along with Sabathia…….This is the winter of Cliff Lee since Doc Halladay signed with The Phils……Yanks were going to be players for him since last season…….I’m not holding out for the return of Andy Pettite, as I think the chances are slimmer this time around for him to comeback….Even if he does some how decide in favor to pitch another season, remember he’s missed for than 2/3 rds of the past 2 years……That’s why moving Nova this winter is dicey even with the inking of Lee and the chance that Pettite comes back……Many here have down played the Clemens trial’s effect on Andy, don’t……

  61. ET November 2nd, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    “That’s pretty much what I said a couple days ago…if they can sign the ” core 4? guys at around 40 million then they should be able to fit Lee in without changing the payroll significantly….but there wont be room for much else unless Pettite retires or those guys take lesser deals than expected.”

    Agree. It’s likely going to be Lee and some ST invites. If the Core 3 want to take a little less, we could maybe sneak a bench player or reliever in there, but it looks like Lee will be it.

  62. mick November 2nd, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Doreen November 2nd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Not to get political, but does anyone else wish there was a “none of the above” option on Election Day????
    =================
    How about an “Ignore” button?

  63. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    If Pettite does retire then they would have 12 million or so to either pursue a replacement for him or to improve the team in other areas…..id rather have andy back.

  64. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Pat M,

    Not to stir anything up…but what do you think are the chances that Kemp is made available…..and if so would the Yanks have interest?

  65. Doreen November 2nd, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    LGY -

    I think the opposition to Greinke (or passion of the opposition) is in direct proportion to the passion of the “lust” for Greinke. ;)

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    I think if you count given 2011 salaries for:

    ARod – Sabathia – Teixeira – Burnett – Posada – Cano – Swisher – Granderson – Marte – Gardner – Robertson – Logan – Pena – Cervelli and Igawa.

    For FA’s add 18 mil for Jeter – 15 mil for Mariano – 11 mil – for Pettitte – 2 mil for Joba (arb) – and 4 mil for Hughes (arb).

    (Losing Aceves, Johnson, Vazquez, Thames, Mitre, Gaudin).

    You total $200,514,050

    Last year’s payroll was $213,359,389

    That leaves $14,845,339 if there is no increase.

  67. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Correction typo – $12,845,339

  68. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Who needs options? pfft. The right to vote? Let’s not have elections. Democracy is a bad idea. It’s better to let the corporations that control all of our essential services to make all the important decisions for our own well-being. Food, energy, housing, banking. Let them have their monopolies over us. The last thing a huge multibillion dollar industry cares about is their own profits. They will treat us right. Fully trust them not to try to exploit us or destroy or water, air and land like they do over in China with all the sweat shops and forced child labor.

  69. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    I say, if the free market says slavery is fine, then slavery is the way to go.

    And while they’re at it, they have every right to destroy planet Earth as well.

  70. Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Keep the political crap off this forum.

  71. Doreen November 2nd, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    mick -

    “Ignore” would work, too. :)

  72. Carl November 2nd, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Where is Aceves going?

  73. Bret The Hitman November 2nd, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    We can use the Constitution as toilet paper.

  74. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    144 million (2011 commitments)
    40 million (Jeter, Rivera, Pettite)
    9 million (arbitration raises….guestimate)

    That equals about 193 million…..meaning they would have about 20 million to spend on Lee to stay at last year’s budget.

  75. Pat M. November 2nd, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Blake….The whole LA Dodger thing is a mess….The McCourts have leverage so much of the teams equity the past few years that they’re upside down financially….However they do own the very valuable property that is Chavez Ravine and Frank has talked about developing some of the prized land that overlooks Downtown LA……MLB might have to run the club until the divorce crap is settled…..Selig should never have pushed to give McCourt the proud LA Franchise…..Kemp did not have the real break out season that many expected for in 2010…..He’s a huge talent ( much like Cano ) who is due to have his star explode on the scene…..He’s not a natural CF, put him in right with his rifle arm and watch him hit 35 hr’s and steal 50 bases……He could be had for the right offer

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Blake anyone else arb except Joba and Hughes? I think $9 mil is high, no?

  77. SJ44 November 2nd, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    FYI: Manny B, Laird, Romine, and my nephew all made the AFL All Star Team announced today.

    The game is going to be Saturday night and the MLB Network is showing it live at 9pm.

  78. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Pat M,

    From a Yankee POV…what could be a right offer? In.other words…what do you think it would take?

  79. Pat M. November 2nd, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Mr. Franco, by the way I meant to congratulate you on your great health and you are my comeback player of the year…….

  80. Doreen November 2nd, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    SJ44

    Great news all around! Congratulations and thanks.

  81. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    WCYF,

    I thought Gardner was but he’s not….that may be a little high then. Probably more like 6 or 7 million.

  82. Pat M. November 2nd, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    SJ, great news on The Nephew !!!!! Blake, I’m guessing something like what it took to get Granderson or a tad less……..Not rreally my strong suit….CB, SJ, Face are better suited to answer that……Wave is good at trade propsals also……

  83. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    SJ,

    That’s great news….ill have to set the DVR.

  84. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Bret,

    Just vote for Greinke…you’ll feel better.

    Does anybody have any idea what kind of $$$ Phil is due through arb?

  85. blake November 2nd, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Pat M,

    That’s fine…thanks.for the input.

  86. Giuseppe Franco November 2nd, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Thanks, Pat. Much appreciated.

    Way cool, SJ. Congrats to Tony. Sounds like he’s doing very well since his injuries.

    Now I have some baseball to watch on Sat night.

  87. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Blake – Yes, I figured $6 million, $2 mil for Joba and $4 mil for Hughes and that may be a little high.

  88. KevinP November 2nd, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    What is option B if they don’t sign Lee? I know they need him (what team doesn’t) but I prefer he went elsewhere just out of principle.

  89. Pat M. November 2nd, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    KevinP….Sign Crawford and move Garrdner / Swisher / Granderson and some spare parts

  90. KevinP November 2nd, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Pat,

    It’s all pitching, Crawford has nothing to do with Cliff Lee. Who else is available ?

  91. Jerkface November 2nd, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    hiroki kuroda, another japanese righty is being posted, they could take a shot at jorge de la rosa

  92. West Coast Yankee Fan November 2nd, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Blake you left out some players in your $144 total I think. Robertson, Logan, Peña, Cervelli. Also do you think $40 mil for Jeter, Mo and Pettitte might be low?

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