How many years for Derek Jeter?
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 03, 2010 
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The past few days, most of the conversation about Derek Jeter’s upcoming contract has centered on dollars, not years.
The guesswork seems to begin around $20 million: He’s either coming back at that number, or for a little less, or maybe a little more. No one seems to be guessing too far from that figure.
But the years matter, too.
Today, Jon Heyman wrote that there are some in baseball who believe Jeter will look for as many as six years. Heyman believes the Yankees will offer three. Personally, I’ve been expecting three or four.
How many years is Jeter worth? Could the dollar figure drop so low that the Yankees would be willing to go six or more?
Associated Press photo
I would be plesantly surprised by 3; I fully expect 4; I would roll my eyes at 5 but learn to live with it.
3 is reasonable. 6 is ridiculous.
3/40
My guess: he’ll get 4 years
Mutual option on a fourth.
Chip November 3rd, 2010 at 4:18 pm
I would be plesantly surprised by 3; I fully expect 4; I would roll my eyes at 5 but learn to live with it
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Agree on all 3 points.
That Chad! He actually reads his own blog! lol
Chip
There is no way there is any significant adverse affect on ticket sales as long as the Yankees keep winning.
It is not about the suits vs Derek. It is Derek vs the Yankees and the Yankees are far bigger than Derek.
If the Yankees give this guy $20 million a year at this point in their career they are crazy.
I realize that he is the face of the franchise…he’s my favorite Yankee and has been for several years. There is no disputing that he is an HOFer.
But $20 million/year to a singles hitter?
I know I’ll hear the whole “but he is the Yankees, he is their brand, etc.” and I realize his importance.
I guess I’d just like to think that this guy, of all people, would be willing to take a fair pay cut and leave the team with the opportunity to spend money on making the organization better as a whole.
I’d offer him 3 years at $45 and not a penny more.
BloggingBombers The money they’ll make off of merchandise/promotions surrounding Jeter’s 3,000th hit alone will be enormous for the Yankees.
3 yrs/$51M
Don’t worry CBean, he’s not getting 6. And don’t bother worrying abount unnamed sources who float that crap out there.
Aw hell, it’s The Captain … Let’s bump it to 3/45.
Jeter is not getting 4 years.
3 years, maybe 2 with an option.
I really need to go home. I’ve just given myself my third paper cut today. I’m running out of band-aids.
Common sense says the Yanks aren’t going to give Derek Jeter a 4 year/$80M deal when Derek is coming off his by far worst season at age 36.
Money means something. What you spend on one player can’t be spent on another. Do you think the Yanks have a Derek Jeter lockbox with $80M socked away in it? You think they will take that money out and burn it if they don’t have Jeter?
I honestly dont understand why people even care about this. What Jeter and Mo and Pettitte get (as well as that awful deal Arod has) is not going to stop them from getting the CC’s and Lee’s of the world.
Chip
I Jeter ends his career anywhere else and he gets his 3000th hit in a different uniform his legacy will be seriously impacted as well as his brand and earning power post retirement.
The Yankees is they win are popular regardless of who is on the field.
Derek would be hurt far worse.
I would be shocked if Jeter signed for 3 years – no way. I am guessing it could be as much as 4 for $80m. I think the Yankees will successfully stay below 6 years and are likely to stay below 5 if they overpay per annum. Maybe he would do 4 for 60 or 5 for 80, but I am guess closer to 4 for 80, with the knowledge that they would be massively overpaying.
Jeter is not getting 20 million for 4 years.
Just for fun
Would you rather have Lee and Crawford or Lee and Jeter?
Hal’s positioning on the radio laid it out, ‘its a business’. Jeter will get 3 years and les than 20 mil per.
The more I think about what someone else brought up, the more I have to wonder if ARod’s contract will have some bearing on Derek’s, or more precisely, on what Jeter might be looking for.
Well, I don’t know. I know it’s a hot topic and I know it’s hard to stay away from speculation on it, but I think I might find myself a little nook where I can hide until it’s all done. Because I don’t know what more can be said that hasn’t been said all year long, even going back to last season, and at the present time.
No matter what is said, we won’t know until it’s done. And I can only hope it gets done fairly quickly with no leaks and no rumors. So that’s why I need to find a hinding place, because it’s a hopeless cause.
CountryClub,
I disagree. I’ve personally noticed a bit more stability in the payroll department over the past year or two in the sense that they will go out on a limb to address certain needs (CC, AJ, Tex) but are doing everythign in their power to hover around $200-210 million (see Damon, Matsui).
I agree that fans shouldn’t get too worked up about this because I think we all know that Jeter and Mo will be back one way or another.
You can break the bank where necessary, but they do have limitations.
How many times have the Yankees turned the page on aging stars? Dozens. For as great as Jeter has been to the Yankees, the Yankees have been equally as great to him.
Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Jeter is not getting 20 million for 4 years
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I actually think that’s about right. It may be 18 or 19 mil a yr, but I think it’s going to be right around 20…and I do expect the 4 years.
Lee and Jeter w/ Gardner in LF
I said it before and I’ll keep on saying it until this deal is done: Do Not Worry About It.
The Derek deal and the Mariano deal are going to have no impact on any other free agents. Cashman and Hal have been prepared for this day since the start of the 2010 season and they have a plan in place.
My guess is that they’ve already come to the conclusion that they are going to have to overpay Jeter both in terms of dollars and years and they’ve factored that into the budget.
If, for example, the budget that Hal gave Brian for the 2011 squad is 220 mil, there’s an extra 5-10 mil on the side based on where Jeter’s contract comes out.
Do you really believe that the Yankees, as methodical as they are in these things, haven’t thought this through completely?
CountryClub – Couldn’t agree more.
“I’ve just given myself my third paper cut today”
workers’ comp.
The ARod deal was highway robbery and a terrible business decision. With that, I will say that I love having him on our team.
I would go 3 years / 55 million for Jeter. It’s overpaying but it’s probably necessary.
Jeter and his agent won’t be stupid enough to demand 5 or 6 years. Cashman would call their bluff and tell them to go find that deal some place else. Which is impossible because nobody would offer Jeter 5 or 6 years.
The Yankees business model is to consistently win more than anyone else. Having homegrown players who have been part of that model for many years and have thus attained legendary status is also beneficial. However, the latter pales in comparison to the former. As an outsider with limited knowledge of the situation, I don’t see how giving Jeter a 4-6 year deal @ $20M per would be good business. Like everyone else here, I’d love to see Jeter play like he did in ’09 for the rest of his life. Unfortunately, in two of the past three seasons we’ve seen Jeter post arguably the worst seasons of his career. The fact that this occurred during his mid-30s probably isn’t a coincidence. Jeter set an incredibly high standard for himself, so his worst isn’t exactly something to scoff at. By the same token, it’s not something the Yankees should pay more for than the prime years of his career. Jeter didn’t average $20M/yr on his last deal and he certainly shouldn’t on his next deal.
Jeter is looking for 80 million? I’ve got no problem with that – give him a 40 year contract for 80 million dollars….i don’t think there’s a rule against that is there? That frees up 18 million on his contract alone to use to get both lee, crawford and a 3rd high price free agent…problem solved..
as someone who has to fill out the employer portion of workers’ comp forms…NO…just put a muppet band aid on it
Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Hal’s positioning on the radio laid it out, ‘its a business’. Jeter will get 3 years and les than 20 mil per.
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It’s called posturing and all businessmen do it.
He doesn’t want to give the impression that they’re handing Derek a blank check.
Derek will come in asking for 6 years 20-25 per. The Yankees will say, “20′s no problem but you need to work with us on years.” Derek will say 5, Yankees will say 3, sides will settle on 4.
BloggingBombers Folks, if Jeter gets $20 million a year, it doesn’t change much payroll-wise. He’s been making at least $20M for each of the past 4 seasons.
BloggingBombers It’s not like Jeter will be getting a $20 million RAISE. The payroll situation will be the same when Jeter, Rivera and Pettitte re-sign.
WYH -
Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a Derek Jeter piggy bank (or as you said, lock box) – where they’ve been putting money aside for just this occasion, which everyone knew was coming.
There is no way the NY Yankees are going to allow Derek Jeter to get his 3,000th hit for any other team. He would be the first Yankee in history to reach that number. The Yankees are all about history and legacy and records and monuments and plaques.
When people talk about his negotiation as if it was just another aging free agent, I don’t think they get it.
And, again, as far as Hal’s interviews on the radio yesterday – no way is he going to say Derek Jeter gets what Derek Jeter wants. (He may, but Hal would be a fool to say so.)
Chip I bet you a plate of brownies Jeter gets less than 4 years.
How many people here like AJ’s contract?
Well, suppose the Yanks give Derek a 4 year, $80M deal, and instead of bouncing back as we all hope he does, he proceeds to hit .250/.320/.350/.670, or worse?
Then everyone will be saying “how could the Yanks have given Derek that deal”? Talk about blowback.
hardwired7 November 3rd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
?I’ve just given myself my third paper cut today?
workers? comp.
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That might be stretching it a bit.
Everyone is pointing to $20 million as the mark, but since Jeter has only been making around $18.9 million (ONLY! *faints*) he might not be dissatisfied with a flat $18 million. Dude must know he didn’t have a great season, I’m not sure he asks for a raise here.
tk,
I agree COMPLETELY.
upstate kate November 3rd, 2010 at 4:31 pm
as someone who has to fill out the employer portion of workers? comp forms?NO?just put a muppet band aid on it
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Great suggestion. A Muppet band-aid always makes everything better.
I agree that they have a budget. And i agree that what Jeter makes will factor into it. But I don’t agree with people who think that they should be spending 250 mil (there were numerous people on this borad that cried about Hal being “cheap” this yr).
I also don’t agree that if they gave Jeter 13 mil instead of 20, that they would would have 7 mil more to spend on someone else. The Yankees have no openings on their team. they need a stud pitcher to line up with CC, other than that, there are no real changes coming. The outfield is good and relatively young. The infield is set. The catcher will be replaced from within. Giving Jeter 18-20 this yr is not going to change how the 2011 team is built.
If pettitte doesnt come back, they’ll have his money to use to find another pitcher (through trade most likely).
I think the “potential” gap between what Jeter might want and what the club might be willing to offer might be problematic. Hence, the need to lay everything on the table and allow the agents, lawyers and accountants to be creative.
It’s not etched in stone that an agreement has to be a cut and dry standard pay for play baseball contract. Jeter’s iconic status and value to the franchise should allow for thinking outside the square.
Whether it’s a bonus, deferred monies, a personal services contract after retirement, incentives for performance on the field or for reaching historical milestones, etc. There should be a way to create a win-win for both sides.
Country club, chip,
Totally agree. I think both sides are too.smart to allow this to be an issue.
Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Chip I bet you a plate of brownies Jeter gets less than 4 years
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Deal!
But these better be some good brownies.
Cashman needs to go
November 3rd, 2010 at 4:31 pm
I love posts like that. It keeps my day in perspective and put a smile on my face. Good job.
Can’t have on field performance incentives. Only things such as games played/innings pitched/plate appearances
As bad as Jeter was this year, he was still the third most valuable SS in the AL. If this wasn’t Derek Jeter but just some guy with those numbers, he’d still get significant money on the open market. That’s why I think you can live with 3 years of Jeter, even if he doesn’t bounce back to 2009 levels. My guess is that he will be somewhere between 2010 and 2009 numbers for the next few seasons. Sign him up for 3 years and both sides are (hopefully) happy.
Doreen-
I very much doubt there’s a “lockbox” full of money, but if there were, I ask again, if Jeter went elsewhere would they take the money out and burn it?
Of course not. They would buy other assets. The question is always, what can I do best with the money?
When the Yanks stop asking that question, they will stop making the post-season.
Does anyone want to start betting what week the contract gets signed? I already miss GTLU even though I only won once and quit shortly after lol
CountryClub:
If the Yankees sign Lee and Andy retires my guess is that the rotation will be:
CC, Lee, Hughes, AJ, Nova.
Everyone can say, and is going to say, whatever they want to say. It has nothing to do with the reality of what the Yankees do.
You don’t have to like AJs contract or ARods contract or anyone else’s contract. You can complain about them all you want. But it doesn’t change things. And the Yankees will continue to do business the way they see fit.
As long as they continue to put a winning team (and by winning, I mean contending) on the field every year, why should anyone care what it costs them?????
Maybe I’m alone on this island, but I don’t really care about Jeter’s 3000th hit. I care about him adding a 6th, 7th, and 8th ring to his hands over the life of his next contract.
I don’t care about Pettitte being the winningest postseason pitcher, I don’t care about Mariano being the best closer ever, or about ARod being on the cusp of hitting 650*, 700*, or 800* home runs.
I care about rings, pennants, and trophies with lots of flags.
Patrick, Jeter had the same WAR as guys like Alex Gonzalez, Marco Scutaro, and less than guys like Juan Uribe. How much are those guys going to get on the open market? 6 mil like Scutaro?
Those guys don’t get anywhere near 15 mil, let alone 20 mil a year. If Jeter were not ‘Jeter’ he would be getting a 1 or 2 year deal for beans.
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WCYF:
I don’t think Hal will be an active participant in the jeter and Mo contracts. Cashman has his marching orders and will proceed, when the contract gets down to the nitty gritty Hal will have to sign off on it.
Bottom line is Cashman knows the plan, handles all the grunt work and will be the buffer between Jeter / Mo. Hal is a smart guy and doesn’t want to be in the middle if the grenade goes off.
Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Can’t have on field performance incentives. Only things such as games played/innings pitched/plate appearances.
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Whatever they may be, the objective would be to sweeten the pie for Jeter in creative ways.
Shame Spencer November 3rd, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Does anyone want to start betting what week the contract gets signed? I already miss GTLU even though I only won once and quit shortly after lol
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I’ll start!
This is probably being way too optimistic, but I’ll say the week after Thanksgiving. (week of 11/29)
Chip,
I think that’s probably the obvious guess for the rotation. However I do think there’s an off chance Joba sneaks in there (that is, if Lee signs and Andy retires).
Unfortunately for Chamberlain I think Lee and Pettitte both sign with the Yanks.
Chip, it’s possible that they might try to fill that 5th spot with a kid. But I do think they would explore the trade market first.
However, I expect Andy to come back for one more yr.
Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 4:32 pm
I didn’t know we were talking brownies here!! LOL! I believe Jeter gets more years and less dollars per year. I suspect 4 years $15M/yr for total of $60M. Maybe they reduce it some & give a big bonus for 3000 hits.
Vineyard Yankee November 3rd, 2010 at 4:38 pm
WCYF: I don’t think Hal will be an active participant in the jeter and Mo contracts. Cashman has his marching orders and will proceed, when the contract gets down to the nitty gritty Hal will have to sign off on it.
Bottom line is Cashman knows the plan, handles all the grunt work and will be the buffer between Jeter / Mo. Hal is a smart guy and doesn’t want to be in the middle if the grenade goes off.
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It will be Hal that says yea or nay and everyone knows that. Right?
I agree that Andy will be back for one more year. I think that after next season he, Mariano and Jorge all retire.
WYH -
Of course if Jeter walked they’d use the money elsewhere.
But they’re not going to let Jeter walk.
BloggingBombers Posada’s $13.1M comes off the books after 2011. As does Igawa’s $4M. Pettitte and Rivera will retire eventually.
Chip
November 3rd, 2010 at 4:36 pm
CountryClub:
If the Yankees sign Lee and Andy retires my guess is that the rotation will be:
CC, Lee, Hughes, AJ, Nova
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Chip, I think that Nova is a reach based on his never being able to get out of the 5th inning in 2010. Was it once or twice that he made it past the 5th ? Just askin. IMO, a ST cat fight for that number five spot.
Patrick,
Joba will never start a game again for the Yankees unless he is an emergency starter. That ship has sailed…at least in New York.
The Yankees built Frankenstein’s monster and now have to deal with it.
They made the best Yankee the Captain and the face of the franchise but the best Yankee was never the best baseball player so his worth continues on after his skills diminish and makes what is a fair contract very debatable.
Unlike Pavano and Igawa, the Yankees will get value from whatever deal they agree to with Derek so quibbling over $10-$20 M is short sighted.
Yankee management ultimately controls what product they put on the field no matter the years and dollars they agree to now.
Jerkface,
Yeah he’d get Scutaro money which isn’t that bad. But DJ’s previous track record, and the chance that he gets back to that (or somewhere close) is worth the extra money. Also we can’t really guess how much Jeter is worth to the Yankees off the field.
I have no problem whatsoever with the amount of money Jeter gets, my concern is the years. 3 years is good, 6 years would be disastrous.
Six years is crazy. I would prefer two, but I know thats probably unrealistic. I am expecting four, but hoping for three years.
RiverAveBlues I hope the S/W-B Yanks hold a farewell tour for their winningest pitcher in history in 2011. #igawa
Joba will never start a game again for the Yankees unless he is an emergency starter. That ship has sailed…at least in New York.
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Are you Brian Cashman? If no, then you can’t be so positive about this.
“If Jeter were not ‘Jeter’ he would be getting a 1 or 2 year deal for beans.”
Jerkface – I get what your saying to some degree but whenever I hear this argument I inevitably say to myself, “But he IS Jeter!”
Jeter IS Jeter.
Jeter is Jeter. Jeter is not Scutaro, or any “other” shortshop.
Jeter is Jeter, and all that that means to the New York Yankees.
Whatever Jeter is worth off the field will continue to generate money. Jeter leaving the team doesn’t mean shirts won’t be sold, or Jerseys. They still sell Mantle jersies. I think the difference between Jeter as a yankee going forward vs not in terms of intangibles isn’t as much as everyone says, because like I say people aren’t just going to drop the Yankees if Jeter isn’t on the team.
I mentioned the other day if it was feasible where the Yankees pay Jeter a salary that is based on his market value – for arguement’s sake, 10 million per year. And then pay him separately for what his value has been, is, and will continue to be for the Yankee brand.
If there was a way they could do that and not have the secondary compensation count toward player payroll, then the Yankee orgnanization can simply reallocate their funds and pay him in two separate ways. This way the money they save by not having to apply 18-22 million per year for Jeter’s next contract can be used for other areas like signing Lee and maybe another FA.
Does anybody know if under the current CBA if a signing bonus counts toward payroll? If not, then the Yankees could just give Jeter a huge bonus and pay him less in salary.
Jeter IS Jeter, so they will overpay, but it does not mean he deserves or should get his current salary. Every big star has had to deal with declining salaries in their old age. Jeter will be overpaid given what he gives the team, but he does not need to be overpaid by 1000%
Scutaro gets 6 mil, its fair for Jeter to accept 15 mil.
I’ll just be glad when Jeter’s deal is done so that some of you can get some sleep and begin to let the stomach ulcers heal.
Erin – I’m going to be even more optimistic and say it gets done by the weekend of 11/19-11/21.
Jerkface,
I guarantee you that Jeter on the team will generate more money than Jeter not on the team. Him getting to 3000 hits alone will be huge for the Yankees.
Patrick November 3rd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Joba will never start a game again for the Yankees unless he is an emergency starter. That ship has sailed…at least in New York.
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Are you Brian Cashman? If no, then you can’t be so positive about this.
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I’m not going to make a positive pronouncement on it – but I don’t think it’s a road the Yankees are prepared to go down again.
At this point I think the Yankees believe:
A) The end of the road is near for Mariano
B) They have a lot of good young pitchers on the horizon
They’ll hope Andy returns and if not they will muddle through with Nova or Noesi until one of the higher end guys like Phelps, or the B-Boys are ready and let Joba focus on being the best bloody reliever he can be so that he might be able to take over for Mo
Shame Spencer -
I see we have the same silent voice!
Without Derek the Yank SS picture looks pretty bleak in 2010, so he has plenty of leverage even leaving brand value aside.
But the Yanks pay him $80M over the next four years, be prepared for fourth place in the AL East in 2013 and 2014.
Regarding Joba, IMO, he doesn’t have the velocity, command, or demeanor to be an effective starter in the AL East. Could he improve and become one? Sure, it’s possible.
But since when have the New York Yankees shown long-term patience with struggling pitchers? It’s win now around here.
Patrick November 3rd, 2010 at 4:38 pm
It is possible that Andy comes in around June or July and Joba gets the SP till then. That would also give protection in case anyone gets hurt!
“Him getting to 3000 hits alone will be huge for the Yankees.”
Cashman did say he puts no monetary value on milestones, for what that is worth.
West Coast Yankee Fan
November 3rd, 2010 at 4:40 pm
It will be Hal that says yea or nay and everyone knows that. Right?
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I would think that Hal has the hammer. Cashman has the plan and the parameters of what to do. Unless Jeter’s demands are way out of line this should get done quickly, imo. Hal will be waiting in his office with his pen ready.
How will Jeter generate revenue for the yankees by getting 3000 hits?
“Jeter IS Jeter, so they will overpay, but it does not mean he deserves or should get his current salary. ”
I don’t think any professional sports player deserves the salary they make. Jeter isn’t robbing anyone.
# Wave Your Hat November 3rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Without Derek the Yank SS picture looks pretty bleak in 2010, so he has plenty of leverage even leaving brand value aside.
But the Yanks pay him $80M over the next four years, be prepared for fourth place in the AL East in 2013 and 2014.
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So a below average SS equals 4th place in the East? LOL give me a break…
I hope Jeter gets as many years as possible. It’s been a joy to watch him play day-in and day-out.
Wave Your Hat November 3rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm
“Him getting to 3000 hits alone will be huge for the Yankees.”
Cashman did say he puts no monetary value on milestones, for what that is worth.
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I’m telling you guys – buying into what these folks are saying in the press is worthless on this one. Cash, Hal, Jeter – they’re all too smart to negotiate through John Heyman or Mike Francessa.
“Do you really believe that the Yankees, as methodical as they are in these things, haven’t thought this through completely?”
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Chip,
Ya know, I have actually said the exact same thing you said several times this season and have had the same attitude as you. However, as Jeter’s pending free agency has gotten closer and I have looked at the Yankees financial commitments over the next several years more closely I have become much more skeptical of that attitude.
Really, what does it mean that the Yankees have thought this through completely? What implications does that really have?
Rational and intelligent people make well researched decisions all the time that turn bad.
When you really examine this idea that the Yankees are prepared for this so Yankee fans shouldn’t worry, it doesn’t mean anything realistically IMO. Unless of course the Yankees are infallible and incapable of making poor decisions. They clearly are not.
It is comforting they have been ready for this day for a while, but in reality it doesn’t mean much as to how this deal will turn out and affect the team.
Law professors have this saying, “Good cases make bad law.”
Right now Jeter may look like a “good case.” He is Derek Jeter, ya know? This is the face of our franchise.
But, 3, 4, 5 years down the line the Yankees may look back and be saying oh sh*t, what did we get ourselves into.
Chip,
I’m fine with that line of thinking and at this point it seems like the Yankees are going to go that route. However, I don’t agree that they should do so and I don’t think it’s as set in stone as Mad Prince thinks.
Doreen – I’m glad I’m not the only one that hears it!
I don’t believe that Jeter himself wants to play past the age of 39. He doesn’t need to. He’ll pass the 3,000 hit mark early next year and won’t stay around long enough to pass Pete Rose’s 4,256 hits.
Over 3 years he can add to his many Yankee records and establish a few others. He can add to his 5 rings. He hasn’t done stupid things with the money he’s earned. His Yankee legacy and HOF credentials are secure, just like Mariano’s.
A three-year deal at $18M per sounds about right.
Jeter will get whatever he wants and he will leave when he wants. He will play SS as long as he wants. He is an iconic player… you trust him to make the right determination of how long he can play and play SS effectively. Whatever # of years he has in mind, give it to him with the understaning that he will call it quits when he is no longer effective.
Think of this like an NFL contract… it is not worth what the paper says it does. Jeter will get paid as long as he is effective and will retire when he is no longer Jeter.
Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm
How will Jeter generate revenue for the yankees by getting 3000 hits?
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Shirts; commemorative plaques and pins stuff like that.
The Yanks will keep Derek the highest paid shortstop in the game……The question will be the length…3 years would be ideal, however 4 is more likely…The A-Rod deal rears it’s head once again
Wave Your Hat November 3rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Yanks need Jeter the next couple of years for sure. I expect a 3rd year and even a 4th he could be viable based on how he does the next 2 years. I don’t believe Jeter would embarrass himself out there & I think he is still very good. I believe Nunez will phase in as the starting SS over the next few years getting more & more playing time each year.
I don’t think Jeter’s contract will in any way affect the Yankee’s team makeup!
Patrick,
No offense, but you’re a fool if you think the Yankees would try that again. He’s had two seasons to try and make prove his ability as a starter and has basically failed to convince the Yankees that he is capable of starting games and providing quality starts.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Joba is playing for another team next season. It goes back to the question: “What have you done for me lately?” Joba has done little to nothing of any serious consideration for the Yankees over the past two seasons. He had one, maybe two good starts in 2009 and has been a shade of his former self as a reliever. Maybe he’s been jerked around too much and if that is the case I am absolutely understanding, but the whole Joba experience, IMO, is quickly approaching “failed experiment”.
How will Jeter generate revenue for the yankees by getting 3000 hits?
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I don’t have intimate knowledge of the Yankees finances, do you? Why did the Yankees give huge incentives to A-rod for breaking HR records if they don’t generate revenue for the team?
Don’t let’s talk about what ANY baseball player DESERVES or SHOULD get. It’s all ridiculous.
BloggingBombers Posada?s $13.1M comes off the books after 2011. As does Igawa?s $4M. Pettitte and Rivera will retire eventually.
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It’s not like the Yankees will get to replace the production of Posada/Pettitte/Rivera for free. Just because the backloaded part of the contract Jeter signed before entering his prime was over $20M doesn’t mean he should get that for age 37-40 after already showing significant signs of decline.
So the yankees are going to generate millions of dollars in revenue with commemorative plaques and pins?
“I don’t think any professional sports player deserves the salary they make.”
You are right. All that money ought to go instead to the billionaire owners so they can stimulate the economy by buying a fifth megamansion somewhere, or better yet, so they can just sit on it.
Cashman did say he puts no monetary value on milestones, for what that is worth.
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He was lying
Sales of re-done Jeter Yankeeographies ALONE after he becomes the FIRST Yankees in history to reach 3,000 hits will bring in a bunch of money.
So the yankees are going to generate millions of dollars in revenue with commemorative plaques and pins?
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I have no damn idea dude, how am I supposed to know unless I know the Yankees finances in and out? But why else would they put those incentives in A-rod’s contract if that stuff doesn’t generate revenue?
I did not mean deserve in the sense of athletes salary blah blah blah, I mean in the grand scheme of short stops in MLB, Jeter does not need to be paid 20 million dollars. His performance does not merit it, and its not like he is in his prime, putting up good seasons with other SSs on the market that are challenging his pay.
He is being challenged right now by guys like Juan Uribe who make 3 million dollars.
Also, for Jeter, getting 3,000 hits is great, but he’s just one of a small group unless he is the ONLY one to EVER do it as a Yankee. Very, very different marketing for HIM as well.
“You are right. All that money ought to go instead to the billionaire owners so they can stimulate the economy by buying a fifth megamansion somewhere, or better yet, so they can just sit on it.’
Lol, actually what I meant was that we should place higher priorities (ie: salaries) on jobs that actually matter (I love the Yankees, but no one our team is curing cancer). But yes, I’m a capitalist so if these guys will play for peanuts I’m fine with that as well.
Jeter will get endorsement money regardless of if he gets 3000 hits.
Does Gillette care if he gets 3000 hits????
So the Yanks are going to lock themselves into a bad deal (3+ years) for the week of attention, revenue, sales, etc. they will get when Jeter is approaching 3,000 hits?
Jerkface – I think what you’re ignoring here is that if Juan Uribe does what he did this year for 10+ years, then he deserves whatever he wants in terms of dollars.
People will pay for consistency.
I would like to add that I don’t think Joba is incapable of returning to the same kind of relief pitcher he was when we first brought him up. I do think he was jerked around too much, especially over the past spring training when he could have just been focusing on being a relief pitcher with a devastating slider. But I think that was a ploy intended to motivate Hughes more than anything else. Just an opinion.
My point is, lets think about Jeter’s revenue.
X = Amount sold if Jeter is on the Team
Y = Amount sold if Jeter is not on the Team
We assume X > Y , but it to mean anything there has to be: X – Jeters Salary > Y – Replacements Salary
Jeter might make the Yankees 5 million in commemorative plaque money, but if it costs them 5 million in wasted money on his contact it doesn’t help.
I find everything talking about Jeter’s ‘intangible tangible benefit’ to the yankees to be dubious.
“Cashman did say he puts no monetary value on milestones, for what that is worth.”
“He was lying.”
Patrick, how could you think such a thing? Such cynicism, I am ashamed of you.
Shame Spencer, I think its safe to say if a player OPS’s .750 for 10 straight years they still aren’t making 10 million dollars.
“I guarantee you that Jeter on the team will generate more money than Jeter not on the team. Him getting to 3000 hits alone will be huge for the Yankees.”
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Not if the product on the field suffers.
The Yankees make money by winning.
LGY -
I think that what the Yankees fear is the worst case scenario with Jeter is what played out with Posada. They signed him to a 4 year deal and almost immediately age caught up with Jorge and now they go into year 4 of the contract essentially with 15 mil of dead weight. They know he can’t catch anymore and he’s going to be clogging up the DH spot all season.
But the Yankees prepared for it. They brought in Montero and Romine, groomed them so that hopefully one of them would be ready to step in when Jorge couldn’t play the position anymore.
I think the Yankees are doing the same thing with Jeter – they know giving him a 3 or 4 year deal is going to be an investment in diminishing returns, so they’re preparing – bringing along kids like Nunez and Corban Joseph so that they can manage Derek’s playing time better, let him have a few extra days DHing…that sort of thing.
As for the overall budgetary impact of the deal down the line, I think they’ll try to manage that too – they’ve done a very good job of cultivating young, talented pitchers – all of whom are on track to hit the bigs over the course of the next 2 or 3 years providing them with either a) young inexpensive talent on the roster or b) the bullets needed to bring in young inexpensive talent from other teams.
Mad Prince,
No sir, the fool is you!
Honestly though dude, calling me a fool is an offense, even if you say “no offense”.
The fact of the matter is, and myself and others said this back in March, Joba can’t pitch as a starter or as a reliever right now. His mechanics are awful and have been since the second half of 2009. It could be that he’s out of shape, injured or that the Yankees jerked him around too much. I think that Cashman and his people aren’t stupid and know this. They also know that he’s more valuable to the team as a starter. I believe that they will either trade him or force him to rework his mechanics with the new pitching coach and then move him back to starting.
The point is, neither of us have inside info and can say with any certainty what route the Yankees will take.
“Does Gillette care if he gets 3000 hits????”
Yes. It raises his Q score.
“People will pay for consistency.”
But Jeter wasn’t consistent in 2010. If he had repeated 2009, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
LGY,
See they would only say that if a bad Jeter contract would cripple.the franchise if it didn’t work out. The reality is that it wouldn’t…..jeter could be awful for the life of the contract and the Yankees could absorb it and move on….sure that wouldn’t be ideal but if they are willing to take that risk as the people paying for it then as a fan I certainly am. They have given no indication in the past that anything will interfere with their goal to win every year….I see no reason to believe that would change.
3 years @ 15 mil/yr.
Done.
Next?
Vineyard Yankee November 3rd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Cashman needs to go
November 3rd, 2010 at 4:31 pm
I love posts like that. It keeps my day in perspective and put a smile on my face. Good job
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You know i was kidding, right? Here’s a more realistic plan, 3 years 60 million (even though he is not worth it at this point of his career)
1st year – 10 million (free up 10 million to sign lee plus whoever and stay within budget))
2nd Year – 15 million (use part of posada’s 13 – 15 million to pay the extra 5 mill and still have enough for raises and to sign another player if needed – you’ll also have pettite’s $ in case he retires)
3rd year – 25 million (have the jeter retirement tour using MO’s money to pay for the extra 10 million plua you’ll have another chunk of money the following year with burnett gone)
4th year – go shopping again with jeter, mo, burnett, posada, igawa, pettite all gone off the books forever- is hanley ramirez a free agent yet this year?
How much money do they Yankees gain each advancement they make in the playoffs?
How much did they make in 2009 by winning the WS?
If Jeter hurts the product on the field, the Yankees stand to lose a lot more money than any gain they make from his marketing power.
My guess is that Jeter plays two more years at SS, before Nunez takes over, and Jeter moves to the outfield or DH.
Omar Vizquel has been one of the better short stops defensively in MLB and has been a consistent offensive producer for over 20 years and the most he ever made in any year was 6 million.
How much did they make in 2009 by winning the WS?
$72M revenue from ticket sales for the 3 rounds + concessions and memoribilia.
The Yankees wont let Jeter sit in the DH position or an outfield position. He’ll move to the bench or retire.
sorry i meant 3 years at 50 million
Patrick –
I don’t necessarily agree with the way the Yankees have handled or continue to handle Joba either.
As I’ve said about five dozen times, to me, they have turned a promising young pitcher into Aaron Heilman.
I think the best thing for the Yankees and for Joba would be for the club to do one of three things:
1. Put him in the 8th inning and leave him there and when Mariano leaves, he is the closer.
2. Send him to the minors to re-establish himself as a starting pitcher (and maybe regain some of the swagger he’s lost)
3. Trade him to an organization that has a plan for him
Jerkface – It’s why advertisers pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the Michael Jordans of the world. Not only to sell product directly, but also to be associated with the brand institutionally.
This pays off in spades in terms of stock price if a public corporation and/or in elevating the value of a privately held franchise. The Yankee brand being worth almost $2 billion dollars is commensurate with both tangible and intangible assets. Derek Jeter’s value to the Yankee brand is the intangible. Hard to quantify exactly, but it’s very real and significant.
I also love how a lot of Yankees fans act like Jeter is so old that he can barely lift a bat anymore. Only two shortstops in the AL had higher batting averages then him, and this was BY FAR Jeter’s wost season as a pro. Chances are he bounces back, but even if he doesn’t he is still an above average shortstop.
sic – not the “only” intangible.
Patrick,
RE: Joba starting for the Yankees.
I don’t see it. I would argue that they know they needed to TRY and maximize his abilities as a starter. They had to try that and I am glad they did. But it was a failed experiment. Go back and review his stats a starter in 2009. You could argue that he made zero improvement as the season went on. You could even argue he got worse. So they flopped he and Hughes and the latter has worked out extremely well for us.
The only way I could see Joba being thrusted back into a starting role is if the Yankees suffer a vast onslaught of injuries to their starting pitchers and have little to no options besides Joba.
If they keep him around for another season, which I am fine with, then perhaps we’ll see him make huge strides and reinsert himself into the discussion as to who will succeed Mo. But he might be valuable trade bait too…
Hard to quantify exactly, but it’s very real and significant.
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Prove it. Or rather, prove that Jeter not being on the Yankees hurts their value. The yankees have already wrung most of the ‘intangible’ benefit from Jeter’s spongelike body.
Michael Jordan is forever associated with the Bulls. Jeter playing his sad end out in Kansas City won’t hurt the yankees.
I agree Dylan. He’s got competitive juices that none of us comprehend. I could imagine he will be training like a beast during the offseason to be ready for next season.
Jeter is not Michael Jordan…. A-Rod is.
Jeter is like Magic Johnson.
Cashman needs to go
November 3rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm
I know you were, regardless I was laughing and the humor is great. What the hell if ya can’t have a little fun what’s the point, right ?
Chip,
The problem is threefold though.
Derek has already shown signs of age. Significant signs this season.
Are Montero or Romine ready to step in? We are in the last year of Jorge’s contract and that is still a big question. At most the Yankees are deriving one year of benefit from that plan.
Jeter’s bat does not play at DH, while Jorge’s does.
I also love how a lot of Yankees fans act like Jeter is so old that he can barely lift a bat anymore. Only two shortstops in the AL had higher batting averages then him, and this was BY FAR Jeter’s wost season as a pro. Chances are he bounces back, but even if he doesn’t he is still an above average shortstop.
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7 SS’s hit better than Jeter, 2 hit within a point of Jeter at .269, 2 more within 7 points. And Jeter was older than all but Tejada. And Jeter did all this with some of the worst defense at the position.
Maybe Jeter does deserve $18M to $20M per year for next 4 years! LOL! He is worth more than these guys!
Lackey is getting $16M for the next 4 years.
Beckett is getting $17M for the next 4 years.
Drew is getting $14M for next year. (5 yrs @ $14M)
“$72M revenue from ticket sales for the 3 rounds + concessions and memoribilia.”
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Thanks pat.
That’s a lot of moolah to lose if Jeter starts to hurt the on field product.
Jeter is not Michael Jordan…. A-Rod is.
Jeter is like Magic Johnson.
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In terms of marketability, Jeter surpasses Johnson & A-Rod. I just hope Jeter will never do an incredibly lame late night talk show like the Magic Hour.
Mad Prince,
That’s fine but you have to realize that the Yankees might disagree with your logic, as I do.
I’d also like to point out that making him a reliever is the experiment, not the other way around. He’s always been a starter.
Lackey is getting $16M for the next 4 years.
Beckett is getting $17M for the next 4 years.
Drew is getting $14M for next year. (5 yrs @ $14M)
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JD Drew out OPS’d Jeter last year and OPS’d .900 for 09 and 08, and plays better defense than Jeter. And makes less money.
Whats your point here???
Jerkface -
You really believe that?
I think it will hurt the Yankees if Jeter plays out a sad end in Kansas City. Especially if it’s perceived that the Yankees let him walk over what would amount to peanuts. Especially if Nunez is no where near what people think he is. Especially if Jeter being allowed to walk away makes Andy Pettitte decide not to come back, and perhaps even makes Mariano not come back (could happen, you know).
I think one of the reasons the Bernie Williams thing didn’t blow up in their face was that he didn’t go play for someone else (so he really WAS done as a player). And Bernie had a couple of slower years. Jeter’s had ONE really bad year. He’s not limping around the field and his bat was coming around at the end of the season.
“But Jeter wasn?t consistent in 2010. If he had repeated 2009, we wouldn?t be having this conversation.”
Just imagine if his 2008 and 2009 seasons were reversed. I think a lot of people look at 2009 and believe that Jeter still has it in him to be an elite player. Isn’t it much more likely that the Jeter we see going forward will be the Jeter of 2008 or 2010 or worse? We often hear about players making money in their contract year, but I think Jeter saved himself a lot of money with his performance in the season prior to his contract year. If Jeter were coming off of three straight years with an OPS+ of 90-102 maybe expectations would be more realistic.
Jeter played bad defense last year? Cervelli and Posada played bad defense last year. Jeter looked steady like he always does.
Jerkface,
It seems like you are really down on Jeter. I understand that given his 2010 but I can’t forget how good he was in 2009….
Beckett, Drew and Lackey are not the faces of the Boston Red Sox franchise. They are not homegrown players who were part of an historic dynasty team.
You can’t keep throwing these comparisons out there, because no one else has had the career of Derek Jeter.
blake,
Can they really just absorb it and move on?
As Alex, Tex, CC, Lee (hopefully), even Cano get older can they really afford a deadweight contract with no position?
I’m not sure.
If the Yankees have Derek signed beyond the time he can play SS, I think they are in trouble. Maybe big trouble.
Jeter played bad defense last year? Cervelli and Posada played bad defense last year. Jeter looked steady like he always does.
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Compared to the rest of his career it wasn’t that bad, compared to 2009 it was a significant downgrade. Finally, compared to the rest of shortstops it was significantly below average but not atrocious
Jeter was bad in 08, excellent in 09, and bad in 2010. I think you’re not likely to see 2009 Jeter. Steady? yea jeter is steady, because he is standing in place while balls go right by him.
The Yankees realistically have to sign Jeter, because they arent going to get Juan Uribe to play SS. But they can’t sign him to the detriment of the team. Jeter doesn’t strike me as the type who would hang it up if he was done.
He strikes me as the type who continue to forge on confident that he could turn it around. (Even if he couldn’t)
The Face has been down on Jeter since Opening Day 2010
Patrick,
He’s spent far more time at the major league level as a relief pitcher. Rivera was a starting pitcher in the minors too and that experiment failed. They got that one right, no?
# Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 5:07 pm
7 SS’s hit better than Jeter, 2 hit within a point of Jeter at .269, 2 more within 7 points. And Jeter was older than all but Tejada. And Jeter did all this with some of the worst defense at the position.
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You realize that their are 30 teams in baseball right. Even if he was only the 9th best SS in baseball last year, he is still in the top 1/3 of all of baseball. That is also after having BY FAR his worst year as a pro. Also, he is not a very good defender, but is is not nearly as bad as you are making him out to be. He had the LEAST amount of errors out of all of the shortstops in baseball. That at least somewhat negates his below average range. Jeter is an average shortstop.
“You can’t keep throwing these comparisons out there, because no one else has had the career of Derek Jeter.”
Babe Ruth did, and he ended his career with the Pirates.
And the Yankees are still the Yankees, and still have residual value from their association with Ruth.
In other words, just win, baby. Everything else will take care of itself.
Zero dollars, zero years. Dude is done. 2009 was the candle flaring up just before it went out.
Average Short Stops don’t make 20 mil
*average in terms of defense. Above average when it comes to hitting. That doesn’t even take into account other factors such as leadership.
Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Hard to quantify exactly, but it’s very real and significant.
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Prove it. Or rather, prove that Jeter not being on the Yankees hurts their value. The yankees have already wrung most of the ‘intangible’ benefit from Jeter’s spongelike body. Michael Jordan is forever associated with the Bulls. Jeter playing his sad end out in Kansas City won’t hurt the yankees.
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I don’t know what you do, but if you were in marketing and advertising it might be a bit clearer, institutional value is hard to quantify. Celebrities get hundreds of millions of dollars from corporations for a reason. The Yankees are a brand and Jeter’s value to the Yankee brand going forward is huge.
Bernie hit .280 and OPS’d .768 in his final year.
Derek hit .270 and OPS’d .710 this past year.
We probably won’t see 2009 Jeter ever again but I don’t think it’s a stretch to think that we’ll see something in between 2009 and 2010. That’s a huge gap…
Mad Prince,
Joba started in college and throughout the minors in 2007 and was awesome throughout that period. He was a reliever in the latter part of 2007 and was excellent. He then relieved in the first half of 2008 and was excellent again. He started in the second half of 2008 and was amazing. He started almost all of 2009 and was terrible for the second half but pretty good in the first half. He relieved for all of 2010 and was mediocre to bad for the entire year. To my eye it seems like he’s had more success starting than relieving.
I don’t know about that defense thing. It seems like when a guy has a subpar offensive year his defense sucks too but when he rocks like in 2009 he’s playing lights out short stop. Jeter plays a solid short stop. He definitely does not hurt the team with his defensive play.
Babe Ruth wasn’t homegrown.
# Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Average Short Stops don’t make 20 mil
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Other average shortstops didn’t hit .330 in 2009 and win a Gold Glove. Other “average” shortstops aren’t the face of the Yankees organization. Other “average” shortstops haven’t won FIVE World Series Rings. Other “average” shortstops haven’t been voted to 11 all-star games. Other average shortstops aren’t the captain of their team. Other average shortstops aren’t future Hall of Famers. Other average shortstops didn’t hit .330 in 2009 and win a Gold Glove.
“Other average shortstops didn’t hit .330 in 2009 and win a Gold Glove. Other “average” shortstops aren’t the face of the Yankees organization. Other “average” shortstops haven’t won FIVE World Series Rings. Other “average” shortstops haven’t been voted to 11 all-star games. Other average shortstops aren’t the captain of their team. Other average shortstops aren’t future Hall of Famers. Other average shortstops didn’t hit .330 in 2009 and win a Gold Glove.”
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….Other average SS did not get paid $189 million for those things.
“That?s a lot of moolah to lose if Jeter starts to hurt the on field product.”
Which is why they will control which players they put on the field no matter the money owed.
# LGY November 3rd, 2010 at 5:21 pm
….Other average SS did not get paid $189 million for those things.
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Because other average shortstops didn’t do those things.
I wouldn’t pay a guy who won 5 world series rings 20 mil if he was 36 and OPS’d .700. Winning rings in the past doesn’t help the future.
And Jeters defense has always sucked. In 08 and 09 it actually turned around thanks to him focusing on lateral movement and Girardi properly positioning him. In 2010 it took a hit again.
And Jeter is no longer ‘above average’ at hitting. 08 and 2010 he was average.
6 years? I don’t think so.
Jeter was graced with an amazing contract for a short stop, and has been paid a lot in his career. You no longer need to continue rewarding him. They did reward him, by giving him a huge contract when he was younger.
Yeah that flip play sucked.
“Which is why they will control which players they put on the field no matter the money owed.”
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Which players are on the field is directly impacted by how much other players on the team are paid.
Derek was owed a lot of money this year but the Yankees did not make any adjustments to the lineup because of who he was.
If Derek is making $20 million 4 years from now and has no position, is that really not going to hurt the Yankees?
That said, I’m not as willing as others are to just cut ties with Jeter the moment things get hairy in negotiations. I think Hal should stick to his guns, but it’s not like he’s not going to make a fair offer.
Do Bonuses count against payroll? If not 3-4 years 12 -15 million a year and a 30 Million bonus for reaching 3,000 hits as a Yankee. Keeps the payroll down. Kind of like the 50 million posting fee for Dice-K
;probably said a million times…remove the ‘jeter’ factor, 36 year old SS, .270 hitter, limited range, veteran…
What would any other team in the MLB pay him…
OK, how much more in years and dollars do WE have to pay him to not come off as ba%tards? And just as importantly how much does he have to hold out for to not come off as an ingrate?
Maybe we don’t know ’till it happens..
4 years is just stupid…unless the money is dirt cheap, [15 mil a pop]which it won’t be… 2-40 with an option..
Yeah that flip play sucked.
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Thats not a normal short stop play, it also happened a decade ago. You know what plays sucked? The past a diving Jeter that knocked the yankees out of the playoffs in 05 and 06.
LGY,
Yea with revenues over 600 million I think they could if they wanted to. I just don’t see this as the huge deal that it’s being made out to be. Hal has already said they need a deal that’s good for both sides…and..I don’t see Jeter dragging this thing out and damaging his legacy.
SJ, you said that I said that Phil had a bad year and that he would never improve. I never once said any of those things.
“Celebrities get hundreds of millions of dollars from corporations for a reason.”
But they don’t create the product those corporations are selling, as a rule. They are just selling it. And if the product is bad, people don’t dislike the celebrity hawking it.
In baseball everything is different. If Jeter is bad and the Yanks don’t make the post-season, Jeter will be blamed. His “intangible” value will drop.
As long as the ballplayer is playing, his on-field value and his off-field value are closely related.
That’s why it makes sense to pay a player on the basis of performance expectations.
That is the problem the Yanks have in this negotiation.
“Because other average shortstops didn’t do those things.”
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Exactly.
You are paid in roughly in relation to what you produce and how others who produce similarly are paid.
Jeter was paid that much, because he produced that much. That is no longer the case.
Rabble! Rabble Rabble!
# Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 5:22 pm
I wouldn’t pay a guy who won 5 world series rings 20 mil if he was 36 and OPS’d .700. Winning rings in the past doesn’t help the future.
And Jeters defense has always sucked. In 08 and 09 it actually turned around thanks to him focusing on lateral movement and Girardi properly positioning him. In 2010 it took a hit again.
And Jeter is no longer ‘above average’ at hitting. 08 and 2010 he was average.
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Sorry, but you can’t ignore the past. Thats not how it works. The Yankees are going to take a lot more into account then just the 2010 season, when they decide how much money to give Jeter. And Jeter’s defense has never sucked. Other shortstops get to more balls, but they also throw more balls away. Plus, I love how Yankees fans are fine with Posada’s AWFUL defense behind the plate for the last 10+ years, as long as he is hitting, but having an average defensive shortstop is just unacceptable.
What options does Jeter have? They could play hardball with him and what is Jeter to do. No team will pay him half of what the Yankees will offer. He has made over 200mil. just on the field. I think his name will earn him a paycheck for the rest of his life. Proud as Jeter is I don’t think his legacy would be hurt by taking less. It may establish him as the ultimate teammate and a Yankee legend forever.
Jerkface,
If Jeter demands 3 years 55 mill do you do it? If he goes above what you would accept, what’s the alternative? Eduardo Nunez? Please no
$15 mil / year, 4-5 years
Ruth played for the Boston Braves, not Pittsburgh.
What is very evident to me is that the Yankees and more specifically, Derek Jeter, run the risk of turning his last contract into a very heated situation that could get ugly.
Overpay Jeter in both years and dollars and he keeps performing at current levels and the fans won’t want to put up with watching him fall apart in front of our eyes for 20 million a year.
A lot of fans realize locking him up to those kind of dollars and years means if he stinks, we’re stuck with him. He’ll either be blocking SS or blocking another position if he’s switched due to the “loyalty” nature of a bad contract here.
Jeter came in as a hero. He has the potential to go out as a goat and a poster boy for what overpaying declining stars means.
If I were him and I knew I was making money hand over fist from Ford and all the other ads I do, I would let up a bit on the contract demands and appear to be humble rather than ego driven at this point in his career.
I’m not saying take 1 million a year to play, but 3 years for under 50 million is more than enough and frankly too much.
Everyone claiming his contract has no bearing over the other contracts are talking out of their butts. At the end of the day the Yankees make decisions based on total payroll and they don’t sit there and say to themselves, “Derek, Mo, Andy, Arod and Posada money doesn’t count”. That’s money they spend to win. If it’s not winning for them at a high level, it’s a major screw up for the team.
And Jeter is no longer ‘above average’ at hitting. 08 and 2010 he was average.
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So a .300 batting average in 2008 is just average for a SS? Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Why does everyone assume $20 million or more? Only 6 players made $20 million last year (the four highest paid Yankees, Johan Santana and Miguel Cabrera). Derek Jeter is not one of the six best players in the game and no one else would pay him anywhere close to that, especially off the worst season of his career. The only way I could see giving him $20 million/year is if he’d take a 1 or 2 year deal and that would still be overpaying.
To the surprise of nobody, the “shark” contingent of the media is jumping all over the Derek / Mariano salary negotiations and won’t let it go until the ink is dry on both contracts. Of course, many will claim to have inside information, use comparisons to what other players have for salaries and tie it in to a complete gibberish package.
The best thing that could happen is to have them both signed by 7:00 PM and miss the nightly local news and by the time newspapers go to press, it’s old news in the morning.
I refer to the tabloids as sharks and not the Lower Hudson Valley News.
Jerkface Why are you getting on Jeter? Like he is a detriment to the team or something. Why do you hate on him? Because he is going to make millions? What’s the deal with the Jeter hate? What’s the difference if he gets 3 yrs or 4 yrs or 6 yrs or 10 yrs. The guy is a great Yankee. I love watching him play. I could care less what he makes. I just hope he’s on the team for a while longer to watch him play.
You are going to miss him when he retires.
I can’t wait until this deal is done because negative talk about Jeter is rather depressing
Another thing, Yankee Stadium isn’t Jurassic Park.
The fans aren’t coming to see old players pull on the uniform for old times sake.
They’re paying top dollar to see a winning team.
I have no doubt Hal & Cashman know this and don’t want to turn the Yankees into a living breathing old timer’s game 162 times a year.
Arod can take over DH in the future because his bat is potent and will play well there.
Jeter has no value to the yankees only at SS. He doesn’t hit enough to qualify for any of the other position. If they’re going to give him 20 million to be Tim Raines, a part time player/pinch hitter, in his later years it’s a bad use of resources.
Doreen-
Ouch. How do I make that embarrassed face emoticon?
Wave, that’s taking it to the extreme; Jeter for 4 is going to sink the Yankees? I doubt it.
Jerkface,
You greatly overstate Jeter’s defensive deficiencies. He’s not the best defender in baseball but he’s far from the liability you make him out to be. When the yankees are playing musical SS’s in a few years….maybe then people will realize what they had.
I have no desire to watch Jeter ground out for all eternity and play bad defense. It makes a huge difference to me as a yankee fan if Jeter gets a 2,3,4,or 10 year contract, because that changes what the yankees will do in the future and could hurt them on the field or block players I’m excited to see come up from the system.
Jeter OPS’d .771 in 08, he hit .300 but with no power. Pretty average.
So Omar Visquel is as good as Jeter?
You greatly overstate Jeter’s defensive deficiencies. He’s not the best defender in baseball but he’s far from the liability you make him out to be
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Jeter has sure hands. Thats about it. He lacks range, and I’ll take a few more errors if it means a guy reaches first instead of a guy scoring because the ball gets through.
So Omar Visquel is as good as Jeter?
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Better on defense but never with the bat, the point was made that Juan Uribe hit like he did this season he’d make money, but Vizquel did just that WITH better defense and never made any money.
That is why paying Jeter 20 mil is stupid. You have no reason to pay him 20 mil. No team will give him more than 10.
give him 3 years and more $$$$$……..like I said before he better start making babies that will spend all his cash
“Derek was owed a lot of money this year but the Yankees did not make any adjustments to the lineup because of who he was.”
Who he is or what they paid him? If they pay him $1M or $100M next year, he still is who he is.
AJ and Vazquez and their salaries didn’t see a mound in the DS because there was a better alternative. I choose to believe the Yankees would take the same approach with any player when it comes down to winning.
I’m glad we settled that he wasn’t as good at bat because Jeter is one of the top few SS in history and he’s being talked about like he’s garbage.
give Jeter 6 years and as much money as he wants! After 3 years you have mutal options and Jeter can retire! Everythings fine!
Who do you want instead of Jeter?????
he’s being talked about like he’s garbage.
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Maybe we could get Ken Griffey back? He was one of the top CFers in all of baseball. I bet we could get him for 20 mil. He was a marketing icon too!
Jeter’s OPS was barely more than Cervelli’s. He was our worst regular player this year.
What leverage does he have? Jerkface laid it out well.
If we give him $14 million, we will double his market value. He should be appreciative of that, rather than foolishly try and get triple his market value coming off the year he has had.
“Who do you want instead of Jeter?????”
I think everyone wants Jeter back next year. After that views begin to diverge.
Maybe I like Jeter and still respect his game because I never considered him an all-time player but an excellent player that produced and still produces, and is an all-time competitor that commands respect and is the leader of the team. Those intangibles and his production on this team make him a valuable asset.
If you think Jeter doesn’t provide any value to the team, forget marketing and revenue and all that other stuff, to the team and to winning games then I’m sorry you are bugging out. With all due respect
Doreen November 3rd, 2010 at 5:29 pm
The Yankees reneged on Babe Ruth. They promised him a coaching spot but never kept their part of the bargain. Times have changed.
Also Bernie was lost in the OF his last year. He couldn’t throw the ball and had lost quite a few steps. The Yanks asked/begged him to come to camp and he would most likely be added to the team, but he didn’t. Also, in case anyone forgot, Bernie almost signed with the Red Sox on his last contract.
I like Jeter as much as the next person, but does he really need 6 years…
Jeter hasn’t fallen off the cliff. I thought he defense was good this year. He and Robbie turn a sweet DP together.
That said, he has no power. He’s an aggressive singles hitter who struggled to get on base this year. He was ill suited as a leadoff hitter this year.
Could he bounce back next year? Sure. But if he doesn’t and he’s sitting on a 5 year 100 million contract, the natives will get very restless.
This isn’t about what Jeter has done. He’s been paid highly for that.
This is about what he’s capable of in the future. No one knows for sure what that is, but what we do know is he’s getting older and at some point it’s time to sit on the bench.
If the Yankees are locked into Jeter for 20 million a year long term, it will diminish their ability to replace him and fix the team in other area when the time comes.
Andy, in my opinion, is a great Yankee. He takes 1 year deals for good money and proves it year in year out.
Derek shouldn’t need more security than that. Prove it every year.
We’re already saddled with a 40 something Arod down the road. They cannot afford to have more pieces of the future be guaranteed top dollars in their 40′s.
Hanging on to aging stars has been the bane of this team. No true Yankee fan will be upset if Jeter’s let go and replaced with a slightly-better-than-league-average shortstop, which Jeter isn’t anymore.
“AJ and Vazquez and their salaries didn’t see a mound in the DS because there was a better alternative. I choose to believe the Yankees would take the same approach with any player when it comes down to winning.”
Much easier to do it with players like AJ or Vazquez that the franchise has no emotional attachment to. Not to mention, those players both had mediocre careers and had no leg to stand on. The PR hit will be much greater with Jeter.
Who he is or what they paid him? If they pay him $1M or $100M next year, he still is who he is. AJ and Vazquez and their salaries didn’t see a mound in the DS because there was a better alternative. I choose to believe the Yankees would take the same approach with any player when it comes down to winning.
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I was ussing it as an example that Derek is not treated the same as other players. That is evident from this contract negotiation.
Saying they will go with the better alternative is really saying they will go with a better internal alternative.
Derek and what he makes and how long he does that for restricts who the Yankees can pursue on the free agent and trade market.
There is no realistic way to frame this to say this contract has the potential to have an adverse effect on the Yankees chances of winning especially if he has to be moved off SS.
*does not have the potential*
Andy pettitte was one of the best lefties in the game this year, maybe we should give him 20 million instead of Cliff Lee????
Jeter isn’t getting $20M/year. He made $18.7M last year (2010). He most likely gets 3 years @ $15M & an option year.
First of all, I don’t buy that idea that Jeter is looking for 6 years…………I also do not expect him to go on a year by year basis. Andy is 39 and he’s a pitcher – it’s a much different story. Also, he does it because half the time he doesn’t know how long he wants to keep pitching. Jeter wants to keep playing for a few more years…………..
Hal said this might get messy and it has that look
Height/Weight:
6-3/195
Birthdate:
06/26/1974
Age:
36
Hometown:
Pequannock, NJ
Bats/Throws:
R/R
Team:
New York Yankees
College:
No College
MLB Experience:
16
Salary:
$22,600,000
“Jeter has sure hands. Thats about it.”
Your opinion.
“There is no realistic way to frame this to say this contract has the potential to have an adverse effect on the Yankees chances of winning especially if he has to be moved off SS.”
That’s the big thing – he should only get paid as long as he can play SS effectively. He has 0 value anywhere else. He would be a disaster at DH.
RayVT…..I’m with you, 3 / 45 as an opening offer and they’ll agree on 3 / 50 with a nice option ….This issue will move very quickly I believe…Then Mo at 15 for 2011, and then move on to new business…..
Jerkface, a few questions for you.. Are you expecting Jeter to play like he did in 2010 from here on out? How much do you think the Yankees should offer him? If he demands more what do you do?
Chad! Do you see what you started! lol
“Who do you want instead of Jeter?????”
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That really shouldn’t be how the question is framed if the sole objective is winning.
It should be who do you want on this team for $15-20 million over the next 3+ years?
Depending on how many years Jeter gets, the answer for me personally is not him.
RayVT -
Thanks for filling in the blanks on Ruth and Bernie.
I knew there were “other” circumstances, but couldn’t really remember.
jerkface
See – that’s when it gets ridiculous here.
Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Andy pettitte was one of the best lefties in the game this year, maybe we should give him 20 million instead of Cliff Lee????
I think Jeter plays to more 08 and 2010 than 09. In 08 he made solid contact but just didn’t have any power. He was hurt. 09 he had his power back. 2010 he just looked bad physically.
I think the days of a near .900 OPS for Jeter are over. And I would sign him for 2 years if I could. I think he gets 2+1 or a 3 year deal.
How about one year for forty million dollars (U.S.) for Derek Jeter ?
i’m sorry…he’s 36 and a FA, he’s not going in asking for less money than he made in 2010
joeman November 3rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm
My Bad! You are correct he made $22.6M last year & I even posted that from Cotts. Thanks!
See – that’s when it gets ridiculous here.
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Only as ridiculous that you should pay someone for past performance.
And G. Love -
I like your perspective and respect your opinions, but “we” aren’t saddled with anything.
Doreen!
Good to see you online! I always enjoy your posts!
jerkface -
What I think most people are saying is that Jeter can’t be looked at like just another shortstop because in relation to the Yankees, he’s not.
I don’t think anyone wants him perpetually on the payroll, huffing and puffing out to the shortstop position into his 40s and 50s.
But there’s really no need to make Jeter out to be some pedestrian player who’s looking to hang on.
posada was a free agent at 36. he got four years and more money than his previous deal. jeter’s gonna get 4/80. sign him and move on. it’s not your money. the yankees have had a plan for this since year one of his contract
joeman November 3rd, 2010 at 5:55 pm
He may! Or he may lower his price for more years. I really don’t care what the Yanks pay him! IMO he deserves it. I think he has earned the money the Yanks have spent on him and obviously the Yanks think that too or they wouldn’t be trying to sign him again.
I don’t remember the last time someone thought the Yankees were cheap! LOL! They will work it out!
But isn’t that what he would be? If you get 2010 Jeter for the next 3 years that is what he is! Which is why the contract needs to be smart for both Jeter and the Yankees.
Jorge in 2007 hit: .338 .426 .543 .970 And only became a full time player at age 26.
And he only makes 13 mil!!! OPSing .970 from the catcher position and he only makes 13mil!!
Do you really think Jeter will accept a lower AAV than AJ Burnett?
70 mil 3 years ..then goodbye
Don’t the Red Sox need a short stop? Don’t you think THEY might pay Jeter slightly more than market value? Don’t you think it would hurt the Yankees for Jeter to get his 3000th hit as a Red Sox player? And what about if the Red Sox, with Jeter as SS, beat out the Yankees for a playoff spot?
The red sox have marco scutaro and jed lowrie, they do need a third baseman, maybe Jeter can go suck at third for them.
I would like to be Jeter’s only son…wait a minute he could be mine
Jorge is amazing, he never gets the credit he deserves
Jerkface, I’d be a little bit more liberal than you with Jeter. I’d give him 3 years guaranteed and if they pushed I’d go 4. I don’t think he’ll be the 2009 Jeter again but I think he’ll be better than 2008 and 2010.
Betsy you reading my stuff
“Don’t the Red Sox need a short stop? Don’t you think THEY might pay Jeter slightly more than market value?”
They already have Scutero.
Not to mention, if they want to let one of Beltre, Ortiz, or V-Mart go to find $$$ for Jeter, or forgo signing Crawford/Werth for Jeter, it would greatly benefit us.
Jeter wouldn’t even be on their radar, honestly. They have so many other things to figure out. Would be good for us if they were though. Much rather face Jeter for 3 years than Jason Werth or Beltre.
I would never touch 4 years with Jeter. There are not any viable replacements after next season based on the current FA list and internal prospects, so I think 3 years is a good max.
jerkface -
Why are you getting like this?
I’m an A-rod guy.
From Cots :
Shortstops
The highest-paid active shortstops, by average annual value:
Derek Jeter, $18,900,000 (2001-10)
Michael Young, $16,000,000 (2009-13)- now at 3B
Miguel Tejada, $12,000,000 (2004-09- making much less now
Hanley Ramirez, $11,666,667 (2009-14)
Rafael Furcal, $10,000,000 (2009-11)
Edgar Renteria, $9,250,000 (2009-10)- even as WS MVP will be lucky to get $$
Julio Lugo, $9,000,000 (2007-10)
Cristian Guzman, $8,000,000 (2009-10)-FA, could get a minor league contract if lucky
Jimmy Rollins, $7,000,000 (2006-10)
Jack Wilson, $6,733,333 (2007-09)
Jose Reyes, $5,812,500 (2007-10)
Khalil Greene, $5,500,000 (2008-09)-out of baseball
Troy Tulowitzki, $5,166,667 (2008-13)-He and Ramirez two best SS’s in game.
If Jeter makes anything close to what he got this year, he’s being paid almost 2X what Hanley Ramirez makes and 4X what Troy Tulowitski makes.
Jeter has to hit righties again at a >.300 clip to return to an above .300 average. When is the last time he homered to right field? When is the last time he homered?
# Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 6:11 pm
I would never touch 4 years with Jeter. There are not any viable replacements after next season based on the current FA list and internal prospects, so I think 3 years is a good max.
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what I’m saying..but he has to get more than the $22 mil he made this year
Hanley Ramirez, $11,666,667 (2009-14)…….anyway they could get this guy
Scutaro is signed multi-year? I didn’t know that.
what I’m saying..but he has to get more than the $22 mil he made this year
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WHY?? He does not need a raise. You don’t get an automatic raise with a new contract. Contracts are based on performance. There is a plateau and Jeter has eclipsed his own personal plateau.
Andy Pettitte made 16 mil in 08, he got less in 09 and less in 2010.
Johnny Damon got a pay cut. Bobby Abreu got a pay cut.
Being Derek Jeter doesn’t mean you get paid 25 mil for 10 mil performance. If that is then I don’t want that kind of player on my team. It means he is selfish and cares nothing about the Yankees.
I’m an A-rod guy.
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You can like both guys hth
# Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Being Derek Jeter doesn’t mean you get paid 25 mil for 10 mil performance. If that is then I don’t want that kind of player on my team. It means he is selfish and cares nothing about the Yankees.
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So now Jeter is selfish… Are you sure you are a Yankees fan? Cause if you are, its pathetic how short your memory is. The past absolutely does matter, whether you like it or not.
Full Name Derek Sanderson Jeter
Birth Date June 26, 1974
Birth Place Pequannock, NJ
Age 36
Weight 195 lbs.
Height 6-3
Pronounced JEE-ter
Bats Right
Throws Right
Experience 15 years
Drafted 1992: 1st Rnd, 6th by NYY
Salary 2010: $22,600,000
You can like both guys hth
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no this is like TV love triangles, you have to pick a side. I just dislike how irrational everyone gets about Jeter.
So now Jeter is selfish… Are you sure you are a Yankees fan?
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If Derek Jeter demands a pay raise, he would indeed be selfish. He should take his Captaincy seriously and suggest a pay cut.
unless he gets up around 5 years he’s going to get more than the $22 mil he made in 10….for sure
Jerkface -
You’re suggesting that you’re being more rational than anyone else?
I’m as guilty as everyone here for perpetuationg the discussion, but bottom line is the Yankees and Jeter will do what they will do and that’s it. We don’t have to like it or approve it or anything else. It’s presented to us a fait accompli, whatever way it turns out.
So we’re all ticking each other off for nothing.
Jerk,
I don’t think I’m all that irrational about Jeter, it’s more like I’m absurdly optimistic about his future performance. Although this is coming from a guy with a Jeter avatar
Vlad had better preceding seasons than jeter and got a paycut, and was younger. Nothing is assured for Jeter.
# Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 6:20 pm
If Derek Jeter demands a pay raise, he would indeed be selfish. He should take his Captaincy seriously and suggest a pay cut.
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He actually should have gotten a contract extension last year, after he hit .334. No way he should agree to a paycut just because he had his first bad season in FIFTEEN years.
don’t you think Mo will ask for more than the $15 mil he made in 10…sure he will
Patrick,
Regardless of what happens I hope that Jeter is more like 09 Jeter than 2010 Jeter, but I want the Yankees to be in the best position in case that DOESN’T HAPPEN.
They can ALWAYS sign Jeter to another contract. They can’t take back a bad deal they’ve already given out.
don’t you think Mo will ask for more than the $15 mil he made in 10…sure he will
If he does, his performance actually warrants it. Jeter’s performance warrants a paycut.
Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Vlad had better preceding seasons than jeter and got a paycut, and was younger
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if he went to the Yankees he would have gotten a raise
Jerk,
I think most fans are nervous that if the Yankees sign him to a small deal or even suggest a small deal it will offend Jeter or something and ruin his legacy. I don’t know, that’s the only thing I can think of
Why? The market wasn’t there for it. They weren’t going to pay him 14 mil.
Jeter has 4 seasons under .800 OPS, and 2 are in the last 3 years. He is not getting a raise.
Jeter was never even a 20 mil type of player to begin with.
Jerkman-
If jeter’s annual salary has been $18.9M over the last ten years he should be more than happy with a 3 year $55M contract, and will still be making substantially more than Hanley Ramirez and Troy Tulowitski, the 2 best SS in the game.
SJ mentioned this about A-Rod’s long term contract on the last post:
“He’s getting paid until he’s 42, unless he decides to retire prior to the end of his contract or suffers a career ending injury.”
Question? Doesn’t A-Rod get paid even with a career ending injury, unless it’s secondary to an injury suffered from a circumstance that would be prohibited in his contract??
There are two aspects to the Derek Jeter situation.
1. A contract for his remaining years as an active player.
2. A financial acknowledgment for what he has meant to the Yankee franchise in the past and what he will mean in the future.
They both have to be considered and I believe they will be. He is not your normal shortstop playing out the string. He is arguably the most famous and well liked player in baseball, a first ballot Hall of Famer, unblemished by controversy of any kind and the iconic representation of all that is good and possible in sports.
# Jerkface November 3rd, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Why? The market wasn’t there for it. They weren’t going to pay him 14 mil.
Jeter has 4 seasons under .800 OPS, and 2 are in the last 3 years. He is not getting a raise.
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some kind of friendly bet ……
I already bet Chip brownies it’d be less than 4 years, you can share his brownies if its over his current AAV.
Wait are people actually saying Jeter should get a raise? Come on… Every aging player that has a dip in performance takes a pay cut. Yes Jeter is a legend but even legends take pay cuts. As Hal said, this is a business. I think Jeter will get paid a crapload of money but he’s going to take a pay cut and he’s not going to sign a really long deal.
Also, according to Fangraphs, Jeter was worth >$20 million in 2006 and 2009. So there.
erkface November 3rd, 2010 at 6:30 pm
I already bet Chip brownies it’d be less than 4 years, you can share his brownies if its over his current AAV.
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your on
By no means should A-Rod’s deal be used as a point with Derek’s deal. That was all on Hank Steinbrenner who no longer has much input toward salaries. Hal is fair yet firm with player contracts as seen with the contracts of Sabathia and Burnett. In the case of Burnett he was generous to a fault.
Sure but 15 or less in most years.
I looked at 3 different places and all three said $22.6 for 2010…..
3 years 70 mil and goodbye
Wow – folks are starting to overdose on the haterade. Selfish? Really???
If Jeter’s demands are too high, I would go all out to sign Beltre for 3B and move Arod to SS.
Derek Jeter! – Derek Jeter! – Derek Jeter!
joeman,
Paying Jeter 23.33 at this point is utterly absurd
# Patrick November 3rd, 2010 at 6:37 pm
joeman,
Paying Jeter 23.33 at this point is utterly absurd
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we will see
“That was all on Hank Steinbrenner who no longer has much input toward salaries.”
People like to say that but it’s not true.
A $275M player commitment requires more than one person signing off on it. Hal was in the loop and along for the ride.
If Jeter wants to get back to the WS in the next 3 years, Lee is a necessity, as is Rivera, and resigning the next best pitcher on the FA market in Pettitte would certainly help. I view Jeter as a luxury at his current salary, so hopefully there will be some common ground that will benefit the Yankees and their fans.
pat,
How do you know about the inner workings of the Yankees? From all that was reported at the time, it seems like Hank was the guy calling the shots in the A-rod deal
Jerkface is playing the role of the little devil looking over Cashman’s shoulder as he debates this decision.,
Good thing Yankee fans treat Minka well huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Honor Derek Jeter by retiring his number, having Derek Jeter day, bringing him back for old timers day – do not HONOR him with an overpriced contract that could impact other areas of need for the team.
It’s been done in basketball with the Bulls and Heat star players. They have taken less or restructered contracts for management to go out and use that money to surround them with players to help them achieve their common goal- a championship.
The simple fact is, the only ring Jeter has in the last ten years of his last contract is 2009.
# West Coast Yankee Fan November 3rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Good thing Yankee fans treat Minka well huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
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nothing to say
Patrick
It was reported at the time and has been reported since. People continue to believe what they want though.
It’s common to say the Steinbrenner’s own the Yankees but what they have is controlling interest in the Yankees. Where there is a board of directors, there is no such thing as a singular decision.
Think Alex randomly contacted someone from Goldman Sachs to bridge the gap in 2007? Goldman had a 40% share of YES Network. The Yankee partnership agreed to the deal with Alex because Goldman and others told them it was a solid financial business decision.
pat,
I remember very specifically that A-rod met with Hank and hammered out a deal with him.
pat-Good point. It was from counsel with Warren Buffet.
BOSTON (AP) – Adrian Beltre has declined a $10 million player option that would have kept him with the Boston Red Sox next year. The third baseman will get a $1 million buyout and becomes a free agent after just one season with the Red Sox.
The 31-year-old Beltre led the team with a .321 batting average and a career-high 49 doubles in 154 games. He hit 28 homers and tied David Ortiz for the team lead with 102 RBIs. The option increased from $5 million to $10 million in his last game because he passed the 640 plate appearances.
“Sales of re-done Jeter Yankeeographies ALONE after he becomes the FIRST Yankees in history to reach 3,000 hits will bring in a bunch of money.”
There have been statements here to the effect that Yanks will earn lot of Money from Jeter playing for them.
How true is it that it will be LOT OF MONEY.
Take the exampble above realistically…..
Say they sell 100,000 copies at $20. That translates to $2M. It is peanuts compared to what they have to pay jeter.
Last year similar arguments were made regarding Matsui about how much ad money Yanks will lose if he was not singed. How much did they lose? Certainly it did not bother Yankees.
Obvioulsy, Jeter’s case is different.
Still I would be surprised if his next contract will be mroe that 3ys/50 mil. 15 mil/year + 5 mil for 3000 hits. It is well above his market value in the free agency as a player.
pat is correct:
Read attached-
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....96733.html
I’m sure you’re right pat, Hal was probably involved which makes me sad because A-rod’s contract is atrocious for the Yankees. I would have rather let him go than sign that contract, its really really bad
NY Daily News Report:
Hank & Hal are referenced:
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._deal.html
I think 6 years just wouldn’t make sense because i dont think yankees fans would want to see jeter struggling. I think three years is the number and i think they should give him big bucks, im talking a-rod money for all he has done for this team. He is the face of the Yankees and the face of baseball and he deserves the money.
2 years 40 mil. We can’t take a season worse than this year, much less 6.