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Yankees negotiating window remains open, but fairly meaningless

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 03, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ALCS Yankees Rangers BaseballThe Yankees have four more days to negotiate exclusively with their own free agents, but that might not mean much.

Unless Derek Jeter or Mariano Rivera sign much sooner than expected, those two are going to hit the open market at 12:01 Sunday morning. Andy Pettitte is certainly going to reach that point.

I’m honestly not sure whether the five-day exclusive negotiation window applies to players who had an option declined, but I don’t think it matters in the case of Lance Berkman, Kerry Wood or Nick Johnson. Those three either don’t have a place on next year’s Yankees or would be better off testing the market.

The Yankees could use this time to negotiate with Javier Vazquez, but I can’t imagine that happening.

That leaves the Yankees to potentially use this window to talk to Marcus Thames about resuming his role as a platoon designated hitter, or perhaps talk to Austin Kearns about playing a cheap bench role, but ultimately the exclusive negotiating window doesn’t seem to mean much for the Yankees the year.

Associated Press photo of Kearns

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47 Responses to “Yankees negotiating window remains open, but fairly meaningless”

  1. Bob November 3rd, 2010 at 9:08 am

    news flash: Lupica believes Yanks will throw millions at Cliff Lee. According to a disgruntled Lupica, the Yankees always spend money in the winter. He must be their comptroller or auditor because he always expresses his worries about how much the payroll is and how much the Steinbrenner family spends on their team.

  2. Crawdaddy November 3rd, 2010 at 9:09 am

    I disagree with Betsy too about the 5th spot if Pettitte retires this offseason. However, I don’t think he retires and will pitch one more season. With all of this young pitching, I think Cashman would like to break in a young pitcher in the 5th spot that in which they take the places of Pettitte and AJ in the next 2-3 years by breaking in one young starter each season.

    Just as an example to my thought process:

    2011:
    CC
    Lee
    Hughes
    Pettitte (retires after 2011 season)
    Burnett

    2012:
    CC
    Lee
    Hughes
    Burnett (traded after 2012 season)
    Betances

    2013:
    CC
    Lee
    Hughes
    Betances
    Banuelos

  3. Crawdaddy November 3rd, 2010 at 9:09 am

    I have zero sympathy for any Yankee fan that reads Loopeeka’s columns.

  4. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 9:16 am

    randy l. November 3rd, 2010 at 9:09 am
    “Me too. I’m going by the name of Randy Ladd, Jr. Can you send me my weekly allowance, Dad?”

    sure, son.

    but you have to clean my house my midnight first.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Oh, man!!! I have to do everything. None of the other kids have to do anything for their allowance. Don’t you believe in child-labor laws?

  5. Doreen November 3rd, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Chad -

    Well, that pretty much answers my question from the last thread, I think.

    I wondered how the Yankees will balance going full tilt after Cliff Lee would affect the negotiations with Jeter and Rivera. I guess it won’t really be an issue, as long as Jeter’s & Rivera’s agents are kept in the loop, so to speak.

  6. Erin November 3rd, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Bob November 3rd, 2010 at 9:08 am
    news flash: Lupica believes Yanks will throw millions at Cliff Lee.

    *****************************

    Wow. That’s a shocker. ;)

  7. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Chad, much appreciate the help with the issues last night. I really wasn’t expecting anything until this morning…certainly not at 2:00 AM.

    Had a question for you last night. What is your thoughts on David Phelps, assuming that you have seen him pitch at Scranton/Trenton.

  8. 108 stitches November 3rd, 2010 at 9:20 am

    The longest – tenured GM’s in baseball :

    Name, team Date hired

    Brian Sabean – Giants 9/30/96

    Billy Beane – A’s 11/17/96

    Brian Cashman – Yankees 2/3/98

    Dan O’Dowd – Rockies 9/20/99

    Kenny Williams – White Sox 10/24/00

    Larry Beinfest – Marlins 2/12/02

    Dave Dombrowski – Tigers 4/8/02

    Jim Hendry – Cubs 7/5/02

    Doug Melvin – Brewers 9/26/02

    Theo Epstein – Red Sox 11/25/02

  9. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 9:22 am

    LMaO. Mom’s gonna hear about this.

  10. Crawdaddy November 3rd, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Actually, Beinfest isn’t the Marlins GM, he’s their president now.

  11. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 9:24 am

    How does Loopica get these scoops? He must have spies everywhere to come up with these pearls.

  12. blake November 3rd, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Crawdaddy,

    That 2013 rotation is where dreams lie…..let’s hope that becomes reality with maybe even Brackman holding down the 9th.

  13. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Just to try eliminating the Greinke cries. Take it for what it’s worth. From MLB-Rumors-R-Us.

    •People close to Zack Greinke tell Heyman that there’s no chance the pitcher would accept a trade to New York (Twitter link). For more on Greinke’s no-trade clause, click here.

  14. disco stu November 3rd, 2010 at 9:36 am

    You would think an “expert” like Lupica would one day write an article about how since the value of the Yankees franchise continues to go up year after year, it hardly deters them from continuing to add payroll for their roster because they simply make money “hand over fist” in a way that virtually no other sports franchise can compare with … and since the Yankees mission statement is to continue to put money back into putting a winner on the field EVERY YEAR, it stands to reason that their payroll would continually go up.

    But I guess that takes a level of objectivity and common sense that he obviously does not have.

  15. Crawdaddy November 3rd, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Blake,

    It’s a sweet dream. However, at this time, anything can happen between now and then.

  16. 108 stitches November 3rd, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Crawdaddy November 3rd, 2010 at 9:23 am
    Actually, Beinfest isn’t the Marlins GM, he’s their president now.

    ……………………………………………..

    I stand corrected. Michael Hill is now the VP – GM of the Marlins

  17. randy l. November 3rd, 2010 at 9:52 am

    gb7-
    none of the above posts( or the past thread are by me). this is my first comment today.

    contacted chad.

  18. Joe from Long Island November 3rd, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Good morning, all –

    What was going on here last night? I get the impression there was a troll attack or something. Glad I missed it, but I hope the offending party was dealt with.

    I think Lee and his agent will have an offer from the Yankees by 12: 05 AM, Sunday morning.

  19. MTU November 3rd, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Joe-

    It is not in Lee’s interest to settle with any team early. There will be plenty of interest from multiple parties.

    If his agent is smart he will attempt to start a bidding war and just wait it out.

    JMHO.

  20. JCPD November 3rd, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Chad, Sam….. enough with the impersonators on here. If they are doing that on a blog, what else are they doing. Please turn it over to the authorities so that they can get their just due.

  21. raymagnetic November 3rd, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Remember when registration was supposed to solve all the impersonation issues :???:

  22. randy l. November 3rd, 2010 at 10:08 am

    i haven’t been on the blog much this past summer, but what’s up with impersonators logging in with other people’s user name? maybe this has been discussed and i missed it, but obviously that’s not a good thing for the blog.

  23. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:11 am

    My error and apologies, Randy. I thought this crap had been stopped.

  24. Joe from Long Island November 3rd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    MTU – I think you’re right, that’s just smart business. But, I think/guess that Cash will use the same approach that he used with CC – make an overwhelming offer up front to intimidate other potential suitors and thus keep the eventual cost down. I really don’t think they’re going to try to save $5-10 M on the deal. If they were willing to give up Jesus Montero for a half year of him, they value him highly.

    raymagnetic – I don’t know what to say anymore.

  25. randy l. November 3rd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    gb7-

    no problem. i think it’s pretty easy for regulars to figure out who the real person is once it becomes apparent there’s an impostor.

    for example raymagnetic and i would know our past comments back and forth over the past few years and an impostor wouldn’t. same with nick in sf or anyone else who’s had an impostor.

  26. Doreen November 3rd, 2010 at 10:19 am

    When does the courting begin? Tomorrow?

  27. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Joe from Long Island November 3rd, 2010 at 9:56 am
    Good morning, all –

    What was going on here last night? I get the impression there was a troll attack or something. Glad I missed it, but I hope the offending party was dealt with.

    I think Lee and his agent will have an offer from the Yankees by 12: 05 AM, Sunday morning.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Joe, this clown must has a block of static IP addresses or something. He keeps getting banned and comes up with more. All I know is that going after me is one thing, but posting personal and family on here is going beyond annoyance. I’ve sent some of this crap to the Feds as internet stalking since it’s using phone lines, making it interstate. We’ll see what happens.

  28. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Starting midnight Sunday, Doreen.

  29. Joe from Long Island November 3rd, 2010 at 10:25 am

    GB – thanks for the follow up. Let us know when you get feedback.

  30. Doreen November 3rd, 2010 at 10:26 am

    GB7 -
    Thanks. I thought it was 5 days after the WS ended, but I guess it’s 5 days after the WS would have ended had it gone 7 games?

  31. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Will do, Joe.

  32. raymagnetic November 3rd, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Everyone here just has to be wary about any emails we get from Lohud that we didn’t initiate ourselves.

    Although Nick and Patrick had their identities posted through trickery from CR9.

  33. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:34 am

    I would think that unless a team blows the bid for Lee out of the water, he wouldn’t be signed before Christmas. I think Pettitte gives NYYs the word, one way or the other by Thanksgiving/Dec 1st at the latest.

  34. RayVT November 3rd, 2010 at 10:35 am

    I wonder if Pettite is going to come back in 2011 and if he does will it be for half a season. I could see him waiting till mid-May for sure, but if he takes a $6M half season deal (or is it a $12M deal for half a year LOL!) and comes back around AS break to help make sure he is healthy for the post season. An extended time off would allow someone like Joba to move to the rotation and build up his arm strength if he were to move back to the BP for the last half of the season. (This could help reduce the team payroll as well.)

    A rotation of CC, CL, PH, AJ & JC could do well for the Yanks in 2011 for a couple of months or so and the addition of a fresh arm in Pettite then could inject more for the Yanks. It would also help offset any injuries as well. I think Joba is too good to relegate to the BP longterm. This could be his chance to get out of purgatory.

    Lastly, does anyone know if Mo or Jeter sign a personal services deal for say 10 years and get a reduced salary or even a bonus, how that would affect the salary for 2011?

  35. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:37 am

    I’m not sure that Pettitte would be interested in a 1/2 season deal. he seems to be more of the all or nothing type.

  36. blake November 3rd, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Impersonators now with registration are much worse than before because doing it requires some level of hacking…..as opposed to just typing in someone elses handle as was done previously…..I hope the powers that be act accordingly to keep this a safe place to converse.

  37. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Ray, not sure just how a personal services contract is figured into the pay system. If they sign a 3 year + 7 year personal services deal for $100 mil, is it figured as $100 mil over 3 years or over 10 years?

  38. Crawdaddy November 3rd, 2010 at 10:46 am

    I think Lee signs before Christmas. I say the week before Holidays.

  39. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Until they can track that SOB down, I’m afraid the only thing that Chad and his guys can do is fix it on a case by case basis such as banning the name and IP. doesn’t stop them from getting new addresses, though. I’d almost rather pay a $25 refundable registration fee and if that gets banned, you lose the money.

  40. RayVT November 3rd, 2010 at 10:51 am

    GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Thanks! I’m not sure either. You are probably right about Andy wanting a whole year or nothing.

  41. LGY November 3rd, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Kristen Lee reportedly unimpressed with NY housing market.

    Quoted as saying “Rent Is 2 Damn High!”

    More to come.

  42. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:54 am

    I’m unimpressed with the constant “Kristen Lee is unimpressed” phony reports.

  43. RayVT November 3rd, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Someone asked about potential FA. According to COTS:

    Potential Free Agents for 2012
    The following players have contracts expiring or should have the six years of service necessary to become free agents after the 2011 season.

    * – player whose current contract includes 2012 option

    Player Club
    First Basemen
    Prince Fielder MIL
    Ross Gload PHI
    Adrian Gonzalez SD
    Todd Helton COL *
    Ryan Howard PHI
    Casey Kotchman SEA
    Albert Pujols STL

    Second Basemen
    Clint Barmes COL
    Robinson Cano NYY *
    Jamey Carroll LAD
    Luis Castillo NYM
    Aaron Hill TOR *
    Kelly Johnson ARZ
    Brandon Phillips CIN *
    Freddy Sanchez SF
    Dan Uggla FLA
    Rickie Weeks MIL

    Shortstops
    Jason Bartlett TB
    Yuniesky Betancourt KC *
    Rafael Furcal LAD
    J.J. Hardy MIN
    John McDonald TOR
    Augie Ojeda ARZ
    Ramon Santiago DET
    Marco Scutaro BOS *
    Jack Wilson SEA

    Third Basemen
    Casey Blake LAD *
    Mark DeRosa SF
    Greg Dobbs PHI
    Edwin Encarnacion TOR
    Aramis Ramirez CHC

    Catchers
    Jason Kendall KC
    Yadier Molina STL *
    Dionar Navarro TB
    Jorge Posada NYY
    Ivan Rodriguez WAS
    Brian Schneider PHI
    Kelly Shoppach TB *
    Chris Snyder PIT *

    Outfielders
    Bobby Abreu LAA *
    Jose Bautista TOR
    Carlos Beltran NYM
    Milton Bradley SEA
    Mike Cameron BOS
    Ronny Cedeno PIT
    Ryan Church PIT
    Jack Cust OAK
    David DeJesus KC
    Matt Diaz ATL
    J.D. Drew BOS
    Jeff Francoeur TEX
    Jonny Gomes CIN
    Gabe Gross OAK
    Carlos Guillen DET
    Corey Hart MIL
    Raul Ibanez PHI
    Conor Jackson ARZ
    Ryan Ludwick SD
    Nate McLouth ATL *
    Juan Pierre CWS
    Juan Rivera LAA
    Cody Ross SF
    Grady Sizemore CLE *
    Nick Swisher NYY *
    Josh Willingham WAS

    Starting Pitchers
    Mark Buehrle CWS
    Chris Carpenter STL *
    Aaron Cook COL *
    Kyle Davies KC
    Zach Duke PIT
    Edwin Jackson CWS
    Scott Kazmir LAA *
    Brandon McCarthy TEX
    John Maine NYM
    Paul Maholm PIT
    Jason Marquis WAS
    Gil Meche KC
    Scott Olsen WAS
    Roy Oswalt PHI *
    Oliver Perez NYM
    Joel Pineiro LAA
    Wandy Rodriguez HOU
    Brian Tallet TOR
    Tim Wakefield BOS
    Chien-Ming Wang WAS
    C.J. Wilson TEX

    Relief Pitchers
    Danys Baez PHI
    Matt Belisle COL
    Heath Bell SD
    Rafael Betancourt COL
    Jonathan Broxton LAD
    Brian Bruney WAS
    Tim Byrdak HOU
    Shawn Camp TOR
    Matt Capps MIN
    Todd Coffey MIL
    Clay Condrey MIN
    Francisco Cordero CIN *
    Lance Cormier TB
    Ryan Franklin STL
    Mike Gonzalez BAL
    John Grabow CHC
    LaTroy Hawkins MIL
    Bobby Jenks CWS
    Brad Lidge PHI *
    Scott Linebrink CWS
    Javier Lopez PIT
    Ryan Madson PHI
    Damaso Marte NYY *
    Sergio Mitre NYY
    Joe Nathan MIN *
    Jonathan Papelbon BOS
    Chris Ray TEX
    Francisco Rodriguez NYM *
    Takashi Saito ATL
    George Sherrill LAD
    Carlos Silva CHC *
    Jose Valverde DET
    Tyler Walker WAS
    Michael Wuertz OAK
    Joel Zumaya DET

  44. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Thanks for that, Ray. Pat M. and I were talking a little bit about that last night.

  45. Erin November 3rd, 2010 at 11:06 am

    New Post: Clyde King dies at the age of 86

    :arrow:

  46. YankeeBlue222 November 3rd, 2010 at 11:09 am

    ***Breaking News***

    Kristen Lee reportedly disgusted with NYC pigeon problem. Says their feces would ruin her magnolias and paint off new Bentley Coupe. Now skeptical about move to NY.

    Stay tuned.

  47. GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Ray,

    not sure, but rumors are that Bobby Jenks might be non-tendered by the white sox. Depending on what he wants, he might make a reasonable bullpen option. The Diamondbacks aren’t planning on bringing Brandon Webb back, and a ST invite with a minor league contract might not be a bad choice, either.

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