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Dream fulfilled, Dan Giese retires

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 04, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

435500Dan Giese very nearly gave up on baseball, but baseball never quite gave up on him.

Back in 2005, Giese was in his seventh year in the minor leagues when his pregnant wife was in a car accident on the other side of the country. Steady Triple-A production seemed to be getting him nowhere, and so in the middle of a road trip, Giese quit to be with his wife and growing family. He literally sold cars at a Honda dealership.

Two years later, Giese made his major league debut with the Giants. In 2008, he was a surprisingly effective member of a patchwork Yankees pitching staff that leaned on Giese for 17 relief appearances and three spot starts, including an absolute gem in Anaheim.

Out of the game, then back in it, Giese is now 33 years old and retiring for good. He came back from Tommy John surgery this season only to tear his labrum while pitching for Triple-A Sacramento. He was pitching well, but the pain was too much, and Giese didn’t want to undergo another surgery.

“All I wanted to do was face one guy in the big leagues,” he said. “And I was able to do a lot more than I ever thought.”

Giese finished with a 4.22 ERA in 35 major league games. He had his best season with the Yankees, pitching to a 3.53 ERA after a call-up from Triple-A, where he was pitching out of the rotation for the first time in his career. Giese made his Major League debut as a September call-up with San Francisco in 2007 — he got an out on his first big league pitch — and he made seven appearances for Oakland in 2009 before the elbow surgery. His career minor league ERA was 2.86.

Giese will be a footnote, if that, in Yankees history. He was in and out of pinstripes quickly and unexpectedly, but he gave that 2008 team a boost when it was searching high and low for pitching. He proved himself at the Major League level, and that’s all he ever wanted in the game.

Up next, Giese said, will be a life of teaching and coaching. Probably a lot of fishing, too. And time spent with his family in California.

The numbers suggest Giese deserved more Major League chances than he got, but he got more than he ever asked for. And he always appreciated that.

The game never gives up on a guy like that.

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200 Responses to “Dream fulfilled, Dan Giese retires”

  1. upstate kate November 4th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    many thanks Chad for posting such a sweet story…all the best to Giese

  2. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Wonder if he gets a plaque in monument park ;-)

    Seriously though – I admire guys like Giese and Aaron Small who ride the busses for years and stick with it and make it to the majors as much on determination as on skill.

  3. Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Doreen-

    I saw Chip mentioned Kemp in spinning his Milledge trade fantasy. If it had just been you, I wouldn’t have said anything.

  4. Erin November 4th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Good luck to Giese! :)

  5. Doreen November 4th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Nice post, Chad. Thanks. :)

  6. ericns1 November 4th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Nice post and good luck to Giese! – he was able to live his dream.

  7. blake November 4th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    I doubt the Yankees would pursue Kemp but he’s the type of guy that could be worth taking a chance on for the right price. He’s 25 and one of the more talented players in baseball. He’s actually about the age Cano was when things clicked for him.and he has that sort of ability…..this isn’t a spare part we’re talking about.

  8. GreenBeret7 November 4th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Best of luck to Dan Giese. Unlike so many other more talented players, he got the most out of what ability he had, and, even then, it took injuries to get him out of the game.

  9. blake November 4th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    These journeymen types the Yankees find that contribute are always interesting stories…seems to be one comes along nearly every year. Best of luck to Giese

  10. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    To Bret from the last thread – no to Melky Cabrera.

    I like Melky, really do, but he was traded as much for his effect on Cano as anything else.

  11. GreenBeret7 November 4th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Blake, last year’s Dan Giese was Dustin Moseley.

  12. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Wave -

    I have no interest in trading for Matt Kemp.

    Well actually let me rephrase that – I have interest in trading for Matt Kemp but see no reason for the Yankees to do so at this time nor do I believe the Dodgers have any intention of doing it.

  13. MTU November 4th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    I’m nominating Dan Giese for the Aaron Small memorial award.

    Nice guys don’t always finish last.

    Hope his dreams continue to come true.

    :)

  14. pat November 4th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Giese sounds like he has gratitude and that usually makes for a happy life. Good luck to him.

  15. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Chip,

    Nova + Melky is more valuable than Milledge.

  16. blake November 4th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    GB,

    Small, Giese, Gaudin, Mosely….Cash is good at finding these guys….maybe 2011 will be the year where they don’t need to find one because everyone stays healthy.

  17. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Bret -

    Not if Melky distracts or sidetracks Cano.

  18. Bronx Jeers November 4th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    I saw Giese get rocked in the first game of a double-head against the Mets. Delgado had 9
    RBI’s. Game 2 was at Shea.

    It was so hot and humid we didn’t care. We were just thankful for the quick death that day.

  19. blake November 4th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Chip,

    If you could get Kemp without giving up Montero or any one of the killer B’s then Im checking into that….its a risk but at his age he could hold down a corner outfield spot for years if it panned out.

  20. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Blake -

    Very true, but I don’t see why the Dodgers would do that – They would be giving up on a potential star when his value is at 75 cents on the dollar. It’s akin to the Mets dealing Jose Reyes – on many levels it makes sense for them to do it, but on many more levels it doesn’t.

    Having said that – a trade of Reyes and Carlos Beltran to the Dodgers for Kemp and Raf Furcal would probably make sense for both teams at this point.

  21. Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    The Yanks can’t afford Kemp if they get Lee. It’s a fantasy, not happening unless they trade Swisher or Granderson.

    And both Swisher and Granderson had better years than Kemp.

  22. blake November 4th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Chip,

    I.don’t know.either…I guess it would just depend how.much financial trouble they really are in and how much of an issue they have with his reported attitude. Its unlikely but if they had a chance to buy low on him then I might.

  23. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 4th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Good story Chad.

    Just read this quote from Buck showalter about Jeter in the post and i wanted to share:

    “And I know people like to make fun of intangibles, and professionalism, and guys who set the kind of tone he does. But you know who don’t make fun of that stuff? Managers and teammates”

  24. I Like Inge November 4th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    NYY 626

    That dude Jerkface should read that quote from Buck. He was ripping Jeter to shreds yesterday, like Jeter owed him money or stole his girlfriend.

  25. Erin November 4th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    I have an irrational dislike of Matt Kemp, since everyone was always trying to trade Cano for him. :x

  26. blake November 4th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Wave,

    Maybe…I like their current outfield just fine but I don’t think its out of the realm of possibility if they could get a deal on him. His potential is tempting.

  27. Erin November 4th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    NYY626-great quote on Jeter. :)

  28. GreenBeret7 November 4th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Kemp is well on his way to doing his impression of a whale.

  29. Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    blake-

    Kemp’s a free agent in 2013. So the upside is very limited.

  30. Erin November 4th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    This is adorable: Hockey season for Joba’s little guy:

    Joba_62 Hockey Season for my man! http://yfrog.com/2f6ycgj

  31. pat November 4th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Great quote from Buck but talk is cheap and Derek won’t be. :wink:

  32. blake November 4th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    All the Sox fans that I know have been texting me about Jeter and how he’s going to be gone from the Bronx. Etc….they are practically giddy. Funny how Sox fans actually realize what he means to the Yankees even more than a lot of Yankee fans do.

  33. 108 stitches November 4th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    For some reason I felt better with Dan Giese on the mound than Burnett. At least Giese made the most of his abilities.
    Most observers will say Burnett has great stuff but he’s a roll of the dice. The confidence factor just isn’t there.

  34. blake November 4th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Gb,

    Come.on now…he could slim up and.get it together ;)

    Wave, if he started maximizing his ability then it would be.

  35. CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    “Consider this post a preemptive strike. I want to cut off some of the dumb ideas before they even start, using some good old logic and reason. The offseason is a cruel mistress, it makes us think crazy things that make us wonder what the hell we were thinking when we look back on them. So let’s get to the list …”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ost-38005/

  36. 108 stitches November 4th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Matt Kemp can’t be labeled as a difference maker.

  37. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 4th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Joba’s son is soooooooo cute. So is this kid:

    http://28.media.tumblr.com/tum.....o1_500.jpg

  38. GreenBeret7 November 4th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Kemp is close to being Carlos Lee size. Not exactly what I want see grazing in the outfield in pinstripes. he’s now at 6 foot 2 inches and 245 pounds.

  39. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 4th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    blake November 4th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    All the Sox fans that I know have been texting me about Jeter and how he’s going to be gone from the Bronx. Etc….they are practically giddy. Funny how Sox fans actually realize what he means to the Yankees even more than a lot of Yankee fans do.

    ___________________________________________________________________
    Blake – the comments from some yankees fans this year disgusted me. One bad year ( and it was bad by derek standards, not SS standards) and everyone is trashing him. Horrible.

  40. MTU November 4th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    IMO the focus this off season will continue to be on Pitching.

    Starting pitching in particular.

    What the Giants did to the Rangers wasn’t lost on Cash and co.

    It was the superior pitching that made the difference.

    It’s something the Yankees now covet even more than offense.

  41. blake November 4th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Gb,

    Baby fat…Arod would run that off him ;) honestly im dropping the Matt Kemp thing now.

  42. SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    I think those who are looking for a deep, dramatic turnover of the roster this year are going to be deeply disappointed.

    They arent going to have a 10 million dollar bench.

    They will eventually sign Jeter.

    If Mariano and/or Pettitte want to return, they will get those deals done.

    The OF? Absent something good falling into their laps, I don’t see them moving off of Gardner-Granderson-Swisher.

    Catcher? This is one area I think they will address.

    It may be as simple as incorporating Montero into the mix. Or, they may bring in a veteran “bridge” guy.

    Either way, I think they will do something to upgrade that position.

    LH reliever? I’m sure they would love another guy.

    I don’t think it would be Downs. Could be Randy Choate.

    Unless he tells them he wants no part of them, which he won’t, Cliff Lee is the guy they want. He is THE priority this off-season.

    Everything else is well down the list.

  43. Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    I’d like to point out that no one, not even jerkface, “trashed” Derek Jeter yesterday.

    Pointing out, rightly or wrongly, that a great player had a seriously off year by his standards and may not bounce back in the future is not trashing the player.

    All great players decline at some point.

  44. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    “It’s something the Yankees now covet even more than offense.”

    Think it’s something every team covets more than offense.

  45. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    I don’t expect Pettitte to retire…

    But for the sake of discussion, let’s say he does and the Yankees sign Cliff Lee in his place.

    Do you stop spending there or do you go out and sign Carl Crawford?

  46. Erin November 4th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 November 4th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    Joba?s son is soooooooo cute. So is this kid:

    http://28.media.tumblr.com/tum…..o1_500.jpg

    *****************************
    That’s a great picture. :)

  47. Erin November 4th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    BloggingBombers I like the analogy. RT @ch029448 Yanks NOT re-signing Jeter would be like Disney not re-signing Mickey Mouse.

    :lol:

  48. hardwired7 November 4th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    I hope the fish are biting for you, Dan.

    Chad wasn’t kidding about Geise having stellar minor league career: 20 games over .500 w/a 2.86 ERA. I guess if you’re not 6’5″, can’t throw 95+ or you’re not a lefty it’s tough to get a look, even w/these #s:

    http://www.baseball-reference......ese-001dan

  49. blake November 4th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    I think the Yankees are serious when they say they wont be going after Crawford.

  50. CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    MTU,

    You are correct. But I think the WS just reinforced the path Cash has been on for the past few years. Grow your own pitchers so you dont have to ever spend 85 mil on a guy like AJ again. As fans, we have to hope that Hughes progresses (I believe he will) and that at least one of the arms in the farm right now turns into a legit MLB starter.

    That’s why you stockpile high upside arms (Brackman, Banuelos, Betances, Noesi, Phelps, Nova, Warren, Marshall, etc…). The more you have, the better the odds that one of them survives and thrives.

  51. Giuseppe Franco November 4th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    # blake November 4th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    I think the Yankees are serious when they say they wont be going after Crawford.

    ——–

    It was obvious months ago that the Yanks weren’t going after Crawford. Some people just refuse to believe it.

  52. Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    It is very hard to predict the Yanks’ off-season, because so much depends on Lee.

    If they sign Lee and Pettitte, they are going to have to do something or their payroll is going to be $225M+.

    Unless Hal is just completely blowing smoke, that doesn’t leave room for a veteran catcher or much of anything else.

    And, if they sign Lee, they will have an incentive to trade Swisher or Granderson to get the payroll down. I’m not saying they will, but they have the pieces to deal one of those guys and get back an equivalent outfielder costing much less.

    If they don’t sign Lee, then they have more payroll room, but many more questions.

  53. CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    I think if Pettitte retires the Yanks will have to get another pitcher (and that’s assuming they’ve already signed Lee). And if so, I would guess it will be through a trade, because the FA market is WEAK.

  54. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    “I think the Yankees are serious when they say they wont be going after Crawford.”

    I do too. Also believe Hal S when he says the budget will be in the same neighborhood as 2010. To me that means 1 high end FA this year. If Lee signs here, I don’t see them going after Crawford.

  55. MTU November 4th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Mell-

    I don’t think every team “covets” great pitching.

    Some teams seem to want to settle for mediocrity in that area, and still think they can slug their way to championships.

    It’s something that needs to be made a “priority” throughout an organization. A laser-like focus.

    The Yankees have the resources and mindset to do just that.

  56. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    “If they sign Lee and Pettitte, they are going to have to do something or their payroll is going to be $225M+.”

    That high, eh? Wow. I thought as it stood, they’d be able to sign Lee and bring Pettitte back and stay in the $210M-$215M range. Maybe I’m not factoring in some arb numbers.

  57. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Blake,

    “We are better with Crawford, but at that price?” a Yankees source told Feinsand. “I’m not sure it’s that good of an upgrade.”

    You can interpret this quote 2 ways:

    1)It is a declaration from the Yankees front office that they will not pursue Carl Crawford.

    2)It is posturing and a message to Crawford that the Yankees would be interested at the right price.

    “Unless they parted with (Gardner, Granderson or Swisher), I’m not sure where they would fit,” Feinsand’s source said of Crawford and Werth.

    You can interpret this quote to mean 2 things.

    1)There’s nothing the Yankees can do if they sign Crawford, they’d be stuck with too many OF’s.

    2)We like Gardner and don’t see him as a bench player and don’t want to trade him for nothing. Some team would have to come to us with a strong offer for one of our outfielders.

    Again, posturing.

    It’s early in the off season.

    Too early to make absolute conclusions now.

  58. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    I think those who are looking for a deep, dramatic turnover of the roster this year are going to be deeply disappointed.
    ——————–

    I tend to agree with you. You saw my initial thought of what the team would do this winter. But I can’t argue with fans who want to have a little more fun with it than is probably realistic.

    As for the bench – I agree it won’t be a 10 mil bench but an objective look at recent Yankee teams tells you Cashman’s probably going to look for another veteran guy on it even if the team retains Thames. It won’t be someone earth shattering; but a Scott Hairston type of guy.

    Downs I think depends on compensation – if the Jays offer him arbitration then I think he either becomes Juan Cruz or a team like Boston that is going to get picks for a player of their own will be more likely to get him.

  59. MTU November 4th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    CC-

    I agree. Much to my great delight Pitching has been on Cash’s mind for some time now.

    I hope it continues.

    It’s amazing what you can do as a team with a rag-tag offense (The Giants) and superior pitching.

    It works wonders.

    :)

  60. blake November 4th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    The Yankees will have around 40 million coming off the books sometime in the next couple years (when Posada, Rivera, and Pettite finally hang Uhm up) that hopefully they can replace cheaply from within……knowing that COULD allow them to stretch the payroll a bit this year…..having said that, if they do sign Lee I can’t imagine them doing much else.

  61. MTU November 4th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    WYH-

    JMHO but I think the budget has a “soft” cieling.

  62. Doreen November 4th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    WYH =

    I don’t know, jerkface came awfully close. :?

  63. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    My bet is Crawford winds up with the Angels – Torri Hunter started recruiting him months ago.

  64. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    I think if Pettitte retires the Yanks will have to get another pitcher (and that’s assuming they’ve already signed Lee). And if so, I would guess it will be through a trade, because the FA market is WEAK.
    ************

    You’re not comfortable with CC, Lee, Hughes, Burnett, Nova along with Brackman waiting in AAA as well as Betances and Banuelos in AA?

  65. Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Mell-

    I’m figuring Hughes gets $4-5M, Joba gets $2-3M and Logan around $1M. I’m figuring Andy gets $11M, Derek $15M and Lee somewhere between $20-25M. I’m then figuring they fill out the team with guys earning between the minimum and $1M.

  66. I Like Inge November 4th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Yeah pointing all the negatives of Jeter’s game is pretty much trashing. He has way more positives in his game than negatives.

  67. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    MTU:

    I think everyone covets great pitching. They just can’t all pay for it and therefore take the backdoor route of trying to hit their way there.

  68. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    It’s also interesting that Feinsand’s “Yankees” source refers to the Yankees as “They” rather than “We”. He’s not an insider and he’s not privy to plans, let alone absolute declarations of intent.

  69. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    I wonder what about Hal Steinbrenner is not understood by some. He’s a rather cold, calculating businessman to whom adherence to a budget means something. This is just my opinion but it’s based on more than just that. It’s based on his statements, interviews, demeanor and some evidence. Aside from going after Lee and resigning Pettitte, there will probably not be any other major signings.

    The Yankees have made their bed and they are going to sleep in it for the forseable future. They have and will be paying the piper for contracts that are too long and accordingly are stuck with aging players whose skills are diminishing, i.e., A-Rod, Jeter, Burnett and Posada.

    They are placing great hope in their farm system and that’s to be applauded if it works out. But that is a crap shoot more often than not and until a player performs consistently on the major league level – the jury is out. They certainly are not among the top ranked systems in baseball.

    The Yankees are also placing a great deal of faith in Swisher, Gardner and Granderson repeating their 2010 performances, that to me is anything but a sure thing.

  70. Bxpapito November 4th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Congrats Dan Giese ….. You were a very reliable pitcher for us in 2008.

  71. CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Bret,

    Most teams would be fine with that rotation. But I can’t imagine a team like the Yanks being Ok with that many questions. They have no idea what they’d get out of AJ or Nova and Hughes is a bit of a question too because of the amount of innings he threw last yr. People don’t like to hear about it, but pitchers tend to struggle the yr after a huge jump.

  72. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    My more conservative NYY Winter:

    Re-sign: Andy, Jeter, Mo, Thames
    Sign: Lee, Choate, Fuentes, Bloomquist
    Promote: Montero, Nunez
    Delete: Pena, Wood, Berkman, Johnson, Javy, Mitre, Gaudin, Kearns

    25 Man Roster:
    Jeter – SS
    Swisher – RF
    Tex – 1b
    Alex – 3b
    Cano – 2b
    Posada – DH/C
    Granderson – CF
    Montero – DH/C
    Gardner – LF

    Bench: Cervelli, Nunez, Thames, Bloomquist

    Rotation:
    CC, Lee, Hughes, Andy, AJ

    Pen
    LHP: Logan, Choate, Fuentes (who would also serve to set up Rivera)
    RHP: Robertson, Mo, Joba, Moseley/Nova

  73. CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    The 2011 Yankees don’t have any holes in the field besides catcher. People keep saying “I think they’re only going to get Lee”. Well, that’s because they don’t ned to get anyone else. Crawford and Werth would be slight upgrades at a ton more money. There would be no reason to go after one of them. If the Yanks make a position change, it will be by trade and it will come out of nowhere, like Granderson last yr.

  74. CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Chip,

    did you read that article I posted above from RAB? Check it out, they may change your mind on Bloomquist.

  75. Mike Ri November 4th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan- i think your a little over the top

    Jeter is what he is . .He won’t make or break this team.. We can deal with him for another 3 years.

    Arod – Will be our DH for sometime . . But i’ll take 25 to 30 hrs and 90 to 100 rbis the next 3 to 4 years… after that we’ll have to bite the bullet

    AJ- Had one bad year .. Remember he did win game 2 of the World Series last year. I expect under the guidance of the right pitching coach he’ll come back somewhere between 2008 and 2009. If we get Lee. . he’ll be our number 4.. not so bad

    Posada — GONE after this season. thank god !

    Gardner- is cheap and under team controll
    Granderson – i like him alot . . .but he’s moveable
    Swisher – last year , and moveable

    ITs a filtering Process ! . I just don’t see the cluster of “old” players that some do

  76. Bxpapito November 4th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    I wonder what about Hal Steinbrenner is not understood by some. He’s a rather cold, calculating businessman to whom adherence to a budget means something. This is just my opinion but it’s based on more than just that. It’s based on his statements, interviews, demeanor and some evidence. Aside from going after Lee and resigning Pettitte, there will probably not be any other major signings.

    The Yankees have made their bed and they are going to sleep in it for the forseable future. They have and will be paying the piper for contracts that are too long and accordingly are stuck with aging players whose skills are diminishing, i.e., A-Rod, Jeter, Burnett and Posada.

    They are placing great hope in their farm system and that’s to be applauded if it works out. But that is a crap shoot more often than not and until a player performs consistently on the major league level – the jury is out. They certainly are not among the top ranked systems in baseball.

    The Yankees are also placing a great deal of faith in Swisher, Gardner and Granderson repeating their 2010 performances, that to me is anything but a sure thing.

    ———————————–
    I agree with you 100% West Coast….And I’ll be satisfied if they just sign Lee to a 4yr Contract, bring Jeter and Pettite back and sign better bench players such as Melky. And I hope relying on the farm system works out just look how it turned out in San Francisco.

  77. 11 CF November 4th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Great article Chad.

    Giese had some gutty performances. I went to the game he started against the Reds in ’08, I think he was filling in for Wang. Very economical I think he made it through 3 in under 30 pitches, and he kept them in it. Too bad the Yankees couldn’t score for him. He was a guy I was hoping to see back in ’09 and succeed down the road. Best of luck to him.

  78. SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Bret,

    You are overthinking this, as you tend to do, when you get fixated on a player.

    From a team perspective, especially the Yankees, there aren’t a lot of secrets involving free agents anymore. Especially this years class.

    Between agent relationships, personal relationships, and sponsor contacts (for example, now that the Yankees are a Nike team, they will know everything they need to know about guys with Nike deals), the Yankees know which guys are interested in them and which guys are just using them to drive up the bidding.

    The backchannel work that goes on these days is extensive and borders on tampering. Every team does it. The Yankees, because of who they are, have a big advantage in this area. That’s how the game is played these days.

    Carl Crawford is very tight with CC. You can be sure the Yankees know all about where his priorities are going into the process.

    Early indications are, he wants to play in Anaheim.

    The Yankees know everything they need to know about Cliff Lee.

    Jayson Werth? Jayson’s father Dennis, a former Yankee, is very close friends with Reggie Jackson and Reggie has known Jayson since he was a kid.

    One thing the Yankees do very well is not waste time when it comes to pursuing free agents.

    They know going in who they want and who wants them.

    It then gets down to money, as these things always do.

  79. Joe from Long Island November 4th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Real nice post, Chad. Sounds similar to Aaron Small, and countless other career journeymen or minor league ballplayers. They love the game so much, and all they want is a chance. And they put their lives – their grown up, adult, time to be a mature adult and take care of my family lives – on hold, while their families support them, financially and emotionally. I thank Dan Geise for how he played for my Yankees, and wish him the best.

  80. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Country Club –

    Fair enough – substitute Scott Hairston or another such player – we can call him “Veteran Bench Guy X” for now.

  81. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    I think in an ideal world the Yankees would very much love to upgrade from Swisher to Werth in RF.

    Werth is a little bit older but I think they view him as a more consistent long term performer than Swisher who, let’s face it, pulled a tremendous year out of nowhere.

    I think internally they have a lot of the same reservations that they had about giving Swisher a long term deal that they had about giving Soriano one; but finding the right Swisher deal isn’t as obvious as the deal they found with Texas for Soriano.

  82. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    Bret,

    You are overthinking this, as you tend to do, when you get fixated on a player.

    From a team perspective, especially the Yankees, there aren’t a lot of secrets involving free agents anymore.

    *************

    There will always be some level of secrecy when the Yankees and Red Sox are angling for the same free agent. That’s why Tex was such a surprise.

    We’re seeing a repeat of the same signals and statements now.

    The Yankees like Crawford (Tex) BUT, they’re concerned about cost.

    It’s like watching a rerun.

    Furthermore, I’m not overthinking anything.

    Feinsand’s “Yankees” source clearly referred to the Yankees as “They” instead of “We”.

    Maybe Feinsand was overanalyzing the Yankees plans without a true inside source to provide concrete definitive statements.

    But that’s his job.

  83. hardwired7 November 4th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    I was always hoping Giese would have more success w/the Yanks. “Giese is Nice” was like a 1-inch putt as far as catch phrases go.

  84. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    It’s also tricky for the Yankees in regards to their LF situation. If they come out aggressively and publicly for Crawford, it shows an urgency to move Gardner which kind of diminishes his trade value. The Yankees are kind of in a position where they have to conduct themselves as if they have no room for Crawford, even if they can make room for him.

  85. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    “The Yankees are also placing a great deal of faith in Swisher, Gardner and Granderson repeating their 2010 performances, that to me is anything but a sure thing.”

    I’d think they’d expect better from Granderson. He was pretty brutal (or injured) for about 4.5 months. Swisher has been pretty consistent (.869 OPS in ’09, .870 in ’10). No reason to think he won’t be in the same ballpark again. Gardner’s a question mark I suppose, but you have to like that OBP out of someone playing full time for the 1st time. I’m pretty confident in this group being as strong or perhaps stronger.

  86. SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Tex was a secret to the fans. He wasn’t a secret to the industry.

    Everybody in the industry knew the Yankees wanted him.

    Nobody knew if Hal would approve the money after they signed CC and AJ.

    Don’t confuse fan secrecy with team secrecy. Its two entirely different things.

    The Red Sox knew the Yankees were in on Tex. That’s why they went to Dallas to try and close the deal.

    They just didn’t know how high Hal would go because he was new to the scene.

  87. Erin November 4th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    RiverAveBlues On this day in 2009: The Yankees won the World Series.

    :D

  88. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Also, by not coming out aggressively for Crawford, it shows a respect for players within the organization.

    There’s a more obvious hole in the rotation with Vazquez having bombed and heading out via free agency.

    They can safely rave about Cliff Lee all they want but again, they can’t get too crazy because they don’t want to inflate his value.

  89. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    Tex was a secret to the fans. He wasn’t a secret to the industry.

    Everybody in the industry knew the Yankees wanted him.

    Nobody knew if Hal would approve the money after they signed CC and AJ.

    Don’t confuse fan secrecy with team secrecy. Its two entirely different things.

    The Red Sox knew the Yankees were in on Tex. That’s why they went to Dallas to try and close the deal.

    They just didn’t know how high Hal would go because he was new to the scene.

    ***********

    Right, you never want to come out aggressively for a player only to lose him to your rival in an embarrassing situation.

    The Yankees play that game.

  90. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    “There will always be some level of secrecy when the Yankees and Red Sox are angling for the same free agent. That’s why Tex was such a surprise.

    We’re seeing a repeat of the same signals and statements now.

    The Yankees like Crawford (Tex) BUT, they’re concerned about cost”

    Teixeira was necessary to the Yankees success. They needed a bat of that magnitude to succeed and accordingly Cashman sought and was granted a payroll exception by the Steinbrenners.

    Crawford doesn’t fit this criteria in any regard.

  91. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Potential Swisher deal:

    Chicago Cubs get: Nick Swisher, Kevin Russo and cash
    NYY get: Blake DeWitt and Sean Marshall

    again, this is just off the top of my head and based on nothing more than the fact that the Cubs could use Swish either at 1b or in RF if they can find someplace to dump Fukudome and I know Swisher’s dad used to play for them.

    For the Yankees, Marshall is a solid up and coming LHRP and DeWitt would be a nice addition to the Yankee bench.

  92. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    “The Yankees are also placing a great deal of faith in Swisher, Gardner and Granderson repeating their 2010 performances, that to me is anything but a sure thing.”

    I’d think they’d expect better from Granderson. He was pretty brutal (or injured) for about 4.5 months. Swisher has been pretty consistent (.869 OPS in ‘09, .870 in ‘10). No reason to think he won’t be in the same ballpark again. Gardner’s a question mark I suppose, but you have to like that OBP out of someone playing full time for the 1st time. I’m pretty confident in this group being as strong or perhaps stronger.

    ******************

    If it works out that way it will be a real positive for the Yankees on the field and for their youth/cost control movement. I hope the optimism is right on the money. There just isn’t the long-term consistent track record of success that some players provide, hence my uncertainty.

  93. Nick in SF November 4th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    I think the Yankees will be so unaggressive about signing Crawford… they won’t sign Crawford!

    You’ll $ee.

  94. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Mell,

    Crawford hit into 2 DP’s in all of 2010.

    You might like Swisher in the 2 hole.

    I don’t.

  95. SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Red Sox are picking up Ortiz’s option.

  96. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Nick in SF,

    $$$$ure thing.

    :)

    Congrats to the GIANTS.

    Hope you won some money there.

  97. BaseballGames November 4th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Why can’t the Yankees pay somebody to go to Cuba and kidnap Yulieski Gourriel and bring him over? Now that would solve the SS situation in the spot :D

  98. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    “They can safely rave about Cliff Lee all they want but again, they can’t get too crazy because they don’t want to inflate his value”

    That horse may have left the barn when they offered one of the game’s two or three best hitting prospects a few months back for 2 months of his services and the strong liklihood that he’d sign well beyond that.

  99. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    To expound on SJ44′s point -

    We all know the Yankees are in on Cliff Lee.

    But I would be willing to bet all the money in my pockets against all the money in your pockets that if Cashman has conversations with the representatives for Crawford and/or Werth and there’s a deal there that makes sense, he will go back to Hal, present the option to him, explain why this is or isn’t a good long term fit for the club and, at the end of the day, Hal will approve the move if Brian thinks it’s the right thing to do.

    Much of the same logic that applied in the Tex scenario “Spend now because there’s nothing worth spending on next year” could apply to this free agent class as well.

    The marquee guys next year are Pujols, Prince and Papelbon – none of whom will be Yankees.

  100. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Mell,

    Like I said, they can rave but they can’t get to crazy.

    holy shat.

  101. Nick in SF November 4th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    I did win a bit on the Giants for the Series, but that was more than offset by the Yanks not winning the Pennant or the Series. :mad:

    The parade was great though. Yesterday was one of the greatest days in SF history. So much pure joy all around the city. It was quite a thing to behold.

  102. DaSaint007 November 4th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    IMO Yankee priorities are as follows:
    1. Resign Derek Jeter. He’s not getting a raise
    2. Resign Mariano Rivera. He’s not getting a raise either
    3. Sign Cliff Lee
    4. Resign Andy Pettitte
    5. Resign Marcus Thames
    6. Sign major bullpen arm: Kerry Wood, Brian Fuentes, or JJ Putz

  103. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Chip,

    Precisely.

    Assuming the Yankees use their post 2010 savings to sign Lee…stilll…there’s 21 million coming off after 2011 and nothing to spend it on because the 2012 is so low quality.

    You spend that money now on Crawford.

    Holliday makes 17 million per season.

    There’s your ceiling.

  104. Joe from Long Island November 4th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    SJ is right – The Yanks know exactly who they want, and who wants them. They’ve known this for a long time. Even I see this, and I have no inside contacts. This is just good business.

    And, they know how they’re going to go about getting the players they want. They’re not getting outbid on Lee, and once you hear about them making an offer, to me, that signifies that they want him and vice-versa. The Yanks are not going to be wasting anyone’s time.

    While the main features of the team will not change next year – CC, Jeter, Alex, Mariano, Cano, etc. – and they are not fishing for a trade just to make one, I think that they are doing things to change the team over the next 1-2 years.

    Montero and Brackman. Laird, Nunez, and Romine and Phelps . And then Betances, Banuelos. These are the players on the horizon, for the NYY and to be used in trades as necessary, that Cash is going to for the roster changeover that winning teams must use to stay on top.

    To keep a team young and productive, without going thru a traditional rebuilding campaign; while staying not just competitve but staying at the highest level in the game – that’s one heck of a challenge. Cash has a job with demands like nowhere else. I think that he and the Yanks have done a creditable job of meeting that challenge.

    I know, many may not agree with this. It’s just my $0.02.

  105. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    WCYF:

    I think Swisher has demonstrated enough to buy in to expecting him to be a 25-30 HR, 80-90 RBI guy with an OPS in the .860-.870 range. With the exception of a tough 2008, that’s what he’s been the last 5 seasons. Gardner? Well, maybe I feel too good about the OBP. That said, I’m a lot more confident in his ability to contribute and even improve, than I would be if he hit .300 with a .330 OBP. Plate discipline is more inherent than tought, IMO.

  106. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Bret -

    I think it’s more likely the Yankees would spend on Werth than Crawford. Just a feeling I have.

  107. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Bret -

    But of course that feeling is based on the thought that they would rather move Swisher than Gardner or Granderson.

  108. Nick in SF November 4th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    I would be happy to bet $25 with someone reputable that the Yankees will not sign Werth!

  109. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Joe,

    Agreed.

    If the Yankees miss out on Lee it will be because he turned down the highest contract to sign somewhere else.

    He’s been with Texas for about a minute so I don’t think there’s the deep loyalty or sentimentality that some people have espoused there to be drawing on him to return to Arlington.

  110. LGY November 4th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    “Werth is a little bit older but I think they view him as a more consistent long term performer than Swisher who, let’s face it, pulled a tremendous year out of nowhere.”

    —————————————–

    Nick Swisher

    2006: 125 OPS+
    2007: 126 OPS+
    2009: 122 OPS+
    2010: 130 OPS+

  111. tom tresh 15 November 4th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    GB7,

    Hope all is well there. On the Clyde King post. Back in the summer I watched Charleston one weekend. Rob Lyerly’s family was there. Turns out Rob was related to Clyde. I think it was his Aunt telling me she had some balls signed by Mantle.

    My point being Lyerly has some baseball genes in his blood

  112. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    LGY -

    Stat aside, I don’t think anyone with a pair of eyes will argue that Nick Swisher was better this year than he was last year and far better than he was 2 years ago (which I notice you left out ;-) )

  113. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Seeing Holliday at 17 million per season, you have to wonder if the Yankees radio silence on him last year and their refusal to allow Holliday/Boras to use he Yankees as a price driver was a pre-emptive move to keep Holliday’s salary in check which in effect set a precedent for their real target just one year away.

    That being said, I think the Yankees would’ve taken Holliday at 15 million per.

    The Cardinals outbid themselves.

    Nevertheless, 17 million is the ceiling for premiere LF.

    That’s where we are now.

    Congrats to the Yanks for not getting in a bidding war for Holliday.

  114. Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Chip, that’s true about the Sox – it worked out for them as well as it could have and now they get 2 good picks. This kind of thing never seems to work for the Yankees………….

  115. LGY November 4th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    “Stat aside, I don’t think anyone with a pair of eyes will argue that Nick Swisher was better this year than he was last year and far better than he was 2 years ago (which I notice you left out ;-) )”

    ——————————-

    Yeah definitely. I would take Swisher 2010 over Swisher 2009, but it certainly was not of nowhere.

    I left out 2008 because I was just pointing out it was not out of nowhere. Swisher has consistently been a very good player in his career.

    2010 was his best so far but it wasn’t a huge leap in performance or anything.

  116. Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Country Club, that’s what I would do if Andy retires – no kids in that 5th spot. Now if we don’t get Lee (watch some team come out of nowhere and blow him away) and Andy retires…….ouch.

  117. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    “Stat aside, I don’t think anyone with a pair of eyes will argue that Nick Swisher was better this year than he was last year”

    He took a little different route (a better one, IMO) getting their, but the ’09 and ’10 results were pretty much the same. Big difference was he traded walks for singles.

  118. Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    CC, no one wants to hear it. I’ve raised that point several times about pitchers struggling the year after a heavy workload.

  119. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees ever had any real interest in Holliday.

    The Yankees’ motto has always been that their LF’s need to have the range of a CF and that is not Matt Holliday.

    Plus the deal for Granderson was there and he is a bargain compared to Holliday, brings better defense and hits left handed (no small advantage in Yankee Stadium)

    Throw in the fact that the club had just won the WS so there wasn’t really the urgancy to make major additions.

    The question I have is this:

    What is this year’s “out of the blue” deal for the Yankees

    Two years ago we as fans were shocked with the addition of Tex
    Last year it was the Granderson and Javy deals that were never reported as rumors until they happened.

    So what happens this year?

  120. 108 stitches November 4th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Gil Patterson will interview with the Yankees’ brass next week at Yankee Stadium for the pitching coach vacancy.

    george.king@nypost.com

  121. DaSaint007 November 4th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Good point Bret. Crawford is not getting more than $15 million per season, as arguably, he’s not better than Holliday. But since he’s 29, he probably will get a 5 year or 6 year deal. Not sure if the Yankees think he’s that much of an upgrade than Gardner who seems to have much upside.

  122. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    LGY November 4th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    “Stat aside, I don’t think anyone with a pair of eyes will argue that Nick Swisher was better this year than he was last year and far better than he was 2 years ago (which I notice you left out )”

    ——————————-

    Yeah definitely. I would take Swisher 2010 over Swisher 2009, but it certainly was not of nowhere.

    I left out 2008 because I was just pointing out it was not out of nowhere. Swisher has consistently been a very good player in his career.

    2010 was his best so far but it wasn’t a huge leap in performance or anything.
    —————–

    LGY -

    Fair enough, but let me ask you – are you comfortable investing in Swisher with a new contract when this one runs out or do you try to move him while his value is high and lock up a guy like Werth?

  123. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Ranking the top 50 FA according to SI:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  124. Doreen November 4th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    If the Yankees sign Lee, and Pettitte does not return, it is the perfect opportunity to put a home grown pitcher in the rotation at the #5 spot. If you can’t do it with CC and Lee in the #1 and #2 spots, when can you do it? And if you don’t do it then, when will you ever do it?

    Perfect conditions never exist.

    If you’re not going to promote your youngsters until it’s a sure thing, why even bother saying that’s your eventual plan?

    And if you’re never going to trust untested (on the ML level) pitchers, you can’t then be upset if the rotation is “store bought.”

  125. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    RIP Sparky Anderson

  126. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Chip,

    The surprise move will be the Yankees bring in a closer 1 year in advance of Mo’s retirement.

    Lee is the longterm replacement for Pettitte.

    One of Montero/Romine/Sanchez is the long term replacement for Jorge.

    What about Mo?

    It’s JOAKIM SORIA, Bret The Hitman’s faaavorite man crush!

    WO HOOOOOOO

    Joba busting is really a catalyst on this one.

  127. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan –

    That list illustrates just how awful this free agent class is.

    Jorge de la Rosa has a HUGE Buyer Beware sticker on him in my opinion.

  128. Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Doreen, I have no problem with giving kids a shot……..but not when I feel the rest of the rotation is uncertain. If we have Lee, then yes – CC and Lee are absolutely fantastic. After that, then there are ? for me. I’m not willing to go with Phil and 2 #5s………..Once Phil establishes himself (hopefully after next year), then I will be all for a kid in the #5 spot.

    RIP Sparky

  129. Joe from Long Island November 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Sparky’s gone? An oldtime baseball man, who contributed a lot to the game. May he rest in peace.

    Doreen – agreed. If not now, when? It’s not like there’s a lot to choose from out there, and I don’t think Cash will trade a lot in order to give him what he may well already have in place here.

  130. Warning Track Power November 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    how many more days until Yankees spring training 2011 begins???

  131. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan – That list illustrates just how awful this free agent class is. Jorge de la Rosa has a HUGE Buyer Beware sticker on him in my opinion.

    *************

    You’re right. I wouldn’t touch de la Rosa. Pretty comprehensive list that’s fun to look at though.

  132. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Bret -

    What are you dealing to get Soria?

  133. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Lee + Crawford + Soria + Melky (4th OF)

    That’s a coup.

  134. LGY November 4th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    “LGY -

    Fair enough, but let me ask you – are you comfortable investing in Swisher with a new contract when this one runs out or do you try to move him while his value is high and lock up a guy like Werth?”

    ———————————————-

    Neither.

    The Yankees are locked up in the IF for the foreseeable future and then some.

    They need to maintain flexibility and youth in the OF.

  135. DaSaint007 November 4th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    I’d like the “out of the blue” deal to be Rafael Soriano, but he’s a Type A, or Joakim Soria from KC.

  136. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Chip,

    Gardner + Joba + prospect

  137. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Hey Betsy – what do you mean after Phil Hughes establishes himself. 18-8 with a 4.19 ERA is outstanding for a number 5 starter.

  138. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Why would Soria come to the Yankees to be a setup guy when he can close for Chicago? He’s going to get $12 million plus and we sure aren’t paying him that right?

  139. SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    19 wins and an all star berth in your first full year of starting IS establishing yourself.

    Your continued uncertainty toward Phil Hughes is not shared by the Yankees.

    Whether Lee signs with the Yankees or not, its not about the fifth starter.

    Its about starters 5-7 since, you figure at least 7 guys will make starts next year.

    You can be sure at least 2 of them will be kids from the system.

    You don’t waste payroll dollars on starters 5-7.

  140. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Typo I meant Soriano.

  141. Nick in SF November 4th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    2010-2011 Hot Stove Fantasy Trade Game:

    1. Identify a player you want from another team.

    2. Build a trade around Brett Gardner to acquire him.

  142. DaSaint007 November 4th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Bret, seriously.
    Lee – sure.
    Crawford – love him, but don’t want to move anyone from our OF. Gardy off the bench? Maybe.
    Soria – I’m with you on that.
    Melky – his time came and went. Gardy off the bench.

  143. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    Chip,

    Gardner + Joba + prospect
    ——————

    LOL I like it but you’re going to have to get KC’s GM pretty drunk to get that one done I’m afraid.

  144. Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    West Coast, I am not going to get into any arguments here, but I want to see Phil establish himself as a real #3 type pitcher before I start bringing in more kids.

  145. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Chip,

    Depends on the prospect.

  146. SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    ret,

    That won’t even get the phone call returned from the Royals.

    Also, Soria has the Yankees on his no trade list.

    If Mo comes back, he’s not approving a trade to setup for Mo.

  147. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    I’m Jim Cramer and you’re watching CNBC

    I’m saying SELL SELL SELL that Gardner stock.

    Overbought. Bearish chart.

    SELL

  148. DaSaint007 November 4th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    I can dream, can’t I? Salary aside, I think being on the Yankees has it’s own appeal, and setting up or spelling Mariano ain’t no insult, particularly when you can inherit the job in a year or two.

    I’d trade Montero and Joba for Soria though. Why? Austine Romine.

  149. Phil in Columbus November 4th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    I can see Swisher getting better. He is just now turning 30 and proved he will work to get better. Plus he can handle playing in NYC, that is always an unknown when bringing players in from outside the organization. I also think the suprise for the Yanks next year, is a improved AJ, I just think the right pitching coach can fix him. He has too much talent.

  150. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Nick:

    Padres get: Gardner, Joba, Cervelli and Adam Warren
    Yankees get: Chase Headley, Nick Hundley and Luke Gregerson

  151. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Betsy – not an argument at all, just a baseball discussion it was an honest question. I don’t see any correlation between the age of another pitcher and Phil Hughes. The club will decide if any of the young guys are ready for a shot in the show – they will have to perform at a high level at SWB first.

  152. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    SJ44,

    Soria would be setting up Mo for 1 year only.

    The NTC is a small hurdle because the Yankees could easily pick up Soria’s option years totaling 22.75 million dollars guaranteed money.

    Soria is only guaranteed through 2011.

    If anything happens to him, KC will erase that 22.75 million dollars in a heartbeat and flush it down the toilet.

    Joakim Soria rhp
    3 years/$8.75M (2009-11), plus 2012-14 club options
    3 years/$8.75M (2009-11), plus 2012-14 club options
    signed extension with Kansas City 5/17/08
    09:$1M, 10:$3M, 11:$4M, 12:$6M club option, 13:$8M club option, 14:$8.75M club option ($0.75M buyout for each option)

  153. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Soria would be setting up Mo for 1 year only.

    ************

    The Yankees can’t guaranty that to Soria. This is not Mo’s last year for sure.

  154. Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    WC, not an argument with you, but I hesitate to post about this topic since it’s a pretty sensitive one around here…..

  155. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    All kidding aside; I think the chances of getting Soria or Soriano to agree to come to the Yankees to set up (even for one year) are as slim as the odds of getting a catcher to come to the Yankees this year to back up Posada and Montero.

  156. Bret The Hitman November 4th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    West Coast,

    Doesn’t matter. Check those option years.

    They can guarantee 23 million dollars.

    If something happens to Soria in 2011, KC will flush that money down the toilet.

  157. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    WC, not an argument with you, but I hesitate to post about this topic since it’s a pretty sensitive one around here…..

    **************

    OK sure, that’s your right. Never mind then. :)

  158. Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    I like Swisher, but all he did in 2010 was trade 40 walks for 40 singles. His BABiP climbed 63 points from .272 to .335.

    That certainly made him a more productive hitter in 2010, but it is well known that BA is more variable than the BB component of OBP.

    If his BABiP falls even 25 points in 2011, he will be less productive as a hitter in 2011 than he was in 2009.

  159. Bronx Jeers November 4th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    The Yankees will be hosting a “Breakfast with Santa” event at the Stadium this year. No word on whether or not Cliff Lee will be coming down the chimney.

    Anybody remember the “Breakfast with The Yankees” scene from the movie Sea of Love? That was a good one.

  160. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    Chip, that’s true about the Sox – it worked out for them as well as it could have and now they get 2 good picks. This kind of thing never seems to work for the Yankees………….
    ——————-

    Boston’s also had their share of failures with it:

    Hermida
    Baldelli
    Smoltz
    Penny

    They just try it more often than the Yankees do.

  161. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    I think the chances of either Soria or Soriano coming here are about 5% at best. Just my opinion.

  162. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    I think the chances of either Soria or Soriano coming here are about 5% at best. Just my opinion.
    —————

    You’re about 5% more optimistic about that than I am.

  163. Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Chip, put your trade fantasies to good use.

    Design a trade to land the Yanks Mike Stanton, Jason Heyward, Justin Upton or Colby Rasmus.

    Thanks.

  164. CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    If Andy retires, it would be shocking for them to open the yr with CC, Lee, Hughes, AJ & kid as their rotation. As I mentioned above, spots 3-5 would all be question marks. I’m a Hughes supporter, but its common for a young starter to take a step back before he eventually becomes consistent. AJ is obviously not trustworthy and neither would be whatever kid they stuck at #5. Like SJ said, they will end up using 7 or 8 starters next year. The kids will have a chance to pitch when other starters hit the DL or just plain stink (AJ). But if Andy retires, they will pick up a vet to be their # 4 or 5.

  165. Doreen November 4th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Betsy -

    Sparky died?

    I knew he went into hospice yesterday. Very sad. He was one of my favorite managers to watch when I was a young girl.

  166. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    Chip, put your trade fantasies to good use.

    Design a trade to land the Yanks Mike Stanton, Jason Heyward, Justin Upton or Colby Rasmus.

    Thanks.
    ——————–

    Yankees send Swisher, Brackman, Laird and Nova to St. Louis for Rasmus.

    He’s the only one of the four that you have a shot at because two key members of the Cards want no part of him – Pujols and TLR

  167. SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Bret,

    Doris isn’t setting up for Mo.

    Not for one year, or two years.

    If Mo comes back, he wants a 2 year deal.

    The no trade clause isn’t a “small” hurdle.

    Soria put it in there for two reasons:

    1. He has no desire to be a setup man.

    2. To waive it, he will want more money than he’s currently due since he’s one of the most underpaid players in the game.

    Soria isn’t getting traded to the Yankees.

  168. CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Take a good look at this list, because there’s a good chance a couple of them won’t be on the team come Spring….

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....cts-38029/

  169. SJ44 November 4th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Players don’t see it the same way fans do.

    “Setting up” for Mo is not such an honor that players want to sacrifice the prime of their careers to do for 1-3 years.

    Closing means saves. Saves get you to the HOF.

    Saves also get you higher salaries than being a setup guy.

    If the Yankees wanted to pay that kind of money for a setup guy, they would have just picked up Kerry Wood’s option.

  170. Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Paul (LA)

    Please tell me the Jeter-NYY negotiations will get ugly…seems like an odd start.

    Klaw (1:07 PM)

    Buster is very plugged into that side and he seems to think it will get ugly.

    ****

    Buster is plugged into nothing

  171. Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Doreen, I only remember Sparky from when he was with the Tigers, but he always just seemed like a neat guy who loved the game. That’s such a sad way to go……depressing news on a dreary day in NY

  172. SAS November 4th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Sparky Anderson was one of those few managers who was both successful and was memorable. RIP

  173. Phil in Columbus November 4th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Buster is plugged into nothing
    ########
    Well said Betsy.

  174. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    CC -

    My guess; of those ten listed Romine and Laird get moved.

  175. Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Daniel (Boston, MA)

    Bumgarner played most of this year as a 20 year old. What do you see in him that limits his chance of improving, say his offspeed/breaking stuff?

    Klaw (2:19 PM)

    Age is a big factor for hitters, far more so for pitchers. I don’t see how or why you’d expect his curveball to improve.

    *****This doesn’t make much sense. A 20 year old can’t improve his pitches?

  176. Betsy November 4th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Phil, thanks! Everyone is making way too much from Hal’s comment about how it could get messy. It could also be neat and clean………

  177. CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Chip,

    Both are likely candidates, but I think if the Yanks make a trade, it will be a big one. So one of the top 5 would also be included.

  178. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    By the way – when they say Gary Sanchez has a higher ceiling than anyone including Montero keep in mind a few years ago they said the same thing about Christian Garcia being potentially better than Phil Hughes – there is a lot between there and here that could derail that.

  179. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Mike (NYC)

    The Yankees need a young centerfielder. Would the Angels trade Mike Trout for Austin Romine and Pat Venditte

    Klaw (1:42 PM)

    Best. Question. Ever.
    ===========================

    Did not realize til today that the Angels picked Mike Trout with the Yankees pick which they received as comp for the Teixeira signing.

  180. Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Chip-

    What about Granderson, Hughes, Betances (or your minor league choice) and one more good minor leaguer for Jason Heyward?

    If you want to dream, that’s worth dreaming about.

  181. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    CountryClub November 4th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    Chip,

    Both are likely candidates, but I think if the Yanks make a trade, it will be a big one. So one of the top 5 would also be included.
    ———————————–

    Probably – or it will include Joba.

  182. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    Chip-

    What about Granderson, Hughes, Betances (or your minor league choice) and one more good minor leaguer for Jason Heyward?

    If you want to dream, that’s worth dreaming about.
    ———————–

    Atlanta would hang up before you got the question out of your mouth. They see Heyward being the centerpiece of the next 10 Atlanta teams much the way Chipper was for the last 10

  183. Phil in Columbus November 4th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Betsy
    I think it will be neat and clean. Jeter has too much class and Hal knows how much Derek means to the Yanks. Hal is no fool.

  184. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Mell -

    I’ll still take Tex over Trout

    Only prospect huggers like Law would see it any other way.

  185. Wave Your Hat November 4th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Chip,

    Don’t be so sure. That package could land Atlanta the NL East division championship, maybe more. Flags fly forever.

  186. blake November 4th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Buster and Heyman are in a contest to see who can fill the internet with the most unfounded speculation.

    RIP Sparky

  187. Mell November 4th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Chip:

    I would too. So would the Angels most likely. Just like thinking about the road not travelled every so often.

    And I’d imagine Law probably sees it the same way. He was simply scoffing at the notion the Halos would trade Trout for a package as weak as Romine and Venditte.

  188. Erin November 4th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    blake November 4th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    Buster and Heyman are in a contest to see who can fill the internet with the most unfounded speculation.

    *********************************

    :lol:

  189. Vineyard Yankee November 4th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Red Sux pickup the 2011 option on Big Papi.

  190. raymagnetic November 4th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Last I checked the Yankees won a WS with Tex and they beat the Angels on the way there.

    Yankees 1 – Angels 0

  191. blake November 4th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    How bout Trout for Casey Kelly?…..oh wait, the Angels would need to kick in way more than that on that deal.

  192. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Blake -

    There’s no way the Sox are giving up a sure fire hall of famer like Kelly…be sensible.

  193. Pat M. November 4th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    I agree with Betsy & Phil in Columbus, the Jeter situation will move quickly and without any hangups……This is being driven by the media and the fans,both locally ( NYC ) and nationally….It makes for good copy though…….Sad to hear about Sparky…Was fortunate to meet him several times as a guess speaker at youth baseball functions……Very gracous man and always apologized and regreted his comment about Thurman Munson after the 76 World Series

  194. West Coast Yankee Fan November 4th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    I don’t have a problem with any baseball writers, beat writers analysts or commentators.

    As a fan, I love reading everything I can get my hands on. Just as with those in the political arena, some people may prefer one over another due to style, some have biases and others don’t.

  195. Joe from Long Island November 4th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Pat M. – We all say things, sometimes, where we regret the wording as soon as it comes out of the mouth. From what I’d heard and read about Sparky, he was a gentleman and very well respected within the game. You don’t achieve that by badmouthing people in public. I always thought that, in the throes of winning the WS, he got carried away in his praise of Bench. Just a bad choice of words. Munson was hurt badly. It’s a shame that something like that gets remembered, while the good is quickly forgotten.

    “The evil that men do lives long after them, while the good is oft interred with their bones….” – Shakespeare; Julius Caesar

  196. Chip November 4th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Good lord, Keith Law defending Javy Vazquez…unreal.

    He posted that he believes Javy was hurt (as evidenced by his low velocity)

    To which I replied: Yes, he was suffering from a severe case of “can’t pitch in the american league-itis” shockingly he posted that along with his response that it doesn’t explain his drop on velocity.

    You know what does explain the drop though – gripping the ball too tightly because he’s trying hard not to wet himself whilst pitching.

  197. Erin November 4th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    New Post: The difference between 2008 and 2010

    :arrow:

  198. GreenBeret7 November 4th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Yeah, let’s trade Laird. The only good third baseman in the system that’s close to ready and could step for 2 or more weeks if Rodriguez goes down. I’m just dying to see Pena play full time.

  199. Pat M. November 4th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Joe from Long Island……..Well stated Doc

  200. RayVT November 4th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    I’ve always thought that the Yanks wanted Werth more than Crawford. Werth is a strong RH bat with a strong RF arm which would help against the AL East LH pitching. I know as SJ has clearly pointed out that the Yanks don’t want to spend that much over and above the cost of Lee.

    I guess if the Yanks don’t get Lee, then Crawford and/or Werth could both be in the picture as Swish & Gardner would become trade bait for a SP.

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