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And so it begins

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Nov 08, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

leeGood morning and welcome to the first business day of the real Hot Stove League. Although most MLB teams keep something at least resembling regular office hours during the offseason, everyone knows that transactions and discussions and negotiations happen around the clock.

The latest example? The Yankees reached out to Cliff Lee’s agent early Sunday to let him know that – surprise – the Yankees are interested in signing Lee. Unlike their pursuit of CC Sabathia, the Yankees didn’t make an outright offer; they said they’ll be getting back to Lee shortly with that after some more internal discussion.

I’m hoping to have a variety of posts this week (including, perhaps, a giveaway contest and a mailbag) and I’m going to try to start each day off with a prediction. For the format, I was thinking of an homage to the old board game “Clue,” which occupied many hours for my brothers and me when we were kids (“Colonel Mustard … in the Conservatory … with the lead pipe?”) and demands specificity with your assertions.

Thus, for today’s prediction, it’s not enough to just say the Yankees will sign Lee. I’ll say that the Yankees will sign Lee on Dec. 5, one day before the Winter Meetings begin … and give him a five-year contract worth $110 million. … They’ll then introduce him at a lavish press conference at Yankee Stadium a week later, where there will be plenty of barbecue.

What say you, readers? More years? Less money? Before Thanksgiving? After Christmas? And what will the main dish at the press conference be? New York Cheesecake, maybe? Or pancakes for the table? Are there any out there who think the Rangers or another team swoop in and steal the Yankee prize? Get on the record in the comments section and we’ll look back at this post later on to see who had the clearest crystal ball.

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314 Responses to “And so it begins”

  1. tom tresh 15 November 8th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Thus, for today’s prediction, it’s not enough to just say the Yankees will sign Lee. I’ll say that the Yankees will sign Lee on Dec. 5, one day before the Winter Meetings begin … and give him a five-year contract worth $110 million. … They’ll then introduce him at a lavish press conference at Yankee Stadium a week later, where there will be plenty of barbecue.
    **************************************************************************
    I will sign up for that now

  2. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Great post, Sam.

    I love Clue! :)

  3. blake November 8th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Really hope they can get him for 5/110….afraid it’ll take more than that though.

    MTU,

    Nice pics…looks like a fun day. I have a Honda Rancher and a Polaris Sportsman….

    Randy,

    I have the same issues as you laid on in your post in the previous thread. On a separate issue….GB7 and I were discussing Romine yesterday and how he seemigly just has a tendency to just whiff on fastballs occasionally allowing pass balls…we were wondering your take on what might cause that…concentration lapses?

  4. ac1 November 8th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    I will go Dec. 22, also 5 years, but closer to $120 M. I think he will push to get more AAV than CC, and Texas will be fighting to up his cost too.

  5. raymagnetic November 8th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Randy,

    I remember when you were having that discussion and I’m in total agreement with you.

  6. Peter November 8th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    I would add that Lee might be a candidate to be the first player since Mussina to wear #35. We know how certain numbers worn by special players but that aren’t retired are held for other special players. If not #35, then perhaps #31, though.

  7. tyanksfan36 November 8th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    I don’t know enough to say for how long or how much but I’m willing to bet that he wants an opt out clause after 3yrs like CC. I know he has moved around a lot over the past 2 seasons but I think he will want one.

  8. MaineYankee November 8th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    This blog is like a soap. You can be away for awhile and come back and realize you have’nt missed a thing. Same old same old.

    Some seem to be playing are you smarter than a 5th grader. The hard part is to tell if some are adults or 5th graders.

    Doreen

    As usual you are a good read. If I tried to type as much as you do it would take me all day. Of course right now that would be okay seeing that the subject has been the same for days.

  9. MTU November 8th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Blake-

    It was. Mine’s the Sportsmen 500. My buddy runs a CanAm 800.

    The ATV trip out to WP is almost as much fun as visiting the place.

    You should join us. :)

  10. pat November 8th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Lee with the pen in the boardroom. I like it. :smile:

    December 10th agreement on 5/$115 with $5M of that a signing bonus, December 16th press conference in NY with NYY Steak catering complete with Cliff Lee inscribed Steak knife.

  11. blake November 8th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    MTU,

    Love to….maybe one.of.these.days ;)

  12. CountryClub November 8th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    tyanksfan36 November 8th, 2010 at 9:15 am
    I don’t know enough to say for how long or how much but I’m willing to bet that he wants an opt out clause after 3yrs like CC. I know he has moved around a lot over the past 2 seasons but I think he will want one

    ————

    Let him have his opt out. That would mean the Yanks would be getting out of the deal before he turns 36. They would love to have that happen.

  13. CountryClub November 8th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    I think 5/115 sounds about right.

  14. JCPD November 8th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    6 years (which is a little too many for my liking), 125 mil, Dec 7………

    MTU, great pics, thanks for sharing

  15. MTU November 8th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Blake-

    Considering the fact that it took Mother Nature eons to create the place I think you’ll be safe in waiting a while. ;)

  16. Cashman needs to go November 8th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    I think the yankees will sign Mr Green, with a candlestick, in the Great Big Yankee Billiard Room…

  17. upstate kate November 8th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    I say Lee before Thanksgiving 120/5 years, and I like Pat’s menu

  18. upstate kate November 8th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    tyanks fan
    you must be lovin that Buster Posey signed baseball :)

  19. blake November 8th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    I think it just all depends on how high the Rangers are willing to go. They have said they would be aggressive etc but we really don’t know exactly what that means or what they will be willing to spend.

  20. MTU November 8th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    JCPD-

    You’re most welcome. Labor of Love. YOU need to photgraph it !

    :)

  21. JM November 8th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    5 years for Mr. Lee, who will be under the tree as a nice Christmas present, Dec. 19. $125 million….why not serve venison at the press conference, in homage to his dedication to hunting/fishing?

    Beautiful pix, MTU. Was away for a few days and it was nice to return to see those (the endless discussion of the captain and his contract, not so much, LOL). And happy (belated) birthday!

  22. RSM November 8th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    5 years would be better, but I think it will take 6 to get it done…6 years, 125 mil.

  23. MTU November 8th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    I hope the Yankees will not let themselves be denied.

    I don’t think they will.

    Wheelbarrows full of money should do it.

    Amount unknown.

    :)

  24. Mike Ri November 8th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    i say , it gets done a lot sooner ….. 11 -30 …….5 years 120 million.

  25. MTU November 8th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    JM-

    You’re welcome. The pleasure was all mine. :)

  26. Tom in N.J. November 8th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    What’s Lee’s fielding +/-?

    I refuse to predict his contract until Bill James tells me he is good.

  27. 108 stitches November 8th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Would love to see Lee, Derek, and Mariano signed in one fell swoop before the winter meetings to show the rest of baseball that the Yankees are indeed in business. And yes, give Lee No. 35 which isn’t going to be retired.
    This gives Cashman time to make adjustments to the 40-man roster.
    We should see an annoucement this week for the selection of the new pitching coach …… hopefully Gil Patterson.

  28. CCBiggs November 8th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    The Yanks need to really think about whether they want to give Lee a five-year deal. Lee will turn 33 years old during the 2011 season, and he has had some injury problems over the years. In fact, if you look at Lee’s stats on a year by year basis, it is surprising how many up and down years he has had. Can you really say that Lee is a sure thing in terms of being able to give the Yanks five years as a top-tier starter? I don’t think so.

  29. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    I kind of doubt that Lee will sign before Thanksgiving. I’m thinking it’ll be next month-sometime around Christmas. Santa’s gift to Yankee fans. ;)

  30. sotospeaks November 8th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    5/115 and I think he will be the day before Thanksgiving.

  31. hardwired7 November 8th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    the Rangers’ payroll has been hovering in the mid-$60M/yr range for the last five seasons, and now they’re suddenly going to allot almost 30% of their payroll to one player? that seems like a stretch.

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....ngers.html

    if the Rangers go all-in on Lee, they’ll have zero flexibility moving forward.

    all-in won’t be good enough for Texas: Lee to the Yanks, 6 yrs/$144M before Thanksgiving.

  32. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    5/120 and I think he drags it out a little more. Lee is the biggest fish in the pond and I think he’s going to enjoy the attention for a while.

    Side note: Jorge Posada at his charity bowl-a-thon said that he wants to be told what’s happening before he arrives at Spring Training. I have been saying all along that before this offseason gets too far along, Girardi and Cashman need to sit with Jorge and explain that, while nothing is set in stone, the plan is for Jorge to catch X number of games and Montero to catch X number and so on.

    Explain to Jorge that of course this is subject to change based on the team’s needs (or if they trade Jesus) but that as of right now, this is the plan as it stands. Let Posada get his mind right with the fact that he’s not going to be an everyday catcher anymore.

  33. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Our current rotation makes me extremely nervous without Cliff Lee. The Yankees will have to win this bidding war.

  34. upstate kate November 8th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    CCBiggs
    I agree w/ what you are saying about the 5 year committment, but I think that is what it will take to get Lee to sign.

  35. Mike Ri November 8th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    “Let Posada get his mind right with the fact that he?s not going to be an everyday catcher anymore.” I agree 100 percent Chip !

    Posada is so stuburn !!…

  36. blake November 8th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Hardwired,

    They will have to greatly increase their payroll to both sign Lee and keep that team together over the life of his contract…..and as pat posted yesterday, they will have to significantly increase revenues in order to pull it off. It would be a pretty big risk given the history of the franchise…..

  37. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Dan Uggla turned down Florida’s offer of an extention – it wouldn’t shock me at all now to see the Marlins move him this winter rather than lose him as a Free Agent.

    My guess is that Boston makes a deal for him if they don’t keep Beltre. They can move Uggla to 3b or 1b and play Youk at 3b.

    Uggla’s a power guy in a bad hitters’ park, imagine what he would do banging balls off (and over) the Monster.

    He probably won’t win any awards defensively at 3b but Boston is going to need to replace the offense they’ll be losing in Beltre and Victor Martinez.

  38. Fran the original November 8th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    I think Lee will sign with the Yankees for 5 years/$130 on December 1.

  39. Doreen November 8th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    6 years/$132 million, December 18th, pat’s dinner suggestion.

  40. LGY November 8th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Question of the Day:

    Since Derek came up from the minors, who has been your favorite player/s on the team?

    I’ll start:

    Andy—Andy/Soriano when Sori got called up—Cano when Andy left and Sori got traded—Cano/Bobby Abreu when they traded for Bobby—just Cano when Bobby left

  41. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    We’ve talked a lot about what the Yankees will do this winter – but here’s a theory on what Boston does this winter:

    Losses – Varitek, Martinez, Beltre, Okajima

    Additions:

    Sign Miguel Olivo
    Sign Jayson Werth
    Sign Scott Downs
    Trade Ellsbury for Dan Uggla

    Lineup:
    Pedroia – 2b
    Scutaro – SS
    Youk – 1b
    Ortiz – DH
    Werth – RF
    Uggla – 3b
    Drew – LF
    Cameron – CF
    Olivo – C

    Rotation:
    Lackey, Beckett, Lester, Dice, Bucholtz

    Pen:
    Bard and Downs setting up Papsmear

    That’s a pretty strong team and with Tampa taking a step back it looks like it would be a two team dogfight with the Yankees.

  42. sunny615 November 8th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Dec 1, 6 years, $135 mil.

  43. upstate kate November 8th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    LGY
    since Jeter came up…I would have to say he has been my favorite player.
    I also liked Soriano and Abreu. I was happy when Melky and Robbie came up, that was a sign to me that the youngsters were going to get a chance…still a huge fan of Robbie. And then there is Phil Hughes, another of my favorites…and of course Mo and Andy.
    I guess it is too hard for me to pick one!

  44. Tom in N.J. November 8th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Bernie was my favorite player.

  45. LGY November 8th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    “Playing in the AL East I believe more balls are hit harder than playing in the AL Central or AL West. (IMO)”

    ———————————————-

    2010 LD% by AL Teams: Highest to Lowest

    Tigers
    Athletics
    Rangers
    Twins
    Indians
    Royals
    Yankees
    Orioles
    White Sox
    Rays
    Mariners
    Red Sox
    Angels
    Blue Jays

  46. blake November 8th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    I don’t think they need to put a label on Jorge’s role. They just need to sit him down and say that we are planning on you catching this number of games and DHing around this number of games and stress his importance both on the field and in mentoring Montero. I think Jorge will be ok with it…..

  47. BoJo November 8th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    If the Yankees sign Lee for 5 or 6 years for more than $22M a year, they may have to serve crow at the end of the day. Too long, too much money committed.

  48. RayVT November 8th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    re-post

    OldYanksFan November 8th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Hello OYF! As an older fan myself, I?d like to state the obvious. LOL! You can?t compare salaries of players because they won?t make sense!

    Zito vs. Hughes! Hmm!
    Soriano vs. Mo.
    Helton vs. AGone
    Carlos Lee vs. Bautista
    Alfonso Soriano vs. Choo or Swisher
    Cano vs. Figgins

    The problem is baseball pays based on an acrual stat & fans base on a what are you doing now. It is difficult to equate things. Simplistic stat quotes or my eyes quotes miss the big picture. Not all things are true.

    If the same hit balls, field, ground conditions (wet/dry/etc), same starting spots, same pitchers, same pitches, same velocity on the hit, same fielders on each side, same runners on base, and even same wind/sun/lighting conditions, then perhaps there would be no corrections needed. LOL!

    Playing in the AL East I believe more balls are hit harder than playing in the AL Central or AL West. (IMO) 19 games with Boston, Balt, Tor and even Tampa give varying differences. The speed of Tampa may cause more errors simply because the fielder has to rush so much more. Boston?s infield is a joke and causes more errors too. Fielding comparisons have always caused a quandry, because even using stats they are not correlated.

    An easy example is a pitcher who can hold a runner vs one who can?t. One catcher gets dinged for a SB & other never has to throw. Some OF get more Assists simply because more guys run on them where some canon armed OF keep them from going. I mean it is hard to have a statistical measurement that correlates.

    A runner on 1B, as 2010 seemed to have almost every inning against the Yanks, causes positioning of 2B & SS to be different. So a ball hit just left of a shading SS would go thru, but perhaps wouldn?t w/o a runner on 1B.

    Lastly, injuries play a large role in things too. A player playing thru injuries may not be as rangy as someone playing well. Turf vs grass issues usually cause EOY stats to be different due to wear & tear. But then turf gives a lot more true bounces.

    I just think it takes both opinion & stats to make a sound case, but knowing the limitations of each is equally important.

  49. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    LGY November 8th, 2010 at 9:59 am
    Question of the Day:

    Since Derek came up from the minors, who has been your favorite player/s on the team?

    **************************
    Cano. Duh, LGY. ;)

    My other favorites include his three buddies in the infield, Mo, Andy, CC and Gardner. And Swisher. This is really hard to narrow it down!

    And for players no longer with the team-Matsui. Gotta love Godzilla.

  50. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Oh-and I forgot to add Bernie to the above list as well. OK, now I think I’m finally done. :)

  51. longtimefan November 8th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Hope you are right but I’ll wait till its signed on the dotted line to celebrate–can’t help but thinking of what happened in July even though this is a different senerio.

  52. RayVT November 8th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    LGY November 8th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Thanks LGY! I always thought that, but wasn’t sure. I see Bill James has this stat.

  53. tyanksfan36 November 8th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    # upstate kate November 8th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    tyanks fan
    you must be lovin that Buster Posey signed baseball :)

    ——-

    I havent gotten the ball signed yet, but I gave it to the woman who is going to get it signed for me. She is going up to Georgia for Thanksgiving and she said she is near certain that she will be able to get to him to get it signed since she knows him. so im going to have to wait til december

  54. 108 stitches November 8th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Sign Miguel Olivo
    Sign Jayson Werth
    Sign Scott Downs
    Trade Ellsbury for Dan Uggla

    Lineup:
    Pedroia – 2b
    Scutaro – SS
    Youk – 1b
    Ortiz – DH
    Werth – RF
    Uggla – 3b
    Drew – LF
    Cameron – CF
    Olivo – C

    Rotation:
    Lackey, Beckett, Lester, Dice, Bucholtz

    Pen:
    Bard and Downs setting up Papsmear

    That’s a pretty strong team and with Tampa taking a step back it looks like it would be a two team
    ………………………………………….

    This puts Boston dangerously near the luxury tax threshold if not over it which John Henry has no interest in doing. They only saved $21.5 with the loss of the Lowell and Lugo contracts.
    Werth and Downs would also cost draft picks and Boston’s farm system is thin as it is.
    The Marlins won’t accept Ellsbury (a Scott Boras client) for Uggla.
    Papelbon will make at least $10M from arbitration and the contracts of Pedroia, Lester, and Youkilis begin to escalate in 2011.

    Look for Bridge Year No. 2 from Boston.

  55. tyanksfan36 November 8th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    *December to see if she got it signed for me. If she doesnt Ill get over it, Im sure that she would eventually get it signed. If not, my dad said that if I wait until the Twins play the Rays again he can have his coworker get the ball signed by Joe Mauer for me.

  56. OldYanksFan November 8th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Hey Sam…. what’s wrong with offering 4/$88m, and see what happens?
    Sure, Lee will turn it down.
    But will Texas go higher?
    I can’t see them offering any player $100m.

    I don’t know what it will take to get Lee, but why bid against ourselves?
    There are VERY FEW teams in on Lee.
    What not see what the market will bare?

  57. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Blake -

    The Yankees need to do whatever they can to minimize Jorge’s annoyance at his situation. If Posada’s not happy we know he’s not going to hide it well and that can have a negative impact on the clubhouse and whats worse – cause a schism between people on Jorge’s side and Jesus Montero much the way there was a perceived schism between Jeter’s people and A-Rod

  58. ericns1 November 8th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Five years at $115 and the signing will be December 10 with a press conference at the Stadium followed by lunch at NYY Steak

  59. blake November 8th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    I think the Yankees will make an early offer in an effort to judge just how serious Texas is and how high they are willing and capable of going.

  60. upstate kate November 8th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    tyanksfan
    maybe you should work on getting signed baseballs from all the catchers :)

  61. The Monk November 8th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    November 24, 4 years, 94M, team option at 24, buyout at 5M (makes it minimum 99M), and they’ll serve cajun cuisine.

    Texas won’t go higher than the Yanks but it won’t need to — no state income tax means that an offer within about 13% of the value of the Yanks offer will be better financially for Lee.

  62. blake November 8th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Chip,

    I agree….that’s why I put labels. ( like Montero is the primary catcher). I would just say you are both catchers and will catch some and DH some. Jorge handled splitting time with Cervelli ok last year so I don’t see it as a big problem as long as they handle it properly..

  63. BIG AL November 8th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    If Lee get’s CC type money, it’ll be 115/5, and for good measure, a 6th year option.

  64. blake November 8th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Why I wouldn’t put labels I mean.

  65. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    142/6

  66. tyanksfan36 November 8th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Kate

    That would be an amazing collection. For some reason I have a thing for catchers. On the last game of the season for the Tampa Yankees they did a silent auction for the special game worn Jimmy Buffet Tribute night shirt that the players were wearing that night and of course I bid on and won the catchers jersey. I think in time I will be able to get a ball signed by Posey and Mauer since I have connections to each of them. Posada lives literally 10 minutes from my house but of course Ill probably never get his.

  67. JD November 8th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    The Monk: On the tax thing. I read that players get taxed in every state they play games in for those games. So actually he will only get the Texas tax break in home games. So 81 or so games.

  68. Joe from Long Island November 8th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Good morning, all – I’m not as early as Doreen, Kate, and some others, but with my morning schedule this is the best I can do.

    1. Chad – if you’re reading this – congratulations on your family’s happiness.

    2. Sam – Put me down for Lee signing on the day before Thanksgiving. My guess – 5 years, and $115M, for an AAV of $23M. As they say, not bad work if you can get it.

  69. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Jeter 8/60

  70. Joe from Long Island November 8th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Players get the privilege of paying state income taxes in every state in which they play. The accountants figure it out on the basis of how many days they are in that state during the season. I don’t think it’s dependent on how many games played, as long as they’re on the roster and report for work, but I’m not sure. Maybe SJ can shed some light. So, playing in a no-income tax state may give the player an advantage for their home games.

  71. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    ericns1: I hope you’re right!

  72. Noreaster November 8th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    I back commenting from my post elimination depression (I know, kind of weak!).

    I’d bet on Lee getting $115.5M and announcing December 6th.

    If we are talking Jeter 3/50 plus a personal services contract for 500K a year for 10 years.

  73. Noreaster November 8th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    On Lee, $115.5M/5 years.

  74. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Joe in Long Island: Are you saying that 50% of Cliff Lee’s salary would not be taxed by the state if he signs with the Texas Rangers?

  75. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    beltre 4/60
    Crawford 6/115
    werth 5/84
    Vmart 4/55

  76. BIG AL November 8th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    The Yankees often bid against themselves, it’s a way of doing businees when you want to be sure you’ll get the player you’re bidding on.

    That was their approach with CC, and I believe it will be the same with Lee.

    Offer Lee near the max you’re willing to go, and sweeten it a little, (like they did with CC), and get the deal done as early as possible.

  77. MTU November 8th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Al-

    I like your style. Shock and Awe. :)

  78. BIG AL November 8th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    I don’t see any team giving Crawford a 6/115 contract. I think Crawford gets a 4 or 5 year deal worth 16-18 max.

  79. pat November 8th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    “Are you saying that 50% of Cliff Lee?s salary would not be taxed by the state if he signs with the Texas Rangers?”

    Lee’s primary residence is in Arkansas so unless he changes that Arkansas is getting the bulk of his state taxes no matter where he plays.

  80. 86w183 November 8th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    On December 13th, my late Grandmother’s birthday Cliff Lee will sign with the Texas Rangers for six years and $ 144 million dollars.

    Clearly annoyed the Yanks will respond by sending Nova, Chamberlain, Nunez and Romine to Seattle for King Felix. An excited Andy Pettite re-ups for one more year making AJ Burnett the most expensive 5th starter in the history of earth.

  81. BIG AL November 8th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    MTU -

    This is by far the best way to show the player up front how much you value him. To start low, and work your way up sends the wrong message, that’s what small teams try and do.

    This may also put Texas in their Plan B mode. I’m more concerned with the Angles getting involved than Texas.

  82. pinstripes7 November 8th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    FYI; CC Sabathia has already waived the opt out clause in his contract, and is a Yankee until 2016.

  83. BIG AL November 8th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Later folks – Have a great day.

  84. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Pat: Then what’s stopping Cliff Lee from moving to Texas if he can avoid state taxes on 110 – 150 million dollars?

  85. pinstripes7 November 8th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    86w183. Why not sign Cliff Lee AND make the King Felix trade and make A Joke the highest paid 6th starter in the history of the world.

  86. yankee21 November 8th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Predicted Lee signing; 5/118, with opt out clause after 3 years.

  87. MTU November 8th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Al-

    Let’s just hope that what Lola wants Lola gets. ;)

    I remain confident. The Yankees have the will and they have the resources.

    Only Death and Taxes are guaranteed.

  88. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    PEDRO FELICIANO 2/7.2

  89. AldotheApache November 8th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Sam,

    My entry (and here’s to hoping I’m wrong)

    Lee signs a 5/125 deal, but with Arte Moreno and the Angels.

  90. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    A.J. PIERZYNSKI 1/2.6

  91. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Wood 2/10.5

  92. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    MANNY RAMIREZ 1/5.5 with 4.5 incentives

  93. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:10 am

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  97. pinstripes7 November 8th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    King Felix needs a team in the worst way. Arguably the best pitcher in baseball right now with a .500 record is a shame.

  98. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:12 am

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  105. blake November 8th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    The Yankees wont Lee let get away for 5/125 IMO…they will top that if they need to I think…..not in AAV but I think they’ll add that 6th year if it comes right down to it.

    Hope they don’t have to.

  106. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:16 am

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  107. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:17 am

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  110. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    JUAN URIBE 2/21

  111. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    ORLANDO HUDSON 1/4.5

  112. pat November 8th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Fire the UMPIRE

    He could move to Texas.

    He could move to Delaware, Rhode Island and Florida and not pay state taxes too.

    None of those are where the Lee’s have been calling home and where their children are enrolled in school though.

  113. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:19 am

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  114. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:20 am

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  115. Patrick from CT November 8th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    I don’t think Lee gets more than CC per year.
    Question is, how many years.

    I’ll say 5 years, 105 mil.
    They sign him right after the winter meetings; say Dec 14th.

  116. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:20 am

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  117. Mike Ri November 8th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    we get the point Cashmoney

  118. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Pat: True but maybe there’s less incentive to move to a tax free state when you’re only making 9 million as opposed to 110 – 150 million.

  119. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:22 am

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  120. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:22 am

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  121. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:23 am

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  122. 108 stitches November 8th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Derek Jeter lives in Florida for a reason (no state income tax) as do many baseball players. He can claim the state as his primary residence between the offseason, spring training, and 3 visits each year to play the Rays.

  123. Mike Ri November 8th, 2010 at 11:24 am

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  124. BIG AL November 8th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    pinstripes7 November 8th, 2010 at 11:12 am
    King Felix needs a team in the worst way. Arguably the best pitcher in baseball right now with a .500 record is a shame.

    ***************************************************

    It’s a matter of his making his bed, now he can lie in it.

    He got poor advise, or didn’t have enough faith in his own abilities. Had he waited until he was a free agent, he’d be looking at 180/8, and a great career with a winning team.

    Some people are afraid of the big stage, so they play in small markets, like Greinke.

  125. OldYanksFan November 8th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    I believe for Tax reasons, you have to ‘live’ in a state for 183 days. All players pay taxes to the State that they play games in (unless that State does not have the “Tax that for out-of-Staters that work in a State”). So basically, all players pay ‘similar’ taxes for 81 games. Texas, however, does not have that tax, so players playing in Texas don’t pay for games played there.

    I’m not sure how money’s earned out-of-state effect what you pay to your resident State (I think they may be deductable). While there are some complications, from what I’ve read, it seems that the bottom line is somewhere around a 5-6% savings for Lee if he signs with Texas (as opposed to NY) players. I think!

    Any tax guys here to enlighten us?

  126. Mell November 8th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Can’t imagine Lee would make too much noise about an opt out after 3 years. It’s nowhere close to as advantageous to him as it is to Sabathia due to their respective ages. Not much reason to think Lee would opt out of a $22M a year deal to become a free agent at age 36.

  127. BIG AL November 8th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    I’d like to jim Thome as a LH DH, 1 year at 1.75 should do it. He still has a lot of pop, and in YS I’ll bet he gets more than the 24HR’s he had last year.

  128. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:31 am

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  131. pinstripes7 November 8th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    I see what you’re saying Big Al, and I wouldn’t touch Greinke with a 10′ pole, but Hernandez seems to have better makeup than that. Either way, I’m sure Felix is kicking himself.

  132. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:34 am

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  134. Joe from Long Island November 8th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Hi –
    I’m not a tax lawyer, or accountant, but the one thing I do know is that if there’s a way that the state can get to you to pay taxes, they do it.

    Did CC really wave his opt-out?

  135. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Now that Free Agency has officially hit I present you with my latest and greatest version of “Where will they Land”

    Lee – NYY
    Werth – Boston
    Crawford – Angels
    Victor Martinez – Nationals
    Adam Dunn – Cubs
    Aubrey Huff – San Fran
    Russ Branyan – Orioles
    Miguel Olivo – Boston
    Scott Downs – Yankees
    Hideki Matsui – Detroit
    Magglio Ordonez – Texas
    Vlad – Seattle
    Westbrook – New York Mets
    Adrian Beltre – St. Louis
    Manny – Tampa
    Wood – St. Louis
    Soriano – Angels
    Damon – St Louis
    D-Lee – Rangers
    Tejada – Boston
    Konerko – D’Backs
    Adam LaRoche – Dodgers
    AJ – White Sox
    Buck – Rangers

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  137. AldotheApache November 8th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    blake November 8th, 2010 at 11:16 am
    The Yankees wont Lee let get away for 5/125 IMO…they will top that if they need to I think

    ————————————————

    blake, agreed, they won’t WANT to.

    Lee’s choice.

  138. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    ANDRUW JONES (Yankees) 1/2

  139. G-C November 8th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    “Some people are afraid of the big stage, so they play in small markets, like Greinke.:

    _____________________________________________________

    This really bothers me.

    Who has ever said that Greinke shies away from the big stage? Do we just assume that because he’s had emotional problems that none of us are either qualified or fit to speculate about? Or do we assume it because of one off the record comment that seems to float out there about how he wouldn’t want to pitch in New York?

    I’d say Greinke has excellent make-up. Overcoming his emotional problems and failure to live up to expectations early in his career speaks pretty highly to what he’s capable of doing. I’d love to see him be a priority acquisition for this offseason, moreso than Lee himself.

  140. Joe from Long Island November 8th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Just glancing at MLBTR, while sipping coffee –

    They point out that there may be more closer and would-be closers on the FA market than there are teams looking. Depending on the money, we may not have seen the last of Kerry Wood in pinstripes. Ya never know….

  141. BIG AL November 8th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    pinstripes7 November 8th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Your right, it is a shame not to see a player with his ability on the big stage, not only for him, but for the rest of baseball to be able to better appreciate King Felix’s talent.

    I think he and Josh Johnson are the 2 best young pitchers in the game, and I’d love to have either one, but could only dream of having both.

    Could you imagine a rotation of CC, Lee, Felix, Johnson, Hughes.

    On opening day the Yankees could announce,PS tickets will be available at gate 6, following each home game.

  142. pat November 8th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    40- 45 days of spring training would be taxable to Arizona, 85-90 days would be taxable to the states he would be in for away games.

    That’s more than 1/3 of his income that would be taxed in various amounts anyway.

    Tax rate in Arkansas is under 5% and with the help of a good accountant the bill is likely much smaller than you would think.

  143. Mell November 8th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    “Either way, I’m sure Felix is kicking himself.”

    He doesn’t end up all that bad. He wasn’t hitting free agency til after the 2011 season. He’s going to average a tick under $20M for 2012-2014 and hit free agency at age 28. Some guys like the security, and when you can get it and still have a bite at the free agency apple while in your prime, you probably go ahead and do it more times than not.

  144. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    very good point. If you can take a big pay day before you hit FA in your prime. Not a bad idea.

  145. BIG AL November 8th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    G-C November 8th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    *************************

    My comments had nothing to do with his make-up, only his own statements that he does not want to pitch in a large market venue, and his preferance would be the Twins, that all I was saying.

  146. pinstripes7 November 8th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    G-C;
    With the possibility of Greinke not being able to cut it on the big stage, not the probability, just the possibility, would you risk giving up the talent that you’d have to to get him?

  147. blake November 8th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Chip,

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Angels go out and sign both Crawford and Beltre…..

  148. pinstripes7 November 8th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Yeah, Mell;
    I meant kicking himself with regard to missing the oportunity to win all of those games.

  149. Giuseppe Franco November 8th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    I don’t feel sorry for King Felix.

    He chose to take less money to stay in Seattle and sign the extension.

    He’s been there long enough so he knows how the organization rolls every year.

    So he shouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t find himself pitching in October anytime soon.

  150. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Cashmoney –

    I could see the Yankees bringing in Jones as a 4th outfielder/rh bench bat if they want a little more versatility than what Thames brought them

    That’s a good call.

  151. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Blake -

    Neither would I.

    I just have a funny feeling about St. Louis this winter making a major impact in the FA market.

    I think whichever team doesn’t get Beltre may well trade for Dan Uggla to be their 3b.

  152. blake November 8th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    I also think Vmart could wind up in the AL Central…either with the Chisox or Detroit.

  153. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I can’t wait til Andrew Jones donned on his pinstripe uniform and roam around YS3 with his gazelle like grace and cheetah like speed next year. OPS’d 930 against LH

    half serious’d

  154. pat November 8th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    jonmorosi #Athletics win bidding for Hisashi Iwakuma, #MLB officially announces. #Oakland #NPB

    Dollars bid and dollars to sign will be interesting.

  155. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Chip, I see bosox going heavy on Buck rather than Olivo. Olivo may end up with the Rangers. Though AJ is a good one year veteran catcher candidate IMO as well.

  156. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Blake -

    with regard to V-Mart;

    The Nationals have been looking to make a major splash for years now. They wanted Tex, were in on Lackey and didn’t get either – they’re not likely going to get Lee this winter either. They’ll have a need at 1b since they can’t seem to get together with Dunn and also at C while they break in Wilmer Flores – I think Victor is a natural fit and they’ll overpay to get him.

  157. Mell November 8th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    “Yeah, Mell;
    I meant kicking himself with regard to missing the oportunity to win all of those games.”

    Probably. Sabathia did basically the same thing at the same age, when in 4/2005, he extended with the Tribe, who were lousy more often than they were good thru his time there, thru the 2008 season, even though he could have hit free agency after the ’06 season. Again, if one is going to have a shot at FA at ages 27-29, it’s worth it to grab some security early on in one’s career.

  158. blake November 8th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Chip,

    I can see that. Nobody wants to go to Washington and if they keep putting lots of cash on their hooks then eventually they will land a big one….we’ll see.

  159. blake November 8th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    So who is gonna play 3b for the red Sox next year?

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  161. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    CC gets AAV of $23M/year. Lee, is not getting that from these Hal/Hank Yankees.
    He’s also older and has been less consistent than CC over his career. If you want CC to opt out, give Lee a larger AAV.

    My prediction is 5 years $110M, AAV of $22/M including signing bonus, so it may be less. Take it or leave it. Nov. 24th announcement.

  162. West Coast Yankee Fan November 8th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Cliff Lee – Yankees
    6 years – 144
    November 20th

  163. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    I’m thinking the SUX sign John Buck instead of Victor Martinez. That will save them money to sign Beltre and either Crawford or Werth.

  164. BoJo November 8th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Regarding the question on differentials between Dallas and NYC: According to http://swz.salary.com/costofli....._start.asp, NYC is 140% more expensive to live in. Not sure if that includes the city and state taxes or not. I would assume it does.

  165. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Cashmoney –

    I think they go for Olivo because he’s got the edge on Buck defensively. It’s not much of an edge, but it is an edge. Plus I think Olivo’s more likely to take a 1 year deal.

  166. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Chip, I really like Werth. I take Werth over Jeter (if he wasn’t Jeter) and let Nunez + a veteran back up at SS. But that’s just an another example of Yankee bidding against themselves and trying to sell legacy and tradition as a brand.

    This is why a 200 plus payroll plays like 140 one on the fld. The Yankee’s way.

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  168. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    I think the SUX will sign Prince Fielder after 2011 and he will replace ROIDTIZ as the designated hitter.

  169. Mell November 8th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    “NYC is 140% more expensive to live in”

    From what I’ve read, it appears that Lee has no intention of relocating his family to whatever his final destination may be, so this may not weigh as heavily in his thinking.

  170. Benny Blanco November 8th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    I’m hoping it gets completed before the winter meetings but you never know.

  171. CompassRosy November 8th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    pinstripes7 November 8th, 2010 at 11:12 am
    King Felix needs a team in the worst way. Arguably the best pitcher in baseball right now with a .500 record is a shame.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Actually, his record is .573 (he went 19-5) in 2009. His lack of wins in 2010, as has been discussed ad nausium, is through no fault of his own, but that of the M’s putrid offense.

    As you might imagine, I admire Felix for ‘staying with the one that brung him’ …
    http://tinyurl.com/y9nhxnl

    :)

  172. BoJo November 8th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Mell–

    You can use that site to state where his home and work locations are, and then compare. I set his home as Little Rock, and work as Dallas versus NYC and NYC.

    The difference was 40%

  173. BoJo November 8th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Don’t forget that Felix was pursued heavily by the Yankees as a teen, but choose Seattle as the place he wanted to play.

  174. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

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  175. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

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  176. BoJo November 8th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Running the calculator with his home in Little Rock, and comparing the work salaries between Dallas and NYC (not accounting for the 81 game issue) yields a difference. Assuming he gets a 5 year $125M offer from Texas, working in NYC would cost him almost $20M….

    If only half of that is affected, the difference in work places is about $10M.

    Add to that the difference in cost of living between NYC area and Dallas (40%) which might equate to $1M more….

  177. pat November 8th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    The cost of living in Dallas, TX is 3.2% lower than in Bergen, NJ.

    A 20 minute commute to the Stadium, green grass out the back door for your kids to play and an extra $7.8M in the bank.

  178. GMAN November 8th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Jeter is Captain America !
    A 1st ballot – unanimous Hall of Famer
    A living legend.

    It is a Great Day…
    Any day DJ is on a baseball field – wearing a navy blue baseball cap featuring the classic interlocking NY.

    Thank you Derek Jeter for being first class in every possible way!

  179. Madrugador November 8th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Cliff Lee turns 33 year, mid season. He started 2010 on the DL and spent part of 2010 on the DL. He couldn’t produce when the Rangers needed it most. His 2007 year was lost to injury and when he returned, suddenly he was a great pitcher?
    If the Yankees want Cliff Lee, I don’t see anyone stopping them. The real question I have is why? Do we really need to be saddled with that kind of salary for a player who may give you one or possibly two good years? What about the wealth of pitching talent in the minor leagues? Is that all about to become trade bait?
    Having ranted long enough, if Cliff Lee wants NYC, he’ll come. Give him enough time to figure out the market and then the deal will be done. December 7th “A day that will live in infamy!” 5 years, $100 million with incentives that push it to $120M

  180. pinstripes7 November 8th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Ya know Madrugador, you have a point. I’d make a huge package for Felix and go from there.

  181. David in Cal November 8th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Given how urgently the Yanks need Lee, I predict they’ll sign him on Feb. 1 and give him a half ownership of the team. :)

  182. BD (Boston Dave) November 8th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

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    6 / 138.6M

    December 11th

  183. Madrugador November 8th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Pinstripes 7- King Felix looks like the real deal but I don’t know if he knows how to win. Remember Jim Abbot, the one armed pitcher from the Angles. All he needed was some run support to be a winner. Turns out that wasn’t entirely true. Flelix? I like him better than Lee but time will tell.
    PS I don’t think Seattle will part with the King.

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