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Posada still preparing to be starter

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Nov 08, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Posada BaseballThere has been a lot of talk about the Yankees catching situation next season and you can put me down as one of the (many) people who believe it’s time for a change. Posada’s bat can still be a weapon but to think of him as an everyday catcher is, at this point, probably unreasonable. The Yankees are high on Jesus Montero and want to give him every chance to win the starting job in spring training, but Posada says he’s not changing his preparation for next season. At least not yet.

If the Yankees want to do something else with him, Posada says they should just be honest with him up front.

“I’m going to prepare for (the starting catching job),” he told reporters over the weekend at the bowling tournament to benefit his foundation. “I love catching, love being behind the plate. I take a lot of pride – that’s my position. If they want me to be DH or catch, just be honest and let me know what’s up.”

It’ll be interesting to see if Montero steps up and takes the reins during spring training. If the Yankees want to give him a little bit of a cushion, they could always sign a veteran-type catcher (Rod Barajas?) to play in the beginning of the season while Montero gets a few games in the minors before a call-up. Either way, I’d expect Posada to see the majority of his at-bats at DH in 2011.

* That’s an AP shot of Posada looking very, very intense.

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  1. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. Fran the original November 8th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    IMO Jorge will spend most of next season at DH. I do agree that the Yankees should be up front with him. He has certainly earned that.

  3. West Coast Yankee Fan November 8th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I’m not even convinced that Posada will be an adequate DH. He certainly shouldn’t be behind the plate anymore. He’s a backup, a mentor, a DH, a pinch hitter, an emergency backstop.

    IMO it’s not important what makes him happy, or what he wants to do. When you are paid $13 million dollars you do what your boss tells you to. He’s right though that they should let him know what they have in mind for him.

    I think the same should be true concerning Jeter hitting lead off. That ship has sailed. The team comes first. The transition is starting.

  4. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    * That?s an AP shot of Posada looking very, very intense

    ***************************
    You’re not kidding! Wow. LOL

    That is a great shot of him though.

  5. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    they could always sign a veteran-type catcher (Rod Barajas?)
    —————
    Not a bad option. On Posada, I think he makes an okay DH candidate. His offensive numbers LY at DH would have been rather pedestrian.

  6. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    I’m sure Cashman and Girardi will have “the talk” with him sometime before ST starts, but I would imagine Cashman has a few other things on his plate right now. ;)

  7. blake November 8th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    I don’t see Posada making a lot of waves about this. He will get plenty of playing time….they just need to be careful how they word things and emphasize his importance both on the field and in a mentoring role.

  8. OldYanksFan November 8th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Do I sense a tad bit of attitude from Po?
    I’m not sure it’s a big deal. Last year, Posada himself said he was only good to catch 110 games… which didn’t happen due to injury. My guess is he would not expect any more then 100 this year.

    So if Montero can hit, he and Jesus with split DH/C duties for 90% of the games. Cervelli may Catch AJ for a dozen+ games, and Jeter and ARod will see some games at DH.

    The Yankees can’t promise anything.
    If Montero is a total butcher, or doesn’t hit, Po will be behind the plate more.
    It’s a little like when Girardi and Po played together. They both were ready to catch, and the situation dictated the call.

    What is a bit disturbing is that Po doesn’t seem to acknowledge either his age, nagging injuries, or the HORRIBLE defense he showed last year. We expect him to miss CBs in the dirt, but the dude was also missing FBs.

    But then again, on the basepaths, he seems to think he is Lou Brock.

    But stay in shape Po. Be preparred. Hell, it can’t hurt.

  9. Wave Your Hat November 8th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Until Montero shows he is a major league catcher, it seems very premature to put a tombstone over Jorge’s career as a starting catcher for the Yanks.

  10. Mell November 8th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    “If they want me to be DH or catch, just be honest and let me know what’s up.”

    What’s up? How about “We appreciate all you’ve done for us over the years, Jorge. However, you are 39 years old and you’re at the tail end of a 4 year/$52M contract in which you have averaged less than 600 innings behind the plate per season. We’re thinking that your time as an everyday catcher is over and now is a good time for you to assist in transitioning the next generation of Yankees catchers into our lineup”

    Posada is a true profiessional, but I don’t get the sense this is going to sit with him all that well.

  11. tyanksfan36 November 8th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Fran

    I agree with you and with Posada. He has been with the Yankees his whole career, he has been the primary catcher for over a decade and has contributed a lot to the team. It would be best for them to sit him down and tell him that if they pull Montero up, then he will be spending his last season teaching and mentoring Montero to be a long term starter as well. I like Posada, much how I like Jeter. He has been the catcher for as long as I remember and I dont want to see him go however I dont think that he can perform the job as he once was able to. I do think that he can be an adequate DH though so if they move him to DH then I wouldnt mind that.

  12. blake November 8th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Wave,

    I agree. I think the Yankees would probably like for Montero to catch the bulk of the games next year but he has to show that he’s able to do that. Maybe Jorge catches Pettite and CC and Montero/Cervelli catch the rest.

  13. blake November 8th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    If Pettite comes back then he’s a good saftey net for Posada because he shuts down the running game. Lee is also pretty good at holding runners because he’s smart and quick to the plate….Maybe they continue to let Cervelli catch AJ and let Montero and Posada split up the rest in whatever way makes the most sense.

  14. BoJo November 8th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    If Jorge wants to catch so much, let him warm up the pitchers in the bullpen.

    He needs to get his head on straight about the team concept.

  15. AldotheApache November 8th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 8th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    I’m not even convinced that Posada will be an adequate DH. He certainly shouldn’t be behind the plate anymore. He’s a backup, a mentor, a DH, a pinch hitter, an emergency backstop.

    ———————————————

    Given your track record, I now fully expect Jorge to have an MVP-caliber season in ’11.

  16. BoJo November 8th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    I think the best scenario would be telling Jorge his days as catcher are through, and then seeing him retire. There are better DH candidates out there.

    I know that won’t happen though. $13M is a lot to walk away from.

  17. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Yankees aren’t going to sign another catcher.

    They’ll give Montero every chance to sink or swim as a major league catcher.

    Jorge deserves to be treated like a man by the organization but he has to give too. If Girardi and Cash come to him and tell him that this is the reality of the situation – that they’re going this route because Jorge’s bat is so important to the lineup and they can’t lose him for weeks at a time as they have been – then Jorge needs to embrace the role of DHing and not pop off in the media about it as he has.

    It’s an interesting scenario – there was a lot of resentment from Girardi about losing playing time to Jorge when Posada was coming up and now Posada is going to resent Girardi for taking away some of his playing time with Montero coming up.

    MLBTradeRumors has a much more in-depth guesstimate of where the top Free Agents will sign this winter. According to them it’s going to be a good winter for the Red Sox.

  18. 86w183 November 8th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    I wouldn’t want or expect this to sit well with him. Jorge is a prideful guy and if he wants to work his ass off and be in great shape and hold on to the hope of catching 108-120 games then that’s all good as far as I’m concerned.

  19. tyanksfan36 November 8th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Wave

    I agree, I still see Posada catching on Opening Day. I think they will do the same thing they did this year at least at first. Have him catch 2 or 3 games then cervelli 1 and so on. I think after the offseason some of his nagging injuries should be gone and he should be fine for a while. I think if they bring Montero up in May or June then Montero should take Cervelli’s starts. I think Posada takes his job very seriously and though his defensive abilities are diminishing he is still a man and men are stubborn and dont like to admit that they arent what they used to be.

  20. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    My guess on the catching break down:

    Jorge – 60 – 70 games
    Montero – 70 – 75 games
    Cervelli – whatever’s left

  21. OldYanksFan November 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Mybe Posada plans on still playing after 2011? I’m not sure the Yanks would sign him except as a year-2-year BUC/DH/PH… and that’s only if he has a good year in 2011. However, Po is approaching HOF territory. At this point, another year or 2 (after 2011) may get his counting stats to where he has a better chance for the Hall.

    Catcher is typically a ‘Defense First’ position, and most great Catchers earned their rep behind the dish. But there is Piazza, and with a 123 OPS+, I believe Po in somewhere in the top 5 or 6 amoungst modern Catchers.

    It would be hard to see Po playing in another uniform, but if Montero succeeds, and with Romine in the pipeline, it’s hard to see a need for Po after 2011.

  22. blake November 8th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Chip,

    Whatever’s left probably will equal AJs starts.

  23. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Chip: According to the media the SUX are always destined for a good winter. It happens every year. I think they finish with Buck, Beltre and Crawford. Next year they add Fielder. They have a bunch of overrated prospects so they’re crazy if they think they’ll be able to trade for Adrian Gonzalez.

  24. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Girardi passed it on to Posada. Girardi didn’t like it either.
    Posada has to pass it on to either Montero or Romine.
    That said, it’s silly to think that the opening day catcher won’t be Posada, irrespective of how many games he will or won’t catch behind the plate.
    His time has come.

    SOmething tells me that Pettitte won’t agree to a contract until AFTER negotiations are complete with Jeter and Mo. If the unthinkable happens – truly unthinkable – and Jeter and the Yankees can’t come to an agreement – he’ll retire.

    Priorities for Cashman are:
    1. Jeter
    2. Rivera
    3. Lee
    4. Pettitte
    5. Lefty bullpen arm.
    6. Bench
    7. #5 rotation spot

  25. blake November 8th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    I hope the Sox get held up by Boras for Prince Fielder.

  26. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    @chip, who is your choice at DH ?

  27. Mike Ri November 8th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Honestly . .Jorge behind the plate makes me sick . . Pass Balls . and Runners running at will! . . Its NOT going to get better folks !

    ITs time for Montero to get his feet wet .. The less days Jorge is behind the plate the better

  28. AldotheApache November 8th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    BoJo November 8th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    If Jorge wants to catch so much, let him warm up the pitchers in the bullpen.

    He needs to get his head on straight about the team concept.

    —————————————–

    Maybe we should ease up on the vitriol.

    All Jorge is saying is that he’s gonna be PREPARED, same as always.

    What’s the issue with that? Injuries happen, and things often don’t work out the way it’s drawn up during planning.

    He has professional pride.

    Good for you, Jorge!

    If Montero comes through, Jorge shouldn’t catch more than 60-80 games.

  29. Mell November 8th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    “I’m not even convinced that Posada will be an adequate DH”

    Respectfully disagree. Given 600 PA’s, I think he’d almost certainly be in the top half of the AL, probably even Top 5.

  30. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Would folks have preferred it if Jorge said that ‘he’s going to prepare to be a backup’?

    Silly. He said exactly the right thing. You always want to preprare to be a starter, irrespective of the eventual assignment.

  31. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Cashmoney -

    When Posada’s catching Montero DH’s
    When Montero’s catching Posada DH’s

    that’s why you carry Cervelli. Since both Posada and Montero will be in the everyday lineup you need a back-up catcher on the bench.

  32. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Posada was mouthing off to the media about the team’s handling of the core guys too. He was saying how Jeter and Mo should be top priority over Cliff Lee. It’s none of his business to publicly bash the team’s off season plan.

  33. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    FiretheUmpire -

    before you get on Jorge for what he said about how the Yankees should take care of Mo and Jeter before worrying about Lee –

    Keep in mind that Jeter publically bashed the Yankees for going after Giambi instead of bringing back Tino and in fact said he would not help recruit Giambi for the Yankees.

  34. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    While I wouldn’t mind Lee being a Yankee, I’m not as enamored as others at the prospect.

    CC lifetime: 157-88 (never a losing season), 3.57 ERA
    Lee lifetime: 102-64 (2 losing seasons) 3.85 ERA

    And folks want to pay him MORE than CC? You’ve got to be kidding.

  35. tyanksfan36 November 8th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    All this hinges on if they sign Cliff Lee. If the Yankees dont sign him I can see them trading away Montero for a starting pitcher. That most likely means that we will see Cervelli and Posada like we did this past season, they will wait for Romine in 2012 or the end of 2011. Its fun and not fun at the same time to speculate how things might go next year in regards to everyone but we wont find out until April unfortunately theres no way we can predict what will happen this offseason.

  36. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    When Posada’s catching Montero DH’s
    When Montero’s catching Posada DH’s
    ———-
    That’s a lot to expect from a potential 1st year starter in Montero. He has to prove he is major league ready both offensively and defensively first. My preference is Branyan at DH , co catching and teaching with PO/Montero.

  37. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    I think that if he’s DHing on a more full-time basis Posada’s numbers will greatly improve from where they were this year.

    He’ll stay healthier, won’t miss as many games and will be fresher down the stretch.

    The big knock on Montero’s ability to catch is his defense – I don’t think that should be a problem for two reasons:

    1. We heard the same knock on Jeter when he was coming up; proved to not be an issue
    2. He’s not exactly replacing Johnny Bench back there. Posada’s defense has been terrible lately (as he’s given into age a bit)

  38. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Chip: Posada got his already. He got treated with respect and a 4th year that he never should’ve got and it has cost the Yankees because he really hasn’t lived up to his contract. He should quit while he’s ahead and stop trying to be a control freak.

  39. ac1 November 8th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    after next year, the yankees may still consider signing him as a back up, dh, bench guy like varitek. posada would be an above average guy to have backing up romine/montero. Don’t assume this is going to be his last year with the yankees.

  40. Mike Ri November 8th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    You can blame Cashman .. and the METS for that 4th year.

  41. tyanksfan36 November 8th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    FiretheUMPIRE

    I dont think that Posada was bashing them on their offseason priorities. he was probably asked his opinion on the matter and gave it, of course he is going to want his teammates who he has been with for his whole career to be signed first.

  42. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Cashmoney -

    That’s not a great allocation of resources by the Yankees.

    Montero may struggle out of the gate as most young players do, but the bat is there and hitting in the bottom of this lineup they can carry him until he adjusts.

    Playing him sparingly would actually be worse for both Posada and Montero since it wouldn’t allow either player to get in any sort of routine.

    I say you roll out a lineup of:

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Tex
    Alex
    Cano
    Posada – DH/C
    Granderson
    Montero – DH/C
    Gardner

  43. Mike in Harrisburg November 8th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    FWIW I agree with the Montero ~70, Posada ~70 and Cervelli picks up the rest school. I’d wager in that scenario Cervelli would pick up some of Posada’s allotment due to the inevitability of Posada taking an injury or two.

  44. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    tyanksfan36: Posada probably wishes Cliff Lee remains in Texas. That means Cashman will have to shine Pettitte’s shoes and do his laundry too. That means Montero will have to be traded for a starter. That means Posada would still be alpha catcher and continue to cost the Yankees. The Yankees have their plan for a reason. Posada needs to shut up about it and prepare to catcher no matter what and let the team execute their plan and then “be honest” with him when everything is in place and the appropriate time to have that serious discussion arrives.

  45. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Gardner
    Swisher
    Tex
    Alex
    Cano
    Werth
    Branyan DH
    Granderson
    Montero /Posada– C
    Nunez

    Chip, Just for fun, life without Jeter , I like my lineup better.

  46. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Year CC Lee
    2001 17-5/4.39 -
    2002 13-11/4.37 0-1/1.74
    2003 13-9/3.60 3-3/3.61
    2004 11-10/4.12 14-8/5.43
    2005 15-10/4.03 18-5/3.79
    2006 12-11/3.22 14-11/4.40
    2007 19-7/3.21 5-8/6.29
    2008 17-10/2.70 22-3/2.54
    2009 19-8/3.37 14-13/3.22
    2010 21-7/3.18 12-9/3.18

    One could even argue that CC has steadily improved while Lee has been inconsistent, but regardless, Lee isn’t in CC’s stratosphere and IMO should not be rewarded accordingly.

  47. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    I’m not understanding what’s going on with Mo.

    For years he’s been saying he doesn’t know how many more years he wants to go and so this should have been easy – a 1 year deal at $15 mil with an offer to renew it but now Mo wants a 2 year deal?

  48. G. Love November 8th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Jorge’s perception of where he is in his career and the fan perspective are 2 very different things.

    Jorge probably believes that if weren’t for the unlucky injuries, he’d still be the top offensive catcher in baseball after Mauer.

    The fans think Jorge is too old and banged up and that’s why he always lands on the DL each season.

    2 different opinions.

    I’m sure Jorge wants to start because he thinks he’s playing for a contract extension with the Yankees (or someone else).

    The fans think Jorge is in the final year as a Yankee and will happily retire at season end.

    2 different opinions.

    The Yankees need to sit Jorge down at some point before the season be brutally honest with him.

    I don’t think they will do it just yet though because they can’t tell him he’s a backup when there is a chance they may use Montero in a deal (which would be a mistake).

    They also won’t tell him he’s DH next season when the possibility exists that through transactions they may find a better DH candidate or may sign an OF’er and move Swisher to DH.

    It’s not in the Yankees best interest to give Jorge any answers yet as the team is still in the process of being put together for next year and if they tell him one thing and change it on him later on it has the potential to bring out a petulant Jorge.

    I also don’t think the Yankees want to tell him they see him as a 1 year backup to Montero. I can only imagine how infuriated that would make him despite being thrown the DH bone.

    I really think Jorge thinks he’s playing for an extension and he’ll retire one day with Jeter hand in hand.

    I don’t think the Yankees think that at all.

  49. ac1 November 8th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Gardner
    Swisher
    Tex
    Alex
    Cano
    Werth
    Branyan DH
    Granderson
    Montero /Posada– C
    Nunez

    __

    me too cashmoney, especially since you have 10 hitters in the lineup.

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan November 8th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Some of the predictions you see here are mind boggling. You wonder if they even watched a single game last year. Here’s an example. A prediction that AJ Burnett will go 18-8 with a 4.00 ERA in 2011. Wow.

    AldotheApache November 3rd, 2010 at 2:11 am

    Dylan, with this offense, Phil Hughes turned in an 18-8 record “with an ERA of around 4.” AJ can do that. He was 18-10 (I think) in his his walk year with the Jays, with a similar ERA.

    I believe he can do that.

  51. ac1 November 8th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    and if mo wants a 2 year deal, give it to him.

  52. Mike in Harrisburg November 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Is there any reality at all in the possibility of Posada becoming a player/coach of sorts, with an eye to transitioning to bench coach or something in 2012 or 13?

  53. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    ac1, – Branyan. my bad.

  54. G. Love November 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Chip,

    If Mo wants 2 years, you give him the second year. He will not be a player who stays past his expiration date. If next year or the following year he is not the pitcher he knows he was, he will walk away.

    Mo won’t go out being slapped around the park and blowing saves.

    He’s my favorite Yankee and I know he will end it on his terms and won’t ruin his legacy as a buried option in the pen making 15 million dollars.

    He was great last season. He deserves a multi-year deal more than Jeter does in my opinion.

  55. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Cash -

    well if you want to have some real fun:

    Jeter doesn’t re-sign

    Yankees trade: Gardner, Nunez and a pitching prospect to Arizona for Stephen Drew

    Sign Lee and Crawford

    Lineup:

    Crawford – LF
    Swisher – RF
    Tex – 1b
    Alex – 3b
    Cano – 2b
    Posada – C/DH
    Granderson – CF
    Montero – DH/C
    Drew – SS

  56. Tom in N.J. November 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Reading comprehension is a lost art.

  57. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Mike -

    I can’t see it.

    I don’t think players who bank that kind of money want to to put in the work it takes to be a coach/manager.

  58. West Coast Yankee Fan November 8th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    I don’t have an issue with Mo getting a two year deal. He was stellar this year and shows no signs of slowing down like Jeter and Posada are.

  59. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Posada is on his last multi-year contract with the Yankees. From here on it’s probably year to year, or at most a 2 year deal, depending on his effectiveness as the DH this year. He had better hope he excels at it.

    Mo will get a 2 year deal.

    Jeter should get a 3 year deal, somehwere around $45M. To me, that’s generous.

    Andy, presuming the above get resigned, will take a 1 year @ $12M. That too is generous.

  60. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    G. Love: You took the words right out of my mouth. You said what I meant to say but like 100 x better. It’s impossible right now to level with Posada because the team plan is up in the air and the Yankees won’t know Posada’s status for sure until much later in the off season and most certainly after Cliff Lee signs somewhere. I also agree that the Yankees don’t see him as playing for an extension in 2011 even though he envisions himself retiring with Jeter 3-5 years from now. If Posada is unhappy now, just wait until the 2011 off season. He’s going to bolt somewhere else. This will end badly.

  61. randy l. November 8th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    no reason jorge can’t catch 80 games next year if he’s healthy.

    as far as jeter goes, it’s probably not optimal for performance for him to lead the league in plate appearances that way he did in 2010.

    baseball is played almost every day and it takes longer to recover from the daily wear and tear a player gets. i would be very surprised if jeter wasn’t a better player if he played 10% less.

    the yankees and jeter should think about it.

  62. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Tom in N.J. November 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    Reading comprehension is a lost art.

    ******************************

    :lol:

    Classic.

  63. G. Love November 8th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    The Yankees will not give Jorge Posada another extension. This is his last year as a Yankee even though I’m sure he thinks he’s playing for more years.

    This 4th year of this deal was only accomplished because Jorge used Omar Minaya and the Mets into forcing the Yankees to give him a 4th year.

    Cashman and the Yankees are not going to bring him back anymore at his age and injury risk even unless he goes out and hits 35HR as a DH and part time catcher and finishes the season strong and healthy with no DL trips.

    I don’t anticipate that happening. I think Jorge will catch early and often and get banged up and hit the DL making way for Montero.

    It’s why I think the Yankees really need to sign a legit DH for the upcoming season.

    Relying on Jorge to be a healthy DH for 100 games or more is not a wise strategy.

  64. OldYanksFan November 8th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Gardner
    Swisher
    Cano
    Teix
    Alex
    Dunn, DH
    Montero /Posada– C
    Granderson
    Nunez

    The Yankees would NEVER let Jeter go, but this is a better allocation of resources.
    Dunn will get less then Jeter and is a force with the bat.

    Dunn is 30, and has a career OPS+ of 133.
    Teix is 30, and has a career OPS+ of 134.

  65. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Bernie didn’t wear another uniform, and neither will Jeter, Rivera, or Posada.

    If the rotation looks solid next season, and his buddies are there, Andy will return for 1 more shot at a title. If the rotation looks weak or his buddies are gone, Andy will retire by Christmas.

    Regardless, the end of the Core Four is near.

  66. upstate kate November 8th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    At this point, no one knows exactly what the team will look like next season. Given that, why wouldn’t Po prepare for the starting catching job. I don’t see where he said he would be unhappy not being a starter or where he has said he wants an extension. Of course he wants to catch but that doesn’t mean he will cause problems if he doesn’t. He mentored Montero last year in ST. Why wouldn’t he continue?

  67. Mike Ri November 8th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    What happens come playoff time ???? Jorge cant’ throw anyone out , Montero is a ? as far as his defense goes, and Cervelli can’t throw anyone out ??

    In the playoffs .. It comes down EXPOSING a teams weakness ! . . IF we play a team like the Angels , The Rays , the Red Sox , or the Rangers . . . They are going to run till the cows come home.

    Look at what the Rangers did to us for Gods Sake .. I dont’ care what happens in the regular season . >Jorges ,and Monteros bat will take us to the playoffs… . .But its there defense come playoff time that scares me

  68. Mike in Harrisburg November 8th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    @Chip – interesting. Yeah probably not, but Jorge struck me as the one guy of the core who would be most likely to coach or manage after his playing days are over. I guess it’s a little too fairy tale to think a transition could be that smooth though.

  69. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    also, I am not adverse letting the core four go period. Time to turn the page.

    Armchair GM in full Mode

    Mo replacement Soriano
    Jeter replacement Nunez
    Andy replacement Kuroda
    Po replacement Montero (2011)

    The money saved could be use for Werth or a DH. Whatever that’s left could go to more pitching and bench depth.

    This will never happen with the Yankee way of doing biz. But , the Yankee could get younger with these additions while remain largely competitive.

  70. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    @ Mike Ri – I think that’s a great point. I remember when Ellisbury stole home on Posada. Then there were those double steals. No bueno.

    Folks are running on the Yanks. But I think that both Posada and Cervelli can be better, and Cervelli was during his first year. He just has to work on that release some more with Tony Pena.

  71. Mike Ri November 8th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    DaSaint007-.. I don’t think its going to get better ! … Posada is headed south as a defensive catcher !.. ( Plus all those Pass Balls )

    I know this is brutal . . But Cervelli has NO place on the is team.. He’s a cheap back up but he can’t throw anyone out and he can barely hit ! . . I”d rather have a veteran that has a cannon back up .

    Posada- DH
    Montero – C
    Veteran- Defensive Specialist !
    Cervelli — Traded. . . for money , a another player . or a bag of balls ! ..

  72. Patrick from CT November 8th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    I think George not wanting to give up his job just yet is a vary good thing. He should be the DH most of the time at this point though.
    Hopefully J Montero is good enough to catch 100+ games with Georgie only catching enough to stay sharp if someone get hurt.
    The need to work Cervelli at 3b and outfield so he can be flexable enough to come of the bench at more than just C.
    The Yankees don’t need to sign another catcher, they’ve got Georgie and a bunch of kids ready to take over.
    Montero 80-100 games
    Posada 30-40 games
    Cervelli 30-40 games
    If the Yanks can have Montero catch 100 games and get 400abs, that would be great.

  73. 86w183 November 8th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    anyone who thinks Posada or Montero is going to be in the lineup 160 times next season is, woefully uninformed. There’s no way Posada, who has not topped 120 games in three years is suddenly going to play every day. No way.

    Most likely you’ll see Montero and Posada each catch about 80 games and DH at most about 40. That leaves 80 games as the DH for Rodriguez, Teixiera, Jeter, Swisher et al.

    That’s why you DON’T carry Cervelli, too. It would be an absolute waste of a bench spot for a guy who cannot play anywhere else on the field. You need guys to play in the field to spell the older guys when they are DHing.

  74. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Cash,

    They’ll all be back. It’s mutually beneficial all round for at least the next couple years.

  75. Mike in Harrisburg November 8th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    This is all assuming Montero hits and doesn’t embarrass himself behind the plate. If he doesn’t succeed immediately you’re going to need a third guy able to jump in and play for possibly an extended period of time. Same as if Posada pops a hamstring or something.

  76. Mike Ri November 8th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    MIke in Harrisburg -_ Thats why its sooo important that the Yankees explore the market for a defensive minded catcher !! . . Somebody that can throw out a runner !

  77. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Cervelli, despite what many here think, is well regarded a decent, and affordable backup. He had a bad year defensively – it happens. But he’s young enough to rebound, unlike Posada. He also provides depth for Montero, knowledge of the pitching staff (kids too), and can play 3B in a pinch.

    We can’t clamor for the kids to inherit the house, then get ready to trade them off when they falter for a year. You have to be patient, haven’t we learned that as yet?

    Montero may be the real deal. He may not. Romine may be better. He may not. But options abound. Regardless, Posada’s days as starting catcher are over. Opening day catcher for 2011, sure, but Opening Day 2012? Doubt it.

  78. LGY November 8th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    It is amazing to me that many of the people who want the Yankees to resign Jeter for 3, 4, 5 years at 20 or so million per year are insistent that next season absolutely has to be his last with the Yankees.

    Have to wonder what some were watching last season when Jeter and Posada were at the plate.

  79. 108 stitches November 8th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Tony Pena will work hard this spring to refine whatever he feels Montero needs to be no worse than an adequate catcher. It’s up to Montero to prove that he belongs, once and for all. Jorge may start the season as the starting catcher but if Montero makes the most of his chances, things will change and Jorge becomes more of a mentor.
    Jorge has the qualities to one day be a good manager although that’s down the road.

  80. MDD2 November 8th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I think it’s the opposite, LGY. Looks like the same people lack sentimentality for both.

  81. Tarheel In NYC November 8th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    I think that Jorge’s remarks are indicative of his professionalism and his devotion to his team. He’s simply saying that he’s going to be prepared for business as usual unless he’s told otherwise.

    Frankly, I’d be disappointed in him if he let up on his intensity and decided to prepare for ST and the 2011 season with a half-a** approach.

    I completely agree with him that the Yankees should be honest and up front with him. It’s the decent and right thing to do. Jorge has given them 100% each and every day he has stepped out onto a baseball field, and I think the organization owes him honesty and forthrightness.

    I think Jorge just wants to be physically and emotionally prepared as much as possible. It’s going to be sad for him, personally, to have to give up his role—regardless of the reasons.

  82. MDD2 November 8th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Perfect post, Tarheel. Couldn’t agree more.

  83. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    The Yankees are in the enviable position of having tremendous options at catcher in their system. Mant think Montero could be an offensive horse. Some think Romine is more balanced and better defensively. Some think that there are others better than both. Cervelli wasn’t intended to be anything more than a defensive stopgap, and served as such in 2009, yet regressed in 2010. But guess what, he was a stopgap.

    Good job by Cashman.

  84. FiretheUMPIRE November 8th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    DaSaint007: Let’s remember Gary Sanchez is our #2 prospect and some say he has more upside than Montero. I don’t think it’s etched in stone that Jesus Montero is the catcher of the future.

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan November 8th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    There is no place for sentimentality in these decisions. Baseball is a business these days first and foremost. These guys get paid ridiculous amounts of money to help their teams win which puts fans in the stands and makes money for their bosses, the team owners.

    That’s not to say a team shouldn’t be generous and appreciate past efforts and loyalty. You can equate it to a severance package or a gold watch. But they don’t owe the players a thing.

  86. DaSaint007 November 8th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    In an ideal world, contracts should always be based on what you can do for an organization in the future, as you’ve already been compensated for the past.

  87. LGY November 8th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Of players in the AL with at least 400 PA, Jorge had the 29th highest OPS.

  88. West Coast Yankee Fan November 8th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    That’s exactly right DaSaint007.

  89. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Hal and Cashman struck me as non sentimental Ninjas.

  90. pat November 8th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    George Steinbrenner and Marvin Miller on the HOF veteran committee ballot. Good job by them.

  91. Joe from Long Island November 8th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    pat – both of them should be voted in. My opinion.

  92. CCBiggs November 8th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Posada as DH? Why would the Yanks want a DH who can’t H?

  93. AldotheApache November 8th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Absolutely on George, about time on Miller.

  94. pat November 8th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Others on the veterans HOF ballot are Billy Martin, Pat Gillick, Vida Blue, Dave Concepcion, Steve Garvey, Ron Guidry, Tommy John, Al Oliver, Ted Simmons and Rusty Staub.

    Joe fro LI

    My opinion agrees with your opinion.

  95. Jeff in Canada November 8th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    From another poster on another blog – high priced pitchers after age 32:

    Barry Zito (7 Years, $126M) SF
    2010 (age 32) 11 wins, 9 losses, 4.15ERA

    Mike Hampton (8 years, $121M) COL
    2005 (age 32) 5 wins, 3 losses, 3.50ERA
    2006 & 2007 – did not play
    2008 (age 35) – 3 wins, 4 losses, 4.85ERA

    Kevin Brown (7 years, $105M) LAD
    1999 – 2001 (age 34-36) great pitcher, ERA under 3 every year
    2002 (age 37) 3 wins, 4 losses, 4.81 ERA
    2003 (age 38) 14 wins, 9 losses, 2.39 ERA
    2004 (age 39) 10 wins, 6 losses, 4.09 ERA
    2005 (age 40) 4 wins, 7 losses, 6.50 ERA

    Pedro Martinez (7 years, $92M) BOS
    2004 (age 32) 16 wins, 9 losses, 3.90 ERA

    Mike Mussina (6 years, $88.5M) NYY
    2001 (age 32) 17 wins, 11 losses, 3.15 ERA
    2002 (age 33) 18 wins, 10 losses, 4.05 ERA
    2003 (age 34) 17 wins, 8 losses, 3.40 ERA
    2004 (age 35) 12 wins, 9 losses, 4.59 ERA
    2005 (age 36) 13 wins, 8 losses, 4.41 ERA
    2006 (age 37) 15 wins, 7 losses, 3.51 ERA

    AJ Burnett (5 years, $82.5M) NYY
    2009 (age 32) 13 wins, 9 losses, 4.04 ERA
    2010 (age 33) 10 wins, 15 losses, 5.26 ERA

    John Lackey (5 years, $82.5M) BOS
    2010 (Age 31) 14 wins, 11 losses, 4.40 ERA

    Roy Oswalt (5 years, $73M) HOU
    2009 (age 31) 8 wins, 6 losses, 4.12 ERA
    2010 (age 32) 13 wins, 13 losses, 2.76 ERA

    Chan Ho Park (5 years, $65M) TEX
    2005 (age 32) 12 wins, 8 losses, 5.74 ERA
    2006 (age 33) 7 wins, 7 losses, 4.81 ERA

    Chris Carpenter (5 years, $65M) STL
    2007 (age 32) 0 wins, 1 loss, 7.50 ERA
    2008 (age 33) 0 wins, 1 loss, 1.76 ERA
    2009 (age 34) 17 wins, 4 losses, 2.24 ERA
    2010 (age 35) 16 wins, 9 losses, 3.22 ERA

    Derek Lowe (4 years, $60M) ATL
    2009 (age 36) 15 wins, 10 losses, 4.67 ERA
    2010 (age 37) 16 wins, 12 losses, 4.00 ERA

    Kevin Millwood (5 years, $60M) TEX
    2007 (age 32) 10 wins, 14 losses, 5.16 ERA
    2008 (age 33) 9 wins, 10 losses, 5.07 ERA
    2009 (age 34) 13 wins, 10 losses, 3.67 ERA
    2010 (age 35 4 wins, 16 losses, 5.10 ERA

    Greg Maddux (5 years, $57.5M) ATL
    1998 (age 32) 18 wins, 9 losses, 2.22 ERA
    1999 (age 33) 19 wins, 9 losses, 3.57 ERA
    2000 (age 34) 19 wins, 9 losses, 3.00 ERA
    2001 (age 35) 17 wins, 11 losses, 3.05 ERA
    2002 (age 36) 16 wins, 6 losses, 2.62 ERA

    —–

    Lee is a better pitcher than a lot of guys on this list, the circumstances probably vary greatly, but I’m hoping if he does sign with the Yankees, it’s for no more than 5 years.

    Lee is all about the cheese. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but perhaps “Spit-gate” was a well devised tactic to make the Yankees organization worry that they might have offended him and hurt their chances of signing him. That probably leverages an extra million or two per.

    I’d be happy to see Lee in pinstripes, but it will take someone overpaying and for too long. The timing and climate couldn’t be better for Lee and his agent.

    PS – Greg Freaking Maddux

  96. West Coast Yankee Fan November 8th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Good hire by that little league team in Flushing. Paul DePodesta as their new vice president of player development and amateur scouting.

  97. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    SI_JonHeyman derek jeter currently no. 1 trend on yahoo. calm down folks. may take awhile. but theyll work it out (eventually). #yankees

  98. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Breaking News : Two time heist Jimmy from Rikers tweets – Jeter will take a dollar as base salary next year.

  99. LGY November 8th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    “That leaves 80 games as the DH for Rodriguez, Teixiera, Jeter, Swisher et al.”

    —————————————

    80 games at DH for those guys? What is this, an old age home?

    Games at DH 2010:

    Alex: 12
    Swish: 11
    Tex: 9
    Jeter: 5
    Cano: 2
    Granderson: 0
    Gardner: 0
    ———————-
    Total: 39

    So, that group is going to double their time at DH next season? Are you sure you are woefully informed? ;)

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan November 8th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    I’m not surprised about yahoo. The Jeter situation has all the elements of a great drama. The hero beloved by legions of adoring fans, the tough, cold, calculating business owners. The agent out to get as much as he can for him, the fans lining up on both sides. His legacy.

    It touches on the meaning of loyalty, professionalism, greed and right and wrong at a time where so many common folk are struggling. I can see why it’s endlessly fascinating to so many.

  101. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Breaking News : Two time heist Jimmy from Rikers tweets ? Jeter will take a dollar as base salary next year.

    **************************
    LOL

    Where’s Incarcerated Bob with Jeter contract updates??? ;)

  102. Cashmoney November 8th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    The last tweet from Bob was – Pro Bono , por favor.

  103. Wave Your Hat November 8th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Who’s going to catch AJ?

  104. upstate kate November 8th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    WYH
    my guess is that it wont be Posada

  105. Carl November 8th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    The Boss and Billy Martin are on the Veterans Committee ballot.

    I hope they both get it.

  106. OldYanksFan November 8th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Crawford – LF
    Swisher – RF
    Tex – 1b
    Alex – 3b
    Cano – 2b
    Posada – C/DH
    Granderson – CF
    Montero – DH/C
    Drew – SS

    Interesting… However, while Crawford is a small upgrade over Gritner and Drew a larger upgrade over Nunez, it $18m+ move then just leaving Gritner and Nunez alone, and putting that $18m into pitching…. or Hanley Ramirez (when the time comes).

  107. blake November 8th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    My guess is that as if right now Cervelli catches AJ….however if he’s not around then im sure someone other than Posada will.

  108. AldotheApache November 8th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 8th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    There is no place for sentimentality in these decisions.

    That’s not to say a team shouldn’t be generous and appreciate past efforts and loyalty.

    ——————————————————–

    Last time I saw a waffle like that, I was at IHOP.

  109. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Posada should prepare as if he’s catching. Just tell him he might be DH’ing more so that his bat is in the lineup.

    I’m not propsing this, but my guess is that Lee gets 5years/120-125M. I hope he signs first, Rivera next, Andy comes back, and then Jeter is reasonably signed to fit under their budget.

    In terms of just batting average, only two starters did better than 2009-Swisher @.288 and Gardner @ .277. Long has his work cut out for him.

    Sam-Please extend congratulations to Chad from me on the upcoming wedding of his sister!

  110. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Cervelli catches AJ….however if he’s not around then im sure someone other than Posada will.
    ———————————————————-

    Blake and Chip-

    Here’s a deal for you. Carl Zambrano, Sean Marshall and cash for AJ Burnett and Cervelli. :)

  111. blake November 8th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Trader,

    That would be ok if that’s how it infolded. I think the Lee deal could range anywhere between 5/115 and 6/140. Just depends on how serious Texas and others are and how.high they are willing to.drive the price.

  112. blake November 8th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Trader,

    While Zambrano is probably a better pitcher than AJ im not sure I wouldn’t rather just have Burnett…..

  113. BD (Boston Dave) November 8th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    IMO,

    It’s still too early to expect Montero to catch regularly.

    The Yanks should sign a guy like Barajas or anyone capable of league average catching to platoon with Posada and after the first couple months you reevaluate.

  114. Dill Pickler November 8th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    I do not understand the attitude a lot of “fans” take with Posada. He has been a warrior for the Yankees for a long time and an extremely integral part of 5 world champion teams. He is not asking for anything unreasonable here, he is not making demands. He is simply asking that the Yankees tell him what they expect of him before spring training starts. Tell him what the plan for him is. The guy has given his all for the team, has provided a lot of fire and leadership for this team and we wouldn’t have won all those championships without him. He deserves a little respect.

  115. I Like Inge November 8th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Right on Dill.

  116. BD (Boston Dave) November 8th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    How valuable is Posada at DH rather than C?

    Would he even be an above avg DH?

    I know his D is slipping but he still adds more value at C, IMO. But sure, they can transition in other catchers more often than in previous years.

    p.s. Posada is and always be one of the Yankee greats in my book

  117. Jerkface November 8th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    He has been a warrior for the Yankees for a long time and an extremely integral part of 5 world champion teams.

    Actually only 4, but I love Posada all the same.

  118. upstate kate November 8th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    WOW, is that the real Jerkface saying that?

  119. Jerkface November 8th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    ?????

  120. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    The Yankees this spring will have a ton of former catchers who can work with Montero:

    Girardi
    Pena
    Wynegar
    Josh Paul (who will likely be in the pen this coming year)

  121. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Trader –

    I would much rather have Burnett than Big Zero.

  122. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Jerkface-

    I had to look back at the 1996 WS box scores. Leyritz and Girardi did all the catching. Posada didn’t have any at bats. Was he even on the postseason roster?

  123. Jerkface November 8th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    WOW, is that the real Jerkface saying that?

    Is this some sort of ‘Jerkface doesn’t want to overpay Jeter so he must hate every yankee despite his constant defense of posada,arod,gardner,hughes,cano,swisher,etc’ thing?

  124. Jerkface November 8th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Posada didn’t become a full time player until 1998.

  125. Giuseppe Franco November 8th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    I’m with BD on Montero being the everyday catcher in 2011.

    Chad posted a thread last week stating that sources on the inside were planning on Montero catching 100 games next season and Romine a possible late season call up.

    Mind you, Montero has never played a single game in the bigs and Romine hasn’t played a single game in Scranton yet.

    That’s a lot to ask from two young catchers next season, a position that’s notoriously tough to play everyday.

    I’d be thrilled if Montero catches 60 games next season. I don’t believe we’ll see Romine until 2012.

  126. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Dave -

    The issue is this – you have no other place to play Posada.

    He physically can no longer hold up to catching on a regular basis and you’re not going to insult him completely by sticking him on the bench. At the same time there is no team that is going to trade for a 40 year old catcher with nagging injuries that can’t play defense and carries a 15 mil price tag.

    So you wind up with Jorge and Montero splitting DH and C duties, and just roll with it.

  127. upstate kate November 8th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    yeah, something like that…j/k I don’t really think you hate any Yankee, not even Jeter

  128. LGY November 8th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    “How valuable is Posada at DH rather than C?

    Would he even be an above avg DH?”

    —————————

    Average DH in 2010: .250/.330/.422 .752 OPS.

    Jorge had an .811 OPS.

  129. Chip November 8th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Franco -

    I don’t think we see Romine at all – he’s not good enough to push Montero off and the Yankees have three better catching prospects behind him.

    Remember – in 1996 the Yankees handed a prominent position to an untested, unproven rookie too. And a few years earlier they did the same thing with CF. Will Montero be Jeter or Bernie – who knows – but you’re probably going to get better results playing Montero everyday than you would playing him in spot duty.

  130. Joe from Long Island November 8th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Hi, GF – I’m with you. So, either the insiders know something about Montero and Romine that we don’t, or there’s some disinformation going on.

  131. Erin November 8th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    New Post: Yankees announce spring training schedule

    :arrow:

  132. Yankee Trader November 8th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Just reviewing Posada’s situational stats:

    Batted .205 away from home and .217 night games. Does he need glasses/contacts?

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p...../2010/7987

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