NL Gold Glove winners and the rest of the awards schedule
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Nov 10, 2010 
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The National League Gold Glove winners were announced this afternoon, with the most notable name being Scott Rolen, who has now won eight Gold Gloves with three different teams. The full list:
Pitcher: Bronson Arroyo, Reds
Catcher: Yadier Molina, Cardinals
First base: Albert Pujols, Cardinals
Second base: Brandon Phillips, Reds
Third base: Scott Rolen, Reds
Shortstop: Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies
Outfield: Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies
Outfield: Michael Bourn, Astros
Outfield: Shane Victorino, Phillies
As for the rest of the awards slate, gear up for plenty of debate next week. Here’s the schedule:
Monday, November 15
Rookie of the Year (both AL & NL)
Tuesday, November 16
NL Cy Young
Wednesday, November 17
Manager of the Year (both AL & NL)
Thursday, November 18
AL Cy Young
Monday, November 22
NL Most Valuable Player
Tuesday, November 23
AL Most Valuable Player
“Brandon” Arroyo better keep his trophy at least an arms length away from A-Rod.
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Jeff Francour just became a free agent. What do you guys think about him as a fourth outfielder? His biggest negative is that he struggles against right-handed pitching, but thats fine because he would probably be replacing Granderson or Gardner against tough lefties.
Pass on that dude. No need to sign guys that are part of FBI investigations.
My Picks:
Rookie of the Year:
AL – Austin Jackson
NL – Buster Posey
Cy Young:
AL – King Felix
NL – Roy Halladay
Manager of the Year:
AL – Ron Washington
NL – Bruce Bochy
Most Valuable Player:
AL – Josh Hamilton
NL – Joey Votto
Rolen won this one playing for the Reds.
WCYF-
Agree with most, however ALROY most likely Neftali Feliz + I don’t know if a 13-12 record is going to be enough for a CY Young for King Felix.
(From previous thread)
jackamir November 10th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Do you think the Yanks would take a chance on Ollie Perez? The Mets would pay 95% of the remaining salary. He has good stuff and he was on their radar when he was on the Pirates. I don’t think it could happen but Ollie would love to stick it to the Mets.
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The only upside to obtaining Oliver Perez would be that he would AJ look consistent by comparison, and he would make Carl Pavano look like a viable option.
Perez refused a minor league assignment that he completely earned through merit. All he did for most of 2010 was take up a roster spot that the Metsies would have preferred to use on one of their Triple-A guys … and collected $12MM in the process.
When they brought him into games as a reliever, he accomplished what no one on the Mets thought was possible … he pitched even worse.
Neyer on with Kay right now….he sounds like the biggest computer nerd ever.
No Met players allowed on the Yankees – They bring no value add just gambling, card playing, choking, and no hustle
Yankee Trader – You may be right about Feliz, I just don’t like giving it to a relief pitcher. It certainly wouldn’t be a bad choice though.
AJ’s .293 BA with 103 runs scored, 181 hits, 48 extra base hits and 26 stolen bases is pretty special although K’s might hurt him.
lol austin jackson wins rookie of the april, nothing more.
Also all kinds of fielding and base running mistakes
If Kay had any stones, he would do a Jim Everett on Neyer.
Twitter humor…..
YankeesInk A double-wide pickup has reportedly overturned on an Arkansas backroad, spilling $300 million in bills. The driver, “BC”, escaped unharmed.
“We’re holdin’ this scrawny ‘lil New York feller in the poky till we find out where he was goin’ with all them sawbucks,” says Ark. sheriff.
Driver of so-called Ark. “Money Truck”, BC, reportedly evasive to police: “I’ll address your questions at the appropriate time,” he says.
BREAKING NEWS: Famed former pitcher Nolan Ryan rumored to be involved in “kamikaze” sideswipe of NY Money Truck. More to come.
NY Money Truck driver tells Ark. deputy: “Again, it’s inappropriate to comment right now. There’s a process and we’re at its early stages.”
Funny Pat. Very good.
Dylan -
I stay away from Francouer.
I’ve heard he’s a tremendous guy in the clubhouse but on the Yankees the 4th outfielder won’t be used that often and a guy who strikes out a ton as it is probably wouldn’t be a terrific bench option.
Plus I would like to have a guy who can play multiple outfield positions.
My bench choices would be:
Marcus Thames
Andruw Jones
Eric Hinske
Laynce Nix
Scott Hairston
Chris Duncan
Endy Chavez
Jeremy Reed
Andy Marte
Rick Ankiel
2 of any of that group to join Cervelli and Eduardo Nunez and I’m fine.
As much as I think King Felix deserves it, his offense cost him the Cy Young this year.
Similar thing happened to Santana in 2008, although that time it was his bullpen blowing all of his wins, not his offense not scoring runs for him.
pat-that’s hilarious.
L
Ankiel is interesting….got some.pop, pretty good outfielder, will be cheap, could bring him in to ” hit the bull” if they needed to.scare the other team.
Just to highlight the need for signing Lee this winter – here is the projected list of 2012 FA starting pitchers – there are some on the list who have no purpose being on the list since Wainwright will get his option picked up and Buherle is not leaving Chicago:
Bronson Arroyo (35)
Mark Buehrle (33)
Chris Carpenter (37) – $15MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Aaron Cook (33) – $11MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Kyle Davies (28)
Ryan Dempster (35) – $14MM player option
Zach Duke (29)
Jeff Francis (30)
Livan Hernandez (37)
Edwin Jackson (28)
Kenshin Kawakami (37)
Scott Kazmir (28) – $13.5MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
Paul Maholm (30) – $9.75MM club option with a $750K buyout
John Maine (31)
Jason Marquis (33)
Brandon McCarthy (28)
Gil Meche (33)
Sergio Mitre (31)
Scott Olsen (28)
Roy Oswalt (34) – $16MM mutual option with a $2MM buyout
Oliver Perez (30)
Joel Pineiro (33)
Wandy Rodriguez (33)
C.C. Sabathia (31) – may opt out of remaining four years, $92MM
Carlos Silva (33) – $12MM mutual option with a $2MM buyout
Brian Tallet (34)
Adam Wainwright (30) – $9MM club option for 2012, $12MM club option for ’13
Tim Wakefield (45)
Chien-Ming Wang (32)
C.J. Wilson (31)
The “best” guys on the list are Wandy Rodriguez, CJ Wilson, Roy Oswalt, and Edwin Jackson.
Paul Maholom is a nice player (and in fact I wouldn’t mind the Yankees trying work a deal for him this winter if Andy doesn’t return) but I worry about how he would translate from the NL Central to AL East and Kazmir would be a nice pickup if he could stay healthy – which he can’t.
Blake -
I was calling for the Yankees to sign Ankiel last year – I think his swing would be muy bueno in Yankee Stadium and he plays well enough in all three outfield spots.
I promised though that this year I wouldn’t obsess over him or some of the other guys I was banged for last winter – so I’m mentioning him this one time and simply saying that if the Yankees added him and a right handed bat to the bench as well – I would be ok with that.
Chip-
I like those options. Personally, I hope we resign Thames. He destroys lefties and he has proven that he can hit in the clutch. Also, he really seemed to fit with this team.
chip,
you gotta hope that one of the killer b’s is in the rotation and producing
Chip,
If he would accept a bench role then I think he could be a real good fit…..I don’t think they need any platoons in the outfield next year so I don’t think it matters as much that he’s a petty.
Lefty.
blake,
Considering the Yankees were 6 out of 14 in GB% in the AL, but dead last in assists from SS as Mell posted, I would say that’s a bad sign.
Dylan -
If Thames is willing to take a similar 1 year $800k this year I see no reason for the Yankees to not bring him back… In fact I would say it’s pretty much a lock at that price.
The question then becomes just bringing in a 4th outfielder who can fill in at all the OF spots.
Nick Swisher is essentially the team’s back up first baseman
Nunez fills in at all three other infield spots
Thames can – in a pinch play the OF
So all you need is one solid OF – he doesn’t even need to be able to play CF – the odds of both Gardner and Granderson being hurt at the same time are pretty long (and no – not the MELK MAN)
My preference would be Ankiel – number two is Nix.
LGY,
Were going around in circles….we just fundamentally differ on this and that’s ok.
Blake -
Nope, doesn’t matter at all that he’s a lefty.
He’s not going to be pinch hitting for someone and the Yankees – as you point out – aren’t looking for someone to platoon with Gardner or Granderson.
You sign Ankiel and then sign Thames – you can also sign a RH minor league free agent incase Ankiel is playing a lot due to an injury to someone and then platoon the two of them.
Here’s a question I have.
Do the Yankees now prefer to break in new young arms via the BP ala Phil Hughes ?
Will that be the model going forward ?
Or
Is there still a basic separation between the way Yankees view potential starters vs. relievers ?
In other words, relievers are relievers and starters are starters.
Take an example.
Let’s say Brackman is brought up to the Majors to work out of the BP.
Is that a stepping stone to him going into the rotation if he does well, or does he stay in the pen because of it ?
I don’t think this is clear. Maybe it can’t be made so.
KD -
or that the Yankees swing a trade for a good young starter.
Neyer just called Brett Gardner maybe the best defensive outfielder in the AL and said he should have won the Gold Glove. Wasn’t a Yankee hater today, just opinionated.
MTU -
I’m hopeful that Brackman – or whomever the next big thing is – just goes right from the minors into the rotation. I couldn’t deal with another round of the Joba debates.
Chip-
My only problem with Nix and Ankiel is that it would leave us with Swisher, and three lefty outfielders. It wouldn’t bother me if Granderson and Gardy didn’t both struggle against left-handed pitching. I think that our 4th OF needs to be right-handed, unless the Yankees feel like Thames can play the field.
Blake -
Also, after his performance this year – I’m thinking if Ankiel wants to stay in baseball he’s going to have to accept a bench role.
blake,
That’s true, but I just didn’t want you to think I was ignoring your question!
Dylan -
I don’t think it really matters – the Yankees used Gardner and Granderson in the playoffs against Lee and Wilson when they had Kearns on the bench so I think that speaks to the fact that Girardi’s not going to bench either of those guys against a tough lefty.
Chip-
I have heard many express the desire for Brackman to get his feet wet out of the pen.
I see you have a different view.
I was just wondering what the Yankees think ? What is THEIR paradigm for developing young Pitchers going forward ?
Personally I might give a slight edge to Andruw Jones because he’s better in the field than Thames – but I don’t think the Yankees would see it that way.
MTU -
I honestly think the Yankees have their heads so far up their collective hindquarters in how to properly develop young pitchers that they don’t have an answer for that question.
The Yankees took a fantastic talent who could have either been a top 3 starter or a closer and have instead turned him into the most overly debated middle reliever in the game. (Joba in case you didn’t get where I was going with that)
Night gang
Chip-
I respectfully disagree. I think Girardi only started both of them because Kearns was awful for the Yankees. I would rather have a right-handed hitter with power. It doesn’t bother me if they can only play the corners, because Gardy and Granderson both play CF
pat
That was very, very clever!
Don’t look now, but the Yankees are getting organizationally young right under our eyes:
Cano, Gardner, Pena, Nunez, Cervelli, Hughes, Joba, Robertson, and now either Montero or Romine.
Loving it!
The Yankees indeed screwed up with Joba. In retrospect it was a terrible mistake to allow Joba to to switch places with the Jersey-Shore Joba impersonator just because he “felt like doin’ some pitchin’” and Joba “felt like eatin’ some bagels and hittin’ on some Jersey girls.”
Never again.
Chip-
Let’s forget the Yankees for a moment.
How do other Franchises who are successful at developing young Pitching do it ?
For example the Giants. How did they go about developing their young arms ?
Did they work out of the BP first or just go straight into the rotation out of the Minors ?
I think the Yankees like the BP/spot starter model myself.
MTU -
I thought you knew the Yankees plan for deveoping young pitchers.
Trade them, when they get really good, sign them as FA at the highest salary possible, or something like that.
MTU – The Giants did something the Yankees will never do, bring up young pitchers, let them pitch and learn at the ML level, struggle, fail, and let the cream rise to the top.
Al-
That will teach me to be serious.
It does seem that with our young talent their is a very limited time window for them to “prove” their worth.
Isn’t this generated by the constant need to win ?
We have quite a few high cieling arms at the upper levels of the Minors.
How do we develop and utilize them to our maximum benefit ?
Maybe there will never be a “one size fits all” model. Each being an individual and all.
I was just pondering this today. that’s all.
I like the idea of having young pitchers come and work out of the pen, Hughes had a great year in his first full year granted he was gifted with excellent offense on days he started. The Rays started David Price’s major league career out of the pen and look how well he has done(i know he was always good but its another example) those are the only two I am familiar with because I follow the Yankees and live in Tampa so im forced to hear about the Rays. I think it gets them used to the pressures of facing Major league hitters but eases them into it. The only downside is they get innings limits in their first full years. If they started Banuelos in the AAA in 2012, then by 2013 he could start right away in the rotation because he would be used to pitching all those innings, spending a year in the pen would mess that up, or so it would seem, im not an expert.
MTU -
On a serious note, I think the ideal way to do it, is have a solid 1-4 SP rotation, then bring up what you believe is your next SP. Let him be the #5 SP, if he fails, live with it, so long as you still have faith he is making strides forward.
The problem with Nova and all the other SP is in AAA, as soon as they get in a little trouble, they take them out of the game. They’re never given a chance to learn how to deal with stress, and tight situations, so they learn it at the ML level. This is wrong. Pitchers should be taught to go 7+ innings, and how to win games in AAA, not in the ML.
LGY,
I didn’t think you were….I know you’re a busy guy.
CHIP,
Agreed on.Ankiel.
# BIG AL November 10th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
MTU – The Giants did something the Yankees will never do, bring up young pitchers, let them pitch and learn at the ML level, struggle, fail, and let the cream rise to the top.
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the reason that the Yankees dont do that is because they cant afford it. The fans and higher ups expect a winner every year. If we were to bring up Nova as the fifth starter next year and he bombed, we would all be crying for them to replace him with someone else who is better because he would be hurting our chances of making it to and excelling the in the playoffs. The Giants fans dont have those expectations(they also dont spend 200 million every season) so they can afford to let their pitchers develop.
Ty36-
Imo one of the upsdies of pitching out of th pen is that it teaches young guys to attack hitters and trust their stuff.
Hughes took that lesson and applied it to starting.
Young guys have a tendency to nibble too much.
On the other hand, not every starter responds as well.
Take Joba as an example.
He was sent back to the pen to accomplish the same thing as Phil.
It didn’t take so far. He is still inconsistent and doesn’t always attack the hitters.
Their are other mitigating factors to consider in Joba’s case but I don’t wish to digress here.
My point is. What is the most efficient, and effective way to develop young arms ? What works the best ? etc.
There are also several downsides to working out of the pen.
I’m sure we can all agree on that as well.
Al-
There seem to be several deficiencies in the way things are done at the Milb level.
It applies to some of young hitters, and may apply to some of young arms as well.
The Yankees are not a small market team and never will be so I guess they don’t try to copy what those types of organizations do because their isn’t a need to do so.
For example, wouldn’t most/all young Twins players be taught to bunt
before being promoted to the majors ?
How do they break in their young arms ?
tyanksfan36 November 10th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
My point is this; If the Yankees made it clear the #5 spot was being used to develope an up and coming SP, and fans would need to show as much patience as the team, it could work. Nova is a good example of my earlier post, AAA pitchers are not allowed to work through high stress situations, so when they reach that point in the ML, they get nervious, and don’t know how to handle it, so, they nibble, walk batters, throw bad pitches etc., that’s what Nova did, and most others when they come up. It takes time to learn how to pitch, but, most of those lessons should be taught in AAA. You watch the future pitchers coming out of the Texas farm, they will be better prepared, because of Nolan Ryan.
There is no ‘exact science’ on developing major league pitchers.
David Price doesn’t seem too affected by beginning his career out of the bullpen.
I’d like to see Nova, Phelps, and Mosely, given the opportunity to compete for the #5 spot, and would like to see Albaladejo stick with the pen from opening day. But instinct tells me he’ll be packaged in a trade just as Melancon was.
I agree Big Al.
Pitchers are few and far between that get a call to the big leagues and say “Hell no, I’m not going back down ever again” and prove it with their guts and determination
They have to go through the learning curve like any other occupation and when they’re ready they know it. If pitchers can go deep into games in the AA and AAA levels, he taking a big step to the big show. Nova will learn.
MTU
I agree with that, I never really saw much of Hughes out of the pen because I didnt have mlb.tv until this year and only saw the occasional game on ESPN/fox/tbs but from what I heard during the season was that he was better out of the pen and he attacked the batters more than he did this season as a starter, they used the foul balls that he got as an indicator of that.
Ill talk to my friends husband about his opinion on it. He is a relief pitcher in the Nationals minor league system, he used to be a starter but had TJ surgery and is now mitigated to the pen. I think someone who has experienced both might have more to say about it.
Ty36-
Thanks. That’s a good idea. See if you can get some feedback sometime.
Big Al -
Nolan Ryan is actually the prime example of a pitcher who struggled early on. Ryan walked EVERYONE!!
At the time, the mindset was different, but even then the Mets kind of lost patience with all the walks. No one could hit Ryan; they either struck out or walked, it seems.
(Plus, Ryan and his wife didn’t love NY)
The biggest problem with Hughes in the BP was he knew he just had to throw hard for 1 inning, thus he never continued his development of his secondary pitches. That was a sore point during this past season, but now that he’s a SP, his other pitches will come along, and he’ll be fine.
Big AL
You and I and a lot of people would be okay with them saying that the #5 spot was being used to develop a new pitcher but I dont see everyone being happy with it. You cant please everyone and we all know that the majority of Yankee fans dont want to deal with some guy stinking it up every fifth day even in the event that he may be good in the future. What if they leave Nova in the 5th spot and at the end of the season they realize that he just isnt the right fit? do they go into the next season and say oh, heres this new guy Banuelos and we are going to put him in the 5th spot, maybe he will work out? I wouldnt mind them giving the 5th spot to someone to develop but it would raise a lot of issues, especially if we already had inconsistency in the rotation. Im in the middle of getting up from what Im doing so if this doesnt make sense ill reword it when I get to where i am going.
Doreen -
My point was about his plans with minor league pitchers learning to go deep into games, throw more pitches, and learn how to be a complete pitcher , before leaving AAA.
Well. All I can say is that it would behoove the Yankees to have an efficient and effective way to develop their young arms.
They have a lot of talent at the upper levels of the minors and it would be a shame not to take full advantage of it.
Perhaps they do. Perhaps they will.
SJ probably has a lot of insight into this.
I like the idea of the #5 spot being used to develop young pitchers, generally speaking, of course.
Al-
Why do think they do not seem to implement your idea at the Minor league level ?
tyanksfan36 -
Not what I had in mind. If Nova, or whomever, was the #5 starter, he’d have to show he was making strides in becoming a legit SP, if not, find another spot in the BP, or back to AAA. I feel a SP between ST and July 1 should be able to prove he belongs or not. A full season should not be required to make that evaluation.
Looking at the Yankee ‘needs’ vs their ‘wants’, there really isn’t much of an immediate need other than a stable front-line starter, and that’s only because AJ is so inconsistent. Most teams only have 3 reliable starters, not 4, and certainly not 5.
Yankees have the talent at the minor-league level to make serious trades. Joba, Montero, Romine, Cervelli, Albaladejo, Phelps, and others could all be traded, but the only pressing need beyond 1 starter, is a lefty-pen guy, and you don’t trade that kind of talent for a situational lefty.
The short-term strategy (2011) is to make Posada DH, and replace him at Catcher with one of the kids. That also saves money, while keeping his bat in the linup. But Posada’s probably gone in 2012, which frees up more cash, while either Montero or Romine is the primary catcher. The other could be backup, but most likely trade bait.
ARod could replace Posada as DH in 2012, so is there a plan to use some of that talent for a 3B or is Brandon Laird the answer in 2012?
Mariano will not be around forever, and I’m sure that in 2012 or 2013 Cashman doesn’t intend to replace a $15M/year closer, with another $15M/year closer, so his replacement is more likely to be a more affordable, younger pitcher for payroll relief purposes.
Point is, some major trades are coming, and I think Cashman will surprise just as he did with the Swisher and Granderson trades.
MTU -
The biggest obstacle to making the necessary changes is Nardi Contreres. It is his system that is holding back the proper development of our young pitchers.
Al-
If that is true then perhaps he needs to be replaced ?
I gotta go soon. Sorry to leave in the middle. Maybe we can continue this later.
MTU -
Agreed, but, it is his friend, Cashman, that believes the same thing. Less pitches thrown etc., slower development, not good. Nardi was a poor PC, so why he got this job, I don’t know. The best possible PC should be in charge of pitcher development, not your worse.
MTU -
Me too, got to run, later.
Big AL
I understand, so we would use the first half to break in one pitcher, if he can’t prove his fits then either move him down or put him in the pen and bring someone else up? I am all for it, I like the idea of bringing people up rather than bringing people in. The only issue I see is say Burnett has another awful year and the guy they bring up is awful too, then we have 2 out of 5 games that we would most likely lose. I don’t see that sitting well with most people. Imo its better in the longrun to implement your idea whether they would do that or not I’m not sure
I know I read something about letting minor league pitchers go deeper into games and I think they should. It seemed this season that Nova got worse towards the 5th inning, in Tampa I know that is the inning that they pull the starter and go to the BP, I think as long as they are being effective they should leave them in longer so they can handle it at the higher levels
Off topic, but vital………. in honor of Veteran’s Day tomorrow, I’d like to thank all the military personnel who have or are serving our country to protect our freedoms. And I’d like to thank their families for the sacrifices they make. To my mom, thanks for being the first woman Marine enlistee from the great state of Minnesota during WWII. And of course, thanks for hooking up with dad in the Marines so that I could be here today!!!
tyanksfan36 -
Real quick, I need to go. AJ, if he does not do the job, move him to the BP, let him throw 1 or 2 innings, as hard as he can, and learn to live with a bad situation. You can;t allow him to take up a spot as a SP, if he continues next season where he was this last one. Talk later.
The yankees are doing that with hughes
JCPD -
Thank God for all our vets. You must be a proud son, and you have every right to be so.
Yes AL, very proud!!!
JCPD-
Amen to that. That means thanks to you GB.
According to Sherman, the Yankees have not yet made an offer to Jeter, but their meeting in Tampa went well:
Joelsherman1 updated story http://bit.ly/aa0mDj no offers yet exchanged between Jeters, #Yankees, but sides have renewed good feelings with 1 another
JCPD – obviously, you are very proud and love your parents. Bless you and them. And you are so very right. Veteran’s Day is a great day, and only a small token of how much we should care about vets.
GB7 – thank you. And to show you how much I care, I won’t torture you with what I’m making for dinner.
JCPD -
As a proud dad, I was very happy when my oldest son became a Navy Seal, and happier yet when he came home safe.
Let’s all be proud American’s tomorrow, and honor our vets, for without them, we’d not be living in a free country.
I urge all American’s to say; Thank You, when they see a member of our armed services, it really makes them feel appreciated, and you’ll feel good doing it.
BIG AL November 10th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
I urge all American’s to say; Thank You, when they see a member of our armed services, it really makes them feel appreciated, and you’ll feel good doing it.
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It’s kind of funny you say that Al, because I go out of my way to do just that. And with a day off from work tomorrow, I hope to run into many.
JCPD -
Now, that’s a picture worth taking, not a prettier site.
Here’s something for you guys to guess at: On my MLB 2K10 Yankees Franchise, I brought in an AL Catcher to free up Posada for DH only duty. Can anyone guess who I brought in? (No, I in no way traded for Mauer, so don’t guess it.)
JCPD -
When will you learn where you’ll be going for business?
who wants to read my 2 cents regarding Posada as the DH and Jeter’s future??
Posada will DH this season 2011 will be his final season due to injuries/performance
Come 2012 Jeter will gets more at bats as a DH vs playing SS.
There you go. I said it.
Now what???
It’s an opinion and a guess, so ……………..
Come 2012 Jeter will gets more at bats as a DH vs playing SS.
There you go. I said it.
now what???
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You’re correct, Jeter will collect 4 ABs as a DH in 2012 and 0 at SS.
Let’s face it people. Jeter can no longer play SS at the high level he played back in 2009. He must step aside and besides the OF, the other logical place would be as a DH.
I’m sure Posada can produce for 1 more season. 3/4 of his at bats as a DH and the rest at the catching position.
In 2012 Posada will either have to step aside or asked to move over so Jeter can assume the DH role.
Other than a trade for either player from the Yankees, how else can this play out???
Everyones favorite OFer David Dejesus traded for everyones favorite NJ punching bag Vin Mazzaro and prospect
Royals and A’s
In 2012 Posada will either have to step aside or asked to move over so Jeter can assume the DH role.
Other than a trade for either player from the Yankees, how else can this play out???
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If Jeter is unfit for SS he would go to the bench. Yankees aren’t going to waste the DH slot with him.
Al, I’ve been told they will contact me about 4 days before I go, which would be Thanksgiving day. So, I’m guessing they will call me on Wednesday. I’ll be “home” in Jersey then, so I’ll have to drive back to Corning on Friday and then tie up loose ends I would imagine to fly out either Sat or Sun so I can report on the 29th.
Jerkface-
C’mon now, Jeter is going to hit as long as he is wearing the pinstripes.
Much like Pete Rose, Jeter is going to hit the ball into his 40′s. Whether or not he chooses to play into his 40′s is another subject.
Jeter leaves me with no other choice than to categorize him as a player that won’t leave the game unless his uniform is torn from his body.
Jeter as a DH makes a lot of sense.
It gives the Yankees a glove at the very important SS position and allows his bat to be in the line-up.
And when Jeter has a bounce back year, will all these posts still be here, or will they be replaced by, I knew he’d be back, or simply move on to your next favorite Yankee target?
You guys are Yankees fans, right?
It gives the Yankees a glove at the very important SS position and allows his bat to be in the line-up.
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He hit .270 with no power, why would we want to allow that?
BIG AL, if Jeter bounces back I’ll say what I have said: I hoped it would happen but I didn’t think it would, and it really helps the yankees so I’m happy.
If Jeter doesn’t bounce back what will you all post? Give him another year to re-bounce?
And what did Posada hit as DH? And what do you expect to get from Jorge as DH?
Warning Track Power November 10th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Let’s face it people. Jeter can no longer play SS at the high level he played back in 2009. He must step aside and besides the OF, the other logical place would be as a DH.
I’m sure Posada can produce for 1 more season. 3/4 of his at bats as a DH and the rest at the catching position.
In 2012 Posada will either have to step aside or asked to move over so Jeter can assume the DH role.
Other than a trade for either player from the Yankees, how else can this play out???
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Like this.
The NY Yankees sign Lee and acquire a decent righty bat, next October they celebrate ANOTHER World Championship on the Yankees Stadium infield, and you and the rest of the contingent spend most of the winter of 2011-12 discussing how the 2012 season HAS to be the last year that Jeter will start at SS. Meanwhile, Jeter eventually retires without ever having been a starting OFer or anyone’s regular option at DH.
BIG AL November 10th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
And when Jeter has a bounce back year, will all these posts still be here, or will they be replaced by, I knew he’d be back, or simply move on to your next favorite Yankee target?
You guys are Yankees fans, right?
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BIG AL, they will say, “I’m happy for him as a Yankees fan, but NEXT YEAR he definitely needs to move to the outfield or DH.”
No, I feel Jeter will bounce back, but unlike some people, I also believe Jeter is too proud to just hang on. If he continues to spiral down, I’d look for him to retire, or allow the Yankees time to replace him. I’ll be honest in my posts if he faulters again.
Jeter strikes me more as the type who would continue to play through mediocrity thinking he can beat it with his sheer power of will. We’re talking about a guy that plays through every injury to the detriment of the team.
When I suggest that Jeter leave the SS position, the reason is because his defense is not very good. Despite winning another gold glove, its clear to see that Nunez or someone else would be a better defensive SS.
As for Posada’s career stats to date as a DH, well those are thrown out the window. Let me read his stats after a full season as a DH. I’m sure the stats will be very similiar or slightly better than his career numbers.
BIG AL, they will say, “I’m happy for him as a Yankees fan, but NEXT YEAR he definitely needs to move to the outfield or DH.”
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Anyone who is trying to get Jeter to sign a short term deal has vehemently stated his bat wont play at OF or DH. Its all the people who want Jeter to keep playing that want that.
So no, no one will be saying that.
As I’ve said, I would sign Jeter to a 2 year deal with an option, because there isn’t anything better available at SS and if he bounces back you’re set.
Jerkface November 10th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Jeter strikes me more as the type who would continue to play through mediocrity thinking he can beat it with his sheer power of will. We’re talking about a guy that plays through every injury to the detriment of the team.
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He plays through injury, because he’s like an old time ball player, that’s what they did. He sets an example for some players that want to sit because of some little pain, and because they have long term contracts, they can get away with it. Did you ever consider that Jeter playing hurt is a better option than any healthy player they had to put in his place, I’m sure he did?
are some of you much more worried about Jeter’s bat or his glove?
i have resigned to thinking his glove won’t return. that his range won’t improve like it seemed to have in 2009.
his bat is another story. the guy is a hitter and will continue to hit.
Posada can not play forever. The writing is on the wall and let’s be honest, Posada is not our best defensive catcher anymore.
Jeter can not play the SS position forever. And yes, Jeter is no longer our best defensive SS anymore.
Both Nunez and Pena have far greater range.
Warning Track, I suggest you read the aforementioned latest Blogging the Bombers entry in which a scout rates Jeter for Mark Feinsand.
If some of these defensive stats are to be believed, as this scout points out, then the Yankees should also replace both Cano and Teixeira on the right side.
The New York Yankees had the best fielding percentage in their entire storied gol-danged history!!! You would all be hard pressed to name a team with a better infield than the NY Yankees, on both sides of the ball.
I for one am not in a hurry to break up what is a team strength.
Mariano doesn’t throw 95 anymore. Should we move him to middle relief?
Jeter has a steadier glove than Pena.
Pena makes some of the great plays but botches quite a few of the routine plays.
“It’s no surprise that the Yankees are looking to make a switch from the 39-year-old Jorge Posada, and there are reports this morning that Brian Cashman had a face-to-face meeting with Posada where he was told as much. (Interestingly enough, Posada’s wife, Laura, may have been the first to break the news that her husband would be DHing next year when she wrote about it on her Facebook page.)”
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I’d rather have Jorge catching that Cervelli. Cervelli should not be a half-time catcher. He’s third string at best. Romine is nowhere near ready. I thought they would go 50/50 with Montero/Posada. Unless they go out and get another good catcher like Buck to go with Montero, I don’t like this plan.
“Jeter can not play the SS position forever. And yes, Jeter is no longer our best defensive SS anymore.
Both Nunez and Pena have far greater range.”
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So tell me, which of these 2 players you put in the line-up in place of Jeter? If you think Nunez will give you as good, no less better D than Jeter, you have not followed his career. Pena has great hands, did have a number of errors for his limlted play, but his bat is a huge down grade. Pick your poison!
Jeter = Brett Farve. Plays even if his team woud be better if he sat….
Got to go, have a good night.
Jerkface November 10th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Jeter strikes me more as the type who would continue to play through mediocrity thinking he can beat it with his sheer power of will. We’re talking about a guy that plays through every injury to the detriment of the team.
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As compared to a guy like Pavano, who won’t pitch at anything less than 100% … unless, that is, he’s in his walk year.
Or Jose Reyes, who took longer to come back from a hammy than Aaron Boone took to return to the field from open heart surgery.
The yankees are not going to have jeter dh because he will be 39 yrs old or so in 2012 with no power,this is why they don’t wan’t to give him a lot of years.
I don’t think they mind paying him 20-25 million a year,it’s the length of the contract.
We can’t have every position tied up with 40 year old players making 25 million a year.Not smart.
Why do some fans not seem to understand that when players get older, their skills diminish. It happens to everyone. No one can predict exactly when it’s going to happen and to what extent but happen it will. It’s probable given their age though, that Jeter, A-Rod and Posada won’t ever be as good as they once were.
As compared to a guy like Pavano, who won’t pitch at anything less than 100% … unless, that is, he’s in his walk year.
Or Jose Reyes, who took longer to come back from a hammy than Aaron Boone took to return to the field from open heart surgery.
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You could take it to that extreme, or maybe he could just act like a normal player, sit and rest when his wrist is mangled, and come back on a normal time frame?
Solution to Lee’s wife having problems with Yankee fans.
1. Have her sit in the dugout with the players
2. With all the quan her husband will make signing with the Yanks, have her buy all the seats around her for the entire season.
3. Give her some high end ear muffs.
4. Make her the catcher
5. Get her a life size big screen with great surround sound and have her stay at home.
6. Have the other Yankee wives be her security guard.
7??
Problem solved. Next.
Why do some fans not seem to understand that when players get older and their skills diminish, they compensate in other ways, something MANY great shortstops have done, from Phil Rizzuto to Mark Belanger.
As Feinsand’s scout put it …
“Because he’s older, a little more wise and he knows opposing hitters, how infields play, his catcher, his pitcher – all those factors. Good shortstops have instincts, and I put an 80 on his instincts this year.” (that’s a 20-80 scale, btw)
“… he always seems to be standing in the right place at the right time.”
If we sign Jeter for a longterm deal. We will have the dh position similiar to an old folks home in a couple years. A place where people are placed when they can’t cut it anymore in their regular lives. Teix? Arod? Jeter? Who’s next?
“… he always seems to be standing in the right place at the right time.”
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Well he is usually standing there as the ball glides by him 2 feet to his left.
“… he always seems to be standing in the right place at the right time.”
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Maybe he needs to stand a little more to the left place. Those balls towards second base has been his achillis heal.
all of this talk about Jeter, the position, who should replace him or when the Yankees should move him to DH is all up for debate.
i just know that Jeter and Posada and Mo and ARod and Andy can not play forever. there will come a time when those players will move on.
in 2011, Posada will be one of those players who will have to give up his full time DH spot because he is a major liability on defense. its that cut and dry.
Jerkface,
Solution to Jeters left side problem. Have Cano and Teix shift right. Problem solved. He gets to 4000 hits as a shortstop.
Jerkface – some fans don’t watch the game what can you do.
Mell November 10th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
“Interesting side note on Gil Patterson. In 1977 Carl Yastrzemski said he was the best young pitcher he’d seen in the AL in some time.”
Must of had him confused with Guidry.
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Guidry’s thoughts on Patterson: “The first time that I saw him pitch, I thought, I wish I had this guy’s abilty and pitches.”
From Joe Posnanski at SI:
“I now remember a baseball observer who watched Jeter every day saying that Jeter NEVER moved before pitches. “Watch him, he always positions himself in exactly the same place for every batter,” the observer said”.
Jeter has played 16 seasons at SS. That’s 2274 games, of which he’s played a total of 19 games at DH.
He will retire before he plays 1 game at another infield or outfield position.
Not if he signs a 4 year deal he won’t.