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“They have to earn it”

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8757606-smallIf you saw Brian Cashman’s interview on the YES Hot Stove Show yesterday, you know that he seemed particularly interested in stressing that none of the young catchers in the Yankees system are going to be handed a job for next season. Even though Jorge Posada has been told he’ll be the primary DH in 2011, Cashman doesn’t want people thinking that Jesus Montero (or anyone else) is going to automatically slide in if they don’t perform.

At Joe Torre’s gala, Cashman expanded on that concept slightly with an interesting quote about the competition between Montero, Austin Romine and Francisco Cervelli.

“I’m sure Montero’s gonna want to prove that it’s time for him to catch,” Cashman said. “I’m sure Romine’s gonna want to prove that, ‘Hey, why is Montero getting all the ink, they should be writing about me.’ And I’m sure Cervelli is in the middle of this thing saying, ‘Hey, this is a bunch of crap, because I should be the guy that they’re talking about being the everyday guy. I’ve got more experience than the other two.’”

Cashman went on, “Which creates great competition — that’s what I want. And I wouldn’t even close the door on looking out in the marketplace and see if I can secure somebody else out there as a cushion. … I hope that’ll be a great healthy competition.”Montero

Ultimately, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the Yankees signed a catcher (figure someone a cut below the John Buck level) as some more insurance but the battle between Romine and Montero (and, sure, Cervelli) should be a highlight of spring training.

These guys have been getting a whole lot of ink and attention from the media for the past few years, and if you’ve been following these guys for a while now – as I know most of you have – then spring training ought to be a whole lot of fun seeing what they can do.

* Those are AP shots of Romine (top) and Montero (below)

 
 

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164 Responses to ““They have to earn it””

  1. Mike Ri November 12th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    The Rangers have enough spending power to add Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Texas is pursuing both free agents and has approval from ownership to boost payroll above $90MM.

    Mlbtraderumors.com

  2. blake November 12th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    It’ll.have to go a lot higher than that to sign those two and also give out their arbitration raises.

  3. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    “… then spring training ought to be a whole lot of fun seeing what they can do.”

    It WILL be fun, so long as one or more of them steps forwards and stands out among the rest.

  4. jesusmonterofordh November 12th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    good, hopefully montero does what he needs to do to earned it

  5. pat November 12th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Sweeny Murti has Cashman’s audio up from last night about the catching situation and other things as well as audio from Jeter, Cone and Torre here

    http://www.fanfeedr.com/mlb/20.....ter-speaks

  6. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    I still think Jorge can catch…………

  7. DaSaint007 November 12th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Posada, while being the primary DH next year, will catch at at least 50 games next season. He is the safety net, capable of catching up to 80. That’s not what they want, but certainly, and especially in playoff situations, they want him there – fresh and ready to go.

    The battle amongst Montero, Romine, and Cervelli is for 2 spots: Starter and Backup. The loser either gets traded or stashed at AAA – just in case.

    I certainly hope Montero makes it, but woudn’t be surprised if its Romine catching the bulk of the games.

    On another note, the interest shown in De La Rosa reminds me of the Swisher move. Everyone thought he’d be the starting 1B and then VIOLA – Mark Teixeira gets signed. How do you lower the price on Lee – 1) not bid against yourself, and 2) show significant interest elsewhere.

    Cashman has been there and done that – successfully.

  8. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    On the one hand, Cash is saying that Jorge is the primary DH and on the other he’s saying one of those kids (Montero) will have to earn it – that makes no sense. He’s already basically taking the job away from Posada ……..and we all know that Romine isn’t ready and Cervelli is not a starter. What happens if Montero has a bad spring and Romine, say, a hot one? Then what? Romine is the starting C? I don’t think so.

  9. Phil in Columbus November 12th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    The Rangers could probably sign Vmart and Lee, just like I could go buy a Mercedes. I’d have to cut back somewhere, so would the Rangers. If the Yanks want Cliff they will get Cliff. I’ll keep my Honda.

  10. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 11:51 am
    I still think Jorge can catch…………

    ————————————————

    I think he can still catch, also. I just don’t think he can stand up to the rigors of catching so many games, and he breaks down easier now.

    From what I saw of him in the second half, his hitting suffered somewhat as a result.

  11. 108 stitches November 12th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Depending on what is seen in March, Cashman may wait until late March to see if a decent defensive catcher shakes out when teams are paring rosters to get down the the 25-player limit.
    Competition can bring out the best in many players.

  12. Doreen November 12th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Hence looking outside the organization in addition to the youngsters.

    ***

    Anyone have any thoughts about Greg Zaun? He says he’s available and wants to play ANY role for a contender. Coming off surgery and rehab. But in the past, he’s been a name that’s been batted around here.

  13. Tom in N.J. November 12th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Cash has said the Posada’s the D.H. and there is an open competition for the catching jobs.

  14. blake November 12th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    The Rangers would have to nearly double their 2010 payroll to bring Lee and Vmart on board.

  15. Phil in Columbus November 12th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Wonder how much the Rangers are going to have to pay Josh Hamilton and CJ Wilson in arbitration this year? Lets hope Hamilton wins the MVP.

  16. DaSaint007 November 12th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Cervelli having a bad defenive year last year doesn’t mean that he can’t improve over his career. Posada was no gem when he started either. He too was known more for his potential with his bat than his glove.

    Cervelli impressed many in 2009. I’ve always liked his enthusiasm and mobility. He’s a slap hitter with a quick release (sometimes too quick) and a strong arm. He can be an effective backup. Can he be better than Montero or Romine? Most likely not, as he’ll never hit better than them.

  17. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Betsy,

    Imo, best case scenario … Montero wins the job, catches 100-110 games or so, and hopefully less if they have a capable, experienced backup.

    Worst case scenario? Posada shares catching duties (80-90 games or so). Who he ends up sharing the job with will be determined by who they pick up plus ST performances.

  18. Giuseppe Franco November 12th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    I’d be absolutely shocked if Montero catches 100-110 games next season.

    These days, even experienced full time catchers don’t usually catch more than 120 games a season. They take too much of a beating – not to mention having to catch 9 innings in 90 degree weather all summer.

    I’d be thrilled if Montero catches 60 games in his rookie season.

  19. murphydog November 12th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    “I still think Jorge can catch…”

    He can, but the question is whether he should if there are other options. DH plus some time behind the plate sounds good for Sado ’11, barring the unforeseen. As for letting the kid catchers fight it out in ST, remember, this is the man who said Bubba Crosby was his starting CF.

    I see Cash making a deal/FA pickup for a starting catcher for 2011, allowing another year of maturation for Romine and/or Montero so one can take over as starter or bring back good stuff in a trade. They use part of Vazquez’ salary for the new catcher. And I don’t necessarily see Posada behind the plate in the playoffs if they have gotten through a whole season with him as DH primarily. They’ll go with their season’s starting C instead.

    I don’t see Cervy figuring prominently in their plans past the 2011 trade deadline latest, assuming he isn’t dealt this offseason. Kids with much higher ceilings are nipping at his heels. If no deal for a MLB ready starter, they turn Bench Coach Tony Pena into “Mr. Miyagi” for Romine and Montero. Now that Cliff Lee is “only” going to cost money, I’m betting they keep Montero and that bat. If he really can hit, they’ll get him in the lineup and live with the rest. Romine might be the one on the bubble as he might be ready enough to get good stuff back in a trade.

    Gregg Zaun? Out of baseball this past year if not mistaken. IMO, would give you no more games than Posada and not an offensive threat at all.

  20. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Posada only needs to catch 50-60 games a year. Pettitte and maybe half of Sabathia’s and Hughes’ starts.

  21. Wave Your Hat November 12th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Reading the news about Texas having enough payroll room to chase both Lee and VMart, a hypothetical question popped into my head.

    Suppose the Yanks sign Jeter for, say, 4 years/$60MM, but then the Rangers outbid the Yanks for Lee.

    How would everyone feel about that?

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan November 12th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Here’s the Fox Sports article on the Texas Rangers payroll.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....nez-111210

  23. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    GF, you could be right, but 60 games seems kinda low to me. If he’s with the Yankees all or most of the season, and catches only 1/3 of the games, then I would think he’s going to see some time at DH.

  24. rb from LI November 12th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    O/T

    I love this from Sweeny Murti. At the Safe At Home Dinner he spoke with Jeter, Torre and Cone – audio included in the blog post. But this was the best:

    “Mariano Rivera stopped by to chat for a moment as well, but only long enough to tell us he didn’t know anything about his contract talks, but he promised to fill us in when the time comes. It was fast and clean, and as he walked away after I got almost nothing out of him, I felt a little like some hitters have after a several hundred other appearances by Rivera. I even looked down at my microphone to make sure it wasn’t broken.”

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20.....orre-gala/

  25. LGY November 12th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Doreen,

    If the Yankees were to bring in a veteran catcher I would be happy with Zaun and I think its possible they get him. Because of his desire to play for a contender and missing most of last year he may fit into the budget.

    Zaun hits pretty well for a catcher. As a backup his stick would be an asset. I like Zaun. Good idea.

  26. blake November 12th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    I don’t think Jeter will have anything to do with what they will be willing to bid on Lee.. he’s going to cost a lot either way and im sure they know that going in. The Yankees can outbid the Rangers if they want to so it will just come down to whether they want to or not..

  27. hardwired7 November 12th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    I’m already jonesing to see the Yanks’ offense w/Montero’s live bat replacing Cervelli’s rolled-up newspaper.

    now if everyone can just stay healthy…

  28. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Zaun wasn’t ever much of a defensive catcher….zero arm. Not sure there’s really much in the way of backup catchers out there that are solid on defense and can hit a bit. Perhaps try prying Jake Fox away from Baltimore to back up at a few spots and hit off of the bench.

  29. rb from LI November 12th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    sorry pat, didn’t realized you already posted the link.

  30. Doreen November 12th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    How much time has Montero played at 1B? Just curious.

    I was looking up Posey/Molina last night and I noticed that for his first month, Posey played 1B. That obviously couldn’t happen with Tex being our first base fixture, but it did get me curious. If Montero won the spot and they wanted to ease him into FT duties, I guess he’d DH, but how possible would it be for him to spell Tex every now and again?

  31. Wave Your Hat November 12th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    “The Yankees can outbid the Rangers if they want to so it will just come down to whether they want to or not..”

    The Yanks may decide there’s a price they aren’t willing to pay. However, if they don’t sign Lee, I could see the Yanks not making the post-season – and I could certainly see them not winning the WS.

    So, I was just wondering how that would play if Jeter gets a huge contract.

  32. West Coast Yankee Fan November 12th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Montero is young and has caught for a while I don’t think conditioning is going to be a problem with him.

    As long as he is not not a huge liability defensively which I don’t think he will be, (it would be hard to be worse than Posada and Cervelli), and if he hits as he is expected to – he’ll play a great deal IMO.

    Let’s say he hits .350 in April with 4 home runs. You going to sit him? No way.

  33. Doreen November 12th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I only ask about Zaun because, as I said, I remember for a couple of years here people were wanting him for a backup but at the time, Zaun was a guy who wanted to catch as FT as he could get. So, naturally, I thought he must have had some defensive abilities, if people wanted him so badly. I also thought I remembered he was good with a pitching staff.

  34. blake November 12th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    If the Rangers don’t bring back Molina they could look into him…

  35. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Jose Gil is more advanced defensively than Romine is right now, and he can hit. Have to think that if he stays, he’ll open in Trenton, but that depends on whether Rivera leaves or not. Pilittere will most likely move on or retire. That thins out the possible backup catchers in the system.

  36. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Doreen November 12th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    How much time has Montero played at 1B? Just curious.

    ——————————————–

    If I’m reading this correctly, none. He may have worked out there, or in the outfield.

    http://www.baseball-reference......nter001jes

  37. blake November 12th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Wave,

    Probably not well, but if Lee isn’t a Yankee then I dont think jeter will have had anything to do with it. I just can’t see them letting him get away unless Lee just makes a decision to stay in Texas…..if he does I firmly believe the Yankees will make him take less money to do so.

  38. Rich in NJ November 12th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Is Cervelli really that out of touch?

  39. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Doreen, Zaun might have done the job a couple of years ago, but, broken bones, age and surgeries have really taken it’s toll.

  40. Giuseppe Franco November 12th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    # AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    GF, you could be right, but 60 games seems kinda low to me. If he’s with the Yankees all or most of the season, and catches only 1/3 of the games, then I would think he’s going to see some time at DH.

    ————-

    Now I didn’t say that Montero would only play in 60 games. My point was that I’d be happy if he was behind the plate for 60 games.

    They will most definitely try to keep his bat in the lineup when he’s not catching, so I suspect he’s going to get quite few starts as the DH as well.

    Asking a kid who has never played in the bigs to catch 100-110 games in his rookie season is asking quite a bit.

  41. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Montero has never played another position in a game. Never really warmed up or practiced at another spot unless it was the last couple of years. He’s best suited for a small corner outfield like left in Boston or right in NY and Baltimore.

  42. Joe from Long Island November 12th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Doreen – I’m with you, I think that if you wait for a perfect world in order to get Montero into the lineup, then you’re never going to do it. Unless he’s awful behind the plate, I play him. Guys are working on developing their game all the time, so he needn’t be a finished product before he gets put into the lineup.

    He’s their number one prospect, who they’ve been working on for, what, 4-5 years – what has all that work, time and effort been spent on if you don’t use him?

    I think Cash nailed it. Guys have to earn what they get, but they have all the talent necessary, and very good coaching in Pena, Girardi, and Wynegar. They just have to do it.

    And as far as getting a veteran C for a “break glass in case of emergency” – like Cash said, if something comes up and makes sense, yeah. If not, well, that’s why you have Jorge come into camp in shape to catch.

    Is that plan absolutely fool-proof? No plan ever is. Things can always go wrong. But, it’s not bad, and everyone short of the Twins and Joe Mauer would kill to have it.

  43. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Suppose the Yanks sign Jeter for, say, 4 years/$60MM, but then the Rangers outbid the Yanks for Lee.

    How would everyone feel about that?

    Well how would you feel if a meteor crashes into the Earth tomorrow and destroys all life on the planet? Pretty bad huh? Both hypothetical scenarios are equally unlikely to occur.

  44. upstate kate November 12th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Rich
    I read that to be what Cashman is saying, not what Cervelli said

  45. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    The only reason that Lee doesn’t come to NY is because he doesn’t want to. It won’t be the money NY offers. NY has never lost a player because of money…only because they didn’t want them that much…..including Beltran.

  46. Doreen November 12th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    AldotheAppache -

    Boy, looking at the record from Baseball Reference, one thing strikes me really, really hard – Jesus Montero is a baby!!! :lol:

  47. murphydog November 12th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    The bottom line is really that whatever way it works out, the Yankees are OK at catcher. Not saying they are “Joe Mauer” OK, but they are OK and likely to improve in the near future. More worried about the rotation: will AJ rebound, Pettitte return, Lee sign? Hate to think of the rotation being CC, Phil and AJ with Nova the 4th stater. Then it really doesn’t matter who catches them.

  48. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Doreen November 12th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    AldotheAppache -

    Boy, looking at the record from Baseball Reference, one thing strikes me really, really hard – Jesus Montero is a baby!!!

    ——————————————–

    Exactly! The kid’s not even legal till the end of the month!

  49. blake November 12th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Speaking of catchers…..if you could have one from now forward, which do you take? Mauer or Posey? I know Mauer is great and all but he did hit 9 homers last year….Posey hit 18 in 30 less games as a rookie.

  50. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Baltimore is tickled black and orange over Wieters and he’s not shown to be anything overly special yet. Montero only needs to be that in his first year.

  51. Nick in SF November 12th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    It would be unfortunate if a meteor crashed into the earth and destroyed all human life tomorrow but I don’t know if any of us would have any ex post facto feelings about it.

    If there was advance warning then I might spend a few seconds wishing I’d eaten more tacos and lobster rolls. Regret can be a waste of time, however, so perhaps I would race out to get a taco and/or a lobster roll.

    Absent this meteor strike, I’m not worried that the marginal dollars on the Jeter contract will impact the offer to Cliff Lee.

  52. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    murphydog November 12th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    The bottom line is really that whatever way it works out, the Yankees are OK at catcher.

    ———————————————————–

    Totally agree, though I’d like them to have a better option than Cervelli (unless Cervelli shows dramatic improvement on both sides of the plate).

  53. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    blake November 12th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    Speaking of catchers…..if you could have one from now forward, which do you take? Mauer or Posey? I know Mauer is great and all but he did hit 9 homers last year….Posey hit 18 in 30 less games as a rookie.

    ——————————————

    Great question!

    Though what I saw of Posey was limited to the post season, I loved his throws to second. Mauer’s one of the best bats in baseball, regardless of position, but I’d take Posey based on defense.

    It’s another one of those debates where there can be no losers.

  54. blake November 12th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    I think it depends on which Mauer we get from now on. If its the 2009 version then its Mauer but that kind of power may prove to be an outlier….if so, Posey might be the way to go.

  55. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    It’s a good thing that Wieters and Mauer are Yogi Berra size….perfect size for catchers instead being overgrown giants like Montero.

  56. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    One thing about Montero that impresses besides the bat is his willingness and ability to block the plate on runners. Haven’t seen many that came out on the good end of those collisions.

  57. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    GB7, he IS a big kid, isn’t he? Do you believe he’ll ‘outgrow’ the position?

  58. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    It would be unfortunate if a meteor crashed into the earth and destroyed all human life tomorrow but I don’t know if any of us would have any ex post facto feelings about it.

    I am assuming an afterlife

    To the Posey vs Mauer question, I take Mauer without a doubt.

  59. Nick in SF November 12th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    If we’re still debating Jeter’s contract in this afterlife scenario, I’m going to assume we didn’t make it to heaven, but I guess there could be worse fates.

  60. blake November 12th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Patrick,

    Even if he settles into being a 10-15 homer guy? Also Posey is 4 years younger.

  61. Wave Your Hat November 12th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Guess nobody is worried the Yanks won’t get Lee. I feel a lot better now that I know he’s going to be a Yank.

  62. Tom in N.J. November 12th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    There’d be a blog in the afterlife?

  63. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Even if he settles into being a 10-15 homer guy? Also Posey is 4 years younger.

    blake,

    You asked who I would take right now. Right now the answer is Mauer. If Posey becomes a 35 HR guy that hits 320 and plays great defense while Mauer never hits more than 10 HR, we can talk. Until then it’s Mauer without question.

  64. upstate kate November 12th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    WYH
    I think the Yankees will get Lee, but if they don’t, IMO it wont have anything to do w/ Jeter’s contract.

  65. Wave Your Hat November 12th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    If there’s an afterlife, presumably we’ll all either be so relieved that the Earth being destroyed won’t worry us too much, or else we’ll have bigger things to worry about.

  66. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    WYH,

    Honestly I’m not worried at all. I think Lee wants to be a Yankee and I know the Yankees desperately want him. There is no way in hell any team outbids the Yanks, it’s just not even possible.

  67. Nick in SF November 12th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Why worry that the Yankees won’t get Lee? If he signs somewhere else, then worry. In the meantime, enjoy a taco and/or a lobster roll.

    And especially don’t fret that Jeter’s bloated contract will be the culprit.

  68. Mike Ri November 12th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    I just had a taco ! lol

  69. RSM November 12th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    “It would be unfortunate if a meteor crashed into the earth and destroyed all human life tomorrow but I don?t know if any of us would have any ex post facto feelings about it.
    If there was advance warning then I might spend a few seconds wishing I?d eaten more tacos and lobster rolls. Regret can be a waste of time, however, so perhaps I would race out to get a taco and/or a lobster roll.
    Absent this meteor strike, I?m not worried that the marginal dollars on the Jeter contract will impact the offer to Cliff Lee.”

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Is it strange that I found this post immensely entertaining?
    I may be overly tired.

  70. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Nick,

    Telling some folks on this blog not to worry is like telling me to stop losing money to you. It just isn’t going to happen.

  71. blake November 12th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Patrick,

    Fair enough…you obviously can’t go wrong picking Joe Mauer. Im.just not.sure the power we.saw in 09 from him is for real.

  72. Wave Your Hat November 12th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    I’ve eaten plenty of tacos, but perhaps I haven’t eaten as many lobster rolls as I could have. I’ll have to plan a trip to Maine or something. If the Yanks don’t sign Lee, I’ll have some free time in October.

  73. DaSaint007 November 12th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    I can’t believe that some folks actually think that Jeter won’t resign. Both he and Rivera are locks. It’s Pettitte that’s iffy, and I think he’ll resign as well.

    How many good catchers are there in baseball right now anyway? There’s only 1 Mauer. Sure Posey’s good, but he’s a rookie. Wieters? Great, that’s 3 names. Point is, there aren’t a lot of good defensive AND offensive catchers in baseball. VMart is better offensively not defensively, and he’s much sought after.

    Montero doesn’t have to be the best, neither does Romine or the others. They just have to be good enough to call a good game, be defensively above average, and hit better than .275 to make me happy. Anything above that is gravy.

  74. Nick in SF November 12th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    I would like to bet that you’re wrong about that Patrick, but I’m afraid that would create a paradox.

  75. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Patrick,

    Fair enough…you obviously can’t go wrong picking Joe Mauer. Im.just not.sure the power we.saw in 09 from him is for real.

    I’m not sure it’s real either. I’m basing my choice more on Mauer’s defense, average and OBP. And the fact that he’s been a star in this league for awhile whereas Posey just finished his rookie year.

  76. Rob_NY November 12th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Nick in SF November 12th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    It would be unfortunate if a meteor crashed into the earth…

    ———————-

    I’m not saying the meteor won’t be good at crashing into the earth I just don’t have a lot of confidence in it. Maybe we can let it split time with a more established heavenly body, the Hale Bopp comet maybe, so expectations that it would destroy the earth in its first try aren’t too high.

  77. pat November 12th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    “There?d be a blog in the afterlife?”

    The one in heaven has an ignore and edit feature. :smile:

  78. upstate kate November 12th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    RSM
    I always find Nick’s posts entertaining, so I don’t think that is strange at all.

  79. LGY November 12th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    “How many good catchers are there in baseball right now anyway? There’s only 1 Mauer.”

    ————————–

    Brian McCann

  80. LGY November 12th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    I think cost differential has to weight heavily in this discussion between Mauer and Posey.

    Mauer is signed for $23 million annually through 2018. That’s a lot of years and a lot of dough.

  81. Nick in SF November 12th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Worried that the meteor hasn’t established its secondary destructive powers? Tired of reading what the mediots write about the meteor? Sick of ESPNNewYork’s anti-meteor bias?

    Me too.

  82. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Catchers in MLB:

    1. Mauer
    2. Posey
    3. McCann

  83. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Carlos Santana soon to be added to the list

  84. upstate kate November 12th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    LOL Pat and Rob…everyone is a comedian today :)

  85. DaSaint007 November 12th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Look at that…2 good catchers – out of 30.

  86. Bronx Jeers November 12th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    “If there was advance warning then I might spend a few seconds wishing I’d eaten more tacos and lobster rolls. Regret can be a waste of time, however, so perhaps I would race out to get a taco and/or a lobster roll. ”

    This is exactly why I like to keep a couple of frozen lobster tails in my freezer.

    Also, there is a small chance that the aforementioned meteor arrives on a major Christian holiday which could result in a scenario that I like to call “taco-lockout”.

  87. DaSaint007 November 12th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    We’re up to 3…that’s top 10% right there.

  88. Nick in SF November 12th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Lobster trolls would an afterlife negative.

  89. Tom in N.J. November 12th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Geovany Soto

  90. blake November 12th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    “The Yankees are interested in John Buck, but the catcher could likely command a two-year deal (possibly from the Red Sox) and it seems unlikely that the Yankees would offer more than a one-year contract.”

    From Buster.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

  91. Niblick November 12th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    The idea of a spring training competition is really stupid. Cashman has some really stupid ideas, and says some really stupid things, but I think this takes the cake. Decisions on players (especially young ones) shoudn’t be made on the basis of performance in spring training or in September. Cashman is truly a .500 GM. Without the Steinbrenners’ bucks, he’d be flipping burgers for Mickey D’s now.

  92. Wave Your Hat November 12th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    I still feel like the chances of the Yanks not signing Lee are higher than the chances of a meteor destroying Earth before the season starts. I don’t know why I think that, since I really have no way to intelligently assess the likelihood of either, but I do.

    Does that make me a worrier? Betsy, what do you think? :)

  93. kd November 12th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    in a 5 or 6 year deal structure, the yankees sign lee. hands down.

    if the nationals or the rangers come in and offer 8/200 then you tip your hat and walk away. the nats may have offered 10 years for tex two years ago. they seem willing to spend.

    bottom line, unless it’s something ridiculous, cliff lee is in pinstripes

  94. blake November 12th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Mauer’s first season (age 22, 131 games)

    .294, .783, 9 HR’s, 55 RBI.

    Posey’s first season (age 23, 108 games)

    .305, .862, 18 HR’s, 67 RBI.

    I think Joe Mauer is great but …..in 6 seasons Mauer has only had double digits HR’s twice…..Jeter has done it in 15 straight.

  95. joeman November 12th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    neither Jeter or Mo will take per year pay cuts that they made in 10

  96. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Wave, I agree……….this division is brutal. The O’s will be improved as well……….

  97. G. Love November 12th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    The only competition going on this spring for catcher is Montero with himself.

    If he shows up in shape and ready to rake, the job is his with Jorge and Cervelli (or possibly Austin if he outplays Cervelli) sharing the load.

    I imagine if Andy resignes, Jorge will be his personal catcher since Jorge defensive shortcomings are negated by Andy’s pickoff move.

    When Andy pitches, Jorge will catch and Arod or Jeter will DH.

    That said, I wouldn’t be stunned to see Cashman bring in a low cost Jose Molina type to camp just in case, but I think Jesus will be counted on to start a lot more games than some of you think.

  98. murphydog November 12th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    I don’t have frozen lobster tails or tacos in my freezer in case of a meteor-strike-fade-to-black, it’s-the- end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it (and I feel fine). In that event, there’s gonna be no time for solid food, just a shot and a beer at best. That’s why I keep a secret stash of Guinness and some Jameson’s for emergencies. Unfortunately I have emergencies every weekend, so thanks for reminding me. Note to self: liquor store and beer distributor on the way home today.

  99. blake November 12th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    “I imagine if Andy resignes, Jorge will be his personal catcher since Jorge defensive shortcomings are negated by Andy’s pickoff move. ”

    I agree. That makes the most sense. Posada can catch Andy to keep him sharp and give the other catchers a day off with the rest being filled by Montero/Cervelli/FA catcher.

  100. Yankee Trader November 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Blake-
    You might find this article interesting-”Are Tall Catchers Doomed To Failure?”

    http://cross-scouting.blogspot.....chive.html

  101. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Blake,

    We both know it’s not all about HR. Mauer is all about BA and OBP. Add in his defense and he’s easily the best catcher in the league. Posey might be one day but for now Mauer is king.

    Also Soto doesn’t make my list of really good catchers. He had one good year, then a terrible year and in 2010 he was good but didn’t play a full season.

  102. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Wave, no – that makes you paranoid, lol. I can predict that a meteor will NOT destroy earth before the season starts because if it were that close right now, we’d have heard about it. You can start worrying about it, though, because at some point the Earth is going to die off – either via meteor or because the sun burned out or because, like in the Twilight Zone episode, the Earth moved away from/too close to the sun. Possibly we will blow up the earth via nuclear weapons………….like in another TZ episode. Gee, when I think about this, the Yankees 2011 season seems rather unimportant, lol

  103. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    I’m fine with Montero catching as long as Jorge shares the load………..though I think Jorge should catch Phil.

  104. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Given that Montero showed up in camp 30 lbs overweight last year, he needs to show that he’s serious about this. That’s inexcusable…….He also had immaturity issues at AAA last year as described by Donnie Collins, who covers Scranton.

  105. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    If the world blows up and we survive, there’s always the Twinkie factory in Natick (of course if no one is a Family Guy fan, then that joke just bombed)

  106. blake November 12th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Trader,

    Yea I don’t think his size is much of a factor either. I’d expect him to be good behind the plate for several more years if his health holds up.

    Patrick,

    True, I just wonder if the Twins would have given him that same contract if they knew he would hit 9 HR’s this season….maybe they would, I don’t know? Again not trying to put Joe down because I’ll agree with you that he’s the best there is right now. Just think the Twins probably thought 2009 was going to be the norm going forward.

  107. Wave Your Hat November 12th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    I don’t know, to me Jeter getting a big contract and Lee going to Texas would seem like a TZ episode, where the Yanks keep playing the same lineup over and over, as they get older and older, and then there would be some twist which if I could think of I could actually get a job as a screenwriter.

  108. Yankee Trader November 12th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    I think whomever draws the short straw should have to catch The Pieman, and that includes throwing Girardi and Pena in the mix! :)

  109. joeman November 12th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    # Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Given that Montero showed up in camp 30 lbs overweight last year, he needs to show that he’s serious about this. That’s inexcusable…….He also had immaturity issues at AAA last year as described by Donnie Collins, who covers Scranton.
    ——————————————————————-

    joba left the last game of the season 30 lbs overweight

  110. Bronx Jeers November 12th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    What if the meteor strike is not a “few minutes to impact” situation? I recall from the movie “Armageddon” that there was at least a several week notice and plans were made to try and rescue the earth.

    In this situation do you think the Yankees should still pursue Cliff Lee?

    I say definitely.

  111. West Coast Yankee Fan November 12th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Montero has worked his way up through the minor leagues and the Yankees have been more patient and protective than most teams would have been. It’s time to let him .

    This isn’t quantum physics it’s baseball. Hit, run, catch, throw. Montero will do just fine.

  112. Tom in N.J. November 12th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    What exactly are these had immaturity issues Montero has?

  113. West Coast Yankee Fan November 12th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    ….It’s time to let him loose.

  114. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Joe, and I’ve commented that Joba is fat and WAY out of shape. He could lose a lot of weight because he looks like the Michelin Man……………

  115. Joe from Long Island November 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    murphydog – The Jameson’s sounds like good emergency stock, but there’s only so much Guinness I can take.

    Single malt Scotch and some good red is more my take.

  116. JEKIKASO November 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan November 12th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    ….It’s time to let him loose.
    *******************************

    I LOVE IT: Jesus on the loose!!

  117. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Wave, I think Cash said that they Yanks were going to have to pay Jeter (and Mo) as if they were being pursued by other teams – so that nightmare scenario might play out, lol. Seriously, I think Hal and Cash have made it clear over the last couple of years that players (whether their own or FAs) are not going to walk all over this team…………I’m trying to think of a TZ-ish twist, now.

  118. Nick in SF November 12th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Yes, you always want to have the best possible roster just in case Bruce Willis is able to rescue the earth from the meteor.

    Stop pursuing a top free agent because the earth is only probably going to be destroyed?

    That would be a rookie GM move; Cashman would be laughing and I suspect Kristen Lee would be unimpressed by the meteor.

  119. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Tom, he didn’t run out a ball and was benched for a few days…..that’s one incident I recall. Donnie Collins wrote an article around the ASB (I think) about Montero being immature.

  120. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    It’s a good thing that Wieters and Mauer are Yogi Berra size….perfect size for catchers instead being overgrown giants like Montero.
    —————————————–
    Mauer is 6’5″ and 230 lbs.

  121. Joe from Long Island November 12th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Would that all Yankee prospects be as mature as the Captain….

  122. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    you have to ask yourself: What would Brian Boitano do?

  123. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Betsy, I didn’t know that about Montero.

    Assuming it was last season … he IS only 20. Maybe it’s just semantics, but the benching (a good idea) might have been more of a message for him, than a sign of immaturity, given his age.

    JMO.

  124. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    GB7, he IS a big kid, isn’t he? Do you believe he’ll ‘outgrow’ the position?

    —————————————-
    Mauer is 6’5″ 230 lbs and Montero is 6’4″ 225 lbs.

  125. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Mauer is 6?5? and 230 lbs.

    GB7 is being sarcastic…

  126. pat November 12th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Cashman told Posada his days at catcher are numbered and told Jeter he needed to work on his defense a few years ago but he’s afraid to tell Joba to drop 20 lbs or lose playing time?

    If his weight or conditioning was an issue, that conversation would have taken place.

  127. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Aldo, that’s what I think, too……..but the coming to camp overweight is bothersome, so I hope he took Posada’s chat at ST to heart.

  128. West Coast Yankee Fan November 12th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    There is no issue with Montero’s conditioning or his maturity. Again, Cashman and his scouting and minor league staff have evaluated him for a long time now and they believe he is ready.

  129. Yankee Trader November 12th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Big AL-

    I believe GB was making a joke!

    Wieters, Mauer, Sandy Alomar Jr. all at 6’5″ are among the tallest catchers in MLB history. Piazza was 6″3″

  130. 108 stitches November 12th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    A few “light tower power” shots from the bat of Montero will quickly quiet the critics as to his standing as a Yankee.

  131. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Montero was benched about mid season, and came back with a much better attitude. Taking one incident, and trying to paint the player as immature is wrong. As Cashman stated last night, the top talent advisors have all told him Montero is ML ready. I’ll take that input over a small town sports writers opinion that most likely was written early last season.

  132. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Yankee Trader -

    I guess I’m still getting use to GB’s snark. You most likely correct, because he knows his baseball.

  133. Bronx Jeers November 12th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    I think we also have to examine the possibility that the meteor only delivers a glancing blow and we find ourselves in a post-apocalyptic world. Food could be scarce. Large people may have difficulty finding the nutrients necessary to thrive as a professional baseball player.

    I say they should trade Montero now rather than risk having a weak and lethargic catcher.

  134. Tom in N.J. November 12th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    He left a good impression on the Yankees in spring training:


    The Yankees were not only pleased at how quickly Montero melted to 230 pounds, but also at his passion for the process. General manager Brian Cashman said Montero was “a man on a mission.”

    Read more:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z156BXU3Ks

  135. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Olney doesn’t think the Yankees will go for a 6th year with Lee…….

  136. UnKnown November 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Does anyone know why Montero was not playing in the AZ fall league this year?
    Curious how that all works? Thanks.

  137. Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Of course he also thinks this could turn into a Zito-type contract, lol. Right – because they are the same pitchers.

  138. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    If the Yankees have a player that’s immature, and comes into ST over weight, that’s Joba. Far from being a rookie, Joba has yet to learn the importance of good conditioning, it’s about time management gave him a swift kick in the pants.

    If Joba comes into ST out of shape, I’d send him to SWB, and let him EARN his way back.

  139. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    UnKnown November 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    Does anyone know why Montero was not playing in the AZ fall league this year?
    Curious how that all works? Thanks.

    ————————————————–

    GB7 & SJ44 had some posts on this, something to do with where the players came from. I believe Montero is playing winter ball in South America.

  140. blake November 12th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    That may be a big reason why Montero isnt going to play in Venezuela this winter….Kung Fu Panda apparently packs on his extra lbs when he goes home as well.

  141. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    GB7, he IS a big kid, isn’t he? Do you believe he’ll ‘outgrow’ the position?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Aldo, steady work will keep the weight down and not likely to grow any taller. He’s a hard worker. and, yeah…he looks even bigger in person. he’s immovable. He may outgrow it, but, Fisk was 6’4″ and about 230 pounds and caught for 24 years.

  142. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    BIG AL, I wouldn’t let myself be guided by ANY sportwriter’s conclusions, big town or small. I just need them to report the facts.

    But if Montero didn’t run out a grounder, and got benched as a result, I think that’s GOOD news! Same goes for if he really did report to camp over his playing weight last year.

    To me, better that it happens now, while he’s still developing and learning. Plenty of managers and organizations look the other way for the more talented players, then you end up with a team like the Mets, or a guy like Hanley Ramirez.

  143. Patrick November 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Isn’t Joba out of minor league options now?

  144. UnKnown November 12th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Cool Thanks Al

  145. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Montero is playing in the Venezuelan Winter League.

  146. mick November 12th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    SJ44 had some posts on this
    ====================
    Has SJ left the building? permanently? anybody?

  147. GreenBeret7 November 12th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    The biggest reason for Montero being not quite in top condition is that he missed the last 6 weeks of 2009 and no winter ball. That’s more than 6 months where other than running, not a lot that he could do with broken bones in his hand/fingers.

  148. Tom in N.J. November 12th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Butch Wynegar seems to be forshadowing what Girardi is going to call Montero:

    “Monty was a joy to be around”

    :mad:

  149. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Patrick -

    Yes, I believe Joba is out of options. Perhaps I should have said, he should be sent to AZ. to go through conditioning, but, the Yankees should have made that suggestion at the end of this season. My guess is Joba’s sitting in some local bar at night throwing down a few with his buddies back home, and will report in worse shape come ST than last year, he simply does not get it. If you listen to his post game comments after he didn’t do well, you better understand my point.

  150. pat November 12th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    “Montero is playing in the Venezuelan Winter League.”

    The Trenton beat writer checked with Mark Newman yesterday and the Yankees decided he won’t be playing in Venezuela this winter.

  151. joeman November 12th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Betsy November 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Joe, and I’ve commented that Joba is fat and WAY out of shape. He could lose a lot of weight because he looks like the Michelin Man………

    ———————————————–
    see you do read my stuff

  152. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    GB7 -

    It’s my understanding Monty is not afraid to block the plate on plays at home. That’s what size gets you as well.

  153. AldotheApache November 12th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    GB7,

    Carlton Fisk, haven’t heard that name in a while … the catcher’s version of Nolan Ryan in longevity. At age 42, he catches in 116 games and hits .285 with 18 HR. The next year, at age 43, the average slipped a bit, but he still caught 106 games and hit another 18 HR.

  154. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    pat –

    That’s what was being reported on all the sites, that Montero was playing in the Venezuela Winter League. I wonder what happened, and when.

  155. Yanksgal07 November 12th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Ok ..as far as Joba’s weight….he is not WAY over weight. Calling him fat is ridiculous. Could he lose a few pounds?? Of course he could …but ..I’ve seen him in person (not in a Yankee uniform) and he’s not THAT heavy. I can’t understand people making statements when they truly have no idea what they are talking about. Of course it’s a blog and I guess that’s what the majority of the people do …make statements when they really have no clue.

    I appreciate many of the bloggers on here …my two faves are CB and Doreen who always think before they type. Both are intelligent and respectful but not afraid to give a TRUE opinion. CB knows his stuff while Doreen tries to be positive but not overly so as to affect good judgement. The negativity and nastiness by some bloggers is such a downer. It’s hard to believe some of them are even Yankee fans. Thankfully there are many with a good read tho’.

    Here’s to a SIZZLING hot stove for the Yankees and a great upcoming season (hard to believe ST is only about 3 months away).

    Go Yankees 2011 !!!!

  156. blake November 12th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    My guess is that the Yanks want him.closer.by so they can be sure he is doing and working on what they want him to be….

  157. West Coast Yankee Fan November 12th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    I thought Montero had that little injury at seasons end.

  158. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Sam -

    Do you know if Montero is playing winter ball, if so, where?

  159. Joe from Long Island November 12th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    BIG AL – I understand the frustration with Joba, but let’s not condemn him prematurely. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I have absolutely no idea what he’s doing this offseason. My guess is that the Yankees organization has made their point on his development as clear as possible. While not knowing for sure, I’m willing to bet that Cash had that same talk with Joba that he did with Cano (when he spoke the language of $$$).

    At this point, it’s up to Joba. He’s an adult, and he’s responsible for his life. As a Yankee fan, I certainly hope he’s doing the right thing. I think that’s all I can say. We’ll find out come ST.

  160. West Coast Yankee Fan November 12th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Any talk about Montero being out of shape doesn’t seem to be an issue.

    “Montero can be a star if he keeps himself motivated like he did last year, staying in shape, working hard, keeping his body toned — because he is a big boy, and he is prone to putting some weight on. I think he did a fantastic job of keeping his body fat down last season.”

    Butch Wynegar
    November 10th, 2010
    via Tyler Kepner

  161. West Coast Yankee Fan November 12th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    “I think he’ll come to spring training with fire in his eyes, he’ll be ready to go. He doesn’t want to come back to Scranton. He thinks he’s ready for the big leagues right now, and I have to agree with him.”

    Butch Wynegar
    November 10th, 2010

  162. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Joe -

    I hope you’re right, but, it’s my understanding Joba has been spoken to before, and he’s not gotten the mesage. I thought after he was dropped in the BP order, he responded well, by throwing better than he had. I love his talent, I just don’t feel he has yet to learn how to focus when on the mound, day in and day out. I hope he proves me wrong, I’d like nothing more than to post, “I was wrong about Joba”.

  163. BIG AL November 12th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    WCYF -

    Good post and info, that’s what you like to hear about a young man about to get his shot a the big dance.

  164. West Coast Yankee Fan November 12th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Thanks. I haven’t been this excited about seeing a player come up in a long time. If his bat is as good as the evaluation people seem to think. Look out.


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