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Could Crawford be another Tex?

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Nov 13, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Rays Braves BaseballTwo years ago, the Yankees were definitely NOT in on Mark Teixeira. Definitely not. They wanted pitching, pitching, pitching and after signing CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett, Brian Cashman was supposed to be done.

Except he wasn’t. He swooped in, completed a recruitment that he’d started much earlier in the winter and landed Teixeira, snagging him away from the Red Sox who thought – once again – they were on the verge of landing a big time player only to see him head to New York.

Could the same thing happen with Carl Crawford?

Although the Yankees are (again) focusing on pitching winter, they have reached out to Crawford’s agent. Most people think Crawford will end up in either Anaheim or – and here we go again – Boston, and I have to admit I think Anaheim, in particular, is a great fit. The Angels have a history of paying top dollar for outfielders and I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them pull off a big-money deal with Crawford pretty quickly. But I also wouldn’t be shocked if the Yankees were in play for Crawford, too.

Look, we all know that Crawford is a great player. The question is, do the Yankees need him to put themselves in position to the World Series? I don’t think so. I’ll be the first to admit that I was wrong about Brett Gardner before last season, saying I didn’t believe he was going to be a solid everyday outfielder; obviously I was way off on that.

And while Crawford is absolutely a better player than Gardner, I’m not so sure he’s $18-20 million better. The Yankees have a lot of guys on their team who are going to be overpaid – starting with Derek Jeter, who will surely be overpaid whatever contract he signs. Gardner, for what he gives, is one of those players that is underpaid (Phil Hughes is another). Having players like is an important offset for the big-money stars. In my opinion, replacing Gardner with Crawford is an upgrade but not one that’s going to be worth the price.

Could it happen? I don’t think it’s likely. But as we learned with Teixeira, when it comes to the Yankees you can never say never.

* That’s an AP shot of Crawford.

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152 Responses to “Could Crawford be another Tex?”

  1. blake November 13th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Yea, I think it may seem like a similar situation to Teixera but in reality its.really not. The need for Tex far outweighed the need for.Crawford and the Yanks had a lot more money coming off the books 2 years ago. I wouldn’t call it impossible that the Yankees sign him but its probably unlikely unless……..they miss on Lee and are forced to trade one of their outfielders in a package for a pitcher. In that event they could sign Crawford as the replacement.

  2. den November 13th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    That’s an interesting post by Sam. I guess its true to never say never since we’re talking about the Yankees. But it sounded like sth Crawford’s agent will say. :p that said, enjoyed reading the post.

  3. Fran the original November 13th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    blake,

    I was thinking the same thing. I see Crawford as part of Plan B that Cashman was talking about if the Yanks don’t get Lee.

  4. AldotheApache November 13th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Blake,

    Agree with your take, except that I don’t think ANY corner OFer playing today is worth that kind of money, including Matt Holliday.

    I would be very, very surprised if the Yankees were to even seriously pursue Crawford.

  5. blake November 13th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Fran,

    If Lee stays in Texas and Andy retires then they may have to move an outfielder to get a pitcher….they could then sign Crawford if he’s still available, but that’s why it would benefit the Yankees to get a decision on Lee ASAP, that way more options will be available if that doesn’t work out.

  6. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    I don’t think they have the payroll space available.

  7. 108 stitches November 13th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Cliff Lee is priority #1 as is all pitching is for the Yankees. Carl Crawford will sign with the Angels who are still reeling because of being dethroned by Texas in the AL West for the 1st time in years. The Angels want to return to respectability again and Artie Moreno has the $$$.
    Boston can have Jayson Werth and all his strikeouts. Good luck to them in dealing with Scott Boras.

  8. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    btw, If they want to extend themselves financially, Soriano should be the target. There is a chance that the pen could be their biggest weakness next season.

  9. blake November 13th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Rich,

    If they don’t sign Lee and Andy retires then that’s about 35 million that would’ve been on the payroll that wont be. I don’t see Crawford being in any “plan A” situations but I could see them going after him if that doesn’t work out. I think Benoit is more likely than Soriano because he’s probably going to want to close.

  10. Ruby Tuesday November 13th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Where are the donuts ?

  11. Crawdaddy November 13th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Let’s remember that Soriano’s agent is Boras now. He’s going to sign a long-term deal and Boras is trying to get him more than 15M per season.

  12. pat November 13th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    “….they miss on Lee and are forced to trade one of their outfielders in a package for a pitcher. In that event they could sign Crawford as the replacement.”

    Agree.

  13. Fran the original November 13th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    blake,

    Lee really does affect everything the Yanks do this off-season. If Lee signs with the Yanks I think he will be the only FA signing besides of course Derek, Mo and maybe Andy.

  14. blake November 13th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Yea I don’t think Soriano will be a Yankee…..I do think the Angels could go after him in addition to Crawford and Beltre. They sign those 3 then they are very good again.

  15. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Boras clients should be a plus for the Yankees. I’ll believe that Soriano gets $15m when I see it.

  16. Ruby Tuesday November 13th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Bagels would work too. Yum !

  17. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    “Yea I don’t think Soriano will be a Yankee…”

    I don’t either because they don’t have the space, but my point is that if they are extending themselves, they need him more than Crawford.

  18. blake November 13th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Fran,

    I think he affects a lot….maybe even where Greinke ends up. If the Yankees do sign Lee then maybe Texas makes a big offer to KC to bring him on as a replacement.

  19. Crawdaddy November 13th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Believe what you want, but Boras is going to do what he can to maximize this next contract for Soriano and I don’t see the Yankees getting him in any scenario.

  20. blake November 13th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Rich,

    Yes, based on what they currently have and assuming they sign Lee….Soriano or maybe even Benoit or Downs may help them more than Crawford would. Their outfield is good….I don’t see them.changing it unless they are forced to.

  21. austinmac November 13th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Gardner’s second half scares me. I hope it was from his wrist, but I am concerned it is a larger problem. If he doesn’t hit more his walks will drop as pitchers will pound the zone.

    I know Crawford is a long shot, but I think the improvement is much more than others have stated.

    Color me, a never satisfied Yankee fan, but with the aging player’s production seeming to be on a decline younger offensive output will be needed. Other than Montero I don’t see that from the minors in the next few years.

  22. Ruby Tuesday November 13th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    What about the lox and cream cheese ?

  23. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    “Believe what you want, but Boras is going to do what he can to maximize this next contract for Soriano”

    Well yeah, but that doesn’t mean it will happen.

    “and I don’t see the Yankees getting him in any scenario.”

    That doesn’t mean it is the way to go.

    If probably doesn’t want to set up, but Rivera is at a precarious age, and without Wood, the rest of the pen is a huge question mark.

  24. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    blake

    Yes, I guess Downs is far more likely.

  25. blake November 13th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Gardner may regress, but I think he earned the right to prove to everyone that he wont….especially for what they are paying him. He will.have to make adjustments next year though because pitchers are going to cone right at him most likely….

  26. Crawdaddy November 13th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    It’s going to happen and somebody is going to pay Soriano more than the Yankees will be willing to do in any scenario.

  27. blake November 13th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    The Angels need an outfielder, a 3B, and a closer and have a pretty aggresssive owner that wants his division back

  28. PacoDooley November 13th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Not going to happen, and it is not equivalent to the Tex situation. The Yankees had no decent 1B option in their system and he was a young premier player. Crawford is not as elite a player as Tex (yes, he’s very talented, but Tex was arguably one of the 2 best 1B in the league) and outfielders are easier to come by than quality 1B options that can play both ways with his talent (GG and SS caliber). I also don’t see the same payroll flexibility. Tex, A-Rod, Jeter, CC are soaking up $100m on their own, and Granderson and Swish are making more. So I think that they definitely keep Gardner in LF and feel lucky to have him.

  29. pat November 13th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    “Yes, I guess Downs is far more likely.”

    It was reported Cashman is looking for a left reliever but not Downs because he would cost a draft pick.

  30. Ghost of Steinbrenner November 13th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Sign Crawford for left field,shop around Granderson and play Gardner in center!

  31. AldotheApache November 13th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Blake, you don’t think Arte Moreno might be thinking about replacing Lackey?

  32. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    “It’s going to happen and somebody is going to pay Soriano more than the Yankees will be willing to do in any scenario.”

    Again, it’s a mistake.

  33. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    “It was reported Cashman is looking for a left reliever but not Downs because he would cost a draft pick.”

    I didn’t see that, thanks.

    I’ll reserve judgment until I see what happens.

    My real concern is that Mo is getting increasingly fragile, especially if Lost is to be believed.

  34. SAS November 13th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Good morning all,

    I just don’t see Crawford on the Yankees. We have 3 good outfielders. It is not as though Crawford would add much power wise. He is a wonderful fielder and a good guy, but I think the Angels are going to make him an offer he can’t refuse.

    I think, hope Andy will be back for his Swan Song and Farewell Tour.

    Lee is in the driver’s seat as to where he wants to go. The Yankees may only want to wait so long to get him and then move on to Plan B before all the top free agents have bee swooped up.

  35. Crawdaddy November 13th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    To call it a mistake without knowing what other moves Cashman might make is premature, but of course, you’re the great Rich and your opinion is the gospel.

  36. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Craw

    You’re too kind.

  37. blake November 13th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    He already replaced Lackey by trading for Haren.

  38. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Off to Home Depot. Later.

  39. Crawdaddy November 13th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Thank God!

  40. OldYanksFan November 13th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    “Look, we all know that Crawford is a great player”
    No… He is a very good player, but not great.
    Last year, his walk year, he had by far his best season.
    So, by definition, anyone who gets him will grossly overpay.
    In his last 2 years, he has posted a very nice OPS+ of 125.
    Very nice. Almost as nice as Swishers 126.
    However, you can’t ignor CC’s career OPS of 107.

    I’m not so sure he’s $18-20 million better
    Is this really a question?
    CC is probably a 4.5 WAR player, so he will cost $4m/Win
    GGBG was a 4+ WAR player last year, so at $400k, he costs $100k/Win
    Even if he is really a 2 WAR player, he is still a tremendous bang for the buck.
    Now maybe if we didn’t have ARod signed for 7 years at a zillion dollars…
    and Teix signed for 6 years at a zillion dollars…
    and CC signed for 5 years at a zillion dollars…
    and Jeter (going to be) signed for 3 years at 1/2 a zillion dollars…
    and AJ signed for 3 years at 1/2 a zillion dollars…
    and EVERYBODY wants Cliff Lee, which will be 5 years at a zillion dollars…
    …. if we didn’t already have some many expensive commitments,
    Carl might be worth overpaying for.

    I mean, are the Yankees going to have long, expensive contracts on every starter?
    Where each one is doomed to give you a year or more of average production at a Kings ransom.
    Is this really the way to build a dynasty???

  41. Mell November 13th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Where this goes wrong is that the Yankees were anything but in on Teixeira. They were quiet about it, but they were always in.

  42. Mell November 13th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    *Yankees were NEVER anything but in….

  43. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    “Could Crawford be another Tex?”

    I suppose anythings possible, but I think Crawford will put up better numbers in the months of April, May, Sept. and Oct! :) Plus he can hit left-handed, while Tex’s batting average numbers from the left side have been declining.

    If Crawford is still on the board, the only “possible” scenario I see the Yankees making a play for him, is if Lee signs elsewhere, and Pettitte retires. They then could package one of Swisher or Granderson to trade for a starter.

  44. PRDENTIST November 13th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    If you remember, Tex was brought in to replace the bat in which the yankees were losing in Jason G. We are not losing that kind of production this year. We are losing pitching, which is what will take you to the WS!!

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    I think the general decision consensus in Yankeeland is they sign Lee, Pettitte comes back, Jeter and Mo re-up and they maybe pick up a reliever or two. That would basically be it aside from some bench tweaking.

    However, there are other decisions Cashman et all will be making this winter. Those bets revolve around whether you believe in a promising players future enough to keep them, or do you trade them while their value around baseball is high.

    Many people think the Yankees held on to Joba too long, that he should have been traded a year ago or more when his value was much higher. It was believed that he was a stud starter in the making, now he’s basically a middle reliever with a very uncertain future.

    I think the big bet this year for Cashman to make is Brett Gardner. Did his first half performance convince him that he’s a keeper? Or will he have an average year in 2011 and wind up as one of those guys you wish you had traded for value when you could have.

  46. OldYanksFan November 13th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    “….they miss on Lee and are forced to trade one of their outfielders in a package for a pitcher. In that event they could sign Crawford as the replacement.”

    A nice thought, but in reality, GGBG is just not good enough to be the centerpiece in a trade for a stud pitcher. That will cost us Montero + Romine/one of the killer B’s + C and maybe + D.
    It doesn’t make sense in include Gardner as C or D, and then have to spend $18m to replace him.

    When the Yankees got Teix, they had already signed CC and AJ.
    Spending $18m for a 2 Win upgrade of Crawford over Brett, will not help us get a pitcher as a salary dump or as a 2012 FA.

  47. David in Cal November 13th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    The Yanks may need 3 starting piptcfhers. That’s a worst case, assuming Andy retires and AJ pitches like he did in 2010. The Yanks better save some money to pick up 1 or 2 SPs in mid-seson salary dumps. They can’t afford another outfielder.

    Incidentally, if the Yanks were to get Crawford, maybe he should replace Granderson, rather than Gardner. According to Fangraphs, Granderson was worth 3.6 WAR last year while Brett was worth 5.4 WAR (in slightly more PAs)

  48. blake November 13th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    They may not be able to get a stud pitcher if they don’t sign Lee. I don’t know how it would unfold but the only way I can see the Yankees signing Crawford is if they are forced to include one of their outfielders in a trade……hopefully that wont happen. If they do that, im guessing it wont be because they wanted to. Signing Lee avoids a lot of problems….which is why I don’t see them letting him get away.

  49. OldYanksFan November 13th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    If the Yankees don’t get Lee, there has been some talk about Jorge de la Rosa, who has shown a lot of improvement over the last 3 years. However, while talented, he comes with a lot of warning signs.

    In reading a blog post about him, the author offered an interesting alternative.

    Someone who is also a talented underachiever.
    Someone, who compared Jorge de la Rosa:
    … has a far, far better career ERA+
    … has better BB/9 numbers
    … has better SO/9 numbers
    … has better HR/9 numbers
    … has a better career WHIP
    … who is young and has only pitched in the AL
    … who is cheap and available.

    Wow. I’m excited! So…. who is this guy?
    Ummm… someone with a funny name.
    Ummm… Moby Something….
    No no….
    Ummm….
    Jobie something…. ?
    Ummm…
    Joba something?

  50. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    I’ll be a happy camper if:

    The Yankees sign Lee, and Rivera, plus Jeter returns on a reasonable contract and puts up 2009 numbers.

    Pettitte returns for one more year.

    The team remains healthy throughout the year.

    Montero puts up Posey numbers and wows the crowd with his monster shots, ala the Mick.

    Kevin Long gets the offense back on track.

    The Yankees sign a set-up pitcher-one of the Rays-Benoit, Wheeler or Balfour, all of whom had good numbers against lefties.

    The Yankees have enough money left over to address the bench.

    Gardner becomes the best lead off batter in the game and leads in bunt singles and stolen bases.

    Is that too much to ask??

  51. Crawdaddy November 13th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    YES!

  52. AldotheApache November 13th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    OldYanksFan November 13th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    ———————————————-

    :lol:

    The grass is not always greener …

  53. Yankee Trader November 13th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Crawdaddy-

    I should have said, for $213,359,389 is that too much to ask??

    Where did I go wrong?LOL

  54. David in Cal November 13th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    Yankee Trader. You left out the part about the Yanks trading Ramiro Pena for Albert Pujols. :)

  55. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Is that too much to ask??

    Probably but I think you hit the nail on the head with what Yankee fans desire!

  56. blake November 13th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Y. Trader,

    Im guessing that’s pretty darn close to the Yankees wish list as well. We will see how.close to reality it becomes. I think Andy’s decision may revolve around Lee as well…..if he signs then if Im Andy I want a shot at one last ring and a post season rotation cotaining those three lefties would be very tough.

  57. SteveB November 13th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Hey OldYanksFan, I am an oldie too, a fan since 1965–

    I can see the Yankees going for Crawford, but ONLY if they are forced to trade Swisher as part of a blockbuster trade for a pitcher. It makes no sense to replace Gardner with Crawford, as you said, and I think Granderson is here to stay. I actually think Grandy is a big-time ballplayer who will show his real stuff next year.

    Think of the Yankees OF with Gardy, Grandy & Crawford— now THAT’S some serious coverage with great leather & throwing arms. That would be a great OF, but unconventional, as they are all lefties. You want a righty in there somewhere, ideally.

  58. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    I really do hope Pettitte comes back, we need him this year. If he wants to retire after 2011 thats fine because we’ll have Banuelos, Brackman and Betances nearly ready. But we NEED him for 2011. I’m not comfortable with Nova and Burnett at the back end of the rotation.

  59. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    No, Crawford will not be another Tex.

  60. Dylan November 13th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    I think that if The Boss was still around, we would probably sign both Lee and Crawford. Now? Its possible but I highly doubt it. Hal wants to win, but he is not going to spend recklessly in order to do so. I think that Cashman has a budget this year.

  61. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Patrick, we agree yet again……..though I know not completely because even with Lee, he and CC would be the only two pitchers without question marks on the staff. The thing is, the Yankees do not control the processes on Lee and Andy, so that’s kind of scary. They can offer the most $$ to Lee, but that doesn’t mean he’ll take it – or perhaps he’s going to demand more than they are willing to go for. As to Andy, at some point he’s going to retire and no matter how badly the Yanks want him back, he’s going to say no. It’s a shame with all we’ve invested in the staff that we still have to depend on Andy.

  62. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    “I actually think Grandy is a big-time ballplayer who will show his real stuff next year”.

    ****************

    I hope it happens but I am not sure what that belief is based on. Granderson has been in the league seven years now (six full years), has a lifetime BA of .268 and he hit .247 and .249 the past two seasons with an OBP under .327 both years.

  63. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Also Sam, sorry – I don’t think Crawford is a great player.

  64. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Crawford is not plan B because if we miss out on Lee, plans B through Z are pitching, pitching, pitching.

  65. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    I think Granderson is dynamic player and is going to have a huge year in 2011

  66. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    It’s a shame with all we’ve invested in the staff that we still have to depend on Andy.

    Well that’s mainly due to Burnett being terrible. It was a bad signing when it happened and its even worse now

  67. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Based on what?

  68. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Based on his second half and the changes KLong made to his swing.

  69. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Was his second half that good?

  70. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Patrick, I liked the signing and I’m not going to criticize it know…….but in any case, AJ is a huge cause of my concern- but not the only one by any means.

  71. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Now, not know………sheesh

  72. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    I’m not familiar with this Kuroda, but I know several on here like him. I’ve read on other boards that he’s about to re-sign with the Dodgers, so you can probably take him off your wish lists.

  73. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Was his second half that good?

    I should have said the last third of the season. He did a complete reformation of his swing in August and didn’t start 8/10 or 8/11.

    Quoting RAB, “Granderson hit .261/.356/.564 (.400 wOBA) after the changes, hitting more homers (14) than everyone in baseball not named Jose Bautista, Troy Tulowitzki, and Jay Bruce.”

    and against lefties, again from RAB, “Once K-Long did his magic, Grandy clubbed southpaws to the tune of .286/.375/.500 with six extra base hits (three doubles, three homers) in 64 plate appearances.”

  74. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Granderson Second Half 2010:

    July – .266/.314

    August – .225/.310

    September/Oct – .263/.362

    * Kevin Long worked on his swing mid-August I believe.

    ** Granderson had a very good power month in September/October with 9 Home Runs and 25 RBI’s

  75. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Betsy I understand you are concerned but in my opinion the only thing we have to worry about is Andy re-signing and A.J.

    Phil is primed for a huge year, CC is amazing as always, Lee will be a Yankee. Those are 3 amazing pitchers at the front end. If Andy comes back and stays healthy while A.J. bounces back from his terrible 2010 our rotation will be the best in the majors.

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    By the way. Granderson struck out more in September and October (27 times) than he did any other month.

    * September/October he played one more game than he did in August.

    I like Granderson and hope he does really well. I just think based on his record of the last six years that it’s very much up in the air what the future holds for him performance wise.

    One decent month is not nearly enough of a sample size to draw any conclusions IMO.

  77. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Patrick, I wouldn’t even say concerned with Phil as that’s way too strong – I simply have question marks. I’m just not willing to say he’s going to be a reliable starter for us. Even with Andy there would be questions – but as a #4, he’d be very good.

  78. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    WCYF,

    To be fair he played well for the better part of 2-3 months. And he never had Long reform his swing before, I think that plays into it a lot.

    Betsy,

    I’m not going to argue with you over Phil Hughes because that will bring nothing but bad things on this beautiful Saturday morning. I’ll just say, he already was a reliable starter this year. Going forward he has the potential to be so much more. Given that he was a solid starter in his first full year in the rotation I don’t think it’s crazy to project him to improve. But even if he doesn’t, he’s still reliable.

  79. 86w183 November 13th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    The only way I see the Yanks getting in on Crawford would be if they used Granderson in a trade and move Gardner to CF. That would improve the OF defense in two positions and add speed to the lineup… not a bad pair of benefits.

    No interest in Kuroda… mediocre NL pitchers become batting practice in the AL East.

    No matter what they do pitching wise theYanks will still need AJ to pitch at least as well as he did in 2009.

    Pettite is really the key to what the Yanks do since signing Lee will be a priority no matter what. If Andy retires they can sign Lee and make one other significant acquisition. If Andy returns and they sign Lee the rest of the moves will be pretty minimal.

    That is assuming Hal remains committed to keeping the total payroll relatively flat.

  80. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Patrick, I don’t want to argue either, lol……………

    I wish I was confident in AJ improving to the point of 2009, but it’s a wait and see game. I hope they hire a pitching coach soon………….

  81. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    AJ was pretty bad in 2009 too :(

  82. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    WCYF, To be fair he played well for the better part of 2-3 months. And he never had Long reform his swing before, I think that plays into it a lot.

    **************

    Patrick – Granderson hit .225 with a .310 OBP in August. That’s awful. He had one good month in September.

    Hope you are right about the future. I have to see it for more than a month.

  83. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Patrick, I wouldn’t say he was bad………but he wasn’t particularly good :(
    He still won the biggest game of the year, though.

    Well, I got another call that would have told me to stay off the blog…………had I taken the phone call. Roger from Manhasset? Time to call the police.

  84. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    WCYF,

    Read my post about what Granderson did after Long re-made his swing. The difference in performance is pretty significant.

    Making arbitrary endpoints like “the month of August” tells us next to nothing. I feel more comfortable looking at his stats pre swing change vs post swing change.

  85. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Patrick, I wouldn’t say he was bad………but he wasn’t particularly good
    He still won the biggest game of the year, though.

    Yeah you’re right.

    What do you mean you got a call that tells you to stay off the blog? PEople are calling you now?

  86. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    A SP with 18 wins is not reliable and is a ? mark! Wow, that’s a problem 29 other teams would love to have.

  87. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Patrick – I read what you wrote and .261/.356 is not anywhere near great to me. The 14 home runs is excellent, but he has always been a home run hitter. He struck out just as much as he always has in August/September.

    The swing tweak happened mid-August. That is 1.5 months before the season ended. Lots of players have hot streaks. That doesn’t mean it will continue. I hope it does but I need to see it in 2011.

  88. GreenBeret7 November 13th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:05 am
    It’s a shame with all we’ve invested in the staff that we still have to depend on Andy.

    Well that’s mainly due to Burnett being terrible. It was a bad signing when it happened and its even worse now

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Burnett has nothing to do with it. How about because Andy Pettitte is still one of the top 5 or 6 best left handed starters in baseball.

  89. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    I agree with WCYF, Granderson did have a good last third of the season, but, his history to this point only makes him a fair OF, not a great player by any means.

  90. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    A SP with 18 wins is not reliable and is a ? mark! Wow, that’s a problem 29 other teams would love to have.

    *********

    Major common ground here. 18-8 with a 4.19 ERA for a number 5 starter in the AL East? Are you kidding me? That is beyond great.

  91. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Agreed!

  92. joeman November 13th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    would really like to have Crawford here but it just doesn’t seem it will work, someone in that OF would have to go & the money factor if Lee,Jeter,Mo & Andy are all signed would be up close to $250 mil

  93. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    WCYF,

    You can’t just look at avg/obp, that’s absurd. Granderson is a power hitter, you are ignoring one of the main aspects of his game. A .920 OPS from your CF who also happens to be a really good fielder is insanely good.

    So Granderson just so happened to go on a hot streak right after missing two games where Kevin Long completely re-made his swing? Seems like more than a coincidence to me. If Granderson had done this on his own without the drastic changes Long made I’d agree with you. But the fact remains, he got hot right after Long broke his swing down

  94. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    GB7 -

    Good morning. Feeling better today?

  95. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Regarding Crawford, funny how things change. The last couple of years counting down to Crawford’s free agency, it was almost a foregone conclusion that h would become a Yankee in 2011.

  96. 86w183 November 13th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Burnett made 33 starts, pitched 207 innings and had a 4.04 ERA in 2009.

    I’ll take that in 2011 no questions asked.

  97. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Burnett has nothing to do with it. How about because Andy Pettitte is still one of the top 5 or 6 best left handed starters in baseball.

    Yeah sure but we are talking about the money the Yankees have invested in the rotation and the fact that even with all the money piled into Sabathia, Burnett and now probably Lee’s bank accounts, we still need Andy really badly to make the rotation good. And that’s mainly because the money spent on Burnett is (to this point), somewhat of a waste.

  98. joeman November 13th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    if Lee sign’s elsewhere & Andy retires they are in big trouble, forget about the kid catcher in the majors next season with this team he would be traded for a SP

  99. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    WCYF,

    Only by some. I was never in favor of signing Crawford to a big deal.

  100. randy l. November 13th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    carl crawford?
    no.
    pass.

  101. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Patrick, a couple of months ago some guy named “Steve” called from supposedly a Men’s Wearhouse and told me to stay off the blog………he obviously had gotten my last name and called my parents’ house. I reported it to the police, but they needed more evidence of harrassment before they did anything………… It’s the same jerk that’s been posting my full name here. Now today I get a call from “Roger” in Manhasset.. I didn’t pick up the phone, but I don’t know a Roger and Manhasset and Oceanside are not far away (Oceanside is where the Men’s Wearhous supposedly was). It turns out that “Steve” called from his computer and made it seem as if the call came from Men’s Wearhouse. Trish had had the same thing happen to her.

  102. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    WCYF, You can’t just look at avg/obp, that’s absurd. Granderson is a power hitter, you are ignoring one of the main aspects of his game. A .920 OPS from your CF who also happens to be a really good fielder is insanely good.

    So Granderson just so happened to go on a hot streak right after missing two games where Kevin Long completely re-made his swing? Seems like more than a coincidence to me. If Granderson had done this on his own without the drastic changes Long made I’d agree with you. But the fact remains, he got hot right after Long broke his swing down.

    ***************

    I’m not disagreeing with much of what you said. My main point is that a month and a half is not even close to an adequate body of work to draw any conclusions.

    By the way, if you listen to what Granderson said, there were no “drastic changes” to his swing as you put it. Here are his own words:

    “I wouldn’t necessarily call it big changes, it’s just trying to simplify everything. It’s not as drastic as it seems.”

  103. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    WC, then you haven’t read any of my posts about Phil…………….but, there’s no point in me repeating my points since the discussion will undoubtedly devolve into insults and I won’t deal with that.

  104. joeman November 13th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    # Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Patrick, a couple of months ago some guy named “Steve” called from supposedly a Men’s Wearhouse and told me to stay off the blog………he obviously had gotten my last name and called my parents’ house. I reported it to the police, but they needed more evidence of harrassment before they did anything………… It’s the same jerk that’s been posting my full name here. Now today I get a call from “Roger” in Manhasset.. I didn’t pick up the phone, but I don’t know a Roger and Manhasset and Oceanside are not far away (Oceanside is where the Men’s Wearhous supposedly was). It turns out that “Steve” called from his computer and made it seem as if the call came from Men’s Wearhouse. Trish had had the same thing happen to her.
    ———————————————–

    how does this happen, where does this info come from

  105. 86w183 November 13th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Betsy — That sounds kind of creepy.

  106. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    86, it was………..the same guy has done similar things to Patrick (worse, actually) and others. He’s clearly a computer whiz……..It’s scary to think what he can do with our personal info

  107. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Betsy that is beyond awful. I have had similar things happen to me in the past where my personal information was posted and subtle and not so subtle threats were made. Including posting where I live.

    I think it’s much more frightening to a woman than it is a man. I would love for them to show up at my door.

  108. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    WCYF,

    I agree that a month and a half isn’t enough to draw big conclusions but when it coincides with Kevin Long remaking his swing I give it more significance.

    And this is what Long said,

    Long called the project a “total reformation of the swing,” likening the changes to the ones he worked on with right fielder Nick Swisher.

  109. Ruby Tuesday November 13th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Say No to Carl Crawford .

    He is an average player — at best .

  110. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    WC, then you haven’t read any of my posts about Phil…………….but, there’s no point in me repeating my points since the discussion will undoubtedly devolve into insults and I won’t deal with that.

    ************

    I never insulted you. I have read your posts. I was agreeing with Al’s comments.

  111. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Betsy -

    I sympathize with you. Last Thursday night, between 3-4 AM I got two calls waking me, and by the statement made, it was from someone on this blog. I reported it, but, to this point little or nothing can be done.

  112. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    WC, if the guy tries it again (and I’m sure he will), he’s getting reported to the police……………I don’t even want to post too much about it here (how I feel, whatever) because I don’t want to encourage this “person” even further.

  113. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    WCYF,

    I agree that a month and a half isn’t enough to draw big conclusions but when it coincides with Kevin Long remaking his swing I give it more significance. And this is what Long said, Long called the project a “total reformation of the swing,” likening the changes to the ones he worked on with right fielder Nick Swisher.

    ***********

    I will take Granderson’s word for it. He knows what adjustments they were. Again, “I wouldn’t necessarily call it big changes, it’s just trying to simplify everything. It’s not as drastic as it seems.”

  114. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Betsy,

    I’m really sorry to hear that. I hope this stops and the person doing it realizes that it’s way wrong to harass people like this.

  115. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    WC no you haven’t, but I know how these conversations go………..not necessarily from you, but from others. I know I’m practically a minority of one and I don’t mind it. I’m sorry I feel I have to refrain from this discussion, but it’s really best for my own sanity. I am in no mood to have to defend myself. I’ve explained before why I am unwilling to write Phil down as an automatic next year…………

  116. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    WCYF,

    Then why would Long say it was a “total reformation of the swing,” ?

    Seems obvious to me that at the time, Granderson was trying to downplay the changes.

  117. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Patrick, I’m sure the same person was doing it to you – I doubt this guy will stop. I wish there was a way we could all move to another blog where this guy wouldn’t be able to follow us…………thanks for your concern, though. The guy is probably getting off on making everyone nervous..

  118. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Betsy. People can argue about baseball or whatever. There isn’t a blog anywhere where that doesn’t go on. It’s human nature and subjectivity.

    However, there is no excuse for crossing the line and revealing personal information or harassing someone. They are cowards.

    You may want to consider hiring a private eye to try and find out who this person is. There are things they can do. Good luck and I know everyone here is behind you 1000%.

  119. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Big AL, was the guy telling you to stay off the blog? I’m sorry you had to deal with that……….and no, I don’t think anything can be done short of moving the blog to another site and not letting that person know about it.

  120. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Patrick -

    I have no idea how anyone can get our personal info, just from blogging here, but they are getting it. It appears if you post something that really annoys this person, he or she comes after you.

    Chad is aware of the situation, but I don’t know if they can find out who it is on their end.

  121. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Betsy -

    I don’t want to repeat what was said here.

  122. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Patrick. OK. Like I said I hope Granderson has a great year in 2011. We’ll soon find out. I’m not convinced yet.

  123. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Big Al,

    I don’t really want to talk about this on the blog but rest assured, it’s being looked into by several people. I just hope the person perpetrating this nonsense stops on his own.

    He’s probably reading the blog right now, so dude: cut it out! Just chill man, no reason to keep this going…

  124. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    WC, when it comes to Phil, that’s not possible. It’s easy for you to say (I don’t mean this in an obnoxious way), but I’m the one that has to deal with personal attacks or rude comments because I don’t agree with the majority. I don’t want to do that anymore – I’m done. I won’t stop mentioning my concerns when the topic is appropriate (like when we discuss the status of the pitching staff), but I’m done going into any detail. When I do, the place just becomes not fun for me – and that’s being kind.

    This guy that calls me is not doing so because of my comments about Phil. He’s doing it because that’s his thing – to harrass people. I would love to hire someone, smoke him out and send his sorry *** to jail for what he’s doing to people.

  125. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    WCYF,

    Fair enough, we don’t have to agree :)

    As you say, we’ll find out next season.

  126. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    No problem, Big Al – I’m really sorry you’re a victim as well.

  127. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    I enjoy talking baseball, and try my best not to get into personal battles, although in the past I was guilty of that. I made up my mind, if the subject matter is that annoying, I leave the blog, rather than taking the subject away from baseball.

  128. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Patrick, without getting into it further, should I e-mail Chad about it?

  129. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Betsy – Good luck with that. There are some sick people out there, including LoHud.

  130. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Betsy -

    I understand you were up in enemy territory.

  131. Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Patrick, without getting into it further, should I e-mail Chad about it?

    Because it concerns his blog, yes I think you should.

  132. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Also, I recognize that people argue on forums or blogs all the time – and it’s generally no big deal. I feel that if you aren’t involved or haven’t been involved in one good “fight” then you really aren’t a true part of that forum, lol. However, sometimes you just have to know when to give up the ghost….there are some fights you can’t win. Discretion is the better part of valor – and you move on to another topic.

  133. West Coast Yankee Fan November 13th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Patrick November 13th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    WCYF, Fair enough, we don’t have to agree :) As you say, we’ll find out next season.

    ***********

    Cool. Please understand I want Granderson to have an All-Star season. I’m just want to see the positive changes manifest themselves over the long haul. That’s all. Many fans assume “he’s fixed”. I hope so.

  134. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Big AL, I was – and I just think Boston is the most wonderful city. I fell in love with it when I went there 5 years ago (after not having been in over a decade) and it’s just as fantastic today. The Fenway Park tour was wonderful – and I honestly don’t think it’s a dump just because a dumpy team plays there, lol. The tour guide was very informative -and I really do think it’s a beautiful, old, charming park.

    WC, thanks!

    Be back – need to e-mail Chad.

  135. Betsy November 13th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Ok, done……….

  136. AldotheApache November 13th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Betsy, Patrick, et al …

    A friend of mine who works for the phone company once told me that if you report a pattern of harassing phone calls, they may be willing to change your number free of charge … if you wanted to go that way.

    Personally, I wouldn’t, for a myriad of reasons. But it’s an option you may want to consider.

  137. Rich in NJ November 13th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Jeez, some people are freakin’ nuts.

  138. GreenBeret7 November 13th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Al, not doing too bad, just tired out. Long time hanging around airports, though. Just thought I’d check the boards. I see that the Lohud version of “Groundhog Day” has returned. More of the Hughes can’t be trusted, I have no confidence in Hughes crap. I guess that next comes “Hughes only won because of run support”. Here’s a little fact not often brought up. The yanks scored 184 runs for him in his 29 starts. 43 of those runs came after he had been out of the game for at least an inning and another 17 runs were scored in the inning following his last inning of the game. Not a small amount of runs.

  139. GreenBeret7 November 13th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Pettitte’s situation on the team still has nothing to with Burnett. Even if Burnett won the Cy Young, NYY would want Pettitte back. He gives NYY an edge that few teams have….a guy that knows how to win in the post season.

  140. Vineyard Yankee November 13th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    LMAO ! Need to go get a kleenex, my eyes are watering.

  141. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    GB7 -

    Was away for a bit. Do you travel with a laptop, or use a smart phone? I was thinking of updating to a smart phone, but don’t like having a phone that may be smarter than me, lol.

  142. AldotheApache November 13th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Curtis Granderson is an all star caliber outfielder. He’s turning 30 during the next ST. His career didn’t begin in 2010, nor did it in 2009. He has had some excellent seasons during his ML career.

    Many very talented players have experienced a “period of adjustment” in their first year of playing under the media glare in NY. Some eventually wilt.

    I believe Curtis is one of those players who will excel under these circumstances. We will see next season.

  143. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Betsy -

    Did you take that tour on, I think they call them duck boats, the buses that go into the water?

  144. Donna L November 13th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Betsy, I don’t post much, but I’ve been reading the comments here every day for a couple of years now. I’m so sorry that happened to you. It’s really creepy. I seem to remember somebody saying some time ago that CR9 was contacting people off the blog and making threats, and I notice that he isn’t here anymore. I assume he was banned. Is there any chance he might be the one doing this? It wouldn’t surprise me; the guy was clearly not “right.”

  145. GreenBeret7 November 13th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Al, strictly a laptop. I have no desire to carry a phone or anything else around. I prefer the quiet of no phone and no electronics other than my computer. I have my music, documentaries and movies stored on it.

  146. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Donna L -

    CR9 was back on this blog just last week, and there was another blogger name on here that clearly was him. I don’t know if Chad banned him, but he’s back.

  147. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    GB7-

    I don’t travel as much as I once did, so I don’t store any movies, just music. You know the kind, music that soothes the savage beast. I love so many different types of music, so it depends on the mood which I listen to, that’s why I load so much in the computer. My Ford F-150 has a large HD, that allows me to load thousands of songs, so when I travel I have a lot to listen to, and not limited to the stuff they play on radio.

  148. Vineyard Yankee November 13th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Betsy:

    That is really creepy, people needing to pose under the guise of The Mens Wearhouse making wierd phone calls. Makes you wonder how they obtain personal information on a supposedly secure site (LoHud) I hope you have a big dog at home.

  149. Vineyard Yankee November 13th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Al:

    I think he was on last night too posing as Doreens daughter.

  150. BIG AL November 13th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    VY -

    Didn’t see it, but he has to be that one Umps need to be fired, I think that’s what it was. Sounded like him, or his clone.

  151. Vineyard Yankee November 13th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Al:

    I will find the post for you and post it on the next thread. It was very strange.

  152. captainB November 13th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    For the simple reason that he hits some homeruns, Carl Crawford is a much better player than Brett Gardner.
    And I absolutely can see Cashman swooping in and signing Crawford. I don’t think it will happen, but it’s not far-fetched.
    Cashman could sign Crawford, then trade Gardner, or Swisher, either of whom would have a lot of trade value.
    Sign Crawford, Sign Lee, then make a trade for a pitcher?
    Not far-fetched at all.

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