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A few more notes from Cashman

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 15, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Now that I’m back in the room to re-write a newspaper story and actually listen back to Brian Cashman’s brief conversation with a group of three reporters, I can throw a few more quick notes on the blog.

Fair warning, Cashman started by saying he doesn’t expect any significant Yankees news to break while he’s down here.

“I don’t expect to get anything done,” he said. “It will be mostly industry stuff… I’m not on the verge of anything.”

• Cashman said he still plans to bring back the rest of the Yankees coaching staff. “That’s our hope,” he said. Obviously Dave Eiland is out, and Mike Harkey could change things if he gets the pitching coach gig, but for now Cashman expects to have the rest of the coaches back for 2011.

• Cashman did not rule out Rick Peterson as a pitching coach candidate. “I’ve got a whole list of candidates that I’m going to plow through,” he said. “I’m not going to interview all of them. I know Rick’s a terrific pitching coach. There’s no doubt about.”

• The actual Cashman quote about Leo Mazzone: “We’re not going to interview Leo. Leo turned down the Yankee job once. He was offered the job before Gator, and he went to Baltimore.”

• Cashman acknowledged having interviewed Gil Patterson and Mike Harkey for the pitching coach opening, and he said the Scott Aldred interview will happen later this week, but he wouldn’t say who else will be interviewed for the pitching coach job. He only ruled out Mazzone.

• Similarly, Cashman acknowledged having already met with Derek Jeter, Cliff Lee, Mariano Rivera and Jorge Posada — or their agents — but he wouldn’t say whether he’s talked to any other free agents. He said he’s already had some discussions with other teams, and he’ll have more discussions here in Orlando, but he said nothing is close to happening.

• I just thought this was cool: Cashman’s pitching coach interviews are so in depth, he has to do them at Yankee Stadium so that the pitching coaches can use the video facilities. “I could have continued them down here,” Cashman said. “But part of the process I have set up, I need the facility up there. These guys come in and do prep work. They get assigned kind of homework before the interview, so we need the facility and the video and all htat stuff up there. I can’t really transport the interview process.”

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382 Responses to “A few more notes from Cashman”

  1. BJK November 15th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    “The actual Cashman quote about Leo Mazzone: “We’re not going to interview Leo. Leo turned down the Yankee job once. He was offered the job before Gator, and he went to Baltimore.”

    —————————————————————————————————–

    A wise man once said: “Fool me once, shame on… shame on you… fool me- you can’t get fooled again.”

  2. Mike in Harrisburg November 15th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Yup that’s what it sounds like. Oh well, plenty of other fish in the sea.

  3. 108 stitches November 15th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Everything to like about using the videos for prep work at the Stadium to enable each candidate to pick apart good and bad with pitchers and an explanation for a plan to fix the problems.
    With pitching the priority with Cashman, it makes sense that he make the correct hire.

  4. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Maybe Mazzone didn’t want to work for Torre.

  5. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Geez, I didn’t want Mazzone, but Cash seriously holds it against him that he turned the Yankees down before? That’s kind of immature.

  6. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    I think they should hire a PC as soon as possible, but I have no problem with them being thorough.

  7. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Interviewing Harkey is a giant waste of time, but I guess they have to do it.

  8. Ruby Tuesday November 15th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Chad, at which hotel is the meeting taking place ?

    Should I stop by ?

  9. Binger November 15th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Why would he have met with Jorge’s agent? Am I missing something?

  10. AldotheApache November 15th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
    Geez, I didn’t want Mazzone, but Cash seriously holds it against him that he turned the Yankees down before? That’s kind of immature.

    ———————————-

    Maybe there’s more to it, and a reason, why Mazzone won’t interview, which Cashman chose not to share.

    Maybe it’s just that they’re not impressed with his body of work.

  11. AldotheApache November 15th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    de la rosa, or whatever his name is?

  12. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    When you are making a major move with a veteran like Posada, it’s not unusual to talk to his agent, but who knows?

  13. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Interviewing Harkey is a giant waste of time, but I guess they have to do it.

    ************

    Why was it a waste of time?

  14. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Chad said or their agents so I assume that didn’t apply to Jorge.

  15. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Aldo, what Cash said was an immature comment – what else are we supposed to read into it? He came out and basically said that he’s not interviewing the guy because he once turned them down. I didn’t think Cash was that sensitive.

  16. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Good catch, LGY.

  17. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    That’s not immature. It may be petty or vindicative, but it’s not immature.

  18. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    LGY, I’m sorry – I don’t want this guy anywhere near a PC gig. He had no clue about videos, etc………when he took over for Eiland and he admitted as such. His only experience as PC was in the minor leagues……..years ago, I think. They’re interviewing him, IMO, just so they don’t make him feel bad.

  19. TR10 November 15th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Meaning he already talked to Posada about his role next year.

  20. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Rich, semantics. I think it’s immature – and petty/vindictive. It surprises me coming from Cash – unless Mazzone was rude in turning them down.

  21. BJK November 15th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    It has been well documented that Cashman met with Posada to discuss his transition to DH.

  22. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Betsy

    I think very mature people can be petty and vindicative, but fine.

  23. Against All Odds November 15th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    I didn’t think Cash was that sensitive.
    —————————————————

    He has a Napoleon Complex

  24. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    No, he doesn’t……………..

  25. BJK November 15th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
    Rich, semantics. I think it’s immature – and petty/vindictive. It surprises me coming from Cash – unless Mazzone was rude in turning them down.

    ———————————————————————————–

    Cashman seems to have an attitude that many fans have- if you don’t want to be a Yankee, don’t be a Yankee.

    Mazzone chose to be an Oriole. So be it.

  26. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Betsy

    Are any of us really in a position to make those kind of determinations?

    Do you really know how qualified Harkey is for the job?

    Considering Cashmans interview process if he wasn’t good with video he probably had to learn quick.

    I doubt they inteviewed him unless they were seriously considering him. Its more insulting IMO to bring him in and waste his time for nothing.

  27. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Rich, you’re right- whatever. I didn’t say Cash was immature – I said it was an immature comment. There’s a big difference

  28. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Betsy

    From my point of view, the is no difference whether you view those words as states or traits.

  29. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    BJK, that’s a dumb attitude if that’s it.

    LGY, it’s my opinion – that’s all. I don’t know it for a fact, but it’s still my opinion. We’ll never know, in any case.

  30. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Everything Cashman says is deliberate and for a reason.

    He is not a publicly emotional person.

    What he said about Mazzone was for a reason.

  31. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Rich, then we have a pretty huge philosophical difference here. Either way, his comments were really silly, IMO

  32. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    “LGY, it’s my opinion – that’s all. I don’t know it for a fact, but it’s still my opinion. We’ll never know, in any case.”

    ————————-

    Which is why as part of this conversation I am trying to find out why that is your opinion.

    Call it a waste of time is a pretty damning statement regarding Harkey. For you to feel that strongly I am curious as to why.

  33. rb from LI November 15th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    It’s quite possible that Mazzone indicated that he did not want to work in NY. It could be as simple as that. If that’s his stance, there would be no point in interviewing him again for a job he doesn’t want.

  34. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    I think Cashman was sending a message to Mazzone via the media, and possibly to other players or coaches, i.e. When I make an offer that is on target, don’t turn me down, or something to that effect.

  35. kd November 15th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    it’s god to see that there’s such a detailed interview process. do other teams do this too?

  36. BJK November 15th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    rb from LI November 15th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    It’s quite possible that Mazzone indicated that he did not want to work in NY. It could be as simple as that. If that’s his stance, there would be no point in interviewing him again for a job he doesn’t want.

    ————————————————————————————————

    I heard Mazzone interviewed on MLB Radio and he said he was interested in the Yankee job.

  37. Tom in N.J. November 15th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Harkey has experience as a pitching coach. It was in the MiLB but he’s done it before.

  38. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Mazzone apparently stated on a radio show that he was interested in the gig. I didn’t want him, but not giving him an interview because he once turned the Yankees down?

    LGY, because I don’t want him as PC. When I said it was a waste of time, I meant because I really don’t think he’s being seriously considered. His time as PC here was certainly the definition of small sample size, but the pitching was pretty bad during that time. That’s not why I don’t want him – he’s a bullpen coach who’s had little experience as PC. It’s not like I’m saying he’s a bad person – I just don’t want him as the PC

  39. JCPD November 15th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    The comment from Cashman is no more immature than the clamoring on here for Cashman never to try to do business with the Mariners again because they backed out of the Cliff Lee trade.

  40. rb from LI November 15th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Okay. I wasn’t aware Mazzone was interested. Makes you wonder what changed. Was Baltimore that enticing? Maybe he didn’t want to work for Torre like Rich suggests.

  41. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    I’m sure if Felix Hernandez was offered to the Yankees and the RS, those people would have a change of heart.

    That said, I don’t see the analogy.

  42. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Betsy

    I just asking why you feel that why.

    Explaining/expanding on opinions makes having discussions much easier.

  43. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    “I didn’t want him, but not giving him an interview because he once turned the Yankees down?”

    ————————

    Betsy,

    You are assuming causation.

  44. TR10 November 15th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    If I turn down a job it would be hard pressed for me to get that same job back after I went some place else. I would have to do something more worthy than what I was thought of prior. Has Mazzone done that?

  45. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    LGY, I already explained why I don’t want him as PC.

    As to Mazzone, Cash as good as said that Mazzone turned him down once, so that was that…………..

  46. West Coast Yankee Fan November 15th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Cashman shouldn’t have phrased his comments about Mazzone that way and I am sure he knows that. It was a PR blunder, not a major one but a blunder all the same.

    He had nothing to gain by saying it and he only came off looking petty and as if he holds grudges. Contrast that with what he said about Rick Petersen, “I know Rick’s a terrific pitching coach. There’s no doubt about it.”

    As to Mike Harkey, I have no reason to think he wouldn’t be a very good pitching coach. He received very good reviews for his work as a minor league pitching coach and as the bullpen coach has the experience of working with the entire Yankees staff.

    Also the rumor about not using video is baseless as reported in a McCarron article in the NYDN talking about Harkey and AJ Burnett. “I’d do video work, too. Now is the best time, because it’s a non-pressure situation and you can get him into an environment where he can try new things and not have to worry about the results. A.J. is a great guy, he’d be open to anything to make him feel more confident and pitch with more confidence.”

    Harkey also said the following which I loved, “I have always considered myself a teacher and I pride myself on communicating with pitchers and figuring out how to get the most out of them.”

  47. Pat M. November 15th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Come on Cash, just sign Gil Patterson…..

  48. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    It wasn’t a rumor, Harkey said it himself at the time.

  49. Tom in N.J. November 15th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Mike Harkey was against using video before he was for it?

  50. rb from LI November 15th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    I agree TR10. He turned the Yanks down. He hasn’t done anything since then to distinguish himself. NOW he wants to be the Yankees pitching coach?

  51. Tom in N.J. November 15th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    10th inning on PBS…

  52. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Cash is taking is sweet time hiring a PC. Aldred is late this week and who knows who else?

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan November 15th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Obviously Harkey would use video as a tool, of course he would, who doesn’t. They use video in high school. He just said he would, his interview with Cashman involved the use of video.

  54. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Betsy,

    You didn’t really explain. I mean this genuinely so I hope you don’t take this the wrong way. I think you run into the arguments that you do on here, because what you think as explaining your opinions on things doesn’t come off as such.

    You have strong opinions on many topics so I think the conversations you have would go much smoother if you expanded more on why you think the things you do.

  55. Pat M. November 15th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Why lay out several Grand for a First Class ticket to NYC, when Cashman has no intent to sign ole Leo……That ship sailed a few years back

  56. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    I’m with SAS.

    Cashman was sending a message. It may look like a minor PR blunder, but I think it was a deliberate one.

    I am not sure what the message was as we are not privy to that kind of information, but when Cashman makes those kinds of statements he usually does for a reason.

  57. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    To expand on that. I’m with SAS and Pat M.

    Cash had no interest has Mazzone as a PC and instead of just saying that he used this opportunity to spin it and send a message to someone.

  58. TR10 November 15th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Exactly rb from LI.

  59. Tom in N.J. November 15th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Maybe Cash felt Mazzone led him on back in ’05.

    Mazzone was rumored to want to join the O’s so he could work with his friend. Maybe Mazzone had no intention of ever taking the Yankees job and Cash felt used.

    Who knows?

  60. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    I don’t get that at all – don’t turn the Yankees down? Cash sounds like a fool.

  61. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    The message, if there is one, is that you get once chance to say no.

    As with every general rule, there’s probably an exception for talented players in their prime.

  62. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    LGY, I did explain – I don’t know what else you want me to say. I run into arguments because I have a different opinion about a certain pitcher than most every one else………..I’m not about to blame myself for that. I have explained why I don’t want him as PC; I’ve no idea how I can possibly expound on that

  63. Crawdaddy November 15th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Right, I just don’t think Cashman has any more interest in Leo as pitching coach so why bother.

  64. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Who is Cash sending a message to, players? That’s ridiculous (if he’s doing that)………….

  65. rb from LI November 15th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    You know, Tom, you may have hit the nail on the head. And that might be why Cash said what he said. The Yankees are not a bargaining chip. You’re either interested or you’re not.

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan November 15th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    I agree that Mazzone’s ship has sailed but Cashman’s public statement on him was not very gracious. When you are in a position of authority and in the public eye, you should always ask yourself, what do I have to gain by saying this and how does it come across.

  67. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    That’s fine, then why not just say Mazzone won’t be interviewing and leave it at that?

  68. Crawdaddy November 15th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Cashman sounding like a fool, too funny.

  69. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Betsy,

    I don’t want to drag this on any longer, but even with Phil Hughes you barely explain why you feel the way you do. You just make very deliberate statements without explanations that expand and support it.

    In terms of Harkey you haven’t explained what about him makes you think he shouldn’t even be considered. What about his inexperience? What about his philosophies? How does he compare to the others? How much experience does he have (because you yourself said your not even sure?

    If you did that, then maybe I respond, well what about his relationships with the pitchers on the staff or something.

    You are just very deliberate with many of these statements and that makes it extremely difficult to converse about an issue, including the Hughes stuff.

  70. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Btw, Idk how connected Sweeny Murti is but he said Harkey is getting serious consideration a couple weeks ago.

    http://twitter.com/YankeesWFAN/status/29474081990

  71. Pat M. November 15th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    When I’m looking to fill a position I have a short list of candidates to consider after looking through resumes….I’m only going call in those who I want to interview……I’m quite certain that there are many here who have had their share of interviewing candidates and understand this oh so well…….Why waste valuable time and the expense, and my efforts are not even in the same galaxy as being the GM of The NY Yankees…Cashman has much to do in a relatively short time frame…….Betsy, this is The Major Leagues….

  72. TR10 November 15th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    When you are in a position of authority and in the public eye, you should always ask yourself, what do I have to gain by saying this and how does it come across.

    ———

    During the season and post, you constantly want Girardi to be “more honest” but yet when Cashman makes a statement, you fault him as well. Do you have any sense of mental consistency?

  73. Crawdaddy November 15th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Sweeny Murti is just a parrot and has never broken a story on his own.

  74. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    LGY, I’ve been giving vague comments about Phil lately because I refuse to explain myself again. I’ve explained my reasoning before, and I’ve been subjected to nasty comments because of that. I just won’t put myself through that again. I like this board, but I’ve adjusted the way I’ve dealt with things here so that I don’t aggravate myself.

  75. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Put me in the Patterson camp. I want someone with a demonstrated history of developing young pitchers, teaching new pitches, spotting mechanical flaws, and being able to communicate and effectuate what he sees.

  76. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Pat M, I never said Cash should interview Mazzone (I didn’t even want him). I just don’t like his comments.

  77. Crawdaddy November 15th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    “Put me in the Patterson camp. I want someone with a demonstrated history of developing young pitchers, teaching new pitches, spotting mechanical flaws, and being able to communicate and effectuate what he sees.”

    Damn, I have to agree with Rich here.

  78. Crawdaddy November 15th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    “I just don’t like his comments.”

    We got it, Cash needs to do a better job with his public comments.

  79. Crawdaddy November 15th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    What I want to know is there somebody out there flying under the radar that Cashman is considering for PC? We heard of the obvious suspects, but is there somebody else that nobody in the media has picked up on yet.

  80. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    What is your problem with me, Craw? Did I run over your puppy dog? Jesus.

  81. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Why are you asking that ? here, Craw? Would we know? Why don’t you go ask Sweeney Murti?

  82. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Betsy,

    The comments have been vague from the beginning with Phil.

    As an example you said you don’t want Harkey, no way, yet you don’t even know what kind of experience he has. You say he doesn’t have enough or the right experience but you don’t even know what his is. It’s very similar to how you have spoken about Phil.

    Contrast that with Rich’s 9:45 post on why he wants Patterson.

    Anyway, I’m just offering up advice as to how I react to your posts so you can do whatever you want with that advice. I won’t mention it again.

  83. Crawdaddy November 15th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    “Why don’t you go ask Sweeney Murti?”

    In that case, I might as well ask you then since Murti knows squat.

  84. Tom in N.J. November 15th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Harkey has 6 years pitching coach experience in the minors. 5 in the Padres system and 1 in the Cubs. Couple that with his 4 years as a bullpen coach and you can see he’s got the resume.

  85. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    LGY, no my comments on Phil were always direct. I am not confident at all about him going into 2011 because: 1) terrible 2nd half of the season 2) diminishing strikeout rate 3) too many HRs 4) lousy curve and non-existent change …………..I don’t think I’ve left anything out. I have explained repeatedly that I didn’t like how he spent all winter on the change up, seemed thrilled about it in ST and then just dropped it like a hot potato. Had he thrown it more often earlier in the season, maybe it would be a decent pitch for him now.

    I have made these comments before and what did I get? I got obnoxious comments from SJ and others. Heaven forbid I don’t think he’s solid as the #3 starter – that is why I just won’t talk about it anymore. If I feel it’s appropriate to express my concerns about the rotation, I will – but that’s it. There’s simply no way to have any discussion about Phil at this point that won’t turn into an argument.

    That’s just not fair about Harkey. I said he had minor league experience………….

  86. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    I don’t care who you ask, but get off my damn back.

  87. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    So because he’s been a pitching coach it means he has a great resume? Who’s to say he’s been any good?

  88. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Phil has nothing to do with this conversation. Cashman has been the Yankees’ GM long enough to know exactly what to say and when. It was a remark made on purpose. Don’t s c r e w around with me or else. I treat the people well who treat me well. I am honest and a good friend, but I am not going to be used….that kind of thing.

    Notice Cash has been in touch with all the Yankee free agents and Posada. They have been great for the team and will be treated as such by the Yankees. He is not the GM of the Sox.

  89. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    resume = body of work, Bets.

  90. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    SAS, I don’t agree. Turning the Yankees down means he’s screwed with Cashman? Boy, Cash must have a very thin skin.

  91. rb from LI November 15th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    I don’t know much about Aldred. I have no opinion of Harkey – his “introduction” as Yankees PC, even as temp PC, was a rough one. The team (AJ in particular) was going through a bad stretch. That will give fans a negative impression. I have to admit the idea of going with Paterson is appealing.

  92. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    SAS, I’m sorry? I know what a resume is.

  93. Tom in N.J. November 15th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    I never said his resume was great.

  94. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Tom, I know. I garbled that up. The point I was trying to make is that the fact that he’s been a PC doesn’t necessarily mean he’s got the resume to be a Yankees PC – we don’t know how good he was. Does he have a reputation? I don’t think I’ve heard anythinga bout him…

  95. West Coast Yankee Fan November 15th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Pitching coaches don’t just fix major league pitchers who have years and years of previous coaching and habits in their heads. Pitching is in large part about muscle memory and it often takes a long timeto make substantive changes in a pitcher’s delivery and results.

  96. BJK November 15th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    I would call it having a sense of pride.

    If I was interested in hiring an employee, interviewed them, and s(he) chose to go to a rival company instead after I offered him/her a job, I would be less inclined to consider them if they came back to me later.

    There are plenty of people out there who would do just about anything to be the pitching coach of the New York Yankees. Cashman doesn’t have to be anyone’s second choice if he chooses not to be.

  97. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Betsy

    If you don’t know how good Harkey was then how do you know he is not qualified for the position?

  98. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Dave Duncan has “fixed” ML pitchers, at least while they remained under his tutelage.

  99. TR10 November 15th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Didn’t think so.

  100. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Betsy,

    I didn’t mean to insult you.

  101. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    BJK,

    Well said.

  102. rb from LI November 15th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    BJK, my thoughts exactly.

    WCYF, I didn’t say fans are right for having a negative impression about Harkey, but I think it’s there because of that awful 4(?) weeks.

  103. Pat M. November 15th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Rich in NJ…..I thought the Yanks screwed up when they let Gil leave when he did….I think the Tampa good old boys had something to do with that……He’s the ideal guy for the job in The Bronx…..

  104. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    SAS, I know you didn’t – I’m sorry I snapped. I’ve not been getting much sleep and it was a long day at work (first one after a nice vacation).

  105. Tom in N.J. November 15th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    This would suck. And it Happened to Gil Patterson:

    “His 1977 Topps rookie card (the only Major League card from his playing days) mistakenly pictured minor leaguer Sheldon Gill.”

    http://www.baseball-reference......_Patterson

  106. Tar November 15th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    ‘Cashman was sending a message. It may look like a minor PR blunder, but I think it was a deliberate one.
    I am not sure what the message was as we are not privy to that kind of information, but when Cashman makes those kinds of statements he usually does for a reason.’

    Yay we agree LGY!

    Cashman doesn’t make statements like that without a reason. Mazzone pissed cash off, and I don’t think it was just for turning down the job.

  107. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Betsy,

    I am up tight myself. We return to NY to get ready for our Thanksgiving “happening” and a few Drs appts in the City. It is a tough couple of weeks for me that are coming up. After that we drive back here with our pup. It is a very long 2-3 weeks.

  108. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    return to NY tomorrow*

  109. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    SAS, sorry to hear that…………. I hope things get better for you. What kind of dog is your pup?

  110. Dee November 15th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Just read an article that mentions Nick Swisher as the source of talk throughout the GM meetings. Obviously doesn’t really mean much, but I’m guessing he’s a big trade target.

  111. Pat M. November 15th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Wish Randy I was around to offer some additional insight on this subject…….

  112. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Betsy,

    They are fine. It is just a lot to do in a short time. I kind of wish the younger generation would take over these holidays, but that isn’t happening any time soon.

    The old girl, and she is 12, is a chocolate c o c k e r spaniel.

  113. rb from LI November 15th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    I’d be bummed if Swish was traded, but his value is probably at it’s highest right now.

  114. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Pat M.

    I love it when you guys get going together. Randy hasn’t been around much this Fall. Hope he is OK.

  115. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    SAS, awwww I’ll bet she’s beautiful………you’re right, it is a busy time of year, but I love it. This year I have to work the day after Thanksgiving, which stinks, but I think we’ll get off early.

  116. Jerkface November 15th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Noted yankee hater bill james predicts Jeter will put up a .295/.365/.410, .344 wOBA, 115 wRC+, 13 HR, 703 PA line next season.

    But I thought he hated the yankees??? I would take that in a new york minute.

  117. Jerkface November 15th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Phil Hughes
    12-7, 3.56 ERA, 177 IP, 160 H, 60 BB, 166 K

    Brett Gardner
    .275/.377/.371, .349 wOBA, 119 wRC+, 5 HR, 50 SB, 589 PA

    Curtis Granderson
    .264/.341/.471, .355 wOBA, 123 wRC+, 25 HR, 646 PA

    Jesus Montero
    .285/.348/.519, .376 wOBA, 137 wRC+, 21 HR, 442 PA

    Alex Rodriguez
    .284/.381/.530, .393 wOBA, 148 wRC+, 35 HR, 621 PA

    Mark Teixeira
    .282/.383/.532, .393 wOBA, 149 wRC+, 36 HR, 698 PA

    Cliff Lee
    14-10, 3.50 ERA, 216 IP, 215 H, 49 BB, 169 K

    Ah-ha! So he is a yankee hater, Cliff Lee 3.5 14-10??? hater!

    http://slidingintohome.blogspo.....tions.html

  118. Jerkface November 15th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Predicts Buchholz will have a 3.54 ERA. And go 13-9. Red Sox lover!

  119. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    That sounds a lot like 14-10 to me…lol

  120. Pat M. November 15th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    SAS….Tin Cup just doesn’t come around that much anymore…He like many just are fed up with all the BS that has come to signify The New LoHud……Lost many good posters this past season…….Shame is that Cup has some real insighht to a specific part of the game that nobody here can clearly share…..Miss his input….I guess we can always blame GB

  121. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Betsy,

    I spent about 2 hrs on Amazon this afternoon ordering holiday gifts for my great nephews/niece, and my grandson. I have done his birthday gift though. I have to have them ready on Thanksgiving because we won’t be there during the holidays.

  122. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Pat M.

    You are the guys who I finally opened up to one night late last winter. It was such fun. Hopefully, the garbage will stop, but if everyone leaves, then what. No one to discuss the game we love with.

  123. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    SAS, how wonderful – this is such a nice time of year (holiday wise). We don’t celebrate Hannukah at all, so there’s no chance to buy gifts – well, for my younger nieces and nephews. I love Secret Santa at our office, because I like buying gits and of course it’s fun to get something, lol

  124. JK November 15th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Cash is no fool he said what he said for a reason.

    Billy Connors is a good friend of Mazzone. Connors promised George & the front office that Mazzone would take the job if it was offered. So it gets out there that the Yankees are going after Mazzone in the press and he turns down the Yankees offer to go to Baltimore.

    George hated Angelos so i’m sure he was not exactly happy about the Yankees getting turned down for Baltimore.

  125. Rich in NJ November 15th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    I’m not that worried about Jeter’s 2011. It’s the year(s) after that worry me.

  126. Pat M. November 15th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    SAS…..At some point somebody from the paper needs to step in address some of the key problems here, especially the identity / privacy concerns

  127. Bronx Jeers November 15th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    We need to arrange a Lohud old timers day. Have the voices of yesteryear chime in one last time before the new crop of posters takes over for good. :wink:

  128. 4 NYY November 15th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    I hope he chooses Rick Peterson

  129. Pat M. November 15th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Bronx Jeers….One of the best features of The LoHud when I came along here was the outstanding knowledgeable Lady Yankee fans who knew the game……That being said in the past season we no longer see Rebecca, Claire, Christina ( the good one ), m, Erica and no maybe Doreen & Tricia…..I’m certain there’s a few more that I have forgotten…..Real shame….

  130. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Pat M., Jeers,

    I agree. If I have a minute when I am in NY; I live in LoHud country, I will call the Journal News and see what they can do. The Journal News, LoHud, is part of Gannett which is a huge company. Many of the largest newspapers, etc. in this country are part of the Gannett chain.

    It is scary for all of us. I wouldn’t even give MTU my address, and I think he is a fine person. He was going to send me a gift. It is a sad state of affairs when we can’t share our thoughts without being worried someone is going to intrude in our lives.

    I will try my best, but I am actually not going to be there very long with the Thanksgiving and all, but I will try my best. That is all I can do.

    Some people might consider me a newcomer, but I am comfortable with all of you now. It is just during the games themselves that I go into hiding or shut up when the in-fighting is going on. We should be able to get those guys to stop because they haven’t done anything that we know of on this blog.

  131. SAS November 15th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    You are right about that. It was nice to have female company on here. I think Erica is just taking a break or I hope so. I have Doreen’s email, and if we don’t hear from her, I will get in touch with her. Christina and Claire were gone when i arrived.

  132. dc in el cerrito November 15th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    I read on Facebook that Rebecca was offered a part time job working for ESPN. Not sure what but I assume writing/blog related.

  133. G. Love November 15th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    I’m with Betsy on this. I don’t want Mike Harkey to be the pitching coach. From all accounts he’s a Girardi vanity hire, a Girardi confidante and got his position through his relationship with Girardi.

    The last thing I want as the pitching coach is a Joe Girardi yes man in that position. I want a coach who has worked with young pitchers and helped them develop past their ceilings.

    Harkey might be a lovely man, but the real truth is how many times since he’s been here has he been interviewed for another major league pitching coach job?

    I’ve never heard his name come up except when it’s linked to his friendship with Girardi.

    With the sheer amount of young pitching coming up through the pipeline the team can’t afford a vanity hire. They need a solid pitching coach who is on the short list of every GM in the game.

    As for Betsy’s evaluation of Hughes’ season, she’s not far off. She may be pessimistic about his future chances, but she’s honest about the season he just had.

  134. dc in el cerrito November 15th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    Put me in the Patterson camp too.

  135. G. Love November 15th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    That’s great for Rebecca if that’s the case. She was a great poster and she’s definitely missed here. Some of the garbage she had to endure here was beyond disgusting.

  136. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    GLove, I really don’t think I’ve said anything so bad about Phil…….To me, everyone else is just hoping with him. Despite some folks twisting my words, I’ve never once said he would definitely be bad or that he wouldn’t improve. My summation of it is that Phil had a successful year if you’re talking about developing a competent major league pitcher. If you’re talking about a future #1 type, which is how the Yankees view him, then that’s just not as clear to me.

    As to Harkey, it’s true that he got his job because of Joe. I have no idea what a bullpen coach does, but it’s not like he’s got this great rep as a terrific young PC. Aldred has a rep, for instance – if Harkey is so good, why hasn’t he? I have nothing personal against the man; he seems like a really good guy.

  137. Bronx Jeers November 15th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    I think part of it is just that there’s not much going on right now and nothing to really discuss. Speculation can only take you so far and for the most part it’s just re-hashing the same old tired ideas.

    Then there’s the ugly business that unfortunately has been allowed to go on for way too long. I still think it’s the work of that one person and it is a shame because many could see it coming. You gotta snuff out the roaches before they colonize.

  138. Pat M. November 15th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    dc in el cerrito….Rebecca is a very talented writer who was just lights out every January when the LoHud has the guest writer….Last January some hump accused her of plagiarism which was utter crap and she left…..She does have her own blog and I do read and occasionally comment there….Miss her…

  139. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    Bronx, I think that’s it.

    I’ve had my named posted here and I’ve had this person call me at home. It makes you wonder if it’s worth the bother of posting here……

  140. Betsy November 15th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    name…….

  141. rb from LI November 15th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Rebecca posted here a lot when I first started lurking. She is missed, but I check out her blog periodically.

    You’re right about the ESPN thing:

    This Purist Bleeds Pinstripes: This Purist kinda can’t believe this itty bitty blog has just helped her get a part time job offer from ESPN. Whoa. Cool.
    November 5 at 10:37pm

    Congrats to Rebecca!

  142. LGY November 15th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    I scan the RAB comments only occasionally now.

    Rebecca is doing some type of statistic input or something last I read at ESPN.

    She always routinely talks smack about us Lohudders :mad:

  143. rb from LI November 15th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    I think Rebecca became frustrated by some of the inanity that occurs over here.

  144. G. Love November 15th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Betsy,

    Your concise evaluation of Phil’s season above was right on the money. The negative part people are reacting to is you punctuate the remarks you make about him by saying things about how you view his future prospects in the rotation.

    That said, a lot of posters in here have been reassuring us that the path Phil is on is the path most great pitchers take. That their secondary stuff comes along with experience.

    There is a fair amount of hope in believing that, but I don’t think it’s foolish to think he’ll progress past the point he ended this season.

    As for Harkey I think it’d be a mistake. Too often you hear about coaches who put their friends into these kind of positions having to fire their friends. Joe got a raise with his extension. He shouldn’t get to name his pitching coach. The Yankees have to find someone who can go in and work on AJ, Phil, Joba and all the young arms coming up. I don’t think Harkey is that guy. He comes off more as a jocular cheer leader than a pitching coach to me. When Eiland left and AJ crumbled he did nothing to reverse that. To me, that should disqualify him from real contention.

  145. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Cashman has been denied permission to talk to Rick Patterson.

    Mazzone has not coached in 3 years, and was fired by the O’s for doing such a poor job.

    The next PC most likely will be Gil Peterson, long shot Aldred.

    Mazzone made it clear he wants to be a PC again with either the Yankees or Mets, Cashman made it clear, don’t waste the stamp, we’re not interested. Too bad if he hurt anyones feelings, that’s the corporate world, not always nice and polite.

  146. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Good night folks.

  147. Betsy November 16th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    GLove, I guess that’s me being the skeptic. It’s just not my nature to have faith – I need proof of things. If people want to disagree with me in terms of how good he’s going to be, that’s fine – what I resent is being made to feel like I need to apologize because I don’t think things are necessarily going to turn out as we’d like.

    I can’t disagree about Harkey. You and Rich hit the nail on the head in terms of what we’re looking for in a PC. I’m sure Harkey has ability and does a good job in his current position – I’m not here to trash him. I’m fine with him staying on……..

  148. Betsy November 16th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Night, Al……..night all!

  149. dc in el cerrito November 16th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    Peterson was fired today, he’s free to negotiate with whomever he wants. Randolph was let go too.

  150. Pat M. November 16th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Willie kind of gets screwed because he would have been a great pick for the Skipper of Th e Pirates had he been able to be part of the interviewing process…..Instead Clint Hurdle gets the nod……

  151. Rebecca-Optimist Prime November 16th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Hey guys

    Pat emailed me, mentioned my name came up so I came here to check it out…some of the comments really did warm my heart.

    I’m incredibly excited about the opportunity…but the honest truth is that nothing, not the job, not the blog, not even my rudimentary baseball knowledge…none of it would have started had I not started reading this blog in the summer of 2007.

    So, for what it’s worth, I owe all of you a thank you that’s probably too emotional and heart felt to put into words in a regular ole’ comment here.

    So yeah.

    Hope everyone is well.

    Cheers.

  152. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Patterson would have had te pitching coach spot years ago except for family health issues with his son. By the time he had those issues worked the jobs were being held for multiple years by Guidry and Eiland. He took a job with Oakland as pitching coordinator. He’s ready to come home and has stated so. Patterson’s the odds on favorite to get the job. Growing up in the system, he had near perfect mechanics. Even Guidry said that he wirshed that he had Patterson’s talents. It’s his job to lose, and, I think that if Harkey doesn’t get the job, I’d bet that he walks.

  153. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    In the AFL today, Laird was only 1-5, but, did what he does best….produce runs with a 2 run homer. He’s tied for 2nd in homers with 4, one behind the leader and tied for 4th in RBIs with 19, 4 behind the leader. He’s also 4th in doubles with 9, just 2 off the lead.

  154. SAS November 16th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Hi Rebecca,

    Good to see you in this quiet season. Good luck with your new blog.

  155. Pat M. November 16th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Rebecca…..For many of us it’ll be ” I knew back when “” she was a student at Syracuse pulling all nighters so she could watch her beloved Yankees and then spend an hour or so here shooting the breeze with us……This is only the first step in what will be many wonderful strides in a very promising career…….Whatever happens in Bristol, do not become a UCONN fan…..

  156. Crawdaddy November 16th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    “I don’t care who you ask, but get off my damn back.”

    Betsy,

    You’re not important enough for me to concern myself with getting on your damn back. Stop trying to play the victim with me.

  157. Pat M. November 16th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    I knew Her back when…..Getting late, errors are rampant

  158. Nick in SF November 16th, 2010 at 2:50 am

    I saw Mike Harkey up close and personal in the foul territory bullpen in Oakland. He’s really good at standing in front of the relievers while they warm up and keeping them blocked from errant balls.

  159. BJK November 16th, 2010 at 3:29 am

    Congrats Rebecca. I was more of a reader than a poster back when you held court here. Your comments are missed.

    And don’t listen to Pat M…. Go Huskies!

  160. BJK November 16th, 2010 at 3:30 am

    Nick in SF November 16th, 2010 at 2:50 am
    I saw Mike Harkey up close and personal in the foul territory bullpen in Oakland. He’s really good at standing in front of the relievers while they warm up and keeping them blocked from errant balls.

    —————————————————————————————————

    That’s a skill you’re born with. You can’t really teach that, it’s all instinct.

  161. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 6:13 am

    Would love to see Willie Randolph back with the Yankees in some capacity. He’d be great working with young IF’s.

  162. upstate kate November 16th, 2010 at 7:15 am

    good morning any early birds lurking around out there.

    I agree, Big Al, it would be nice to see Willie back.
    It was nice to see the comments from Rebecca…perhaps she can make ESPN a better place :)

  163. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:19 am

    Good morning Kate. Willie is one of my favs from back when he played 2B, after coming from the Pirates. Knew Willie from early on.

  164. upstate kate November 16th, 2010 at 7:20 am

    Big Al
    any news on Ace?

  165. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:23 am

    Alfredo is still rehabing, but, is feeling much, much better. Right now he’s on track to start pitching in ST. He’s not allowed to throw right now, so it will take longer for him to build arm strength come spring. My guess, he’ll be 2-3 weeks behind other pitchers.

  166. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Kate -
    I’ll be talking with him on Sunday, if there is any new developments, I’ll let you know.

  167. upstate kate November 16th, 2010 at 7:27 am

    please be sure to tell him that he has a lot of fans anxious to see him return

  168. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    MTU -

    Are you up yet? Those of us that don’t sleep need to stick together.

  169. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 7:29 am

    Al-

    Wish AA our best when you speak to him.

  170. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:29 am

    Kate -

    He is rather shy, and when I tell him how much the fans think of him, he keeps saying, “You’re kidding me, right.”

  171. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:30 am

    MTU -

    I thought you might be lurking out there.

  172. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Al-

    I’m like a bad penny that just keeps turning up.

  173. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:32 am

    MTU -

    Now that Rick Peterson is available, I think he moves to the top of the list for new PC.

  174. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:33 am

    MTU -

    Better turning up than down.

  175. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Kate -

    I’ll bet it’s cold by you.

  176. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Al-

    Rick Peterson is the type of Professional that I would love to see hired by the Yankees.

    My feeling is that they are going to hire someone who was previously associated though.

  177. MorningPerson November 16th, 2010 at 7:35 am

    Good Morning, morning people!

    It sounds like Cashman has quite the process in place for choosing a pitching coach. I would imagine if any of the candidates was not comfortable with or good at using video, it will be noted. I have no issue with what Cashman said with regard to Mazzonne. I guess he simply cut to the chase. If you have a long list of candidates, why waste time on someone you know you have no interest in. And we have no idea exactly what transpired the last time around. It is definitely possible the Yankees felt a bit used or led on by Mazzone. But we don’t know that, either.
    It sounds like not everyone on the long list will get an interview. Whether we end up agreeing with their choice or not, no one can say they just pulled a named out of a hat.

    Big Al, I look forward to hearing about Aceves from you. He was sorely missed this season.

    Have some stuff to take care of today.

    Catch y’all later.

    :)

  178. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:35 am

    MTU -

    If you’re right, then it’ll be Gil Patterson.

  179. boiled_rabbit November 16th, 2010 at 7:36 am

    She used someone else’s work and got caught. She left in a huff when she got called on it. Good riddance. Big mouth braggart. She trashes lohud on RAB. And you idiots congratulate her. ESPN. A joke going to a joke. Stay out of here.

  180. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 7:38 am

    Al-

    It’s good either way. They’re both very capable.

  181. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:38 am

    A little early for that.

  182. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 7:38 am

    Al-

    How is the rest of the family doing ?

  183. pat November 16th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    ESPN has filled their quota for hiring a Yankee fan this year!

    Congrats Rebecca!

  184. boiled_rabbit November 16th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Bragged about her father getting her great tickets. Guarantee daddy helped her get that nothing job. She’d never admit it though. Braggart that she is. I couldn’t stand her. Happy day when she copied someone elses work and left here in a big huff.

  185. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:40 am

    MTU -

    Agreed, I’ll be happy with either one, both very good PC. Gil being an ex-Yankee might have the inside track.

    I posted earlier, I’d love to see willie Randolph return in some capacity, love the guy.

  186. boiled_rabbit November 16th, 2010 at 7:40 am

    Never too early for the truth.

  187. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 7:42 am

    Al-

    On willie:

    Our new bunting and stealing coach ? Someone to work with guys like Nunez and Laird on their fielding ?

  188. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:44 am

    MTU -

    Wife is still not very well, but, you do what you can. I think they just don’t know as much as we give them credit for. One says this, the other says that. But, she is a little better, just constant fatigue, and goes to sleep at the drop of a hat.

  189. upstate kate November 16th, 2010 at 7:45 am

    sorry to hear about your wife Big Al

  190. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    MTU -
    That was my feeling, another IF coach, but, the coach’s inplace might like it.

    I met Willie when he first came to the Yankees. He was living in a modest home in Park Ridge, NJ, and the only thing on the wall was a painting he had done of himself in his Yankees uniform. He was so proud to be a Yankee.

  191. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 7:48 am

    Al-

    I hope she continues to improve. Sorry you’re having trouble finding someone to make an accurate diagnosis.

    It all starts with that. My wife has not been blessed with the best of health so I can relate.

  192. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:49 am

    Kate -

    Thanks, I have to be careful, I forget some times I’m on this blog, and not having a private conversation. Too many strange people out there these days.

  193. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:50 am

    MTU -

    Does she hike with you?

  194. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 7:52 am

    Al-

    yes. Ocassionally. When she has the energy. Mrs. MTU loves the outdoors just like me.

  195. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    MTU -

    It must be easier when you take the ATV’s, less walking, more riding. That’s my style these days.

  196. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:56 am

    MTU -

    When are the Mops going to get to go hiking, heard they are starting to feel left out. Word gets out between the breed.

  197. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Al-

    Not only does the wife go along but the pups too. We have explored some beautiful places that way.

    Sometimes it’s a family affair.

    One other thing before I forget. What type of buisness did you own up in NJ ? I’m curious about your background.

    You don’t have to get overly personal just the outline.

  198. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    MTU -

    Consumer Electronics, Sales & Service.

  199. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Al-

    I’ll whip them into shape pretty soon. They like cold weather so probably start to hit hard after the Holiday.

    Telelgraph. telephone. tel-a-woman. tel-a-shih tzu ?

    :)

  200. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:00 am

    MTU -

    I now have this picture in my mind of the pups with little helmuts and goggles, and their hair blowing in the wind, cool picture.

  201. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    MTU -

    Now you know how I hear so much, my little ones can’t keep a secret either.

  202. Vineyard Yankee November 16th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Good Morning All:

    Willie Randolph is a good guy who always seems to be drawing the short straw. IMO, a very knowledgeable baseball man. I hope he gets a job and has a decent chance (time) to be able to show what he can do.

  203. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:03 am

    MTU -

    What’s your weather like out there now? Here it’s been mid to upper 60′s during the day, and low 40′s at night. Great sleeping weather, after an extremely hot summer.

  204. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Al-

    Not too far off. It’s very cute when they are along. We love it and they love it.

    Sort of the image of snoopy with his pilot’s helmet. Like that.

    :)

  205. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Al-

    Sunny and 60-65 of late. Great hiking weather.

  206. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:06 am

    MTU -

    That’s how I had it pictured, but then again, some of the images in my mind don’t always make sense. Old men day dream too much.

  207. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    MTU -

    Do you have to be concerned with creepy, crawly things with them along?

  208. pat November 16th, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Most pitchers won’t even pick up a baseball for a few more weeks so plenty of time to make a pitching coach decision. Better thorough than quick.

  209. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    VY -

    Agreed, Willie is a first class guy, and I hope he gets another big chance.

  210. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Al-

    You can never have enough dreams.

    Utah is “custom made for a day dreamin’ boy” as I imagine your area is.

    We’re on the right path. Old or not. Good glide slope IMO.

    :)

  211. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:11 am

    pat -

    Your right, most pitchers start throwing in mid to late December. I think it’ll be between Rich Peterson and Gil Patterson. Weird how those names are so similiar.

  212. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Al-

    Not usually. We’re in the high country then. We don’t have timber rattlers out here.

  213. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    MTU -

    Like a plane that’s lost power, you learn to glide, lol.

  214. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    MTU -

    I don’t like snakes, of any kind. Especially those that bite to kill.

    Was bitten by a copperhead many years ago, don’t ever want to go through that again.

  215. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Al-

    check this out :

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  216. Vineyard Yankee November 16th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Al:

    Does it seem to you that he always gets these crappy positions (Mets, Brewers etc.) It appears to me that the jobs he has gotten are just a huge uphill battle to succeed, constant turmoil takes away from what one does best, as well as the stability of the organization he is in, imo.

  217. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    MTU -

    Sent you an E-mail.

  218. pat November 16th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Reading about some of Peterson’s methods over the years always makes me think of the “breathe through your eyelids” line from Bull Durham whenever I see him so I’m going to need to get over that if he gets the Yankee job.

  219. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    MTU -

    Cool shoots, love the background. What faces, how can you ever say no to them, I know I can’t say no to mine.

  220. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Al-

    The only thing they’re good for is boots, belts, and wallets.

    I definitely understand. Lucky we don’t have Fer de lance out here.

    Not much for close encounters of the slithery kind. Goes with the territory though out this way. Just have to pay attention.

  221. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    VY -

    Yeh, he’s had his share of poor positions, but, the Mets job was a learning currve. He tried to instill Yankees valus on a team that just did not get it.

  222. Mell November 16th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Not fair to say Randolph was put in a bad position with the Mets. It devolved into one over time, but he didn’t do an especially great job as things headed south.

  223. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Al-

    I can’t. They have me completely wrapped around their paws.

    :)

  224. upstate kate November 16th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    remember what a heart warming ovation Willie got when he was introduced at OTD, shortly after being fired by the Mets

  225. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Willie is 100% pure class.

  226. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    MTU -

    I love that expression, wrapped around their little paws.

    It makes one paws to think about them.

  227. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Willie is a Yankee, and needs to come home.

  228. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    kate-

    Since we’re still having the cutest dog competition please be sure to check out the photos I posted above in my 8:15 post.

    Until proven otherwise I say I win.

    :)

  229. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Randolph didn’t get much backing from the players or the front office with the Mets, either. One of the most unprofessional baseball organizations anywhere in a long time.

  230. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Kate -

    I remember, Willie has always been a fan favorite, not only an outstanding player, but a great human being. One of the real good guys in MLB.

  231. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Al-

    Yes Al. Paws to think. definitely. it’s an ongoing tail. or is that tale.

    :)

  232. Mell November 16th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    “remember what a heart warming ovation Willie got when he was introduced at OTD, shortly after being fired by the Mets”

    Great guy and a underrated player, IMO. I know chicks dig the long ball and all that, but Willie was very good hitter. What a knack he had for getting on base. Terrific at 2B as well.

  233. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    GB-

    The Mets shafted Willie. Class guy in a classless org. They did him a favor.

  234. Betsy November 16th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Willie had to deal with a terrible clubhouse who backstabbed him…………and a front office who did the same. Carlos Delgado hated him and most Met fans think he probably tanked the first half of that season so the Mets would fire Willie………..Omar, Tony Bernarzard – they both got what was coming to them eventually. Gary Carter didn’t cover himself in glory either; he came on a radio show and practically begged for the job while Willie still had it. Making the man fly to the WC and firing him in the middle of the night? Disgusting

  235. Vineyard Yankee November 16th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    When he had the Mets job I always thought that he was six feet under before he even started. Like being snowed in without a shovel. I had the chance to meet him twice while he was still a player when the Yankees came to Oakland. Seemed really patient and down to earth type guy.

  236. upstate kate November 16th, 2010 at 8:32 am

    hmmmmm MTU, I still say mine are cuter! one of these days I will surprise you!

  237. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Let’s free Willie and bring him home. :)

  238. Betsy November 16th, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Count me as one chick who doesn’t give a hoot about the long ball……….I love Willie. I don’t know if or when he’s going to get another shot at managing and that’s a shame.

  239. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    GB7 -

    Good morning. You’re correct about Willie’s time with the Mets. He tried to bring class to a classless organization. The Mets will never be on a par with the Yankees, and that has nothing to do with W-L.

    They did not like the idea of hard work, respect and a no nonsense work ethic. To this day, the Mets lack discipline.

  240. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Randolph would be a very good personal instructor for guys like Gardner to work on his base running and especially his bunting. Gardner can steal because of his speed, but, not especially good at reading pitchers and knowing when to run.

  241. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Kate-

    You’re gonna have to prove it ! :)

  242. Tom in N.J. November 16th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Willie was the Yankees captain for a few years.

  243. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    MTU -

    Can you post my mops? I don’t know how.

  244. upstate kate November 16th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    MTU
    yeah, I do have some pix on my home computer, and your instructions, so one of these days I will post the cutest dogs ever…IMO :)

  245. pat November 16th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    From Ken Davidoff……

    “Andy Pettitte……….. friends of his believe the lefthander will return for a 17th season.”

    Fans of his believe so too.

  246. Erin November 16th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    pat November 16th, 2010 at 8:37 am
    From Ken Davidoff??

    ?Andy Pettitte???.. friends of his believe the lefthander will return for a 17th season.?

    *********************************

    :D

  247. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    GB7 -

    Let’s do it right this ST. Bring in Willie, Mick the Quick and Rickey Henderson. Let’s teach guys how to read pitchers, how to bunt, and work that young IF talent to get max return.

  248. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    pat -

    That’s great to hear.

  249. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    kate -

    After you see my 2, you’ll be in love.

  250. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Al-

    here you go :

    These are Al’s pups.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/cy....._P20NXoQQ#

    That’s Princess (female) on the left, and Nikki (male) on the right.

  251. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Morning, Al and all. Blame that mess in Flushing on the ownership. It’s one thing to not interfere in everyday operations, it’s quite another to not step in an correct the biggest mistake….hiring Minaya.

  252. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    GB-

    It appears they finally got the message and cleaned house.

    Took them long enough. What a bunch of dorks.

  253. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    MTU -

    Thanks my friend.

  254. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Henderson is still under contract with Oakland. Bringing Randolph back into the organization would be a good thing for the team. For one thing, the organization needs a good bunting, base running and infield instructor for the kids. There were few anywhere that were better at all three of those facets of the game.

  255. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    GB7 -

    Minaya is, and always has been a joke. He’s proof, you can steal lots of money, without using a gun. Whatever he got paid to be a GM was wasted money. I think Chip would have done a better job.

  256. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Al-

    You’re welcome. My pleasure. Glad I could help.

    :)

  257. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    GB7-

    What about Mick the Quick Rivers? I love to see him at ST as well.

  258. Vineyard Yankee November 16th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    MTU:

    Can you recommend a safe site to set up some pictures to post ? I think the cutest dog contest is on the horizon.

  259. Fran the original November 16th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Good morning all.

    Randolph did get shafter by the Mets. Would be nice to see him back with the Yankees in some capacity.

    GB,
    Hope you are doing well.

  260. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Rivers is a good person and a Hell of a player, but, at times tends to get sidetracked with the ponies and dogs. He’s perfect in ST, though.

  261. Fran the original November 16th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    That would be shafted.

  262. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Al-

    I don’t think, I KNOW chip could have done a better job.

    You can see how Made-off could have snookered Wilpon if a guy like Minaya was able to hang around.

    For a guy with a lot of dough Wilpon sure lacked common sense.

  263. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Good morning all.

    Great pup-pics!

    Found a 2003 article about Rick Peterson and some of his unconventional methods. Was he the Brewer pitching coach when CC was there? Any thoughts on him? Still hoping the Yankees can convince the White Sox to let pitching coach Don Cooper out of the last 2 years of his contract to coach for the Yankees. offer them kei Igawa?

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...../index.htm

  264. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    GB7 -

    Don’t they race dogs in FL.? Mick is a character for sure, but in the limited setting of ST, I’m sure he’d be an asset.

  265. Erin November 16th, 2010 at 8:54 am

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  266. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Morning, Fran. Thank you for the kind words. Just a little washed out after the past week, but, not bad at all. I got a new supply of Snark pills and should be at the top of my game shortly.

  267. Vineyard Yankee November 16th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    BIG AL
    November 16th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    GB7 -

    Let’s do it right this ST. Bring in Willie, Mick the Quick and Rickey Henderson. Let’s teach guys how to read pitchers, how to bunt, and work that young IF talent to get max return.

    ===========

    Al…………………………………….a great idea ! But, ah do you really think Girardi will play some small ball ? This is really going to open a ‘can of worms’, oy vey !

  268. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    MTU -

    Common sense should never be confused with intelligence.

  269. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    VY-

    I use a program called “Picassa”. It’s a free download from Google’s website.

    You can create web albums with it.

    In that process you can designate any level of “secuirty” for your photos that you desire.

    From completely public to private.

    I have never had a problem using it. It’s a lot of fun. There are others but that’s my PF.

    Hope that helps.

  270. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Al, they race everything in Florida from the ponies, to dogs to snails.

  271. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Al-

    That’s for sure. ;)

  272. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 8:59 am

    GB-

    They don’t race armadillos do they ?

  273. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    VY -

    Yes, Girardi will play more small ball, if his players could execute the way they needed to. How often have there been situations where a bunt is needed, but is not laid down. I remember way back, when Phil Rizzuto use to go to ST and try and help guys learn the proper method of bunting. He said it then, and it’s true today, they need to learn how in the minor leagues.

  274. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Bringing in instructors like Randolph/Rivers isn’t about playing small ball. It’s about getting the best of the talents out of players like Gardner that you can. Nunez and Cervelli would benefit from that type of instruction. It’s also about instructing the minor leaguers so when they get to NYY, they have a full set of instructions and a full coat of polish.

  275. JEKIKASO November 16th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Morning all: BIG AL & MTU NICE PICS OF SOME GORGEOUS PUPPIES.

    1. Willie would be a great, IMO.

    2.Mickey Rivers could be a great instructor, if he is able to communicate what he know. Not alway easy, IMO

  276. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    GB7 -

    So that’s what they mean by; Snail’s Pace – the snail that brings them up to the gate.

  277. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Got to run, the pups want to go for their walk – Later.

  278. 108 stitches November 16th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    If Willie would accept, have him in spring training as an instructor then become the roving minor league infield instructor until a coaching position opens up with the big team.
    He’s originally from Holly Hill, S.C. the same area where Brett Gardner hails from.
    Maybe Rick Peterson will re-up with the Mets when they eventually hire a new manager.
    Gil Patterson is the best fit as the new pitching coach for the Yankees. His pitching philosophies are in line with what the Yankees need.

  279. MikeD November 16th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    There’s a back-story to the Leo Mazzone comment. We just don’t know what it is.

    It’s not something as simple as “Leo, you turned us down once before and you only get one chance” because MLB teams and the Yankees regularly give front-office people, coaches, and ballplayers second chances to come to the Yankees if they’re the best person for the job. It’s even more odd because Mazzone had a very legit reason for taking the Baltimore job, one that almost all people would respect. His best friend was then-Oriole manager, Sam Perlozzo. That’s what people in baseball do. They work with people they know, their friends, and people they respect.

    Along with Dave Duncan, Mazzone still has one of the best reputations in the game as a coach, even after his year-and-a-half in Baltimore where he had jack to work with. It’s easy, but sophomoric, to dismiss his great success in Atlanta because he was blessed with Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz. It ignores that he was the pitching coach that guided Glavine and Smoltz from their rookie seasons. It’s not as if Glavine was blessed with world-beater stuff. He had poor command, a high walk rate, and little idea how to pitch until he met Mazzone. Smoltz, on the other hand, had good stuff, but was totally raw until he worked with Mazzone. Maddux, who was already a top pitcher when he arrived in Atlanta, says Mazzone helped him maximize his skills and says he is easily the best pitching coach he’s worked with. He did have his best years under Mazzone.

    Beyond the big three, Mazzone built his reputation by taking marginally talented pitchers and helping them have good years while in Atlanta, be they named Denny Neagle or Jaret Wright. Just like Duncan, they got better when they worked with Mazzone and worse when they left. A study was done looking at Mazzone’s entire career, which showed that pitchers lowered their ERA 0.64 points when working with Mazzone, and that they increased more than 0.75 after leaving. No other pitching coach could show similar results.

    Okay, so I’m not Mazzone’s agent, and I’m not even suggesting he should be their hire. It’s just that Cashman’s words suggest he’s not telling the truth. The Yankees are about winning. So based on the above, Mazzone doesn’t get an interview, yet Mike Harkey does???!!!! Smells funny to me.

    My guess is Cashman must have felt mislead by Mazzone years back, perhaps believing he used the Yankees to drive up his price to get more from Baltimore, the team he always planned to go to. Fair enough. I can see why Cash would be upset. Another possibility is that Cash viewed Mazzone, even back in 2005, as more old school, and was forced into trying to hire Mazzone because of Steinbrenner. With George not around, Cash no longer even has to pretend he’s going to interview Mazzone, especially if he felt used by Mazzone a few years back. Related, there was developing tension between Cashman and Torre in the latter years regarding old school vs. new school. Cash wanted to move more toward advanced statistical analysis, while Torre resisted. The fact that Cashman wants to conduct these interviews at Yankee Stadium with their in-house video suggests they want a pitching coach they can integrate into their way of thinking. If that’s the case, Mazzone’s probably not the guy.

  280. 4 NYY November 16th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Still hoping for Rick Peterson.

    Hope Randolph is offered a job too. Very good player, coach, and teacher.

    Rivers ? Not so sure he’s a “teacher.” Like him though.

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