GM meetings officially begin
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2010 
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When you’re in Orlando for three days, and you’re expected to write Yankees stories each of those three days, the last thing you want Brian Cashman to say is this:
“I don’t expect to get anything done.”
Unfortunately, that’s the first thing Cashman said yesterday as a small group walked with him through the halls of this massive hotel complex.
On this first day of the general managers’ meetings, there’s a much better chance of Yankees rumors and speculation coming out of this hotel than actual Yankees news. But, when it comes to the offseason, you pretty much take what you can get.
The GMs have meetings most of the morning, but the hope is that enough people will be roaming around to make a lobby stakeout worthwhile. Other GMs might have something to say or do. Agents might have something to say. Even Cashman might have some mid-day insights.
You never know.
Good morning all.
Great pup-pics!
Found a 2003 article about Rick Peterson and some of his unconventional methods. Was he the Brewer pitching coach when CC was there? Any thoughts on him? Still hoping the Yankees can convince the White Sox to let pitching coach Don Cooper out of the last 2 years of his contract to coach for the Yankees. offer them kei Igawa?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...../index.htm
Chad-
Congratulations again on your sisters wedding.
If you get bored with the meetings go to Universal Studios-Islands of Adventure and ride the Spiderman attraction from the front row!
Chad-you could always head over to Disney World for the day.
Sea World was always our family favorite
Chad-
A good “gumshoe” reporter never looses his patience.
Something is bound to happen. Cash is just throwing out disinformation to keep you off his trail.
Stick with it.
Cashman going into stealth mode? That’s usually newsworthy….eventually.
I see it this way, Chad. You have three days to get stories and you already have your first story. A full day of how Cashman goes about telling you that nothing is happening. If he gave you all of the info now, you’d blow the whole wad and then have nothing left for the next 3 days. He wants you to ration out the stories. Keep the Yanks on the back page. Back pages are the place to be in NY sports.
REPOST:
Morning all: BIG AL & MTU NICE PICS OF SOME GORGEOUS PUPPIES.
1. Willie would be a great, IMO.
2.Mickey Rivers could be a great instructor, if he is able to communicate what he know. Not alwayS easy, IMO
Good morning all,
First of all, my old girl would give your mops a run for your money. Besides, MTU, Al, she is the most loving, sweetest pup in the world. Everyone loves her, warts and all. I don’t know how to put pics on the web so you will have to take my word for it.
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I love Willie and hope the Steinbrenners find a spot for him to help our guys; maybe somewhere in Management or on the field if there is an opening. I think he would buy into Girardi’s world too.
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I promised last night to get in touch with the right person at LoHud when I get home if I have a minute. I live in “their” country. Pat M. is more than a little concerned with losing our best posters. I will do my best.
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We are winging our way to NY today to get ready for Thanksgiving festivities at our place. To me it is a large family affair of 22 this year….a little smaller than usual. Along with that there are Drs. appts. and grandson visits. It is a packed, tiring visit. Then the long drive back to AZ. with our pup.
Chad, I have an idea:
First, write a story and in the first paragraph state Cashmoney says nothing is happening.
for the next article, place the statement in the middle of the story…
THEN>>>>write another article placing the statement at the end of the story.
The powers that be at LuHud will compliment your creative industriousness
and the readers desire to know the latest scoop will be satisfied!
safe trip SAS
Most winter meetings generate little real news. The reason is the explosion in communication technology which makes being in the same room virtually possible from thousands of miles apart.
Yankee Trader — good call on the “Spiderman” ride… it’s pretty cool even for an old guy (52) like me.
http://content.usatoday.com/co.....a/1?csp=34
Short Video of Tex from USA Today
Is Rick Peterson a good fit, or as some have said, is he too much of a “control freak,” and are his methods too unconventional? Was he with the Brewers when CC was there?
Thanks Kate,
I do look forward to being in Yankee country and seeing my grandson….my kids too..lol
If Willie Randolph would accept, have him in spring training as an instructor then become the roving minor league infield instructor until a coaching position opens up with the big team.
He’s originally from Holly Hill, S.C. the same area where Brett Gardner hails from.
Between Willie and his former teammate in the ’70′s (Mickey Rivers), they can make Gardner a special project in spring training to improve his bunting and baserunning skills.
Maybe Rick Peterson will re-up with the Mets when they eventually hire a new manager.
Gil Patterson is the best fit as the new pitching coach for the Yankees. His pitching philosophies are in line with what the Yankees need. A stickler for repeated delivery and a good eye for mechanical flaws.
SAS-
I’ll take your word on pretty much anything you say.
travel well.
..I hate the off season. Would 300 baseball games really be the worst thing in the world?!
MTU:
Thanks for the picture info. I will work on it.
From MLB-Rumors-R-Us:
•According to Jorge Ebro at El Nuevo Herald, 17-year old Cuban centerfielder Yasiel Balaguer has defected to Nicaragua with hopes of signing with a Major League team. Ebro cites reports saying Balaguer’s big draws are his explosive speed and throwing arm, though he has shown some offensive power as well in the Cuban National Series
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You gotta think that the Yankees will be deep into this one.
all the talk about Boston getting Adrian Gonzalez is somewhat laughable, because they don’t have all that much that’s ready to help on the farm, certainly not for a Gonzales type. They’d have to start with their “future shortstop, add Buchholz, or at the very least, Kelly and Anderson. They’d be better off lowering their sights and take a run at James Loney of the Dodgers.
To settle the cutest pup issue perhaps we should have another contest.
We could call it GTCP (Guess The Cutest Pup).
I answered my own question. Peterson was the Brewers coach just last season and was replaced by Rick Kranitz, formerly of the Orioles.
Brewers team pitching ERA: 4.58, third from last in NL.
Orioles team pitching ERA: 4.59, next to last inAL
VY-
You’re welcome. Let me know if I can be of further service with the program.
Has Cashman ever said that he expects to get something done? I don’t think so. Starting in center field: Bubba Crosby…
MTU November 16th, 2010 at 9:30 am
To settle the cutest pup issue perhaps we should have another contest.
We could call it GTCP (Guess The Cutest Pup).
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If this was 30 years ago, my vote is with Ann-Margret having the cutest puppies….or are we talking about something completely different?
Hi Shame, I thought we lost you to hockey
GB
Adrian Gonzalez would be a questionable pickup now as he is just recovering from shoulder surgery and faces 4-5 months of rehab. Suspect that club will have to wait until mid season to trade him, if Hoyer wants to maximize return.
SAS:
Happy Trails !
GB-
That is certainly understandable. My money would be on Claudia Cardinale, Anita Eckberg, or Ursula Andress though for cutest puppies.
maybe we should just be Hush puppies on this.
It’ll take Hush money to be Hush puppies.
Don’t forget bridget bardot!
Yeah, MTU. Hollywood was a real puppy mill back then.
SAS-have a great trip!
Meant to capitalize the two B’s in her name!
Too bad for the Sux that ‘Gonzo’ is on the shelf after shoulder surgery. Supposedly won’t be ables to swing a bat for several months.,
GB-
Excuse me a moment while I go and get a napkin to stop my drooling.
Watching Ann-Margret on stage at the fire bases was like watching two puppies wrestling under a silk balanket.
On the other hand, I suppose watching Rosie O’Donnell would be like watching 2 pit bulls at Michael Vick’s farm.
MTU:
I will and thanks again. I’m in on the cutest pup contest with my pack of dogs.
MTU-
LMAO. Try a cold shower!
Thanks for the good wishes.
You all will be advised of our outward progress toward AZ as I did this past Spring. It is a very long drive….my husband insists on doing all the driving..so I get a bunch of naps. When I look at the speedometer I get nervous, so pup and I sleep.
GB-
If I needed to purge myself for some reason I’d watch Rosie.
No other reason.
I was watching a Nat Geo about great migrations the other night.
I think I saw Rosie trying to haul herself up onto a beach during it.
Thames going to Japan?
Marcus Thames is working on a deal with Japan’s Softbank Hawks.
Thames posted a solid .288/.350/.491 batting line, 12 home runs and 33 RBI in 212 at-bats with the Yankees this year, but he’ll be lucky to find a job as a regular in the bigs for 2011 and the money might even be better in Japan. Patrick Newman of NPB Tracker passed along the report.
SAS,
Safe travels.
MTU,
As long as mine gets the Grand Dame award, I am happy with that. Mine is larger than your mops.
SAS-
“When I look at the speedometer I get nervous, so pup and I sleep.”
You mean he takes the Bugatti instead of the Vette ?
MTU November 16th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Cold, cold, cold !
Fran,
When I have a minute, I want to email you. I have your address from sometime in my distant past. So, if you hear from me, you will know I am OK and not some troll.
Thanks for the good wishes
SAS November 16th, 2010 at 9:44 am
‘Don’t look at the speedometer’………………..Just think when you nap through it before you know it you will be there !
Ed, hate to see Thames not be re-signed by NYYs, but, Japan is Thames last real chance at some big money. He would have a chance to break Tuffy Rhodes and Randy Bass’ home run records there.
YT-
It wouldn’t help.
I’d need to visit the Arctic.
Ed
November 16th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Thames going to Japan?
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Sayonara Marcus !
MTU,
I am not exactly sure what a Bugatti is, but if it is fast, the answer is yes.
Oh, Oh….Boston’s cornered the market on Buchholzes. They just signed Taylor Buchholz. Cashman is sleeping again.
SAS-
It’s a hand built 200 + street legal off-the-charts expensive motor car.
Or should I just call it a land rocket.
I would pay to ride in yours.
Chad:
A couple of Bloody Marys and then a nap. By then the meetings will pass and the BS will be flowing in the lobby for you.
GB-
We still beat Boston every time.
They have 2 B’s and we have 3.
They lose out again.
MTU,
We only do about 600 miles a day if my back can stand that much. I don’t think we need the Bugatti this trip, but to say he has a lead foot is an understatement. We also have to stay on paved roads and the like. I am a princess.
The first few years was fun, but by now it is ‘old hat’, and we don’t stop to see anything other than the highway for days on ends…yuck.
SAS,
Look forward to hearing from you.
SAS-
You could always make a “pit stop” in Utah for some refreshments.
Back the the “they should hire Leo Mazzone” ranks. He was a HOF pitching coach in Atlanta because he had 3 HOF pitchers on the staff. Send him to Baltimore and he became “Who is that bum?”. Sorry, just not that impressed with his “genius”.
GB-
And not only that our B’s are natchal born killers.
Back ***to*** the “they should hire Leo Mazzone” ranks
Good morning, all –
Chad – appreciate the efforts. As many have said, the Yankee beat is a 12-month a year job. Keep up the great work.
And on that note…. We’re packing to go on a vaca to the City of Lights, Paris. We were originally supposed to do this a year ago, but illness intervened. Now, it’s full steam ahead. I am looking forward to a trip filled with drinking, eating, and sleeping. Throw in a little culture, and who could ask for anything more? I know you all will miss my wit and wisdom. GB – I’ll keep track of the cuisine, ’cause I know you’re interested in my eating well. I’ll check in now and then, to try to keep up with Yankee news, as well as the fights and impersonations here.
My bet – Gil Patterson will be the new pitching coach.
See ya!
GB-
I think the Yankees should coninue to help support the sagging economy.
In that regard, I think they should also hire MM as our preventative injury assistant pitching coach.
MTU November 16th, 2010 at 10:02 am
GB-
And not only that our B’s are natchal born killers.
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As long as the can pull the stingers out of those northern “B’s”, I’m happy.
Joe-
If you see BB tell her I say hi.
Have a safe and wondrous trip filled with gastronomic delight.
MTU November 16th, 2010 at 10:04 am
GB-
I think the Yankees should coninue to help support the sagging economy.
In that regard, I think they should also hire MM as our preventative injury assistant pitching coach.
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Not so sure that Marilyn Monroe was very good at preventing injuries. She had to cause a lot of accidents just walking down the street.
“It must be the way the weight is distributed. Like Jell-o on springs.”
have a wonderful trip Joe
GB-
You’re right about that.
Now I have to go and take another cold shower.
AnthonyMcCarron
Bob Watson, a former Yankee (and Yankee GM), is retiring at the end of the year from his gig as MLB’s dean of discipline.
Here’s another reason for a shower, MTU.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMV6LJIViC0
GB-
Whew !!!!!
I’m definitely going to Hell.
Yeah, but, what a way to go.
Joe, Bon Voyage and have some delicious food for me.
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MTU,
How will I know your house? Is it the one with mops on top. Too bad Utah is so far out of our way. Mrs. MTU would love it too.
Well all it is time to pack up the laptop so I will be in touch tonight from NY.
I hope something exciting happens while I am out of touch.
SAS-
I’d keep a light on for ya’.
What route do you take ?
Holy crap. I just accidently turned on ESPN and they showed Colin Cowherd. I thought I was looking at a rerun of the old Batman shows and “The Riddler”, Frank Gorshin was on the loose again. Had never seen him before. I’m hoping this was a once in a lifetime experience.
Well. I guess SAS is already on her way.
It’s time for the daily dose of “pupdemonium” and our daily walk.
The boys insist as usual.
Here’s what the young kids and not so young kids are doing in winter ball.
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/org.jsp?id=nyy
from Olney:
“Rival general managers are speculating that the Yankees could emerge as a big-time bidder for Rafael Soriano, paying him big dollars to be their set-up man.”
H-wired, I can only see that happen if Soriano gets word from Rivera that this is his last year coming up.
Joe from Long Island, I know restaurant recomendations in Paris are a dime a dozen, but here’s mine: a hipster Moroccan place called 405 (named after an iconic Peugot model), I think it’s relativelt close to the Pompidou museum.
I can try to be more specific on info if you’re curious.
Have fun.
In the last 20 years, how many pitchers got better after they came to the Yanks as a free agent or in a trade?
Whatever the situation was with Leo Mazzone in Baltimore, and leaving aside Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine, for whatever reason when Mazzone was in Atlanta pitchers consistently got better when they went there, and worse when they left.
Not that I’m pushing Mazzone. Just saying people should give him his due.
Maybe they got better for a year or two under Mazzone, but, after that, they also got hurt and then moved on. They got worse after getting hurt.
that would make sense, GB7. I can’t imagine Soriano agreeing to set-up for more than one yr.
my logical side says it would be a brilliant move by the Yanks.
my sentimental side says it would mean the final season for Mo, and that’s like a punch to the gut.
Hi upstate kate! As it turns out, the Devils are about as good as the Mets were last season.. I’m trying to stay positive but knowing there are only 90 days till pitchers and catchers has been a nice thought to keep in the back of my head…
Leo Mazzone was incredibly overrated after his years in Atlanta, IMO
Let the unsubstantiated, speculative, ridiculous, absurd, preposterous, unreasonable, incongruous, nonsensical, irrational, illogical, laughable, untrustworthy, unscrupulous, meretricious, duplicitous, apocrypha, fallacious, nonsensical, impossible, incredible, outrageous
. . . rumors begin.
“Maybe they got better for a year or two under Mazzone, but, after that, they also got hurt and then moved on. They got worse after getting hurt.”
Mazzone coached in Atlanta for 15 years and in fact his pitchers had fewer injuries than usual. Some credit his throwing system, others don’t.
Make that restaurant 404. I don’t know much about Peugeots.
http://www.placesinfrance.com/.....paris.html
wcyf — LOL LOL
Jackie Chiles is in the house.
Maybe the most ridiculous thing Kabak at RAB has ever said.
“The Yanks like his (Jobas) stuff in the pen and clearly view him as the heir apparent to Mariano Rivera if he can keep his head in the game”.
Maybe the most ridiculous thing Kabak at RAB has ever said.
“The Yanks like his (Jobas) stuff in the pen and clearly view him as the heir apparent to Mariano Rivera if he can keep his head in the game”.
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Yeah that is pretty crazy. We all know that Joba is going back to the rotation where he will become an ace.
hardwired7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Jackie Chiles is in the house.
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This is always a good thing.
if AP does retire, hopefully it’s a soft one. if/when the Yanks need another arm as the season grinds on, he can pull a Clemens and step into the rotation.
Andy will stay in shape even if he does “retire.” like all gym rats, he’s never going to stop working out.
WCYF:
Good Morning. Wow ! Contrary to popular belief you are alive and well I trust ?
Avery, Merker, Woelers, even Smoltz, Naegle, Millwood, Chen, and Jason Marquez are some of the injury riddled troops under Mazzone’s watch. Not all are under him, but, if Torre can get hammered for handling of pitchers, then Cox and Mazzone deserve the same hammer.
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Watching Ann-Margret on stage at the fire bases was like watching two puppies wrestling under a silk balanket.
On the other hand, I suppose watching Rosie O’Donnell would be like watching 2 pit bulls at Michael Vick’s farm.
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More like 2 Bull Mastiff’s, lol
“The Yanks like his (Jobas) stuff in the pen and clearly view him as the heir apparent to Mariano Rivera if he can keep his head in the game”.
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What has he been lookin at ? ? ? Joba’s head has been and is up his arse.
Al, either way….not a pretty sight.
GB7-
You realize of course that makes no sense. I could argue your examples but frankly, I don’t really care. I’m not suggesting the Yanks go get Mazzone, I think that ship sailed some time ago.
To the blog in general, I’m more interested in that long list of pitchers who improved once they were traded to the Yanks or signed here as a free agent.
Which is more likely to occur:
a. Joba becomes the Yankees closer when Mariano retires.
b. Joba becomes a dependable starter in the Yankees rotation.
c. Joba retires and buys the Darr Feedlot in Cozad, Nebraska.
GB7 -
Thanks for the Winter Ball link.
Justin Christian seems to be doing real well. I liked him his first go around in SWB, and always thought he had a shot at sticking as a 4th OF. Any thoughts?
That list of pitchers were extremely talented and they all got hurt with 2 years, moved to other teams and then went down hill. Is Mazzone responsible for not fixing mechanical flaws? Seems like that might be his job. Smoltz, Avery and Mercker are the biggest examples.
Never thought much of Mazzone as a PC. Glad he’s not coming to the Yankees.
Nick – thanks for the tip. I wrote it down, will put it on the list.
WCYF:
Answer: ‘C’ only with a still in the hut out back of the feedlot.
Al, I’ve always thought that Christian was the perfect #4 for the Yanks. Outstanding defense in all three outfield spots, could play 2nd base in a pinch, burning speed, a little power and solid hitter. Why he has never gotten a full shot is strange. He’s played well at every step up the ladder. He could have been a better version of Gardner. Injuries have derailed his somewhat, but, he can play.
Cliff Lee rumors heating up.
http://twitter.com/NYYrumors/s.....0368202752
Vineyard they don’t have ‘huts’ in Nebraska.
GB7 -
Those my my thoughts from 2 years back, when he was an AS for SWB. The kid can hit, gap power, can run down most anything in the OF, and always a threat to run. He should have been up rather than Melky. Justin is a hard worker, so I expect he’ll still get his shot, although it may not be in NY.
Buster Olney:
“Cashman just entered the hotel lobby and took a cell phone call. He stopped to talk on the phone instead of walking and talking. I think a blockbuster is imminent”.
Maybe no huts in Nebraska but a lot of trolls in California.
Jesus…talk about California snobbery for no apparent reason. Everybod not from there are hicks, rednecks…
what idiots like that don’t realized is that a vast majority of their famililes came from places like Georgia, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma….pioneers and dust bowl refugees. get over yourselves. You’re nobody special.
I don’t think there enough names to make a list of pitchers who improved in NY, but there are some who did a much better job of keeping their sh*t together:
Jimmy Key and David Wells would be two good examples.
http://twitter.com/NYYrumors/s.....2202203136
I’m not sure I like the sounds of this:
“GMs say the biggest names already under discussion include former Cy Young winner Zack Greinke of Kansas City…All-Star right fielder Nick Swisher of the New York Yankees;”
http://content.usatoday.com/co.....r/1?csp=34
KenDavidoff The #Yankees have expressed an interest in free agent LHP Pedro Feliciano.
Oh shut up GB some of us are having a little fun that’s all – who made you the blog scold. But do excuse us for not talking incessantly about the inconsequential tripe that you babble about like this crap.
“On the other hand, I suppose watching Rosie O’Donnell would be like watching 2 pit bulls at Michael Vick’s farm”.
Swisher and a pitcher for a RF upgrade?
Can’t see Swisher getting moved unless the Yankees are getting a very good young pittcher and others included in packages going both ways. If that happens, only then, would I think NYYs go after Werth or Crawford, and Crawford would be the better fit, moving Granderson to right field.
Hardly the first time you two tulips have made remarks about anything or anybody not California based.
If it’s true the Yankees are thinking of moving Swisher, then they may indeed be going after Crawford. Please, no on either Upton Bros., not an upgrade to Swisher, and both have poor attitudes, I guess it’s a family trait.
Later folks, have a nice day.
JUSTIN UPTON available:
GMs say the biggest names already under discussion include former Cy Young winner Zack Greinke of Kansas City; All-Star first basemen Adrian Gonzalez of San Diego and Prince Fielder of Milwaukee; outfield brothers Justin Upton of Arizona and B.J. Upton of Tampa Bay; All-Star right fielder Nick Swisher of the New York Yankees; All-Star closers Bobby Jenks of the Chicago White Sox and Jonathan Papelbon of Boston; and infielders Dan Uggla of Florida; Jason Bartlett of Tampa Bay and Mark Reynolds of Arizona.
“I’m open to listening on anybody,” Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers said. “We got more hits on Upton and [Stephen] Drew. They’re difficult to move, but sometimes to make your club better, you have to move good players. You never know when a deal might present itself.”
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Hardly the first time you two tulips have made remarks about anything or anybody not California based.
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Jealous are we?
Cashman could be on the verge of reincarnating Babe Ruth, and he would say he’s not on the verge of doing anything.
I hope Swish doesn’t get moved.
Justin Upton of
10:$0.5M, 11:$4.25M, 12:$6.75M, 13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M
Al, I’d take Justin Upton is a heartbeat in a trade, but, the cost in talent would be astronomical. He’s still a bit rough around the edges, but, he’s no dog like his brother. He’s as good a young unrefined talent as there is in baseball. The Devil Rays would have to be willing to take Igawa and Justin Snyder straight up before I’d take on BJ Upton.
West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 11:37 am
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Hardly the first time you two tulips have made remarks about anything or anybody not California based.
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Jealous are we?
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You might be jealous. I’m sure as Hell not.
I agree Erin
Cash and Towers are buds.
If Upton is available we’ve got first dibs.
Why trade Swish ?
I’m mixed on Swisher ! . . . I like him ! … We’d better be getting something decent ! 30hrs and 90 Rbi’s is pretty good
Justin Upton, righty, speedy, plus defense, would thrive in a good lineup, 23, lowers payroll. Imagine Crawford (sorry Gardner fans), Granderson, Upton out there.
For the right price, Pedro Feliciano might be a good pickup as a complimentary LH piece for Boone Logan in the bullpen. Damaso Marte won’t be back until July – August, if at all.
Cashman has said he wants to have 2 LHP in the pen for 2011.
Upton in LF, GGBG in CF, and Grandy in RF.
But I still don’t want to trade Swish.
Poor Swisher he must hate hearing these rumors, he loves being a Yankee. But, he’s been dealt before it goes with the territory.
Odds are nothing happens but you can’t blame Cashman for the trial balloon.
Swisher is @$9M next season, & $10.25M in ’12 (with a $1M buy-out).
that 2012 contract would make moving him next season impossible.
Nick was a bust in the last two Octobers, but during the regular season he and Robbie seemed like the only two consistent bats in the lineup.
it’s a tough call.
Justin Upton and Drew and cash (make them separate trades to increase cash moved and pay off part of Swisher’s contract) for Swisher, Nova, Luis Nunez or Corbin Joseph, Adam Warren and Chamberlain. Look to move Drew for pitching.
i think our outfield is fine ! . . it might be a payroll issue ..
“I’m mixed on Swisher ! . . . I like him ! … We’d better be getting something decent ! 30hrs and 90 Rbi’s is pretty good”
I like him too. Also think he’s worth more to the Yankees than he’d bring in trade. He’s a great guy to have on a team like the Yankees, but he’s not a guy you build a team around. Can’t imagine anyone parting with good young pitching for a guy like Swisher.
I would just as happily include Granderson in a trade for Upton and keep Swisher.
Definitely connections with Arizona…Danny Haren talks, Kevin Towers…now we’re hearing Swisher is on the block and so is Justin Upton…hmm.
Lee AND Crawford anybody?
“Justin Upton and Drew and cash (make them separate trades to increase cash moved and pay off part of Swisher’s contract) for Swisher, Nova, Luis Nunez or Corbin Joseph, Adam Warren and Chamberlain”
Take a lot more than that.
I would be shocked if Swisher were to get dealt….if he does then you have to think Cash has big plans for a replacement.
MTU,
Got your package, very cool. Thanks bud.
‘Zona needs two things, money and good young players, especially young pitching….two things that NYYs have a lot of.
I once ordered some inconsequentiual tripe at a Paris bistro but as it turned out, there were consequences.
And as far as I can tell, California does have it’s share of rubes. So does New York. They’re everywhere these days.
hardwired7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Swisher is @$9M next season, & $10.25M in ‘12 (with a $1M buy-out).
that 2012 contract would make moving him next season impossible.
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How do you figure?
Some team can get him for 2011 and then choose to decline his 2012 option and take the draft picks. Swish will be a Type A free agent.
Blake-
Glad you liked it. Enjoy.
blake November 16th, 2010 at 11:50 am
I would be shocked if Swisher were to get dealt
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blake, I would be too. I’m thinking (hoping) this is just talk.
I can’t see the rationale behind moving Swish, unless it’s for real good, and young, pitching. Pitching always rules. Otherwise, what’s the sense of moving an All Star RF who’s signed to a relatively reasonable contract? You just then open up another hole in your lineup. And, I really can’t see an OF of Crawford, Gardner, and Granderson. It’d be good defensively, but not enough pop.
I can see teams inquiring about Swish, for the obvious reasons, but I don’t see the logic in Cash moving him just to make a deal. Spinning your wheels for a lateral move? That seems like something that the Phillies did (the Lee-Halladay change), and I’m still trying to understand the logic there.
My move Granderson over swisher? Granderson had the same numbers as swisher had in his first NY season, huge upgrade in speed and defense, same power numbers, strikeouts similar.
From Cash’s own mouth last season :
“I will move any player in the right trade”.
***Why*** move Granderson over Swisher
Dealing Swish lowers payroll and allows for Lee AND Crawford. Justin Upton is younger, righty, a better defender. I don’t think AZ wants Swish…but it’s interesting that both Upton and Swish are being shopped.
I think the Yankees are more likely to deal Granderson before Swisher.
West Coast Yankee Fan
November 16th, 2010 at 11:24 am
Buster Olney:
“Cashman just entered the hotel lobby and took a cell phone call. He stopped to talk on the phone instead of walking and talking. I think a blockbuster is imminent”.
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OMG, he probably had to stop in order to get that pebble out of his shoe.
From Cash?s own mouth last season :
?I will move any player in the right trade?.
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This isn’t exactly true, is it. He’d never trade Mo and he can’t trade Alex.
Bret, wouldn’t the other team have to offer arbitration in order to receive the picks?
the other team runs the risk of Nick accepting arb. & getting awarded something north of $12M.
Now this is what I call fun.
Now we’re getting somewhere.
Don’t you have to offer a player arbitration and have the offer declined in order to get compensatory draft picks?
Or something?
We didn’t get any draft picks for losing Abreu, Damon, or Matsui to free agency, did we?
Maybe the rules are different for outfielders with wall/throwing/knee fluid issues.
Laura-
Of course.
GreenBeret7
November 16th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Yipee ! Keep taking those ‘snark pills’ ! LMAOAY !
Laura – I Bleed Blue November 16th, 2010 at 11:56 am
I think the Yankees are more likely to deal Granderson before Swisher.
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What’s your reasoning for that?
Our OF production killed us in the playoffs.
The main culprits were Gardner and Swish…2 years straight now.
Granderson is a keeper.
Changing Granderson for Upton (not necessarily in same deal)? An OF of Gardner, Upton, Swisher? Maybe. But, what would be the incentive for AZ to deal Upton? It would have to be some pitching package. Ditto Drew.
MTU,
I guess I have to take back all that bad stuff I said about you
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I should say I.would be shocked if Swisher were to be traded before knowing where Lee signs.
Joe, good thoughts, though I’d disagree. Granderson, assuming his corrections carry over (same can be said about Swisher) will provide the Swisher power and in YS, I think Crawford might offer some more power than normal…perhaps like Damon did with a slight adjustment. The speed on the bases would drive teams crazy…not just fast but high percentage of success. They’d give NYYs one of the top two defensive outfields in baseball. Love Swisher’s power and enthusiasm, but, he is replaceable. The downside is losing the switch hitting ability.
How do we know that Swisher is being shopped?
Perhaps other GMs are calling Cashman and asking about Swisher’s availability. These rumors don’t mean Cashman is shopping him.
I’d be very surprised if Swisher is moved. The outfield is one of their strengths.
Bret,
Are you doing NYYrumors?
If so please refrain from mixing in the real stuff from the juicy BS.
I’ve thought for a while our best move in the outfield would be moving Swish if we were serious about getting a guy like Crawford.
I think if we did that, our outfield might rank as the fastest in the league.
“But, what would be the incentive for AZ to deal Upton?”
Getting talented, cost controlled guys like Montero, Banuelos, Bettances, etc.
He won’t do it for B-listers.
I would love to see them move Swisher….I am sick of his disappearing act in the playoffs…imagine the speed in the outfield with Crawford,Gardner & Granderson! Add Lee and we are done!
“My move Granderson over swisher? Granderson had the same numbers as swisher had in his first NY season, huge upgrade in speed and defense, same power numbers, strikeouts similar.”
Defense aside, Swisher was better in both 2009 and 2010 than Granderson was in 2010. The only real similarities between Granderson in ’10 and Swisher in ’09 were BA and KO’s – Swisher was better in both OBP and SLG, and preserved that advantage in 2010.
Defensively I like Granderson of course, but Upton would replace the defense and allow Gardner to move to CF.
Joe-
Cash and Towers are buds.
Moreover, Towers is now completely familiar with our team and our farm system. He worked for us.
That could be the makings for some serious horsetrading if Towers is so inclined.
hardwired7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Bret, wouldn’t the other team have to offer arbitration in order to receive the picks?
the other team runs the risk of Nick accepting arb. & getting awarded something north of $12M.
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That’s true. The upside is the picks…provided Swish performs. The worst case scenario is a team simply declines the option and only has Swish for 2011.
He’s definitely moveable. That was my point i guess.
I’m not surprised to see him being shopped especially since I think the Yankees want both Lee and Crawford. Getting rid of Swish’s contract might be a necessary step.
“But, what would be the incentive for AZ to deal Upton? It would have to be some pitching package.”
Sure. But the Yanks have lots of AAA and AA pitching prospects.
There are very few players on the Yankees that wouldn’t be dealt for the right return. (not talking about the large contract boys and icons)
Blake-
Don’t let one little gift stop you.
Let me be clear about this. If the Yankees move Swish, I think they will replace him with Justin Upton, not necessarily in the same deal. Gardner would be traded as well.
The OF would be:
Crawford LF, Granderson CF, J. Upton RF
Bret-
If that becomes our new OF I’ll fall over dead.
Especially if we get Lee.
Whoa ! Wait a minute where’s my meds.
Oh, BTW, for those who wondered yesterday what Montero’s nick name would be…on Hot Stove last night he was referred to as “Monty” by Butch Wynegar
I’m sure living in California is sweet, but I know thing for sure:
you can’t get to Yankee Stadium in under 30 mins.
Hughes, Cano, Montero, Banuelos, Brackman and Betances would be the last players that NYYs would consider moving in a deal. Other teams scouts and their mouth pieces will continually downplay the Yankee farm system thinking that just one word from them will lower their value. Nobody pays attention to them except for fans and other mouth pieces.
IMO, the only way for the Yanks to get someone like Upton would be to put someone like Hughes in the deal, not a Nova or a Brackman. Which means they would have to sign Lee first. Which means no payroll space for someone like Crawford or Werth.
I think getting younger is very much a priority for Cashman
Towers would have more knowledge of the Yankee farm system than about anyone else outside of the organization since he presumably had the Yankees scouting reports on all their system’s players. I would love Upton. Drew is very good as well, but I don’t see him replacing Jeter at this moment in time.
Kate-
I’d prefer “Susse” but “Monty” is a name filled with heroic glory.
After all, he defeated Rommel at “El Alamein”.
“Hughes, Cano, Montero, Banuelos, Brackman and Betances would be the last players that NYYs would consider moving in a deal”
Agreed, but can’t imagine them being players in a possible Upton deal w/o including two of them.
Signing Lee does not rule out Crawford, especially if Swish’s salary is moved.
It’s the opposite IMHO.
Getting better is more of a priority for Cashman than simply getting younger.
Morning, Mac. The Yanks “A” level teams are loaded with hitters and Scranton/Trenton have pitching up the kazoo, but, some really good bats. A promising future if the Yanks only hit on 25% of them. They’ll certainly need to start moving some of them or risk losing them in minor league free agency and Rule 5.
hardwired7
November 16th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
I’m sure living in California is sweet, but I know thing for sure:
you can’t get to Yankee Stadium in under 30 mins.
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You got that right !
GF-
This: Crawford, Grandy, Upton
is better than
This: GGBG, Grandy, Swisher
IMO. Especially going forward.
Where’s my Nitro ?
I know it ain’t happening though. Fun to dream.
MTU November 16th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Kate-
I’d prefer “Susse” but “Monty” is a name filled with heroic glory.
After all, he defeated Rommel at “El Alamein”.
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Monty also plays a mean hand of 3 card…and of course is quite the comedian.
There’s no reason to get younger for the sake of getting younger.
However, if getting younger means getting better (or taking a half step back in order to be better in 2012 on) and spending less while doing so, then there’s a reason to get younger.
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Hughes, Cano, Montero, Banuelos, Brackman and Betances would be the last players that NYYs would consider moving in a deal.
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I don’t think I’ve got anything to worry about, but Cashman and I would have major issues if he were to trade Robbie.
If the right deal comes into play for Swisher and it improves the team, pull the trigger. If Cashman has trouble I’ll be willing to help him.
GB-
That’s why the name is so good.
It has it all.
Erin November 16th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Hughes, Cano, Montero, Banuelos, Brackman and Betances would be the last players that NYYs would consider moving in a deal.
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I don’t think I’ve got anything to worry about, but Cashman and I would have major issues if he were to trade Robbie.
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You do have a thing for those lazy, no range 2nd basemen, don’t you? Shocking that you’re not all in for that Boston Dwarf.
“I don?t think I?ve got anything to worry about, but Cashman and I would have major issues if he were to trade Robbie. ”
Major issues as in he’d need to take out a restraining order against you?
Let’s not get too carried away about the cost for Justin Upton. You have to look at all the money owed to him and that contract AZ gave him through 2015.
I think it’s definitely a factor in curbing his trade value a tad.
He’s owed a ton of money and just posted a .799 OPS.
Would you want to owe an .800 OPS player 14.25 million in 2014 and 14.5 million in 2015?
Justin Upton of
10:$0.5M, 11:$4.25M, 12:$6.75M, 13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M
MTU November 16th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
GB-
That’s why the name is so good.
It has it all.
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Just an all around Jack….errr…Monty-of-All-Trades.
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
You do have a thing for those lazy, no range 2nd basemen, don?t you? Shocking that you?re not all in for that Boston Dwarf.
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LMAO
Keebler can stay in his tree in Boston.
Giuseppe Franco November 16th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Getting better is more of a priority for Cashman than simply getting younger.
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The two are not mutually exclusive
Erin’s dream of a lifetime is to see Bert replace Cano at 2nd base when Robbie retires.
# MTU November 16th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
GF-
This: Crawford, Grandy, Upton
is better than
This: GGBG, Grandy, Swisher
IMO. Especially going forward.
Where’s my Nitro ?
I know it ain’t happening though. Fun to dream.
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Sure it would. But it would also cost a ton in terms of money (Crawford) and prospects (Upton). Crawford alone is going to cost twice as much as both Gardner and Swisher combined.
Imagine what Towers would be asking for in return for Upton? He’s well aware of the gems in the Yankee system, especially catchers and young arms.
And Crawford would cost $20M.
Seems like a big overhaul for an outfield that was a strength last season. And they haven’t addressed the rotation yet – which, by all accounts, is their primary focus this offseason.
Bret-
The reason you trade for Upton is because you believe he will continue getting better. If you don’t think he will, then you don’t trade for him.
Laura – I Bleed Blue November 16th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
?I don?t think I?ve got anything to worry about, but Cashman and I would have major issues if he were to trade Robbie. ?
Major issues as in he?d need to take out a restraining order against you
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pretty much.
Erin-
Fear not. I have the inside scoop on Robbie.
He is safely tucked away with his GG and SS awards behind the walls of Ft. Knox.
He’s untouchable.
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Erin?s dream of a lifetime is to see Bert replace Cano at 2nd base when Robbie retires.
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That would be awesome! I’ve always thought Bert would make an excellent baseball player.
Wave Your Hat November 16th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Bret-
The reason you trade for Upton is because you believe he will continue getting better. If you don’t think he will, then you don’t trade for him.
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True but money is always a factor. I think in this case it holds his trade value in check. AZ won’t be able to move him at an inflated price. He’s not cost controlled after 2011.
MTU-good to know.
Yes, and Erica’s in Florida trying to talk the Steinbrenners and Cashman to sign Ernie to replace Jeter.
# West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
The two are not mutually exclusive
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Sometimes, they are.
They let Molina go last season because of cost and the emergence of young Cervelli and it hurt them because Cervelli was terrible.
Bert might be pretty good, but, his peripherals don’t support that, Erin.
GF-
Moving Swish negates some of the added cost.
GGBG has big value to some teams.
Our farm is exploding with talent. We need to start moving some of it.
Use it or lose it.
Just saying.
I’m 1000% committed to CL. You know that. He’s numero uno.
All good fun GF.
Lets say we land Upton !. . theres no point in getting Crawford ? ,, anyways .. I could care less what we do in the outfield ! . . as long as we sign Lee
Bret:
Upton’s contract will be of great appeal to most teams. Of the 29 other teams in baseball, 0 would pass on him because of his contract. He’s a very talented kid who a team could have for an average of less than $10M per season for the next 5 years. He’ll cost a boatload to move.
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Bert might be pretty good, but, his peripherals don?t support that, Erin.
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Awww…come on GB, he can do it. He might just surprise you.
It still suprises me when teams try to move good players. Upton is the kind of kid you should hold on to. Yet Towers has him on the market. Look at all of the players that PIT moved that were borderline superstars. Can you imagine the team they could have fielded if they’d just held on to some of those guys?
Mell,
I never said a team would pass on him because of his contract.
I said that his large contract will make it impossible for AZ to move him at an inflated price.
He’s not a cost-controlled young player with upside.
He’s a pricey young player with upside.
You can’t ignore the money.
Off topic:
This thought just occurred to me.
If you want to know what “perpetual motion” is really all about just watch Leo Mazzone.
He’s the answer to the riddle of the ages.
How do you create the perfect “perpetual motion” machine ?
GB….Ann Margaret, silk sheets, sign me up
Florida is making a run at John Buck. Somewhere in utah, Theo Epstein is renting all of the hotel rooms within 200 miles of Buck’s home….surely just wanting to help out the economy.
Erin November 16th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Bert might be pretty good, but, his peripherals don?t support that, Erin.
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Awww…come on GB, he can do it. He might just surprise you.
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sorry, Erin, but, his career has always been a little fuzzy.
MTU,
I get it. I just think people’s minds run wild when they play GM and don’t tend to be realistic about it.
New Post: Slow start in Orlando
GB-
I didn’t know Buck was from UT. I just looked it up. Funny stuff.
By the way, If Epstein were to show up here there is a standing order to shoot to kill.
He’d never get that chance to help the Economy.
Might help out a local Mortuary though.
“I said that his large contract will make it impossible for AZ to move him at an inflated price”
I know what you said. Just pointing out that you’re wrong. It’s not an inflated price. Zona’s reason for moving him would not be motivated by money. It would be motivated by talent. It’s not a salary dump. If he’s not getting mega talent back, Towers won’t move him. He’s said as much.
Pat M. November 16th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
GB….Ann Margaret, silk sheets, sign me up
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Morning, Pat. Yes…sign me up. I would have settled on her in flannel pajamas. Quite the beauty and is still every VN vet’s favorite lady. She has always found time to spend extra time at book signings to talk to “her boys”, as she calls them. I went to one and had her sign a photo i took of her on stage as well as the book. That was a no-no and they were getting a bit upset, but, she just ignored them.
MTU:
You are not leaving the light on for Theo ? A candle ? LMAO !
GF-
Yup. It’s easy for some to get carried away.
Hope you are 99.9 % now.
VY-
Utah is Yankee Country !
We convince Red Sox fans that the Desert is a welcoming place. We encourage them to try it out. To explore it fully. We also tell them that they’ll just find water along the way and not to bother bringing any.