Rosenthal: Buck close to Marlins deal
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2010 
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I’m still in the lobby posting from my phone, so I have no idea how to post a link, but Ken Rosenthal has reported on Twitter that the Marlins are close to a three-year deal with John Buck.
I’ve been surprised at the number of emails I’ve gotten from fans wanting the Yankees to sign Buck, some thinking Buck would accept a deal as a non-everyday player.
I’ve never seen the two sides as a perfect match. I’m certainly not surprised to see him heading elsewhere.
Jerkface November 16th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Swisher offers position versatility as well. He can play every OF position (CF in a pinch) and 1B.
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I saw him in Chicago – He can’t play CF. And I doubt he could play a passable LF in a stadium like Yankee Stadium.
I would sign swisher 4-48 in a heart beat. Listen to yourself. You have no knowledge of what the contract market is for players. 12 mil is a deal for quality outfielder. Thats less than JD Drew, Matsui, or Damon got.
Chip, you’re out of touch on this topic, I suggest you back off.
Too bad Boston.
Buck will be a nice little addition to the Marlins.
I think Boston is pretty disappointed in losing out on him – which always makes me happy. I wouldn’t expect Buck though to produce for Florida the way he did for Toronto.
Nick Swisher wasnt even the 10th worst CFer in baseball in 2008. Below average? Yes. But certainly passable.
Chip, I don’t see anyone arguing about Swisher’s next contract. But he’s under team control through 2012 at a good price – what’s the objection?
Chip-
Buck is a Wyoming/Utah guy. He doesn’t belong in suxer’s country.
Utah is Yankee country.
Jerkface -
You would sign Nick Swisher to a 4 year deal? Really? I would certainly rather spend that (and a little more) on a younger player with greater upside like Carl Crawford or on a kid with almost unlimited upside like Justin Upton.
Those guys are cornerstones – they’re the guys you build around and with. Nick Swisher is a role player and $12 mil a year is a lot for the role he plays.
No GM out there is saying “guys – we’ve got to go and get Nick Swisher!”
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That is exactly was is happening if you believe the rumors that his name has been a hot topic.
He has been one of the better OF in baseball the past 2 seasons.
Relative to other OF I really don’t think you understand how good he is. Only TWO OF have hit more HR the past two seasons.
kate-you’ll have to think of another surprise move for Cashman to make.
altho I was one who wanted Buck, let the record state I never emailed Chad about it
How is Nick Swisher a role player? On the Yankees he may be because they are filled with HOF.
On just about every other team in baseball he is a middle of the order 3-5 hitter.
Sorry kate.
Any others ?
“They were the same. If you give granderson 5 HRs, 18 doubles, 20 RBI, 50 hits, and 40 walks.”
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It’s easy to not use magic numbers when you can just make stuff up.
You would sign Nick Swisher to a 4 year deal? Really? I would certainly rather spend that (and a little more) on a younger player with greater upside like Carl Crawford or on a kid with almost unlimited upside like Justin Upton.
Those guys are cornerstones – they’re the guys you build around and with. Nick Swisher is a role player and $12 mil a year is a lot for the role he plays.
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No one who on bases .360+, 80+RBIs,25+HRs,30+doubles, switch hits and plays good defense is a role player. Your point of view is tainted by his role on the yankees. He is a 3-4-5 hitter on a team that isn’t loaded with super stars. A guy any team would want to pay 12 million because its likely under value.
You’re not spending ‘alittle more’ on Crawford, you’re spending 35 million+ more, and Upton? you’re trading multiple young talents for him AND swisher.
Didn’t understand the fascination with Buck. Career .300 OBP. Borderline average defense. 3 year commitment to a guy whose 2010 season was something of an outlier? Seems steep.
What are all these GM’s offering for Swisher? Hopefully something good.
Kate,
well I wont predict any surprise move that involves trading Hughes, Cano or Swish/Grandy/GGBG
Wave –
My objection (which isn’t really an objection – just an observation) is that people are out of their minds when they talk about Nick Swisher as if he’s a vital cog on this Yankee team and the mere notion of trading him is heracy of the first order.
On an earlier posting I suggested that Kevin Towers would likely want at least a package of Hughes, Swisher and one of the B-Boys for Justin Upton and had someone actually compare asking for Swisher as if he were asking Boston for Pedroia.
It’s silly. Nick Swisher is a nice player, he’s got a reasonable contract – but he’s not in the same category as Pedroia. He’s at the peak of his trade value and yet I still can’t imagine a GM giving up a player like Justin Upton for a package built around Nick Swisher or the Yankees getting a haul of top level prospects for Swisher either.
Good player – yes
Do I like him – yes
Incredibly overrated by many on this blog – yes
Jerkface -
No one who on bases .360+, 80+RBIs,25+HRs,30+doubles, switch hits and plays good defense is a role player. Your point of view is tainted by his role on the yankees. He is a 3-4-5 hitter on a team that isn’t loaded with super stars. A guy any team would want to pay 12 million because its likely under value.
You’re not spending ‘alittle more’ on Crawford, you’re spending 35 million+ more, and Upton? you’re trading multiple young talents for him AND swisher.
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I must have missed his incredible years as a key contributor with the A’s and White Sox.
Erin November 16th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
kate-you’ll have to think of another surprise move for Cashman to make.
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Sign Bert and Ernie as the new DP combo and The Count as pitching coach? He wouldn’t even need a new clicker to keep track of pitch counts.
meanwhile, back at LoHud HQ:
“…and these servers over here we have set up just to handle Chad’s emails.”
The diamondbacks aren’t getting 2 all-stars in return for Upton.
“That is exactly was is happening if you believe the rumors that his name has been a hot topic”
Be easier to believe if this wasn’t the only place I’ve seen ‘em.
No Chip. You suggested the D-backs would open talks for Upton demanding Hughes + top prospect or Cano + top prospect.
I compared that to them asking for Pedroia + top prospect or Buchholz + top prospect.
Swisher had nothing to do with my post about Pedroia.
I must have missed his incredible years as a key contributor with the A’s and White Sox.
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95 RBIs as a 25 year old?
Swisher helped take the A’s to the ALCS as a 25 year old.
I wonder what the A’s would offer for Swisher. AZ wants young talent for Upton. I don’t think they’d be interested in Swisher at all.
Had the 2nd highest RBIs on the team.
Chip,
Name the teams where Nick Swisher would not be hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th.
I’m really surprised that the Yankees/Cashman don’t heed the advice in those emails you guys receive.
I’m starting to believe that you guys don’t even pass them on!
I’m almost certain of this because I have yet to see a press release announcing “Fitted Hat Giveaway Day”
And apparently they’re going to continue to use the polyester uniforms. Don’t they realize cotton breathes?
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Sign Bert and Ernie as the new DP combo and The Count as pitching coach? He wouldn?t even need a new clicker to keep track of pitch counts.
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I love it!
The Count would make an excellent pitching coach IMO.
Swisher is one of the top RF’ers in the game.
How is he overrated?
and 78 and 69 as a 26 and 27 year old.
How is he overrated?
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He isn’t, Chip is severely underrating him.
How much is VMart going to cost the Sox now? I would think his price just shot up. Surely Boston has no backup plan to deal with their catching situation.
LGY November 16th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
How is Nick Swisher a role player? On the Yankees he may be because they are filled with HOF.
On just about every other team in baseball he is a middle of the order 3-5 hitter.
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And there in lies the rub – if you take Swisher and make him a 3, 4, 5 hitter does he produce nearly as well as he does as a role player for the Yankees?
He’s been in the league for 6 full seasons 2 with the Yankees and 4 with the A’s and White Sox. He had 2 years posting very good OPS+ and then 4 years where he was average to sub average.
So the question is this – is Nick Swisher a cornerstone player – is he in the same category as a Carl Crawford, Matt Holliday, Jason Bay – or is he a guy who has benefited by playing on good teams?
I think if you surveyed most GM’s in the game they would say the latter over the former.
Erin November 16th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Sign Bert and Ernie as the new DP combo and The Count as pitching coach? He wouldn?t even need a new clicker to keep track of pitch counts.
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I love it!
The Count would make an excellent pitching coach IMO.
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Not to mention the money saved on counters and post game spreads. They don’t eat a lot. That would make Harkey, Sabathia and Chamberlain happy.
Swisher has 4 years where his OPS+ was 120 or better. He has 1 year average (his first) and 1 year below average (obviously a luck driven aberration)
Swisher may have been a role player with the ChiSox but he hasn’t been since he came to the Yankees, got in shape, and matured as a player. He’s a good player and a pretty impactful bat. The only reason you trade him is either in a deal for a significant upgrade or if you make the decision not to re-sign him after next season….wanting to get value before letting him walk in free agency. The Yankees generally don’t work that way which is why I just don’t see it happening unless its part of a package for a young superstar type player.
OPS is a stat you’re allowed to use in reference to any player in baseball except for Brett Gardner.
He’s had an OPS plus of 122 or better in 4 of his 6 seasons.
So the question is this – is Nick Swisher a cornerstone player – is he in the same category as a Carl Crawford, Matt Holliday, Jason Bay – or is he a guy who has benefited by playing on good teams?
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Swisher is going to get a contract with an AAV of 10-14 mil a year. Matt Holliday makes 17 mil, Bay makes 16 mil, and Crawford will get 18+ mil.
No one is saying Swisher will get paid like them.
“Be easier to believe if this wasn’t the only place I’ve seen ‘em.”
Spit out my coffee. HA!
Chip-
I think you are underrating Nick a bit.
That said, I agree that a trade for Upton would require Hughes and either Granderson or Swisher.
If the Yanks can sign Lee and re-sign Pettitte, I’d do that deal. I’d prefer trading Granderson rather than Swisher in that deal, but I’d do it either way.
What about you?
Yea….if this is true it may have thrown a monkey wrench in Theo’s plans.
“How much is VMart going to cost the Sox now? I would think his price just shot up. Surely Boston has no backup plan to deal with their catching situation”
Never believed they were that interested in Buck anyway. Think they have to go 4 years on Martinez, but had nothing to do with Buck and everything to do with other interested parties.
Swisher, overrated?? I always thought he was underrated.
Blake-
Poor theo.
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Not to mention the money saved on counters and post game spreads. They don?t eat a lot. That would make Harkey, Sabathia and Chamberlain happy.
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Very true!
I like Swisher a lot, but I am reticent to give anymore long-term contracts to players in or entering their 30s.
Nobody is demanding a Swisher trade, but, he’s a corner outfielder and easier to replace. A good player, but, quite likely just about at his peak. If NYYs do go after an outfielder, Swisher is the most logical to move. He’s less multi-dimensional than Gardner and Granderson.
I don’t think the Sox will get VMart. Could be an issue for them. I’m very upset, LOL.
LGY November 16th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Chip,
Name the teams where Nick Swisher would not be hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th.
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There are a ton of teams where he would be a middle of the order hitter. There are also a ton of teams that would have Carl Pavano in the front end of their rotation – it doesn’t mean he’s a front of the rotation starter. It just means that there are a lot of teams that aren’t as deep as the Yankees.
Fair enough. So they keep VMart. What about Beltre? Can they afford VMart + Beltre + Werth/Crawford?
“Swisher, overrated?? I always thought he was underrated.”
I think he might be both. Overrated among Yankees fans and underrated nationally.
GB7 just said it all and perfectly at that.
Swisher strikes me as one of those guys who does well when he’s happy and poorly when he’s not (re. his stint in Chicago). He is very happy being a Yankee. I don’t know if he produces as well on another team.
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Nobody is demanding a Swisher trade, but, he’s a corner outfielder and easier to replace. A good player, but, quite likely just about at his peak. If NYYs do go after an outfielder, Swisher is the most logical to move. He’s less multi-dimensional than Gardner and Granderson.
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THANK YOU – this is all I’m saying. I’m not downgrading Swisher but of the Yankee outfielders he’s the first I would consider moving and at the same time I don’t think he’s bringing back elite talent in return – not by himself.
I would not trade Hughes and Swisher for Upton, its a real gamble on a young player that basically strikes out as much as Swisher without walking as much. Hit .300 on the dot once, hit .250 and .270. Has only 1 strong power year.
If the Diamondbacks want that trade, I’d try to include the prospects. They’re not getting an all-star starter and outfielder and prospects.
“There are a ton of teams where he would be a middle of the order hitter.”
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Chip,
Then name them.
Sorry just saying a ton doesn’t mean anything.
“I’m not downgrading Swisher but of the Yankee outfielders he’s the first I would consider moving”
You seem very cavalier about losing 100 OPS points, 200 vs LHP.
THANK YOU – this is all I’m saying
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that is not all you were saying. You turned the argument into swisher as a role player that isn’t worth 12 mil a year.
WYH-
Grandy/Swisher, One of the Killer B’s, and Romine enough for Upton IYO ?
Hallady on the Felix vs CC AL Cy Young race.
“Obviously, Felix’s numbers are very impressive, but ultimately you look at how guys are able to win games.”
I think Swisher’s most likely trade destination is Oakland if he gets traded. Beane has a boner for him and he’d be the leader of the A’s offense. Clearly.
:I would not trade Hughes and Swisher for Upton, its a real gamble on a young player that basically strikes out as much as Swisher without walking as much. Hit .300 on the dot once, hit .250 and .270. Has only 1 strong power year.”
Give him a break, he’s only 22.
“Fair enough. So they keep VMart. What about Beltre? Can they afford VMart + Beltre + Werth/Crawford?”
No, I don’t think so. Assuming they do sign Martinez, which isn’t a lock, I’d say Beltre is a NO. Probably use Youkilis at 3rd because getting a 1B who can hit a little is an easier role to fill.
MTU-
I wish, but no.
The most I would give up for Upton is something like Swisher or Gardner, Romine or Sanchez, and one of the Killer B’s. I would probably throw in Joba as well.
jonmorosi
Source tells me that John Buck’s three-year deal with #Marlins could be worth more than $15 million. #Florida #MLB
20 minutes ago via web
“Beane has a boner for him and he’d be the leader of the A’s offense.”
Same Beane that traded him once already?
“Nobody is demanding a Swisher trade, but, he’s a corner outfielder and easier to replace. A good player, but, quite likely just about at his peak. If NYYs do go after an outfielder, Swisher is the most logical to move. He’s less multi-dimensional than Gardner and Granderson.”
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That might be true if the Yankees didn’t have a CF currently playing LF. If you trade Swisher OR Granderson you are still looking for a corner OF, because Gardner is misplaced in the corner.
You trade Swisher, you look for a RF. You trade Granderson, you look for a LF. It is the same exact thing, because the Yankees have Gardner so that argument doesn’t really mean anything.
In terms of being more multi-dimensional. What does that even mean? Do those dimensions make up for the huge drop in OPS and overall offensive production?
You could actually make an argument that Grandy is less dimensional, because he can’t hit LHP.
Give him a break, he’s only 22.
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Yea super young and all that, but what if he is JAcoby Ellsbury? Or Jeff Francouer? or BJ Upton? I don’t give up 2 major league starters and prospects on that.
You’re gambling that you can fill a SP slot, Granderson continues to excel, and Upton isn’t a sub-.800 OPS ofer going forward.
?There are a ton of teams where he would be a middle of the order hitter.?
Chip,
Then name them.
Sorry just saying a ton doesn?t mean anything.
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PIT, WAS, ARI, SEA, KC and BAL.
Wave Your Hat November 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Chip-
I think you are underrating Nick a bit.
That said, I agree that a trade for Upton would require Hughes and either Granderson or Swisher.
If the Yanks can sign Lee and re-sign Pettitte, I’d do that deal. I’d prefer trading Granderson rather than Swisher in that deal, but I’d do it either way.
What about you?
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Wave –
I think the Yankees would prefer trading Swisher.
Myself, I do the Hughes + Swisher + prospect for Upton deal in a heartbeat. Justin Upton is a stud and only 23 – he could be the Yankee RF for the next decade and an OF of Gardner, Granderson and Upton would be easily the best in baseball.
Sign Lee
Then either bring back Andy or sign de la Rosa (whom I fear like the plague but the Yankees seem to like) and let Nova, Phelps and Noesi battle it out for the fifth and final spot in the rotation.
WYH-
If it takes a PH and a guy like Swish I pass.
If the Sox pass on Beltre, he’s likely an Angel I bet.
I agree that it’s easier for the Sox to move Youk to 3b and worry about filling 1b.
Mell,
I have to agree with Shame. That was very funny, even though you used what I said to make that joke happen
OF of Gardner, Granderson and Upton would be easily the best in baseball.
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Defensively? Yes.
Offensively? Its predicated a lot on ‘potential’ , at some point you need production.
I believe AZ has zero interest in Nick Swisher:
SI_JonHeyman
regarding justin upton, hearing “nothing serious” so far. az wants young talent, and plenty of it, back. #dbacks
about 1 hour ago via web
Oakland is a different story.
IMO PH should be considered untouchable.
Dylan November 16th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
The most I would give up for Upton is something like Swisher or Gardner, Romine or Sanchez, and one of the Killer B’s. I would probably throw in Joba as well.
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You might, but NYYs aren’t. Sanchez is going nowhere. He’s shown the same bat as Montero at age 17 and good skills behind the dish.
Ah my fault Chip.
I thought you said there are a ton of teams where he wouldn’t be a middle of the order hitter.
Better would be for me to ask you what teams he wouldn’t. The list is not long. And that is the point of this whole conversation. He may be a role player on the Yankees, but he is a middle of the order cog on just about every other team.
Bret-
The Yankees have plenty of young talent to offer.
“IMO PH should be considered untouchable.”
Unless it was someone like Hernandez coming back, I can’t imagine he wouldn’t be.
Hey, what does everyone think about Jeter winning the Gold Glove? (ducking) : )
MTU November 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Bret-
The Yankees have plenty of young talent to offer.
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I agree but Swish is not the young talent Heyman refers to in his tweet.
“IMO PH should be considered untouchable”
If the Yanks sign Lee, and re-sign Andy, I don’t see why. What’s the point in having the best AAA rotation ever? You only need to fill one spot, if those guys are as great as everyone says one of them could pitch in the Yank rotation.
Erin -
The other day there was a conversation hear about Laura Posada’s book. I started reading it yesterday. I’m only one chapter in, and it’s very moving.
Mell-
that deal is not happening so I guess he is.
# GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
You might, but NYYs aren’t. Sanchez is going nowhere. He’s shown the same bat as Montero at age 17 and good skills behind the dish.
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But he is 17, and unlikely to ever reach his potential. Plus, the Yankees already have Montero waiting in the wings. You don’t think they would trade him for a 23 year old five-tool outfielder?
Hey, what does everyone think about Jeter winning the Gold Glove? (ducking)
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LOL! That horse has been beaten so badly that there are only bones left.
GB7
Also how is Gardner multi-dimensional?
You said all season Brett Gardner only has one skill. But now he is multi dimensional?
So Buck to the Marlins, VMart to the Red Sox, Beltre to the Angels, Werth to the Red Sox and Crawford to the Yankees.
Perfect.
Would AZ be interested in Gardner in a package for Upton?
Then move Swish for a closer.
Jeers
I think it is too early to begin the CC vs Felix for Cy Young debate
altho I do agree w/ Halladay
Bamuelos is at least two years away from NY and one of thos “B’s” is going to the bullpen. Burnett will be on his way out the door about the time that Banuelos is ready.
LGY –
Teams on which Swisher would be a middle of the order bat based on last year’s lineups:
AL East:
Baltimore
AL Central:
Tigers – depending on health issues
Twins – but not if Morneau was healthy
Royals
Indians
AL West
Oakland
Seattle
NL East
Braves
Nationals
he would not be a 3, 4, 5 hitter on a healthy Met team
NL Central
probably all
NL West
probably all
As I said – he would be a middle of the order hitter on a lot of teams. Just as Melky Cabrera would be a starting CF on a lot of teams or Carl Pavano would be a front line starter on a lot of teams.
Does that tell you more about Nick Swisher or does it tell you more about the fact that a lot of teams aren’t very good?
I said that Gardner’s talent were mainly based on his speed. He can hit, but, he can do things to do a better and more selective job of it. He has blinding speed and an outstanding defensive player. That part of his game, along with his throwing is the real surprise. I never said he was one-dimensional.
LGY November 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Ah my fault Chip.
I thought you said there are a ton of teams where he wouldn’t be a middle of the order hitter.
Better would be for me to ask you what teams he wouldn’t. The list is not long. And that is the point of this whole conversation. He may be a role player on the Yankees, but he is a middle of the order cog on just about every other team.
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Well now that I went through that long list I might as well do this one too…assuming of course full health and that we’re talking about last year’s lineups
Swisher would not be a middle of the order bat for:
NYY, Boston, NYM, Phil, Toronto, Texas, Florida Marlins, Tampa, or the Twins – you can argue St. Louis as well with the debate being between him and Colby Rasmus for the fifth spot.
Keep something else in mind folks –
If it wasn’t for an injury to Xavier Nady – Nick Swisher would have been a bench player for the Yankees in 2009.
He didn’t perform to the point that the club felt the need to play him – Nady blew out his elbow and was lost for the year.
Now, kudos to Swisher for making the most of his opportunity – but just remember, there was a ton of outrage on this and many other boards when Cashman brought Swisher in here and we were all told that he was the opening day first baseman.
Gotta love all the Swisher trade talk when Cashman likely has no interest in trading him.
I guess someone has to be the target this offseason.
It’s been Hughes, Gardner, and Montero the last couple of years so I guess people have to eventually move on to someone else.
FWIW, the only time Swisher has been a regular in the middle of an order was for about half a season in 2007, for a bad A’s team.
Melky Cabrera
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not anymore
I do NOT give up Phil Hughes for an outfielder. I don’t care how good he is, we’re the Yankees and we can buy good outfielders without trading Hughes IMO.
There was just as much outrage when the Yankees were going to start Nady over Swisher, a player with a heck of a worse track record.
MorningPerson November 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Erin -
The other day there was a conversation hear about Laura Posada?s book. I started reading it yesterday. I?m only one chapter in, and it?s very moving.
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MP-I actually did pick up a copy over the weekend. I got about halfway through it-it’s a pretty quick read. It’s really, although I have gotten choked up a number of times already. LOL
edit: It’s really *good*
I’ve been hanging around GB too much again.
ChipNovember 16th, 2010 at 3:47 Myself, I do the Hughes + Swisher + prospect for Upton deal in a heartbeat.
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Trading Hughes + anyone for Upton would be foolish.
And thankfully Cashman wouldn’t do it.
NYY, Boston, NYM, Phil, Toronto, Texas, Florida Marlins, Tampa, or the Twins
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NYY, agree
Boston, disagree he would hit 5th
NYM, disagree would have been the best hitter on the 2010 mets
Phil, disagree he’d hit 5th unless they retained Werth
Toronto, disagree he’d hit 5th
Texas, disagree he’d hit 5th
Marlins, Uh? LoL disagree he’d hit 5th
Tampa, would be 3-5 on the Rays, would have been their 2nd best hitter in 2010
Twins, disagree would hit 5th
“Trading Hughes + anyone for Upton would be foolish.”
If the Yanks get Lee and Andy, why?
Chip,
Red Sox: No
Blue Jays: Yes (Who do you have hitting 3-4-5 that is better than Swisher other than Bautista?)
Phillies: No (But with Werth on his way out, it won’t be that way next year)
Rangers: Maybe (He was better than Vlad last year)
Marlins: Yes (Who do you have hitting 3-4-5)
Rays: Yes (Longoria is the only better hitter in that lineup)
Twins: Maybe. (Depends where you slot Thome. Mauer and Morneau are better, but Young is not)
Mets: Yes (Beltran was injured basically all season and Bay sucked)
ledger_yankees said:
Hal Steinbrenner said that the Yankees have had more discussions with Casey Close, Jeter’s agent, though things are still in the early stages
WYH-
PH is a proven commodity IMO. The others are only potential.
I won’t trade away a young star in the making on the hope that one of the others just takes his place.
That’s my take.
Justin Upton is one of the five most talented players in the game.
On the very remote chance AZ actually moves him start your trade proposals from there. Top 5 talent in the entire game.
His past seasons statistics are largely irrelevant. That’s not how he’s going to be evaluated within the game. Everyone knows what kind of talent is involved with Upton as long as his shoulder is ok (which is a larger concern than his 2010 OPS).
Upton’s contract is a plus – not a burden – regarding his value.
A trade for Upton would require Hughes, Montero, Banuelos and one other player.
And that’s in no way an overestimate of what it would take.
Arizona will only trade him if they feel like it will transform the franchise with young, inexpensive players, particularly players who will be cheap for 6 years.
There will be no bargain hunting on Upton. He is an immense talent, talent close to the level of ARod and Josh Hamilton.
# Wave Your Hat November 16th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
“Trading Hughes + anyone for Upton would be foolish.”
If the Yanks get Lee and Andy, why?
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Because winning the AL East and WS championships still comes down to pitching, pitching, and more pitching.
“There was just as much outrage when the Yankees were going to start Nady over Swisher…”
I was so outraged that I emailed Chad more than 25 times. And he didn’t even work for LoHud then!
MTU-
Well, are you willing to move two or three of the top pitching prospects instead of Hughes? I’d be willing to do that as well.
Hey Chip, how about this deal?
Yanks get:
Justin Upton
A’s get:
Nick Swisher
Hector Noesi
D-backs get:
Dallas Braden
Andrew Brackman
Joba Chamberlain
WYH-
Yes.
Swisher is not getting traded.
He is the kind of guy that Cash trades for, not trades away.
He will be a Yankee through the end of his contract including his option if he remains healthy.
The Yankees could make a small trade for a 4th outfielder type but I see the starting OF unchanged for 2011.
The Yankees need a starting pitcher and a relief pitcher. They are coming via FA.
Cliff Lee and or Andy top the list along with a good lefty specialist.
I just hope the deals with Jeter and Mo don’t drag on…
“A trade for Upton would require Hughes, Montero, Banuelos and one other player.”
You mean Swisher alone doesn’t get the job done?
Buster_ESPN Heard this: The Yankees are still waiting to hear on whether Rivera wants a 2-year deal–which they expect– or just wants 1 year at a time
Erin November 16th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
edit: It’s really *good*
I’ve been hanging around GB too much again.
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That just shows that you can learn style and class from anyone, Dolly.
CB
that being said…would you trade Hughes?
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I think you could do it for a trade of Hughes and either Granderson or Swisher, especially if the Yanks paid part of the salary of Grandy or Nick. Also, Upton had a bit of a bump this year, sometimes that can disenchant a team a little.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/players.....erId=28841
I don’t trade Hughes for that. Looks at the games played. Look at the OPS other than 2009. Look at the strikeouts… Hughes is young and has a lot of potential also. At least a #3, probably a #2, and maybe a #1. I don’t trade young pitching talent like that for young corner outfield talent the likes of which Upton has shown thus far.
He’s been very overhyped thus far.
What happened to the intelligent commentary that used to be on this blog? Chad > Pete, so to compensate the commenting gets worse? Is there really a discussion of whether or not the Diamondbacks would trade Justin Upton?
While we’re at it, let’s discuss Longoria, Ubaldo Jimenez, Felix Hernandez and Hanley Ramirez.