The LoHud Yankees Blog

A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News


The Yankees are interested in…

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This winter, you can bet the Yankees will be linked to players other than Cliff Lee and Derek Jeter. Just this afternoon, they were reported to have interest in lefty reliever Pedro Feliciano and to have at least kicked the tires on Diamondbacks outfielder Justin Upton.

And we’re going to continue to hear these sort of connections all offseason. Some might lead somewhere. Most will be deadends.

“Right now it’s just a lot of people expressing interest, not necessarily making offers,” Brian Cashman said.

Feliciano makes obvious sense for the Yankees (and Cashman has acknowledged he’s looking for a lefty). Upton makes sense for basically every team in baseball — he’s still just 23 — and if he’s going to be moved, the Yankees have to at least make the phone call.

Whether it leads anywhere remains to be seen, but sometimes a player can be had for a lower-then-expected price. Just ask the Braves…

The Braves traded for Dan Uggla today, and got him for a good utility man (Omar Infante) and a former Yankees minor leaguer (Mike Dunn). Granted, Uggla is going to make considerable money in arbitration, but that’s still not a ton to give up. At least not in my opinion. Dunn originally went to the Braves in The Boone Logan Trade.

• The other significant moves of the day were the Cardinals re-signing Jake Westbrook and the Marlins signing John Buck.

The Rangers have also gone to Arkansas to meet with Cliff Lee.

• Roy Halladay won the NL Cy Young today, and he seemed to side with CC Sabathia in the AL Cy Young debate.

The Rockies released reliever Manny Corpas today. He would be a very attractive option for most teams — and might still be — but he did just have Tommy John surgery, so he could miss all of next season.

Comments

comments

 

Advertisement

191 Responses to “The Yankees are interested in…”

  1. mick November 16th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    In –Feliciano
    Out–Joba

  2. Vineyard Yankee November 16th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Does Vinyard Yankee have one?

    ================

    Timmy, that was in response to your comment above which I responded to. I am not Ruby Tuesday you clown. Now go pick up your Mom down on the corner, she is still waiting for you from this morning. Don’t forget to bring a couple of towels.

    You can stop with your disparaging remarks now little boy.

  3. TR10 November 16th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    I’m going to make this real simple and quick. Has Ruby Tuesday ever called a poster by their first name? This doesn’t have to do with anyone caring, I’m just proving a point a because Ruby will be around during the year.

  4. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Wow. Mommy jokes. A new low even for a reoll.

  5. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    new low even for a ***troll***

  6. Giuseppe Franco November 16th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    # Rich in NJ November 16th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Who said he was done, GF? Certainly not me.

    ———-

    Like the Jeter situation, you are still playing GM as if you were Billy Beane with the Oakland A’s and pinching every penny you can.

    It doesn’t quite work that way in the Yankee front office with Jeter, Mo, and Pettitte.

  7. UnKnown November 16th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    How does that trade between the Braves and Marlins happen? How do the Marlins make that deal?

  8. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    An entire day of enjoyable, polite baseball conversation ruined by this TR10 character.

  9. CompassRosy November 16th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Didn’t the mets do the same thing with Aaron Heilman. Heilman was traded to Cubs with the idea of him having a chance to start but that didn’t happen.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    First they traded him to Seattle (as part of the 3-team deal in which the M’s acquired Gutierrez) and then Seattle traded him to Chicago (before he even threw a pitch) who traded him to Arizona the next season. Looks like Heilman hasn’t started a game since his earliest years with the Mets…

    btw ~ M’s hired Rick Waits as their Minor League Pitching Coordinator … I hear he’s not fondly thought of in general Yankee lore ;-)

  10. Tom in N.J. November 16th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Yo Mama so fat when she went to the movies she sat next to everyone

  11. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Name one player that the Yankees wanted and didn’t get because of money only. No, Steinbrenner didn’t want Beltran over Johnson.

  12. TR10 November 16th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Right fishy

  13. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Unknown – the Marlins made a bad deal after Uggla turned their 4 year $48,000 offer knowing he would be a free agent next year.

  14. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Tom in N.J. November 16th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
    Yo Mama so fat when she went to the movies she sat next to everyone

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You’ve been watching too much gabe Kaplan ranking with the sweathogs, Tom. Turn the TV off. At least you didn’t bring out the “Up your nose with a rubber hose”.

  15. TR10 November 16th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    1. Ruby Tuesday November 1st, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    TR10 = Tim the Troll = Rangers Fan in Drag ! ! Too late for the Rangers now sucka ! ! !

  16. Vineyard Yankee November 16th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Timmy:

    Timmy, you are such a pathetic little boy. Your pump jockey gig at the gas station keeps you so busy that you only post here once or twice a month. Then when you do post its two or three words or a sentence or two insulting others. Why do you come here other than to cause trouble and disrupt the discussion ?

    When was the last time you contributed anything here closely related to the subject matter at hand ? A baseball comment ? Hardly. You are just an attention deprived little boy who has no life or intellect. Go look at a comic book.

    For the last time stop with the mother comments and the accusations of my being Ruby Tuesday, which I am not. You are a liar and troll, go away.

  17. TR10 November 16th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Just posting your own words.

  18. Rich in NJ November 16th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    “Like the Jeter situation, you are still playing GM as if you were Billy Beane with the Oakland A’s and pinching every penny you can.”

    The only one playing is you, and that is fast and loose with the facts.

    Your invocation of Andy Benes is unsupportable based on anything I posted.

    I’m merely stating the reality of the situation. If you choose to define reality differently, that’s your prerogative. But I think you are flat out wrong. If Pettitte had demonstrated that he could remain healthy for a full season of CYA caliber pitching, he would worth $20m a year, at least on a one year deal.

    “It doesn’t quite work that way in the Yankee front office with Jeter, Mo, and Pettitte.”

    You’re overgeneralizing the A-Rod principle again. You seem to think it’s cool to vastly overpay every star player. I think that the reality is contra.

    1) They have a budget
    2) They want to win as many games as possible
    3) To do that they need as many quality players as possible
    4) That takes some financial flexibility, even for the deep pocketed Yankees

  19. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    • The Rockies released reliever Manny Corpas today. He would be a very attractive option for most teams — and might still be — but he did just have Tommy John surgery, so he could miss all of next season.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Chad, this is a deal that could actually work pretty well. NYYs pay him minimum wage and the Rockies pick up the balance, nuch like Lieber and dotel and give him a chance late in the season and a fair contract for 2012 to hit the market for a bigger deal. He’s still young at 27.

  20. TR10 November 16th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    LMAO. Bobby/Vineyard, when you have a clue about the financial world, feel free to talk to me.

  21. blake November 16th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    The Marlins front office must have a big vacation planned this winter because it seems their goal is to just get finished as soon as possible.

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    The Marlins are a troubled franchise in many respects.

  23. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    The Devil Rays are asking Santa to bring them a whole lot of complete games this Christmas because their bullpen will be wrecked and the entire team will be in shambles.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....qus_thread

  24. pat November 16th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    From Ken Davidoff……

    –Brian Cashman has more interviews to conduct for the team’s pitching-coach opening, and he won’t disclose who else is coming in, but it sounds like the favorite already has been through the process. That’s Gil Patterson

  25. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Looks like Vlad Guerrero will have a long winter. He’s looking for a 2-3 year deal for a lot more than his $5.5 mil plus incentives from last year, as strictly a DH.

  26. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    pat November 16th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
    From Ken Davidoff……

    –Brian Cashman has more interviews to conduct for the team’s pitching-coach opening, and he won’t disclose who else is coming in, but it sounds like the favorite already has been through the process. That’s Gil Patterson

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    pat, just my opinion, but, Patterson is the best choice going. He has a leg up on being familiar with NYs young ML pitchers and the system as far as how it operates. He’s a smart guy. Aldred would be my favorite after Patterson or for the bullpen.

  27. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Bill Hall – Bill Hall – Bill Hall

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Yankees Interested In Bill Hall
    By Mike Axisa
    November 16 at 9:08pm CST

    Given all of the injuries they dealt with in 2010, the Red Sox were happy to have Bill Hall around. The former Brewer hit .247/.316/.456 with 18 homers in 382 plate appearances with Boston, his best effort since the breakout 2006 campaign that landed him a four-year, $24MM contract. Now another AL East club is looking to bring him aboard, as FoxSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal says the Yankees have interest in Hall according to major league sources.

    “We have a good utility guy in [Ramiro] Pena,” said GM Brian Cashman. “We think Eduardo Nunez will be an everyday shortstop in the big leagues, but he very well could be a utility guy for us. [Brandon] Laird plays first base, third base and outfield.”

    “Obviously, are there better veteran guys available in free agency or the trade market? Very probably, there are. But is that the best way to go? We’ll just have to wait and see.”

    Hall, 31 next month, works with Yankees’ hitting coach Kevin Long during the offseason, so there’s already a relationship in place. Of course the team’s first priority is re-signing Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera, not to mention making a run at Cliff Lee, so any pursuit of Hall will likely wait until after those other items are addressed.

  29. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    I think that Rick Peterson is running out of teams. As good as he is, he tends to wear out his welcome pretty fast. Much like Mike Marshall, his ideas are too unusual for most baseball people. He makes them uncomfortable, I thnk.

  30. AldotheApache November 16th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Real sucky deal for the Marlins. Whatever are they going to do with a young, fireballing LEFTY reliever who turned in a 1.89 ERA in his rookie season and a utility guy who only hit .321???

    Awful deal for them!!! They shoulda held on to Uggla after he turned down their offer of 4/48 and just let him walk away for nothing.

  31. Dee November 16th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Bill Hall on the bench is a viable backup option. I approve. Anything is better than Pena, and I’m guessing Nunez and Laird will have a shot also…if Bill Hall were to sign of course.

  32. Dylan November 16th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    I hope we add Bill Hall. We could definitely use a super utility player. If Jeter or A-Rod gets injured, I don’t want Pena or Nunez playing everyday. If one of our outfielders goes down, I don’t want Colin Curtis starting for weeks at a time. Hall makes a lot of sense, as long as he accepts a reasonable contract.

  33. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    WCYF – I would not be too excited about bill hall… his defense is not far enough above average to make up for the .240 he will bat when he’s playing… and he already works out with kevinlong in the offseason so I wouldn’t expect much of a turnaround.

    I say let the kids play unless someone really falls in our lap (a la swisher).

    justin upton would look pretty sweet on our bench though… :)

    p.s. I went back and looked at the other day and I definitely had you confuzzzled with someone else. Sorry about that :p

  34. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    The Uggla deal was a poor one for the Marlins and an unnecessary knee-jerk November reaction to Uggla’s rejection of the 4/48.

    http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/1.....-for-fish/

  35. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Yes, Hall is such a stellar defensive player and a sparkling hitter over the last 4 years. I’d prefer Nunez and Laird for minimum wage and a chance to develop into solid ML players. Both have more ability than Hall.

  36. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    WCYF – I would not be too excited about bill hall… his defense is not far enough above average to make up for the .240 he will bat when he’s playing… and he already works out with kevinlong in the offseason so I wouldn’t expect much of a turnaround.

    I say let the kids play unless someone really falls in our lap (a la swisher).

    justin upton would look pretty sweet on our bench though… :)

    p.s. I went back and looked at the other day and I definitely had you confuzzzled with someone else. Sorry about that :p

    ******************

    No problem at all, thanks for being a stand up guy about it.

    I think Hall would be a good asset to have on the bench, I like his versatility, third, shortstop and the outfield.

  37. ac1 November 16th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    i feel like if we got upton, we would more likely be moving gardner or swisher. i dont see him sitting the bench.

  38. Rich in NJ November 16th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    One more thought GF:

    “Like the Jeter situation, you are still playing GM as if you were Billy Beane with the Oakland A’s and pinching every penny you can.

    It doesn’t quite work that way in the Yankee front office with Jeter, Mo, and Pettitte.”

    You accuse me of being Billy Beane-like, but unlike, you I would be willing to pay Pettitte $20m for one year if he had remained healthy. You, otoh have said that he wouldn’t have been worth any more even if he pitched a full season at a CYA level.

    So your second sentence is demonstrably false.

    I have also said that Mo has earned a raise because he still pitches at a very high level. The only issue is the number of years.

    That leaves Jeter.

    The difference is obvious. Unlike Andy and Mo, he hasn’t demonstrated that he can still perform at the same level.

    Consequently, he deserves a paycut.

  39. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    A complete list of signees, trades and free agents.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/ho.....racker.jsp

  40. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    As bad as hall has been for at least 4 years, how good would he be with sporadic playing time with the yankees? No very good, I’d say. He played pretty much full time after april this past season and was barely adiquate. He is consistant on defense though. He’s a butcher at 5 positions.

  41. AldotheApache November 16th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    GB7, agree totally on Bill Hall. I’d like to see him re-up with the Red Sox.

  42. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    That Marlins article is pretty intense.

    A brief look at the list GB7 posted…

    I would rather get Hairston back than sign Bill Hall.

    Izturis looks to me like the guy to go look for. He would be a much better defender and just as poor of a hitter. He has played 2B/3B/SS, and should have won the gold glove at SS this year :p

  43. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    barely ***adequate***.

  44. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    There just isn’t a lot out in the way of decent utility players this year… O-Dog is too expensive, ditto for Hall… using our in house guys and focusing elsewhere will not only strengthen our team over the long run, but weaken other teams.

  45. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    The best utility guy around was just traded to Florida. Infante would have been the perfect solution if not for having players like Nunez and Laird ready to go and on hand. Izturis…either one of them wouldn’t be bad choices, either.

  46. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    You think Nunez is that close? I know they spoke highly of him recently… but I didn’t think it was “next season” type of talk.

    Certainly not a bad idea to get Nunez on the roster though… so he can be sprinkled with Jeter magic before it’s too late.

  47. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Infante is sort of the poor man’s Randy Velarde but not that poor. he’s a very good defensive middle infielder and center fielder/corner outfielder. Third base is his weakest spot and he’s not terrible there.

  48. clownthrowindown November 16th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Certainly not a bad idea to get Nunez on the roster though… so he can be sprinkled with Jeter magic before it’s too late.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    “Jeter magic”? That train left the station already.

  49. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Nunez will replace Pena unless something happens by the end of ST. he’s a very good shortstop and plays a good third base. 2nd base is a bit weak. We’ll find out this winter about his outfield play. He’s playing there in winter ball.

  50. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    clownthrowindown November 16th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
    Certainly not a bad idea to get Nunez on the roster though… so he can be sprinkled with Jeter magic before it’s too late.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    “Jeter magic”? That train left the station already.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You couldn’t even get a ride on the caboose.

  51. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    The Red sox are willing to trade Scutaro. Ya’ think? About one year too late with that thought, Theo.

  52. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Hall hit 247 with 18 homers.

    - Pena batted .227 with no home runs
    - Curtis .186 with 1 home run
    - Russo .184 with 0 home runs
    - Golson .261 0 home runs
    - Nunez .280 1 home run

  53. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    There is no other player in the league who I would want to influence a rookie…
    any rookie…
    regardless of position…
    … than Derek Jeter.

    In fact, we should get every rookie we have as much exposure to the way the veterans on the Yankee’s handle themselves throughout the season as possible.

    As for your… opinion…

    The Jeter train makes regular stops at greatness.

    Anyone foolish enough to write him off for one bad season is… well… a fool.

    Fools are not to be argued with, they are to be ignored. :)

  54. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    The only other all around utility guy left besides Izturis is Willie Bloomquist.

  55. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Imagin that. In 50 ML at bats, Nunez couldn’t even hit 18 home runs. What a bum.

  56. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Yeah he hit 1.

  57. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Besides it’s not an either or proposition. Nunez will be on the bench, he’s a very promising player with a great future, I hope. I think Hall with his power could be a bench piece.

  58. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    How many runs did Hall’s defense cost Boston? He’s what Stengel would call “One of those fellers that would knock you in 1 run and let in two.”

  59. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Better write Cashman and let him know. He said “he very well could be a utility guy for us”.

  60. Carl November 16th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    They had a million injuries.

    Bill Hall should not have been playing that much.

    Too much game time like Cervelli.

  61. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    WCYF – Hall has hit .247 with 18 homers for… like 8 years?

    please hold…

    baseball-reference has his 162 game average are .250/.310/.443 with 20HR’s. He hasn’t hit over .250 since 2007 which was coincidentally the last time he had regular playing time.

    I think they should be looking for someone that can develop into a better player than that to step in. That’s a below replacement level bat… OPS+ of 94 for his career… you can find that for 1/4 of the price in any team’s minor league system. The Yankees are already good enough to survive the awful utility numbers you just posted to get within 2 games of the world series.

    I don’t think overspending on a utility guy is not going to make up those 2 games.

  62. SAS November 16th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    I’m in NY after a long delayed day/night.

    The guys you mentioned hardly had any at bats and few of those came with any frequency. I am glad you are not my judge and jury WCYF.

  63. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    I wouldn’t put much stock in anything Cashman says for a few weeks… any odd name that comes out of his mouth is more likely a smoke screen than truth.

    It only helps the Yankees if other teams think they are seriously considering Bill Hall and someone else jumps the gun and overpays him.

  64. MTU November 16th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    SAS-

    Glad you made to NY safe and sound.

    I was a little concerned when you spoke about ole’ leadfoot.

    Have a great visit.

    :)

  65. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Looks like “catching stud” Yorvit Torrealba is hitting the FA market. His hangup is more playing time and more money.

  66. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    “he very well could be a utility guy for us”.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He’s going to sign with the Angels?

  67. AldotheApache November 16th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    UConn Women just won the 80th straight game.

    If this became a UConn Women’s blog for a day, some here would say their coach is overrated and they need new backups.

    Speaking of backups, I think Mark Feinsand once said it best … if their backups end up making any difference in the Yankees ability to win, something has gone terribly wrong for them. (paraphrasing)

    Turns out that’s exactly what happened to the Red Sox last season, which is why Hall played so much, to their detriment, imo.

  68. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Irreverent Discourse – I don’t think of Bill Hall as a panacea of any kind. I do like the idea of a bench piece who hit 18 home runs last year who can play multiple positions in a pinch. If there is a better option, of course I’d be for it.

  69. AldotheApache November 16th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
    I wouldn’t put much stock in anything Cashman says for a few weeks… any odd name that comes out of his mouth is more likely a smoke screen than truth.

    ——————————————–

    That’s been his MO in the past.

    The last time I heard Cashman say he was done signing players for the winter was right before he signed Mark Teixeira.

  70. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    ?Do in a pinch”? It would take a punch in the mouth to make any sane manager put Hall in on defense.

  71. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Bill Hall was a huge asset to the Red Sox last year given their injuries. He played in 119 games.

  72. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    If you want a good super utility type, go get Marlin Omar Infante, and while you’re at it let the Marlins throw in one of their other costly players.

    No to Pedro Feliciano, who for the last 3 years has an ERA well above 5 against righties. The Yankees don’t need to waste a spot on a situational lefty. Go pluck one of the many Rays FA RP’s who get righties and lefties out, like Benoit, Wheeler, or Balfour.

  73. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    People complain about Granderson but pine after Bill Hall.

  74. LGY November 16th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    A quick hit and run

    -Willie Bloomquist is awful. The only thing he has going for him is that he plays a lot of positions. He is bad defensively and awful offensively.

    -Cesar Izturis another awful player. At least he is good defensively though unlike Bloomquist. Izturis had a .545 OPS last year and his career high OPS is .711 back in 2004. He is just an awful offensive baseball player and definitely not worth paying money for over Nunez. The guy has 15 HR in his entire career.

    -An OPS+ of 94 is not even close to below replacement level. That is a slightly below average offensive baseball player. Replacement level=/=average. It is well below average to be replacement level.

  75. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Trader,

    Infante has been my choice for 3 years. after that, the Izturis brothers and then Bloomquist.

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    I guess Francona doesn’t have a clue then, must be a terrible manager. Bill Hall played 6 positions in the field in 2010.

    - 55 games in LF with 1 error

    - 51 games at 2B with 6 errors

  77. Red Lobster November 16th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Bill Hall would be tremendous. He was one of the keys in the Sox offense being as good as it was with all their injuries.

  78. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    I see no one “pining” over Bill Hall. He might be a bench “piece” worth considering. And I hardly think he could be called a “butcher”.

  79. Jerzz November 16th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    Yes, Bill Hall sucks but Laird is going to be Eric Hinske, right?

  80. West Coast Yankee Fan November 16th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    Red Lobster November 16th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Bill Hall would be tremendous. He was one of the keys in the Sox offense being as good as it was with all their injuries.

    ********************

    Thanks for injecting some baseball smarts in the conversation RL.

  81. SAS November 16th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    MTU,

    The lead foot comes with the trip back to AZ by car. We flew today. The plane was an hour or so late leaving. All I know is we were traveling all day. I am tired, which is good because I have to drive into the City in the AM. With the time change, I should be able to get to sleep at a decent hour. That is not always the case.

    Oh, puppy is just fine.

  82. Carl November 16th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    We put A-Rod and Jeter in for defense.

    Bill Hall won’t hurt.

    Or J-Hair.

  83. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Buyer beware on Justin Upton:

    Upton played in only five regular season games during September and October due to soreness resulting from a slight labrum tear he sustained in 2006. He hit ..273 with 17 home runs, 69 RBI and 18 stolen bases.

  84. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    The main name was Macir Izturis. Bloomquist is a .264 hitter with good speed and a good defender everwhere, unless you count 3rd base, where he’s adequate. He;s a utility player. If he was gold glove standard and hit .300, he’d be a regular. He does the job he’s hired to do. Plays a good utility role.

  85. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    LMAO. Ramirez played left field in Boston one year with only two errors. Not sure I’d want him on defense either, unless it was to cut off damon’s throws. Jeter could have played left field in Boston from shortstop.

  86. pat November 16th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    “He was one of the keys in the Sox offense being as good as it was with all their injuries.”

    A key to any offense should get a starting job somewhere and is therefore not an option for the Yankees.

  87. LGY November 16th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Maicer Izturis is not a free agent.

  88. AldotheApache November 16th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Yankee Trader November 16th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    No to Pedro Feliciano, who for the last 3 years has an ERA well above 5 against righties. The Yankees don’t need to waste a spot on a situational lefty.

    ———————————————–

    Righthanders hit .336 against him last season.

    But, hey, that’s a lot better than ’08, when they hit .357 against him.

  89. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Macir Izturis may not be a FA but, he’s still one of the top utility players in baseball.

  90. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Has anyone looking at Bill Hall looked past last season? Basically he’s been a .200 hitter the last 4 seasons, and his glove has a whole in it. He committed 16 errors for the Sux last year.

    Lets get real, Laird and Nunez will be better than Hall in every way, and less costly.

    Remember, all those out there that said every dollar we give Jeter, is less money to spend on other players. No money spent on Hall is that much more to build a stronger bullpen and bench.

  91. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    But, hey, that’s a lot better than ‘08, when they hit .357 against him
    ———————————

    Aldo- He’s slipping. In 2009 Feliciano held righties to a .264 BA, and his usual 5.30 ERA! :)

  92. Carl November 16th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    wow Marcus Thames is going to Japan?

  93. BIG AL November 16th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    Later.

  94. Vineyard Yankee November 16th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    Carl
    November 16th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    wow Marcus Thames is going to Japan?

    ===============

    Are we throwing the ‘butcher’ a farewell party ?

  95. LGY November 17th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Big Al

    Hall has not hit 200 the past 4 seasons. That’s not correct. You are probably getting confused because he played for 2 teams in 2009.

    Really my last post tonight ;)

  96. AldotheApache November 17th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Yankee Trader November 16th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
    But, hey, that’s a lot better than ‘08, when they hit .357 against him
    ———————————

    Aldo- He’s slipping. In 2009 Feliciano held righties to a .264 BA, and his usual 5.30 ERA!

    ——————————————

    Only .264? Musta been some warning track fly outs and ropes hit right at someone mixed in there!

    Seriously, man, this guy was a key player in the Mets infamous bullpen meltdown of ’08, giving up numerous backbreaking hits in key game situations. That’s why the Metsies went out and signed Frankie “Pacquiao” Rodriguez.

    I say pass.

  97. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    MLB with Prime 9….best DH’s ever. My top two are Frank Thomas and Edgar Martinez.

  98. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Rich in NJ November 16th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    You’re overgeneralizing the A-Rod principle again. You seem to think it’s cool to vastly overpay every star player. I think that the reality is contra.

    ————-

    You must like to put words in my mouth because I said no such thing.

    Your problem is that you are playing GM and not understanding that Cashman negotiating with guys like Pettitte, Jeter, and Mo is quite different than Billy Beane trying to pinch every penny on the dollar.

    What you suggest is what you WANT to happen in these negotiations.

    I’m merely suggesting the reality of the situation and understanding the Yankee front office isn’t going to play hard ass with these guys – much to your dismay.

  99. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    They just showed hal McCrae sliding ing to 2nd base. He chased willie Randolph into left field to knock him down. He’s the reason they eliminated the rolling slide. The second hardest slider into a base after Mantle. Different types though. Mantle just slid in hard and with a short, explosive slide. McCrae just steamrolled the fielders, who ever they were or where ever they played.

  100. Carl November 17th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    I wish I was at Yankee Stadium for the Paulie chants.

    Gives me chills every time.

  101. AldotheApache November 17th, 2010 at 12:23 am

    GB7, I remember that slide. It was ridiculous.

    Willie, like Jeter today, was too much of a gentleman.

    I suspect that nowadays, with the kind of money at stake in their careers, if McRae made a habit of sliding into second like that, someone might try nailing him in the noggin with a relay throw.

  102. FiretheUMPIRE November 17th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    I really miss Paul O’Neill. He played with fire.

  103. clownthrowindown November 17th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Some of you are REALLY stuck living in the past…

  104. AldotheApache November 17th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Livin in the here and now …

    I think CC should win the Cy Young. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if he does, with the anti-Yankees sentiment and people rooting for underdogs (Yankees being the perennial favorites).

    Felix is a great pitcher, but he won 13 games this past season. I predict Price, but I’m rooting for CC and I think he deserves it most.

  105. D-Man November 17th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Paul O’Neal was like Swisher… except with the ability to hit in the postseason.

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Hmmmm. Using wins as a criteria for not winning the Cy Young? I can’t imagine why King Felix only won 13 games. Could it be because Seattle was dead last in the entire major leagues with only 513 runs scored?

    Oh and that the Yankees (Sabathia) were first with 859 runs scored? And Tampa was third (Price) with 802 runs scored?

    Then again, that would actually require some critical thinking and a deeper understanding of the game.

  107. tyanksfan36 November 17th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    The statistics say that King Felix should with the Cy Young( I would vote for him regardless of wins) The Wins say that CC should win because he had the most with 21. But his ERA was higher than both Price and Felix. I think that Price will get it and that wouldnt bother me because he fits(in my view) right between Felix and CC. I dont think CC should win just because he had the most wins, he had the most run support so it reflects more on the team than on his pitching( I know, he put in a ton of 8 inning games, he hardly had a bad outing at all this year and was the horse for the Yankees) It wont bother me whoever they choose. I think the voters have a tough decision to make because there is so many reasons why each of those 3 should win it.

    sorry if that makes no sense, when I write papers for school it kills my brain and makes even the simplest things seem really complicated to explain.

  108. AldotheApache November 17th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    west coast nancy,

    You really are a little pos weird freak.

    You hang on my every word.

    You emulate my thoughts and writing (the latest ex., panacea).

    You lose all control just about every time I engage you because I out think you and out post you.

    And the reason for all this is because I am the one who exposes you for the fraud and unimaginative creep that you are.

    Everyone around you know who you really are. But even more importantly, even though you’ll never openly admit it … YOU know what a loser creep you are.

  109. AldotheApache November 17th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Do not respond to my posts.

    Do not attempt to engage me in discussion.

    Your diatribes are beneath me, and I have neither the time nor inclination.

    Just continue, in your own slimy way, to use me as the prime example of what you will never be … a normal human being.

  110. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 2:01 am

    LMAO!

  111. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 2:06 am

    tyanksfan36 November 17th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    The statistics say that King Felix should with the Cy Young( I would vote for him regardless of wins) The Wins say that CC should win because he had the most with 21. But his ERA was higher than both Price and Felix. I think that Price will get it and that wouldnt bother me because he fits(in my view) right between Felix and CC. I dont think CC should win just because he had the most wins, he had the most run support so it reflects more on the team than on his pitching( I know, he put in a ton of 8 inning games, he hardly had a bad outing at all this year and was the horse for the Yankees) It wont bother me whoever they choose. I think the voters have a tough decision to make because there is so many reasons why each of those 3 should win it.

    sorry if that makes no sense, when I write papers for school it kills my brain and makes even the simplest things seem really complicated to explain.

    **************

    That made perfect sense. Excellent analytical thinking. I “want” Sabathia to win, but trying to be fair and impartial I think King Felix is more deserving. I wouldn’t be surprised though if any of the three won it – and it wouldn’t be unfair.

  112. Irreverent Discourse November 17th, 2010 at 4:20 am

    WCYF – hit and run before I go to work…

    The statistics do not actually show that Felix is the only Cy Young choice. Only one website, baseball-reference.com and their formulas mainly favor the one pitcher. According to a few other websites… there is plenty of room for felix, sabathia, lee, weaver and verlander to recieve votes to win the cy young. yes that’s right… jered weaver. i didn’t believe it either but after like 2 hours of scrounging around, its plain as day. price was suspiciously absent from the top of most lists i looked at.

    lee would actually statistically be my choice, I don’t particularly care that he made 6 less starts than everyone else… he was still over 200 innings and on a per game basis was hands down the best pitcher this season. he controlled his part of the game better than anyone else. Also, Felix didn’t pitch a single meaningful game all season. Not to say his path was easier but the others more difficult.

    I do however believe Felix can win it. Lee won’t get votes (maybe some thirds) because of the lack of 34 starts, which sabathia and price both reached. Felix won’t get first place votes other than the handful of writers trying to make a point, but he will get tons of second place votes. If the rest of first place is split up between Sabathia and Price (because of the old dog writers and yankee haters) and maybe some straggler strange votes… Felix has a decent chance. He’s basically going to be everyone’s number 2 at worst.

    We shall see in a few hours, and then there will be MUCH ANGST.

  113. Jerkface November 17th, 2010 at 4:48 am

    Felix murdered the AL east, its not like he didn’t face down tough teams. He was also in the division with the AL world series representative.

  114. Jerkface November 17th, 2010 at 4:50 am

    he also had 3 losses where he only gave up 1 run.

  115. Pat M. November 17th, 2010 at 5:34 am

    Face, it’s between Price, Lee Sabatia…….Felix is deserving , however 13 wins is not going to get it done…..Some years back, Steve Carlton ( an old acquaintance ) won 25 games (?) with a worse team that The Mariners….Lefty won something like 53 % of their games…..Felix’s situation is not close to Carlton’s dominance of the National League….GB will fill in any points or make the necessary corrections to my comments……

  116. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 6:57 am

    Good Morning, morning, people.

    Two cents on the Bill Hall stuff. Cashman looking at all possible availabilities. If the don’t sign Lee, it is pretty likely that Nunez or Pena or Laird may have to be included in a deal to land a Grade A starting pitcher. It’s only then that a guy like Hall would be needed.

    Regarding Nunez/Pena. I think Nunez is the better all-around player, but if he is viewed as a future regular at SS (something Pena is not thought of as being), then I would rather him start the year in AAA than sitting on the bench not getting any playing time or sporadic playing time at best. I know that Jeter and ARod will need their days off, but I’m crossing my fingers that they’re mostly healthy, in which case, Pena is satisfactory. If their health becomes an issue, Nunez is a phone call away for more regular work.

    It would be great if Laird could step in, too. I wonder what GB7 has to say about Laird as a utility guy in terms of how does he do off the bench, with no regular at-bats?

    ****

    Congratulations to Roy Halladay. Fingers crossed for CC, but I wouldn’t be upset if Price, Lee or Felix got the award.

  117. Fran the original November 17th, 2010 at 7:21 am

    Good morning.

    MorningPerson,

    I agree with you on Bill Hall. Really Cashman’s moves hinge on signing Cliff Lee. If the Yanks don’t get Lee, they may need to include a young infielder or catching prospect in a deal for a front of the rotation starter.

  118. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 7:22 am

    good morning MorningPerson

    Good point regarding Nunez. The bench shouldn’t need to be used much early in the season, especially w/ no NJ this year.

    I am hoping CC gets the Cy Young. I know its not all about wins, but 21 wins in the AL east should count for something, especially when he was so heavily relied upon. I also would not be upset if Felix or Price won.

  119. blake November 17th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Felix may be the best pitcher in all of baseball but I don’t think he should win the CY winning 13 games in the zero pressure environment of Seattle. His numbers are phenomenal but as Halladay said, pitching is ultimately about the ability to win games….and there is just too large a gap between the number he won and some of the other candidates.

  120. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Morning.

    Cant’ wait for the CY awards are a joke comments, or alternatively
    the CC is not an “Ace” comments.

    We’re about due for another round.

  121. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 7:30 am

    blake -

    If Felix wins, I suspect we’ll be hearing the term “quality starts.”

  122. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 7:31 am

    yeah, I think Jeers tried to get things started yesterday regarding the Cy Young, but there was too much discussion regarding Swish.

    Both Price and Halladay have expressed their opinions that it should go to CC.

  123. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Oh, MTU, are you getting cynical on us? ;)

  124. boiled_rabbit November 17th, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Any mowron too dumb to figure out that CC gets the Cy Young raise your hand.

    Any mowron too dumb to figure out that Joba isn’t going anywhere raise your hand.

  125. blake November 17th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Morning,

    Probably. I don’t think it would be a travesty or anything if Felix wins because he was clearly a very very good pitcher this season and all the arguments that are made for him are valid. But in the end, he was a slightly above. 500 pitcher for a team that was out of the playoff race after the first month…

  126. boiled_rabbit November 17th, 2010 at 7:41 am

    The only Felix getting any award today is Felix the cat.

    That’s because he’s a wonderful wonderful cat. Whenever he gets in a fix he reaches into his bag of tricks.

  127. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 7:42 am

    blake -

    Agreed. He’s a talented pitcher stuck on an underperforming team. Well, stuck is a relative term – he wanted to be a Mariner and he is.

  128. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 7:43 am

    MP-

    I’m just preparing myself for the inevitable.

    ;)

  129. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    I am just so ready for trades to start happening…other than Buck to the Marlins :(

  130. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 7:48 am

    Kate-

    Well then. How about Cliff Lee to the Yanks ?

    Would that satisfy you ?

    :)

  131. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 7:49 am

    oh yeah

  132. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    What is it with these Upton Bros. and their shoulder labrum tears ?

    Must be genetic.

    And no, I can’t fix it in my lab.

  133. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Looks to me like the Suxers are gonna miss out on re-signing Beltre.

    Rumor-R-Us reports that they are only willing to go 4 years with too little money.

    Typical Sox, heh ?

    Poor Theo. He’s always got his hands full with that cheap SOB Henry.

    Can’t think your way out of everything. Huh, Theo ?

    :)

  134. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    And by the way Cash.

    Hurry up and sign Patterson.

    You know you want to do it.

  135. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:03 am

    And bring back Willie Randolph and Mickey Rivers while you’re at it.

    :)

  136. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 8:08 am

    not too demanding, are you MTU?!

  137. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Kate-

    Nope.

    Who’s your next surprise trade ?

  138. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    well it would have been Jim Thome for DH, but it appears that Po has that position locked up

  139. Betsy November 17th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    I think either Price or Hernandez will get it…………..I don’t think division should play a part in it either. It’s not a pitcher’s fault if his division stinks – he’s either the best or he’s not. I would probably give it to Price and then Hernandez – and I do think Price will get it. Nuff said on that – I don’t care one way or the other about any of these awards.

  140. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    What happened to the other Early birds Kate ?

    Did we scare ‘em off with our early morning shennanigans ?

  141. Betsy November 17th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    I don’t get why people think “ok, we don’t have Lee, we’ll just go out and trade for a frontline starter”. How many teams are inclined to trade their big guns? They’re not – nor should they be. They aren’t available – only Greinke is and we’ve gone into that aleady. Also, doing so (even if said pitcher was available) would require a ravaging of the farm system and I don’t see Cash doing that (nor would I be interested in it)

  142. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Betsy-

    So what’s your plan ?

    :)

  143. Betsy November 17th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....ref=sports

    Weird……….Mazzone may have been lucky to escape this sort of “interview”. An exam?

  144. Betsy November 17th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    My plan? I have no idea, but you can’t just snap your fingers and make it sound like it’s so easy to trade for a frontline starter. I doubt that’s his backup plan. I love Cash, but the fact that we are so desperate for Lee (and Andy) shows what a precarious position we’re still in.

  145. JEKIKASO November 17th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    EEMS WE HAD AN ALL YANKEES PITCHING STAFF IN AZ YESTERDAY.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/.....n_pddwin_1

  146. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Betsy-

    Actually I think that’s a great way to do it.

    Way better than just going by theri resume IMO.

    It’s more objective, and says “prove to me what you know”.

  147. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    MTU, Rivers will be a ST coach. The only way of bringing Randolph back to be a full time coach is to get rid of Thomson, Kelleher, or Pena. Teams can only have a certain amount of coaches in uniform. Only if a coach is on the official coaching staff does he get credit for it on his pension plan….no little thing. Of all the coaches that the Yankees could get rid of, I’d unload Thomson and Harkey and bring in Randolph and Aldred.

  148. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Betsy-

    I agree. Obviously, no one can just pull a FL pitcher out of thin air.

    What I was asking you is what is your personal plan B if we happen to whiff on Lee ?

    It’s cool if you don’t have one. I was just wondering.

  149. Betsy November 17th, 2010 at 8:32 am

    MTU, there is no plan – because everyone after Lee is not very good. I really don’t have a clue what the Yankees would do, but I hope they’re planning for it.

  150. boiled_rabbit November 17th, 2010 at 8:32 am

    No big surprise there. The first mowron to raise their hand is Betsy who always saves her highest praise for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim or the Oakland Athletics or the Texas Rangers or the Seattle Mariners or the Chicago White Sox or the Cleveland Indians or the Kansas City Royals or the Minnesota Twins or the Detroit Tigers or the Boston Red Sox or the
    Toronto Blue Jays or the Baltimore Orioles or the Tampa Bay Rays or the Chicago Cubs or the
    St. Louis Cardinals or the Milwaukee Brewers or the Pittsburgh Pirates or the Houston Astros or the Cincinnati Reds or the San Diego Padres or the Arizona Diamondbacks or the Los Angeles Dodgers or the San Francisco Giants or the Colorado Rockies or the Atlanta Braves or the Washington Nationals or the New York Mets or the Philadelphia Phillies or the Florida Marlins.

  151. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    GB-

    I’m down with that.

    Looking for someone to tutor our younger guys on their fielding (nunez, laird, etc.), and on their bunting and base stealing.

    :)

  152. blake November 17th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    I think the Angels will sign Beltre……or.maybe even the WS champs.

  153. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    NYY isn’t “desperate” for anything. Wanting one of your pitchers back and wanting the best FA pitcher on the market and one of the best pitchers in baseball. is a need and a want. It doesn’t mean desperation. If that was the case, every team in baseball is desperate for Lee, Werth, Crrawford, etc. NYY has plenty of options….some better than others.

  154. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Betsy-

    I sort of consider Lee a must get for the simple reason that there is not a good alternative to him at this time.

    I’m quite sure Cash has a plan B and C prepared.

    He’s not going to get caught with his pants down if the Yanks happen to whiff on Lee.

    Personally, I’m very confident that the Yanks with hook Lee but until he is actually announced it is not certain.

    FWIS failure on Lee should not be an option but hey, that’s just me.

  155. Betsy November 17th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    I think they need Lee very badly, so yes- that qualifies as desperation in my book. If Lee signs, then they want Andy badly – or even if they don’t. I don’t think their ideal rotation includes another kid, though they may be open to if if they don’t like the other veteran options out there.

    MTU, he’s a must get, but the Yankees can’t do anything about it. If they offer him a fair deal and he just doesn’t want to come here or he wants more, then they’ve done all they can. I don’t think he cares where he plays, to be honest.

  156. Mell November 17th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    “Some years back, Steve Carlton ( an old acquaintance ) won 25 games (?) with a worse team that The Mariners”

    Big difference is that Carlton won by getting pretty close to League Average run support in 1972 (3.83 runs, NL average in ’72 was 3.91) while Hernandez got considerably below league average (3.07 runs, AL average last season was 4.45).

    Sabathia is a terrific pitcher, who had a great season. However, he got nearly six runs (5.89) of support per game, or roughly twice what Hernandez did. Granted, he very rarely needed all six, but the “pressure” people speak of is diminished signifcantly when one gets it. If Sabathia and Hernandez switched places, is there really any question that Hernandez would have 20+ wins and Sabathia would be somewhere in the low teens? I don’t think so.

    It’s an award supposedly given to the best pitcher, rather than pitcher with the most wins. That said, as long as Bartolo “Buffet Table” Colon keeps Mariano Rivera’s Cy Young Award on his mantle, I’ll have zero problem with Sabathia or Price winning the award. I do think either would be the wrong choice though.

  157. Betsy November 17th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    I don’t think CC should get it, nor will he.

  158. blake November 17th, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Plan B is most likely ( speculating here): kidnap Pettite and force his return, deal an outfielder for another starter (Billingsly perhaps), and pursue Crawford if he’s still available.

  159. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Betsy-

    I disagree. There is something they can do about it.

    MAKE HIM THE BEST OFFER in every way. $’s, amenities, etc., etc.

  160. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Blake-

    OK. That’s a plan. What if Andy can’t be kidnapped ? What then ?

  161. Betsy November 17th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    I just don’t agree. I don’t need the Yankees making the best offer if it goes beyond where they feel comfortable. If they make their best offer and someone tops it, then let him go……..I am not interested in bribing anyone to stay. If Lee doesn’t take their fair offer, then it means he didn’t have a big interest in signing here. Also, they still don’t control this process – no matter what they offer, they can not control what Lee does.

  162. blake November 17th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Mell,

    I think the key word there is “if” they switched places then Felix may have won 20 games. I think Felix, CC, or Price would be a good choice but Sabathia would get my vote for the way he carried his rotation for a playoff contender.

  163. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    “best pitcher” is vague, and can be interpreted many different ways…most wins…lowest ERA…most SO…etc etc

    It is hard to say what would have happened if they switched places, altho I would certainly think Felix would have more than 13 wins.

  164. Mell November 17th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Blake:

    Honestly think that’s more an MVP argument than a Cy Young one.

  165. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Go back and figure out exactly how many of the runs scored in Sabathia’s games were actually scored when he was in the game. He still had to pitch the games and stop the other teams from scoring. The Bs is said about Hughes. In Hughes case, the Yanks scored 186 runs, but the team scored 43 after he was out of the game. The team scored another 22 in his last inning of pitching. That’s about 22% and 32% (without actually figuring the percentages). That means they actually had to pitch quite well while tey were in to keep the team in the games and collect the wins.

  166. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Betsy-

    Only in the most technical sense do I believe you to be correct because the Yanks aren’t going to use sodium pentathol on Lee but in every other way they have complete power to influence his decision IMO.

    This isn’t all that mysterious IMHO.

    I do not see why we won’t come out on top.

    And I also don’t agree with you about the years or money but it’s also fine with me if we agree to disagree amicably.

    We should really go all out for this guy. That’s just my take.

    My only concern is his longer term health, and it’s a relatively mild one.

  167. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    That video “test” sounds kind of neat.

    I think it gives them a chance to actually see the guy in action. And if he can pick things up on the fly, so to speak. You’re going to need a guy who is able to see things who can help a pitcher make in-game adjustments as well as work on things off the mound.

    It’s the equivalent of a skills test followed by an traditional interview, where the guy then gets to talk about himself, his theories, etc.

    Very thorough.

    As I said yesterday, whoever they choose, it will at least be well thought-out.

  168. blake November 17th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    MTU,

    Send in special forces (GB7) to get the job done ;)

  169. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    MP-

    Wherever possible “Science” should be used to aid in the decision making process.

    We agree.

    :)

  170. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Back in ’86 or ’87. Nolan Ryan lead the NL in strikeouts and ERA by a wide margin, clearly the best pitcher in the NL. He finished 5th in the Cy Young. Both votes came from Houston. The reason he didn’t win? He was 8-16. wins count.

  171. Mike Ri November 17th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Jack Morrison best said it . ( IMO ) You get paid to WIN games , NOT post the best ERA or WHIP..or have the most strikeouts.

  172. blake November 17th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Mell,

    I guess you can say that but that separation is more blurred in my mind than others….and I understand that. If Felix wins it could certainly be justified.

  173. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Blake-

    GB has his hands full with “you know who”. ;)

    Hint:

    It has hairy legs.

  174. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    And a mustache. ;)

  175. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    But, if you see Lee as absolutely necessary because the Yankees are in a desperate position, and someone outbids them, wouldn’t it make sense for the Yankees to first try and up their offer? If that fails, then what?

    If you don’t want to trade for another pitcher, because no one is as good as Lee or because you don’t want to empty the farm, and you don’t want to bring up young pitchers because you don’t trust them, what is the alternative?

    At some point, if Lee decides to go elsewhere, compromises are going tohave to be made. The Yankees will have to either trade for a Grade A pitcher by giving up some prospects that we may not like them to give up, or they will have to trade for a Grade B pitcher who we don’t like, but allows us to keep some key prospects, which we do like.

    Or, the Yankees will do what they did in 2008 and bring in a rookie or two (if Pettitte retires).

    Those are the only alternatives, since they won’t go with a 3 or 4 man rotation.

  176. Mike Ri November 17th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    new post

  177. Erin November 17th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    New Post: Bob Sheppard honored in Congress

    :arrow:

  178. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    MP-

    And those just add to the argument for why Lee is practically a must get.

    You can also throw in that he is a nearly perfect replacement for AP going forward.

    Left-handed. Great competitior. Strong work ethic. Proven big game pitcher. Innings eater.

    He’s got IT. ;)

  179. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    MTU November 17th, 2010 at 8:54 am
    And a mustache.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Reggie Jackson walked past Nurse Karloff one day and mistook her for someone else. He greeted her with, “Hey, Rollie. Great to see you. You’ve put on a LOT of weight since I saw you last.”

  180. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    GB-

    I didn’t know it had a HB type. I’ll add that to the profile for next time.

    Along with the cloven hooves and the horns.

    :)

  181. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    MTU, she’s not much to look at, but, nobody can say that she doesn’t have style.

  182. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    GB-

    Sounds like a beat up old car.

  183. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Maybe an Edsel.

  184. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Or a Nash or Packard more likely.

  185. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    I’d kill to have a Packard, MTU. They made some gorgeous cars…especially in the late 30s.

  186. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    GB-

    You should have known my Father then. He sold them way back when.

  187. Cheap Lebron James Shoes August 20th, 2014 at 1:56 am

    The internet world is abuzz for sure. With almost every question hitting hot searches, there are topics of conversation offered from this show on many social media websites..

  188. Effie Hummell August 22nd, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    When should I expect my first letter?

  189. Jordan Shoes August 28th, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Fashion Shoes Magento Theme – Gala Spendisse gives you an young and lovely look. The ads banner, titles, labels are designed very creative with eye-catching colors and highlights.

  190. Air Max August 31st, 2014 at 6:45 am

    Prior To This, red sole shoes Was Known For Manufacturing Suitable Leather Gloves For Baseball Players And Enthusiasts.

  191. Royal Vegerano September 1st, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    I am just commenting to make you understand what a magnificent discovery our daughter enjoyed viewing your webblog. She came to uncover far too several details, most notably the way it is like to possess an ideal coaching mood to make certain persons effortlessly understand certain extremely tough matters. You in fact exceeded my desires. I appreciate you for displaying these priceless, trustworthy, revealing and in some cases enjoyable tips for the matter to Emily.

Leave a comment below


Sponsored by:
 

Search

    Advertisement

    Follow

    Mobile

    Read The LoHud Yankees Blog on the go by navigating to the blog on your smartphone or mobile device's browser. No apps or downloads are required.

Advertisement

Place an ad

Call (914) 694-3581