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Bob Sheppard honored in Congress

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 17, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As the second day of baseball’s general managers’ meetings gets started, I’ll pass this along: Yesterday, the House of Representatives passed a resolution — H. Res. 1529 — honoring Bob Sheppard. The resolution was voice voted with no opposition. Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (NY-04) made the following statement in support.

“Today I ask my colleagues to support H. Res. 1529, commending Bob Sheppard for his long and respected career as the public-address announcer for the New York Yankees and the New York Giants.

On July 11, 2010, Mr. Sheppard passed away at the age 99 in his home in Baldwin, New York, in my district.

Mr. Sheppard was a constant in sports announcing for over fifty years.

His distinctive voice was recognizable to both players and fans.

Each game began with his trademark cadence- “Good afternoon ..ladies and gentlemen…and welcome…to Yankee Stadium”.

He performed the role as public address announcer at Yankee Stadium from opening day in 1951 through 2007.

And as the public-address announcer for the New York Giants from 1956 through 2005.

At the age of 62 he announced the World Series games, 2 All-Star Games, and has introduced more than 72 Hall of Famers throughout his career.

He will always be remembered for his clear, concise, and correct announcements and pronunciations, taking pride in the name of every player he introduced.

Bob Sheppard utilized his great oratory skills not only in the sports arena, but as the chairman of the speech department at John Adams High School in Queens and as a professor of speech at St. John’s University.

Bob Sheppard was honored for his fifty memorable years of service as the announcer at Yankee Stadium with Bob Sheppard Day, celebrated on May 7, 2000, and with a permanent plaque in Monument Park behind Yankee Stadium in the Bronx.

His memorable voice will continue to live on as the recorded introduction of Yankees’ shortstop Derek Jeter.

My resolution serves to recognize the legacy of Bob Sheppard and his distinctive announcing style as a revered tradition not only to the New York Yankees and the New York Giants.

But also to the games of baseball and football, and the field of sports announcing.

I want to thank the fifty two cosponsors of the resolution, including members who are fans of other teams.

Additionally, the resolution commends Mr. Sheppard for his fifty-two years of service in the field of sports announcing and his dedication to spreading his knowledge and skill through teaching speech at both the high school and college levels.

Today I salute Bob Sheppard.

I ask my colleagues to support the resolution.”

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486 Responses to “Bob Sheppard honored in Congress”

  1. Asd November 17th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Simply awesome.

  2. Erin November 17th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Very cool. :)

  3. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    very nice, especially that there was no opposition

  4. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    One of the first things the Yankees did this off season was contact Carl Crawford and leak the contact to the press.

    If I’m a rival GM, I’m thinking, what about Brett Gardner?

    I wonder if any GM’s have inquired about Gardner after hearing the Yankees initiate contact with Carl Crawford.

    It’s possible that the Yankees are not interested in Crawford and merely contacted him as a trial balloon to test and gauge the trade market for Gardner.

    Gardner could be one of those guys that’s essential for a plan B starting pitcher should Lee remain in Texas so it’s important to know early which teams are aggressive about Gardner.

  5. boiled_rabbit November 17th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    No opposition? Betsy didn’t get to vote?

  6. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    How do you know that it wasn’t Carl Crawford that “leaked” the contact information?

  7. Crawdaddy November 17th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Right GB7, the agent might have leaked it.

  8. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    GB-

    I leaked it. :)

  9. Tom in N.J. November 17th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Per Sherman:

    An executive who worked for a team on which Lee played — and actually admires Lee — said he nevertheless believes the left will make his decision based on who pays him the most. Period. “And can anyone pay him more than the Yankees? I don’t think so.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z15Y5atyf8

  10. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    It makes more sense for players/agents to leak that kind of info than for the Yanks to do it. NYYs are going to be involved in any player that adds value to fill a team need and everyone knows it. No need to leak. Players/agents have a monetary stake by involving the Yankee name in any deal, whether they are or not.

  11. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    And they may be asking about Swisher or Granderson, as well, not just Gardner.

    But, that’s what they’re supposed to do isn’t it, the GMs, that is? Try and figure out what other teams are looking for and how that might fit their own needs and ask around to gauge a market?

  12. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    MTU, you leak more than those dustmops. get some super absorbent Depends.

  13. blake November 17th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    I do think if the Yankees are forced to trade an outfielder for a starter then it could be Gardner that goes…not because they’d want to but because he might be the guy other teams want due to his salary.

  14. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    more from Tom’s link:
    Teams have asked the Yanks about all three of their outfielders — Nick Swisher, Curtis Granderson and Brett Gardner — but the Yankees are being portrayed by other executives as not motivated to deal any of the trio.

  15. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    GB-

    Lol.

    Can’t you read ?

  16. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Oops.

    First, this is a wonderful posthumous honor bestowed on Bob Sheppard.

    ****

    Next,

    MTU – going back to last thread – I absolutely think Lee is a must-get and I agree he is the natural “replacement” for Pettitte, either this season (if he retires now) or next.

    I was just pointing out, in light of some of the statements, that if Lee chooses not to accept the Yankees’ offer, or if someone goes a little higher than the Yankees wanted to, some kind of compromise is in order.

  17. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    The Yankees must know these agents are going to leak though so when you initiate contact you should probably assume GM’s are gonna find out through the agents.

    Why not contact Werth?

    Because Swisher’s contract makes it so he doesn’t really profile in a package deal for an elite starter while Gardner does.

    This is all probably just a hedge against Lee signing in Texas but still, I’d be curious to know if some GM’s are taking the bait and a market is forming for Gardner.

  18. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Blake-

    GGBG would be attractive from a financial perspective as well.

    You’re right about that.

  19. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    It’s also possible (and probable) that the Yankees are doing their due dilligence on Crawford. Seeing, just for the sake of argument, what it would take to get him in pinstripes. If the Yankees miss out on Lee it’s likely that one of their corner outfielders would have to be included in a deal for some pitching and so it would be nice to know if they can replace a Gardner with Crawford if the situation called for it.

    A couple of thoughts on last night’s doings:

    1. I really hate the Marlins. I mean I really can’t stand them. If they are so cheap as to not even want to hang on to Uggla for the season or until they can get some viable talent back for him – then what are they doing in the league to begin with? Oh that’s right – Jeff Loria is a buddy of Selig’s and is therefore allowed to run not one, but two franchises into the ground (he also owned the Expos before MLB took them over in one of the greatest shams of all time). You trade an All-Star slugger to a division rival for a utility infielder and a left handed relief pitcher with control issues? Really?

    2. If Marcus Thames leaves for Japan as has been speculated – my vote for RH bat on the bench to replace him is Troy Glaus. Glaus isn’t an everyday player anymore, but he would be a nice right handed bat to have on the bench and play in spot duty at 3b or 1b.

    3. No Billy Hall. Nice guy – but I would rather they get Reed Johnson who is just about the same hitter Hall is and much better with the glove in the outfield.

    4. The Yankees are obviously focused on shoring up the back end of the pen. They touched base with the agent for Soriano and were told he has no interest in accepting a non-closer role.

    5. Cashman said he might have a minor player move to announce this week – my guess would be that it’s Feliciano.

  20. Erin November 17th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 9:14 am
    but the Yankees are being portrayed by other executives as not motivated to deal any of the trio.

    *******************************
    I know that could change, but I’m glad to hear it.
    I happen to really like the outfield as is. :)

  21. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    MP-

    I understand but when it comes to getting the best accept no substitutes. ;)

  22. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Erin
    I am sure you will agree that our infield is pretty nice too :)

  23. Erin November 17th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 9:21 am
    Erin
    I am sure you will agree that our infield is pretty nice too

    *******************************
    Absolutely. :D

  24. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Plan A – Cliff Lee, AP

    Plan B- AP, cc, and Billingsley or Gavin Floyd

    Huh ?

  25. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    kate-

    And our new Catcher is pretty nice too. :)

  26. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    More on the Marlins –

    I’m not against them getting John Buck – but John Buck at $6 mil/year for 3 years is idiocy and now they’re rumored to be going after Carl Pavano.

    Seriously – contract this team!

  27. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    MTU -

    Well, personally, I think the Yankees will offer more than they “should” to ensure that Lee is in pinstripes.

    But I was addressing those who believe there should be an absolute cut-off point where they say “no thanks” to Lee, but then don’t want the Yankees to make a trade (or don’t think there is anyone worth trading for) AND don’t want the Yankees to rely on untried arms.

    Plus, Lee holds the trump card here. It’s ultimately his decision and he is free to turn the Yankees down. I don’t think he will, but ya nevuh know. :)

    ****
    Glad to hear that the Yankees’ intent is to keep their outfield as-is. I know that intent is no guarantee for what can happen, but I think it’s clear that only under particular circumstances will that outfield be broken up.

  28. LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    “3. No Billy Hall. Nice guy – but I would rather they get Reed Johnson who is just about the same hitter Hall is and much better with the glove in the outfield.”

    ———————————-

    Reed Johnson’s OPS was 115 points lower than Hall’s last year.

    He also doesn’t play the IF which is the major plus for Hall.

  29. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Chip-

    Too much Mercury and Lead in the fish food ?

  30. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Not saying that Cashman didn’t call up Crawford or Lee to inquire about their health or the family, and maybe dropping a little offer to float a loan, since these guys are pretty decent people and have suddenly found themselves unemployed.

    Cashman: “Hey, Bud. Just wanted to see how things are going. It’s rough being unemployed..especially with Christmas just around the corner. If you need anything, give me a buzz. I can prbably give you a few days of yardwork to do to help out. It could even turn into something a little steadier.”

    Bud (Lee/Crawford): Hey, Cash, I really appreciate the concern. Can I call you back before Christmas if I haven’t found steady employment?”

    Cashman: “Sure thing, Bud. No big rush. Just wanted to let you know that I’m here for you. Later, Bud.”

    Or, words to that affect.

  31. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Erin -

    I think that the only way Cashman feels motivated to deal one of the outfielders is if:

    A) They don’t land Lee
    B) Andy retires
    C) Someone blows them away with an offer
    D) The representative for either Werth or Crawford come to the Yankees with a proposal that is too good to pass up

  32. LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    “That means they actually had to pitch quite well while tey were in to keep the team in the games and collect the wins.”

    ———————————

    A major part of winning baseball games in this era as a pitcher is having your offense score enough runs so that the bullpen won’t blow the game and blow your win.

  33. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    MP-

    “You nevah know.”

    Unfortunately, I am forced to concede this point. :(

  34. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am
    Chip-

    Too much Mercury and Lead in the fish food ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    My guess would be that Loria’s eating paint chips again.

  35. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am
    “3. No Billy Hall. Nice guy – but I would rather they get Reed Johnson who is just about the same hitter Hall is and much better with the glove in the outfield.”

    ———————————-

    Reed Johnson’s OPS was 115 points lower than Hall’s last year.

    He also doesn’t play the IF which is the major plus for Hall.

    ————————–

    I don’t need him to play the infield – I have Eduardo Nunez for that. Johnson is a far superior defensive outfielder to Hall at all three spots.

    And for the record – Hall may be able to play on the infield; but he’s not particularly good.

    As for OPS – Reed Johnson played in Chavez Ravine; Hall played in Fenway.

  36. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    GB-

    Or he’s been standin’ too close to pump when he’s been fueling the Bentley. ;)

  37. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    MTU -

    I wish it was that easy to explain – but Loria was a terrible owner when he was in Montreal too.

  38. LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Troy Glaus was abysmal in the 2nd half.

    He is this years Jermaine Dye.

    He is cooked.

  39. Bronx Jeers November 17th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    I’d love to read the above post but there’s an ad for Chevy covering part of it with no clear way to close it.

    Oh well.

  40. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Chip-

    Human greed knows no bounds.

  41. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Jeers-

    Squint !

  42. disco stu November 17th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Will the sky truly fall if the Yankees dont get Cliff Lee?

    This isnt November 2008 where the Yankees just finished a season where they failed to make the playoffs for the first time in over a decade and basically did not have pitching staff to speak of heading into the off-season (Mussina retired, Pettitte leaning toward retirement, Wang and Joba having their seasons ending prematurely due to injuries, making an ill-fated run at the playoffs with the likes of Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson on the staff), no first baseman, etc.

    The fact is that a year ago today, we were all still basking in the glow of a WS victory and just one month ago we came within two wins of making it back to the WS … and neither the 2009 and 2010 teams had Cliff Lee on the roster. Point being, the Yankees have had a ton of recent success without a single contribution from Cliff Lee.

    Now will the Yankees be better team than they are now if the do sign Cliff Lee? Obviously they will.

    But the Yankees can still be a better team next year (and beyond) if they dont land him, too.

    If Pettitte comes back (and most think he will), then 4/5 of the rotation is accounted for. We have our ace in CC, Hughes no longer has the training wheels on anymore (no innings limit), and you look for a rebound from AJ.

    The fifth spot becomes a fluid situation where you can sign a back-end FA, or trade for someone to give the staff depth, or you can have an open competition that includes Nova.

    The Yanks have prospects coming thru the system who are already knocking on the door … Phelps, Warren, the “Killer B’s”. One or more may be ready to jump to the majors in 2011. At the very least, they are chips to be used for future trades.

    And then there is the money the Yankees save by not signing Lee and how it can be reallocated … like bolstering the bullpen and even more importantly, having money set aside to make a big splash for a front-line starter at next season’s trade deadline (nobody know what players will be available right now – what if the Tigers fall flat on their face and look to deal Justin Verlander?).

    So my feeling is, if we get Cliff Lee, awesome … if we dont, move on and figure out other ways to improve a team that is already pretty good.

  43. LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Nunez has not proven he can hit at all at the major league level.

    The OF us young. Barring freak injuries like last year they are a much better bet to stay healthy than the right side of the infield.

    Alex to Nunez is a huge dropoff in offense.

    Hall is a much better fit for this team because of that right side of the infield and particularly Alex.

  44. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    MTU, back to the cars. I’d take a Packard any time. They made some gorgeous cars…especially in the late ’30s. There’s a doctor here that has a black ’38 Packard convertable. He’s the 3rd owner. His father was the 2nd and the 1st owner was Clark gable. He still has the original title to it. Fantastic machine.

  45. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Stu-

    Of course you move on if you happen to whiff but the 2ndary options
    are nowhere near as good and way more painful IMO.

    You can’t deny that.

  46. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    For those who don’t know the story – and why I called Loria’s buying of the Marlins a sham. Here’s the poop:

    Jeff Loria owned the Expos
    John Henry owned the Marlins
    the Boston Red Sox were for sale.

    Henry (friend to Bud Selig) wanted to buy the Red Sox
    Loria (friend to Bud Selig) was upset because after the ’94 strike fans stopped going to Expo games.

    Bud Selig orchestrated the sale of the Red Sox to Henry for far less than what was, at the time, the highest offer. It was so far from the best offer that the Mass Commonwealth Attorney General moved to block the sale. MLB contributed several million to his wife’s charity and the matter was dropped. Yeah, MLB bribed an Attorney General.

    Selig then had MLB buy the Expos – and allowed Loria who had dismantled the team to use the proceeds from the sale to buy the Florida Marlins – which he promptly dismantled from the team that won the World Series.

  47. LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    *left side*

  48. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:34 am
    Troy Glaus was abysmal in the 2nd half.

    He is this years Jermaine Dye.

    He is cooked
    ————————

    I agree – he was abysmal in the 2nd half because he played too much in the first half. Keep him fresh as a bench player and you’ll get better production out of him.

    I’ve seen Bill Hall hit – I would argue that there’s very little to prove he can hit at the ML level.

    Alex to anyone is a huge drop off.

  49. blake November 17th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Chip,

    They really are a Mickey Mouse organization…the Uggla deal is just a head scratcher to me (though I love it because im a Braves fan). Why not negociate with him over the winter and then see if his trade value improves….teams needs can change between now and ST. I just don’t get the rush in trading him…..must have some big vacations planned in the Marlins front office.

    MTU,

    Plan B: 1).send an elite force to Texas to retrive Andy 2) deal Gardner, Nova, and Romine for Chad Billingsly 3) sign Carl Crawford 4) sure up the bench and pen.

    Im sure it wouldn’t be nearly that simple but then Im not expecting then to have to resort to plan B either.

  50. BIG AL November 17th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    LGY November 17th, 2010 at 12:00 am
    Big Al

    Hall has not hit 200 the past 4 seasons. That’s not correct. You are probably getting confused because he played for 2 teams in 2009.

    ***************************************************
    Bill Hall played for TOT, MIL & SEA in 2009. Here are his complete stats, and other than 2005, 2006 he was not very good.

    year BA OPS
    2002 .194 .618
    2003 .261 .756
    2004 .238 .650
    2005 .291 .837
    2006 .270 .889
    2007 .254 .740
    2008 .225 .689
    2009 .201 .596 (TOT)
    2009 .201 .606 (MIL)
    2009 .200 .578 (SEA)
    2010 .247 .772

    In 2010, in 119 games Hall had 16 errors, and in his 9 year career he has 110 errors, avg. 12.22 errors per season. Yeh, this is a guy I want, not. Perhaps Boston paid him $8 million because they were desperate.

  51. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    GB-

    Dad sold Packard, Nash, and Hudsons.

    Really funny to me because I never could picture him doing that compared with his later years.

    Hey, I guess you do what you have to do to put bread on the the table.

    Really cool about the Gable portion. Those things were not only elegant they were tanks.

    My faves are the Dusy’s. I’ve seen many of them up close and personal at shows. They were just riduculous. The Cagney dusy is my choice.

  52. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Bill Hall is also a terrible defensive player. I would rather have a bench player who can field extremely well and might hit; than a bench player who can kinda hit alright and field very poorly.

  53. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Blake-

    We are the Men with one brain. ;)

  54. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Blake -

    They needed to free up his salary to sign that all time great John Buck for $18 mil over 3 years.

    I bet you that if the Marlins don’t draw in their new stadium, the following winter Josh Johnson and Han-Ram will both be traded.

  55. LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    If you are just looking for defense and maybe offense then there is no point to look externally. The Yankees need offense of their bench becaus of the age and injuries on the left side.

  56. BIG AL November 17th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    MTU -

    Good morning. Saw the statement by Cashman that Alfredo has been throwing bullpens and might pitch in the Mexican Winter League, which suprised me. Just got an E-mail back from Alfredo this morning and he’s confused, because he knows nothing about the Yankees wanting him to pitch Winter Ball, and was not planning on throwing until ST. I wonder what that was yesterday from Cashman, maybe wants other team to think we don’t need BP help.

  57. blake November 17th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    I think Hall would be fine but its tough to have an opinion on him.without knowing what he will cost.

  58. CompassRosy November 17th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Very nice and deserving honor for Mr. Sheppard.

    ***********

    Before I dash off to work and a day full of meetings ;-( I’ll chime in a bit on the CY debate – with an unabashed bias, of course ;-)

    Most everyone knows Felix’s lofty, lovely stats and his poor, paltry wins total, so I’ll not rehash them, but reference some of the other points discusses here earlier.

    re: pressure …
    One could argue that there is a whole heckofalot of pressure when you take the mound knowing that even if you allow ONE run, your team might lose. Unfortunately, Felix has not had the opportunity to pitch in a truly “big game” (read post-season) but he clearly does not shy away from and, in fact, thrives on some of the grander stages – some of the best moments of his career coming in Boston and NY.

    re: competition …
    Comparing Felix and CC and their competition, it is interesting to note that Felix actually pitched more games vs. teams with a +.500 (22, 11-7) than did CC (18, 9-4). CC really feasted on the 16 games pitched vs teams under .500, going 12-3 (including beating the M’s 3 times) where Felix only posted a 2-5 record in 12 such games.

    re: run support …
    The case has been made here for Felix’s “below average” run support. I’ll just add that any way you slice it, his was the lowest of low, as he was dead last no matter how you filter – 32nd of all pitchers with at least 180IP, 44th of those with at least 160IP, 56th of those with 140IP and 64th of those with 120IP. Sad.

    re: misc “fun facts” …
    Price vs Yanks 2-1 w/4.39 ERA in 4 games
    Felix vs Yanks 3-0 w/0.35 in 3 games
    CC vs Rays 1-2 w/.333ERA in 5 games

    Felix pitched more scoreless innings this season (209) than Price pitched in total.

    All that said …
    I’ve no doubt that if Felix wins, while he’ll be very proud of his accomplishment, he’d trade it (and all the other personal awards and accolades that are no doubt in his future) in a “Seattle second” for a World Championship ;-)

  59. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    MTU, have you ever been to The Imperial Palace in Vegas? If not, you have got to see that car collection. I’m not allowed in there any more because I drooled on every car there.

  60. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    disco stu -

    When you put it that way, it sure looks like Cliff Lee would be more of a “nice to have” than a “must have.”

    If Pettitte retires, I think the scales tilt a bit more toward “must have,” though.

    I don’t think the Yankees are desperate for Lee, and Cashman has said as much. But I do know they’d be in a much better position with him than without him, mainly because of the uncertainty about what they’ll get from AJ next season.

  61. LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Al

    You can’t look at his numbers in the context of a normal player. You have to look at it in the context of a bench player.

    Look up what the Yankees and most teams got from their utility bench players last year.

  62. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:44 am
    Blake-

    We are the Men with one brain.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    LMAO. No comment.

  63. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Al-

    Good morning to you.

    Couple of things:

    I know this may sound strange but I was actually hoping AA would go and get a Lamenectomy. It’s works well and the healing time is relatively short. I know his Drs. must have advised against it, or he simply didn’t want to go that route. FWIS in the long run that might have served him better.

    As to your point regarding the surprise on him pitching.
    All I can say is that it IS strange. Perhaps you are right that it is just a smokescreen. And I absolutely believe that one way or another they will do right by AA. I will be very disappointed if they don’t.

  64. LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    I highly doubt the Yankees can get Hall. He is going to be expensive for a bench player most likely and will probably be offered a starting job somewhere else.

    They won’t get him….
    Because he’s TOO GOOD!!! ;)

  65. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    GB-

    That is what I was referring to. Used to live in Henderson.

    Thought I was the only one with a drooling problem. ;)

  66. BIG AL November 17th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    LGY -

    I’m not comparing Hall to the Yankees bench, I’m evaluating him as a player I either want to sign, or not. He had a good bench season last year, but not prior, and his glove could cost you more runs than his bat gets you, that’s all. I’d rather bring up Laird and Nunez to be bench players, better gloves, and no I’ll not expect 18 HR’s, but better BA’s.

  67. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    MTU, I love old cars. They had style, class, personality. My favorite car that I owned was a ’57 Chevy Bel-Aire droptop. Black with white top and red interior.

  68. Mike Ri November 17th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    I put it like this … assuming that everyone is heatlhy

    With Lee and Pettite 95-100 win team-
    With Lee and No Pettite- 90-95 win team

    With Pettite and No Lee- 85-90 — Fighting for a Wild Card

    Without Pettite or Lee — 80-85 win team . .No Playoffs

  69. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:47 am
    If you are just looking for defense and maybe offense then there is no point to look externally. The Yankees need offense of their bench becaus of the age and injuries on the left side.

    ————————–

    There are four spots on the bench; figure one is going to Francisco Cervelli and one is going to Eduardo Nunez (replacing Ramiro Pena) that leaves two.

    If we use last year’s bench for comparison the remaining two spots will go to: one bat (Thames) and one fourth OF (Randy Winn/Austin Kearns).

    For the bat – the Yankees can go a number of ways if Thames goes overseas: Andruw Jones, Troy Glaus, Eric Hinske – this player doesn’t need to be a particularly good fielder, so long as he can hit a bit (and no – this is not a role for Hideki Matsui or Johnny Damon – they are not bench players)

    The fourth outfielder needs to be just that – an outfielder first. Given the makeup of the Yankee lineup it would also be helpful if he’s a right handed hitter.

    The Yankees made the wrong call last year taking Winn over Johnson and I think they correct it this winter. Johnson kills left handed pitching which, barring injury, would be when he would most likely play – that’s not to suggest that Girardi would platoon him with Gardner or Granderson – but that Girardi might look to combine a scheduled day off for one of those players with a day that a lefty happens to be on the mound.

    Johnson is extremely solid in all three outfield positions. So he gets the nod over Hall.

    As for Nunez over Hall – if the question is utility infielder – why would the Yankees look outside the organization to fill that role when they have 3 players who can fill that role already on the 40 man roster in Nunez, Russo and Pena?

  70. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    MP-

    I think that is just strategic posturing on Cash’s part.

    They want Lee and they want him bad. Don’t let Cash’s words or cool persona fool you.

    They know what Lee represents and how much he could mean.

    The rest is just part of the “mating dance” IMO.

  71. LGY November 17th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    AL

    Laird is not ready. He didn’t hit at all when he got to AAA.

    Chip

    Because none of those 3 has shown they can hit. Hall can be the 4th OF. He is a better hitter than Johnson anyway.

  72. BIG AL November 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    GB7 -

    I agree with the love of cars from that era. I had a ’68 Chevy Impala SS427, and wish I had it today. The first car I drove was my grandmothers 1936 Packard/the tar roof.

  73. Shame Spencer November 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Lee is only going to sign with the team that offers him the most money?! Surely you kid!!

    Anyone that makes athletes out to be anything other than overpaid mercenaries is kidding themselves. These guys want to make bank and make it now. Think they care about winning? Half of the pitchers in the game don’t even know who Sandy Koufax is!!

  74. Tom in N.J. November 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Bill Hall has only played 36 innings at short since the start of ’07.

    I would like him as a 3b/of type. And he has power.

  75. BIG AL November 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Back later.

  76. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    GB-

    My good friend and hiking buddy was a jet mechanic.

    He loves to work on Cars too. It seems like he has owned just about everything under the Sun to me.

    His personal favorite, though it’s more modern, a blue GTO late sixties vintage with a six-pack.

    I have never seen it but have heard him talk lovingly about it’s prowess.

    I believe he owned a Chevy much like the one you described as well.

    Me. I was never that lucky.

  77. Bronx Jeers November 17th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Felix pitched 209 scoreless innings? Wow.

    It’s hard to argue with that.

    And he’s got a decent contract over the next 4 years with an AAV of around 17 mil but imagine he was a free agent right now?

    He’d be looking at a contract nearly 3 times that size. I’d think he’d get close to 200 million.

  78. Shame Spencer November 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    blake – as a NJ Devils fan I am very sensitive about the use of the term “Mickey Mouse Organization” in any capacity. Please respect my insecurities ;)

  79. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    LGY November 17th, 2010 at 9:50 am
    Al

    You can’t look at his numbers in the context of a normal player. You have to look at it in the context of a bench player.

    Look up what the Yankees and most teams got from their utility bench players last year.

    ————————-

    Hall wasn’t a utility player for Boston though. Because of all their injuries Hall started nearly 100 games, got nearly 400 at bats and was awful. As a sub he had a total of 24 at bats, nearly the same as Ramiro Pena who posted a significantly higher BA and OBP than Hall (Hall hit for more power)

    And if you look at his splits away from Fenway – he was even worse without the monster to bang singles off of

  80. Tom in N.J. November 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    With the dearth of 3b options on the FA market, I would not be shocked if some team signed Hall to be a starter though.

  81. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Compass Rosy
    First let me say if Felix wins, I wont have a problem w/ it, as he is an excellent pitcher…however, to be fair, of the 3 wins Felix had against the Yankees, one was vs AJ (I was there for that one) and one was vs Javy. And the win he had vs Boston was vs Wakie…so he may have been facing good teams, but not their good starters.
    IMO while wins aren’t the only factor, winning over 20 games is quite an accomplishment, no matter how much run support you receive.

  82. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    It’s “pupdemonium” time. BIW.

  83. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Just to get some of the rumors involving the yanks out of the way and to get the tears and snot flowing….compliments of MLB-Rumors0R-Us:

    “Yankees Rumors: Upton, Lee, Soriano, Jeter
    By Tim Dierkes [November 17 at 8:02am CST]
    Joel Sherman of the New York Post dishes out the latest Yankees buzz in a series of articles…

    •Sherman notes that Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers has knowledge of the Yankees farm system after working for the team last year, which makes a Justin Upton match intriguing. However, Sherman feels that the Yankees would get involved most likely if Cliff Lee signs elsewhere and they look to trade an outfielder for a starter. Teams have inquired on Nick Swisher, Curtis Granderson, and Brett Gardner, notes Sherman.
    •Executives Sherman spoke to continue to express the opinion that the Yankees will land Lee.
    •The Yanks are also working hard to find a setup man, calling on about a dozen free agents including Pedro Feliciano. They’ve checked in on Rafael Soriano “as a fallback position in the incredibly small likelihood that Mariano Rivera does not re-sign.” Sherman says to forget the idea of Soriano signing as Rivera’s setup man and closer-in-waiting. Neither side is interested in that scenario.
    •Sherman analyzes the Derek Jeter situation, which he feels could become “one of the most interesting games of contract chicken in history.” The main sticking point seems to be the number of years.”

  84. blake November 17th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Shame,

    My apologys. :)

  85. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Bill Hall career: .250 BA, .310 OBP, .443 SLG, 94 OPS+
    Reed Johnson career: .281 BA, .340 OBP, .408 SLG, 94 OPS+

    You’re the stat guy not me – explain how Hall is a better hitter than Johnson?

  86. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    If for some reason the Yanks don’t get Lee & if Pettite retires, I think the Yanks will proceed strongly in a different direction.

    I think they’d sign Soriano, Werth, Crawford and settle the pitching from within up till All-Star break. Signing Werth & Crawford will allow them to trade Joba, Gardner & Swisher to get a quality arm for the 3 slot. (CC, PH, 3 slot, AJ, Aceves/Nova/Noesi)

    The first month, the Yanks can get by with 4 SP anyway. Aceves/Nova/Noesi can factor in as the 5 slot. I would have said Joba too, but perhaps he has more value as trade material. I personally think the Yanks are making a mistake by keeping him in the pen.

    C – Posada/Montero/Cervelli or Replacement
    1B – Tex
    2B – Cano
    SS – Jeter
    3B – ARod
    LF – Crawford
    CF – Granderson
    RF – Werth
    DH – Montero/Posada

    BU – Nunez, Laird, RH Bat
    CL – Mo
    SU – Soriano

  87. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Al, that ’36 Packard was huge. Little League teams could play a ball game in the back seat. Fun cars back then. They’re about the size of an Escalade, just lower to the ground.

  88. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Hall’s also a terrible defensive player at every position. If you look at recent Yankee history they want their 4th outfielders and utility infielders to be glove first, bat second guys:

    Ramiro Pena
    Jerry Hairston
    Randy Winn
    Austin Kearns
    Brett Gardner

    There aren’t enough places in the order where you’re going to pinch hit for someone that you need multiple guys on your bench who can hit but can’t field. Hall doesn’t hit enough to fill the role of pinch hitter the way a guy like Thames does and he doesn’t field well enough to fill the role of utility infielder or fourth outfielder like a Reed Johnson or Eduardo Nunez would.

    Also I find it very hard to believe he’s going to take the kind of paycut from the 8 mil he made last year to the million, million-and-a-half that the Yankees tend to spend on bench veterans.

  89. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Chip November 17th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Hall is not a better hitter than Johnson, but he does have more power, especially at Fenway!

  90. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    The chances of RayVT’s offseason scenario playing out are less than zero.

    Soriano doesn’t want to be a set-up guy and the Yanks aren’t interested in spending $12M+ for a set-up guy.

    Not to mention the Yanks don’t really have any intention of moving Swisher or Gardner.

  91. Bronx Jeers November 17th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    And in the M’s don’t get it somewhat together by July 2012, we could see another Jack Z. prospect auction for Felix as his salary doubles to nearly 20 mil for 2013-2014. And how many teams can realistically take that on?

    But that’s 18 months from now and my hope would be that this team we follow wouldn’t have that need.

  92. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Here is a pet peeve of mine regarding this blog.

    So many people here speak with such authority. “He is not ready yet.” “The Yankees won’t trade Granderson.”

    How can anyone be so absolutely positive? And I mean positive in it’s “absolutely sure” definition, not it’s “optimistic” definition.

    It seems to me that a lot of arguments would be avoided if some things were couched a little differently – “Based on his AAA stats, it doesn’t look like he’d be read yet.” “Because Granderson made such an improvement in the last half of the season, it’s probably unlikely that the Yankees would trade him.”

    Because unless you are intimately associated with the NY Yankees, how can anyone here speak with such authority?

  93. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Ray -

    Soriano has stated that he has no intention of signing to do anything other than closing.

    I think that if they miss out on Lee and Andy retires they’ll sign either Crawford or Werth but not both and then trade for pitching. Problem is that there’s not much pitching out there to trade for.

    They’ll likely try to add an arm in De La Rosa – but at this point even that becomes more problematic since the second level guys like Westbrook, Lilly and Kuroda have been signed off the market – meaning guys like De La Rosa and Pavano can increase their demands.

  94. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    To me, this could make a difference. King Felix only won 13 games, but Seattle was dead last in the entire major leagues with only 513 runs scored. Compare that with Sabathia and Price; the Yankees were first in runs scored with 859 and Tampa was third in runs scored with 802.

    Having said that, GO SABATHIA!

  95. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    RayVT -

    Yes, but if you flipped them…made Johnson a Red Sox and Hall a Dodger I bet Johnson would have hit for more power than Hall.

  96. 108 stitches November 17th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Cashman would have been a great chess player or perhaps he does play chess and learned his craft of being stealth from doing so.

    No to Bill Hall. A combination of Eduardo Nunez and Brandon Laird serves a better purpose.

    Curious and hopeful that Gil Patterson is the pitching coach hire. Harkey might be disappointed but would stay on because of his long association with Girardi.
    Wouldn’t like to see Scott Aldred or Butch Wynegar moved up for awhile. They’re needed at AAA to keep the good young arms and catchers on track to the Bronx.

  97. Mell November 17th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    “however, to be fair, of the 3 wins Felix had against the Yankees, one was vs AJ (I was there for that one) and one was vs Javy. And the win he had vs Boston was vs Wakie”

    Probably also fair to point out that 3 of those 4 games were on the road and that he pitched 32 1/3 innings and gave up 2 runs. When you’re dealing like that, it doesn’t matter who you’re pitching against.

  98. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 10:18 am & Chip November 17th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    I understand Soriano doesn’t want to wait, but if the Yanks don’t get Lee ($25M/yr) & dont get Andy Back ($12.5M), then I believe they will go hard after offense namely Crawford & Werth and then try to establish a shorter game with a great setup guy. I chose Soriano, but Wood may be the guy they try to get. If they sign both Crawford ($18M) & Werth ($18M) & the setup guy ($15M) then they will need to get rid of Swish ($9M). Swish & Gardner, I believe, would along with Joba bring in a good SP from someone.

  99. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    The Yankees signing Crawford or Werth if the Yankees don’t get Cliff Lee might not be feasible as I can’t see them overspending for those players in a bidding war and then having to go out and spend big again on a starting pitcher. Not to mention the prospects you would lose. Also, Moreno and the Angels have lots of money to spend as does Boston.

    Unfortunately, if they don’t sign Lee I think they will probably try to obtain affordable middle of the rotation guy and try to fill the remaining slots from wtihin.

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Looks like the Tigers are going to sign Benoit.

  101. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Chip November 17th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    You are probably right! I would choose Johnson over Hall still even if he didn’t. LOL!

  102. blake November 17th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Tigers nearing deal with Benoit.

    Mlbtraderumors.com

  103. upstate kate November 17th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    the original point made was that Felix had a better record than CC against better teams, and my point was he wasn’t necessarily facing good pitchers in those wins. Of course if he only gave up 2 runs, it wouldn’t matter who he faced, but perhaps there is less pressure facing AJ than CC.

  104. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Losing both Lee & Pettite would be difficult to overcome. But I think the dollars do add up to sign both, perhaps with longer terms than desired over higher salaries.

    Trading Swish, Gardner & Joba would bring back a quality arm and probably one that is somewhat affordable too at least short term.

  105. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    blake November 17th, 2010 at 10:31 am
    Tigers nearing deal with Benoit.

    Mlbtraderumors.com

    —————————–

    Oh thank the lord – I was terrified that the Yankees would sign this guy.

    I know; he had a great year last year – but I would much rather the Yankees do what Tampa did – bring in a bunch of guys who are coming off injury or bad seasons and hope that one of them becomes Benoit – than overpay for Benoit himself.

    Some candidates:

    Rich Harden
    Joel Zumaya
    Micah Owings
    Scot Sheilds
    Jeremy Bonderman
    Aaron Harang

  106. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    CC pitched half a year on one leg for the Yankees and seemingly where most every game he pitched being important. The Yanks depended on him and he carried the team on his back. He pitched as needed to make sure he preserved himself and helped the team to win.

    Felix on the other hand was a bright spot in a dismal swamp! Whether he won or lost was never important. If he wasn’t on the team or was on the team, they finish last. I truly like him as a pitcher, but the CY Young award should go to CC IMHO.

  107. BIG AL November 17th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    GB7 -

    I haven’t been to Vegas in many years, and with all the new hotels, I might not recognize the place, but, I would love to see those old cars, a real passion for the “Good Old Days.”

  108. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Losing both Lee & Pettite would be difficult to overcome. But I think the dollars do add up to sign both, perhaps with longer terms than desired over higher salaries.

    Trading Swish, Gardner & Joba would bring back a quality arm and probably one that is somewhat affordable too at least short term.

    ****************

    That doesn’t mean you are going to sign Crawford or Werth for an exorbitant amount of money to replace Swisher or Gardner. The Yankees may not be able to even if they wanted to. Crawford may prefer Los Angeles. Are we going to pay him more than a hundred million dollars?

  109. pat November 17th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    I think Lee will be a Yankee but don’t buy the Yankees would be in desperation mode IF they didn’t get Lee.

    Creative people with resources are hardly ever desperate.

    Plan B would be a trade. The farm system is buil to assist the big club through promotion or trades. Not everyone drafted by the NY Yankees is destined to play for the NY Yankees.

    This appears to be a good year for relievers on the market and not so much for starters.

    Plan C could be if you can’t find a starter to give you a solid 7 or 8 innings find a cost controlled starter that can give you a 5 solid innings (Nova?) and back that up with a guy who can give you the 7th and 8th inning when needed (Wood?).

  110. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    I know that Crawford & Werth would cost big bucks and perhaps the Yanks would only sign one of them if they miss out on Lee. Crawford to the Angels though is not a done deal!

  111. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    RayVT,

    How do you know trading Swisher and/or Gardner would bring back a quality arm? Those guys don’t grow on trees. That’s what every team wants but are very hard to get.

    You’re more likely to get a decent arm in return for guys like Montero, Romine, Betances, etc., etc and perhaps a guy like Gardner tossed in that mix.

    They don’t need help in the outfield. Their outfield is pretty good as it stands now. There is no reason to mess with it and I suspect they won’t.

  112. disco stu November 17th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    “Stu-

    Of course you move on if you happen to whiff but the 2ndary options
    are nowhere near as good and way more painful IMO.

    You can’t deny that.”

    MTU – I dont deny that the drop off from Cliff Lee to the next rung of FA talent is enormous and having Lee is far better than not having him.

    But again, the Yankees are not in the position this off-season as they were in 2008. They have 3/5 of the staff already accounted for with CC, AJ, and Hughes. Assuming that Andy returns, then all we are talking about is a 5th starter to round out the rotation when the season begins.

    The Yanks have a done a great job over the past several years of procuring their assets on the farm and now they are beginning to really reap the benefits of their patience … Hughes, Joba, Coke, Gardner all played roles in helping the Yankees win the WS in 2009 and more are on the way … either to help on the ML roster or as chips for the next blockbuster trade.

    And that next blockbuster could very well be a mid-season trade for a front-line starter to help put them over-the-hump again.

    The Yankees dont have to be a finished product on Opening Day – they are hardly ever are, anyway.

  113. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    I know that Crawford & Werth would cost big bucks and perhaps the Yanks would only sign one of them if they miss out on Lee. Crawford to the Angels though is not a done deal!

    *************

    Sure, nothing is a done deal until it happens. I do think that Moreno et al want Crawford badly though, he’s their big get this winter, and they have a big checkbook.

  114. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Al, Harrah’s in Vegas used to have THE car collection. There are quite a few museums in Vegas to see cars…many at the casinos. The Imperial has the collections, but, it changes because most of the cars are for sale. Go and pray you hit the jackpot and buy one.

    MTU mentioned his friend with the GTO. Two of the best of the muscle cars of the 60s are the ’64 Pontiac GOAT and the ’68 Oldsmobile 442. The 1966 Chevelle SS was close.

  115. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    pat November 17th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    That is very true Pat! The Yanks have wealth in cash & MiLB talent. The Yanks also have a few tradeable assets on the MLB roster (Gardner/Swish/Joba).

    I don’t feel they are in a panic mode! That said, I do believe they want Lee badly, but if they don’t get him I think they will go in a different direction of strengthening the offense & trading the assets as necessary to get a very good SP.

  116. BIG AL November 17th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Players like Crawford know they’re getting a big payday, regardless of where they sign, so, it’s a matter of where they prefer to play that will be the deciding factor.

  117. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    I tend to agree with GF -

    Gardner and Swisher are nice players; but they are not centerpieces for a trade for a major arm.

    We’ve seen the kind of pitcher you could get for players like that already this off-season. KC got Vin Mazzarro – a nice mid to back of the rotation starter for David DeJesus. I would expect that by themselves Swisher or Gardner would bring back something similar.

    Maybe you could swing something like: Swisher and Ivan Nova for Randy Wolf and Corey Hart if the Brewers wanted to save some money.

  118. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    ’69 Camaro and ’70 Chevelle 454 will always be my favorite muscle cars.

    I’m more of a truck guy than a car guy these days, but nothing beats the old muscle cars.

    They were works of art and as American as apple pie and the Fourth of July.

  119. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    The answer is I don’t know. I also stated that Joba would be in with Gardner & Swish. The quality arms are probably ones that will be more expensive in 2012 via Arb or FA then.

  120. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    getting a big arm on the trade market could require one of the Yankee outfielders, but, it’s will need to be padded with a lot of minor league talent. That means doubling the cash outlay to pay for the pitcher and getting an outfield replacement. The thought is that you sign pitchers on the FA market and trade for bats. That’s the cheapest way.

  121. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 10:57 am
    ‘69 Camaro and ‘70 Chevelle 454 will always be my favorite muscle cars.

    I’m more of a truck guy than a car guy these days, but nothing beats the old muscle cars.

    ***They were works of art and as American as apple pie and the Fourth of July.***

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    and Mantle launching a pair in the heat of the title runs.

  122. Mell November 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Per Davidoff, Cashman has left Orlando for NYC to resume interviews of pitching coach candidates.

  123. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    I totally agree GB. The premise here is if Andy retires & Yanks miss out on Lee.

    I feel like the Yanks would go with more offense and try to pry away a quality arm from another team using Joba, Gardner & Swish as bait. Of course MiLB players would have to be included too. A 3-way trade would most likely be required for Yanks to pull things off.

  124. Erin November 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    KenDavidoff Brian Cashman has left Orlando for New York to resume the #Yankees’ pitching-coach interviews.

  125. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Tigers deal with Benoit is three years.

  126. BIG AL November 17th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    GB7 -

    I had the first ’65 Mustang fastback off the Ford line. I was young and did not realize then how much it could be worth in the future. Did a lot of engine upgrades etc., and this was a very fast little car. Started as a HiPerf package, dual high rise Offenhauser manifold, dual quad carbs, and Shelby comp clutch. Now, talk about a real Pony car, this was as real as it got in it’s day. On the dyno it was putting out 403 HP.

  127. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Here’s what’s being said about trading Justin Upton. Look at what Towers has to say. It’s gonna cost somebody big. The Florida names aren’t going to cut it alone.

    “USA Today’s Bob Nightengale introduced the idea of Justin Upton as a trade candidate on Monday, and the rumors took off yesterday. Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers told Joel Sherman of the New York Post, “He would be a tough guy to move. But you always seek out the information on what teams will do because you never know if, to get one player, a team will grossly overpay.” Sherman added via Twitter that the D’Backs “have [a] growing belief [they] will trade Upton based on [a] ton of interest.”

    Sherman talked to one team executive who says the Marlins have had the most interest in Upton for a while. An exec speculated that Logan Morrison and Ricky Nolasco would get it done, notes Sherman.”

  128. Mell November 17th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    “Tigers deal with Benoit is three years”

    Did not realize Benoit was 33. He was the best set up guy in the AL last year, but at that age and given the fleeting nature of relief pitching, there’s some small amount of risk there. Be interested in seeing the salary figures.

  129. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Anyway you slice it – not a lot of great options if we don’t get Lee. That’s the advantage of signing a free agent, you don’t have to give up players or prospects. If we have to go out and dig for someone decent through a trade, the price in talent is going to be substantial.

    If Pettitte doesn’t come back, then we have some real challenges ahead. And even if he does, odds of him not getting injured at some point are probably small.

  130. BIG AL November 17th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Got to go – Catch you later.

  131. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Mell -

    Again, I can’t stress how thrilled I am that the Yankees didn’t go down that particular road.

  132. ac1 November 17th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    how is Benoit a Type B free agent? He had a pretty damn good year.

  133. ac1 November 17th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    I feel like it’s most likely Patterson is our next pitching coach.

  134. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    GB7 -

    I agree. It isn’t that Towers wants to trade Upton; it’s just that if he can turn one stud into 3 potential starters – he’s got to make that deal.

    That’s why I was saying yesterday that the Yankees would have to include Hughes and one of the corner outfielders along with a prospect.

    Towers isn’t going to dump Upton the way the Marlins dumped Uggla.

  135. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Ray, beyond Lee and probably De La Rosa, just not much in the way of starting arms out on the FA market. The rest is just chaff. Pavano may be the guy that really cleans up…outside of “Pinstripes”.

    That would mean that unless Cashman deals off his best young arms, there’s not much available. Cashman would be better off bringing in Nova and Phelps until Noesi, Betances and Mitchell are ready. They’re the closest to the top.

    You can almost always find a bat.

  136. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    ac1 November 17th, 2010 at 11:12 am
    how is Benoit a Type B free agent? He had a pretty damn good year.

    —————

    Because he didn’t pitch at all in 2009.

    Compensation is based on your stats over a couple of seasons compared to others. Beniot also wasn’t a closer so there were no saves in his column against other relief pitchers.

  137. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    To get a front line starter via trade the Yankees would need to include one of their corner outfielders, but they can’t build the trade around him.

    By that I mean if you want a front line guy like a CJ Wilson; you’re not getting him for Nick Swisher and filler. You would have to give up a top prospect and a Nick Swisher to get that conversation going.

    The only way around it is, as I suggested above, working with a team that is trying to shed payroll.

    Either taking back both the contracts of Randy Wolf and Corey Hart from Milwaukee or possibly eating the contract of Travis Hafner to get the Indians to include Fausto Carmona.

  138. ac1 November 17th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    Yankees are not trading Hughes for Upton when we are already concerned with pitching depth.

  139. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Hughes isn’t going in an Upton deal. There are no arms available to replace what he can do, beyond Lee. Chamberlain, the kids and even Robertson are different stories. The one arm you don’t move above all else is Banuelos.

    Given all of that, I’d be looking at Billingsley.

  140. Tom in N.J. November 17th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    My Uncle bought a ’72 mustang when he got home from Vietnam. He drove it across country. It was promptly stolen upon his return to NYC in ’74. He reported it and heard nothing for 30+ years. Last year he got a phone call from the NYPD that they found his car at a car show-somebody was trying to sell it and the buyer ran a background check on it. The car is in mint condition and runs great.

  141. RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    I think Jorge de la Rosa will be added as a FA if Pettite leaves and a better option is not available via trade. Since Jorge de la Rosa is a LHP he probably would fare well in Yankee stadium. He is a good #4 or #5 SP option.

  142. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    I agree – the Yankees are not trading Phil Hughes for Justin Upton.

    My point though was that if the Yankees wanted to trade for Justin Upton it would almost certainly cost them Phil Hughes.

  143. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Joelsherman1

    #Diamondbacks have growing belief will trade Upton based on ton of interest. Will not trade Drew.
    27 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter

  144. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Marlins and Rays said to be in on Upton.

  145. Mell November 17th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Scuttlebut on Benoit’s deal is 3 years/$16.5M.

  146. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Not knowing what Pettitte is going to do is not a good position for the Yankees to be in. What little available pitching is out there is going to be long gone at this rate.

    While other clubs can be proactive and go aggressively ahead filling their needs – we wait.

  147. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    GreenBeret7

    Yankees get: Billingsly, Blake and Broxton

    Dodgers get: Gardner, Brackman, Laird, Joba and Nova

    Broxton was moved out of the closer role last year in favor of Kuo and is a FA at the end of the year – could serve as the “bridge” this year and maybe replace Mo a year from now.

    Blake gives the Yankees a RH bat for the bench with power and the ability to play the four corners (also gives the Dodgers some salary relief)

    Dodgers get a starting LF and leadoff hitter, potential fix for their 3b hole, a back of the rotation starter to replace Billingsly a relief pitcher to replace Broxton and a top end prospect.

  148. blake November 17th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    GB,

    I agree. Banuelos should be nearly untouchable. He’s the youngest, has the potential for three plus pitches, and is a Lefty. Also, agree on Billingsly. He’s a good young pitcher that still has upside and could be available for a fair price.

  149. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Stu-

    You said it yourself, “the dropoff …. is enormous”.

    I think that AP will be back but there is certainly no guarantee.

    And AJ ? Please. You’re kidding, right ? Just flip a coin.

    Even if AP comes back and they whiff on Lee they are going to need a MOTR type starter. You don’t want AJ and Nova at the BE of your rotation. A front 3 of CC,AP, PH with AJ and Nova is not enough for the Al East IMO.

    I hope the rotation this coming season is CC,CL,AP, PH, AJ.

    That’s the one I want to go to war with.

    If we miss on CL then we might get someone like Billingsley or Floyd, and add an OF upgrade.

    CL solves the problem the best. That is what we all should hope for IMO. Think positive and hope for the best while preparing for misfortune.

    I do not buy the argument that the options outside of Lee are near as
    good. Not for one minute.

    Sorry but I’ve got to run. Got a hike to do. catch you later.

  150. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Tom, that’s a wild situation, huh?

    I did the same thing. I bought a ’68 Mustang Fastback with a 390 FI. for $3200 through the PX at Camp Enari in Pleiku. When I landed ay Ft Lewis, we got off of the plane, went through processing, was measured for a new uniform and fatigues, went and had 3 steak dinners and a gallon of real milk at 4 AM. after that, a guy comes up and asked me if I wanted to see my car. I figured pictures, but, he had the car unloaded from a flatbed. It was titled and tagged. I drove it back to Michigan. Of course, “I didn’t realize” that my route would take me through the Bonneville Salt Flats.

  151. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    I keep hearing Billingsly’s name. As far as I know the Dodgers need pitching. Where are people reading that Billingsly is a trade candidate?

  152. blake November 17th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Chip,

    All three of those guys could help the Yankees but I think deal is too big with too many moving parts for either side to.be comfortable with. I would zero in on Billingsly..

  153. blake November 17th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Brett,

    There aren’t any…but he’s about to get expensive and if the Dodgers could get pieces for the future and get cheaper then they might be interested….who knows…..

  154. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    GB-

    I almost got up to Bonneville this season. My buddy, the one I told you about, wanted to go but we were aced out by the weather.

    I’m definitely gonna get up there next year.

    See u later.

  155. MTU November 17th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Blake-

    My fallback for Billingsley is Gavin Floyd if we could pry him away.

    Now I really got to run. Later.

    :)

  156. Mell November 17th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Casey Blake as a $6.5M guy off the bench???

  157. ac1 November 17th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    I still believe that joba can do in a deal with arizona. they wanted him in the haren deal before. maybe he will be better in the nl west.

  158. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    If I’m the Dodgers I’m building around Kershaw and Billingsly. As my roster gets expensive, I’d look to move position players first – Kemp, Ethier, Loney, Martin (non-tender candidate).

  159. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    # West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Not knowing what Pettitte is going to do is not a good position for the Yankees to be in. What little available pitching is out there is going to be long gone at this rate.

    While other clubs can be proactive and go aggressively ahead filling their needs – we wait.

    ————

    Good grief. You’re still whining about Pettitte?

    Can you name the last time the Yanks made any major moves before Thanksgiving?

    They rarely do and this season is no different. It’s not like the Yanks are caught with their pants down while the Rays and Red Sox are improving their teams. It’s the A’s, Marlins, and Braves who are getting the headlines right now.

    Pettitte is doing the same thing he’s done the last few seasons and it has not made one iota of difference in the Yanks’ offseason plans.

    When Cliff Lee signs with whomever, you’re gonna see the Yanks be more aggressive with their plans. But don’t expect Lee to sign for a few weeks.

  160. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    ac1 -

    The people in Arizona who wanted Joba in a Haren deal are gone – having been replaced by Kevin Towers who, after a year in New York, knows exactly what Joba is and what his value is at this stage.

  161. Tom in N.J. November 17th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    GB, That must have been fun. How fast did you get that thing up to?

    And it was a wild situation. I drove my uncle up to pick the car up. The look on his face was priceless because he figured the car was nothing more than a rusted lump of steel. He gave the car to his son-so he drive it across the country when he got back from Iraq.

  162. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Nobody said that Billingsley was on the block. Only that he’d be one of the best arms to be gotten in the right deal. He made $4 mil last year and he’s up for arbitration in each of the next two years. He’s going to get at least $9-10 mil this year and more next year. The Dodgers are flat busted.

    If they can get two young, cheap and very good arms along with a 2nd baseman/middle infielder type or a pitcher, young catcher and middle infielder, they’ll deal, especially if money is involved. The Dodgers kick on a good minor leaguer besides. Good…not great.

  163. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Bret -

    Moving Kemp would be as silly as if the Yankees moved Cano a couple of years ago.

    Ethier is the only offensive force on that team right now.

    Loney and Martin could be dumped – in fact the Dodgers will probably try to peel off Loney this winter and replace him with one of the myriad of 1b on the market – my guess is Konerko or LaRoche

  164. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Mell -

    I think the only way you get Billingsly is if you take back a bad contract – either Blake or Martin.

  165. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Tom, the speedometer was pegged out at 140 MPH. Unsure of the real speed. I do know that I could see the fuel gage dropping fast.

  166. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Kemp, Loney and Ethier are getting more expensive as well. I’d look to move them first before I think about breaking up Billingsly and Kershaw as my 1-2 punch.

    I don’t think Billingsly is a realistic target at all because although the Dodgers are strapped for cash they have a boatload of moveable contracts other than Billingsly.

    Who is their worst contract?

    I don’t think they even have one.

  167. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Tom, that’s great. The car has made two great trips then. They did their country proud. They transported two of the best on a ride of a lifetime.

  168. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Much as the Milwaukee owner loves spouting off about the Yankees it wouldn’t shock me if Andy retires to see the Yankees and Brewers do a deal that lands Wolf in the Bronx

    NYY get: Randy Wolf, Corey Hart, Zach Braddock

    Brewers get: Nick Swisher, Ivan Nova, Zolio Almonte (or some other kid up for the Rule V draft that they don’t want to protect but also don’t want to lose for nothing)

  169. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 11:44 am
    Kemp, Loney and Ethier are getting more expensive as well. I’d look to move them first before I think about breaking up Billingsly and Kershaw as my 1-2 punch.

    I don’t think Billingsly is a realistic target at all because although the Dodgers are strapped for cash they have a boatload of moveable contracts other than Billingsly.

    Who is their worst contract?

    I don’t think they even have one.

    ———————————–

    Worst contracts for the Dodgers are Casey Blake and, assuming they don’t non-tender him, Russ Martin.

  170. Mell November 17th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Chip:

    Suppose so. I don’t think the Dodgers would inclined to move Broxton (who Mattingly has voiced commitment to as closer) or Billingsley.

  171. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Chip,

    They’re not stuck with Martin because, like you said, they can non-tender him.

    Casey Blake 3b

    09:$5M, 10:$6M, 11:$5.25M, 12:$6M club option ($1.25M buyout)

    So basically what you’re saying is that they’ll be more likely to move Billingsly because they owe Blake 5.25 million in 2011 and 1.25 million in 2012 for the buyout.

    I don’t see it.

    They have a roster packed with moveable contracts outside of Billingsly and are likely highly motivated to build around a 1-2 punch of Kershaw and Billingsly.

    They may be broke or poor but they’re not stuck.

  172. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Eric Chavez is coming out of retirement/forced vacation to give it another shot. a real pity that his back and shoulder couldn’t hold up. A Graig Nettles clone.

  173. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Giuseppe Franco
    November 17th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Thanks for your opinion. I totally disagree. We have serious problems with our starting rotation this year. After Sabathia and Hughes there is a great deal of uncertainty and since we play in the AL East and pitching is the name of the game that is more than a little concern.

    Logic and basic math dictates that the more days that go by, the more the available pitching options diminish.

  174. Wave Your Hat November 17th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    “NYY get: Randy Wolf, Corey Hart, Zach Braddock

    Brewers get: Nick Swisher, Ivan Nova, Zolio Almonte”

    Exactly why would Milwaukee do that deal? Because they like us?

  175. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    In his younger days, Chavez had the perfect Stadium Swing. Great glove, great power, good average, exceptional run production up the kazoo.

  176. DaSaint007 November 17th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Folks in baseball must think the economy has recovered or are just plain crazy:

    Benoit for 3/$16.5M?
    Buck for 3/$18M?

    Folks in Orlando must have been drinking early. With contracts like these, Cashman will have to reconsider his FA signings. He’s gonna have to skimp on the bench and utility players.

    Joba will get his chance at redemption, as will Cervelli.
    Montero & Romine will get their chance to start or backup.
    Laird & Nunez will have their chances to compete with Pena.

    I don’t believe Thames wants to go to Japan, unless Cashman has already told him he’s not paying him $1M as a bench bat.

  177. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Mell -

    Probably not; which is why I think more realistic targets are guys like Randy Wolf, Jeff Francis, Zach Duke, Paul Maholm, Johnny Cueto, Fausto Carmona, Ryan Dempster…I’m sure I’m forgetting someone – but I think you get the point.

    The problem that the Yankees are starting to run into with trades is this: Cashman has in the past been able to protect his best talent by taking back someone’s bad contract (Javy Vazquez last year) but as you look around baseball there are fewer and fewer bad contracts on middling teams to do that with. So Cashman finds himself in the position of either having to part with top talent, which he’s reluctant to do; or he has to trade lesser talent for a far lesser player and hope that player finds new life in pinstripes.

  178. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Thanks for your opinion. I totally disagree. We have serious problems with our starting rotation this year. After Sabathia and Hughes there is a great deal of uncertainty and since we play in the AL East and pitching is the name of the game that is more than a little concern.

    Logic and basic math dictates that the more days that go by, the more the available pitching options diminish.

    ————

    I’ll be happy to bet you that nothing major happens with this team until Cliff Lee signs his contract (with the Yanks or elsewhere).

    He’s the guy they want and most everything they do thereafter is contingent on what happens with Lee.

    The Jeter negotiations just started and the Mo negotiations haven’t even begun yet (he’s still undecided whether he wants a one or two year deal) and I don’t hear you complaining about that.

    When Lee signs, the rest of the dominoes will start to fall.

  179. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Wave -

    Only reason I could think of would be to shed some $40 mil in contracts that they could possibly pour into Prince.

  180. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Chip,

    Prince is a Boras guy. He WILL be a free agent no matter what the Brewer’s balance sheet looks like.

  181. DaSaint007 November 17th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Chip, when was the last time one of your trades actually worked out? :-)

  182. hardwired7 November 17th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    nice to see that Bob Sheppard, even posthumously, can still add a little class to this world.

  183. Wave Your Hat November 17th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    “Probably not; which is why I think more realistic targets are guys like Randy Wolf, Jeff Francis, Zach Duke, Paul Maholm, Johnny Cueto, Fausto Carmona, Ryan Dempster”

    None of those guys are going to help the Yanks any more than our AAA pitchers will, especially given the cost differential. Trading for those guys is pointless, Cashman isn’t going to go that way.

  184. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal

    #Rays not in rush to trade B.J. Upton, Garza: http://tinyurl.com/32f2zh4 #MLB
    9 minutes ago via web

  185. Wave Your Hat November 17th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    “Only reason I could think of would be to shed some $40 mil in contracts that they could possibly pour into Prince”

    It’s only $40M on an aggregate basis. Neither the Brewers nor the Yanks would be interested in that deal.

  186. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    In the end I still believe what I’ve believed from the start – the Yankees will sign Cliff Lee, Mo, Jeter and Andy and then do some minor tinkering around the edges.

    They’ll bring in a few more arms for the pen (Feliciano/Choate and Balfour)

    They’ll bring in a stick for the bench (Andruw Jones or Troy Glaus)

    They’ll bring in a fourth OF (Rick Ankiel/Reed Johnson type)

    They’ll promote Nunez to replace Pena

    And you’ll get a 25 man of:

    Jeter – SS
    Swisher – RF
    Tex – 1b
    Alex – 3b
    Cano – 2b
    Posada – DH
    Granderson – CF
    Montero – C
    Gardner – LF

    Bench: Jones, Ankiel, Nunez, Cervelli

    Rotation:
    CC, Lee, Hughes, Andy, AJ

    Pen:
    LHP – Logan, Feliciano
    RHP – Mo, Balfour, Robertson, Joba, Moseley/Aceves

  187. DaSaint007 November 17th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Randy Wolf, Jeff Francis, Zach Duke, Paul Maholm, Johnny Cueto, Fausto Carmona, Ryan Dempster.
    ————————
    I’d Pass.

  188. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    I only posted that (the reality) so that you’ll understand when I make these suggestions that they’re in good fun and for entertainment purposes only.

  189. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    DaSaint007 November 17th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    Randy Wolf, Jeff Francis, Zach Duke, Paul Maholm, Johnny Cueto, Fausto Carmona, Ryan Dempster.
    ————————
    I’d Pass.

    —————————-

    As would I – it’s a terrible market out there was the point I was making.

  190. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    The FA season began with just 4 reasonable options for the Yankees….Lee, Pettitte, De La Rosa and making a trade. Pavano and the rest are not options. Cashman knew that going in and Pettitte’s staying or going home…nothing in between. Lee is the logical choice and forcing him to decide now is counter productive. De La Rosa will still be around after those two decide. He and Pavano have nothing to gain by rushing a decision. The rest like Webb will be last hopes for some teams. They’ll be around.

  191. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Chip,

    But it consumes conversation/discussion time which may be spent on more realistic targets.

    It seems that you have your forecast for next year’s roster and you’re content to throw unrealistic stuff out there even if it drowns out other posters who may have a different forecast than your real one.

  192. MorningPerson November 17th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    I think perhaps the obvious names might become less available the more times goes on, but it is possible that the Yankees could put together a deal to land a pitcher no one might think is available on first glance.

  193. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    GB7 -

    The only disagreement I have with your last statement is that with the way second tier guys have been signing – I wouldn’t be so certain that de la Rosa is going to hang on the branch much longer.

    He’s probably looking for a 3 or 4 year deal in the $12 mil/year range given the other signings – his agent may want to see how the Lee talks play out and then approach the teams that don’t get Cliff using his client as the second prize – but it’s entirely possible that a team that knows they’re not in on Lee but wants a pitcher (Baltimore) makes a quick strike.

  194. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    Chip,

    But it consumes conversation/discussion time which may be spent on more realistic targets.

    It seems that you have your forecast for next year’s roster and you’re content to throw unrealistic stuff out there even if it drowns out other posters who may have a different forecast than your real one.

    ——————————————

    Bret –

    I’ve seen people on here posting about getting Josh Johnson and thinking that Nick Swisher or Brett Gardner could be the centerpieces of deals that would bring in All-Star players…I would say I’m far from the only one being unrealistic.

  195. DaSaint007 November 17th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Feliciano is a possibility for the pen. I’d also look at a minor league contract on Justin Duchscherer.

    Frankly, I’d be ok – just ok, starting the season with Mo, Robertson, Joba, Aceves, Feliciano, Logan and Mosely.

  196. West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    I’ll be happy to bet you that nothing major happens with this team until Cliff Lee signs his contract (with the Yanks or elsewhere). He’s the guy they want and most everything they do thereafter is contingent on what happens with Lee. The Jeter negotiations just started and the Mo negotiations haven’t even begun yet (he’s still undecided whether he wants a one or two year deal) and I don’t hear you complaining about that. When Lee signs, the rest of the dominoes will start to fall.

    *******************

    I said above about Pettitte that while other clubs can be proactive and go aggressively ahead filling their needs – we wait. And as you point out, for Lee as well.

    As far as Mo is concerned I am not worried at all, they will give him a 2 year deal if that is what he wants.

    Regarding Jeter. My business gut tells me that there is a big chasm between the sides having to do with the length of the contract being offered. I believe that Hal is talking 3 years and Jeter is probably looking at 5 minimum.

  197. pat November 17th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    GB

    Chavez, according to his agent (so take it for what it’s worth) is healthy and holding up to intense workouts at API.

    Worth taking a flyer on ala Thames last year if he doesn’t get offers elsewhere?

  198. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Chip,

    I didn’t say you’re the only one who throws unrealistic stuff out there. But you’re a forum regular who posts mostly unrealistic stuff when your real forecast is far different. That’s not entertaining for some people because maybe they prefer to discuss more realistic targets. I think you assume that people have an identical forecast for 2011 as yours and therefore don’t mind squandering away free time talking dream/fantasy scenarios for entertainment purposes. It clogs the board and I think you should be more relenting in allowing more time and board space here for discussions to form around other players that perhaps escaped your view when you decided your real roster for 2011.

  199. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Ok Bret-

    Forum is yours…what are the Yankees going to look like in 2011

  200. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal

    More Loria: “We’re always looking for pitching. We want this bullpen to be a tough one. We’re still not done there.” #Marlins #MLB
    2 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

  201. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    pat -

    I would have to pass on Chavez. The difference between him and Thames is that Thames could be counted on to be healthy when you needed him. I just don’t trust Chavez could – regardless of what his agent is spinning.

  202. Chip November 17th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Bret -

    Loria’s an idiot. He’ll probably sign Pavano to a 4 year $45 mil contract and then blame fans not showing up when he trades Josh Johnson for a utilty infielder a year from now.

  203. pat November 17th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Ledger_Yankees
    Staking out hotel lobby would be easier if all execs had their own entrance music, like this one for Hal http://youtu.be/Vm4TG56KGZ4

    :lol:

  204. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    here’s the winter kids and their numbers.

    Josh schmidt is pitching really well, as is Craig Heyer in AZ. Keep an eye on him as an emergency starter/bullpenner or included in a trade. Good stuff. Banuelos is doing well, playing against guys 2-4 years older than him.

    Justin Christian is taking the Mexican League apart.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/org.jsp?id=nyy

  205. DaSaint007 November 17th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    I’d give Thames a guaranteed contract for $1M for 2011. Last year he signed a minor-league deal I believe. He was productive, and has a history with the organization, so he fits in well.

    I’d consider Ankiel for 1M also as a versitile OF bench player since he got $2.75M from KC last year as a starter. Hey, he could always pitch in blowouts along with Swisher.

  206. Erin November 17th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    New Post: Second verse, same as the first

    :arrow:

  207. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    pat November 17th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    GB

    Chavez, according to his agent (so take it for what it’s worth) is healthy and holding up to intense workouts at API.

    Worth taking a flyer on ala Thames last year if he doesn’t get offers elsewhere?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    pat, I always hated seeing him against NYYs. It seems that no good ever came from those appearances. Great glove man and power. I agree that the bat would be nice as well as an emergency for Rodriguez. I doubt that’s what he’s looking at, though. Dodgers (if they let Blake go), Twins, Baltimore, Mariners or Red sox if Beltre leaves would be more likely, I’d think. Low base, high incentives? He was certainly a Nettles type of talent, though.

  208. DaSaint007 November 17th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    I don’t think that Chavez could expect a starting job considering his injury history. But he could rebuild value spelling ARod and Jeter on occassion for next season.

  209. Bret The Hitman November 17th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Chip,

    First, my real 2011 roster has Cliff Lee. I’m not a huge fan because he’s a pure mercenary but I won’t cry when they sign him. They tried to get him twice and I suspect they offered Montero at the trade deadline because they wanted to completely eliminate any possibility of another team using the second half of the year to win him over and sell him on their city. Having Cliff Lee for the 2010 playoffs is a nice bonus but the Yankees were not taking any chances with their long term plan.

    Second, I believe the Yankees are still hot for Crawford but they’ve done an excellent job downplaying it while playing up their satisfaction with the OF situation. I’ve seen enough posturing so far this off season to convince me that they’re shopping everyone. I believe the Yankees are flying under the radar with Crawford. Somewhere along the lines, LOHUD became brainwashed into thinking that Cliff Lee means no Carl Crawford and Crawford means no Cliff Lee. We’ll get both.

    Payroll is a valid topic. I believe the Yankees want to move Swisher’s contract so that they can fit both Lee and Crawford into Hal’s budget. Cashman must line up trades for Gardner now because he can’t be stuck with him in a bench role scenario after Crawford signs.

    My 2011 team has Crawford in LF and Gardner traded.

    The Yankees have to find a way to turn a Gardner trade and a Swisher deal into a cheap but good young RF and a setup guy with closer potential. Prospects might be needed/used to fill out these trades. Joba is a goner as well.

  210. Abe Peterham November 17th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Buzz kill
    I like sheppard, but how about congress works on lowering my taxes instead..

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