Gardenhire finally wins Manager of the Year
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 17, 2010 
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In what seemed to be a two-man race, Twins manager Ron Gardenhire has finally won the American League Manager of the Year award, beating second-place finisher Ron Washington. Gardenhire had previously been the runner-up five times.
The Padres Bud Black won in the National League.
I didn’t have a Manager of the Year vote this year — I voted for the rookies* — but my vote would certainly have gone to Gardenhire. I’m actually a little surprised at how many second-place votes went to Joe Maddon. Nothing against Maddon, I just thought Gardenhire and Washington, in either order, were easy choices at 1 and 2.
Joe Girardi got one third-place vote and finished sixth in the final standings.
| 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Points | |
| Ron Gardenhire, Minnesota Twins | 16 | 8 | 4 | 108 |
| Ron Washington, Texas Rangers | 10 | 8 | 7 | 81 |
| Joe Maddon, Tampa Bay Rays | 1 | 10 | 9 | 44 |
| Terry Francona, Boston Red Sox | 2 | 7 | 13 | |
| Cito Gaston, Toronto Blue Jays | 1 | 5 | ||
| Joe Girardi, New York Yankees | 1 | 1 |
* My Rookie of the Year ballot: 1. Feliz, 2. Jackson, 3. Davis.
Ron Washington’s not a good manager – he’s a manager who was blessed with a talent laden team and he didn’t screw it up.
Gardy absolutely deserves this award. No manager does more with less than him year after year.
White Sox signed Dallas McPhereson to a minor league deal…in Webster’s under Quadruple A player there is a picture of McPhereson.
Ron Washington’s not a good manager – he’s a manager who was blessed with a talent laden team and he didn’t screw it up.
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Chip, with that comment, some could say the same about Girardi. Or was that where you were heading?
DaSaint007 November 17th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Ron Washington’s not a good manager – he’s a manager who was blessed with a talent laden team and he didn’t screw it up.
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Chip, with that comment, some could say the same about Girardi. Or was that where you were heading?
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Pretty much sums up my opinion of Girardi.
Girardi tries to make too many adjustments, Torre never made enough – I would love a happy medium.
“Chip, with that comment, some could say the same about Girardi.”
Plenty have.
Second verse same as the first
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A reference to Herman’s Hermits ? LOL
They got this one right….Tito should have been 2nd.
WCYF -
Responding to your post from the last thread…I’m sure Detroit looked at all the factors when signing Beniot; it doesn’t mean it was a good deal.
The Yankees looked at all the factors when they signed Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright – didn’t make those good deals either.
Teams make bad signings all the time – in my opinion – Detroit just made a wopper.
Congrats to Gardenhire!
It must be fun to just make stuff up like Beltre used steroids and how many extra homeruns Alex hit by using.
Poor gardenhire, having to manage a team with Justin Morneau, Joe Mauer, Michael Cuddyer, Jason Kubel, Jim Thome, Delmon Young, Denard Span, Carl Pavano, Francisco Liriano, Joe Nathan, etc.
Rodriguez at most picked up 15-20 homers from any benefit from steroids he may have received from 2001-2003. That’s at best, 10%. If he hits 785 homers, it’s not clean?
# GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
God…those were good times with Mr. Krispy Kreme, wasn’t it?
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Indeed.
He obviously had a soft spot for the both of us – although I didn’t receive the infamous emails that you and others did.
Just don’t praise A-Rod in any manner and certainly don’t insult Kim Jones and you and PA will be Dunkin Donut buddies til the end.
alright, Erin…quit starting trouble by congratulating others managers.
Chip November 17th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
A-Rod’s contract isn’t bad – it just looks bad.
Since the time Alex signed the contract the economy took a hit bringing down the numbers for most contracts around the game; he got dinged for ‘roids; and underwent hip surgery.
At the time the Yankees signed him to the contract Alex was going to be the player who got the * off the HR record by shattering Bonds’s number. He was a player who never suffered a major injury in his career and was a marketing golden goose for the Yankees.
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Chip-
ARod opted out of the highest contract in sports history. Cashman warned him not to, said he wouldn’t bring him back if he did, and ARod did anyway.
No other team in baseball was willing to give ARod a better contract than the Yankees. When ARod finally realized that, he went crawling back with his tail between his legs.
Hank overruled ARod and brought him back.
That’s not what makes it a bad contract. What makes it a bad contract is that they gave him a raise.
He was already the highest paid player in sports history, turned his back on his team, and was scolded with a RAISE.
There wasn’t any need for a raise. There was no competition.
ARod’s contract may pay for itself with all the things everyone has been talking about, but the fact is they could have made MORE money off of it.
I’m glad A-Rod is on this team, but whenever you bid against yourself, it’s bad business.
I’ve said this before – and I suppose I’ll continue saying it. The overall quality of managers has taken a major hit over the last 10 years in my opinion.
As you start getting more and more GMs who worship at the idol of the Beane; you find a trend developing where they want to hire managers who are more about the execution of a GM’s plan then being able to think on their feet.
Forget Torre – because a lot of what made Torre successful was Don Zimmer’s ability to see the whole game unfold – but so many of today’s managers are just overwhelmed when a situation arises that doesn’t conform to what they have laid out in their nicely printed charts that you wind up with guys who panic – make tons of pitching changes and invariably make the situation worse by not letting a game breathe….if any of this sounds familiar it’s only because you’ve watched Girardi when a game starts to go against the Yankees in quick fashion.
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
alright, Erin?quit starting trouble by congratulating others managers.
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LMAO
Anything to stir things up….
Clearly the Boston loving media contigent had little effect with their “Francona for manager of the year” campaign that started once it appeared the Red Sox were out of any kind of contention.
No one even gave him a 1st place vote yet I remember McCarver publicly stumping on Fox for Francona to be handed the award.
I think Boston’s media mafia are starting to lose their mojo.
GF, it all started about my remark about Jones looking like the back end of a ’58 Buick. Completely harmless and I was scarred for life.
H-Wired….strange that absolutely not a peep about where Kerry Wood might be going.
***Hank overruled ARod and brought him back.
TYPO: overruled Cashman.
# GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
GF, it all started about my remark about Jones looking like the back end of a ‘58 Buick. Completely harmless and I was scarred for life.
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LOL. He would have stapled that scarlet letter to your chest personally if he could.
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
You kill me here! LOL! I remember almost everyone wanting to trade Cano & sign the better 2B in Orlando Hudson! It is a very good thing we don?t have a vote to whom the Yanks sign or trade!
Jerkface -
I’m going to have to ban you for suggesting that Carl Pavano is a quality player.
GF, I can still out run him.
I could understand it if I had called her Trigger or asked that she count to 5 by stomping her hoof. That would seem cruel and personal.
I think that a ’58 buick was a great looking car…a little wide, maybe.
GB
They did count on the milestone boosts but he’s also doing many signings now for Steiner throughout the year where autographs cost between $250-$450 each.
They had 400 people in line for a 3 hour signing for Alex and almost had a riot on their hands because the volume wasn’t physically possible to do. Other players were at the same signing with no lines.
They did a signing this summer where they limited tickets sold to 250 to avoid the same mess.
He’s made lots of money for himself but he’s making lots of money for other people too.
RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
You kill me here! LOL! I remember almost everyone wanting to trade Cano & sign the better 2B in Orlando Hudson! It is a very good thing we don?t have a vote to whom the Yanks sign or trade!
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And those were the ones that made sense…to at least two people….neither worked for the Yankees, thank God.
BJK -
I’m not sure I get your point – unless you’re just saying that Alex Rodriguez might be the smartest business man to ever wear a baseball uniform.
Alex didn’t crawl back – he played his hand perfectly. Put all the blame on Boras (in a wonderfully scripted act) and got exactly what he wanted. Kudos to him man.
Alexs contract has nothing to do with the economy.
The top free agents have not gotten hit. Its the midlevel and lower level guys.
The top guys will always get their money.
Alexs contract looks bad because it is bad.
Arod made a brilliant move opting out when he did. If he played out his original Texas contract, he’d be hitting free agency with a PED label, a hip problem and declining numbers. It’s like a perfect storm hit after the moment the guy signed on the dotted line. He’d be lucky to get 4 years and 60 million at present.
His opting out also released Texas from having to pay the Yankees part of his salary for the remainder of the deal.
He completely made a incredible move financially for himself that in the end has hurt the Yankees long term (2009 WS title aside).
Not only did it relieve Texas of it’s financial burden giving them more money to play with, it tied up the Yankees long term to a different player than they thought they were signing. It also created a contract window to 42 that Jeter probably thinks he deserves more than Arod.
I hope the Yankees can win another title or two in the next 6 years because that deal is going to choke them until it’s complete.
Still, I don’t fault Arod. He took a huge risk (almost an insane risk knowing he used PED’s and could have tested positive in Texas and be on the list) and he won out.
Now you hear the poor owner in St. Louis trying to figure out a way not to give Pujols the same contract of 10 years for 300 million.
While everyone would want Pujols on their team, I’m not sure everyone would want to make that financial commitment to him long term.
Arod looked to be the clean, healthy, future HR king when he signed the extension.
Once the ink dried, it’s a completely different story.
St. Louis should proceed with caution but will have to cave into Pujols’ demands because of Arod’s power play a few years back.
That opt out didn’t just effect the Yankees.
GB,
I probably could have outran him early this year even though I was using a walker. It would have been one hell of a race.
The Yanks needed a righty power bat to play 3B and ARod needed 300 million dollars.
A match made in heaven.
pat, as villified as he gets in the media and on blogs and other sites, he is a money making machine for everyone that comes in business contact with him. I think he’s going to make the team their money back. I mean, we’re not talking real money…this is just baseball money.
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
pat, as villified as he gets in the media and on blogs and other sites, he is a money making machine for everyone that comes in business contact with him. I think he’s going to make the team their money back. I mean, we’re not talking real money…this is just baseball money.
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More importantly – it ain’t my money.
Chip November 17th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Very true except the Torre part! What makes a great manager is the coaches he hires. It was Torre who brought on Zimmer! It wasn’t Torre who got rid of him or Mel either for that matter.
What make Joe G bad IMO, is he is reluctant to have anyone as a coach that threatens him. Can you imagine Girardi with Bowa? Mel? Zimmer? Randolph? Mattingly? The only ones he has that are threats are Pena & Long & he didn’t chose them, Cash did.
GM’s have shown that they can make teams money doing it their way or their owners way. It is a power struggle that they win because they hire/fire & control the money.
Chip
What are you even talking about with this manager stuff?
The new style of managing that people like Cashman want are those that equip themselves with as much tools as possible to think MORE.
Bronx Jeers November 17th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
The Yanks needed a righty power bat to play 3B and ARod needed 300 million dollars.
A match made in heaven
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Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
GB,
I probably could have outran him early this year even though I was using a walker. It would have been one hell of a race
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You could have called me to cheer you on. i could have tripped him. Probably the first time in years that somebody could have seen his feet.
I’m going to have to ban you for suggesting that Carl Pavano is a quality player.
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You seem to let these preconceived notions you have obscure the real value of players. Swisher = role player so of course his contributions are diminished. Pavano = injured nobody on the yankees so of course he can’t be a good starter.
Pavano threw 225 innnings with a 3.75, won 17 games had 7 CG an 2 SHOs. He pounds the strike zone and doesn’t walk anybody. He is an incredibly useful starting pitcher, especially for the mid-tier teams.
Chip November 17th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
I’m not sure I get your point – unless you’re just saying that Alex Rodriguez might be the smartest business man to ever wear a baseball uniform.
Alex didn’t crawl back – he played his hand perfectly. Put all the blame on Boras (in a wonderfully scripted act) and got exactly what he wanted. Kudos to him man.
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My points are:
1) ARod is one of the smartest (and luckiest timing-wise) business man to ever wear a baseball uniform.
2) Hank Steinbrenner is not one of the smartest for bidding against himself on a player no one else was signing.
3) A shrewder negotiator than Hank would have had ARod as a Yankee for less money, and that’s why many consider it a bad contract.
Let’s see how much money Alex generates as a 40+ year old DH.
Just like Jeter much of his marketing power is contingent on his ability and the Yankees winning.
New wave managers are not whatever chip is describing. GM’s don’t say “NEVER STEAL BASES” or whatever silly thing Chip thinks. They say “steal when its the most advantageous. Steal with players that have a high chance of success. Steal if the expected success is better than 90%”
I mean don’t we hear all the time that all of the Yankees with speed have green lights? Wouldn’t Cashman be ordering Girardi to have them steal by the book???
Maybe its this new breed of player that is seduced by stats.
RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Chip November 17th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Very true except the Torre part! What makes a great manager is the coaches he hires. It was Torre who brought on Zimmer! It wasn’t Torre who got rid of him or Mel either for that matter.
What make Joe G bad IMO, is he is reluctant to have anyone as a coach that threatens him. Can you imagine Girardi with Bowa? Mel? Zimmer? Randolph? Mattingly? The only ones he has that are threats are Pena & Long & he didn’t chose them, Cash did.
GM’s have shown that they can make teams money doing it their way or their owners way. It is a power struggle that they win because they hire/fire & control the money.
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Ray – it’s no coincidence that the Yankees suffered when Zim left after the ’03 season.
Torre never trusted any of his subsiquent bench coaches because they were all guys branded as being managers in waiting.
Pavano would have been the 2nd best pitcher on the Yankees last year.
He was very good.
What make Joe G bad IMO, is he is reluctant to have anyone as a coach that threatens him.
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Which is why he has one of the guys who interviewed for the HC job on his bench????
If The Family doesn’t believe it’s a bad contract…guess what? It’s not a bad contract. Cashman’s being paid to think every contract is a bad contract.
Slightly over 2 years ago…NO ONE SAW THIS COMING:
The Yankees traded infielder Wilson Betemit and minor league pitchers Jeff Marquez and Jhonny Nunez to Chicago in exchange for the switch-hitting Swisher and minor league pitcher Kanekoa Texeira.
Where are they now?
Betemit just finished a pretty good season with the Royals.
Marquez pitched 1 game for the White Hose in 2010.
Nunez pitched in 7 games.
And Texeira was traded to Seattle and then the Royals.
Jerkface November 17th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
I’m going to have to ban you for suggesting that Carl Pavano is a quality player.
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You seem to let these preconceived notions you have obscure the real value of players. Swisher = role player so of course his contributions are diminished. Pavano = injured nobody on the yankees so of course he can’t be a good starter.
Pavano threw 225 innnings with a 3.75, won 17 games had 7 CG an 2 SHOs. He pounds the strike zone and doesn’t walk anybody. He is an incredibly useful starting pitcher, especially for the mid-tier teams.
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Uh-huh.
Carl Pavano is a lazy sack who realizes that the only way he is going to continue to make millions of dollars is by pitching well in his contract years.
Any team that signs him for more than a 1 year deal is making an epic mistake.
How do you even know Joe G is reluctant? Kevin Long got the hitting coach job because Mattingly wasn’t very good and was moving to the bench to try and get managerial experience so he could interview for the job after Torre left. Long came on board at the major level in 07, with Torre.
Carl Pavano is a lazy sack who realizes that the only way he is going to continue to make millions of dollars is by pitching well in his contract years.
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Regardless of your opinion of him, it was no skin off Gardenhire’s back to have him throw 225 quality innings for the Twins in the weak AL Central. Made it really easy to manage with his low pitch counts.
Jerkface November 17th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
What make Joe G bad IMO, is he is reluctant to have anyone as a coach that threatens him.
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Which is why he has one of the guys who interviewed for the HC job on his bench????
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Which goes to my point about GMs wanting puppets – Joe Girardi didn’t hire Tony Pena, Dave Eiland, Rob Thompson or Kevin Long – Cashman did.
The two coaches that Girardi did have a hand in were Mike Harkey who Cashman is very reluctant to give any responsibility to (bullpen’s coach job is to ask the relief pitcher if he’s ready to go and then wave his hat) and Bobby Meachem (fired after one year)
Think Girardi’s opinion will be a major factor in who is the new pitching coach?
Simon, those are deals that Cashman excels at. Quiet and under the table. Much like Teixeira. The others are taking on players and getting the “poorer teams” to pay most of the freight. Like Kearns, Wood and Berkman.
Girardi talks with Cashman every day, I am sure he had no say what-so-ever in choosing his coaches.
On the other hand – in 1996 Joe Torre brought in all his coaches except for Willie.
Chip
Everything we have ever heard about Girardi and Cash is that they are extemely tight to the point where they talk everyday.
Girardi is involved in everything and Cashman values his input and the rest of the team he assembled in the front offfice very much.
I don’t know where you get this stuff from.
LGY
Alex and Derek have transcended being baseball players. They are now celebrities who play baseball.
Like Ruth, DiMaggio and Mantle, their fame/infamy will be revenue generating forever for someone.
Clearly, the Yankees bid against themselves with ARod, but I dont recall people complaining about the contract during the 2009 post-season when Alex pulled out his Roy Hobbs impersonation.
However, I do recall many people saying that the Yankees would NEVER win a championship as long as ARod was wearing pinstripes prior to 2009.
So how do we truly meaure the value of his contract to the team after 3 seasons? Overpaid or not, he may have been the single biggest reason the Yankees won the crown in 2009 … doesnt that count for something?
Jerkface November 17th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Girardi talks with Cashman every day, I am sure he had no say what-so-ever in choosing his coaches.
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A child talks to his parents every day – doesn’t mean the child gets to decide what kind of car dad buys.
pat, they are the gifts that keep on giving and I think that Pettitte and River could be like that, if they choose.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Chip
Everything we have ever heard about Girardi and Cash is that they are extemely tight to the point where they talk everyday.
Girardi is involved in everything and Cashman values his input and the rest of the team he assembled in the front offfice very much.
I don’t know where you get this stuff from.
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To repeat:
A child talks to his parents every day – dad wants to buy a new car the kid doesn’t have a major say in it.
***Rivera***
Mojo is a funny thing! It is there for you when you are winning & fades quickly when you lose!
The RSox are a season away from being in real financial trouble. LOL! Their sellouts are based on the market for their tickets as they are sold to High Class scalpers who adjust the price to make their profit. The RSox get the cash flow & guarantee sellouts. Of course if they lose, the price drops & their media campaign to sell memorabilia does too. They have to walk a fine line! TB going belly up helps them, but a strong Toronto team along with the Yanks could put them under!
Speaking of Beltre….
MikeSilvermanBB: espndeportes reporting #athletics offer for ABeltre was for 5 yrs, $64M, not $45M. Big difference #redsox
Pat
The idea is to win baseball games not assemble a team of celebrities.
Like Cashman said that stuff does not translate in his world and unless you are a Steinbrenner it shouldn’t for you either.
A child talks to his parents every day – dad wants to buy a new car the kid doesn’t have a major say in it.
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And you know that Girardi is treated as a child because??? Citations needed.
Mantle’s signature makes the Mantle family more than he ever made as a player. He signed tons of stuff in the last year before he died.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Pat
The idea is to win baseball games not assemble a team of celebrities.
Like Cashman said that stuff does not translate in his world and unless you are a Steinbrenner it shouldn’t for you either.
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Cashman also said that he leaves the business side to Randy Levine, Lonn Trost and the SteinBrothers – who do look at the marketing side of things.
Pat
You are also only working off figures and assumptions where they were great players on great teams.
You think a 42nd year old Alex Rodriguez is worth the same or even similar he is today?
I don’t no matter how popular they are now.
Jerkface November 17th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
A child talks to his parents every day – dad wants to buy a new car the kid doesn’t have a major say in it.
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And you know that Girardi is treated as a child because??? Citations needed.
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Well a general lack in say on his coaching staff – being force fed those stupid rules as to how to stretch out Joba…he may not be a child, but he’s certainly not sitting at the grown-up table on Thanksgiving.
Jerkface November 17th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
I totally agree with you! Still I don’t want Carrl on the Yankees! LOL!
If these players now are still make extra ciricular money for the Yankees now and in the immediate future, that means the money is there to pay for replacements. Now, they have the farm system to bring in talented, young, home grown, cheap replacements.
disco stu November 17th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
So how do we truly meaure the value of his contract to the team after 3 seasons? Overpaid or not, he may have been the single biggest reason the Yankees won the crown in 2009 … doesnt that count for something?
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In my opinion, it counts for something, just not as much as they spent on him.
With that logic, why not pay him $40 million a year? As long he delivers a World Series?
Every player has their worth determined by a team. Then it’s up to that team to try to get the best deal.
Over-pay when you have to (Sabathia, probably Lee).
They didn’t have to over-pay A-Rod. They chose to. If he wins them 5 more rings, they still could have gotten a better deal on them.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Pat
The idea is to win baseball games not assemble a team of celebrities.
Like Cashman said that stuff does not translate in his world and unless you are a Steinbrenner it shouldn’t for you either.
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And since, at the end of the day it is Steinbrenners who will write the check – their’s are the final votes on Jeter.
Well a general lack in say on his coaching staff – being force fed those stupid rules as to how to stretch out Joba…he may not be a child, but he’s certainly not sitting at the grown-up table on Thanksgiving.
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How do you know he was force fed? Girardi, Cashman, and Eiland worked on the routine for Joba (and Phil) based on the results they were getting. Joba failed at the rules, not the Yankees.
Additionally the only time we’ve seen Cashman state Girardi was not allowed a say in coaching was Eiland’s firing, considering how special of a case it was , that is evidence that Girardi has significant input on coaching.
You are one of the craziest people on here. From your trades, to your insane traditionalist views on baseball, its really odd.
If these players now are still make extra ***curricular***
It is entirely Joba’s fault, due to lack of concentration and loss of command, that he couldn’t get out of the 2 inning of his ‘pitch limited’ starts.
He had 60-70 pitches to work with in those starts and just failed.
Jerkface -
Regarding the GM/manager relationship: Here, here.
(And that’s all I dare say.)
Who would do Granderson and Joba for Justin Upton?
Chip November 17th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Torre was more of a director or CEO type manager who depended on his coaches. When they took Zim & Mel away they disabled him. There were no Mgrs in waiting on the Yanks that Torre didn’t want there! He also lost Willie to the Mets. I like Ron Guidry, but he isn’t a pitching coach or at least not then.
Reggie Jackson still makes money for the Yankees. George M. Steinbrenner bought jackson’s name for two reasons…ego and there’s money to be made for the team for having Yankee HOFer Reggie jackson.
“And since, at the end of the day it is Steinbrenners who will write the check – their’s are the final votes on Jeter.”
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Optimally, they wouldn’t have the final vote.
All baseball decisions, and Derek Jeter is a baseball decision, should be left to Cashman and his team.
Chip you should watch The Club on MLB Network, it shows how the GM and the manager work together. No manager is sitting in the corner while the GM makes all the decisions.
The phillies one was particularly enlightening. Ruben Amaro and Charlie were discussing who to take on the 25 man roster at the end of spring. Those 2, in addition to the coaches and some other people, had a round table to discuss it.
Owners always should have the final decision.
Players like Jeter, Rivera and Rodriguez are not just baseball decisions. They are also business decisions.
RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Chip November 17th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Torre was more of a director or CEO type manager who depended on his coaches. When they took Zim & Mel away they disabled him. There were no Mgrs in waiting on the Yanks that Torre didn’t want there! He also lost Willie to the Mets. I like Ron Guidry, but he isn’t a pitching coach or at least not then.
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I don’t think that it’s a question of Torre not wanting Willie, Girardi or Mattingly (obviously he wanted Donnie or else he wouldn’t have taken him to LA with him with the expressed understanding that Mattingly would replace him one day)
I think it’s more that the relationship Torre had at times with George – where George often thought Joe got too much credit, etc – coupled with the fact that Torre never wanted Zim to go and these guys were replacing Zim made him uncomfortable.
“Owners always should have the final decision.”
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That is not how most corporations are run.
Isn’t Girardi involved w/ the pitching coach search?
Baseball isn’t a normal business, either….as much as some like to believe.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
“And since, at the end of the day it is Steinbrenners who will write the check – their’s are the final votes on Jeter.”
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Optimally, they wouldn’t have the final vote.
All baseball decisions, and Derek Jeter is a baseball decision, should be left to Cashman and his team
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Well first of all I think that Levine, Trost and the SteinBrothers would argue that Derek isn’t just a baseball decision. There is a baseball aspect to it and then there is a marketing aspect to it.
Cashman’s right to say that the marketing isn’t his concern – it isn’t his job to worry about that and he’s not qualified to worry about it. But the Yankees employ others who are there to worry about the marketing side of things and they too get a voice.
You’re not talking about Randy Winn here – this is a big money decision on a man who has been and remains the face of the Yankees for a decade and a half.
Thinking that it’s “purely baseball” is naive.
How on earth did Girardi get a vote? Must have been a joke, like the Minnesotans who voted for Lizard People.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
“Owners always should have the final decision.”
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That is not how most corporations are run.
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Most corporations are run by a board of directors that weigh all sorts of factors. No corporate decision is based on any one factor as you suggest the Jeter signing should be.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
“Owners always should have the final decision.”
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That is not how most corporations are run.
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That depends on the size of the corporation, it’s structure, what they do and ultimately what the board of directors and/or owner(s) decide.
Chip November 17th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
True, but losing Zim & Mel cost Torre & the Yankees several WS IMO.
LGY
I’ve often said if the Steinbrenner’s aren’t giving me the money they don’t pay to players, they could burn it in Times Square for all I care.
Whether a millionaire or a billionaire has a few extra millions in their pocket at the end of the day; it doesn’t pay my mortgage.
If your concern is just on field performance related, they have to pay him but they don’t have to play him. Kei Igawa told me that.
Chip,
My premise is based on the optimal scenario.
Optimally, when the supposed main objective of a baseball team is to win baseball games, it should be solely a baseball decision left to Cashman and his team.
Cashman on hiring a coach:
I wouldn’t hire someone and force him on [Girardi] if he didn’t want him. I’ve always been that way, whether it was Joe Torre or Joe Girardi. It would never work that way. It’s a collaborative effort
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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
I’m loving this Notre dame-army game at the Stadium. One thing is for certain….there will not be any Grantland Rices cover and writing about the game.
“Outlined against a blue-gray October sky, the Four Horsemen rode again”
WC,
Yeah I meant to say *large* corporations. My mistake.
RayVT November 17th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Chip November 17th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
True, but losing Zim & Mel cost Torre & the Yankees several WS IMO.
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Zim – yes; Mel – meh
I’m going to catch a lot of hate for this but Terry Francona deserved to win manager of the year. Also, Ron Gardenhire is a really bad manager.
“Most corporations are run by a board of directors that weigh all sorts of factors. No corporate decision is based on any one factor as you suggest the Jeter signing should be.”
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Of course.
Factors are weighed in order to best meet your ultimate objective.
Calling it a baseball decision doesn’t make it a one factor test Chip. There are many, many factors involved in it.
OK, so Cashman’s paying the baseball part of Jeter’s contract and Yankee Global is paying the marketing part.
“OK, so Cashman’s paying the baseball part of Jeter’s contract and Yankee Global is paying the marketing part.”
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How do you know that?
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Chip,
My premise is based on the optimal scenario.
Optimally, when the supposed main objective of a baseball team is to win baseball games, it should be solely a baseball decision left to Cashman and his team.
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But the Yankees aren’t just a baseball team. They are a multi-billion dollar corporation. The team is one aspect of that corporation – the greatest aspect – but it doesn’t exist unto itself.
The axiom in sports is that it’s better to part with a player too early than too late (which is why Matsui and Damon aren’t Yankees) but every so often there are guys you hold onto until THEY are ready to leave.
Baltimore did it with Cal; Boston’s doing it with Varitek and the Yankees will do it with Jeter.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
WC, Yeah I meant to say *large* corporations. My mistake.
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You’re right, I think most large corporations are run that way. The Yankees are a fascinating organization in so many respects, starting with their penchant for secrecy. I’d love for someone who worked on the inside to write a credible tell all book.
I know that because it will annoy you immensely.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
“Most corporations are run by a board of directors that weigh all sorts of factors. No corporate decision is based on any one factor as you suggest the Jeter signing should be.”
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Of course.
Factors are weighed in order to best meet your ultimate objective.
Calling it a baseball decision doesn’t make it a one factor test Chip. There are many, many factors involved in it.
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Right and so Cashman’s opinion is only one vote. Levine and Trost will also have votes. At the end of the day the Bosses will weigh all those opinions and then do what they want to do.
Chip November 17th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
LOL! Well Mel vs Gator! Which do you prefer?
Ray -
Fair point.
Chip,
I have no issue with the Yankees retaining Derek Jeter. I want Derek Jeter retained.
My issue is with how much they pay him, because I believe it may be a detriment to team especially if it goes beyond a certain price point and a certain amount of years.
I think that a baseball team like the Yankees (and I could be wrong but this is my optimal scenario) is most profitable by winning the most games. That winning WS will make the Yankees operate at their greatest capacity financially regardless of the names on the field.
To meet that goal, I think owners need to stay completely out of personnel decisions.
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
I know that because it will annoy you immensely.
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I’m liking you more and more…
I think that makes us both uncomfortable.
Patrick
what is MOY based on?
I would agree that the red sox played better than I expected given all the injuries.
However, there was a lot of discontent reported in that clubhouse. Elsbury, in particular, got called out by team mates for supposedly not being injured, not rehabbing w/ the team etc. I think part of the manager’s job is keeping all that stuff in house.
And Gardenhire once again made it to the play offs, despite all the injuries his team suffered.
“I know that because it will annoy you immensely.”
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Interesting that you put your petty grudges ahead of the team you supposedly root for.
Also, an interesting way to avoid the question I asked you.
With the Yankees, there is really only one decision to be made! LOL! Will this guy help us win and put us over the top? If the answer is yes, they make the deal. Now the Yanks will structure their deal to make sure the Yanks get the cash flow from winning & marketing. If the guy isn’t needed, no deal!
The two traditionalists basically taking a stance of ‘trolling’? Shocking.
Chip November 17th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
I find myself agreeing with you on almost everything today! Maybe I should just copy “Chip – Ditto!”
“Right and so Cashman’s opinion is only one vote. Levine and Trost will also have votes. At the end of the day the Bosses will weigh all those opinions and then do what they want to do.”
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If that is how these decisions are handled, I think the Yankees could be run much more efficiently and effectively in their effort in win World Series Titles.
Now, the report on Justin Upton is that the cost is 4 to five top players and at least three to be ML ready. I’m guessing that Upton will be a FA in about 5 years and ‘Zona gets 2 draft picks, unless the CBA changes that.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
I have no issues over what they pay Jeter! I just want them to retain him! Hmm!
upstate kate,
I think MOY is based on how much of a positive effect the manager had on a team’s win total. In other words, even though the Twins won a ton of games, I don’t think Gardenhire really helped them get there. On the other hand, I think the Red Sox won more games than they should have won given their talent and I think Francona was at least some part of that.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Chip,
I have no issue with the Yankees retaining Derek Jeter. I want Derek Jeter retained.
My issue is with how much they pay him, because I believe it may be a detriment to team especially if it goes beyond a certain price point and a certain amount of years.
I think that a baseball team like the Yankees (and I could be wrong but this is my optimal scenario) is most profitable by winning the most games. That winning WS will make the Yankees operate at their greatest capacity financially regardless of the names on the field.
To meet that goal, I think owners need to stay completely out of personnel decisions.
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Look, I’m not thrilled with the idea of a 39 year old SS, nor am I thrilled with the idea of Derek at 3b.
But the reality of the situation is that the Yankees; through their financial might, can deal with diminishing returns from Jeter by boosting the team in other places to cover for him.
I’m not going to get in a twist if the Yankees sign Derek to a 3 or 4 year deal because, at the end of the day, I understand the logic behind it and accept that even in baseball there are non-baseball factors that come into play.
For example – Barry Bonds. Based purely on his production American League teams (including the Yankees) should have been lining up to offer him a contract to DH. Imagine that swing in Yankee Stadium…oh my lawd…but no one stepped up. Why? Because he was poison. The bad press that surrounded him made it impossible for any team to bring him on board.
Whatever the Yanks do with Jeter, I hope they don’t give him a contract which will induce the Yanks to continue to play him at SS after the time he should no longer be playing there.
Which will be a temptation with a large contract, because there is nowhere else to play him.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
“I know that because it will annoy you immensely.”
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Interesting that you put your petty grudges ahead of the team you supposedly root for.
Also, an interesting way to avoid the question I asked you.
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Get over yourself, Missy. You’re not important enough for me to have a grudge.
LGY November 17th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
“Owners always should have the final decision.”
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That is not how most corporations are run.
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LGY, with all due respect, that’s the silliest thing I’ve heard today when referring to the business of baseball. If you think that Brian Cashman, making $2 million/year is going to be given the INDEPENDENCE to make $200 million/year decisions ON HIS OWN, then you’re not as bright as I would think you were.
The Yankee OWNERSHIP, analyzes and determines the anticipated cash flow of their business from various sources, and determines based on their analyses and forcasts how much they CHOOSE to ALLOCATE on the teams player and personnel payroll BUDGET.
Business 101 buddy. This isn’t the corner grocery.
I don’t understand how the Red Sox have a shot at Upton while the Yankees don’t. NY has more talent in the upper levels of the minors and it’s not really close
pat,
lol about Igawa.
I really don’t care how much money the Steinbrenners make. Just how the money they are willing to invest in the team is spent and how that relates to how many games the Yankees win.
Get over yourself, Missy. You’re not important enough for me to have a grudge.
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He said… his words filled with grudginess.
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Some team may do that! The Nats, Mets, even Dodgers could go there and not miss a beat. The Yanks/RSox would be tough to do that. I expect it would take a 3-team trade with someone like KC to make that deal. Grienke with the Diamondbacks would be deal maker type scenario plus others in a 3-way.
Further, there is more to consider here than just competitive salary structures. The anticipated additional revenue – or not – from a particular player ARE ownership concerns, so therefore the owners MUST be involved.
I hope the Yankees look into signing Pavano
Patrick
OK, I can see that…I still am happy that Gardenhire won
I’m guessing that the Yankees and the Steinbrenners are investing about $350 mil a year into the entire system figuring leases, players, farm system, utilities. I’d say that’s a pretty solid investment.
“I don’t understand how the Red Sox have a shot at Upton while the Yankees don’t.”
I don’t think that’s exactly what the report said, which was that the Red Sox remain engaged and the Yanks apparently not. Which is not the same thing, perhaps the Sox are willing to pay more.
DaSaint,
That theory actually runs contra to Business 101. What you are describing is a business that is not running at maximum efficiency.
Top corporations are run by a board of direct
I never said Cashman should be making decisions alone. I said his baseball team would be making the decisions.
What YOU are describing is how a local corner grocery store is run.
ed_price: Official from another tm: For J.Upton, #Diamondbacks would need at least 1 or 2 major league-ready starting Ps and a replacement OF
Joba, Gardner, Nova…and add in some other prospects. Hopefully, not Montero.
Patrick November 17th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
They don’t! The fact that they are negotiating doesn’t mean they have a chance.
Suggesting that the Yankees (or any team) should give a GM carte blanche control is kind of like suggesting that I should walk into a car dealership – hand the salesman my Amex and tell him to pick out something he thinks I would like.
I know its not going to happen but if the yankees get Justin Upton you can say goodbye to swisher or granderson – you can’t have another 100+ strikeout guy in the outfield – the yankees would then be the arizona diamondbacks of the AL with all those strikeouts on offense…
and my guess would be swisher goes – since grandy can give you the same amount of HR’s and RBI’s and plays better defense, runs faster, is younger (by a few months) and costs less..
GB7 -
I forgot to tell you – thanks for the heads up on the Medal of Honor ceremony. I was able to tune in and see enough of it.
I bought some yarn yesterday and I’m hoping to crochet some scarves to send to troops – an idea I got from visiting web sites on Veterans Day, after you made some suggestions about ways to help out. I was able to pick up a few good ones in addition to your recommendations.
I’m still hoping to get around to your suggestions for enjoying the Charleston area one of these days. I had the whole trip planned for last summer with my family, and then we couldn’t go! We were going to drive and make stops along the way in Durham to see the minor league team there, as well as the Mets and Yankees minor league teams in the area.
I can’t tell you how helpful those suggestions were.
Simon, I’d have to agree that a 3rd team would most likely be needed. Of course, the last time ‘Zona got involved in a 3 way deal with the Yanks, they got taken to the woodshed. ‘Zona still has the splinters to prove it.
Dee -
I think what that official meant was that they want 1 or 2 good major league ready starting pitchers…
Suggesting that the Yankees (or any team) should give a GM carte blanche control is kind of like suggesting that I should walk into a car dealership – hand the salesman my Amex and tell him to pick out something he thinks I would like.
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This analogy doesn’t make sense. The car dealership is working against you, the GM is working directly for the team. A better example is giving your personal assistant your Amex.
WYH,
Yeah I guess you’re right. Still though, I don’t think the Red Sox have enough to offer for Upton regardless of how much they want him. Does any of their talent really jump out at you? Casey Kelly I guess but is he enough to be the centerpiece of an Upton deal? Not in my eyes
MP, that’s a great thought on the scarves. The guys and gals will love the personal touch. You’ll love the games at Joe Riley Park, too. Thank you from the uniforms that are away from the families for your kind thoughts this holiday.
LGY, actually, Cashman isn’t a CEO. He’s a COO. The family, Levine, and whomever else are all part of the Board of Directors. They overrule Cashman when they feel it’s in their best interests to do so.
The COO can’t determine the direction of the team, only execute at the behest of the CEO. Cashman isn’t going to propose outlandish contracts without the express approval of those above him. They will determine how/if his plan affects their growth projections.
Cashman has carte blanche, within the boundaries of a budget. Even then, the budget is flexible as we saw with Teixeira.
I’m happy with that, Cashman is a good GM.
Unfortunately, The Mick played before free agency existed and never had a contract that exceeded $150,000 but his signature is still a hot item.
The restaurant at Central Park-South is an example of how much it’s worth and there’s much more stored away in Dallas.
Jeter and Rivera have made excellent money but they too will see the day where their signatures will be bringing in good money.
Sorry, Simon, that 3 way trade thought was for Ray. I guess I should have left some of that peyote for others, huh?
“LGY, actually, Cashman isn’t a CEO. He’s a COO. The family, Levine, and whomever else are all part of the Board of Directors. They overrule Cashman when they feel it’s in their best interests to do so.
The COO can’t determine the direction of the team, only execute at the behest of the CEO. Cashman isn’t going to propose outlandish contracts without the express approval of those above him. They will determine how/if his plan affects their growth projections.”
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That’s not correct.
Lonn Trost is the COO.
Brian Cashman is the General Manager and Senior Vice President.
Dee November 17th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
ed_price: Official from another tm: For J.Upton, #Diamondbacks would need at least 1 or 2 major league-ready starting Ps and a replacement OF
Joba, Gardner, Nova…and add in some other prospects. Hopefully, not Montero.
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Nobody – NOBODY – is giving up 2 good major-league-ready starting pitchers and an OF for 1 OF. Not in this day of pitching and defense.
Patrick-
I don’t know, the Sox have a way for getting good deals. A lot of people like Casey Kelly, maybe Kevin Towers does. I hope it doesn’t work out that way.
In my ideal scenario Cashman has financial experts part of his team.
The only people that I am saying should be kept out of it are the Steinbrenners or any other owner.
Nobody – NOBODY – is giving up 2 good major-league-ready starting pitchers and an OF for 1 OF. Not in this day of pitching and defense.
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Upton is a premium talent that costs very little money. And he’s not even in his prime yet.
WYH,
I just don’t see it happening.
“Nobody – NOBODY – is giving up 2 good major-league-ready starting pitchers and an OF for 1 OF. ”
If the Yanks sign Lee and Pettitte, I’d trade Nova, Noesi (or u-pick-em) and Granderson (or Swisher) and some salary relief to AZ for Upton in a heartbeat.
No way the Sox can get Upton without including Buchholtz. They could probably go Buchholtz, Bard, and Ellsbury and get it done but then are they any better for it?
LGY. I stand corrected, and was generalizing not being exact with his title, but so be it.
Brian Cashman is the Senior VP/GM. Ownership (The Family, Trost, and Levine) will absolutely have a say in contract negotiations over certain amounts, or for those players whose impact extends beyond the diamond.
BJK November 17th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
In my opinion, it counts for something, just not as much as they spent on him.
With that logic, why not pay him $40 million a year? As long he delivers a World Series?
Every player has their worth determined by a team. Then it’s up to that team to try to get the best deal.
Over-pay when you have to (Sabathia, probably Lee).
They didn’t have to over-pay A-Rod. They chose to. If he wins them 5 more rings, they still could have gotten a better deal on them.
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BJK – Your point is well taken and makes a lot of sense. I will say, however, that part of the reason the Yankees paid as much as they did was based on what was going to be ARod’s marketing value to the Yankees as he continued to chase the all-time home run record … but of course, that went out the window the minute ARod was found to taken PED.
But overpaid or not, are people honestly concerned that somehow the Yankees will be hamstrung in the future about making deals because they overpaid Alex Rodriguez? If that is what the concern is, then I think you only need to look at the Yankees history dating back to when George Steinbrenner took over the franchise to know that as long it is run by the Steinbrenner family they will continually pay for the biggest stars. In terms of finances, George Steinbrenner won the war before a single battle was fought based on what he paid out-of-pocket. The return on his investment is now the stuff of legend. So no matter how much of a bath the Yankees take for any one player, it pales in comparison to how much they have profited from the overall value of the franchise.
But again, if this conversation is an excercise on financial restraint and responsibility (something George never seemed too concerned about anyway), then your point is quite valid.
WYH,
Unfortunately Arizona would never agree to that trade. For Upton I’m thinking more like Montero, Banuelos, Noesi, Laird or Adams.
Wave Your Hat November 17th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
“Nobody – NOBODY – is giving up 2 good major-league-ready starting pitchers and an OF for 1 OF. ”
If the Yanks sign Lee and Pettitte, I’d trade Nova, Noesi (or u-pick-em) and Granderson (or Swisher) and some salary relief to AZ for Upton in a heartbeat.
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Swisher is salary relief for Upton in terms of overall years/allocation.
Wave,
If the snakes would make that deal then id do it regardless of.what Lee and Andy does….but I don’t think that would get it done.
Montero has more value to an AL team than an NL team…just in case.
Patrick-
I was responding to the comment that said no GM would trade two ML-ready pitchers and an OF for Upton. I proposed two ML-ready pitchers and an OF.
AZ doesn’t need Montero as a C, but I’d also do Banuelos, Noesi, Laird and Granderson + salary relief for Upton.
I don’t think AZ hangs up the phone if the Yanks propose that.
“LGY. I stand corrected, and was generalizing not being exact with his title, but so be it.
Brian Cashman is the Senior VP/GM. Ownership (The Family, Trost, and Levine) will absolutely have a say in contract negotiations over certain amounts, or for those players whose impact extends beyond the diamond.”
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Of course they do.
What I’m saying is that I think the Steinbenners shouldn’t.
The snakes, I like that.
AZ doesn’t want to end up with BOTH Yankee ‘disappointments’ – Ian Kennedy AND Joba Chamberlain. Does it?
blake,
I don’t think Bard as a lot of value to Towers.
His track record has him not placing much value on relievers.
checking in for some nice rumors involving the Yankees…lets have
MP, not sure what your viewing pleasures are and where you are driving from and to, but,
I have a love of baseball and Civil War history. The entire Eastern seaboard is covered with minor league parks and Civil war sites. Antietam outside of Baltimore, Manassas, Yellow Tavern in VA, Richmond, Charleston is sensational, especially if you like food and beautiful antebellum homes. The WWII aircraft carrier USS Yorktown is docked there as a museum…just across from Ft Sumter.
Savannah is the twin city to Charleston. They have the Washington Cannons, along with Fort Pulaski on Tybee Island. River Street is amazing. Of course, somebody mentioned food. At Fort Pulaski, they have the first known photograph of a baseball game in action. It was taken in 1862 with Confederate soldiers in the foreground. The copy hangs in Cooperstown. The Charleston minor league team plays in Savannah a couple times a year a historic Paulson Stadium. Mantle and the Yanks would play there in the spring on the way north.
I can post maps and restaurants of both cities and hotels. Betsy can tell you about the places she stayed.
I’d do Joba, Granderson, Laird, and Albaladejo for Upton and Kennedy.
Jerkface November 17th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Suggesting that the Yankees (or any team) should give a GM carte blanche control is kind of like suggesting that I should walk into a car dealership – hand the salesman my Amex and tell him to pick out something he thinks I would like.
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This analogy doesn’t make sense. The car dealership is working against you, the GM is working directly for the team. A better example is giving your personal assistant your Amex.
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Fair enough – still a dumb idea.
“AZ doesn’t need Montero as a C, but I’d also do Banuelos, Noesi, Laird and Granderson + salary relief for Upton.”
I would rather do Betances/Brackman over ManBan, but Towers would most likely push hard for ManBan. Also, AZ doesn’t need Montero, but I’m sure they will ask for him anyway as a centerpiece. If the Yankees can get away with getting Upton without giving up Montero/ManBan, then I guess it could almost be a steal, but I don’t see it happening unfortunately. Plus, I would include Joba in any trade talks for Pitching.
LGY,
That’s part of my point….who else do they have to trade. Kelly is nowhere close to the big leagues. They would have to put Buchholtz in any deal for Upton…..and Gonzalez too for that matter.
Corporations develop a personality over time, a fairly recognizable way of doing business. The same can be said for MLB franchises.
The Yankees persona, it’s mise-en-scene when George was running things was crystal clear. No one really knows what the Hal regime is going to look like. It’s too soon to tell.
RS not getting Upton.
Ellsbury’s value has dropped tremendously, just don’t ask ESPN.
Kelly is overhyped.
No one wants Papelbum.
Boston would be better off dealing with San Diego.
I wish I was in business school so I could drop out after learning all I’ll ever need to know in this thread.
Take that you crusty old Dean!
I’m not saying that Cashman’s a bad GM. I’m just saying that there are aspects of running a baseball team that he does not, and should not, be responsible for.
I don’t want Cashman making unilateral calls on players who impacat the team off the field anymore than I want him writing out a lineup card.
As I said – if baseball decisions were purely based on baseball then Barry Bonds would have gotten contract offers when he left the Giants. The sport and the business of baseball are intertwined and asking a GM to make the calls by themselves is putting your GM in a position to fail.
“Fair enough – still a dumb idea.”
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Chip,
Again, I NEVER said the GM alone should have full control.
Thanks GB7.
We would be driving from north of Baltimore. We wanted to base in Hilton Head at some point for a few days, but everything else was kind of fluid. NC either on the way up or on the way down. We were thinking of a side trip to Atlanta, but realized that we didn’t have quite as much time as we’d need.
You had mentioned last time about carriage rides? Do they still do those?
“At Fort Pulaski, they have the first known photograph of a baseball game in action. It was taken in 1862 with Confederate soldiers in the foreground. ”
That’s really interesting.
I have a mental image of Union soldiers playing baseball, but it hadn’t occurred to me that it must have been popular with southern soldiers too.
“I’m not saying that Cashman’s a bad GM. I’m just saying that there are aspects of running a baseball team that he does not, and should not, be responsible for.”
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I agree, which is why I specifically mentioned his team in all my posts.
My whole point was not that Cashman, himself, should have full control but that the Steinbrenners should not be involved in these decisions.
“Also, AZ doesn’t need Montero, but I’m sure they will ask for him anyway as a centerpiece.”
It would make no sense for the Yanks to put Montero into a deal for a hitter. Perhaps for a pitcher, but not a hitter.
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the Steinbrenners should not be involved in these decisions
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They must be involved. Their input and views are critical. It’s their business.
Here’s a Upton deal I thought of while in the john:
St. Louis gets: Upton, Alex Gordon and Mark Reynolds
KC gets: Jamie Garcia, David Freese and Joe Saunders
Arizona gets: Colby Rasmus and Zach Greinke
For those that constantly harp about the player salaries? Here’s something your epitaph.
Now you can die happy. somebody helped you out.
“Money to the left of them and money to the right
Money everywhere they turn from morning to the night
Only two things count at all from mountain to the sea
Part of it’s percentage, and the rest is guarantee”
MP, Hilton Head is nice in the day time, but, not so great in the evenings. Strictly tourist bars and local trouble makers. I’d base out of Charleston, as just a suggestion. Nothng beats an open carriage ride at night through the city. Charleston nightlife, if that’s what you like is great and the food is so much better. If you get to Savannah, Paula Deens, 1790, The Olde Pink house and The Chart house are fantastic. Spanky’s for afternoon sandwiches and snacks and great seafood out on Tybee Island.
Here’s a restaurant guide. I’ll add the hotels to both Savannah and Charleston in a bit.
http://www.savannahbest.com/Dining.htm
What Impact Did Steroids Have on Alex Rodriguez’s Home Run Performance?
http://www.sabernomics.com/sab.....rformance/
“So, what were A-Rod’s steroids worth? 2.37 home runs over two seasons, or a little over one home run a season. At least, that is the estimate based on the method I laid out above; however, it’s probably best to say that there was no observed effect.”