Jeter and Yankees reportedly separated by years
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 17, 2010 
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A source has told Matthews that Derek Jeter is looking for at least a four-year deal while the Yankees want to give no more than three. They’re willing to pay top dollar, but they don’t want to sign Jeter into his 40s.
This is more or less as expected. Money is the easiest thing to discuss — it’s easy to assign Jeter’s stats to a dollar value — but the years seem to be the most difficult thing to determine. Even if Jeter bounces back from his 2010 season, it’s easy to imagine a significant slide within the next few years.
If Jeter is OK with four years, and the Yankees are OK with three, then the gap isn’t huge. To be honest, four years is kind of what I’ve been expecting.
the only way i agree to 4 years is if he takes less money per year, so that 4th year doesn’t handcuff the yankees financially.
fourth year option based on incentives?
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I don’t see any glowing accolades from WCYF for Wally Matthews.
The guy covered boxing for years and did an okay job, but nobody cares about boxing anymore, so Matthews had to do something else.
You should check out his old columns at Newsday covering the Yanks. They were as unreadable as Lupica’s columns.
The Yankees should extend these negotiations for as long as possible if Derek won’t be realistic.
Take care of Mo Lee and Pettite and wait Derek out.
Separated at birth: Mark Teixiera and Prince William.
Matthews’ sources are Loopica and Sherman. Man, there’s a triumvirate of integrity for you.
# bobshantz November 17th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Separated at birth: Mark Teixiera and Prince William.
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pretty good. I also thought that Teixiera looks a lot like a thinner version of Silvio from the Sopranos, played by Stevie Van Zandt.
MTU, I’ve started buying the 5 years of TZ and Gallery. What great stories and shocking ends those are. always that slight twist of humor at the end
I would not give him 4 years. I just wouldn’t. I know he’s Jeter, but he’s not immortal.
3 years is almost too fair. I don’t imagine any other team signing him to big dollars for 3 years out there.
If he’s going to hold the Yankees up for 4 I think he may feel the wrath of Cashman since Jorge did that to the Yankees and now in his 4th year he’s basically clogging up a roster spot and 15 million in salary.
3 years is more than fair. Derek Jeter won’t have a position in 4 years and DH will be filled by either Arod or Montero.
The Yankees should extend these negotiations for as long as possible if Derek won’t be realistic.
Take care of Mo Lee and Pettite and wait Derek out.
I’d do that as well. MO/Andy are reasonable and understand their worth.
GB-
My favorite episode which I remember to this day is the one where the aliens are taking people aboard their spaceship.
The people are happy to go because they think the the aliens want to “serve Man”. They have seen a book that says so.
After it is too late they realize that the it was mean’t as a “cookbook”
“To SERVE Man”.
Wowza.
The worst thing they can do is cave and give him 4 years.
Let him find another team to match the 3 yr deal for $15-20 is more, that is more than fair. Another team won’t. Don’t bid against yourself and end up in another A-Rod contract. At least with Jorge, there was another team willing to give him 4 (even if that one team was an idiot named Omar. Did he realize there is no DH in the NL?)
G. Love November 17th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
If he’s going to hold the Yankees up for 4 I think he may feel the wrath of Cashman since Jorge did that to the Yankees and now in his 4th year he’s basically clogging up a roster spot and 15 million in salary.
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Interesting point, but do you think the fact that Posada got a fourth year gives Jeter more of an inclination to hold out for a fourth year? And will Cashman learn from his mistake, or be more likely to repeat it since precedent is set?
I hope the Yankees and Jeter find a compromise.
yanks 27 November 17th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
The Yankees should extend these negotiations for as long as possible if Derek won’t be realistic.
Take care of Mo Lee and Pettite and wait Derek out.
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tough to do when you don’t know what Mo wants…..Andy would take 1 year if he comes back
said this from day one…Jeter won’t take much of a pay cut per year if any at all
MTU, that one i remember. william shatner was in quite a few shows and Leonard Nimoy, also. The one I rember most was with Rick Nelson. He was a pitcher and lost hit left hand, pitching hand in a car accident. The hand was crushed and the doctors grafted another hand on him. he could still pitch, but, there was one issue. The hand was from an executed convict. He was a serial strangler. Can you guess the rest?
BJK,
In Jorge’s case he had a 4 year offer from the Mets. Jeter has no comparable offer yet for Cashman to match.
Do I think Cashman learned from his mistake? Well, I can’t imagine he’s thrilled to pay a part time catcher and DH 15 million dollars next year in Posada when he could have signed a younger more potent DH for far less than that.
Nothing against Posada but he’s not my first choice from available players to be our DH next year. I also think paying someone 15 million to DH or part time catch is a waste of resources.
If Cashman suspects in year 4 Jeter will be a 20 million dollar bench player (since I don’t see him starting anywhere on the field by then) it’s a major waste of resources.
3 years with an option for the 4th year is more than fair. If Jeter thinks there’s a team out there who will pay him big dollars for the next 4 years guaranteed he should go sign with them.
This team can’t be bogged down with older players on contracts being paid for past accomplishments. It’s a recipe for disaster.
Why does anybody care what the Yanks pay Jeter or for how long? It won’t affect how the Yankees do business and it ain’t your money. Is it jealousy? Are you embarrassed to be seen because you’re a Yankee fan?
Hal and Levine both made sure to mention that “this is a business”. Levine was even more specific when he said this isin’t “10 years ago”, referencing Jeter’s $189 million dollar deal and that this isin’t a licensing/commercial deal.
I think they are ready to draw the line. The question is, is 4 yrs off the table for them, or is negotiable? I agree with G-Love – 3 would be my limit as well.
That Matthews article mentioned 3/$21 per was the Yanks offer. $63 million? Forget the years, Jeter should run through a wall to get that kind of year coming off a Marco Scutero-esque campaign at age 36. I could see why the Yankees would get agitated if he asks for more.
Some clever Lawyers need to come up with a contract that works for both sides.
That aside, I am going to say something that I know is bound to stir up a lot of controversy, and I apologize for being “old-fashioned” but here goes.
I do not want to see the Yankees turn into John Henry and the Sux by treating their legend players as “commodities”. And I know it’s a buisness.
I just don’t see The Yankees trying to enforce their new fiscal discipline with a guy like Jeter. I just don’t. It seems inappropriate to me.
Send that message with someone else.
That’s my take. My 2 cents. I respect other people’s POV. That’s mine.
# GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Why does anybody care what the Yanks pay Jeter or for how long? It won’t affect how the Yankees do business and it ain’t your money. Is it jealousy? Are you embarrassed to be seen because you’re a Yankee fan?
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not for nothing but your a dope.
GB-
I don’t remember that particular episode but I’d like to see it. So don’t tell me the ending. Maybe I will.
Serling was so effin’ clever that way. Always an usual twist. He loved
highlighting human frailties and showing Man’s folly. He was great at it.
Maybe he should have been a preacher.
If Jeter wants a 4th year, give it to him. Who cares if he’s trying to get all he can get. We don’t even know the money involved , isn’t that a major factor?
meant to say “Unusual” twist. Duh.
My point of view is that I don’t care how much a player gets paid or for how long. If they pay Jeter minimum wage for a year, they aren’t going to lower prices on anything.
Good evening all,
The Yankees are rich; Derek Jeter is rich. Frankly, I can’t believe this discussion goes on and on and on. The Yankees will sign Jeter Jeter will sign with the Yankees.
There are things that are up in the air about the 2011 team, but not this. “It sells newspapers” as the saying goes.
Lupica’s favorite words are $200 million payroll
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Why does anybody care what the Yanks pay Jeter or for how long? It won’t affect how the Yankees do business and it ain’t your money. Is it jealousy? Are you embarrassed to be seen because you’re a Yankee fan?
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Come on, GB7. Because it affects the team in several ways.
Money-wise, like it or not, this team is working under a budget. If ARod had a more team-friendly contract, if Jeter is paid what he’s worth on the field, the Yankees can spend that money elsewhere to improve the team. Also, the further they are over the threshold, the more we are financing our competitors. The Rays owe us a thank you note for winning the AL East.
Length-wise, it ties up a roster spot and roster flexibility if by the end of the contract he’s not pulling his weight.
SAS, you’ve said it best.
Sorry, but I’ll be concerned when it happens…..not before. Not only that, but, the world will end on 21 December, 2012, so the Yanks won’t have to pay off the complete contract. the Mayan calendar says so.
Nice to see that you made it to NY safely, SAS. I trust Jeter. Sign him to four, if his skills diminish, he will leave on his own accord. With dignity. What more can we ask?
GB7, so long as we all go out with the Yankees as World Champions!
GB7 and GF – why don’t you ask Chad Jennings whom I am sure you admire and respect as well all do – why he doesn’t have an issue with an article written by Wally Matthews.
I hope when the world ends on 21 Dec., 2012 that we have 28!
Walk away from the table.
Let Jeter get a 4 year deal somewhere else.
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Sorry, but I’ll be concerned when it happens…..not before. Not only that, but, the world will end on 21 December, 2012, so the Yanks won’t have to pay off the complete contract. the Mayan calendar says so.
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It’s already happening. Who would you rather have DHing next year? Posada or Thome? Or Vlad? Or someone like Dunn?
Or take $6 million from ARod (so he gets $27 million next year), $6 million from Jeter (so he gets $15 next year), and Posada’s $13 million and go get Carl Crawford and a set-up guy.
I hope when the world ends on 21 Dec., 2012 that we have 28!
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29!
Dad, that’s the only way to go out….on top
If the report is true, that Jeter wants 4 years and the Yankees are only willing to give 3, this will be a very one-sided contest – huge advantage to Jeter.
what leverage does jeter have? It’s not like anyone else will sign him to a 3/60 deal.
# West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
GB7 and GF – why don’t you ask Chad Jennings whom I am sure you admire and respect as well all do – why he doesn’t have an issue with an article written by Wally Matthews.
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Chad is not going to disparage anyone. Not his style.
Chad also doesn’t have a long history of writing idiotic columns as Matthews does.
It would be one thing if Jeter was demanding 5 or 6. But 4 is reasonable and if the Yankees play hardball and are not willing to budge and let him walk the PR consequences will be substantial. I don’t think that will happen.
There’s nothing happening. Posada can still hit as well as he always has when he’s healthy. Not catching 120 games a year will keep him healthy. If they want Lee and Crawford as well as re-signing pettitte, Jeter and Rivera, they will. What set-up man is out there that worth it and willing to set up for Rivera? NYY can fill the bullpen from within.
Why would NYY want Dunn, Guerrero or Thome? To get younger? NYYs don’t need a full time DH with Posada, Montero, Jeter and Rodriguez.
GF – you are ridiculous pontificating about journalists and questioning their reporting when you know absolutely nothing about the veracity of what they are reporting. Sherman has an excellent reputation and the fact that two reporters are basically corroborating each others reporting is significant.
“this will be a very one-sided contest ? huge advantage to Jeter.”
Huge advantage? Where? In public opinion?
I don’t care what the Yankees do or don’t pay Jeter but Hal didn’t tell you how much to spend on your car or house or jeans so don’t think you’re entitled to a vote in how he spends his money.
West Coast Yankee Fan November 17th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
GB7 and GF – why don’t you ask Chad Jennings whom I am sure you admire and respect as well all do – why he doesn’t have an issue with an article written by Wally Matthews.
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so, now you’re telling people who to ask and what they should ask? ask him yourself.
“if the Yankees play hardball and are not willing to budge and let him walk the PR consequences will be substantial. I don’t think that will happen.”
But that assumes that Jeter will get a deal of equal value to a 3/$45-60. There is no way he is getting that on the open market. If teams have $15 mil to spend, it will go towards someone like Crawford, Werth, Soriano, Dunn, De La Rosa, etc. not a 36 yr old SS.
If they do play hardball, they are banking on Jeter swallowing his pride and returning, realizing he is not in any kind of position to make demands. The Yanks will offer enough to where no other team will seriously bid for him. So then where does Jeter go? He will be forced back to the Yanks.
It really isin’t a bad strategy. A few bad weeks of PR, but it will all be forgotten once ST starts. As long as he is eventually signed, which he will be if the Yanks offer him $15 a yr.
WCYF,
I agree, the Yankees won’t let Jeter walk over a fourth year–and he knows it. I think that is why even though he has far more to lose than the Yankees, his demands are reportedly so high. Whether you want Jeter to play for one year at $5M or get a 5yr/$100M contract, if this went south and Jeter walked away from 3/$63M, I don’t see how anyone could say the Yankees low-balled him. Likewise, I don’t see any other team besting this offer…except the Yankees.
ac1: “…so that 4th year doesn’t handcuff the yankees financially.”
LOL….best laugh I’ve had all week. Thanks ac1.
I keep reading things about what Levine says, or thinks. Is anyone here a Randy Levine Fan..? All the negotiations going on by people without the money, or the experience, or the authority does nothing more than destroy the blog. Same old neurotic know it alls.
When I found this space, years ago, Pete was in charge, and it was a site of baseball erudition. Long before Pete left, decline had set in. Chad and Sam seem to have done everything possible to make the site even stronger, but these men cannot work in the dark. If you’ve nothing to say, then wait. Someone with sense will come along. Know what I mean?
For Christ’s sake. The yankees have no need for a DH or an outfielder and Soriano isn’t going to set up for anybidy when he can close for the same or more money. If the want or need De La Rosa, they’ll go after him.
there is at least one voice inside the Yankees’ hierarchy urging the front office to play its game as hard as Jeter plays his on the field.”Tell him the deal is three years at $15 million a year, take it or leave it,” goes the hard-line approach. “Wait him out and he’ll wind up taking it. Where’s he gonna go, Cincinnati?
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Whoever that person is should be given a raise.
that’s the thing, jeter doesn’t have any options. Who’s pay him more than what Scutaro makes ($5.5 mil).
he’d probably retire than leave the commercial endorsements of NYC for a $6 to play with, say, atlanta.
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
There’s nothing happening. Posada can still hit as well as he always has when he’s healthy. Not catching 120 games a year will keep him healthy. If they want Lee and Crawford as well as re-signing pettitte, Jeter and Rivera, they will. What set-up man is out there that worth it and willing to set up for Rivera? NYY can fill the bullpen from within.
Why would NYY want Dunn, Guerrero or Thome? To get younger? NYYs don’t need a full time DH with Posada, Montero, Jeter and Rodriguez.
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You’re assuming Posada can stay healthy. He turns 40 next year. He hasn’t come close to matching his 2007 average or OPS when he signed his contract. His OPS this year was .811.
Dunn’s OPS was .892. Thome’s was 1.039. Vlad hit .300 with an .841 OPS. That’s why they would want them.
They don’t need a full time DH BECAUSE they have Posada. That’s the point.
And if they did “want to” and signed Lee, Crawford, Jeter, Mo, and Pettitte, payroll surges hire and they get to finance their competitors even more. Not ideal.
hire = higher. Way tired.
With his inability to go deep in games and high walk rate de la Rosa has the makings of being a disaster in the AL East.
I wouldn’t go near him under any circumstnce.
I hope the Yankees hold the line at 3 years…………I love Jeter and think the criticism has been somewhat over the top, but his career will end eventually and the Yankees will still keep going. They have to think about what’s best for them……..I don’t want to give Jeter 4 years at this point.
Levine and Cashman are playing “Bad Cop-Good Cop”. Don’t they know that only works in movies and TV shows?
“Whoever that person is should be given a raise.”
Yeah, I am hoping it was Cashman who said that
Either way, let’s hope that thought prevails.
Can Jeter get 574 hits in 3 seasons? Not impossible but pretty difficult. He hit 570 over his last 3.
I’m sure he wants to get to that 3,500 plateau. That’s the top 5 territory. Tris Speaker, Musial and Aaron. Then you get to the summit with Cobb and Rose andd 4,000+.
4 years is really not reasonable. Jeter has every right to look out for himself, but the Yankees have that same right to lookout for themselves. Jeter is a GREAT player – one of the 3 or 4 best SS to ever play the game and he’s one of the most respected players in the game. However, time takes its toll on everyone. I think he’ll bounce back next year, but no team is signing a 37 year old SS to a 4 year deal. It happens to the best of them – Jeter won’t be the last great player to find this out.
You’re assuming Posada can stay healthy. He turns 40 next year. He hasn’t come close to matching his 2007 average or OPS when he signed his contract. His OPS this year was .811.
Dunn’s OPS was .892. Thome’s was 1.039. Vlad hit .300 with an .841 OPS. That’s why they would want them.
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They do not need a DH. They have plenty of them. They don’t want them. They’d be pinch hitters about 20 times a year.
pat November 17th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
“this will be a very one-sided contest ? huge advantage to Jeter.”
Huge advantage? Where? In public opinion? I don’t care what the Yankees do or don’t pay Jeter but Hal didn’t tell you how much to spend on your car or house or jeans so don’t think you’re entitled to a vote in how he spends his money.
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Oh come on Pat, I am giving my opinion on a blog not telling Hal what to do. I am making a personal judgment that the public will not support the Yankees if they let him walk over a fourth year. Again, I don’t think that will happen.
So I bought the Yankeeography core 4 collection and I just realized that only one of the “core 4″ is actually a Yankee right now. I’m watching the Andy Pettitte episode right now, I reallly hope that Andy comes back.
GB, I think Jeter will do the same thing….go out on top. I trust all of the “core 4″ and believe that none of them will continue playing just to get paid another year or so. Maybe I am a “Pollyanna”, but character does count…and should be rewarded.
Posada doesn’t have to hit anything but close to his career averages. He’s more than capable of that. he doesn’t need to hit .337 with 30 homers because boboy you listed is going too, either.
Wow that wen’t right over gb’s head.
Not suprising at all though.
“that’s the thing, jeter doesn’t have any options. Who’s pay him more than what Scutaro makes ($5.5 mil).
he’d probably retire than leave the commercial endorsements of NYC for a $6 to play with, say, atlant”
Which is exactly what the Yankees are banking on.
Once they make the presumed $15+ million dollar offer, it effectively ends the bidding for him, a la CC Sabathia. No team is going to approach those numbers, not even half of it.
It then puts the onus on Jeter.
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
They do not need a DH. They have plenty of them. They don’t want them. They’d be pinch hitters about 20 times a year.
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Because they have Jorge Posada on the roster for one year too long. If they didn’t, they could upgrade his roster spot with a stronger hitter for cheaper.
You’re missing or ignoring the point, so I’ll give up.
I am making a personal judgment that the public will not support the Yankees if they let him walk over a fourth year. Again, I don’t think that will happen.
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but where would he Walk too?
Jeter, Posada, Pettitte and Rivera have nothing to gain by staying past their expiration dates and they won’t. Call it pride or whatever, but, they aren’t Bernie Williams, Frank Thomas, Manny Ramirez, Steve Carlton or Tome Seaver. They’ll leave on top and on their terms.
Upgrade from what? Yo’re talking about wanting a 41 year old DH to replace him…one that can’t play any position. The Yanks would prefer to use the bats of Montero, Jeter, Rodriguez, Posada and others rather than waste a spot for what they already have. It’s you that’s missing the point.
4 years sounds better than the 6 thats been floated around. It doesn’t really matter anyway. When Jeter is done being a regular he will retire. Whether it’s in two years or four. If he becomes a back-up player he will be gone. Imagine, Jeter riding the bench as a back-up. I know he can’t. If he doesn’t perform then we as fans will let him know and he will in turn acknowledge that fact and will call it a career. A fantastic,magical HOF career. End of story. Give him what he wants. Thank you Derek Jeter!
In the end, it will be the Steinbrenner family and not Levine or Cashman that decides the value of Derek Jeter.
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Upgrade from what? Yo’re talking about wanting a 41 year old DH to replace him…one that can’t play any position. The Yanks would prefer to use the bats of Montero, Jeter, Rodriguez, Posada and others rather than waste a spot for what they already have. It’s you that’s missing the point.
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Thome was just one example. But if you’d rather have Posada in your line-up than Thome next year, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
GB7-
Exactly. As it should be. It’s not in Cashman’s job description to make that deal.
3yrs vs 4 yrs.
Let’s see who do I want my hard earned money going to…The Steinbrenners or Jeter?
Screw it give him 4 yrs/72 mil. He’ll probably being coaching 1st base or something in 2014 anyway. I just hope he signs a lot of autographs for the kids.
GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
In the end, it will be the Steinbrenner family and not Levine or Cashman that decides the value of Derek Jeter.
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Agree. I’ll go one better … I think they’ve made that call already. Maybe not etched in stone. But I think they’ve decided.
“In the end, it will be the Steinbrenner family and not Levine or Cashman that decides the value of Derek Jeter.”
That worked out great for A-Rod…
Let’s hope they learned their lesson – hold firm, don’t bid against yourself.
4 years for Jeter is insanity. 3 years is 1 year to much.
you have 5 guys keeping all of them 1 year to much and you have a train wreck.
poor derek, only get overpaid about $9 mill a year for 3 years. Jeter on the open market should get 6 mill per year and that is it, and he would get 2 years from another team….
derek do the right thing, how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is enough Derek????
I would have liked to see Thome on the Yanks.
Then if Mo returns I could say there’s actually 2 Yankees older than me. One more year in the sun. I’d like that.
Thome would have been fine until the decision was to bring up Montero to take on the 1st line catching duties to start the season. Still in all, the bats of jeter, Rodriguez and Montero can do the same job and without adding a duplicate player. Posada, with less catching duties, can do what Thome would have done…from both sides of the plate. Nothing better than a switch hitter with power.
Give Jeter 3 years at whatever with a fouth year player option. I think when Jeter is done he’ll be the first to acknowledge it. Money means nothing.
Good night people.
Good luck Hal.
Good luck Derek.
You guys are smart I’m sure you’ll figure it out.
Money never means nothing but I do think he wants the opportunity to get those 3,500 hits and he’ll probably need the 2014 season to do it.
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I just like Thome but yeah, the time to sign him was last winter. And I’m sure we’re all looking forward to seeing Montero. I do hope they can use Jorge as a backup instead of carrying an extra catcher.
One other thing about Posada vs Thome (for example). Thome is going to be 41. He can’t and hasn’t played defense for 5 years, unless you count 4 games. He has a bad back and knees, but all you hear is “who do you know what Posada will do?” well how do you know that Thome can come close to last year? If they’re signing a ZDH, just keep Thames. You’re not signing Thome for a $1.5 mil again…even if you wanted him. He says he prefers to stay in Minneapolis.
How do the Yankees deal with having to reject or pick up an option on a player like Jeter? Thats just asking for trouble in a couple years.. I don’t see them putting themselves in that position.
Jeter, Posada, Pettitte and Rivera have nothing to gain by staying past their expiration dates and they won’t. Call it pride or whatever, but, they aren’t Bernie Williams, Frank Thomas, Manny Ramirez, Steve Carlton or Tome Seaver. They’ll leave on top and on their terms.
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If this was based in reality at all in relation to Derek then he wouldn’t be looking for a minimun of 4 years.
This is purely wishful thinking with no evidence at all to back it up and therefore completely foolish for the Yankees to think that when negotiating with Derek.
I can see Cervelli returning to Scranton. The Jeters and Rodriguez, Teixeira and swisher DH days could easily be on Posada’s catching days with Montero resting or maybe taking a turn at dH. Still, I can see a 3 headed catcher, too.
Three years is ridiculously generous. As rational as Jeter usually is, I’m kind of surprised he doesn’t grasp that.
Why/ Because you say so? Jeter wouldn’t be the first to walk out in the middle of a high dollar contract. Schmidt did it. Puckett did it. he was blind in one eye, but, he could have hung on until the contract was over.
There’s always a chance the Yankees are playing hard ball on the years because they ultimately want to lower the AAV to suit the long term plan.
They’re saying 3 years and sticking to it with the idea that they’ll force him to face the end of his career approaching so soon. Once that feeling sinks in, they’ll open up and offer the 4th year but at a much lower AAV. They want him to feel a huge relief when he receives the 4th year concession so much so that he’s willing to make much less money per season.
I’ve said all along, 4 years, 56 million. That’s 14 million per season with an outside shot that he approaches the high 3,000′s in hits while under contract. Then you have him by the ballz year-by-year as he looks to become 1 of only 3? players in the history of baseball with 4,000 hits.
Ty Cobb, Pete Rose, Derek Jeter
Carrying Jorge and 2 catchers will slightly hinder their flexibility but on the other hand it’s a health risk to put him behind the plate.
But he will be a nice force at DH that’s for sure. He hit 18 dingers last season. Keep him healthy and he’ll certainly eclipse that.
“Why/ Because you say so?”
Damn straight.
“Jeter wouldn’t be the first to walk out in the middle of a high dollar contract. Schmidt did it. Puckett did it. he was blind in one eye, but, he could have hung on until the contract was over.”
Were they coming off of a 90 OPS+ season?
“Why/ Because you say so?”
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This is what I should have responded to you.
I am not the one making up theories. The point was there is no evidence in reality to your theory and all the actual evidence points otherwise.
The only evidence for Jeter walking away is wishful thinking, because he has said nothing about it.
Frankly, I am more than a little concerned about Minka’s future financial security.
4 years. Trick that.
Jeter’s already been overpaid the last 10 years. Let him find a team which will give him 3 years. There won’t be one
Jeter’s leverage = 0
Ride the bench or walk away…Jeter walks away.
One last word before calling it a night.
I never thought the Yankees would offer Jeter 421 million per year, thought it was going to be more like $15-18 max.
So, Jeter gets a great offer, and wants 4 years, rather than 3. OK, offer Jeter $64 million for 4 years, and let him save face it that’s what it takes to close the deal. Even at $16 million per, he’s getting much more than one could expect with all things considered. JMHO.
Not 421 = $21
GB7 -
Prenup!
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“Jeter’s already been overpaid the last 10 years.”
Since I’m sometimes erroneously viewed as anti-Jeter here, I want to point out that I disagree.
“Let him find a team which will give him 3 years. There won’t be one”
I think he might get 3 years somewhere, but probably at less than $30m total, maybe a lot less.
Once he can no longer play SS, he is utterly worthless to us.
A $15 million DH with a .600 OPS? a $15 million bench player?
Again, they do not have to put themselves in this predicament. They have ALL the leverage.
No team is going to touch an 8 figure salary for him. If teams have that kind of money available, it will go to productive players like Dunn or Werth. They burned all their leverage unnecessarily in the A-Rod deal, let’s hope they are a little smarter when dealing with Jeter.
Rich in NJ November 18th, 2010 at 12:01 am
“Why/ Because you say so?”
Damn straight.
“Jeter wouldn’t be the first to walk out in the middle of a high dollar contract. Schmidt did it. Puckett did it. he was blind in one eye, but, he could have hung on until the contract was over.”
Were they coming off of a 90 OPS+ season?
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Schmidt walked out in the middle of the season…In May.
“So, Jeter gets a great offer, and wants 4 years, rather than 3. OK, offer Jeter $64 million for 4 years, and let him save face it that’s what it takes to close the deal. Even at $16 million per, he’s getting much more than one could expect with all things considered. JMHO.”
But why even go to those lengths? That would be twice his market value, and 2 years too long. You are making it sound like we will be making a concession offering him 4/$64. We would be literately quadrupling his market value.
Honestly, overpaying for 3 years is better than moderately deceasing his salary and adding an extra year.
*the $16 mil is twice his market value, not $64 mil
“But confidants of Cashman said the GM is determined not to have the team get so lost in the past that it destroys the future by giving Jeter a contract that either lasts way beyond his effectiveness and/or overpays him to such a degree that hurts financial flexibility elsewhere.
That is why, the confidants say, Cashman decided to have a face-to-face, turning-the-page meeting with Jorge Posada in Manhattan to tell the longtime catcher that the plan is to go with youngsters behind the plate and that Posada is now viewed as a DH. And it is why, the confidants say, he essentially played bad cop with Posada’s pal, Jeter, at a meeting that also was attended by Hal Steinbrenner, team president Randy Levine and Jeter’s agent, Casey Close.
Cashman detailed the organization’s long-term concerns about where Jeter’s offense and defense may be going. The Yankees are willing to add some dollars beyond what they see as strictly Jeter’s on-field value to honor his status as an icon.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....qPjz6b3VTK
Smart guy that Cashman. Hopefully he doesn’t get overruled this time or have the negotiation taken out of his hands again.
Why would anyone believe what Matthews reports about anything?
I subscribe to the view that the people who know don’t talk, and the people who talk don’t know.
Schmidt walked out in the middle of the season…In May.
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We’re signing Schmidt?
Quite an outpouring of anti-Jeter sentiment here tonight.
After reading the same thing over and over and over….g’night all
“Longoria files for divorce from Parker”. Those Tampa Rays man . . . not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Now I see why some regulars are not around here for the winter.
In regards to Jeter deal..
Sure he can ask for 4 years. I don’t have a problem with that. I mean I asked my boss for a much higher raise than I was willing to accept. Thing is, he needs to be realistic and take the 3 years. If he is productive his last year, the Yanks will have no problem signing him again. Personally, I’d like to see him in a 2 year deal, but that’s not going to happen.
Other than DJ deal, if the Yankees do get Lee and stop there I am going to be prepared for another less than exciting season. Last year the Yanks were carried almost entirely by pitching. I know that pitching wins games and that’s what we want to do, but I like seeing the long ball and that’s what has always made watching the Yankees exciting to me. They don’t have a short porch in right to cater to the pitchers. All I am saying is that, we need to pick up at the very minimum another 25 – 30 homers than we did last year and frankly I don’t see it happening since we are a year older.
If they are going to raise the ticket price, which they did do, then by all means grab a big bat. Ratings were really high in the beginning of the season since they were coming of a WS win, but after the all-star break they were lower than projected. If Hal, the business man doesn’t want to see that even lower this year, than they need to get a HR bat. Maybe Nick Johnson is available? Just kidding.. but I firmly believe that we need offense just a step below our need for Lee.
“Now I see why some regulars are not around here for the winter.”
Must. Not. Question. Anything. About. Jeter.
West Coast Yankee Fan November 18th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Quite an outpouring of anti-Jeter sentiment here tonight.
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In the end Jeter will gets what he wants.
“In the end Jeter will gets what he wants.”
A ten year deal and a piece of the team? Sweet.
I’m confident Jeter will nap in the clubhouse when he knows its his time to go.
Ken Griffey Junior did it so it must be true.
Oh and by the way, if by some crazy chance Jeter doesn’t come back, you can count Andy out & possibly Mo would retire as well. So it’s not just Jeter, it 3 of the core 4 riding on DJ. Yes, I know Jeter is going to be back and it’s a matter of when.. but I am saying in the unlikely event.
Personally, I don’t think the Yankees owe Jeter anything above and beyond. It’s ridiculous. Jeter will have a monument one day and he means so much to this team, but no other team in baseball would even consider paying more just because. Jeter had a chance last year to show his worth, he didn’t do himself any favors. None whatsoever. So if he gets an offer for 3 years, he should take it and be thankful. He’s made a lot of money already off his tenure in the bronx.. they’re even going to rename St. Petersburg Fl to St. Jetersburg due to the monstrosity he is building.
If they go 4 years the 3rd and 4th year we will be all saying, jeez man.. they should’ve stuck to their guns.
Jeter’s my hero, a role model and one of my favorites of all time, but you just gotta be realistic.
Mansion in FL, Millions, Minka and a Mother in Law.
Jeter’s my hero, a role model and one of my favorites of all time, but you just gotta be realistic.
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Realistic and you just said that if Jeter doesn’t sign Andy and Mo would retire???? Why would they ?
Yeah but the said Jr. had an illness. Was it just me, or did Jeter look exhausted for most of last year? Almost like he was flu-like the entire season. You just never know, but the bags under his eyes looked awful.
Jerkface,
you have to thing in the box before you try and think outside.. I’ll root for you if you want?
West Coast Yankee Fan November 18th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Quite an outpouring of anti-Jeter sentiment here tonight.
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Because he’s looking a gift-horse in the mouth. Instead of saying, “great, the yanks are willing to pay me 4 times what Scutaro is making,” he says, “waaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I want more”.
It’s kinda hard to hear a ballplayer at the end of his career saying 3/60 isn’t enough.
When you have the history you share with your teammates, and Jeter not coming back when Andy is already leaning towards retirement.. maybe that’s all he would need to know it’s time for a new generation.. but I don’t expect you to be so intuitive to figure it out.
If Jeter and Pettitte are done, what incentive would Mo have to come back? He might just think the same that his long tenured teammate are moving on, it might influence him as well.
Or maybe, it’s something that I was told by somebody in the organization? However, you know everything, you make that clear here every night.
Go be miserable somewhere else.
The Jeter contract will be what myself and few others were posting weeks ago, 3 year extension and a club option for the 4th with a nice buyout…..3 years 60 million folks, 10 million club option…….If Derek is still productive and useful the 4 th gets picked and has his swan song season as 4 million folks hit the turnstiles…….Rivera gets the same 15 million that he’s accustomed to, the question is will the club be fine with giving him a 2 year deal ??? Answer is yes…..This talk will be a moot point by Thanksgiving or definitely by the time The Winter Meetings start….
Was that the offer 3 for $60 ? ?
P,
Where else is Jeter going to go though? Unless you think he is going to leave $60 million on the table and retire without 3000 hits.
There is not a single team that will pay what we will (even if we lowball him, it will still be twice his market value).
Jeter isin’t going anywhere because there is nowhere for him to go. He will be forced to take the extremely generous offer we give him. Again, unless he wants to retire.
I agree with offering 3/45, take it or leave it. No other team would come anywhere close. He’d be lucky to get 2/20 somewhere else. What’s he going to do, quit and leave $45mil on the table? Not. Go somewhere else and leave $25mil? Please.
And it has been said that the Yanks would be happy with 3/63. He should jump at that.
And yes, what Jeter makes *does* affect the team on the field.
I like Jeter and would like to see him stay, but business is business. The Yankees are willing to pay far more for more years than any other team would.
Lock Jeter and Rivera in a room. Put $30-$32m on the table and let them divide it up.
I was critical of Jeter’s performance this past season and also admit to having had some mixed feelings about Jeter’s contract negotiations. So, I genuinely understand those that feel he will be paid more than he deserves.
I do think that in the end, most fans will eventually understand that Derek Jeter is not just any old average run-of-the-mill aging shortstop. He is our generation’s version of Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle and a first ballot, unanimous Hall of Fame inductee-to-be.
He is not going to be paid solely for his performance on the field over the term of this next contract; he’s going to be paid a premium for being Derek Jeter. Yankee fans will never see another like him.
how the team performs is the only thing that matters. we can’t hinder output by getting sentimental and coddling a diminishing icon. bat speed not beloved memories puts runs on a score board.
Derek Jeter will come to camp healthy and all this will be I told you so to the multitude here that have had reservations and even rag and ripped him…….Wish m and Nick in SF would return to the late night forum here…..Sidewalks roll up very early lately……
I support a 72 hour No Jeter, No Money Moratorium starting today.
good morning GB and anyone else out there
I totally support the Jeter moratorium!!! There is nothing left to say that hasn’t been said, like a million times.
Besides, today is when AL Cy Young is announced, that ought to be good for some arguments…I mean discussions
Ken_Rosenthal
Latest on Upton: #RedSox on “backburner.” http://tinyurl.com/2ctsk7r #Diamondbacks #MLB
about 6 hours ago via web
KenDavidoff
Carl Crawford is a possible Plan B for the #Yankees. http://bit.ly/aEylWU
21 minutes ago via web
Good morning, morning people.
Skimming over last night’s episode of “One Contract to Sign” or was it “All My Contracts?” – whatever – I have to say that I have had the same thought as “p” – that if Jeter does walk away, it could have some bearing on what Andy Pettitte decides to do and for the reason he stated. Not as sure about Mariano, though.
As far as where would Jeter walk to? Well, he doesn’t need the money. So he could conceivably sign elsewhere for LESS. He wants to play. If it’s not for the Yankees, he will play for whoever else gives him the opportunity and they won’t have to match or even come close to the Yankees’ offer. Because once Jeter walks away, there IS no offer, nothing they have to beat or match. I’m guessing Jeter wants at least his 3,000 hits. He could sign anywhere for that one year, get his 3,000th hit as, say, a Red Sox or Pirates or an Angel, and NOT in pinstripes.
That is not an inconceivable scenario.
I think he’ll get is 4 years somehow, but not more than that.
But I really wish it would stop playing out in the media. Usually nothing good comes from that. If must be very difficult to say, “We’re not going to comment on the ongoing negotiations.”
An official from one interested club said the D-Backs want four top prospects for Upton. The Yankees, among other teams, are balking at that price.
-Rosenthal
GB,
Me.too, how.about we talk about it when he actually signs…..also will somebody tell Levine to put a sock in it…commenting on this stuff publicaly isnt helping anything.
Yankees: Towers is familiar with the New York farm system after working for the Yankees last season. The Yankees could probably build a competitive offer with some combination of catcher Jesus Montero, right-handed starter Ivan Nova, left-handed starter Manuel Banuelos and infielder Brandon Laird, who’s being blocked by both Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira.
Do the Red Sox even have 4 top prospects above A ball?
Oops!
Sorry, GB7 -
I was typing while you were posting, I guess. The moratorium suggestion wasn’t there when I started typing.
I support the moratorium. Would that give me the last word? I love having the last word!
The push to acquire Crawford might come as much from the Steinbrenner brothers as from general manager Brian Cashman , who has professed happiness with his current outfield of Brett Gardner in leftfield, Curtis Granderson in center and Nick Swisher in right.
-Ken Davidoff
Morning, Kate.
How are things in the Great Not Quite White Yet North? Getting the turkey and ham and pies and cake and mahed potatoes and dressing and salad and corn and…uhh…all of the othe good stuff ready? Have I mentioned that one of the great things to do for military vets on Yankee boards is to invite them into your home for dinner….and maybe 2 days of left overs?
Yeah, I’m about Jetered out. Never thought I’d say that. The Cy or Cry awatds today and MVPs next week. Dinner….ummmmm. and parades and the Winter Meetings. Bloated bellies and Yankee andst is on the way.
Bret The Hitman November 18th, 2010 at 7:17 am
Yankees: Towers is familiar with the New York farm system after working for the Yankees last season. The Yankees could probably build a competitive offer with some combination of catcher Jesus Montero, right-handed starter Ivan Nova, left-handed starter Manuel Banuelos and infielder Brandon Laird, who’s being blocked by both Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira.
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For my 4 top prospects I would offer Montero, Brackman, Noesi and Laird.
sorry, MP, but, you gotta fight for the last word on here…either that or stage a bloodless palace coup and wait until everyone’s asleep.
Definitely down with the moratorium. It’s going to take care of itself sooner or later.
Think it’ll be Felix Hernandez’s name we hear at 2 PM and think it’s the right call. That said, if I had an MVP vote, Sabathia’s name would be very high on my ballot. No worse than #3 and maybe higher. No understating how valuable he was to the Yankees cause in 2010.
blake November 18th, 2010 at 7:16 am
GB,
Me.too, how.about we talk about it when he actually signs…..also will somebody tell Levine to put a sock in it…commenting on this stuff publicaly isnt helping anything.
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Blake, whoever it is that’s shooting his mouth off in the FO, if that;s where it’s coming from needs more than a sock stuck in his yap. Somebody needs to split his lip with a fist. Good cop/bad cop doesn’t work and never has.
Brett–
So the Steinbrenner brothers are the ones pushing for Crawford ????
Brett,
I wouldn’t include Montero, Hughes, and I would try hard not to include Baneulos…but if they could build a deal involving anyone else then ok.
Bloated bellies and Yankee ***andst*** is on the way.
Angst. My kingdom for a dictionary or a new typing book.
GB7 -
Aw, shucks!
Morning people just aren’t around at the right time!!!
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Yeah, Mell, I want CC to win because he’s ours and he deserves it, BUT there other pitchers who also are deserving this season, and unless it’s someone from left field (ha ha) it’d be hard to argue with today’s choice whoever it is.
GB
No snow yet, so things are good. Time to put the snow tires on tho.
I am making the pies and cookies on Tues… I will send some your way
Mike Ri November 18th, 2010 at 7:31 am
Brett–
So the Steinbrenner brothers are the ones pushing for Crawford ????
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According to Ken Davidoff speculation on Newsday. It’s just speculation. I’m not shocked by it though. The Stein bros. have watched Crawford run rough shod on the Yankees for years now. They’ve had a front seat view of him.
blake November 18th, 2010 at 7:31 am
Brett,
I wouldn’t include Montero, Hughes, and I would try hard not to include Baneulos…but if they could build a deal involving anyone else then ok.
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If it means keeping Banuelos, I’d offer Montero.
Hughes is out of the question.
Brett–
Thanks for the info !!. . To tell you the truth . .I’m a little shocked. Only because they have talked about a budget. Maybe Crawford is plan B if we can’t lock up Lee
upstate kate November 18th, 2010 at 7:34 am
GB
No snow yet, so things are good. Time to put the snow tires on tho.
I am making the pies and cookies on Tues… I will send some your way
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It’s not nice to tease the starving about cookies. Uh, what kind are they? can you at least squeeze some of the aroma through the phone lines to my computer?
I love Baneulos but I would trade him before Montero at this point. He’s still a kid and while he could be very good, he’s still 2 to 3 years away from the big leagues and a lot can happen with pitchers in that amount of time. Montero is ready and plays a position they need. That said, I probably wouldn’t trade either of them. Swisher, Betances/Brackman, Nova, Laird, etc….is where my limits would be.
chocolate chip cookies (are there really any other kind?)
apple pie
pumpkin pie
1 year doesn’t equal years, they will get it done. I think Derek better than anyone has a good idea on how long he can play. It’s at this point the normal jockeying between agents and GM’s to get the best deal.
Joe gets one vote in Manager of the Year and that for third place.
Kate, you need to get busy and invent a fresh baked cookie air freshener. It would be a big seller to bachelors.
Snow tires?? It was 88 yesterday here in Fla.
upstate kate November 18th, 2010 at 7:41 am
chocolate chip cookies (are there really any other kind?)
apple pie
pumpkin pie
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Oh, man….You’re making me lick my eyebrows off just thinking about that stuff.
As good and talented as Upton might be, he’s not worth that amount and quality of young talent, especially for a non-need.
Here’s the upcoming schedule of baseball events/dates for those interested.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedul.....b_schedule
I’d like Jeter to get hit by a bus. Not like he’d be missed. He stinks now but I guess nobody told him about it. Times are bad when all you have is intangibles.
blake November 18th, 2010 at 7:41 am
I love Baneulos but I would trade him before Montero at this point. He’s still a kid and while he could be very good, he’s still 2 to 3 years away from the big leagues and a lot can happen with pitchers in that amount of time. Montero is ready and plays a position they need. That said, I probably wouldn’t trade either of them. Swisher, Betances/Brackman, Nova, Laird, etc….is where my limits would be.
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If we assume the Yankees worry about Montero’s defense at catcher (speculation that ran rampant when they offered him for Lee for 3 bonus months) then the whole equation changes.
My top 4 prospects would be Montero, Brackman, Noesi and Laird.
Without Montero, the deal probably doesn’t get done. If I’m including Montero, I’m keeping Betances and Banuelos.
Good Morning:
upstate kate November 18th, 2010 at 7:04 am
that ought to be good for some arguments…I mean discussions……………….
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One of the first posts I read this morning and it brought a smile to my face. A good way to start my day. Thanks Kate LOL !
GB,
Their outfield is pretty good. Upton would be a great get because you could pair him with Cano and you have the middle of your order for years to come. If you can get him without sacrificing your very top assets then you try I think, but if its going to take more than that then I think it becomes counter productive because as you say….the need does warrant it.
Mike Ri November 18th, 2010 at 7:36 am
Brett–
Thanks for the info !!. . To tell you the truth . .I’m a little shocked. Only because they have talked about a budget. Maybe Crawford is plan B if we can’t lock up Lee.
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Davidoff is actually speculating both – that Crawford is plan B but also that the Stein Bro.’s are pushing for Crawford.
VY
you are welcome
make the fourth year an option that vest if he reaches certain milestones (BA, Runs, etc) that will determine if he can continue to play at a successful level. If he continues to play poorly, then the option won’t vest.
Now selling that idea to Jeter…
Bret The Hitman November 18th, 2010 at 7:17 am
The Yankees could probably build a competitive offer with some combination of catcher Jesus Montero, right-handed starter Ivan Nova, left-handed starter Manuel Banuelos and infielder Brandon Laird.
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I would say that is a bit steep…………….Cashman should pass before giving that up for a strikeout machine.
Brett,
The Snakes already have a Montero anyway so its possible that they will want the package centered around pitching. I wouldn’t trade him at this point unless it’s for a front line starting pitcher…..and I wouldn’t do that if they can sign Cliff Lee.
blake November 18th, 2010 at 7:53 am
GB,
Their outfield is pretty good. Upton would be a great get because you could pair him with Cano and you have the middle of your order for years to come. If you can get him without sacrificing your very top assets then you try I think, but if its going to take more than that then I think it becomes counter productive because as you say….the need does warrant it.
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If one of the three outfielders that NYYs have now were gone for whatever reason, you’d have a need, but, noy as it stands and not at that price, if only because of questionable/perceived health issues. One thing tat i’d want to see is how well he throws. I say to wait one year. The chances of any team coming up with that much near ready talent and willing to turn it over for one player is slim.
“make the fourth year an option that vest if he reaches certain milestones (BA, Runs, etc) that will determine if he can continue to play at a successful level”
They can’t. CBA doesn’t allow for it. Option triggers and incentives can only be tied to things such as games played, plate appearances, innings pitched, etc.
Too bad… there probably is a way to get something done as far as the option year… but again, I doubt Jeter would go for it.
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Kate, to answer your important question, I would say their are no cookies but chocolate chip.
I do believe Crawford is likely a back up plan for Lee. They would have to move an outfielder for a capable starter. I suspect Gardner since his earnings are low.
I wonder why we have heard so little from Mo. He is a crucial signing. I assume the Yankees would go two years so why no evident discussion?
Morning, Mac. I don’t see that Rivera is any different in negotiations than him entering the game. He just slowly strolls in from the pen, makes a few soft tosses and just gets it done quickly and quietly. Then he ambles off to the clubhouse…job done.
3 for 21mil is double what he would make on the open market, but the Yankees need him too. I do think that they will have to give him at least a 4th year option and buyout.
How about 3 at 18.9mil with a 4th year option and 7-8mil buyout.
Jeter is going to be OK at short for 2 more years but after that???
I don’t think Jeter will hang around after he looses it…
the one thing I do respect about the Red Sox front office, is that they don’t get sentimental about making decisions.
You have to realize the % of yankee fans that post on these blogs is tiny. If the yankees low ball Jeter, and this goes on and on, the average yankee fan would flip. They don’t realize what an awful player he was last year.
Let’s be honest, Jeter was the worst yankee last year that wasn’t named Cervelli, Kearns and Burnett.