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A small move that made good sense

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 18, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Rays Yankees BaseballI’ve seen hundreds of at-bats by Juan Miranda. Literally hundreds of them. I’ve talked to scouts about his talent, I’ve talked to Miranda about his family and I’ve long believed he can be a viable hitter at the Major League level. I like Miranda as a player and as a person.

I know next to nothing about Scott Allen.

But I’m still convinced the Yankees made a good trade this afternoon.

It wasn’t a great trade and certainly not a big trade, but I think it was a good trade. Miranda no longer played a role in the Yankees system. When he signed, he seemed like a guy who might move quickly and eventually takeover for Jason Giambi at first base (I always thought Miranda’s glove was better than advertised). Then the Yankees signed Mark Teixeira and Miranda became an afterthought. Even when Nick Johnson was hurt this season, opening a spot for a left-handed hitting DH/1B, Miranda got only a small look.

Out of options next year, Miranda could not have returned to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and I don’t believe he would have cleared waivers. His only spot on the Yankees would have been more or less exclusively as a designated hitter, and the Yankees don’t seem likely to carry one of those. His bench impact would have been limited by his lack of versatility.

ph_572676So, the Yankees did the smart thing and traded him out of the league to a team that needs a first baseman. In return, they got a 19-year-old kid who’s not a huge prospect – Miranda was never going to fetch that – but who seems to have some legitimate upside.

I talked to two people about Scott Allen today. The first, a scout in the Yankees organization, said he wasn’t the guy assigned to check on Allen, but he has heard good things about him. “Young with a chance,” he said.

The second was Mark Newman, who emailed this brief scouting report: “Projectable kid with FB up to 93. He has a good feel for spin and the change. Does miss bats and we think there may be some upside.”

Most likely, Newman said, Allen will open in the High-A Tampa rotation.

Obviously Allen’s not a sure thing, but his chances of playing a significant role in New York might actually be higher than Miranda’s.

Associated Press photo of Miranda.

 
 

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165 Responses to “A small move that made good sense”

  1. Rishi November 18th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    so wearing jersey number 53 is not a good idea (Abreu, Melky and Miranda, in recent memory) :)

  2. MTU November 18th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    I bet Scott Allen is happy. :)

  3. Carl November 18th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Signing Rafael Depaula was a move that made good sense :)

  4. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    I bet Miranda is happier

  5. tyanksfan36 November 18th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Allen should be in Tampa next season so ill be able to see firsthand if he is good or not

  6. MTU November 18th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    GB-

    I bet they’re both happy. :)

  7. MTU November 18th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Carl-

    Abso-fricken-lutely. :)

  8. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    MTU,

    USAToday has published it’s Baseball Extra and is on the newstands now. Pretty good stats info with rundowns of each team and some short lines about the team minors. Not a bad winter’s read for $4.95.

  9. Carl November 18th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    http://vimeo.com/10406016

    look at the late life on that fastball.

    What C-Money is doing with the pitching in our system is amazing.

  10. CB November 18th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    I don’t anything about Allen but getting a 19 year old who even has a some tools to potentially get better as Newman detailed is about as much as you can hope to get for Miranda. Take a flier on a kid and maybe he picks up a tick and becomes a useful piece out of the pen.

    I also like the move for the D’Backs. I know yankee fans had little time for Miranda but he has a solid swing and he could turn out to be useful for a club that has so many holes like the D’Backs.

  11. pat November 18th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    “No m & Nick in SF has caused for ratings to drop here at the LoHud??”

    Nick was here yesterday afternoon sharing his wisdom like only Nick can.

  12. jackamir November 18th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    I’ll bet anyone who will read this……….. Scott Allen will never make it to Trenton. I think the trade was for Miranda, he’s been a good soldier and the Yankees are rewarding him by sending him to a club that needs a firstbaseman….

  13. Rich in NJ November 18th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    It’s sometimes said that there’s no such thing as a pitching prospect, so you can never have too many projectable mL pitchers.

  14. Dylan November 18th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    I was just looking at the Diamondbacks blog, and they had Allen as their #8 overall prospect. Arizona doesn’t have a great farm system, but he has to have at least some talent if he is ranked in their top 10.

    http://www.azsnakepit.com/2010.....om-yankees

    “Given that Scott Allen was ranked #8 on IHSB’s prospect ranking- sorry, man, you’ll have to reshuffle again- I’m a bit wary. But we’ll see how people with a better idea of our minor league system feel about it.”

  15. yankeefeminista November 18th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    tyanksfan36 November 18th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    Allen should be in Tampa next season so ill be able to see firsthand if he is good or not.
    _________________________________________________________________
    Keep me posted. High A is the one Yankee stateside farm team (besides GCL) that gets very little coverage.

  16. MTU November 18th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    GB-

    Thanks for the tip. :)

  17. yankeefeminista November 18th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    ‘Scottie Allen compiled a 5-4 record and 3.95 ERA with 29 walks and 95 strikeouts over 95.2 innings pitched over parts of two seasons in the D-backs organization. He posted a 4-4 record and 4.73 ERA (41 ER in 78.0 IP) with 22 walks and 79 strikeouts in 16 starts with Low-A South Bend this season, very impressive numbers considering that he only turned 19 that July.

    Selected by the D-backs in the 11th round of the 2009 First-Year Player Draft, Allen was approximately a fifth-round talent who fell in the draft due to signability concerns. He had a fastball and changeup coming out of the draft, but has since added a slider and changeup that are already very advanced for his age. He was the second-most-promising right-handed pitcher in the farm system to elite prospect Jarrod Parker prior to the trade.” futurebacks.com

  18. yanks 27 November 18th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    “. I think the trade was for Miranda, he’s been a good soldier and the Yankees are rewarding him by sending him to a club that needs a firstbaseman….”

    And to help out his good buddy Kevin Towers, with the eye on dealing with him in the future…

  19. ericns1 November 18th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Someone else will have to read him his “Miranda rights”

  20. yankeefeminista November 18th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Did you ask Cash about DePaula, Chad?

  21. blake November 18th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    -Kev (NYC)

    Is Montero is an A+ bat, how high do you rate Romine’s fielding ability?
    Klaw
    (1:19 PM)

    Romine can’t catch – as in, he struggles very badly to receive the ball. Plus arm, but I’m not sure how you get from where he is now to acceptable major-league receiver.

    -Seymour (NYC)

    Why do some of the prospect gurus still select Casey Kelly over Manuel Banuelos?
    Klaw
    (1:33 PM)

    Better fastball command, more athletic, still has some projection. I don’t think there’s a wrong answer between the two.

    ————————-
    So I guess Banuelos isn’t as projectable even though he performed better in AA at a younger age…..ok.

  22. Tom in N.J. November 18th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Speaking of Banuelos, here’s a nice read on the kid:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=nyy

  23. SAS November 18th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Hi all,

    Just got back from celebrating our baby son’s 37th birthday. Ridiculous that he is that old!!!

    MTU,

    Did I miss some new pictures today. Someone referred to your pics.

  24. 4 NYY November 18th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Banuelos looked like the future Santana with his fastball and GREAT change-up. Curve not bad either.

    I do wish Gerit Cole had signed with Yanks, he’s gonna be a high pick in the next draft and improved a lot.

    As far as the trade, I agree it’s probably a good move for everyone concerned and lays groundwork ( a little ) for future trades with D-Backs. ( Upton , maybe ? )

  25. West Coast Yankee Fan November 18th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    BREAKING NEWS!

    Ken Burns is God!

  26. tyanksfan36 November 18th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    yankeefeminista says:

    November 18, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    tyanksfan36 November 18th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    Allen should be in Tampa next season so ill be able to see firsthand if he is good or not.
    _________________________________________________________________
    Keep me posted. High A is the one Yankee stateside farm team (besides GCL) that gets very little coverage.

    —–

    I will, I’m going to post things on my blog for people who ask about a certain person. Ill record them pitching/fielding/hitting since no one really covers tampa. Stats and stuff. If anyone wants me to pay attention to any certain player ill be sure to stay up to date on them for everyone.
    Sorry if that was a little all over the place, for some reason I thought it would be a good idea to drink before going to the Harry Potter Premiere.

  27. West Coast Yankee Fan November 19th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Jon Heyman reports that the Yankees will be making Jeter a 3-year offer for approximately $45 million.

  28. Jerkface November 19th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Excellent, I win a ton of brownies if it comes in at that. Lets split the diff and go 3 years 17.5 mil and I still win. If its 3 years 20 mil I lose one and win the other, and then I just have my prizee send my brownies to the other guy.

  29. Betsy November 19th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Geez, is Romine THAT bad?

  30. Betsy November 19th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    That was not a bad answer from Law on Banuelos – he clearly likes ManBan (and read the comments from Callis, they’re a joke). Banuelos’ size is always going to hurt him…………..and Kelly is an athlete because he was a SS.

  31. Betsy November 19th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    I can’t take any article seriously that claims that his improvement was due to the appendectomy. The Yankees liked him a lot prior to that, so saying he graded out as merely average seems wrong.

  32. FiretheUMPIRE November 19th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Why did we select Heathcott over Kelly?

  33. Rich in NJ November 19th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    “Why did we select Heathcott over Kelly?”

    They selected Gerrit Cole over Kelly.

  34. Carl November 19th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde....._cole.html

    Cole. Holding the sign :(

  35. G. Love November 19th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Carl,

    That picture is so depressing. The kid had a shot to pitch for the team he dreamed about pitching for and let it go.

    Sure, he’s going to go high in the draft and still make the same money or better than the Yankees were willing to give him, but in all likelihood he’ll be a Pirate, Royal or some other sad sack team that he’ll end up wishing he can get dealt from.

  36. Carl November 19th, 2010 at 1:58 am

    I know G. Love :(

  37. Pat M. November 19th, 2010 at 2:07 am

    Not signing with The Yanks wasn’t Gerrit’s decision, it was his Father’s call as he was only 17…..This is of course is what had heard from not only local scouts , but from guys in the UCLA program….I saw him twice this season and he’s going to be real good major league hurler….He’s maturity is night and day from 2 years ago when he pitched for Orange Lutheran…..

  38. Jerkface November 19th, 2010 at 3:12 am

    I wish Cole the best of luck on the pirates.

  39. Nick in SF November 19th, 2010 at 5:01 am

    Gerritt Cole/Tony Sanchez Pirate battery in 2013?

    Cruel irony.

  40. MorningPerson November 19th, 2010 at 6:53 am

    Good morning, morning people.

    This is good for Juan Miranda. I hope he gets the chance he seemed to never really have here. A fresh start. Good luck to him.

  41. upstate kate November 19th, 2010 at 7:18 am

    good morning
    grrr have I complained about how much I hate the time change…its dark when I get up…walk the dog…go to work…go back home…always dark. And this am I had 3 deer run right in front of me…grrr
    oh well, its Friday, I have next week off, and my son will be home, and
    DEREK JETER will be re-signed :)

  42. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 7:23 am

    My final word on the Jeter contract. Pay more attention to what Hal Steinbrenner is saying more than some jackass in the front office or some know-nothing jerk with a typewriter.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  43. MorningPerson November 19th, 2010 at 7:24 am

    upstate kate -

    Sounds like it wasn’t the best start to the day. But it does sound like a better week coming up for you. When does your son get home?

    We have our daughter home this weekend, then we bring her back Monday, and pick her up again on Wednesday. It’s going to be a good weekend, though – a shopping trip tomorrow and then a show with her best friend on Sunday.

    You think Jetes will get it done before Thursday? I sure hope so.

  44. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Good Morning Early birds.

    SAS-

    If you’re up this early (which I doubt) the answer is yes. I did post a few pics of my adventures in the area near where they were filming the upcoming movie ” 127 Hours”.

    I tried to illustrate how Aaron Ralston (whose story it is) could get into trouble (which he did) in that area.

  45. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 7:26 am

    Kate, quit complaining about the time changes and make sure you don’t burn the cookies.

    Good morning, Lady. Hope all is well except for the clock.

  46. JCPD November 19th, 2010 at 7:27 am

    Morning MP, morning kate……………. not to worry kate, I’ve been in the dark for years now. I’ve got the week off too (changing jobs, thank God). I get to go home for a holiday for the first time in I don’t know how long.

  47. upstate kate November 19th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    MP
    my birthday is on Monday, I am hoping my present from the Yankees is Derek Jeter.
    My son comes home on Tues, luckily he found a ride home, so I can spend my day baking (making sure to send some CC cookies to GB)
    Then we will travel to MA for Thanksgiving to visit w/ my sisters and my mom.

  48. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 7:31 am

    My kind of lady. a cookie maker that thinks more of my stomach than her son getting home in time to lick the bowls and mixing beaters (always the best time of the holidays)

  49. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 7:32 am

    Kate-

    Happy birthday in advance.

    You’re turning 21 too ! congrtulations. you’ll be legal now.

    Anyone born in Nov. is a winner in my book.

    :)

    JCPD-

    Good to see u around. Enjoy your precious time with the Family.

    Say hi to my baby Sister for me. She lives in E. Brunswick.

    let me know if there is any news on where they are sending u.

  50. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 7:33 am

    Kate, you sound like you have a full holiday on your schedule. Enjoy and be safe on those crazy roads.

  51. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 7:34 am

    GB-

    There’s nothin’ wrong with the roads.

    It’s the drivers who are crazy.

    :)

  52. MorningPerson November 19th, 2010 at 7:34 am

    SAS -

    I have to run out for the day but I wanted to say something in reference to something you posted the other day. You mentioned with reference to Thanksgiving that you wished the younger generation would start taking over. I am a daughter and a daughter-in-law. It was very easy for me to take over holidays from my own mom, because as good as your relationship may be with your MIL (and mine is good), the one with your mom is just easier. I was able to say to her, “Mom, I would like to host Thanksgiving from now on.” I could never find the right words to ask my MIL if I could take over Christmas Eve as she was getting older. She seemed to still enjoy it, even though it was not as easy to do, and I didn’t want to insult her or upset her. But she also enjoyed having “ownership” of that holiday.

    It sounds like you also still enjoy many aspects of hosting the Thanksgiving holiday, even though it is a lot of work. May I humbly suggest that if you really want your daughters-in-law to start taking over the holiday, that you bring up the subject to them? They may be waiting for that. Just a suggestion. :)

    Enjoy the day everyone!

  53. Pat M. November 19th, 2010 at 7:35 am

    Good night morning LoHuder….I’m hoping to make the chage in a few days and join the eary birds here that Morning Person has recruited…….

  54. JCPD November 19th, 2010 at 7:36 am

    MTU, I’ll know by Wednesday, but at this time it looks like the Syracuse area. Oh well, I guess I won’t be missing the first 7 weeks of winter. It’s going to be a long seven weeks not having Dakota. I’ll be relatively close to E Brunswick, I’ll give sis a shout out.

  55. MorningPerson November 19th, 2010 at 7:36 am

    upstate kate -

    Safe travels and an early Happy Birthday to you!

  56. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 7:36 am

    MP-

    Go out and have yourself a great day.

    A fine person should have a fine day.

    :)

  57. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    You’re right, Kate. Too many speed bumps with a driver’s license, keys and a tank of gas.

  58. MorningPerson November 19th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Pat M -

    Isn’t it an ungodly hour where you are???

  59. MorningPerson November 19th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    And now, I really do have to go -

    Enjoy everyone. Not expecting, but hoping for, some good Yankees news. :)

  60. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 7:38 am

    JCPD-

    I’m holdin’ out hope that the Yanks get Lee and you get Carolina.

  61. JCPD November 19th, 2010 at 7:38 am

    Will be great to have you here on the morning show Pat M.

  62. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Mornin’ Pat. I put up a link that has some remarks from Hal S. Sounds like he’s trying to muzzle the front office and defuse the media BS.

  63. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 7:40 am

    Pat M.-

    If you want a civilized discussion and some good cheer you have come to the right place.

    Welcome.

    :)

  64. upstate kate November 19th, 2010 at 7:43 am

    have a good time w/ your daughter MP

    thanks for the link GB, and the good wishes

    welcome Pat M to the early bird club :)

  65. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 7:46 am

    As was mentioned a few days ago by either Blake or Pat M., any deal that involves Justin Upton will almost surely need to involve multiple teams. The straight asking price is beyond ridiculous for one team.

  66. Pat M. November 19th, 2010 at 7:46 am

    My eyes are slits right now….My Son’s doubleheader didn’t end until 1 :30 in the fog…..the won both games and eliminate both clubs…….Later to this fine and sensible morning baseball group…..Good night all

  67. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    My pleeasure, Kate.

  68. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 7:48 am

    obviously, early mornings won’t make my spelling improve all that much.

  69. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 7:56 am

    GB-

    My max. offer is Romine, Pick an OF’er, Brack or Betances, + 1 other.

    They can flip Romine for whoever they want or just keep him.

  70. sunny615 November 19th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    I am just curious here – but why is getting Cliff Lee signed taking so long? Can’t they just get a room, sit and start negotiating? Call it a day.

    Cashman: 5 years $110 million
    Cliff Lee: 7 years $165 mil
    Cashman: 5 years $115 mil
    Cliff Lee: 7 years $150 mil
    Cashman: 6 years $125 mil
    Cliff Lee: 6 years $ 145 mil
    Cashman: 6 years $125 mil and $5 mil signing bonus
    Cliff Lee: 6 years $140 mil and a $5 mil signing bonus and a pony
    Cashman: 6 years $130 mil and a $5 mil signing bonus, a pony and guy who’ll clean up the pony’s poop
    Cliff Lee: 6 years $135 mil and a $5 mil signing bonus, a puppy, guy who’ll clean up the pony’s poop and the naming rights to your next child
    Cashman: done

  71. Tar November 19th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Good morning, and good night (Pat M) . Have a great day! :D

  72. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Sunny-

    Because it is Lee’s best interest to drag it out with the market still forming.

    Hang on. It’s coming.

  73. Mell November 19th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    “I am just curious here – but why is getting Cliff Lee signed taking so long?”

    Patience. Sabathia carried into the 2nd week of December in 2008. It really hasn’t been that long at all.

  74. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Pat M,

    The morning is definitely where its at around here.

    GB,

    Multiple teams unless of course Theo decides to part with Ellsbury and Bard ;) . Hey did you ever read the Mantle book?..if so should I pick it up?

  75. sunny615 November 19th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    I know – but still – Lee knows he’s the top agent on the market. That he’ll actually be the trend setter here – so I would think he’d just set it already and we all be happy. :)

  76. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Tar,

    Harrison looking pretty goos so far huh :)

  77. upstate kate November 19th, 2010 at 8:03 am

    sunny
    I think you have it, its the pony and the puppy!
    This is Lee’s opportunity to pick where he wants to go, so I am sure he is weighing all the options. In the end, how can you not go for the money and the chance to make the playoffs every year.

  78. Pat M. November 19th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    blake, this morning group is for the chosen ones…..Good people come here, almost like the resistance during the war……….Need a couple of black & white cookies for breakfast,,,,,Later good people….ps, I waited for the night group, it was very quiet, strangely quiet….

  79. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:06 am

    It’s gonna be a great day when they hold the intro ceremony for Lee and he holds up his PS jersey for the cameras.

    I can already picture it.

    :)

  80. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    Pat M.-

    You are just gonna have to make the transition from Night Owl to another kind of bird. ;)

  81. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:10 am

    MTU,

    If the signing of Lee comes to pass….im setting the over/under for wins by the front 3 in the rotation at 55…..and I might would take the over.

  82. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Blake, it’s a great read. A must for any Yankee fan. Leavy did a great job, as she did on her book about Koufax. The book is more about the man than the historical ball player, but, plenty of that, too. If you have a Mantle worshipper in the family…the PERFECT book.

  83. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:11 am

    I know the favorites to get the Pitching coach jobs are Patterson or Aldred. Both excellent choices I might add.

    But my 1st choice would be Rick Peterson.

  84. sunny615 November 19th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    kate – that’s what I’m talking about – making the playoffs every year. Be a contender every year. Make the most money every year. A chance to win the title every year… it’s a no brainer… what other options does he need to consider? :)

  85. sunny615 November 19th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Speaking of pitching coaches – anyone know why Eiland was dismissed?

  86. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Blake-

    I was thinking that Lee should take a number in the low twenties for his jersey because he might get that many wins pitchin’ for the Yanks.

    :)

  87. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    GB7,

    Ill have to pick it up then.

  88. Betsy November 19th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    You can’t rush anyone’s decision – and Lee hasn’t allowed anyone to make an offer yet. He wants to enjoy the hell out of this process – and why not? Also, who’s to say we sign him?

  89. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:07 am
    Pat M.-

    You are just gonna have to make the transition from Night Owl to another kind of bird.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yep. That’s just what the morning shift needs…a couple more old buzzards like Pat and Randy.

  90. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Betsy-

    I do ! :)

  91. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    GB-

    You ought to pay me ! ;)

  92. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    MTU,

    If he and CC both stay healthy then they could both push for 20….so could Hughes for that matter.

  93. Vineyard Yankee November 19th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Good Morning:

    Interesting article about the Jeter saga by Bill Madden.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....tml?page=1

  94. Tom in N.J. November 19th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    MTU, Peterson’s a very good PC, but I don’t know if his methods- biomechanics, Eastern philosophy, right brain and left brain activities ect.-would connect with a guy like A.J.

  95. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Peterson, like Mike Marshall may be too scary for baseball. The radical ideas might scare them. Peterson in particular has bounced around too much, so, I’m guessing that he’s ruffling a lot of important feathers.

  96. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Blake-

    A rotation of CC, CL, AP, PH, AJ could be historic.

    Never seen a group of 3 stud lefties like that in one rotation.

    And that’s perfect for NYS too.

  97. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:15 am
    GB-

    You ought to pay me !

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    you set ‘em up, and I’ll knock ‘em down.

  98. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    GB/Tom-

    I still want him.

    Nothing can thru to AJ’s brain but high voltage.

  99. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    GB-

    Deal. :)

  100. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    edit: “get thru”. Typo king returns.

  101. pat November 19th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Ryan unofficially waved the white flag by saying they can’t compete with the Yankees on money.

    Mrs. Lee having a 40 minute commute to Arkansas to go home when the Rangers are on the road is the Rangers selling point.

    Might be the first time in the history of negotiations that being within 40 minutes of Little Rock is being sold as a positive. :wink:

  102. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Pat-

    How long would it take for the private jet ?

  103. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Blake, just a suggestion….get Leavy’s book on Koufax and read that. Koufax explainations on pitching mechanics is a must read. a very private guy, but, he opened up on this. The real surprise is his dislike for baseball growing up.

  104. Vineyard Yankee November 19th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    upstate kate
    November 19th, 2010 at 7:18 am

    Damn deer………………….two were waitng on the front porch 15 mins ago (WCT) when I went to take the dogs out. Like they were saying hey, wheres the coffee and donuts buddy ? The young pups go right up to them and check them out then want to play with em. Too bad I didn’t have a camcorder in my pocket.

  105. Betsy November 19th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Nothing Madden writes is remotely interesting……..or well-written, lol

  106. upstate kate November 19th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Pat
    :)
    the extra $$$ would make up for a lot of inconvenience in my book

  107. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    VY-

    I’ve heard Bambi lives in Ca. And the Disney character too. ;)

  108. Mike Ri November 19th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    VY– thats cool ! . . you should record that stuff ! . .

  109. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    I’m sure that shopping on 5th avenue will more than rival Neimann-Marcus and certainly better than Newberry. Mrs. Teixeira probably knows where the best $5,000 bargain dresses are.

  110. Betsy November 19th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    I don’t buy what Ryan is saying……he’s a shrewd guy; it’s probably some ploy of some sort………Either way, I have no clue how what he said has any bearing on whether Lee signs or not. The Rangers were always going to play up the home angle and the “we’ve bonded with you”. They may not outbid the Yankees, but they will make a very representative offer.

    I adore Andy, but there’s no guarantee that he as the same kind of year (if he returns) as he did last………….

  111. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Plan B if we need it.

    cc, AP and Gavin Floyd.

  112. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    GB,

    Yea I’ve been meaning to read that one too….there are a ton of books out now that I need to find time for.

    MTU,

    It really could be great. Then they can start to work in the Brackmans etc in 2012.

  113. Mark in Tampa November 19th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    “Nothing can thru to AJ’s brain but high voltage.”

    Maybe everybody has overrated AJ as a talent. You always hear ‘million dollar arm, ten cent head’, but the way I see it, his problem is more that he can’t throw the ball where he wants to. Being able to do that is part of talent, not just how hard you throw it.

    Not only that, his fastball may not be as good as reputed. I remember a stat last year where the BA against his fastball was something like .290. So, not only can he not throw his fastball where he wants, but if his curve is not being thrown for strikes, his fastball isn’t that hard to hit either.

    Also, I rarely saw the gun much above 95 on his fastball last year, when his reputation is that he can throw 98 without even trying.

  114. upstate kate November 19th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    VY
    I am happy to see them in the back yard, but when I am driving in the dark…not so much!

  115. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Blake-

    If AJ doesn’t perform next season (I hope he does) there’s gonna be some room sooner than expected. ;)

  116. pat November 19th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    MTU

    40 minute flight. 5 hour drive.

  117. Vineyard Yankee November 19th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    MTU:

    Saw your pictures yesterday, pretty cool. I really would like to drop Theo in there and see how well he performs ‘solo’. LOL ! I wouldn’t think he could ‘think; his way out of that place for sure. Remember water only and no rope or PLD.

  118. pat November 19th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    “….. there?s no guarantee that he as the same kind of year (if he returns) as he did last????.”

    What player can’t that be said about?

  119. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    “Being able to do that is part of talent, not just how hard you throw it. ”

    totally agree with this. However in AJ’s case he did lose some velocity last year which compounded the problem. He needs to locate better and give hitters another look with his change up. The 3rd pitch will help keep hitters off his fastball and allow him more leeway with location. Hopefully the new pitching coach will get him to understand that.

  120. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Blake,

    The one great historical numbers book on Mantle to read is “Explosion”. It chronicles all of Mantle’s homers including distances on the longest of them. It takes those bombs from myth to fact.

    http://www.amazon.com/Explosio.....087795853X

    Trust me. It’s worth the cost. A fun read. I got to witness the longest of all first hand on 10 september, 1960 in Detroit. 643 feet off of Paul Foytack

  121. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    VY-

    Glad you enjoyed them.

    I wouldn’t even give him water. He’s so smart he ought to be to locate some. ;)

    P.S. FYI, it’s a PLB (Personal Locator Beacon). :)

  122. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Anybody else see the side by side of Hernandez and Halladay last night on Mlbnetwork. It showed what the hitter is seeing as each of them goes through their motion and releases the ball. Its amazing how well Felix hides it, Halladay does pretty well in that regard but with Felix it just appears out of nowhere…..it must be ridiculously hard to hit that guy.

  123. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    There’s no guarantee that Pettitte will lose 2 months and a crack at winning 20 again, either.

  124. Betsy November 19th, 2010 at 8:40 am

    I was responding to MTU’s assertion that the rotation next year could be legendary…………Sure you can say what I said about any player, but at age 39/40, it’s a lot less likely for Andy. Then again, I don’t really believe in predictions and I’m a born skeptic, so………

  125. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:40 am

    GB,
    thanks for the link…I’ll check it out.

  126. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    just ask Spahn and Mussina about winning big at age 39.

  127. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Betsy-

    You ought to know that even President’s have sought me out for my predictions on baseball. :)

  128. Betsy November 19th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Sherman is such a tool. He’s decided that Hal doesn’t really love being owner of the Yankees because he’s uncomfortable (relatively speaking) speaking to the media……..

  129. Giuseppe Franco November 19th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Ryan simply confirmed the same thing many of us have known since Lee was traded to the Rangers.

    All that TV money was nothing more than a bunch of hoopla because the Rangers can’t possibly roll with the Bombers in regards to cold hard cash.

  130. Betsy November 19th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    That said, here are some tidbits (thanks, Donnie!):

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....4vqEwjsumJ

    As part of his Phoenix Desert Dogs team in the Arizona Fall League, Don Mattingly’s roster includes several Yankees prospects, notably Austin Romine, Brandon Laird and Manuel Banuelos. Romine is in the spring competition mix to replace Posada behind the plate and Mattingly said of him, “The kid is just a good player.”

    Laird, a third baseman, used the AFL to play the outfield. The Yankees like his right-handed pop, but his value to the big league team is only if he can play first, third and outfield.

    “Early on he was a little rough,” Mattingly said of Laird’s transition. “But as it has gone on, he has gotten a lot better. He has good hands. If he gets to it, he catches it. And his arm is getting better, too. Plus, he has some real pop in his bat.”

    Banuelos and Dellin Betances are the Yankees’ best pitching prospects. Banuelos, a little lefty, is just 19, but he is expected to begin next year at Double-A with Betances.

    “He’s going to be good,” Mattingly said of Banuelos. “He’s got a good arm. It is not going to take him long to get to the majors. He throws hard, sneaky hard. It just jumps out of his hand. For a 19-year-old kid, I will tell you, he really held his own out there.”

  131. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    If Pettite remains healthy next year then I see no reason he couldn’t be effective. He’s not a power guy and I honestly think he’s a better pitcher now than he ever has been. He’s graduated to the master level when it comes to knowledge and execution of his craft.

  132. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Blake, all of those books are great reading on a cold winter’s night by the fireplace. If you don’t have a fireplace, please don’t do what MTU did last year and build a fire in one of those fake fireplaces. It doesn’t go very well.

  133. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    “Blake, all of those books are great reading on a cold winter’s night by the fireplace. If you don’t have a fireplace, please don’t do what MTU did last year and build a fire in one of those fake fireplaces. It doesn’t go very well.”

    LMAO…..I must have had the brain that day.

  134. upstate kate November 19th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    thanks for the tidbits Betsy

  135. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    GB-

    “ServePro” to the rescue !

  136. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Morning, GF. That TV money may as well be non-existant for now. That money is earmarked to pay off part of the purchase debts and not payroll and not even available for a couple of years. They have a lot of arbitration cases due and it only starts with Hamilton and Cruz.

  137. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Sorry, MTU. You’ll have to sit in for Randy as my designated target.

  138. Vineyard Yankee November 19th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    MTU:

    I wish Bambi was in the house. LOL ! Too remote here for Disney characters here have to go 500 miles south for that.

  139. 108 stitches November 19th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    GB – 7

    I had always thought The Mick’s best shot was the 562 foot blast off Chuck Stobbs at old Griffith Stadium in D.C. but RF in Briggs Stadium was a launching pad.

  140. JM November 19th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    #GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:45 am
    Blake, all of those books are great reading on a cold winter?s night by the fireplace. If you don?t have a fireplace, please don?t do what MTU did last year and build a fire in one of those fake fireplaces. It doesn?t go very well.

    __________________

    This reminds me of the Christmas morning many years ago when we were all at my aunt and uncle’s house. My grandfather was so eager for Christmas to start that he got up and made a fire in the fireplace at about 6 a.m. Unfortunately he forgot to open the flue….Needless to say, Christmas almost went up in smoke. :)

    Good morning, all.

  141. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    GB-

    Some team we make.

    “You set ‘em up. I knock ‘em down.”

    I didn’t know you were referring to me. :(

    Ah. Who cares. Harrassment=friendship.

  142. Vineyard Yankee November 19th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Mike Ri
    November 19th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Problem is when I get up the dogs come first before coffee, me and anyone else who is sleeping or waht have you. Going out the door half awake is tough enough without my trying to film something. I probably would end up dropping the camera and breaking it.

  143. blake November 19th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    The Rangers could turn their attention to Greinke if they lose out on Lee. My guess is that they are still going to want to make a splash this winter to attempt to keep the ball rolling from last season. They could trade for Greinke and then throw big money at Vmart or another free agent.

  144. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    JM, lesson learned…never let kids and old folks play with matches.

    Funny story…now.

  145. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Blake-

    JMO but I don’t think Texas is good place for a guy with Greinke’s issues either.

  146. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:59 am

    GB-

    By the time you lit the match you’d forget why.

  147. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    108 stitches November 19th, 2010 at 8:52 am
    GB – 7

    I had always thought The Mick’s best shot was the 562 foot blast off Chuck Stobbs at old Griffith Stadium in D.C. but RF in Briggs Stadium was a launching pad

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The Mantle shot was actually paced off. the distance was set at 562, but, didn’t take in the 3 foot thick walls. Interestingly, though is that had that ball not hit the scoreboard first and then a tree, it might have gone farther. The ball had 3 marks on it, from the bat, the scoreboard and the tree.

    The one in Detroit went out about 100 feet to the left of the transformer that Reggie Jackson hit in the all-star game…into a crosswind.

  148. blake November 19th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    MTU,

    why, is he afraid of antlers and claws? The big pressure in that city is on the guys with stars on their helmets.

  149. Vineyard Yankee November 19th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    upstate kate
    November 19th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    I hear ya, last time that happened all I heard was ‘Bob dear’ about six times in a row little did I know that the meaning was Bob, deer ! as I was about to hit it on the side of the road. It was just standing there as I veered towards it. Thank goodness I missed it at 4 AM.

  150. GreenBeret7 November 19th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    MTU November 19th, 2010 at 8:59 am
    GB-

    By the time you lit the match you’d forget why.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    what match?

  151. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Blake-

    I think Texas will be a 1 year wonder a lot like TB.

  152. have a cigar November 19th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Reality check, Derek: leading the league in slow rollers to shortstop does not lead to $100M contracts.

    How much money do you need??? The Yankees have already paid you in excess of $205M:

    http://www.baseball-reference......de01.shtml

    Meanwhile, the rest of us slugs struggle day-to-day. This is the one time I’m not rooting for you, buddy.

  153. randy l. November 19th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    “Sorry, MTU. You’ll have to sit in for Randy as my designated target.”

    mtu-

    just camouflage yourself as a golf flag. gb7 never hits anything he’s aiming at.

  154. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    GB-

    I miss Maine and Randy.

    Don’t understand why they don’t seem to come around anymore.

    Do you think it’s possible that they actually have lives ?

  155. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Randy-

    Thanks for coming to my aid.

    Don’t worry though there is at least one thing GB is scared to death of. ;)

  156. blake November 19th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    MTU,

    That’s possible but they do have a lot of talent in that organization…just depends on whether they pay to keep it or not.

  157. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Blake-

    So does Tampa. At least pitchingwise.

  158. blake November 19th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    MTU,

    But Tampa won’t pay to keep them so they have to compete in short bursts every few years. If the new ownership in Texas is willing to take their payroll up a notch as has been reported then they can sustain it. However, I do think the Angels won’t their division back and will take steps needed this winter. If Texas loses Lee and the Angels sign say Crawford, Beltre, and Soriano…..plus the addition of a full season of Haren and a healthy Morales then suddenly they are likely back on top in that division.

  159. blake November 19th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Angels want their division back.

  160. MTU November 19th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Blake-

    Let them knock the stuffing out of each other.

    I don’t like either team.

  161. blake November 19th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    MTU,

    me neither….

  162. Tom in N.J. November 19th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    :arrow:

  163. randy l. November 19th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    “Don’t worry though there is at least one thing GB is scared to death of. ”

    don’t forget nurse karloff .

  164. Vineyard Yankee November 19th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    MTU
    November 19th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    VY-

    Glad you enjoyed them.

    I wouldn’t even give him water. He’s so smart he ought to be to locate some.

    P.S. FYI, it’s a PLB (Personal Locator Beacon).

    ==============

    Thanks, my bad thought it was ‘Personal Locator Device’.

  165. john_halfz November 19th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    The Mantle 643 ft HR story is apocryphal. Robert Adair demonstrates in his book, “The Physics of Baseball” how it is physically impossible for a batted ball to travel that far.

    It doesn’t diminish at all from Mantle’s strength and ability, but tape measure science back then wasn’t too precise. In the case of the Briggs Stadium HR, a PR guy for NYY asked a 10 year old kid who caught the ball where he’d caught it and then “paced it out.”


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