Easy way to get to the game
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 19, 2010 
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Just wanted to pass this along in case anyone is going to the football game at Yankee Stadium tomorrow.
Metro-North will provide special train service to the Army vs. Notre Dame football game on Saturday. The game starts at 7 p.m. at Yankee Stadium.
“Train to the game” service will run via the Hudson, Harlem, and New Haven Lines. For those of you in Manhattan, there will be shuttle service via Grand Central Terminal and Harlem-125th Street Station.
Get more information here at the Metro-North website.
first.
place looks great.
the taqles of jeter growing as the minutes go buy.
he is the sabior, just ask the hacks..
wow i cannot type..
tales, by, and savior.. sorry anyway jeter is a 4 year(generous) and $15 mill(9 mill more then he deserves) and call it a day..
OK…I guess.
Banuelos, Brackman (substitute Noesi or Nova if AZ prefers), Phelps, Laird and either Gardner, or Granderson + salary relief, for Upton.
I’m loving this game. Tough to go against Army, given my former occupation, but, I grew up just about 10 miles from Notre Dame.
Wave,
I think at this point we need to accept that getting Upton ain’t happening.
Every permutation has the Yankees giving up far too much for him simply because they don’t have enough of what Arizona wants – young, established, major league talent.
The Yankees have it – in Hughes and Cano – but are in no way willing to part with it. Also, trades aren’t easy when both GMs are familiar with the farm system…look at how much trouble Theo’s been having trying to get Adrian Gonzalez from his former assistant Jed Hoyer – Hoyer knows who the real gems in the Boston system are and he wants them and Theo doesn’t want to part with them.
GB -
I have no use for the Irish so Go Army!
Football game at Wrigley this weekend too.
Fun idea but 4 strides into the right corner of one end zone is the ivy covered wall. OUCH!
“I think at this point we need to accept that getting Upton ain’t happening. ”
Chip, I never thought it was going to happen in the first place, but I don’t think we need to accept anything one way or the other.
“The Yankees have it – in Hughes and Cano – but are in no way willing to part with it.”
Have you spoken with Cashman personally? I thought only SJ44 did that.
But you made me think. Banuelos, Brackman AND either Noesi or Nova, Phelps, Laird and either Gardner or Granderson + partial salary relief, for Upton. I think that could get it done.
Getting it done seems largely irrelevant if you are giving up more than you are getting in return.
It doesn’t fill a need for the Yankees. it’s pointless.
EricFisherSBJ ? on McLane, #Astros is level of intent. If loosely fishing for specific, high number (700M+) not much is new. And he’s changed mind before.
“Getting it done seems largely irrelevant if you are giving up more than you are getting in return.”
The whole point is that the Yanks can overpay. Most of the minor leaguers I mentioned aren’t going to end up on the Yanks, some of them will turn out to be busts, Upton is the real thing.
Wave Your Hat November 19th, 2010 at 11:52 am
“I think at this point we need to accept that getting Upton ain’t happening. ”
Chip, I never thought it was going to happen in the first place, but I don’t think we need to accept anything one way or the other.
“The Yankees have it – in Hughes and Cano – but are in no way willing to part with it.”
Have you spoken with Cashman personally? I thought only SJ44 did that.
But you made me think. Banuelos, Brackman AND either Noesi or Nova, Phelps, Laird and either Gardner or Granderson + partial salary relief, for Upton. I think that could get it done
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No need to be snarky my friend.
Look – if the Yankees could replace him in a subsiquent deal I wouldn’t be 100% against dealing Phil Hughes as part of an Upton deal.
Who knows, maybe they do: Hughes and Swisher for Upton; send Gardner and prospects to Cleveland for Carmona. Sign Crawford and Lee and roll with a rotation of
CC, Lee, Carmona, Andy, AJ – though at that point they would almost have to sign Victor Martinez just because if you’re going to collect some Indians you might as well collect them all
and an OF of Crawford, Granderson, Upton – all young, dynamic players who are either superstars or on the cusp.
“The Diamondbacks were approached by 15-16 teams at the GM Meetings about OF Justin Upton and, according to a person briefed on the subject, five showed a strong inclination to push talks further along. The Yankees were not one of those teams…”
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z15kSzGwsb
pat, it could be his age, too I suppose. It doesn’t appear that his sons have anything to do with the team. I wonder if Tal Smith will get involved in a new ownership?
Upton might be the real deal 4 years from now, but he does not replace 4 players today.
Chip-
Well you know I’d trade Hughes in an Upton deal, but good old MTU would tell me I’m too repetitive if I said so, so I thought I’d suggest something different.
Tom, I’m going to read between the lines on that last sentence. Cashman is quietly knee deep in Arizona cactus.
“Upton might be the real deal 4 years from now, but he does not replace 4 players today.”
He certainly replaces either Gardner or Granderson, and the others I mentioned aren’t here to be replaced.
No way would I trade a front line starter for an outfielder that I don’t need in the immediate future.
Chip-
Sounds good, but expensive. Of course the Yanks could finance it by letting Jeter go and signing Juan Uribe.
Theo: Hey Kev, I’m thinking Ells and Bard to get this thing started for Upton.
Kevin: Theo, dude you sure you got the right Upton??? Hold on, hold on, I’ll transfer you to Friedman *click*
Pointless and a player like Justin Upton should never be referenced together.
Does he though? His strikeouts have steadily increased each year in the league, which means more and more pitchers have figured out how to get him out. He had a great season in 09, showd the flashes of brilliance to come… but he struck out at a 30% clip last season, which means pitchers adjusted and he did not. Gardner was better than Upton last year. Gardner was better than Upton’s ’09 season last year. Granderson outperformed Upton last year too.
The point is not that we CAN overpay. It’s that we are not gaining anything by doing so. Everything Upton brings to the table we have already, and he will be on the trading block for the next 4 seasons. The price will never be higher than it is right now to acquire Upton.
That is called the absolute wrong time to buy.
Banuelos, Brackman (substitute Noesi or Nova if AZ prefers), Phelps, Laird and either Gardner, or Granderson + salary relief, for Upton.
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Really? 6 players for Upton. You people are friggin nuts.
Upton is supremely talented but far from a proven star. In 3 full seasons and part of another he’s hit 20+ HR once, 20 SB once, .300 AVG once, 120+ K 3X, 10+ Errors 2X.
He also has an iffy left shoulder and missed more than 50 games the past two years.
Anyone advocating trading an 18-game winning starting pitcher who won’t turn 25 until June needs to go ahead and schedule the lobotomy. Young, affordable quality starting pitching is the most valuable commodity in the game.
I wouldn’t do Hughes for Upton straight up.
ac1 – and when he strikes out 170+ times next season the same people will be trying to make up trades to run him out of town.
ID-
The time is right to get Upton because like you, the D-Backs may for all their big talk actually be undervaluing him because of the bump he hit in 2010.
That said, in all likelihood the Yanks won’t get him, although they should.
Am i missing something here?
http://www.baseball-reference......ju01.shtml
This is the player you all think we should give 4-6 players for?
never played more than 133 games in 1 season, last seasojn hit .273, struck out 152 times?
I’ll take our chances with what we have now.
Wave -
I don’t mind trading any player if you can give me an available player who could replace him.
Phil is a good young starter who could be something special – but if you want to get a player like that (which is what Upton is) you’re going to have to part with something similar. The question is, can you not only get Upton, but replace what you’re giving up in Hughes and thus come out ahead.
Everybody on the D-Backs k’s at an astronomical rate.
People forget that it wasn’t just last year, but the last 2 years that upton got hurt in August and missed significant time.
There is zero chance Upton is being undervalued, but he would have to be a 7-8 WAR player for *years* to be as valuable as you seem to think he is.
That is absurd.
Irreverent Discourse November 19th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
ac1 – and when he strikes out 170+ times next season the same people will be trying to make up trades to run him out of town.
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Just looked at his stats. I wouldnt give 3 players for him, much less 5. hasnt hit above 300, strikes out WAY TOO MUCH, and hasnt played more than 133 games in a season.
Let Boston trade Ellsbury, Bard, etc for him.
If a package around Ellsbury and Bard gets it done for Upton then i’ll turn in my pretend GM card.
Phil is a good young starter who could be something special – but if you want to get a player like that (which is what Upton is)
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Show me what exactly makes Justin Upton so special please.
Phil is a good young starter who could be something special – but if you want to get a player like that (which is what Upton is)
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Show me what exactly makes Justin Upton so special please.
i agree with ac-1 i hoping the sox make the trade . . let them empty the system …
There bullpen was HORRIBLE last year . . and getting rid of Bard won’t help
“Am i missing something here?”
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ac1,
You are not trading for Upton based on his career statistics. He is 23 years old. His statistics don’t mean a whole lot as most 23 years old are still in the minors let alone producing at the level he has with the big boys.
You are trading for a player you expect him to be in the coming years, not who he is now. You are trading for one of the single most talented young players in baseball.
ID-
Actually, I believe you are overvaluing the Yank minor leaguers, and overestimating the major league opportunities once the Yanks sign Lee and Pettitte, but hey, that’s what makes the world go around
Maybe the Yanks could trade Scott Aldred and Kevin Long to ‘Zona for Upton to help fix things on the team.
You are trading for a player you expect him to be in the coming years, not who he is now. You are trading for one of the single most talented young players in baseball.
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And what exactly shows that he will be one of the best players in 3 -4 years? If you want to give up anywhere close to that much, i would go to Cleveland and ask for Sin Shoo Choo instead.
Don’t go off on Hughes – that was yesterday’s proposal.
Today’s proposal is to trade the farm system for Upton.
“Show me what exactly makes Justin Upton so special please.”
Mike Axisa attempts to do just that:
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ost-38568/
Chip/Wave —-
Why are you guys so high on Upton? Super talented I agree, but he’s also fragile and by many reports not all that coachable. He has 12 assists and 32 errors in the OF.
I wouldn’t trade Hughes for him and I doubt I would trade Bard for him. If the Sawx offered by Ellsbury, Bard and a bowl of fruit loops I’d take it.
i still dont get how you can say we are overvaluing our minor league talent, while somehow suggestion Upton will be a superstar. Didn’t people say BJ Upton would be a superstar too? How’d that work out?
“i would go to Cleveland and ask for Sin Shoo Choo instead.”
I proposed that last year at this time – try to do a deal around Joba Chamberlain and Choo.
All the LoHudders told me how stupid I was for wanting to trade Chamberlain who was going to be a superstar.
“Gardner was better than Upton’s ‘09 season last year.”
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Upton had an .898 OPS with great defense in 2009.
WAR is not the be all end all of player evaluations and I highly doubt there is a team in baseball who would take Gardner’s ’10 campaign over Upton’s ’09 campaign.
“Actually, I believe you are overvaluing the Yank minor leaguers, and overestimating the major league opportunities once the Yanks sign Lee and Pettitte, but hey, that’s what makes the world go around”
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Right. You are not replacing players on the Yankees when they are still in Trenton and Scranton.
When Baseball America ranked him the second best prospect in the game in 2007, they said he “does everything exceptionally well and already has the body and composure of a big leaguer,”
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I guess except be a good fielder, stay healthy, and not strike out 152 times in 133 games.
would go to Cleveland and ask for Sin Shoo Choo instead.”
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All i meant is i would rather trade too much for Choo instead of Upton.
I am of the belief you never trade 4 players for someone who MAY be great one day in a few years.
Upton is one of the best defensive RF in baseball. He is good enough in the corner that it is possible he could player center, but that is questionable.
I would trade Hughes for Upton straight up in a heartbeat and I really, really like Hughes.
“Maybe the Yanks could trade Scott Aldred and Kevin Long to ‘Zona for Upton to help fix things on the team.”
Interesting idea. If Kevin Long just made every hitter 10% better, that would be something like 20 HRs and 82 RBIs. That wouldn’t get it done.
But maybe Kevin Towers believes Kevin Long makes every hitter 20% better. Then, I think he might be tempted.
I would trade Hughes for Upton straight up in a heartbeat and I really, really like Hughes.
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really?
And how would you like us to fill out our rotation exactly?
Outfielders are a dime a dozen, and this one still has yet to prove anything.
I wouldn’t trade Hughes for Upton but I would trade Brackman or Betances in a package for him…..not both but one of them.
Gardner, Betances, Laird, Nova, etc is where my limits would lie. Probably take more than that though.
Yanks would be foolish to trade Hughes .!. . Theres NO need for Upton !
Agree Mike Ri, there is NO need for Upton. We have outfielders and more on the way up. Pitching is where we need help, and giving up Hughes (or the possibility of Betances or Noesi), would be foolish and i believe that Cashman knows better.
I would trade for Choo.
i would trade for choo also, but not 4-5 players.
two prospects (1 pitcher, 1 fielder) and Gardner for Choo.
Again i say, if these dont get it done, then there is no need to do it.
In the near future, NYY only has two real outfielders on the way that could be starters, not counting Laird. By near, I mean two years, max. The kids in Tampa and below for 2011 are 3-4 years away. Still, outfield help isn’t an immediate need…Starting pitching that people are wanting to unload, starting with Hughes, Betances and even Banuelos are a more immediate need.
Upton doesn’t pitch. You are creating multiple holes (and a pitching hole which is INFINITELY more difficult to fill) to fill a hole that already has 2 guys standing in it.
There is no reason to do that, it doesn’t improve the team overall. The discount on Upton’s salary for the next 4 years helps the Yankees the LEAST of any team in baseball.
ac1 -
Just out of curiosity – what outfielders do the Yankees have “on the way up”
I would argue that the Yankees have a greater ability to produce another pitcher of Hughes’s quality than an outfielder of Upton’s within the next 3 years.
Chip – “producing” a pitcher doesn’t help them. They need Hughes to pitch NOW. Not 3-4 years from now when they develop someone to replace him.
lets not overlook the fact that Upton hits for ZERO power against lefties.
We already have this guy, his name is Granderson… and we don’t have to give up 8 guys to put him in the outfield next year.
One thing to consider is that if the Yankees sign Lee to a long term deal then there will only be one spot open in the rotation until 2014 unless they can deal AJ. There just wont be room for all the pitchers in the minor leagues so at some point it could helpful to deal some of the excess to improve other areas.
Who would they replace Hughes with next season?
Daniel Brewer and Melky Mesa are the two immediate outfielders along with Laird. Further down would be Heathcott and probably Lyerly and JR Murphy, who’s now catching. Really good bats, strong arms and pretty decent speed. Lyerly is playing 3rd and first, but, not that well.
blake – its certainly something to consider… but it’s not a desperate “oh my god… pitchers must go!” situation. Overpaying for a guy that will not get traded anywhere for the price this year… and be on the block for the next 3 years is silly.
Is Arizona’s home park a known hitters park?
Upton’s home/road splits are not pretty.
Upton has a career higher slugging % and OPS vs. LHPs. I would love to have Upton. Hughes cannot be traded for him,IMO. Any others under discussion should be on the table.
Tom – they are pretty high up, thin air.
Burnett really only has until 2012 in the rotation before being moved into the pen or moved in a trade. That gives the Yanks two spots in 2 years and a couple moved in trades and to the pen. That doesn’t count the inevitable long term injuries that will crop up.
“lets not overlook the fact that Upton hits for ZERO power against lefties.”
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Upton had a .762 (!!!) SLG vs LHP in 2009 in 129 ABs.
Burnett really only has until ***the end of*** 2012
GB7,
That’s true and hopefully is something they will consider if he doesn’t improve.
austinmac – That’s only because he hit an absurd .377/.445/.762 against lefties in ’09. His SLG was .378 against lefties last season.
If you are going to make that statement based on 120AB’s, be my guest.
Justin Upton’s SLG vs LHP in 2009 was identical to Gardner’s 2010 OPS.
Just let that sink in for a minute…
“If you are going to make that statement based on 120AB’s, be my guest.”
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You just said he had ZERO power vs LHP based on what then???
LGY – so you think he’s going to bat .377 against lefties his whole career? His BABIP was .395 that season against lefties, which is unsustainable (just ask austin jackson how that works out). What did he do in 2010 to follow that up? His BABIP only dropped .040 points, but his OPS against lefties dropped over .400
Hmmm, I wonder which is closer to his likely performance.
Irreverent Discourse November 19th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Chip – “producing” a pitcher doesn’t help them. They need Hughes to pitch NOW. Not 3-4 years from now when they develop someone to replace him.
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Playing Devil’s Advocate – what if the Yankees could replace Hughes with either a FA or additional trade?
Even if they only sign Cliff Lee, a rotation of: CC, Lee, Andy, AJ, Nova is still better than what most teams would have.
not to mention people still glossing over his 30% strikeout rate.
30%
On April 14th you will be telling us he’s awful and needs to be traded away.
Chip – now you need to make another trade, losing more players to fill the pitching hole you created.
or you could just keep the guys you have, and have no holes.
“Hmmm, I wonder which is closer to his likely performance.”
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It is completely silly to even be talking about Upton’s statistics in the manner you are. That is the main point I made above about you are not trading for the guy’s baseball card but who he is going to be.
There is no “likely performance” for a 23 year old with Upton’s talent.
Considering he is a young RH power bat who hits the ball to all fields, it is pretty safe to assume he will hit LHP.
Left handed relievers that Yanks may have interest in. Downs may be good, but not a #1 or 32 pick.
Yankees Interested In J.C. Romero
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 19 at 11:50am CST]
The Yankees are interested in left-hander J.C. Romero, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The longtime Phillie has also drawn interest from the Tigers, though they don’t necessarily need to add a left-handed reliever.
Romero, 34, kept his ERA under 4.00 for a fourth consecutive season in 2010, pitching to a 3.68 mark in 36 2/3 innings. He gets lots of groundballs and is effective against left-handed hitters, but his free agent value will likely be limited. Romero struggles against right-handed hitters, he walked more batters (29) than he struck out (28) in 2010 and he dealt with elbow and back soreness.
The Yankees are also interested in Pedro Feliciano and, potentially, Scott Downs. Teams will not have to surrender 2011 draft choices to sign Feliciano or Romero, but Downs may cost a pick
***#2 pick***