Could Vazquez be the first to go?
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 22, 2010 
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Of all the Yankees free agents, could Javier Vazquez be the first to sign elsewhere?
The Yankees don’t seem to be pursuing him, but Vazquez has built a legitimate market for himself. The Washington Nationals and Florida Marlins are both said to be interested, apparently hoping 2010 was nothing but a bump in the road.
They’re hoping to sign Vazquez on the cheap, then reap the benefits of a rebound.
The interest also seems to be a acknowledgment of the pitching emphasis in baseball. There’s never enough, which means teams are always looking for it, and they’re willing to look anywhere.
Injury risks. Age issues. Pitchers coming off awful seasons. No option is off the table.
It’s yet another reason Cliff Lee’s value is so high.
mediocore teams want a mediocore pitcher who with no pressure can give innings and avg. results.
javy is a 2 time yankee failure, crumbled twice….he is a softie..
Will Vazquez take an arbitration offer? Would NYY sign him and trade him for another usuable contract? Is it worth the gamble to NYYs?
Chad:
You think the Yankees would be secure enough in the notion that Vazquez is interested in moving on, to risk offering him arbitration?
GreenBeret7 November 22nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm
A cheap curiosity pickup might be Brandon McCarthy, just to see what he’s got. Offer him a 1 year minor league deal with a ST invite and incentives based on a ML call-up.
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I would do that in a second – make him a relief pitcher and see if he could be this year’s Joakin Benoit.
good riddance
I would absolutely give Javy an arbitration offer.
On the one hand, he’s getting multiyear offers so he’s more likely to move on than to settle for a 1 year deal. Especially since at his age, and given how poorly he performed here last year, taking the arbitration offer does nothing to help his value for next season.
Second, as a Type B free agent a team wouldn’t have to consider giving up a pick for Javy, it would just mean that the Yankees would get a pick for Javy.
Frankly the best thing that could happen is for Javy to sign soon and then the Yankees can offer arbitration and collect the pick.
Vazquez isn’t a Type A free agent – I can’t see the Yanks offering him arbitration.
I don’t know where the idea that Romine is a good defensive catcher came from. He’s not. He has a good arm, but he’s a bad receiver.
Vazquez can always be traded or cut in ST with a minimal investment.
I do not think Javy would accept arb here. I think he wants out of pinstripes for good.
The Yankees should offer arb to him though. If he signs with a team like the Nats whose first round pick is protected, then the Yankees would get the supplemental picks for him which are valuable.
No team is going to give up their 1st round pick for signing Javy, but a team ranked 1-15 (worst record 1st) could sign him without having to surrender the pick.
If Javy accepts arb, the Yankees could then trade him or release him.
I think it’s worth the gamble to get the picks since we’re going to lose our pick this year signing Lee probably.
I think it might be worth the risk….can’t see him wanting any part of the AL east again especially if he’s getting offers.
thanks gb. my guess is that the red sox might not have enough to trade for him, unless some team wants a lot of ‘talent’ from single a.
they will have to give up a lot in the absence of signing lot of expensive free agents.
Javy’s taking his special brand of mediocrity to South Beach?
I don’t think they’ll offer him arbitration. I’m planning an arbitration post for later, but in Javy’s case, the risk seems way too high.
I’m sure he would prefer a multi-year contract, but he could also very easily convince himself that one year making a lot of money would be a good chance to reassert himself and set his value even higher. I have no doubt that he’d rather pitch for another team, but no other team is going to offer him what he could make in arbitration.
To me, arbitration with Vazquez is too risky. The Yankees shouldn’t offer it unless they’re OK with him accepting. Best to just cut ties and move on.
What about Berkman?
He’s a type ‘B’ FA and has made it clear he has no intention on coming back to the Yanks.
Romine has many of the same defensive issues that a lot of young catchers have..things that can be fixed with the help of a good catching instructor that he hasn’t really had in his career. Wynegar has worked miracles with Montero and can help Romine. And, yest, Montero still needs some work, but, he has some of the best instructors available to him starting in ST.
“Vazquez isn’t a Type A free agent – I can’t see the Yanks offering him arbitration.”
Not being a Type A gives Vazquez more appeal on the market, as he won’t cost an interested team a draft pick. Only real risk is that he accepts, but I think that’s unlikely and if he did the Yankees could mitigate the costs by letting him go in ST.
How long before we trade for Javy … yet again !?!
Tom, wasn’t part of Berkman’s aggrement to accept the trade deal was with the stipulation that the Yanks wouldn’t offer him arbitration?
Definitely agree with Chad.
I might get ridiculed for saying this but I would love for the Yankees and Cashman to admit the mistake and sign Matsui to be the part time DH/bench player…..he hits lefties well and still had a good year last year for the Angels and would be better in Yankee Stadium of course..we missed him last year, especially in the playoffs where he was as clutch as they come and hard to pitch to for any team….
Wave Your Hat November 22nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Vazquez isn’t a Type A free agent – I can’t see the Yanks offering him arbitration.
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He’s a Type B Free Agent – still get a pick for him
No to Berkman getting arbitration – He’s not likely to get multiyear offers nor is he likely to get more money than he made last season so he would accept arbitration
Thanks for the response, Chad. Just throwing it out there because I’m sort of bored, but was curious to some of the answes back.
“Tom, wasn’t part of Berkman’s aggrement to accept the trade deal was with the stipulation that the Yanks wouldn’t offer him arbitration?”
I think the stipulation was that the Yankees had to agree not to pick up his 2011 option.
For better or for worse, the Yanks seem to have totally abandoned the use of strategic arbitration. If they felt differently, they could offer arbitration to Andy, just in case he signs with the Astros, as a way to keep pitching and still be with his family. Offering arbitration to Jeter would be a plus IMHO. I’d rather commit $20 million for 1 year than $45 m for 3 years. I think Jeter will bounce back and be an adequate SS for the next 3 years. However, at his age, it’s also possible that he’ll be worse in 2011 than he was in 2010 and go downhill from there.
These strategic moves seem to be of no interest to the Yanks. I expect them not to offer arbitration to anyone.
Keith -
No ridicule but Matsui just doesn’t fit.
The Yankees don’t need a backup DH who can’t play anywhere in the field.
I guess Romine has potential to be a really good defensive catcher due to his body type, athleticism and arm strength. But I don’t think it’s a given by any means.
I don’t know GB. I remember something about the option not being picked up. I don’t know if arbitration was part of the deal.
Chad -
I get your logic, but if you’re Javy then you have to realize a few things:
1. you’re not going to pitch well enough with the Yankees to increase your value.
2. Odds of getting a 3 year deal at 35 are very slim
3. 3 years at 9 mil/year is better than 1 year at 11-12 and then out of the game.
GreenBeret7 November 22nd, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Just throwing it out there because I?m sort of bored
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Perfect solution for boredom-watch Sesame Street clips on You Tube.
What’s the most it could cost the Yankees if he accepted? If they couldn’t work out a trade and they had to cut him loose then they’d have to pay 5 million…..is that right? So is the draft pick worth the risk of having to pay to cut him in ST I guess.
Nothing is a given in baseball from season to season where minor leaguers to superstars are concerned. They can either explode or blow up in your face.
Erin November 22nd, 2010 at 12:48 pm
GreenBeret7 November 22nd, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Just throwing it out there because I?m sort of bored
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Perfect solution for boredom-watch Sesame Street clips on You Tube.
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brrr. I’d rather take a whoopin’ and sent to bed without supper.
GreenBeret7 November 22nd, 2010 at 12:50 pm
brrr. I?d rather take a whoopin? and sent to bed without supper.
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You’re hopeless then.
Blake, if they cut him in ST. isn’t it like 25% of his salary. Even if they paid a little less than half of his salary of maybe $9 mil, they could get something useful for the future. It was just a thought, anyway. Of course, if his dream is to pitch longer and he was told his job was in the pen, it might scare him off.
GB,
If that’s true and the worst that could happen is that they’d have to pay 3 or 4 million to cut him then I think I might do it……I really don’t think he would accept.
Erin November 22nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm
GreenBeret7 November 22nd, 2010 at 12:50 pm
brrr. I?d rather take a whoopin? and sent to bed without supper.
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You’re hopeless then.
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Is being hopeless a bad thing?
I mean, being a hopeless romantic is better than being a hopeful romantic.
Blake, not sure of what the different percentages are, but, there’s a certain amount for a couple of different dates. Maybe Chad can explain that in his arbitration subject later.
Blake
How could you think I had such ulterior motive? No really I am not trying to get people to say that but curious as to what they would say.
Patrick
That would make it too easy to pass on two Yankee icons. Needed more controversy.
I’m not a big fan of playing around with people. To me, it was apparent that the Yankees were no longer interested in having Javy Vazquez pitch for them somewhere during the last 1/4 of the season.
A clean break seems the best thing to do. What kind of picks are you really talking about here? Filler? And for people who are all over paying certain people too much, doesn’t it seem ridiculous to throw $5 million away on a pitcher you know you’re going to cut, when you could use that $5 million for someone more useful – whether that’s a relief pitcher, a bench player, or just putting it toward someone else’s salary?
MP,
If they offered arbitration and it’s refused, NYYs would get what amounts to a 2nd round draft pick in 2011 in what is supposed to be talent heavy.
LGY,
Tulo is an easy pick…Id take Arod on the condition that the contract was 5 years or less. I would still rather have him on a shorter term deal than to committ long term to Hanley…especially since he may not even play infield in a few years.
LGY,
In that case I would still go for Tulo at SS and I’d sign Ramirez for 3B. I actually think A-rod is comparable to Hanley (offensively and defensively), but we are talking about signing one of them to a long term deal so I have to go with the younger guy.
The Yankees are not offering arbitration to Jeter, Andy, Mo or Javy, as none of them would get reductions in arbitration. They’re trying to reduce salary commitments long term, not get stuck in them for another year. And ‘God forbid’ that they do great in 2011, then the pressure will be even more intense to resign them to yet longer committments at higher salaries.
No, they want to reduce their risk exposure now.
Hinske is looking for two years and Brewers and Braves are hot for him. He made $1.5 mil last year and probably the same this year and next.
“What kind of picks are you really talking about here?”
Sandwich round pick. Probably somewhere between the 40th and 45th pick in the draft. Joba Chamberlain was picked around that time in the 2006 draft. It can be a good player.
Morning,
I get what you’re saying but there is no guarantee you’d have to pay anything (Javy made decline and if not you may could trade him) and early draft picks are valuable to the yanks because they don’t get many……lot.of good players have been taken with picks like the one Javy could bring. I don’t feel strongly about it one way or another but I do think they should consider it.
GreenBeret7 November 22nd, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Is being hopeless a bad thing?
I mean, being a hopeless romantic is better than being a hopeful romantic.
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In this case, yes, being hopeless is a bad thing. So there. :p
GB is right…this draft is.supposed to be very talented so the pick could be for a really good player.
OK, count me as a hopelessly romantic Yankee fan.
Thanks all. At least I am understanding your point of view better, and I don’t keep up with the draft, so I appreciate learning that there is some good talent on tap.
That being said, I still run conservative in this – and as DaSaint007 says, it’s really a risk that doesn’t need to be taken, financially.
In this vein, I have a question – the Yankees tend to pay (overpay) for a lot of their players. So, a Jeter or a Mo or a Javy goes to arbitration already being paid more than other “comparables.” But arbitration proceedings don’t seem to take this into account, am I correct? It’s totally based on what a particular player makes, and it’s an either/or number?
Yankees offering $120 million for Cliff Lee?
Cliff Lee(notes), the 32-year-old free agent lefty pitcher that everybody wants a piece of, is most likely about to become one of the highest-paid players in Major League Baseball history.
The Boston Globe reports that the New York Yankees are offering Lee a deal worth between $115 million and $120 million for five seasons of work
That means he would be making about $23 million or $24 million annually. The Yankees already have a hurler making about $23 million a season in the form of C.C. Sabathia(notes).
The Globe notes that the Texas Rangers “are determined to match whatever it gets up to.” Meanwhile, the Washington Nationals are the dark-horse candidate to watch.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ru.....mlb-287974
This is old news but what do we think about this?
Is Texas bluffing or will they match any offer?
The Yankees should absolutely offer arbitration to Jeter.
At the very least it is a negotiation tool because it makes him even less desireable on the open market.
Until Jeter or Close do walk into the room and say let’s compromise the Yankees need to protect themselves.
So far and it is still early every indication is that Derek have Close the marching orders to get him to best deal possible.
The Yankees need to take the same stance.
I’m not really expecting NYYs to make Vazquez the offer, but, just kicking it around to see what gets said about it. Looks sort of split right now, but, then, I do have the deciding vote.
Both actually, MP it’s based of previous salaries and their numbers. The most NYYs can reduce a cut is 20%.
“It’s totally based on what a particular player makes, and it’s an either/or number?”
As I understand it, both sides submit a number. The team’s number cannot be less than 80% of the player’s prior year’s salary. Numbers are submitted. Cases are stated. Arbiter decides on one number or the other. No middle ground. Process does not preclude team and player from continuing to negotiate though.
Brett,
I think they might go there but probably not further…..they may match that just to make the Yankees go 6. I think 6/140 will do it.
LGY,
That’s a fair stance…..but I think thyll work out a deal and avoid it.
At this minute, 47 years ago, the age of innocence died on the streets of Dallas.
So let me just understand something…if the Yankees haven’t reached a contract agreement with Jeter, Mo and Andy by tomorrow they are going to not negotiate with them for all of December?
That’s essentially what you’re looking at if I understand the rules of arbitration properly. You offer arbitration and whether the player accepts it or declines it you can negotiate up to the point when the hearings come up. If you don’t offer arbitration to a player you cannot negotiate with him until after the hearings conclude, some time in January.
That’s silliness. Of course the Yankees are going to offer these guys arbitration – it isn’t an insult – they won’t ever get to the point of going to arbitration but without making the offer the two sides can’t negotiate.
Watch, Javy will bounce back with a great year………
I am a huge Kennedy person. I remember when I was about 13, I bought a Time-Life book on JFK; I was too embarrassed to admit to my father what it was, so he got suspicious as to what I bought and insisted he see it. I used to wish I could go back in time and live in the 1960′s, under a young and vibrant President, but I changed my mind when I remembered what it must have been like to live under a nuclear threat every day. I also don’t think I could have handled 3 assassinations in 5 years very well.
Big AL, yes following youngsters is great fun, but latching onto one? I can’t do it anymore. There are too many ups and downs and most of them won’t amount to a hill of beans. Then there is the danger of falling for the hype; they may eventually succeed, but the hype has made it all but impossible to enjoy the journey because anything less than super success is something of a failure.
One thing working in NYYs advantage with Vazquez is that he wants to go to Florida and they want him, and it costs Florida nothing. He’s also long time friends from the same hometown with Edwin Rodriguez, the manager. That has to give NYYs a little food for thought.
Chip:
If arbitration isn’t offered, there isn’t going to be a hearing. Not offering arbitration does not preclude the team and player from continuing to negotiate. As an example, Andy Pettitte wasn’t offered arbitration after 2008 or 2009 and the Yankees were able to work it out with him.
I remember where I was 47 years ago today. A tearful 4th grade teacher came in the room and told the class about JFK
GreenBeret7 November 22nd, 2010 at 1:30 pm
That was a sad day GB!
No way would I offer arb to Javy, no way……..there’s no way to prove that he won’t take and we wouldn’t get any picks for him since he sucked so badly this year anyway.
Kennedy had his issues, whether true or false, but, there was not another group of leaders like that cabinet and,nobody else could have dealt with the missle crisis like that. I shudder to think what would have happened with the other alternative in charge.
I don’t think this is ugly yet, but this Jeter thing is sort of uncomfortable. I’ve had no problem with what the Yankees have said – I’m guessing that, despite what Hal said, the initial meetings did not go that well and they were put off by what Jeter/Close were asking for.
GB7,
JFK certainly drew a line in the sand on that deal….historic leadership during that time.
GB…..The world changed that Friday afternoon in Dallas, as the value of life in American society began to erode…..The images of death in Vietnam on television every night, then came the assinations of Dr. King and RFK……Make no mistake, it all began in Dallas when JFK was gunned down…….Everything changed that day……
yeah, it was quite a stroke of genius to throw up a blockade (an act of war) and call it a quarantine, and stare down the team holding all of the cards, and get away with it.
What might have been………….JFK used to be my favorite Kennedy, but he was surpassed by Teddy. I also wonder what it would have been like had RFK been President……..
I don’t mean re: the war, but he seemed like a guy that really cared about all the people and was truly passionate about taking care of the poor, the hungry, etc..
I don’t see Javy bouncing back with a good year. His fast ball disappeared last year. It is good for the the Yankees to forget about him and move on.
Even with a 20% pay cut, many Yankees would be better paid than most, wouldn’t they?
Thanks, guys.
“I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone”
- Crash Davis
“Make no mistake, it all began in Dallas when JFK was gunned down…….Everything changed that day……”
Prior to JFK, three Presidents were assassinated in office (Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley) and there were assassination attempts on 4 others (Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR and Truman). Unfortunately, murderous violence has long been part of American history.
Even though it will offend him, the Yanks have to look out for themselves in the Jeter negotiations and offer him arbitration. Hal has said multiple times that it is a business – and the smart business move is to protect themselves in case things go south with Jeter.
Did they offer arbitration to Jorge or Rivera in 07?
Ted Kennedy is your favorite Kennedy? Are you #*$&ing me?
I shouted out, “Who killed the Kennedys!?” when after all it was you and me..
Florida is in need of a 5th pitcher and short of trading off any assets to get one that can give them innings, Vazquez may be their cheapest bet. He’s much better in the NL and he knows it.
As I said, I just threw it out there to get off of the Jeter crap for a while.
In the least stunning news of the day category…. Votto NL MVP.
Patrick, there’s no point in going into it given your reaction…
Tom, I always figured you were a man of wealth and taste.
Ok. Morning hypo did not generate enough controversy. New hypo. Monday Afternoon Hypo.
A-Rod never opts out. Therefore both him and Derek are free agents today. Derek insists on a 4 year contract taking him through his age 40 season. A-Rod insists on a 6 year contract, also taking him through his age 40 season. Do your best to estimate the AAV when considering the questions.
Part A: You can only sign ONE. Who do you sign?
Part B: You can sign both. But, do you sign both?
Other than as a politician, never fond of Ted Kennedy. He was probably the best of the three as far as accomplishments, though. It was his personal life that torpedoed him with the people.
Trey Hillman hired as Dodgers bench coach for Donnie.
They also hired 2 hitting guys- a hitting coach and a hitting instructor?
My political point of the day: Ted Kennedy, as much as I respected him, wasn’t in the league of either JFK or RFK.
Now back to our regularly scheduled baseball discussions…
Yankees don’t generally offer arbitration.
Vazquez would make more on the open market than he would on a 1 yr/$12 million dollar deal with us. He won’t get $12 AAV, but he’ll get more than that overall on a multi-year deal. He’ll also get to go to a favorable, pressure-less location like Florida that he wants.
Makes no sense for him to accept arb. After the way the fans treated him, the manager showed little regard for him, the fact he was yanked from the rotation multiple times this year, he has no reason to come back here and be humiliated again. He knows he has no role here – if he does come back, he will be Oliver Perez’d and pitch in mop up once a week, killing his future value as well.
Chances are if he accepts arb, he is going to get cut by us in ST anyway, and only get a prorated minimum. Another team would then sign him for a few million. So he probably won’t sniff that $12 mil he would get in arb anyway. Remember, arbitration salary is not guaranteed.
It is worth the gamble. Just like Damon was worth the gamble last year, knowing Boras would never have taken a 1 yr deal. How do you expect to recoup picks like the Rays, Sox, etc. do if you never take risks in arb? With the Yankees, there will never be no-brainers to offer arb. to.
He won’t get to re-establish his value on a 1 yr deal because he won’t be in the rotation.
GB, I thoroughly understand why many have problems with Teddy… there are many who hate him (and many who love him).
I’m not going to argue with anyone who dislikes him……..my opinion is simply my own.
pat, Hillman didn’t last long back in pinstripes, did he? Donnie Baseball has guts, though, bringing in a guy that’s dying to get another managing job.
Teddy probably did accomplish more than his brothers, in part because he lived so much longer, but I always thought that Bobby would have been the best president.
Back to baseball news….Good for Joey Votto. He had an amazing year.
JM, Teddy was a Senator at heart……and Bobby was an executive (he didn’t have the patience, among other things, needed to succeed in the Senate).
Btw, very nice Sympathy for the Devil references…..
I believe Bobby had changed greatly from the time he was a brash young attorney general to 1968, when he was running for president. He grew up, developed more empathy, etc.
Pat -
One hitting guy is probably the major league coach (to replace Donnie) and the other will likely be an organizational hitting coordinator. That kind of guy travels to all the minor league teams and works with the top prospects there then makes some evaluations and takes them back to the home office…sort of like what Nardi Contreras does for Yankee pitchers.
As for the hire of Hillman – it’s a good pick. Donnie’s going to need someone with experience on his bench, Hillman is a good field general in that regard – he can see all the pieces on the board.
JM, from what I can tell, I think that’s true. It seemed to have started when he went down to Mississippi……….
GB7 -
I agree – Hillman is chomping at the bit to get back out there but I don’t think he would backstab Donnie to do it.
I’m actually a little surprised Donnie didn’t reach out to the recently unemployed Willie Randolph.
Teddy probably did accomplish more than his brothers, in part because he lived so much longer
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It’s true. I know many people that have died they’re all pretty much useless when it comes to getting things done.
# Bronx Jeers November 22nd, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Teddy probably did accomplish more than his brothers, in part because he lived so much longer
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It’s true. I know many people that have died they’re all pretty much useless when it comes to getting things done.
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So true, unless you believe in reincarnation.
In a way, Teddy was able to be a proactive and strong representative (whether you agree/disagree an whether you like/dislike him) because he was freed from having to run for president.
JM, I agree – I often thought RFK would have made the best president.
I wonder how the Vietnam War would have ended up had JFK lived and served a second term.
I wonder a lot of things.
But I agree with Pat M – that day in November upset all that was “certain” in this country and chaos ensued – you can see it in everything that occurred after that. The echoes of that day are still reverberating…numbing to the extent that every blow thereafter becomes less and less able to affect us. And that’s NOT a good thing.
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Congratulations to Joey Votto. I actually voted for him as an All-Star this year!
A-Rod never opts out. Therefore both him and Derek are free agents today. Derek insists on a 4 year contract taking him through his age 40 season. A-Rod insists on a 6 year contract, also taking him through his age 40 season
Jete is 36 and Alex is 35.
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I think your math is off
The Rays and Jays could really ruin the holidays for Grant Balfour and Scott Downs respectively by offering them arbitration.
With the amount of FA’s on the market I don’t think teams are going to give up a first round pick for those two guys – no matter how good they are.
I think both these players, if offered, will be going the route of Juan Cruz. Though in both case the team can do what the Braves did with Raf Soriano last year – offer the arbitration and then trade the player to a team that wants to sign them should they accept their arbitration offers.
Hillman is a good field general in that regard – he can see all the pieces on the board.
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He can see all the pieces, he just doesn’t know what to do with them.
Something that hasn’t been discussed much this off season. Who’s the setup guy next year?
Can’t be Joba. Wood is gone.
MP,
That is definitely true, and by the end of the ’60s, with the war, the assassinations of RFK and MLK, the Manson murders, etc. we all gradually became numb to the violence, as you suggest. A watershed moment, for sure.
As for Joey Votto, I voted for him every time I voted for Swish in the All-Star balloting, and that was a lot of votes!
# Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Something that hasn’t been discussed much this off season. Who’s the setup guy next year?
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DRob? Or has Joe lost faith in him?
I love all three Kennedy brothers, but Bobby has always been my favorite.
Bronx Jeers November 22nd, 2010 at 2:17 pm
It?s true. I know many people that have died they?re all pretty much useless when it comes to getting things done.
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D-Rob? Yikes. We should be able to do better than that. No Joba. No D-Rob. No Wood. No Benoit.
Then who?
Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Something that hasn?t been discussed much this off season. Who?s the setup guy next year?
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My guess: Robertson
Bret The Hitman November 22nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Something that hasn’t been discussed much this off season. Who’s the setup guy next year?
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It could be Joba, but it probably won’t be Joba.
My hope is that Toronto doesn’t offer Downs arbitration and the Yankees sign him. Short of that I would like to see NY bring in a bunch of guys on minor league deals and hope one emerges from the group – my top candidates would be Rich Harden, Brandon McCarthy and Joel Zumaya.
No one on the FA market really does anything for me outside of Downs and maybe Balfour.
Though I did suggest earlier a possible trade for Joe Nathan.
Btw, for those thinking you could just cut Javy if he accepted arbitration and only have to pay a % of his salary, it has to be done in good faith.
If the Yankees can’t trade Javy and the Yankees were to decide to cut him, Javy would likely filed a grievance.
The Yankees would then have to prove that Javy failed “to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability.” in ST.
If Javy were to win his grievance he would not only get paid in FULL from the Yankees but also he would be an unrestricted free agent.
Chamberlain will limp back from the woodshed and take the job, unless somebody is brought in. Robertson doesn’t feel like a set-up guy to me. He’s the set-up guy for the set-up guy.
Ted Kennedy was a disgusting human being.
JFK was a mediocre president but a good leader.
Robert Kennedy I know nothing about.
It’s sad that JFK and his bro were assassinated but I really don’t care at all about any of them.
You really think Cashman will give up a draft pick for Downs? Pretty sad commentary that with all the pitching talent we are developing that we don’t have a major league ready power arm in the minors to compete for that role.
Patrick – good to keep politics off this blog don’t you agree?
NYYs aren’t coughing up their first pick for a set-up guy and no way will Toronto and tampa not offer them arbitration.
“I think both these players, if offered, will be going the route of Juan Cruz.”
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Can see it with Balfour.
Can’t see it with Downs. His track record is too good and could probably be a closer for some teams.
Perhaps the set up guy could be whoever is good at the time?
LGY:
If that’s the case, it seems like too much of a risk, especially with what appears to be slightly more budget conscious ownership than we’ve seen in the past.
WCYF,
Tell that to the rest of the goofballs around here swooning over the Kennedys…
Just giving the opposite point of view.
Brackman.
Patrick – it just never goes anywhere good if you know what I mean. Baseball is contentious enough, just my opinion.
I don’t think its an option to offer Javy arbitration and then cut him in spring training for financial reasons. The players union would seriously fight that and its a fight that you don’t want to risk for a possible 2nd round pick. In addition, it would be a pretty classless act and not the image you want to present of the Yankees to other players. If Javy accepted, they’d have to either live with him or more likely pay a big chunk of his salary to trade him. It’s not really worth the risk in my opinion. If you want to devote that kind of money to amatuer talent, there are better ways to do it — increasing the budget for international signing and/or overslot signings.
They know they don’t want Javy back. There’s no reason to gamble on him accepting. I’d be pretty surprised if Cashman offered arb given how few players he has offered it to in recent years. They’ll offer it to Jeter because him accepting a 1 year commitment would be a best case scenario for the team.
Guys I’m pretty sure the 80 % rule for arbitration only applies to guys with less than six years service time… you can offer anything you want in arbitration with a free agent… which is why none of them will accept it.
Jeter might not get $ 12 million in arbitration as a 36-year-old .270 hitter with little speed and no power.
If a guy accepts they get a minimum of 30 days (1/6th) pay. So for a guy like Vazquez it’s probably about a $ 1 M – 1.5 M risk that he accepts and you have to dump him. That’s a significant amount of money for a possible sandwich pick… which is why it’s unlikely to happen.
Most of the original remarks, including the first one had zero to do with politics…goofball.
Patrick – it just never goes anywhere good if you know what I mean. Baseball is contentious enough, just my opinion.
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Why am I the one getting called out? Was I the first one to bring politics to the blog?
you can’t fight a cut that gets done every year.
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Patrick,
Because you are the only one who seems to be looking for a fight. The other posts are simply people’s personal reminiscences of that day or of the Kennedys in general. Your posts that Ted was “disgusting” and that people who like the Kennedys are “goofballs” contribute nothing to the discussion and appear to be designed to start a silly argument.
Baseball arguments are what this blog is for. Not political arguments.
Patrick November 22nd, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Patrick – it just never goes anywhere good if you know what I mean. Baseball is contentious enough, just my opinion.
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Why am I the one getting called out? Was I the first one to bring politics to the blog?
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Wasn’t calling you out, sorry if it appeared this way. Just a general comment.
Patrick -
Although valid points, 2 things that should not be discussed are politics and religion, not on a baseball blog for sure.
Javy will likely do ok with either of those NL teams…..just like he did after his initial stay in NY…..NY is just “not Javy’s kind of town”. Frank S. did not have him in mind when he did his thing.
Jeter, Mo and if he wants Andy will all be back. Other than that the one guy I would really like to stay is Wood. Pitched great, seemed like a great team fit and was almost as good as Mo, but I do agree the money is just too much. The way teams throw money around I’m sure some one will give him a nice deal as a closer. In house options for the 8th are shakey, Joba, might be traded, leaving Robertson or Aceves if he can stay healthy. Very curious that
Aceves wasn’t healthy enough to pitch this season but is pitching in the Mexican league??