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Hank: “We’ve already made these guys very, very rich”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 23, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Whether things have grown more tense behind the scenes is hard to say, but certainly the public perception of the Yankees negotiations with Derek Jeter have taken a turn in the past 48 hours or so. The latest public comments come from Hank Steinbrenner — not Hal — who spoke to the Associated Press. Here’s the AP story.

ALCS Yankees Rangers BaseballNEW YORK (AP) — Hank Steinbrenner has a message as the New York Yankees negotiate to re-sign Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera.

“As much as we want to keep everybody, we’ve already made these guys very, very rich, and I don’t feel we owe anybody anything monetarily,” the Yankees co-chairman said Tuesday. “Some of these players are wealthier than their bosses.”

New York has made a $45 million, three-year offer to Jeter, a baseball executive with knowledge of the proposal said, speaking on condition of anonymity because it wasn’t made public.

“We’ve encouraged him to test the market and see if there’s something he would prefer other than this,” general manager Brian Cashman told ESPNNewYork.com, without confirming the figure. “If he can, fine. That’s the way it works.”

Jeter is coming off a $189 million, 10-year contract that was second only to Alex Rodriguez’s deals of $252 million and $275 million, both over a decade.

Now 36, Jeter hit .270 with 10 homers, down from a .334 average and 18 homers the previous season. While his RBIs increased by one to 67, his on-base percentage fell from .406 to .340 and his slugging average dropped from .465 to .370.

An off year or the start of a career-ending tailoff? No way to tell.

But without the threat of negotiations involving other teams, there’s little pressure for either side to make a deal quickly.

“Do we want to keep Derek? Of course we do, obviously,” Steinbrenner said. “Obviously we all want to keep Derek and we all want to keep Mo.”

Steinbrenner remains confident deals will be reached to keep the pair.

“I don’t think in the end they will be unreasonable,” he said. “It’s going to come down to what’s fair for everybody considering all circumstances.”

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534 Responses to “Hank: “We’ve already made these guys very, very rich””

  1. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    “Some of these players are wealthier than their bosses.”

    bosses yes, owners no.

  2. Central CT Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Hardball…It’s a reality

  3. Against All Odds November 23rd, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    The FO just keeps digging their grave deeper. They actually had a good portion of the fan base on their side but that’s gone now.

  4. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    “Lance Berkman tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that eight teams have expressed some interest in him this offseason”

    Wonder if the Yankees considered asking Berkman if he would decline arbitration as well.

  5. Chase November 23rd, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    I really wish Hank and Hal had nothing to do with this team. Or were anything like their father.

  6. Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    How hot is future princess Kate?

    ooooyyyyyyeeeeahhhs

  7. ZMAN November 23rd, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Interesting to see when Close responds… he can’t just keep letting his client take shots like this.

    The only thing that would make this negotiation crazier was if Boras was Jeter’s agent.

  8. Barry November 23rd, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    It seems clear that the turn negotiations are taking between Derek and the organization, are somewhat different from the Rivera situation. Based on prior history, not between Jeter and the team, but Torre, Williams, I do not expect this to work out. And to some degree, the seemingly intentional failure to deal behind closed doors, is designed to signal change.

    And I don’t like it one bit.

  9. Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    hot, the answer is HOT

  10. clownthrowindown November 23rd, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    On what other team would players at the end of their careers expect RAISES/ Only on the Yankees do players get expect more money after their primes. Its about time someone called out these overpaid, greedy “legacy” players. Good work Hank!

  11. jacksquat November 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    I think the Yankees should stick to 3/45. That’s already far more than he is worth. As far as him bringing people to the stadium, that is compensated by Jeter’s promotional opportunities being a Yankee and in NYC. I think it’s a very fair offer and not even really “hardball”.

    And 7 years for Lee is ridiculous. I don’t even like 6. All these long contracts, the team is going to end up having too many old players with expensive contracts.

  12. GayleF November 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    It truly is amazing that some people’s perception of George Steinbrenner is so off. He may have been quiet and classy in negotiations in his later years but someone needs to go back and look at his quotes when Bernie was a free agent of some of the other players back in the day he was as brash and even more public than his sons. Don’t let his later years fool anyone.

  13. 4 NYY November 23rd, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Seems fair to me. Even for Yanks. Jeter knows he’s loved in N.Y. and isn’t gonna get near what the Yanks are offering elsewhwere.

    He’ll be back ( I hope) and Mo too. And if Pettitte wants another year, he deserves it.

  14. Against All Odds November 23rd, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    # clownthrowindown November 23rd, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    On what other team would players at the end of their careers expect RAISES/ Only on the Yankees do players get expect more money after their primes. Its about time someone called out these overpaid, greedy “legacy” players. Good work Hank!
    ———————————————————————-

    I hope you’re being sarcastic because Hank is the same one that overpaid for A-rod lol

  15. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Hank’s quote was actually cut off.

    It should have read…”…and I don’t feel we owe anybody anything monetarily, Except A-Rod of course. Him I thought we owed 300 million. You see Brian and Hal were dead-set against re-signing Alex but then Warren Buffet called. Only I thought it was Jimmy Buffet and I got real excited. I said ‘Jimmy, You go and hum me a few bars of “Cheeseburger in Paradise” and I’ll see what I can do about getting your friend a new contract”

  16. clownthrowindown November 23rd, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    If Jeter was a 37 year old, no range, single hitting .270 player on any other team, the hypocrites on this board would be crucifying him for his greed and ego. Every time a free agent gets signed by another team, people here say the guy is overpaid. But they think Jeter and Rivera deserve raises because they are Yankees. 37 year olds and 40 year olds don’t get raises from the huge amounts they already make. If they are so delusional and such ingrates then the Steinbrenners should let them take their pompous attitudes elsewhere.

  17. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    That scream you just heard was me grabbing a pie plate before it fell from the oven with my bare hand.

    I now have no fingerprints on 2 fingers but the pie was saved!

    As for Hank, just ignore the man out on the balcony smoking a cigarette.

  18. tampayank November 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    We are operating in a different economy that will continue to affect pro sports, pro athletes will have to adjust also, especially those in decline

  19. Giuseppe Franco November 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    I don’t have any issues with Hal Steinbrenner at all. I’m no fan of Hank at all.

    The Boss was a once in a lifetime kind of owner, but I couldn’t stand the media circuses he caused.

    He often caused more harm than good. Just remember the 80s.

  20. Eroc November 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    “I think the Yankees should stick to 3/45.”

    You would hope so. They have 0 reason to increase the offer. If they can’t stand firm in this negotiation, where they have all the leverage, when are they possibly going to hold their ground? And no one can blame it on Hank like they do the A-Rod/Posada deals.

    Let’s see what they are made of. They’ve talked the talk, and done it well. Can they walk the walk? They’ve told everyone how fair their offer is and backed it up by telling him to go on the market and see just how fair it is. So what is the rationale for giving him more money if you told the world confidently how good your offer is already?

  21. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    hank and levine are right.

    they gotta put these guys in their place.

    i mean, they’re only ballplayers after all.

    they are really no different than race horses when you think about it.

  22. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Hank is back? Unshackled and ungagged from the basement they finally allow him to speak?
    Pulling out all stops. Unbelievable.

  23. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    “Some of these horses eat more than their bosses!”

  24. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Jete is going to be “Damoned”. Here’s why:

    1. He has the Joe D. ego trip.
    2. Marrying an actress. Once again Joe. D ego trip.
    3. Doesn’t realize that there isn’t an “I” in team.
    4. Is a gluttonous pig hence the 30000 square foot mansion he is building in Tampa.

    Thank you Derek for your service. Try to get greater than 15 million some where else?

    “Damoned”

  25. MTU November 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Are the Yankees doing a Joe Torre on Jeter ?

    Is it actually possible that they really don’t want him back ?

    Wasn’t Torre’s offer considered “fair” ?

  26. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Ya know it’s funny… nobody in MLB wants to be Alex when he’s getting booed in every stadium including his own, dissected by the media and blamed for everything short of global warming but everyone wants to be him on payday.

  27. jacksquat November 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    It’s good cop, bad cop. Hank is the bad cop.

  28. Yank 97 November 23rd, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    This negotiation is so large, they needed TWO bad cops. Levine alone wasn’t enough, now they pulled Hank out of the cellar to deliver a message on behalf of the FO!

  29. Wave Your Hat November 23rd, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    The incomparable Nate Silver has weighed in on the Jeter negotiations.

    To make a long story short, he believes over the next three years Derek is likely to be worth, in on- and off-field contributions, somewhere between $30MM and $60MM, and believes a 3 year, $45MM offer to be reasonable and unlikely to be topped by another club given that Jeter’s off-field value is so tied to the Yanks:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n.....ref=sports

  30. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    They could be offering the Capt. an offer he must refuse a la Torre.
    Telling him to take a hike, MTU.

  31. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 23rd, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    “hank and levine are right.

    they gotta put these guys in their place.

    i mean, they’re only ballplayers after all.

    they are really no different than race horses when you think about it.”

    ———————————————————————

    Very funny. Workers of the world unite. Blue collar Jeter is being run down the garbage chute. That’s a good one.

  32. CB November 23rd, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    “We are operating in a different economy that will continue to affect pro sports, pro athletes will have to adjust also, especially those in decline”

    Baseball revenues continue to increase year after year. Last year they totaled roughly 7 billion dollars.

    It certainly is a very different economy. Not one that’s difficult to adjust to however.

  33. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    I just wished they conducted their business in private. This is such a turnoff that I may start watching the NBA again or maybe hockey. I hate this cr*p. I really do not want to know their business. And that is my two cents. I really do not. I want to watch baseball, play it when I have the opportunity not listen to this b.s.

  34. MTU November 23rd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Mick-

    I can’t believe it but it has crossed my mind.

    Maybe, I don’t want to believe it.

    Classless if true.

  35. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Just read an old-1959- SI article on the boxer Jack Johnson.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...../index.htm

  36. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Hank and Hal are about as unlikeable as you can find. Dour, arrogant, snide, pompous and those are their good attributes. Did I mention they know nothing about baseball?

  37. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    wow ,kalinda on The Good Wife looks just like an old girlfriend.

    that doesn’t sound so bad except she cut up my baseball uniform in little pieces with an exacto knife.

    itty bitty little pieces.

  38. Rob_NY November 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Off topic but Farmington ME is one of my favorite places (from June to August). The town actually has some cool bars to stop in at and the woods are absolutely gorgeous.

    I remember a woman up there who had predicted it to be the sight of the second coming right? lol UMaine Farmington is also a pretty good college. I was there last February though and they don’t have sidewalks, just cut stairs into the snow and climb on up lol God bless Mainers for dealing with those winters.

  39. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    MTU

    Did you see the movie, 127 Hours?

  40. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    The team will go on with or without Thurston Howell the Third aka Jete.

  41. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Randy that sounds like an act of vengeance.

  42. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Hank and Hal are about as unlikeable as you can find. Dour, arrogant, snide, pompous and those are their good attributes. Did I mention they know nothing about baseball?
    ========================
    Chips off the old block?

  43. CB November 23rd, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    The orioles declined arbitration on Koji Uehara. He’s a pretty good arm as long as he’s not pitching to Alex….

    The Yanks may kick the tires on him.

  44. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Evening MTU

  45. Yogi Mantle November 23rd, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Berkman will land somewhere, but I doubt it would be near his current range. That is the tough thing about offering arbitration. Too many of these older players are facing cuts in pay, when that happens getting one year of high salary where they might get to show improvement is very tempting.

    I don’t see anything wrong with what both sides are doing to position themselves in this contract negotiation. Jeter would have had an easier time of it if he had a better year performance wise with his bat. The Yankees also have a very high payroll, and are looking to add on a high cost pitcher to that mix.

    The tough part is that Jeter and Mo are both getting up there in age. While they both seem to be doing well enough for their roles, the risk gets higher with each year for the Yankees to be paying top dollar for them moving into the ages where decline is going to come.

    I think Jeter will be given a contract that will have some incentives in it to pad the amount some based on performance or achievements. Possibly options for more years.

    This reminds me quite a bit of the way things worked out with Mo the last time and Jorge as well. Meanwhile, Jorge got an extra year and he most likely will not be the main catcher for the Yankees. Those things weigh against Jeter as sooner or later he won’t be playing SS.

    The thing to remember with Alex’s contract was his HR title chase and at the time, players seemed to be playing well longer in their careers… till the steroid and HGH use slowed big time. Add to that, George loved Alex and probably, even in his decline, wanted him to remain in pinstripes. That wasn’t all just Hank’s doing. George had indicated his desire in the New Jersey paper to keep Alex.

  46. MTU November 23rd, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Not out in Utah yet. Read the book. Have hiked the area.

    You see it ?

  47. tampayank November 23rd, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    It would be disrespectful if another team had a higher offer which does not exist. They do have to be more careful w MO bc he WILL have a market outside of the Yankes

  48. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    There was a scene at the end where a family saves the victim and I thought of you, wandering the desert with wife and child.

  49. MTU November 23rd, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Hey Bronx-

    Do you believe what’s goin’ on ?

    Has an unreal quality to it.

  50. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Mo will be kept and paid well. He shouldn’t be in any of the discussions. He is a done deal imo.

  51. MTU November 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    You should his read book.

    “Between a rock and a hard place.”

    He had a death wish IMO. Cheated death before that time.

  52. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    “Is it actually possible that they really don’t want him back ?”

    yeah, jerkface says he’s no good anymore.

    he doesn’t want him back.

    he pretty much thinks like cashman.

    it’s only a rumor that the yankees will be getting a new name.

    they will be called the New York Sabermetrics

    players will be anonymous and will wear masks.

    it’s been proven that fans only care about winning and the laundry.

    hank and randy have given hal and brian the push they needed to take this long dreamed of step.

  53. Scoop November 23rd, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Sure Hank, screw over two of the greatest Yankees in the last 20 or 30 years. You and your GM BC have screwed up and overpaid classless bums like AJ and Arod and NOW you decide to be a hardass for the Captain and the greatest reliever of all time, a couple of real classy standup guys. You’re as classless as your overpaid signees are. If Jeter or Mariano leaves, you will finally have given me the strength to kick my NYY addiction of 53 years. Oh and by the way, who ya gonna get to be the first Yankee to break 3000 hits???? Think about it.

  54. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Is the coming playoff expansion going to affect how much money a team spens. Teams aren’t going to be spending to build teams that are projected to win 95+ games anymore.

  55. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Yes having a feelings based manager for the last three years in Dodgerville really paid off. Poor Jetes. I pray that he can survive on 15 million a year. Working mans wages hahah.

  56. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    I wonder how far apart they are.
    Have heard nothing about Jeter’s demands.
    It must be ludicrous if they are dusting off Hank for some dirty work.

  57. I Like Inge November 23rd, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    I agree with Scoop, except for the A-Rod being a bum (remember 09 dude :) ) statement. I want to see these guys close it out as Yankees. Why they are messing around with Jeter who wants to cash in big time is beyond me. Meet in the middle and deal with it. These guys paid Pavano, Igawa, and a bunch of other guys to do nothing. At least Jeter will be a constant contributor on the team.

    I won’t feel the same about this team if Jeter plays elsewhere. The team needs to make it happen.

  58. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 23rd, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Javy finally did something right and for the team. He is declining arbitration. Finally he is clutch.

  59. murphydog November 23rd, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    “randy l:

    wow ,kalinda on The Good Wife looks just like an old girlfriend.
    that doesn’t sound so bad except she cut up my baseball uniform in little pieces with an exacto knife.
    itty bitty little pieces.”

    It could have been you instead of the uniform, Mr. Bobbit. Thank your lucky stars.

    BTW, I just finished “The Last Boy” Jane Leavy’s bio of the Mick. Honest book. Your boy Boyer is in there semi-frequently. What a life Mickey led, not all that dissimilar to the Babe, on reflection.

  60. Jeet November 23rd, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    hank can go take a hike!

    i’m derek jeter. i’m an icon, captain and matinee idol all roll into one. i single-handedly won all 5 of those championships – the yankees are nothing without me. who cares if i can’t even hit the ball anywhere even close to the warning track anymore – assuming i can actually get the ball out of the infield. the yankees and their fans need me. how dare cashman and hank bash me like that? and that joel sherman is a jeter hater. doesn’t he understand iconic-ness and how much it’s worth?

    i don’t have an ego – i just need to get paid – again. that just expired $189m deal was a hometown discount. no such discount now. give me $180m for 6 years or i’m taking my services somewhere else – somewhere where my iconic-ness is appreciated. you watch – all those suckers, i mean yankees fans, will stop coming to the stadium if i don’t play the yankees next year.

    i’m not greedy but gimme! gimme! gimme! gimme! gimme!

  61. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Jeter is worth 150 to 200 million minimum. How many 30,000 square foot castles can he build? How many yahts can he water ski behind? Gordon Gekko of the baseball world.

  62. Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    I don’t know about you fellas but I cannot ignore Princess Kate.

    :lol:

  63. Joe D November 23rd, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    No one is a bigger Jeter fan than me. I follow the uniform. Just because the Yanks screwed up by signing A-Rod to that ridiculous contract doesn’t mean that they can’t learn from it. They will go to 4 years and 75-80M. They would probably go year-to-year after that like Andy. That’s disrespecting the Captain?

  64. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    MTU, honestly I cannot believe what is going on. I just cannot believe it. Jeter and Mo are two of the best Yankees of all time and what is going on is not simply about the money or years. It is much like Randy says – management vs. player – how can you pay ARod and AJ what they have been paid and even Tex and not come across for Mo and Derek. That makes no sense. I have to admit I did not see this coming at all. Like Scoop said, if this does not get worked out, I may drop the Yankees and I was born in the Bronx right near the stadium. But I dropped them once after how they treated Mantle I can do it again. There is no reason to do this out in public. It should be conducted as gentlemen but I guess we may not be dealing with gentlemen after all. I am in shock – like I said I did not see this coming. I don’t like the attitude one bit – players are not owned – they were emancipated – and yes they are now free to go wherever they wish – but to see Derek or Mo in another uniform would just break my heart. I wanted Derek to be the first Yankee to get 3000 hits. That alone is worth the price of admission.

    Robert Kennedy once said it is not whether you win or lose, it is how you play the game. I have always felt if you play the game right you always win in the long run. To me this is how Jeter plays the game.

  65. I Like Inge November 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 pm
    I don’t know about you fellas but I cannot ignore Princess Kate.

    ————-

    No doubt.

    Princess Kate and may I add Olivia Wilde are looking fine right now. You seen her new pics in Details magazine. Damn!!

  66. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Minka will have his little Jeters and then take his assets. Tiger Woods is shaking his head.

  67. Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Olivia Wilde…mamacita…oooof

    :lol:

    Wait…I KNOW YOUR PLAN!!!

    Quit trying to shake me off Princess Kate!!!!

    :mad:

  68. RSM November 23rd, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    “Ya know it?s funny? nobody in MLB wants to be Alex when he?s getting booed in every stadium including his own, dissected by the media and blamed for everything short of global warming but everyone wants to be him on payday.”

    Pat,
    VERY good point.

  69. yanks 27 November 23rd, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    On Tuesday, Cashman acknowledged in a telephone interview that the Jeter situation was now taking away attention from other matters.

    “We would like to have him signed, in the fold, and concentrating on other aspects of the team,” Cashman said of Jeter. “Instead, we are concentrating on re-signing our shortstop.”

    On Monday, Cashman said in an interview with The New York Times that the team had “concerns” with both Jeter’s age and his recent on-field performance and that both needed to be factored into any new, increasingly elusive contract with Jeter, the 36-year-old team captain.

    “We have been very honest and direct with them — meaning Derek and Casey,” he added. “We have made it clear to them that our primary focus is his on-the-field performance.”

    On Tuesday, Cashman went a little further, stating that Jeter “is free to test the market, he’s a free agent.” Close, in turn, declined to respond to e-mail requests for a comment. And there were no talks between the two sides as Thanksgiving approached.

    “And Derek Jeter is the person we want playing shortstop,” he added. But Cashman also said the money in a new contract “has to be a fair salary” that reflects the fact that Jeter will turn 37 next June and is on the downside of his career.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11......html?_r=2

  70. Tar November 23rd, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Randy thanks for keeping up the good fight.

    BronxBorn very well said. As a fan of over 40 years, I am disgusted and embarrassed over the comments coming from the Yankees front office. Not necessary and most definitely not cool.

  71. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    murphydog-

    good point about it could have been worse which definitely crossed my mind at the time.

    no one was mantle, but clete had quite the life too.

    a damn good player, and he was billy’s third base coach for years.

    the one thing that struck me was that getting older wasn’t kind to those guys.

    i will say though that i would have run through a wall for clete.

    those old yankees has a way of making you want to do that.

    they did it for each other too.

  72. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Thanks Tar.. I just find it shocking. I did not see this coming at all. I must have had my head in the sand.

  73. RSM November 23rd, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    I think people need to realize that to negotiate effectively, one must not allow emotion to cloud one’s judgement.
    Even assuming the Yankees really do want Jeter back, and I think they do, there is absolutely no reason to budge from 3/45 unless another team is willing to match it. To offer more for no reason would make NO sense.
    It’s not monopoly money.

  74. P November 23rd, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    In case you guys haven’t figured it out yet, Lost is Hank Steinbrenner.

  75. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    randy,

    You have talked a big game the past couple days criticizing the Yankee FO, but you haven’t stepped up and said what it is you want them to do.

    So, the audience is yours.

    What are you offering Jeter? What is the max you would pay him?

  76. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Absolutely classless, tactless comments from Hank……………I wonder if his brother is fuming. Sickening.

  77. Stacey November 23rd, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    If they let Jeter go I too may have to give up on pro baseball (I can’t believe I just said that). I think it is absurd how much money these guys make. I have always wanted to be able to say no to pro sports because of the money but the Yankees were the reason I stayed around. I love baseball and I love the Yankees. I live in Seattle and try to be a Mariner fan just cause I like baseball so much, when Alex left I figured good riddance, this team doesn’t need a player like him. When the Yankees traded for him I almost puked but figured I didn’t have to like him I just had to hope he hit a lot of homeruns. I was so happy when ARod walked way…couldn’t believe the Yanks took him back. I am appalled at the price of seats at Yankee Stadium. I know I can get decent seats for a somewhat reasonable price but $2500 for one seat for one game are you kidding me???? It is all of these things that make me mad. And now the Jeter negotiations. I can’t believe its come to this point. I get their side and his…both seem unreasonable to me…Jeter’s house in St. Petersburg is obscene but I always thought he was one of the good guys. I get why people hate the Yankees and I always say if I wasn’t a fan I would hate them too. Now I kinda understand all the people I meet in Seattle who say they grew up Yankee fans, from NY, went to YS when they were kids but now root for the Mariners….before I couldn’t ever imagine how that could happen…but now I kinda get it. If Jeter can leave the Yanks I guess I could too. I can’t believe I just said that…don’t tell my dad or my brother : )

  78. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    I like Hal…………..I don’t care if he’s serious, that’s a good thing IMO. Hank is a first class idiot. I hope the perception of the Yankees doesn’t change now because if he’s going to start opening his mouth……..

  79. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 23rd, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    “And Derek Jeter is the person we want playing shortstop,” he added. But Cashman also said the money in a new contract “has to be a fair salary” that reflects the fact that Jeter will turn 37 next June and is on the downside of his career.
    —————————————————————————————————-

    The Cashman strategy will work well. Jete will sign because he isn’t starting over in a new city, he’s not leaving the biggest stage in baseball. He will sign for 17 million a year max to save face.

    It’s funny how people say that baseball players are in a business and are businessmen, but when it comes to the owners, they are not defined under the same standard. It’s always the cliche of the player getting screwed. Well, Jeter is not worth more than 15 million. Tuff on Jeter if it’s all about pride, ego and money when the team has taken care of him. The moron would be making 50 k a year fixing leaking roofs if he didn’t have his baseball skills. Bravo to Cashman and the Steinbrenners for not getting blackmailed.

  80. Stacey November 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    sorry I only use this blog as therapy

  81. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Bronx Born, so what do you want the Yankees to do? Give Jeter whatever he wants? Have the team stuck with a potentially very bad contract for years?

    The real problem is if it’s true that Cash can’t get anything done because he’s got to deal with Jeter…………this is going to drag on, so he needs to be able to multi-task

  82. Jeet November 23rd, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    thank you stacey and legions and legions and millions and millions of my fans.

    i reiterate – the yankees are nothing without me. and if you don’t pay me and if stacey is any indication the stadium that i built will draw less than the those mutts in flushing.

  83. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    The quote: # “He should be nothing but a New York Yankee. He chooses not to be.” — Brian Cashman, on Derek Jeter and the negotiating process. about 3 hours ago via TweetDeck

    Was wrong. Cashman apparently really said this:

    Let me correct this Cashman quote on Jeter. “He should be nothing but a New York Yankee, if he chooses to be.” My apologies everyone. 39 minutes ago via TweetDeck

  84. MTU November 23rd, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Bronx-

    I didn’t see it either. :(

  85. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    “What are you offering Jeter? What is the max you would pay him?”

    10 year contract for 70 million and a lifetime services contract for when hank puts him out to stud .

  86. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 pm
    wow ,kalinda on The Good Wife looks just like an old girlfriend.

    that doesn’t sound so bad except she cut up my baseball uniform in little pieces with an exacto knife.

    itty bitty little pieces.

    ———————————————————————-

    Was that with you in it? :lol:

  87. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    No Betsy, that is not what I am talking about. I want them all to shut up and stop using the media and fans and deal with it in a dignified manner. They should negotiate with reality – and cut out the rhetoric. The amount of money is obscene… Like I said Poets don’t get paid like that.. :) but jeez do your business and get on with it.

  88. Stacey November 23rd, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    wish it wouldn’t have become a media circus…. I guess that’s an oxymoron…the Yankees are a media circus no matter what…. but now it seems like its going to be about sticking their ground and saving face

  89. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    “10 year contract for 70 million and a lifetime services contract for when hank puts him out to stud .”

    —————————————–

    Now everyone can rip randy for what an awful proposal this is when he is criticizing Cash and Co. Hooray!

  90. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    “Was that with you in it? ”

    there are times when properly motivated a catcher can run faster than you’d think.

  91. RSM November 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    “I always thought he was one of the good guys”

    Many of you will kill me for saying this, but I think he has everyone fooled. Jeter is a master of staying out of the headlines, and subsequently has kept his image squeaky clean. Don’t get me wrong, he plays baseball with class and sportsmanship, and that’s admirable. That said, I never thought he made a good captain (That’s Jorge IMO), and I don’t think he’s some unassuming choirboy off the field (That’s Pettitte IMO). The guy only dates supermodels and and actresses, and is building a embarrassingly gaudy palace in Florida – what exactly makes you think he is so wholesome and down to earth? Do those sound like the traits of a “good guy?”

    Alex may be immature and insecure, but at least what you see is what you get. Conversely, Jeter is secretive and forgive me for saying this, but phoney.

    Remember, it’s the quiet ones that have the most skeletons in their closet.

  92. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    I’m referring to your 10:41 post, where you say that Mo and Jeter have not been taken care of. Jeter is 37 years old and may be in decline; 3/45 is hardly chump change

  93. CompassRosy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    “Now I kinda understand all the people I meet in Seattle who say they grew up Yankee fans, from NY, went to YS when they were kids but now root for the Mariners….before I couldn’t ever imagine how that could happen…but now I kinda get it. If Jeter can leave the Yanks I guess I could too. I can’t believe I just said that…don’t tell my dad or my brother : )”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    My lips are sealed, Stacey.
    But, should you decide to do the unthinkable, I’ll support you 100%

    Now, considering my allegiance…
    I suppose that doesn’t mean too much, but just thought I’d offer it up ;-)

  94. MTU November 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Night everyone.

  95. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Ballplayers have a limited shelf-life. In the past before free agency they were treated as if they were owned. Now of course they are free to go where the bucks are. But there gets to a point where the game is more important than the owners or the players. Baseball has always stood for something special to me. From the way the game is played, the rules, pitching, batting and defense. I love the smell of my baseball glove. No other sport captures all this intensity. The team and the individual. They have to work together yet function individually. It is one on one when that pitcher steps to the mound and the batter digs his cleats into the box. That is magic. I don’t begrudge a player for trying to get as much as he is worth. Just like I don’t begrudge the owners to make a profit. But when it gets obscene like the Loria’s of the world who just take and don’t give back to the community, it just is a big turnoff. And now we have our friend Jeter who makes gazillions and the Yankees who also make a ton of dough duking it out when they should be working on winning the next world series. I just don’t like it. Sometimes I just take my mitt and pound my baseball into it. It handles a lot of frustration and stress. The smell of the leather, the feel of the ball in my hands. That’s baseball. Not this b.s.

  96. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    lgy-

    my plan gets him for 7 million in 2011. there’s a method to my madness. what’s your plan get him for in 2011? 15 million? that’s overpaying . 7 million is much better.

    … and you told me yourself that the cashman will have the farm system spitting out young players in a few years so the 7 million a year 5-10 years from now won’t even matter because the payroll will be so low.

  97. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    The Yankees have handled this as poorly as one can imagine. It’s not the money it’s the process. Negotiating publicly, constant public statements from Hal, Levine, Cashman and now Hank, leaks to the media. They are treating an icon who is on a par with Ruth, Gehrig, Dimggio and Mantle as if he is just another ballplayer. And again, I am not talking about what the offer is or isn’t, I am talking about the negotiating dynamics. They are an embarrassment.

  98. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Betsy, I never said they were not being taken care of I said I did not like the tactics being used.

  99. P November 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    maybe you should add that he pulls up to the gym and starbucks in his blue Ferrari.

  100. Tar November 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    I will always root for the Yankees, but I don’t always have to spend my money on them.

    If Mo or Derek go elsewhere, so will my money.

    Randy

    That is what I think as well. They should be talking lifetime. Why Cash is so insisted on making this all about last years stats, and setting contract parameters with these two, is beyond me. He is risking a hell of a lot if it backfires on him.

  101. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Just remember folks, whatever the Yankees end up doing is smarter than randy’s dumb 10/70 proposal! :mad: :mad:

    What is this guy thinking????

  102. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Exactly WCYF – exactly

  103. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Bronx Born, this is exactly what you said:

    MTU, honestly I cannot believe what is going on. I just cannot believe it. Jeter and Mo are two of the best Yankees of all time and what is going on is not simply about the money or years. It is much like Randy says – management vs. player – how can you pay ARod and AJ what they have been paid and even Tex and not come across for Mo and Derek. That makes no sense

  104. waka flocka November 23rd, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    100% with the front office on this one. Jeter has rarely been a $20M player during his first extension. Now he is scoffing at $15M a year? Okay Derek. You go and shop the Yankees offer around. If you can find someone to top $15M a year over three years then sign with them. Then you can tell us all how it wasn’t about the money, it was about “respect” (even though every member of the Yankee FO is vocal about wanting him to return).

  105. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    “15 million? that’s overpaying”

    ———————-

    How is 15 million an overpay?

    I thought Jeter still had so much left in the tank???

    Are you saying he is a 7 million dollar ballplayer randy? That is very sabermetric and cold blooded of you!

  106. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    “The smell of the leather, the feel of the ball in my hands. That’s baseball. Not this b.s.”

    bronx born-

    every now and then i put my hand in my mitt that sits on my desk. the feel that only that mitt has brings it all back.

  107. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    The Yanks have done nothing wrong, IMO, except Hank…………If he’s going to be opening his big mouth now, then that’s worrisome. I don’t mean just in these negotiations, but going forward. He’s an oaf who has absolutely no clue and now even his brother couldn’t get him to shut up.

  108. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    randy wants to cut Jeter’s salary by 70%!!!

    70%!

    Talk about disrespect :mad:

  109. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    So basically Jeter should get whatever he wants and the team be damned?

  110. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    lgy-

    the yankees are in a jam because of too many aging players.

    so give him a ten year contract.

    it’s not like he needs the money right now.

    it’s win /win.

    the yankees have room with a bloated payroll in the short term and jeter gets his money in the long run.

  111. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    If the Yankees sign Jeter for 10 years, we will be paying him until he is 47!

    Who is this guy, Bobby Bonilla?

    In 2021, I will be heading over to Cot’s contracts and see:

    The Corpse of Derek Jeter: $7 million.

  112. waka flocka November 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Betsy,

    It does make sense. Why the hell are the Yankees going to pay Jeter that much money when his performance doesn’t merit that? According to FanGraphs, his 2010 campaign was worth $9M. He earned $11M more than that!

    Since everyone loves to point out that he is the captain of the Yankees, how about he acts like it? Take less money so the Yankees can sign Lee. So the Yankees can make more FA moves in the future. Help the team that drafted you and gave you a shot to be a baseball star. But that is too much to ask right? It comes back to “well he is making more then me and that isn’t okay with me”.

  113. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    And your point Betsy?

  114. Carl November 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Love me some Hank.

    Tellin’ it like it is.

  115. Tar November 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    “So basically Jeter should get whatever he wants and the team be damned?’

    So basically Hank should get whatever he wants and Derek and Mariano be damned?

  116. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Pay Jeter the league minimum and give him a sub rosa promise that he will be allowed to buy into the team when he retires.

  117. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Randy,

    It does feel good – don’t it?

  118. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    “So basically Hank should get whatever he wants and Derek and Mariano be damned?”

    ————————

    Considering Derek is going to be 37 and just came off a 90 OPS+ season, I am pretty sure the Yankees would want to pay Derek a lot less than 3/45.

  119. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    “So basically Hank should get whatever he wants and Derek and Mariano be damned?”

    Hank gets whatever he wants because his father was born before him. Jeter and Rivera are irrelevant to that fact.

  120. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    lgy-

    all kidding aside, why not do a 10 year contract?

  121. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Betsy the Yankees have done everything wrong from a negotiating standpoint. It shows a tremendous lack of respect for someone who is arguably the face of the franchise. Negotiating contracts is my world and I would never in a million years deal with a revered and respected high profile employee the way they have. And no one I know would either. I am sure Close et a are furious and they have every right to be. Again, it is not about the financial aspects of the contract.

  122. RSM November 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Betsy,
    Even though I’m on the management side here, I have to agree with you about Hank. It’s NEVER in the Yankees best interests to let Hank OR Levine be seen or heard publicly!

    Cashman and Hal come across as intelligent and possibly calculated, but Levine and Hank just come across as a$$es evertime they open their mouths.

  123. BX33 November 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    “The Yankees have handled this as poorly as one can imagine. It’s not the money it’s the process. Negotiating publicly, constant public statements from Hal, Levine, Cashman and now Hank, leaks to the media. They are treating an icon who is on a par with Ruth, Gehrig, Dimggio and Mantle as if he is just another ballplayer. And again, I am not talking about what the offer is or isn’t, I am talking about the negotiating dynamics. They are an embarrassment.”

    They have botched this thing completely. They tried to justify their contract proposal to Jeter and took shot after shot at him in the process. They didn’t even leave the door open for negotiation when Cashman said “let him take this on the market”.

    As bad as what Hank said, that Cashman quote about the market has to be the ultimate insult to him. Basically, Cash is saying that he isin’t worth nearly as much as he thinks he is worth and that will manifest itself in the marketplace. So he should pipe down and accept the offer. Derek isin’t stupid.

  124. MTU November 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Tar-

    :)

    And now I’m really goin’ to bed.

  125. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    bronx born-

    it feels great.

    it’s good to remember that feeling.

  126. waka flocka November 23rd, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    WCYF,

    What have they done wrong? Be weary of offering him an insane contract that will handcuff the team in later years while Jeter sits back and demands way more money then he is worth?

  127. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Since the players make more than their bosses just give Jeter what Hank makes…..can’t be that much right.

  128. tbone1570 November 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    yanks 27 November 23rd, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    On Tuesday, Cashman acknowledged in a telephone interview that the Jeter situation was now taking away attention from other matters.

    “We would like to have him signed, in the fold, and concentrating on other aspects of the team,” Cashman said of Jeter. “Instead, we are concentrating on re-signing our shortstop.”
    ————————————————————————————————
    Cashman and the rest of the organization can only concentrate on one thing at a time?????? If so the everyone in the front office needs to be fired! Maybe if they spent less time whining in the press we would see progress on the ’11 Yankee team.

  129. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Hank owns the team………that makes no sense. He’s not a player, he’s not on the team, whatever he makes (not that he is paid by the team, obviously) has no effect on the on the field performance of his team. You just want to give Jeter 5 or 6 years at however much $$ (or, basically whatever he wants) – at the expense of the performance of this team? We already have issues with these unwieldy contracts………and it’s aging. What do you do with Jeter if he proves that he really is in decline? He’s going to get paid whether he’s good or not……..that’s going to hurt the team.

  130. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    “all kidding aside, why not do a 10 year contract?”

    $45m paid out over 10 years? Makes sense.

  131. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    mtu-

    isn’t it like 8:30 out there ?

  132. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    WC, we’re just not going to agree, so we’ll have to drop it.

  133. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    “all kidding aside, why not do a 10 year contract?”

    ————————

    randy,

    I don’t think either side would agree to that. Derek has no incentive to delay or spread out his payments to that degree.

    The Yankees can’t be tying up future payroll with what is essentially a sunk cost year after year like that.

    Derek wants to get paid and the Yankees want to pay Derek relative to what he is worth to them now. I don’t think either side would want a deal like that.

    This is putting aside the whole messy issue of when Jeter would retire during those 10 years.

  134. BronxBorn November 23rd, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Randy,

    I never got to play at the level you have, but I loved every bit of the game. There are very few things in the world that feel, smell, etc like a baseball glove. :)

  135. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    One more thing, I’m sorry WC, but Close’s comments are beyond stupid. Right – the Yankees should pay Jeter for what he’s apparently worth BEYOND what’s on the field. He’s baffled at 3/45? 3/45 is insulting? Please – I can’t take the guy seriously.

  136. MTU November 23rd, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    9:30. Mountain Time.

    Besides I need my beauty sleep.

    See you in the AM. This thing has the makings of a real sh*tstorm.

  137. ZMAN November 23rd, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    “Love me some Hank.

    Tellin’ it like it is.”

    I agree. And all he really did was explicitly translate what Cash, Hal, Levine, and the anonymous quotes have been saying these past few days – they are not going to pay Jeter for what he did – they already did that, they are paying him a baseball contract based on what he did last year and what they project him to do in the coming years as a 37 yr old SS.

    Was it a little rough? Sure. But he’s right. They have already alienated Jeter. This one comment won’t put it over the top. If anything will, it is Cashman’s comment about testing the market.

  138. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    RSM, I won’t get into Levine……..I don’t care about him. Hank is a co-owner of the team and if he keeps opening his mouth, he’s going to cause problems. He’s got no clue what’s going on. I’ve been fine with everything Cash has said, but Hank just sounds so ridiculous………….

  139. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    If they’ve aliented Jeter, it’s on Jeter………..3/45 is nothing to get insulted about.

  140. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Close set the negative tone of these negotiations with his ridiculous ‘baffling’ comments.

    If the Yankees didn’t respond strongly they would increasingly lose leverage and be allowing Close to set the tenor of this process.

    Right now the Yankees are firing back, with a fury. Close has been very quiet for a reason. There is not much he can say in response.

  141. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    bronx born-

    and no glove feels like the one that’s yours.

    there’s a whole lot of history in that feel you get.

    it really does take you back in time.

  142. Barry November 23rd, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan:

    You’ve got it. Not about money. And Hank isn’t the only classless member of The Yankee Front Office/Ownership axis, merely the most vulgar.

  143. TheStraw November 23rd, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Both sides have handled this negotiation horribly. Close was beyond stupid for making the baffling and Babe Ruth comments, and Cash has responded ala Michael Corleone in a colder fashion than many would like to see. The public standoff has no winner and makes no one look good. However, according to multiple sources, the Yankees have actually made at least one or more reasonable offers to Jeter. How this plays out is all on Jeter, despite the questionable PR stance the Yankees have taken.

  144. Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Tin Cup…….You and I are certainly in the minority on this…..It’ll be easy a year from now after Derek bounces back and is healthy and puts up his normal numbers and look back on this month and reread all these comments……

  145. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    “Both sides have handled this negotiation horribly. ”

    That is a ridiculous comment. The negotiation cannot be evaluated until the contract is signed.

  146. Yanks78 November 23rd, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    “This thing has the makings of a real sh*tstorm.”

    And it’s the Yankees own doing by taking their negotiation to the media.

    Think about it – guys like Wally Matthews, Jon Heyman, and Lupica are now apart of the negotiation, by the Yankees own doing. They want Jeter to know something – they tell the writers, it gets to Close, then Close responds through a writer.

    And of course, you will have guys like Carig who jump the gun and take a quote out of context that gets to Jeter that might not even be a real quote (and he might not even find out that it was a wrong quote).

    The two sides, especially the Yankees, said it would be a private negotiation, yet they have taken the negotiation to the media. They have no one else to blame for this.

  147. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    LGY, that’s right…………..entitlement, that’s what it is. Close feels Jeter is entitled to whatever he wants (and Close is speaking for Jeter).

    I don’t like Rob Neyer at all, but this is good:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweets.....odern-babe

    Jeter’s agent is just doing his job. In a few weeks, everyone will be looking back at this and laughing. Jeter’s agent knows that Jeter is merely a very talented man, and not some sort of god. Let alone Babe Ruth.

    Some of Jeter’s fans don’t seem to understand that Jeter’s human, though. And herein lies the paradox … Jeter’s fans believe he deserves as many dollars and years as he wants, because he’s all about team, ever the selfless warrior … but if he’s selfless, why should he need more than three years and $45 million on his next contract? Why would he want more?

    Because he’s human, after all (a point that Ken Davidoff recently made, and made very well thanks in part to a nifty little Paul O’Neill story).

    But how many years and dollars do you give a human 37-year-old shortstop coming off a so-so season? This human, maybe even more than three years and $45 million. But not much more. Not much more, at all.

  148. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    “Right now the Yankees are firing back, with a fury. Close has been very quiet for a reason. There is not much he can say in response.”

    why say anything when there’s a universal hand signal that expresses what jeter’s camp feels toward the yankee management’s ultimatum ?

  149. EA November 23rd, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    Didn’t someone here suggest that the Yankees and Jeter and his agents lock themselves in a room and figure out a contract?

    At this point, if they do that, they might strangle eachother.

  150. Tar November 23rd, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    “Why the hell are the Yankees going to pay Jeter that much money when his performance doesn’t merit that?”

    Is baseball a business?

    Has Hank and the Yankees made a ton of money on what Derek Jeter brings to the field and his brand over the last ten years?

    Has Derek helped make Hank “very very rich”.?

    Does Derek owe Hank anything monetarily?

    are we talking about the Yankee all time leading hit leader? First ballot HOF… Do I need to go on.

    I hope that answered your question.

    One last thing, if I had a say in where my spent Yankee dollars go, I much prefer Mo and Derek over Hank and Levine.

  151. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    I agree with BX33….the offer isn’t insulting or anything but the way they have handled this so far is messy and distasteful. If the Yankees truly want a deal then what to they hope to gain by taking these passive aggressive jabs through the media……I just don’t like it…..keep quite and get the deal done.

  152. stuart a November 23rd, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    sure it is not about money it is the big bad yankee owners mistreating el capitan.

    I will bet anyone on thsi site any amount of money the captain would not get $15 mill a year from any other team, period the end.

    so if that statement is accurate what is unfair about how they are treating derek? Derek has made over $225 mill already. Hanley makes $12 mill, j rol makes $8, they are offering this guy $15….

    The amazing thing is yankee fans think they have no budget and since the fat steinny was a moron on the arod and posada negotiations his smarter brother needs to be just as stupid………..

  153. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    “Has Derek helped make Hank “very very rich”.?”

    No.

  154. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Right Betsy, you call Close stupid, the guy who ran the baseball division at IMG and then went on to do the same at CAA. But you know better. Having an opinion on the contract terms is one thing, on the merits, but that is just ludicrous.

  155. TheStraw November 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Rich-

    I agree with you. What I meant by my comment is that the public tete-a-tete gong on in the press reflects badly on both sides. And believe me, I think it reflects far worse on Jeter/Close than on the Yankees. We’ll see what the actual contract brings. Or god forbid, the non contract.

  156. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Straw, what was wrong with Cash’s comments? I see nothing cold about them………..he’s the one in meetings with Jeter and Close and, as he’s said, they want more $$$, more years. Clearly Cash thinks they are being somewhat unreasonable…….and Close took his case such as it is to the media. Cash has made it plain that he wants Jeter back, that this is where he belongs, but he’s also the GM of a team that he wants to have success and continually paying out $$$ and years to players in decline is a sure way to have that success short-circuited.

  157. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    “.It’ll be easy a year from now after Derek bounces back and is healthy and puts up his normal numbers and look back on this month and reread all these comments……”

    pat m-

    not that we would remind them , would we ? :)

  158. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    WC, whatever – we disagree and I refuse to get into a war of words with you. Enough.

  159. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Blake has stated the case about as articulately as anyone could, far better than I have. “Passive aggressive jabs through the media”. There is no excuse for treating Derek Jeter that way.

  160. TheStraw November 23rd, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Compare and contrast with Paul O’Neill telling his agent to take less money in his final contract to make it look reasonable.

  161. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    Pat M, are we talking about 1 year? No, we’re talking about giving Jeter 3 or 4 years. I personally think Jeter will bounce back next year, but who’s to say that I am right? Who’s to say that he’s going to continue to bounce back for 3 or 4 years? Then what?

  162. EA November 23rd, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    “taking these passive aggressive jabs through the media”

    Great analysis – that is exactly what is going on.

    People kill Hank for his quote, at least he was direct. Look at the quotes from Levine and Cashman that are basically saying the same thing, yet dressed up nicer.

  163. TheStraw November 23rd, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Betsy-

    I think he should have stopped short of saying “test the market”. It was implied and didn’t need to be explcitly said.

  164. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    The Yankees did not offer an ultimatum at all………..but clearly they think Jeter’s proposal was unreasonable for a 37 year old. That’s their right.

  165. TheStraw November 23rd, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    WCYF-

    How is Derek treating the employer who gave him the chance to become what he is and who made him rich beyond his wildest dreams. He shouldn’t treat George’s memory that way.

  166. Tank November 23rd, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    I don’t know why people are worried about Jeter’s performance next year

    Bill James predicts him to hit .295 with a .360 OBP, 13 HRs, 101 runs, 68 RBIs
    CAIRO predicts him to hit .290 with a .360 OBP

    CHONE, when the numbers are released, will have similar numbers.

    He will be fine.

  167. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    “not that we would remind them , would we ? ”

    I’ll say it again. 2011 will be a decent year for Jeter, nothing great, but above league average by maybe 5%-10%.

    It’s 2012 and beyond that worry because he doesn’t hit enough to play any other position besides SS and his days at SS are dwindling.

  168. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Blake, I see nothing passive aggressive about Cash’s comments at all; he’s been very straightforward. Close whined to the media and Cash responded; I have no problem with that. Close is demanding more $$ and years than the Yankees are willing to give. Cash has basically said that – straightforward. Cash has also said that he thinks Jeter is the best SS for this team. Plain talk. He’s come right out and suggested that Jeter go test the markt. More plain talk. Now if that doesn’t tell you that the initial talks between the two sides were testy, I don’t know what will. The point is, none of this is passive-aggressive. It’s a response to Close’s comments and to what the Yankees believe are completely unreasonable demands. Perhaps if Close wasn’t so unreasonable, the Yankees might be more flexible.

  169. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Tank,

    What did those systems predict for him in 2010?

  170. EA November 23rd, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    “Straw, what was wrong with Cash’s comments?”

    Saying “test the market” is an insult. Basically saying “you think out offer is low, see how little other teams think of you” as reflected by the contract offers he will receive, none of which will be close to $15 mil AAV.

    That’s like asking an agent to make the first offer in a negotiation. Just a poor PR tactic.

  171. Tar November 23rd, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    “How is Derek treating the employer who gave him the chance to become what he is and who made him rich beyond his wildest dreams.”

    Derek Jeter was a high first round draft pick. If it wasn’t the Yankees it would have been somebody else. This notion that it was the Yankees that made Derek Jeter, is false.

    Again the Yankees have made more from Derek than they have paid to Derek. A lot more.

  172. TheStraw November 23rd, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    And Betsy, for the record, I agree with you regarding Cash’s position. But I think he chose his words a little angrily, not unlike how he treated Torre at the end after Torre called out the Yankees about Zimmer and others.

  173. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Betsy,

    The Yankees have decided for whatever reason to air this out in the public arena…..Close took exception to that and I can’t blame him. The Yankees could have kept this quite and negoiciated behind the scenes but have chosen not to do so (remember just last week they hired a pitching coach and nobody even knew he had been interviewed). Hal started this off before they even talked by suggesting it could get messy…..Cashman could just as easily decline to comment as he could suggest that Jeter test the market.

  174. TheStraw November 23rd, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Tar-

    His net worth would be about 75% less if he had played for any other team. And don’t get me wrong, I love Jeter the player and how he has played the game for so many years. But at the end of the day, the Yankees were the ones who signed his 190 million worth of paychecks. They deserve some respect.

  175. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Blake, Close started this whole thing with his comments; I don’t blame Cashman for taking exception to them. IMO, Hal’s comment wasn’t a big deal at all – the media blew it out of proportion.

  176. ZMAN November 23rd, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Cash wasn’t wrong in telling Jeter to test the market, it is just a reflection of how much disarray the negotiations are in right now. He is basically telling Jeter to get back to reality and stop pretending he is still a $20 million dollar SS when the market will dictate he is barely half that. Of course Jeter is going to be offended by that. He probably thinks his market value is irrelevant because of who he is and how he has more value to the Yankees than any other team. I’m sure he also sees how they paid A-Rod all that money and Burnett, Igawa, etc. yet they can’t find $5 mil extra for a guy like him who did so much for them, more than the other guys combined.

    Cash wasn’t wrong in making the comments, but he is delusional if he thinks Jeter won’t be extremely angered by it. I’m sure Jeter has a few choice words for Cash that he is too classy to say.

  177. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Straw, maybe so, but IMO he has the right to be angry. Close is speaking for Jeter and it’s beyond ludicrous for him to suggest that the Yankees don’t appreciate Jeter. Close basically said the Yankees offer was peanuts, nothing – that’s an insulting comment and I’m glad Cashman didn’t just keep quiet about that.

  178. Tar November 23rd, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    “They deserve some respect.”

    Straw

    Who has been more respectful of the Yankees and the Boss than Jeter?

    I don’t understand how you think he’s not showing respect.

  179. stuart a November 23rd, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    tar some business ideas for you.

    the yanks have invested more in there business then derek and take the risks to make or lose money, jeter does not. his salary is guaranteed.

    to argue over should the really really rich guys pay more so the really rich guy is not offended is idiotic.

    the 1 basic presmice is at $45 mill over 3 years jeter is significantly overpaid compared to what another employer would pay him, bottom line. the rest of the poor derek, disrespect bullsh-t is just junk.

    the steiinys are greedy bast-ards and so is derek, is that a big suprise to anyone???????

    they care about one thing at it is green, welcome to adult hood……

  180. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    “Derek Jeter was a high first round draft pick. If it wasn’t the Yankees it would have been somebody else. This notion that it was the Yankees that made Derek Jeter, is false.”

    The likelihood that he would have won more than one ring with any other team is very small. Winning rings is a large part of the public perception of who he is. Consequently, the Yankees did make the current version of Jeter.

    “Again the Yankees have made more from Derek than they have paid to Derek. A lot more.”

    I’m still waiting for some data to prove this assertion.

  181. vinny-b November 24th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    the Yankees are handling this negotiation perfectly.

    and Derek: please ‘shop’ that 3/45 offer. Pleeeeeeeease

  182. stuart a November 24th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    jeter should not be made with the offer if he was honest with himself.

    what happens is these people start believing there own bull sh-t and all the legion of groupies tell them the same bulls-it.

    jeter is not a dumb guy he knows hanle is better then him. he can reed a stat sheet, he knows $15 milkl is more then generous.

    he also can look at his birth certificate and knows baseball history, he knows what is fair, he is just lieing to himself…shocking………

  183. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Betsy, as much as you profess to being a Jeter fan you have supplied us with endless links to the contrary….You openly acknowledge your support for Brian Cashman and that’s fine, however please don’t insult my intelligence with this weak veil of support when it’s indeed the contrary……The Yankee Front Office has decided to play this in the media and although the may have trumped some support in the Tri-State area, most of the country is supporting Jeter simply because of this……You’re quick to post the few quotes that Casey Close has offered up in response to the barrage of media leaks by the front office……One thing that has not been mentioned here is the fact that Derek Jeter is one of the most well liked and respected ballplayer in the game by his peers, and be certain that they rae noticing how this is being played out……..A 25 % cut in salary is significant……I’ll say this one more time, the NY Yankees will try to undo this major PR blunder by simply doing what they should have done from the beginning, just extend his contract for 3 years with a club option on the 4th year….Randy, we’ll have the satisfaction of knowing what we know right now…..Then again as in the past, many here will fail to be accountable for all that they wrote here the past few weeks…….Just like with Hughes, Trexeria, Granderson and so forth……Bandwagoneers at it’s finest…..Shame SJ feels the need to stay away, his input is missed…….Loved your sharing the love affair with your mitt…..I had my on the other day as I gave lessons to some 10 year olds…..1971 Ralwlings HFG 1

  184. TheStraw November 24th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Tar-

    He needs to take their offer, and tell his agent to shut up. He needs to say all he cares about is getting back to the Series next year. That would be the respectful way for him to handle this. His silence is deafening right now.

  185. Jerzz November 24th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Why was Hal going on with Francessa, Kay, doing interviews with Wally Matthews, etc. at the winter meetings, talking about Jeter, when he vowed to keep the negotiations private?

    And he is telling everyone it is a business and he hopes Derek understands that and it “could” get messy, and stuff, for no reason.

    Hal set the tone for the negotiation by breaking the “privacy” code. You didn’t see Close giving interviews talking about what how he expected the negotiations to go before it started.

    And then after Hal, Levine came out. Then the anonymous quotes started, then Close commented, then Cashman angrily commented, now tonight Hank comments, and today a “friend” says negotiations are far apart. And tomorrow Close might respond, along with more anonymous quotes. And that is where we are. And it is the Yankees fault. They made 2 public comments (Hal and Levine) along with a bunch of leaks (remember that “tough guy” yankee exec who talked to Wally Matthews) before Close made a single comment.

    The reason this is where it is is because of the Yankees “baffling” need to take the negotiations through the media.

  186. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Pat M, you can think what you want……..I really don’t care to try and dissuade you from your point of you. I don’t need to prove what a Jeter fan I am…….I know how I feel about him. I love my team, though – I love my team more than any player.

  187. blake November 24th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Betsy,

    Close didn’t start anything….he responded to the comments and leaks that had already taken place. The Yankees brought the media into this….and im pretty sure that’s not how Jeter wants it. They need to stop playing games and sit down and figure it out…..if you want him back then just say so, don’t follow it up with…..well we have questions about his play and he can test the market etc etc….the public doesn’t need to be told that stuff, they don’t need the specifics on why they are making a certain offer……they can tell Jeter that stuff in private.

  188. Kelvin November 24th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    I’m glad people are speaking up.

    At the end of the day the Yankees will take care of Jeter, but it will be fair to both parties. Yankees don’t want a lopsided deal.

  189. West Coast Yankee Fan November 24th, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Some people just do not understand the dynamics of agent-client negotiations, what is respectful and professional – and what isn’t.

  190. stuart a November 24th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    i dare derek to go be the captain of say the A’s… See how that cache works for him… See if who he is the captain of matters…

    he can play for oakland get traded mid year for some prospects because the owner wants to save a few bucks and enjoy himself…..

    like the torre insult.. torre was not insulted by incentives on the contract before.. how did the 30% paycut work out for torre in LA…

    thse guys actually believe there own bull…..

    gardner makes $700k, is that fair. what is fairer jeter making $15 mill or gardner at $760k??? is Gardner more underpaid then Jeter overpaid???

  191. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    By the way, I know very well how respected Jeter is around the game – it’s something I’m very proud about. Weak support? Give me a break. Why don’t you read my posts – or have you and you’ve just decided to ignore the parts you wanted to ignore? I have repeatedly said, for weeks now, that I think Jeter will bounce back in 2011. I firmly believe that he will………I just do not know how long that bounce will continue. Now I know that’s not sufficient for you, but so be it.

  192. vinny-b November 24th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    stay the course, Cashman. Stay the course

  193. Ghost of Steinbrenner November 24th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    OK here goes. Who here think there is another team who would pay Jeter more than 15 mil a year AND longer than 3 years! Well? I’ll save you the post. NONE!
    Jeets, take the deal. play good and get an extension if you deserve it!

  194. Tar November 24th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    ‘the steiinys are greedy bast-ards and so is derek, is that a big suprise to anyone???????”

    OK I buy that. So why would anyone side with the Steins over Jeter? Tha’s what I don’t get

    “I’m still waiting for some data to prove this assertion.”

    rich

    How about applying some common sense. If that’s too difficult for you, google it.

    Goodnight all.

  195. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Blake, are you referring to Levine’s comments? I just did not think they were a big deal…………….and we just will have to disagree on Close.

    That said, at this point, without blaming anyone, I wish this would all go behind closed doors.

    More to the point, I hope Cash is not being too serious about not being able to concentrate on the rest of his team. These negotiations are going to take awhile, hush hush or not, and he’s got to take care of the rest of his team

  196. TheStraw November 24th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    WCYF-

    Some people don’t understand that employers are the ones who put up all the capital and take all the risk. This gives them the right to dictate terms of employment, especially when the employee is underperforming compared to his past work record. Save your workers of the world unite speech.

  197. vinny-b November 24th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    Pat M:

    tell us what other teams are going to pay Jeter 3/45, and maybe we’ll pay attention to your diatribe. The NYY front office has not disrespected anyone and are handling the Jeter negotiation sufficiently.

  198. Yank 97 November 24th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    When the Yankees want to keep something private, they do. To this day, no one knows a thing about Dave Eliand’s black eye or Burnett’s leave of absence or any of that.

    Yet with Jeter, the last 2 weeks have been nothing but on-the-record and anonymous quotes campaigning for their own side. That is obviously by the Yankees’ doing. Even though the negotiation was supposed to be private, they felt the need to turn it public, and turn it public early on in the process. Why? What has urged them to send all these messages to Jeter in the media?

    Close has nothing to do with this turning ugly. The Yankees do. When you put the negotiations in the hands of the media, of course it is going to get ugly. That was by the Yankees design. That’s why I wouldn’t even say Hank’s quote today was his own doing. The Yankees have shown us for some reason that they want to play hardball with Jeter and degrade him through the media. What has he done to deserve it? I have no idea.

    The tone of the negotiation was set with Hal doing the rounds.

  199. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    “rich

    How about applying some common sense. If that’s too difficult for you, google it.

    Goodnight all.”

    I have seen nothing that supports your contention.

  200. vinny-b November 24th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    “OK here goes. Who here think there is another team who would pay Jeter more than 15 mil a year AND longer than 3 years! Well? I’ll save you the post. NONE!”
    ——————————————————–

    yet people like ‘West Coast Fan’, ignore this point

  201. clownthrowindown November 24th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    So is it Derek Sprewell worried he can’t feed his family for $15M a year?

    Or is it Derek Torre the egomaniac who thinks he made the Yankees who they are and is somehow a victim now?

  202. blake November 24th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    In other news, the Jays did in fact offer arbitration to Scott Downs….so there goes that. (Though getting the pick for Javy may lessen the blow a bit if they we’re to sign him….something to consider). With that im off to bed…..

  203. BTX November 24th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    The only thing that can make the Yankees look bad, is if they cave in to Jeter and give him more money. They talked tough all day today about how great their offer is and how he should go on the market and see for himself. Well, if it is as good as you think, there is no need for you to up it. You have leverage for once, use it. Don’t bid against yourself.

    Most fans like the “hardline” they are taking with Jeter. That will go away if they increase their offer after insulting the guy.

  204. TheStraw November 24th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    Furthermore, MLB players are last people who should complain about how they are being treated by their employers with their guaranteed million dollar contracts and collective bargaining agreements. Maybe they should live a few days as employment-at-will employees like the other 90% of the population.

  205. vinny-b November 24th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    “The only thing that can make the Yankees look bad, is if they cave in to Jeter and give him more money. They talked tough all day today about how great their offer is and how he should go on the market and see for himself. Well, if it is as good as you think, there is no need for you to up it. You have leverage for once, use it. Don’t bid against yourself.

    Most fans like the “hardline” they are taking with Jeter. That will go away if they increase their offer after insulting the guy”
    —————————————————–

    + 1000 points

  206. RSM November 24th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Sorry, I fail to see how offering Jeter double his market value for more years than anyone else would is disrespecting him.
    I’d welcome my employer to disrespect me that way! Disrespect me all f-ing day!
    Would you guys prefer a more realistic offer of say 7 mil/yr for 2 years with kisses and flowers?

  207. jackamir November 24th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Betsy , You really make me laugh. Whenever I read the Blog it always seems like these posters take your statements and feel your not a Yankee fan and are not entitled to your opinion. Then you respond and take it personally. Can’t we have a peace treaty and allow freedom of speech. We have enough Trolls here without arguing amongst the real fans…….

  208. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Rich in NJ……What was the Clubs worth back in 1996 as compared to now…..Don’t you think Derek Jeter played just a little in that …….Blake, Yank 97, Jeeerz, Tar , rest assure that you’ll find comfort in knowing that Derek Jeter will be more than highly motivated to prove his worth……Vinny-b, are you a meat head ????

  209. Yank1 November 24th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    “The only thing that can make the Yankees look bad, is if they cave in to Jeter and give him more money. They talked tough all day today about how great their offer is and how he should go on the market and see for himself. Well, if it is as good as you think, there is no need for you to up it. You have leverage for once, use it. Don’t bid against yourself.

    Most fans like the “hardline” they are taking with Jeter. That will go away if they increase their offer after insulting the guy”

    Couldn’t agree more. There is absolutely no reason to raise the offer. Not to mention, next time Cashman tries to talk tough, agents will just laugh at him. You don’t insult a guy then offer him a pay raise.

  210. TheStraw November 24th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    Pat M-

    I hope that is exactly what he does. But first he has to accept some offer and put this crap to rest.

  211. RSM November 24th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    LOL!
    I’m praying for some disrespect!
    Got to get me some of that disrespect!

  212. LGY November 24th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    “Again the Yankees have made more from Derek than they have paid to Derek. A lot more.”

    ————————————–

    The Yankees have paid Derek Jeter I believe $215 million in his career.

    Derek has played for 16 seasons.

    For the Yankees to have made more from Derek they would have had to pull in about $13.5 million per year from him. And $13.5 million would just be the Yankees matching what they have paid him. Your contention is that he has made a lot more.

    That is a lot of money in revenue for a single player per season.

    I call baloney.

  213. RSM November 24th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Tell me I’m worthless and pay me double.

  214. West Coast Yankee Fan November 24th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    vinny-b November 24th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    “OK here goes. Who here think there is another team who would pay Jeter more than 15 mil a year AND longer than 3 years! Well? I’ll save you the post. NONE!”
    ——————————————————–

    yet people like ‘West Coast Fan’, ignore this point

    ******************

    You obviously can’t read. What did I say repeatedly above? That I am talking about the process, about how the Yankees management is handling this. NOT THE CONTRACT AMOUNT.

  215. vinny-b November 24th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Pat M:

    name the other teams that will pay Jeter 3/45. Everyone is still waiting for your answer.

  216. jackamir November 24th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    How much is enough. Jeter probably makes millions in sponsorships and endorsements. His name will earn him a nice paycheck for the rest of his life. Be a Man of integrity and take what is offered and count your blessings that you have been chosen to be a role model for all that is good about Professional Sports……..

  217. vinny-b November 24th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    “You obviously can’t read. What did I say repeatedly above? That I am talking about the process, about how the Yankees management is handling this. NOT THE CONTRACT AMOUNT”
    ———————————————

    actually, maybe you can’t read. Neither Cashman, Levine, Trost, Hal, or even Hank, have said anything disrespectful regarding Derek Jeter and this negotiation.

    but in the very unlikely event one of them has, please submit the quote as to enlighten us all. Thanks

  218. TheStraw November 24th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    WCYF-

    If you believe that, why hasn’t Close come back with a legitimate counteroffer rather than silence or, if rumors are to be believed, $20 per. They can put a quick end to this by putting out a legitimate counter the Yanks would accept. Like I said, their silence is deafening. They are just as guilty of poor handling in this situation as the Yankees.

  219. pat November 24th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Per Vince Gennaro, a sports economist who has been employed by a few ML teams, Derek’s value for 2011 is about $20M but that number may not trend positive beyond 2011.

    Gennaro’s formula is based on a players total value = performance value + marquee value.

    As players age, performance value decreases but imminent milestones can increase marquee value at a rate similiar to keep AAV high.

    Derek’s Marquee value is currently higher than his performance value which is what makes giving him a contract based on “being a baseball player” at this point in his career tricky.

    His marquee value is helped by the chase for 3000 hits (more valuable in pinstripes because of his Yankee longevity and no Yankee has done it while other teams have a member of that club already) and it even has a carry-over post playing days for future events like # being retired, Derek Jeter Day at Yankee Stadium, HOF induction, etc……

    The longer the contract the more the AAV dips below that current $20M because of performance value which would probably work out to something in the 2/$38M, or 3/$54 or 4/$60M ranges.

  220. Lost November 24th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Jeter:

    Close is playing his hand, as with any negotiation there is “poker” playing involved. Don’t be upset with Jeter, it’s business and they are only asking for the moon and stars because they can ask and should. I’m not going to let slip what Close expects but as you can imagine it’s way off target but I do believe it’s just part of their negotiations.

    Cash got frustrated and felt his best way to get this done was to reach out to the press. Not sure I like that move. Everybody still wants the deal done sooner than later. thoughts are that they’ll wind up at 3/50 plus bonuses.

    Mo:

    No real issue here at all. Mo himself is leaning towards a 1 year deal, but does expect a raise.

  221. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    vinny-b…..what other clubs will pay Derek is not really the point , his value to the Yankees far exceeds that of other clubs….Sabathia’s value to the Yanks was apparently more to them that other other clubs and so on…..Look at the big picture, you’ll be impressed with yourself if you do……

  222. LGY November 24th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Lets say we work the notion that Derek has made a lot more than what they have paid him. What is a lot more? 20%?

    20% more would mean the Yankees have made $258 million off Jeter. That would be $16.25 million per season.

    Color me skeptical.

  223. vinny-b November 24th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Mo should ask for 4 years.

    Jeter should ask for 1 year.

  224. jacksquat November 24th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 12:02 am
    Betsy, as much as you profess to being a Jeter fan you have supplied us with endless links to the contrary….You openly acknowledge your support for Brian Cashman and that’s fine, however please don’t insult my intelligence with this weak veil of support when it’s indeed the contrary……The Yankee Front Office has decided to play this in the media and although the may have trumped some support in the Tri-State area, most of the country is supporting Jeter simply because of this……You’re quick to post the few quotes that Casey Close has offered up in response to the barrage of media leaks by the front office……One thing that has not been mentioned here is the fact that Derek Jeter is one of the most well liked and respected ballplayer in the game by his peers, and be certain that they rae noticing how this is being played out……..A 25 % cut in salary is significant……I’ll say this one more time, the NY Yankees will try to undo this major PR blunder by simply doing what they should have done from the beginning, just extend his contract for 3 years with a club option on the 4th year….Randy, we’ll have the satisfaction of knowing what we know right now…..Then again as in the past, many here will fail to be accountable for all that they wrote here the past few weeks…….Just like with Hughes, Trexeria, Granderson and so forth……Bandwagoneers at it’s finest…..Shame SJ feels the need to stay away, his input is missed…….Loved your sharing the love affair with your mitt…..I had my on the other day as I gave lessons to some 10 year olds…..1971 Ralwlings HFG 1

    A team of older players performing under their contracts and in third or fourth place in the standings does not put butts in the seats. Baseball history has shown this many times, including the Yankees.

    *Winning* puts butts in the seats (with some exceptions to the rule, like the Cubs). In order to win you can’t be overpaying everybody out of “respect”. Players talk about respect but it’s just a bunch of bull. “Respect” is just code talk for wanting to get paid for your past performance. You get paid according to your projected performance, mostly.

    I’m not going to try to predict what the contract will end up being. I do know the 3/45 offer is more than fair.

    And some people on this blog are a little too smug, as if they are never wrong.

  225. LGY November 24th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Thanks for the info pat.

  226. G. Love November 24th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    The Yankees owe Jeter nothing. They surrounded him with some of the best teammates and best pitchers in baseball for a longer period of time than most teams can keep a core together financially.

    He didn’t win games by himself. He didn’t win titles by himself. He was part of a great team where EVERYONE had their moments. They owe him nothing extra. All they owe him is a chance to come back and prove that last season was an aberration. Short of that, the Yankees have paid him handsomely and surrounded him with some of the best players in the game.

    What they have reportedly offered him is a generous overpay for a player who is in the twilight of his career. He is not going to be playing SS at age 40 despite what your Jeter colored glasses may tell you.

    Guaranteeing his next 3 years at the highest salary for a middle infielder in the game is more than generous.

    He’s not bigger than the team.

    He didn’t build New Yankee Stadium all by himself like Torre thought he did.

    He was part of a great organization and a series of great teams that the owners spent top dollar on to keep together and add to when needed.

    I love Jeter, but if he seriously thinks the current offer is beneath him then he needs a reality check. Go solicit offers and see what someone else will pay you.

    Despite what the doomsday “Red Sox will sign him to stick it to the Yankees” fatalists may think, no one will offer him the current contract he’s been offered.

  227. TD213 November 24th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    It is ridiculous that they are trying to low ball the greatest Yankee since Lou Gerigh, after all the money he made for the franchise.

    There is no Yankee Billboard in Tokyo without #2….

  228. pat November 24th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Lets say we work the notion that Derek has made a lot more than what they have paid him. What is a lot more? 20%?

    Less. A percent of the luxury tax paid has to be applied against every players contract too.

  229. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Pat M.

    Sure a little, but Tar said:

    “Again the Yankees have made more from Derek than they have paid to Derek. A lot more.”

    I need to see it to believe it.

  230. Tyler November 24th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    They really are doing a fantastic job tarnishing Jeter. I know the guy didn’t have a very good year last year and if they don’t want to resign him that is the front offices decision but is it really necessary to drag him through the mud like this. All he’s ever done is represent the Yankees with class and dignity (and Academy Award winning acting against Tampa). He is a Yankee legend regardless of this contract situation. I never had respect for Hank to begin with but if I was Hal I would call him up right away and tell him to keep his stupid mouth shut. Absolutely classless. Do what you want about the contract but don’t pull this trash.

  231. Tyler November 24th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    I’m sure that the Yanks offer is the best offer on the market and that he probably will end up coming back but this whole process has been even worse than I thought it was going to be. Between some of the Yankees front office comments to Close being an idiot comparing Jeter to Babe Ruth( I mean seriously? Babe Ruth?) to Jeter not manning up and just getting this thing done, it has become a complete circus.

  232. Jackson November 24th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Lost says:

    “I’m not going to let slip what Close expects.”

    “Cash got frustrated and felt his best way to get this done was to reach out to the press.”

    Hmmm….

  233. G. Love November 24th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    What mud has he been dragged through? He’s been offered a bigger deal than any other team out there will give him?

    His agent called the Yankees tactics “baffling”.

    The Yankees have never said he’s not part of their plans. They offered him a deal to be the highest paid middle infielder in the game by several million dollars.

    What mud has he been dragged through? He has to take a pay cut from a deal negotiated in his prime? That’s considered “mud”?

    It’s not like it’s a 50% cut. It’s not like it’s a spring training invite.

  234. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    “They really are doing a fantastic job tarnishing Jeter.”

    Can you cite some specific examples, Tyler?

  235. Tyler November 24th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Taking a pay cut isn’t dragging him through the mud. It’s idiots like Hank going to the press and spitting out his nonsense. Keep this garbage internal and get the stupid deal done. No need to run around to espnnewyork and these other bogus sites. Just get it done and stop talking.

  236. West Coast Yankee Fan November 24th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    TheStraw November 24th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    WCYF-If you believe that, why hasn’t Close come back with a legitimate counteroffer rather than silence or, if rumors are to be believed, $20 per. They can put a quick end to this by putting out a legitimate counter the Yanks would accept. Like I said, their silence is deafening. They are just as guilty of poor handling in this situation as the Yankees.

    ************

    Close has made an offer. The reason you didn’t hear about it is that unlike Cashman, Close didn’t leak it to the press. Oh wait, Cashman did.

    “You can write that they have asked for more. More years and more money.” — Brian Cashman

  237. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    “Close has made an offer. The reason you didn’t hear about it is that unlike Cashman, Close didn’t leak it to the press. Oh wait, Cashman did.”

    This is not factual.

  238. West Coast Yankee Fan November 24th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Rich – this is Cashman’s quote.

    “You can write that they have asked for more. More years and more money.” — Brian Cashman

  239. TD213 November 24th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    “Can you cite some specific examples, Tyler?”

    Repeated quotes from Hal about how this is a business
    Levine saying it isin’t a licensing deal
    Cash telling him to go on the market
    Hank’s comments
    Cash sayong they have concerns about the fact that he is 36
    Levine saying this is different from 10 yrs ago
    Cash saying Jeter is holding up the offseason moves and thought he’d be done by now
    Cash saying this is a baseball negotiation

    etc.

    Really, the constant harping from Hal, Cash. and Levine about how this is a baseball negotiation, diminishing his value and not accounting for all the off-the-field value he brings, which cannot be discounted because it is half of who Jeter is. Hal forewarning everyone at the winter meetings that it could get messy and he hopes Jeter understands it will be a business decision etc.

  240. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    “You can write that they have asked for more. More years and more money.” — Brian Cashman

    Don’t you think we already knew that? I mean, we know they didn’t ask for less money and fewer years, otherwise, we’d have a deal.

  241. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    TD21

    What did you post that in any way tarnishes Jeter?

    It’s all obvious stuff.

  242. West Coast Yankee Fan November 24th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Rich don’t go off on a tangent. You said “that is not factual”. I posted Cashman’s own words to prove Close did indeed make an offer.

  243. TD213 November 24th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    “It’s all obvious stuff.”

    Obvious to us, not to Jeter.

  244. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan

    I said (or meant to say) that your assertions weren’t factual, not the Cashman quote.

  245. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Why is Casey Close getting drilled on the Babe Ruth reference ??? He didn’t compare Jeter’s baseball skills to # 3, he simply and accurately made the link because of their place in Yankee History and popularity as Yank……Hal did indeed shot the first salvo over the bow a few weeks ago and it’s taken on a life of it’s own……So much for these contract talks not getting nasty….It’s clear that Close’s strategy is frustrating the The Front Office…..They must have expected them to offer numbers first…….Now the Club has been playing a daily game in the local papers, pretty weak indeed…..

  246. West Coast Yankee Fan November 24th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Gotcha’ Rich. Sorry.

  247. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    TD213

    “Obvious to us, not to Jeter.”

    Jeter doesn’t know it’s a business?
    He doesn’t know that it’s not a licensing deal?
    He doesn’t understand market principles?
    He doesn’t realize that very few SS stay at SS and are productive after 36?
    He doesn’t realize that 36 isn’t the same as being 26?
    You think Jeter cares if it is holding up other moves? They’re still talking to Mo, Pettitte, Lee, and maybe others. They were able to decide who to offer arb to.
    Jeter doesn’t know that this is a baseball negotiation?

    I really don’t follow this line of reasoning.

  248. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    I will only think that the Yankees have handled this poorly if they end up changing their publicly stated position.

  249. Yank 97 November 24th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    “I will only think that the Yankees have handled this poorly if they end up changing their publicly stated position.”

    By increasing their offer unnecessarily, amid media pressure?

  250. West Coast Yankee Fan November 24th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    This is an example of the disrespectful public statements that Yankee management are making. It’s the tone, the arrogance. Treating an icon like Derek Jeter like this in public three weeks after the world series ended when it was supposed to be a private negotiation is classless and wrong.

    “As much as we want to keep everybody, we’ve already made these guys very, very rich, and I don’t feel we owe anybody anything monetarily. Some of these players are wealthier than their bosses.” — Hank Steinbrenner

    “We’ve encouraged him to test the market and see if there’s something he would prefer other than this. “If he can, fine. That’s the way it works.” — Brian Cashman

  251. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    What has happened is the Yankee Front Office has turned this into a public Arbitration hearing…..Close and Jeter are not falling for it and have elected to take the high road…..Why am I not surprised by this, it’s Derek Jeter’s MO…..He’s conducting himself in a very classy way……All of this was so unnecessary…..I think many of us can at least agree on this point…

  252. West Coast Yankee Fan November 24th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    Agree 100% Pat M.

  253. MDD2 November 24th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    I was told by my Yankee PR friend that many of the voicemail boxes at the stadium are now full. After the ticket office closed today, other phone lines were inundated with callers expressing their displeasure. I guess the sabermetric folks blog, comment, and tweet while fans who root for more than the laundry call. Regardless, a message was sent.

    Can’t just blame Hank here, though he thanks you for trying to save him some money. The leaks and hardball tactics are sanctioned by Hal, too. They’re all on the same page or Cashman and Levine would have been told to shut up from the beginning.

    Of all the people to make an example of, they choose Derek Jeter, the guy on the team I tell my grandkids about. Igawa was treated better. Shame on them.

  254. West Coast Yankee Fan November 24th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    Thanks everyone for the respectful discussion today. I’ve learned a lot from others perspectives. Good night.

  255. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    “By increasing their offer unnecessarily, amid media pressure?”

    Yeah, that would be stupid.

    They are willing to pay a guy who showed troubling signs that he may be league average or worse for the remainder of his career, $15m a year, after just paying him $189m .

    They should be sainted for their generosity.

  256. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:39 am

    Pat M

    “…..He’s conducting himself in a very classy way……All of this was so unnecessary…..I think many of us can at least agree on this point…”

    No. His agent started the public airing of grievances when he said that the Yankees’ strategy was “baffling,” when in fact it isn’t at all.

    Jeter is responsible for everything his agent says. If he didn’t like what his agent said, he would fire him.

    He hasn’t. So…

  257. pat November 24th, 2010 at 1:41 am

    “…..while fans who root for more than the laundry call. ”

    So when Jeter retires you’ll stop being a Yankee fan?

  258. stuart a November 24th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    the jeter fandom idol worship is unhelathy groupies.

    again $15 mill for 3 years is a $21 mill overpay.

    off the field value to the yanks is minimal, but huge to derek.. derek do some commercials with the A’s hat on or your new team the diamondbacks, see how that woirks out………….

    all the sports economists on this site.. laughable.. jeter is 36 and will be 37 in june, he is more apt to play like omar vizquel next year then hanley rAMIREZ and therefore he is worth about $8 mill a year on the open market….

    the yanks play to about 97% occupancy with the drive for 3000 hits or not.

  259. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    Rich in NJ….Maybe the Yankees should have offered Derek Jeter arbitration, however I’m certain the 15 mil they’re offering would be about 6-7 million short of what would have been awarded in Jeter’s favor…..Then again it would be a 1 year hit for them….

  260. waka flocka November 24th, 2010 at 1:47 am

    How is Jeter acting classy? By demanding more money and more years when everyone knows he isn’t worth it? Its not about trashing Jeter, its about reality: he is getting old and is not worth more than $15M. To be honest, hes barely worth $10-$12M at this point.

  261. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    Pat M

    Maybe Jeter could tell the Yankees: Given how I played in 2010, I deserve a paycut. So I will take a one year deal at a reduced salary and show you that it was not indicative of my ability going forward.

    It works both ways.

    And btw, if a player coming off a 90 OPS+ season doesn’t get a paycut in arbitration, the process needs to be scraped.

  262. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:50 am

    I’m out. GN.

  263. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Rich in NJ…..Makes you wonder why Cashman didn’t consider going the Arb route ??/

  264. Rich in NJ November 24th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    Because the arb process is a joke, Pat. It was one of George’s biggest pet peeves, and rightly so.

    I really have to sleep.

  265. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    Good night Rich, and yes George tried to convince his fellow owners that the Arb process would drive up salaries far more than free agency……

  266. Nick in SF November 24th, 2010 at 2:56 am

    “yeah, jerkface says he’s no good anymore. he doesn’t want him back”

    Why would randy l say such a false thing????

    Goodnight!

  267. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 3:00 am

    nICK IN sf….Allways a good thing when you pop in here ( although I wisn more often ), maybe you can find m so our evening and West Coast edition of the LoHud could begin once again……

  268. ron November 24th, 2010 at 3:20 am

    Yes jeter should get more than market value in years & dollars & the yankees should continue to treat their players different but there is a luxury tax limit & revenue sharing that hurts teams like the yankees.

    Jeter has been paid almost 190 million over the last 10 years plus the money before the 10 year contract & off the field money.
    How much would he have made with the rs,mets,pirates???

    Jeter is like elvis.No other team does that for jeter.

    If we sign lee we will have 4 players making almost 100 million dollars in 2014,lee,cc,arod,tex between the ages of 35-40 years old with years remaining still after that.

    I do have a problem with how the yankees are handling this though.
    Now jeter has been challenged to top the offer,nothing good can come of this,he comes back with his tail between his legs because i doubt the offer get’s beat.

    You just don’t do that to jeter,you just wait him out & keep your mouth shut for as long as it takes.

    MDD2:

    I agree with you 100 % about making an example out of jeter but only pertaining to what was said,not the contract offer.

  269. ron November 24th, 2010 at 3:31 am

    I think the yankees had most fans on their side,this hardline stance seems to have changed something.

    I have said it all along,the contract is fine,it is disrespecting jeter that bothers me.

    They said the one thing to him that i hoped they wouldn’t,go out & get a better offer & get back to us.

  270. Carl November 24th, 2010 at 3:45 am

    “Now jeter has been challenged to top the offer,nothing good can come of this,he comes back with his tail between his legs because i doubt the offer get’s beat.”

    Someone was watching Mike Francesa lol

  271. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 3:48 am

    RON……Just a PR nightmare for the Front Office……This was simply the most high profile negotiation maybe in baseball history if not all of sports……Bright lights shinning and the Hal & Company looking like Charlie Finley…….Not quite the Yankee aura and mystic…….Derek Jeter is the most popular and respected athlete in American Sports……Even the Patriots handled the Tom Brady renewal with dignity and class….

  272. Pat M. November 24th, 2010 at 4:22 am

    Hoping for Rebecca to visit us and share and voice her take on this subject…..Maybe Tricia and m return as well some day

  273. yanks61 November 24th, 2010 at 4:31 am

    Pat M. I disagree with your earlier statement regarding DJ having as big a place in Yankee history as Babe Ruth (1:21.) The Babe wasn’t just the biggest part of Yankee history, he’s the biggest and most important name in BB history. He almost singlehandedly brought BB back from the Black Sox WS scandal & he then went on to elevate baseball to new heights of popularity. He’s probably the most important figure in all of American sports and arguable the most significant athlete in world history. In an age long before the kind of mass communication that we have today, Ruth’s name was known worldwide. When the Japanese wanted to insult Americans during WWII, they would shout “to hell with Babe Ruth!” The Babe is an icon of almost immeasurable standing. That’s no insult to DJ, just a fact, IMHO.

    Lou Gehrig’s consecutive games record (at the time) and his famous speech are more iconic than anything DJ has done – and DJ has done some pretty wonderful things – but he’s not on the same level as Gehrig . Just my opinion again.

    When, in 1941, Joe D hit in 56 straight games, all of America followed the games day by day. Jeter has never had THAT kind of attention payed to him on a day by day basis. The Mick was the Golden Boy, “The Natural,” and a player of almost mythical proportions. Jeter is not at that level.

    All I’m trying to say (longwindedly) is that many of us are blinded by the fact that Jeter is here and now, has been a great player, one of the finest SS in history and the glare of his presence today tends to obscure the greater greatness of previous Yankees.

    I’ve been a Yankee fan since the early fifties. If I were to pick an all time Yankee All Star roster, my first pick would be the Babe, followed by Lou, Joe D. Mick, Yogi, Whitey, Lefty Gomez and then Jeet. That’s very select company, so I am in no way disparaging DJ. I just want to repeat that if we are completely objective about it, DJ does not have as important a place in Yankee history as the Babe – not even close. We’ll probably disagree, but I would bet that baseball historians would feel the same as I do if put to a vote.

  274. yanks61 November 24th, 2010 at 4:37 am

    By the way, Bronx Born (11:26), not to nitpick and I loved RFK, but he was not responsible for the quote; “it’s not whether you win or lose, it’s how you play the game” That was Grantland Rice, one of the all time greatest sportswriters.

  275. theREALkevin November 24th, 2010 at 5:24 am

    pretty easy to see what the Yankees are thinking. they know they are already offering Jeter more than he’s worth and almost certainly no other team will make him a better offer. Jeter is an icon in himself sure but bottom line this is a business. seeing as how they are already offering more than his market value, 3 years 45 million if true is more than fair, Jeter should realize that offer is justified for even an icon SS in his late 30s coming off his worst season ever. could he bounce back and hit .300 next season? sure, i don’t doubt that, but 15 mil per is more than fair. Jeter is pushing it.

  276. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2010 at 5:32 am

    Abritration eligible players and their status. Only Toronto has decided to not share their secrets on Downs and Frasor.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  277. Mike Ri November 24th, 2010 at 6:44 am

    I’m disappointed at the Yankees for how these negotiations are going so public.

    Seriously . .STOP going to the press and saying ” Go Test the Market ” STOP feeding the press what they want ( Basically an UGLY all out war between Jeter and the Yanks ) . I know Jeters Agent said a few things to the media as well. . However he’s a slime agent . . .thats his job. The Yankees should be above that. We are NOT the Red Sox .. If your upset with the Agent . .Call him up and tell him . Don’t say things on the radio or to newspaper reporters.

    Cashman , Hal and Hank.. Should know better .

    Bottom line …..Take care of things behind closed doors

  278. sunny615 November 24th, 2010 at 6:51 am

    Well, according to some reports, the Yankees went public with their “see if you can find a better offer elsewhere” after they got wind of Casey Close’s “I’m baffled” comment to the press. Apparently Cash is a little pissed at Casey. “I’m talking to the media because Casey is apparently ‘baffled’”… d’oh

    that said, I’m not of the sentimental variety so I don’t really think anyone should get paid for their past contributions, especially if it means hamstringing the Yankees in the future when they’ll have a bunch of over 35 yr olds half on the DL for various maladies. 3/45 is a very fair offer.

    Where’s SJ44? I haven’t seen him around much?

  279. Gary November 24th, 2010 at 6:53 am

    Just appaling to me, Jeter deserves better than what he is getting as far as comments. The old throw out the stinky fish and then try to prefume it with other comments. Someday hopefully they will figure out that Cashman isn’t the great baseball mind he pretends to be.

    Is all Mo and Derek have given is everything the Yanks have asked for. They are fan favorites, future Hall of Famers and true Yankees. At the end of their careers they don’t deserve this Cr*p. Watch the reaction if they do go elsewhere.

  280. sunny615 November 24th, 2010 at 6:58 am

    From Jason’s Grey AFL: Top Hitters report:

    The New York Yankees’ Austin Romine had similar problems with his receiving, although you have to like the throwing arm and power potential. Another problem is where he fits in the Yankees’ system right now, especially with other prospects coming up behind him.

    – snip –

    [Almost Yankee prospect] Adeiny Hechavarria of the Toronto Blue Jays was here for a few days before leaving with a hamstring injury. He has some offensive upside and is already a plus defender, but is still a project with his inside-out swing and aggressive approach.

  281. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 6:58 am

    There seems to be at least one point of common agreement on Jeter.

    That this thing should never have been tried in the press.

    If this were a jury trial a change of venue would be requested to restore some order.

    That’s just not possible here.

    The attribution of blame for who is responsible for starting it is another matter entirely and rests clearly on the Yankees shoulders IMO.

    It should never have happened that way.

    This is developing in an unecessary sh*tstorm as a result.

    If I were Jeter I WOULD shop that offer, and I would also hope I could match or exceed it so I could flip the Yankees the bird.

    The other thing I would consider is just retiring and walking off into the sunset with Minka. Not exactly a bad fate.

    One thing I wouldn’t do is capitulate.

    Who knows. Maybe that is exactly what the Yankees want ?

    Time will tell.

  282. sunny615 November 24th, 2010 at 6:59 am

    From Buster Olney’s Blog RE: Jeter “Yankees able to drive the Jeter talks”

    The first official brushback will be thrown today in the negotiations between the Yankees and Derek Jeter. The Yankees will have to decide whether to offer arbitration to their free agents, and they’re expected to do so with Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte.

    But they won’t offer arbitration to Jeter, sources say.

    The Yankees’ belief is that their current three-year, $45 million offer is fair, and that by offering arbitration to Jeter, they essentially would bail him out after a down year. Jeter might make $22-23 million through arbitration. The Yankees feel that in the past, Jeter has fairly negotiated from his standing in the marketplace — when he went to arbitration in 1999, when he negotiated a 10-year, $189 million deal in 2001. And now the Yankees feel these talks should reflect Jeter’s place in the market; they also believe that no other team would be willing to pay him what they have offered.

    Here’s one big factor working against Jeter in this negotiation: While the Yankees want him and are offering him above what his market value is, they operate in the knowledge that if Jeter doesn’t re-sign — if he actually walks away — then his departure would not be a mortal blow to their pennant hopes in 2011. If Jeter walked away in 2001, that would have been different; he was an exceptional player then.

    Now he is a good player, but far from irreplaceable.

  283. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:02 am

    If the Yankees let Jeter walk away over a few million bucks then they are even dumber than the backside of a jackass IMO.

    But hey, they do have to draw a line in the sand somewhere, right ?;)

  284. sunny615 November 24th, 2010 at 7:03 am

    I seriously doubt anyone would come close to matching the Yankees’ offer on Jeter. Icon or not. More than most GM’s operate by metrics nowadays and all metrics tell them at best, Jeter is an average SS, worth at most $8 mil per year. No GM would touch that 3/45 figure for Jeter. If this were Orlando Cabrera we were talking about, we’d all be laughing at his agents’ request for 5/100 or 6/120. But it’s Jeter. Intangibles and all. But it’s also 37 yr old Jeter who has – with the exception of 09 – been in decline for the past 4 years. Sorry, 3/45 is a darn good offer.

  285. Gary November 24th, 2010 at 7:05 am

    MTU alot of this I think is being driven by the Cliff Lee deal, who wants Lee if it ends up wrecking the ball club? I still think there is a good chance Lee in the end doesn’t become a Yankee and goes somewhere else

  286. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:06 am

    This negotiation has developed a serious case of warts.

    In fact, a case of leprosy would look better.

  287. sunny615 November 24th, 2010 at 7:09 am

    Is all Mo and Derek have given is everything the Yanks have asked for. They are fan favorites, future Hall of Famers and true Yankees. At the end of their careers they don’t deserve this Cr*p. Watch the reaction if they do go elsewhere.

    You’re kidding right? ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS LATER, yes, Jeter did all the Yankees asked for and got paid HANDSOMELY for it. So stop with the gushing. Sure he’s a fan fav or future HOF, but do you really want Jeter at SS at age 42 knowing that this would be a better team if there were someone younger and better playing there? Mo has been paid very very well too. They are great great players but they’ve been paid incredibly well for it as well.

  288. Gary November 24th, 2010 at 7:10 am

    Sunny, I don’t disagree with your analysis, Jeter is not the player he was. The problem is that it’s becoming a PR disaster. What a stupid positon for the Yanks to be in. They are chasing Lee and some other FA’s, but is all the public sees is this stupid foodfight with two of the players who have been their pillars of success.

  289. Mike Ri November 24th, 2010 at 7:10 am

    3 years for 45 million is a darn good initial offer .. However. .if Jeter is asking for 4 years -60 . million. ………….. Then just do it ! .

    We’ll have to pray to god we get at least 2 decent years out of 4.

  290. jacksquat November 24th, 2010 at 7:11 am

    Guys, it’s the Yankees, this stuff is not going to happen purely behind closed doors. With most big players on many teams it doesn’t. You always hear about what the team offers, then what the player is looking for, or vice versa. And Jeter’s side is not innocent here either, with them being “baffled” because of the 3/45 offer…

    This is pretty normal imo. They’ll work it out.

  291. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:11 am

    Gary-

    If there is one thing I firmly believe it is that Cliff lee will be wearing PS next season.

    I have never believed otherwise.

    He is a necessary linchpin for our future rotation.

    In what he is capable of doing he is a PERFECT fit. period. End of story.

    I was hoping for a 5 year deal but I am farily sure it will be a 6.

    If he helps the Yanks win a couple more rings it will be worth the money even if he slips a bit in the out years.

    That’s my take.

  292. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:12 am

    edit : “fairly” not farily. Walt Disney has nothin’ to do with it.

  293. sunny615 November 24th, 2010 at 7:12 am

    Buster’s thought on AL MVP

    Presumably, Josh Hamilton will win the AL MVP award. If I had had a vote, I would have picked Robinson Cano — who played about a month of games more than Hamilton and who was spectacular at the plate and was a shutdown defender at second base — but certainly couldn’t have quibbled with anyone who voted for Hamilton.

  294. Mike Ri November 24th, 2010 at 7:12 am

    I agree 100 percent with you Gary ! . . The Yankees should know better than to negotiate publicly ..

  295. upstate kate November 24th, 2010 at 7:12 am

    this negotiation can’t get done quick enough to suit me…this is the red sox way, to trash a player publicly, not the way for the Yankees to treat the face of the franchise

    enough of that…Happy Thanksgiving everyone :)

  296. Gary November 24th, 2010 at 7:13 am

    Sunny I guess management hasn’t been payed handsomely for the contribution that Jeter and Mo have made. All I’m saying buddy is it works both ways.

  297. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:13 am

    MTU

    “dumber than the backside of a jackass IMO.”

    ————————————————————————–

    I’m not sure I want to know why you are knowledgeable on this subject.

  298. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:14 am

    Mike-

    It is being done by DESIGN. That is another steaming turd in this developing pile of crap.

  299. Mike Ri November 24th, 2010 at 7:15 am

    MTU –

    LOL LOL ..

  300. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:16 am

    Maine-

    I was kicked by a mule when I was very young. You see the obvious result in the present.

    Besides which I have been told I resemble one.

    But the yankees front office bears the greatest resemblance IMO.

    ;)

  301. sunny615 November 24th, 2010 at 7:16 am

    True Gary, but according to several other reports, it was Casey’s dropping the “I’m baffled” comment on the Yankees’ negotiations that brought the onslaught of the Yankee press releases. It obviously ticked them off quite a bit. Not saying it was justified or right, but it’s ballooned out of control here.

    Players will see this as typical negotiations, but I can see Cash fuming over Close’s comments based solely on Cash’s normal preferences to keep all negotiations quiet (like his secret meeting to get Tex).

  302. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:17 am

    MTU

    Are you as sure that Lee will be a Yankee as you was Holliday?

  303. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:18 am

    Maine-

    Low blow.

    :(

  304. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:19 am

    MTU

    When you was kicked did you fall in apile of dung as well? :lol:

    I was wondering why you had knowledge of that is all.

  305. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:20 am

    Hey Maine. You’re the dairy farmer. ;)

  306. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:22 am

    MTU

    I just remember you being so sure of that last year.

    Maybe it was just you being a positive thinker to counteract some that aren’t on here.

    I guess you deserve the benefit of the doubt.

  307. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:23 am

    MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:20 am
    Hey Maine. You’re the dairy farmer.

    ————————————————-

    It’s former not present.

    Also I mostly flung it not fall in it. :lol:

  308. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:24 am

    Maine-

    That’s right. And I’ll continue to be. It’s the way I’m wired.

    As for the benefit of the doubt. I’m not into keepin’ score. ;)

  309. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Hey maine-

    If we were to count up the # of pairs of rubber boots we both own who do you think would come out on top ?

    :)

  310. Gary November 24th, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Giants are +7 against Jags, not sure about that one. With all the problems and injuries just hoping they can stratch out some wins until we get some players back.

  311. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:26 am

    MTU

    The popt is much needed today so keep it up.

    I tend to share that view with you.

  312. blake November 24th, 2010 at 7:26 am

    GB,

    Mlbtraderumors is saying that the Jays did offer Downs arbitration…..wonder if them.getting a pick for Javy could make them more likely to pursue him. Kudos for first mentioning the idea of offering Javy.

    MTU,

    I think 3/45 is a fair deal for Jeter and that anywhere between that and a frontloaded 4 year deal would be acceptable. The money they have offered is fine and in line with where they should end up……the problem I have is how they are taking this stuff through the press. That’s disrespectful….not the offer itself. They could just as easily hold a firm line on an offer in private. Apparently this is.the new way they do business……wine and dine and treat other free agents like gold but drag your own through the muddy press waters in an attempt to push them towards the deal they want. They did the same thing with Damon last year but I thought that was due to the Boras effect…….never imagined they’d go down this road with the captain…..unfortunate.

  313. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Blake-

    Bingo ! Give that Man a cigar. ;)

  314. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    MTU

    I’m not sure but it seems like I need to go get more in order to slog my way through here. :lol:

  315. upstate kate November 24th, 2010 at 7:30 am

    yeah, I agree Blake. I think the offer is fair, it is the way it is being presented. Why is it necessary to tell Jeet to test the market?

  316. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:30 am

    Maine-

    And a heavy duty Powerwasher. Industrial grade.

    :)

  317. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:32 am

    Kate-

    It’s all by design IMO. Intentional manipulation. Foul play. Undignified and should be below Yankee standards. Doesn’t seem to be though.

  318. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:33 am

    blake

    It’s hard to know who said what because of the hacks out there trying to get the scoop first or to sound like they have inside info.

    It’s hard for me to decide who actually did or said what because of that.

    Because of what Jeter has meant to the Yankees I find it hard to believe it has gotten as bad as some think.

  319. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Maine-

    IMO Hal set the tone.

  320. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Good morning kate.

    Have you selected your turkey and heading for the chopping block?

    Have a nice day tomorrow and enjoy the day.

    Of course you may need to stay away from here to enjoy the day. :lol:

  321. raymagnetic November 24th, 2010 at 7:38 am

    It’s quite funny how so many people are so concerned about the Yankees finances when clearly in recent history the Yankees themselves don’t seem to be too concerned about how much money they spend.

    They paid Roger Clemens a prorated salary of 28 million to pitch 99 barely above league average innings (lol).

    They paid Alex Rodriguez the highest contract EVER in the sport.

    They paid Mark Teixeira the highest contract EVER for a 1B.

    They paid CC Sabathia the highest contract EVER for a pitcher.

    Now they want to pay a 33 year old Cliff Lee 20+ million a year for 6 years.

    And oh yeah, they’ve had the highest payroll EVER in baseball for like the last 5/6 years (or longer)?

    Why again are people so concerned about the Yankees spending when the Yankees clearly aren’t concerned about their spending habits?

    The Yankees can talk all day about being fiscally responsible but the truth of the matter is they are a poorly run franchise who uses money to cover all of there shortcomings.

    Cashman talks about being fiscally responsible but 2 years ago he had to run to the owners to beg them to let him make Tex the highest paid 1B in the game.

    So I find it quite funny people are worried about how much money the Yankees will have for future endeavors when clearly the Yankees aren’t worried about their own futures.

    JMO

    I do still believe however that the contract with Jeter will get done and that it won’t be for the 3/45 that has been leaked to the press.

  322. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:36 am
    Maine-

    IMO Hal set the tone.

    ———————————————————–

    That’s exactly my point. Do we really know that?

    I agree they need to change the way they do bussiness but I’m not sure this is the one to do it to.

  323. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:40 am

    Ray-

    negotiations can get ugly in some instances but with Jeter ?

    Those negotiations should have been 100% righteous. Far from it so far.

  324. blake November 24th, 2010 at 7:40 am

    Maine,

    I guess you can look at it both ways. Reading quotes you can get one impression and hearing someone actually say the words you can get another by the tone. The Yankees should know that the media is dying to make this a shootout at the OK coral between Jeter and the Yankees….therefore I have to believe if they didn’t want a story made of it then they would give the press no ammo to run with. Hopefully the media attention will push both sides to a resolution soon.

  325. upstate kate November 24th, 2010 at 7:41 am

    MY
    my sister does the turkey. I am the pie girl…spent yesterday making 2 apple pies, one pumpkin and a double batch of choc chip cookies

  326. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:41 am

    Maine-

    He talked at the Winter meetings. Should have kept his mouth SHUT.

  327. raymagnetic November 24th, 2010 at 7:43 am

    MTU,

    I think this is the one time Cashman and the owners should have made sure that no details of the negotiations should have been leaked to anyone.

  328. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:43 am

    I meant GM meetings. sorry.

  329. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:43 am

    Ray-

    No sh*t !

  330. blake November 24th, 2010 at 7:44 am

    I love Thanksgiving. Pecan pie, fried Turkey, and Sweat Tea…….what could be better :)

  331. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:45 am

    kate

    Pie is good. :lo;

    Make mine a cherry please.

  332. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 7:46 am

    Here’s what I don’t understand MTU…………… there are so many things written in the press that the fans cry BS to, yet whatever it is the media writes about the Jeter negotiations it is considered bible. Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. I don’t know what to think, nor do I care. I read people reading the Yanks the riot act for what’s going on, hey, that’s their right. Me, I’m not going to raise my blood pressure one iota over something I have no control, nor do I care about. Would I like to see Jeter and Mo back, of course I would………. but I didn’t stop following the Yankees when they dumped Bernie or Tino or whoever, I’m certainly not going to stop following them now. Hey, who knows, maybe the blog will become respectable again if all the people who are livid with the Yanks stop following them if they let him walk.

  333. MorningPerson November 24th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Good morning, morning people.

    First order of business: Happy day before Thanksgiving. Lots of prep to do today. I’m actually looking forward to it. :)

    ***

    Like everyone else, I’ve had enough of this “negotiation.” I had hoped that the 3 years/$45 million was a first offer, that Jeter would present his “wants” and that the two would meet somewhere in the middle. That’s the way these things are supposed to happen. Seems to me both sides have gotten off-track, they’re both in defensive mode. I just hope they can take this holiday and see their way clear to getting back on track.

    ***

    blake -

    The difference is, Jeter is a free agent on the down side of his career – they wine and dine the free agents who are in their prime. The other difference is there are no other suitors to outdo. The other difference is they don’t have to sell the Yankees to Jeter – he know the Yankees already. Still, I don’t like any of this one bit. I have certainly been shown to be as naive as they come, thinking that this would get done quickly and that the Yankees had it under control. They don’t.

    ****

    One thing, though. This is the fallout you get when your stated mission is to Win the World Series every year and accept no less, and then you get the fan base to buy into that lock, stock and barrel. It means you can’t be sentimental. It means at some point you’re looking at legacy players who may or may not help you reach that goal, and who, if you pay them what their legacy says you should (no holds barred), then you may compromise your goal going forward. And Jeter is not being a team player here – the ultimate team guy, who has said he wants to own a team in the future, isn’t seeing this?

    It shows to go ya, it’s ALWAYS about the money, and it’s ALWAYS about #1 (in this case, Jeter for Jeter, the Yankees for the Yankees.

    The whole thing just makes me sad.

  334. raymagnetic November 24th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    I just wonder if when CC opts out next year it’s goodbye :???:

  335. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:48 am

    Blake-

    best part of Thanksgiving meal asisde from the time with Family are the leftovers.

    Get to much on them for days afterwards. Seem even better than the original meal.

    I’m getting to experience the real meaning of Thanksgiving this year.

    Taking in a bird with broken wings. Looking forward to it El Mucho.

    :)

  336. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:49 am

    MTU & blake

    I guess this where I get bogged down at times.

    I have no interest in all the posturing.

    Just play the game.

    I understand it isn’t that simple but that’s more where my interests are.

  337. Mike Ri November 24th, 2010 at 7:50 am

    I don’t think any really cares about the money or years per say. We all can live with another 3 or 4 years of Jeter.

    We just want the situation handled quickly , quietly , and with the up most respect ( on both sides ).

  338. Mike Ri November 24th, 2010 at 7:50 am

    *anyone

  339. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:51 am

    JCPD-

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just wish that when people inevitably disagree that they would be respectful of each other.

    That would improve this place 1000% IMO.

    I hope you have a joyous Thanksgiving with your Family.

    And a damn fine meal too ! :)

  340. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 7:52 am

    Couldn’t agree with you more Maine!!!!

  341. blake November 24th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    Morning,

    I don’t disagree with any of that and they should take a firm.stance of what they feel is fair….but they should do so privately IMO.

  342. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    JCPD

    I share your thoughts.

    I get sick of all the drama that is the media today.

    It spoils the enjoyment of the game for me.

    At times I avoid all media because it can get so over the top.

  343. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 7:54 am

    MTU, I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion…. but let’s face it, in today’s society, lack of respect runs rampant!!!

  344. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Maine-

    I bet their isn’t one single person who wouldn’t like to see this thing over and settled like yesterday.

    That seems certain.

    Well. I take that back. Maybe the Press. Sells a lot of papers, etc.

    Controversy works for them. Juicy. ;)

    Oh and I’m sorry, that’s more than 1 person.

    I hope you have a great Holiday.

  345. ron November 24th, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Carl November 24th, 2010 at 3:45 am
    “Now jeter has been challenged to top the offer,nothing good can come of this,he comes back with his tail between his legs because i doubt the offer get’s beat.”

    Someone was watching Mike Francesa lol

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You are right but it crossed my mind weeks ago,before i heard it on wfan yesterday.

  346. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Maine, I pretty much don’t read sports stories anymore. The only things I read as bible are the boxscores because I know they are fact.

  347. sunny615 November 24th, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Again, I don’t believe that it was the Yankees’ choice to go public with the negotiations – and that it was Close’s “I’m baffled” comment that initiated the public media releases… It’s unfortunate, but in the end, Jeter will be a Yankee, and the Yankees will overpay to keep him.

  348. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    JCPD-

    Yes. unfortunately. :(

  349. MorningPerson November 24th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    blake -

    I so agree with that. Never liked the public airing of laundry – dirty, clean or otherwise.

  350. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    With the way things are going, one wonders if Casey Close has been watching Scott Boras for too long.

  351. raymagnetic November 24th, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Sunny,

    Close said he was baffled by the Yankees negotiating the contract in public. That’s what I got from the article at least.

  352. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    JCPD-

    Sorry Bud. But I don’t think Close fired the first salvo.

    Besides. It’s his job to be an A-Hole. He gets paid to do that.

    What is the Yankee’s FO excuse ?

  353. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    MTU

    I’m sure I will have a good day tomorrow, my wife is a very good cook.

    I hope you have a good day and eat all you want.

    You just might need to do some extra hiking to make up for it. :lol:

  354. Nick in SF November 24th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    I’m not worried.

  355. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Well anyway. Why ruin a great Holiday with this BS ?

    Swithing gears. I’d like to wish all of you a joyous Holiday.

    I hope that the coming year brings you health, happiness and prosperity.

    The rest is just noise anyway.

    :)

  356. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:06 am

    No one has an excuse. Both of them just needed to leave the posturing in the board room or on the phone. Leave the media out of it. I’m just glad I’m not in the NY area so I have to be bombarded with stories everyday.

  357. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    Maine-

    I’m willing to sacrifice for such a good cause.

    :)

  358. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 7:56 am
    Maine, I pretty much don’t read sports stories anymore. The only things I read as bible are the boxscores because I know they are fact.

    ————————————————————————-

    Didn’t you know that the box score is very misleading. :lol:

    At least that’s what i think I’ve read once or twice here.

  359. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    The only noise I want to hear is “PLAY BALL”

  360. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Nick-

    Alfred E. Neuman ?

    Have a great Holiday.

    :)

  361. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Nick in SF November 24th, 2010 at 8:05 am
    I’m not worried
    ————————————————

    I think you should be.

    Your clock seems to be wrong.

    You aren’t supposed to be here this early.

  362. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    JCPD-

    Unfortunately, you have long wait. :(

  363. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Maine, I forgot, it doesn’t show the UZR in the boxscore, my bad.

  364. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:10 am

    MTU, well I always have Cooperstown to while away the time.

  365. OldYanksFan November 24th, 2010 at 8:11 am

    One of my favorite Political talk shows is ‘Morning Joe’, with Joe Scarborough. So I’m watching now, and in their very brief ‘Sports Review’, the subject is Derek Jeter. The panel, which includes Yankees fan Willie Geist, are unanimous in thinking Jeter is crazy. It’s pretty weird listening to Pat Buchanan weigh in, who also thinks Jeter needs to take the 3/$45m and run.

    One said the offer already includes a $5m/yr bonus for ‘Being Derek’. Another said the offer is twice his onfield worth.

    Something that hasn’t been discussed that much is what Jeter is doing to HIS own ‘Brand’. As one of the panelist pointed out, Jeter has a Brand and career far past the extra year or 2 he wants as a Yankee, and that if he jumps to another team, he will seriously hurt his future.

    I spend an unhealthy amount of time on Yankee Blogs. Last year, quite a few, if not the majority, were in the ‘GIVE HIM WHATEVER HE WANTS!’ club. Now, one year later, the majority of comments I read feel that the Yankees offer is VERY fair, and that Jeter is screwing up. The number of ‘Let Jeter Walk’ opinions is growing daily. There is even blasphemous talk that the Yankees are BETTER letting Jeter walk and using the $45-$50m savings elsewhere.

    It’s quite stunning how fast things have turned around.

    I think the bottom line here is Jeter’s ego and his issues with ARod. I believe ‘ARod’s contract’ is driving Jeter’s boat, and that he is so consumed with it, that he is not seeing straight.

    When Jeter resigns (for 3/$50m) all of this will be forgotten. But in the meanwhile, Jeter is losing a lot of respect. And while I highly doubt it will happen, if for some bizarre reason he doesn’t re-up as a Yankee, he is going to destroy his legacy…. which whether he will admit it ir not, is built as much on the fact that he is a NEW YORK YANKEE, as he is Derek Jeter.

  366. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:11 am

    JCPD-

    I’m toying with the idea of upgrading my camera.

    Maybe it would help me get some better shots.

  367. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Bravo , OldYanksFan

  368. sunny615 November 24th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    ray – my take was that Close was baffled by the Yankee’s negotiating tactics… that Jeter was iconic and the Yanks should just drop a blank check on his doorstep.

  369. Yankee Trader November 24th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Good morning and Happy Turkey Day.

    “I’m not a marketer; I’m a baseball general manager,” Cashman said. “I’m trying to put the best team on the field I possibly can. I don’t sign players for anything other than my effort to win as many games as possible.

    If Cashman has budget restraints imposed by the owners, as he was quoted above, he’s trying to make the Yankees a contending team again within their set boundaries. That’s his job.

    If the Marlins need to free up more payroll to ink Vazquez, maybe the Yankees can grab leo Nunez as set-up RP.

  370. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    MTU, just ordered a new camera, beat you to the punch. Now I can get some good shots of the 2 foot snowstorms I’m expecting!!!

  371. Nick in SF November 24th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    I’m an east coast morning person now. In a rental car. See ya!

  372. OldYanksFan November 24th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Barry November 23rd, 2010 at 9:59 pm
    “Based on prior history, not between Jeter and the team, but Torre, Williams, I do not expect this to work out.”
    ———————————————-
    Not to worry dude. The reality is that Jeter really has NO other options. Yes, he can go to another team for LESS money…. but think of what that will do to Jeter’s legacy. This guy is the Golden Goose, but leaving the Yankees and their reasonable offer will be seen as shallow, stupid and most important of all… spiteful.

    Ever hear the expression: “Cut off his nose to spite his face”?
    With an offer of 3/$45m, which will NOT be matched by ANY OTHER TEAM, Jeter has only one option that will continue his legacy.

    If he jumps ship, he will get so much bad press, it will make ARod look like a virgin.

  373. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    JCPD-

    New job. New Camera. New ?

    Looks like you cleared the rut just like I said you would.

    What kind did order ?

    Even IF I get a new camera it probably won’t help me take better photos. I’m just kidding myself.

    :)

  374. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    GLove, better tone it down or you will be accused of disliking Jeter………….

  375. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    GLove, I agree with both posts 100%………..

  376. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Hal didn’t say anything that was a big deal – what, that it could get messy? That this is a business? Those comments were overblown by the media and they got the fan base in a tizzy.

  377. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    JCPD

    I hope that your pitcures are the only 2 foot snowstorms I see this year. :lol:

    I won’t be offended if you keep them to yourself.

  378. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    MTU, then let him do that……..the Yankees will move on. Yeah, they offered him 3/45 and that’s just so insulting. Just give the man whatever he wants to and who cares about the effect on the team.

  379. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    MTU, I probably should have waited, but what the heck……….. it’s a Kodak Z981. Been shooting Kodak for about 5 years now.

  380. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Maine-

    I’d invite you out here to warm up but I know you think it’s just a desert so you wouldn’t want to come.

    :)

  381. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Maine, sharing is in my nature, so you’re stuck, whereas I’ll be STUCK!!! :-)

  382. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Kate, please point out exactly how the Yankees have trashed Jeter? Cash said that there is only one SS for the Yankees and that’s Jeter – the Yankees just want to pay Jeter for his performance and/or expected performance. He’s 37 – and they offered him 3/45. That’s trashing him?

  383. Nick in SF November 24th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    They gave me a car with Mass. plates! :mad:

  384. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    JCPD-

    Specs ?

    I’m thinking of the Panasonic FZ40. Great for what I want to do.

    25x zoom, 14 MP. Great image quality. reasonable price. Not too bulky. Few compromises.

    And no, I do not work for panasonic.

    :)

  385. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Blake, how exactly did they trash or mistreat Damon last year? They didn’t……..I don’t think they are mistreating Jeter either, but I guess we’ll have to disagree on that one.

  386. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Nick-

    Turn it back in immediately. Hurry before they run out of cars.

  387. Erin November 24th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    SI_JonHeyman i feel like a yo-yo but i want to get it right. i heard right the 1st time. expect #yankees to improve the $45 mil for 3 bid

  388. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Why ? Because Casey Close whined like a 5 year old…….seriously. He expects the Yankees to pay Jeter for more than his performance is worth or will be worth? That’s ridiculous………he insulted the Yankees offer in the press, so Cash responded. Good.

  389. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    MTU…………. 14MP, 26x optical, 5x digital zoom, 26mm wide angle, 3″ display, 720p HD video

  390. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    MTU

    And no, I do not work for panasonic

    ———————————————————-

    Don’t worry. No here would believe you actually work. :lol:

    That would interfere with your hiking.

  391. Betsy November 24th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    The Yankees are poorly run?

    I don’t get how the statement that Cash had to go to ownership to pay Tex reflects that at all. They needed him. As to $$ covering their mistakes, like the Sox or other big $$ franchises don’t do that? Maybe had George allowed Cash to run things before 2005 it would be better. Cash has to throw $$$ to cover the mistakes because George allowed the farm system to become a wasteland

  392. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    JCPD-

    Sounds like it should be golden in your capable hands.

    Best of luck with it.

    Unfortunately, you have to practice in Syracuse. :(

  393. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Can’t have everything MTU. Better pastures are down the road.

  394. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Maine-

    :)

    I’m just trying to make room for others in this weak economy. Doin’ my part.

    I really love workin’.

  395. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    JCPD-

    Absolutely. The worm has turned.

    :)

  396. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    MTU

    I really love workin’.

    ————————————————————————-

    Just grab a sledgehammer and start breaking up rocks.

    That would keep you busy for a looooooooong time. :lol:

  397. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Maine-

    We need to get back to the “Wildlife alerts”.

    I miss those.

  398. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Maine-

    Just call me “Cool Hand Luke”. “I’m shakin’ it boss. I’m shakin’ it. ”

    :)

  399. MorningPerson November 24th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Betsy -

    I agree. I don’t see how telling a player, basically, to “get real” is trashing them. This is what Cash is saying – we are making you an offer that is more than fair and more than you’ll get anywhere else. If you can find more, that’s your right to try, don’t take our word for it. They haven’t demeaned him. They have demeaned the process, not that Close helped matters any.

    It is one thing to have to outbid other teams. The Yankees shouldn’t also have to outbid themselves.

    Much as I disagree with how this is playing out; much how I believe the Jeter negotiations should have followed at least a little different script, I can’t fault the Yankees for that stance.

    And thinking back, I don’t think the Red Sox trashed Johnny Damon either. They said they didn’t think he could get more (specifically years) on the open market. They were wrong and he did, but they weren’t offering to overpay him in the first place. So, they were stupid, but they didn’t trash him.

  400. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    MTU

    It’s hunting season here so Bambi is a bit scarce right now.

    I’m sure others are busy getting ready for winter.

  401. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Maine-

    You can break rocks all day long when you have “Lucille” to watch. ;)

  402. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Good morning all. Very slow Hot Stove season.

    Haven’t heard anything on how the Jeter contract talks are going, I wonder if they got started yet. Anything on what Mo wants, wonder if he’s coming back.

    Oh well, when there’s some news, I guess I’ll read about it here.

  403. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    MTU

    Rocky is busy getting his nest ready and gathering nuts.

    I’m not sure about Bullwinkle, haven’t seen much of him lately.

  404. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Maine-

    Stay alert. I would like to hear more.

    Snow Fox. Snow leopards. The Yeti.

    Please keep an eye out, or maybe two.

  405. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Morning Al.

    :)

  406. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Big Al

    It’s kinda hard to find any news when you have to slog through the muck to find it.

  407. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    MTU -

    Good morning, how’s things out your way?

  408. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Al-

    Early cold snap. To freakin’ cold.

    I should go up to Maine just to warm up.

  409. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    edit: “too”. Duh.

  410. sunny615 November 24th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Jeter will get his contract… as will Mo. Unlike Jeter’s agent – who tried to raise the stakes in the press, Mo’s agent seems content to negotiate in private.

    Cash is all about stealth mode (Tex, Damon, CC, Wood, etc) – so I’m pretty certain this media blitz isn’t his idea. But I see now that if it’s dirty pool that gets this thing moving, then it’s dirty pool they’ll play. But I have little doubt it’ll end with everything as it should be.

  411. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    MaineYankee -

    I can’t read through this garbage any longer. Sometimes you feel like you’ve fallin into a cess pool with all this crap floating around.

  412. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    MTU

    If I see them from my window as I stay warm from the woodstove I’ll let you know.

  413. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Morning AL

  414. brutus November 24th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    My prayer is that Jeter signs has his best year ever in 2011 and on opening day 2012 hits a HR on his first at-bat and retires immediately as he touches home plate. Wouldn’t that be fiting.

  415. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    MTU -

    It was 75 here yesterday, but today they say highs only upper 50′s, and back to mid 60′s by Monday. Crazy time of year weather wise. Leaves are starting to fall.

  416. MorningPerson November 24th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    If Jeter doesn’t sign with the Yankees, it will be a distraction all year. At least for the fans, anyway. Every broadcast, every lineup without him in it. Oy, can you imagine Michael Kay???? Oy.

  417. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    JCPD -

    Morning Jim, all packed and ready to go.

  418. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Big Al

    I’ve had to stay away at times in order to keep my sanity.

    An opinion can turn into fact in a hurry here.

  419. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Leaves Al? Heck, they been gone for a month!!!!

  420. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    MP -

    That’s when you pick up the remote and hit MUTE!

  421. Erin November 24th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    sunny-great post @ 8:53. Totally agree.

  422. JCPD November 24th, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Somewhat packed, it was hard to pack before I knew where I was going. Now I’m in Jersey for the holiday so when I get back on Friday I’ll finish. Tuesday is my report day.

  423. Erin November 24th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    New Post: Nothing personal between Jeter and the Yankees

    :arrow:

  424. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    JCPD -

    Falling here, but already gone in the mountains. We took a ride along the Blue Ridge Parkway a month ago thinking we’d get some nice fall pictures, they were down already. Next year I’ll go the last week of September.

  425. pat November 24th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    I like full audio of quotes. Let’s you hear context and not someone elses interpretations of what was said.

    When the quote in question is being interpretted by Mike Lupica, I like audio even more.

    I heard Hal Steinbrenner on the Michael Kay Show where the “messy” quote originated. What was said and how it was interpretted were 2 different stories. “Messy” was Michael Kay’s word in a question not a word Hal used unsolicited.

    Cashman seems to have taken offense to the word ‘baffled” but there is not clear indication from how the quote was reported of whether Close is “baffled” by the Yankees publicly commenting that Jeter’s contract will be handled as a baseball contract or baffled by the idea that the Yankees don’t want to treat Derek as if he was Babe Ruth.

    Sprinkled into all the reports we are hearing are behind the scenes conversations that we as fans have no idea about.

    Let the people with sharp pencils and erasers do the negotiating and do what fans should do best- cheer them on instead of ripping them apart. We boo too much already in NY. :sad:

  426. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Erin-

    I thought you said, “New” post.

    :)

  427. MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 8:57 am
    MP -

    That’s when you pick up the remote and hit MUTE!

    ————————————————————

    That’s not something new.

    I’ts becoming to much about the talking heads than about the game.

  428. randy l. November 24th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    “I’m not a marketer; I’m a baseball general manager,” Cashman said. “I’m trying to put the best team on the field I possibly can. I don’t sign players for anything other than my effort to win as many games as possible.”

    then brian, why don’t you put the yankees in masks and never mention their names. just go by numbers. on all yankee promos, use no player’s name on any advertising.

    let’s see, when i think back on the yankees winning all those championships when i was a kid in the fifties, i think only of the winning. i know all the team winning stats , but i can’t remember a single player. and that’s because i didn’t get up and check on a certain center fielder’s box score before anything else i did, as i ate my cheerios with mounds of white sugar.

    no one else cared about that yankee center fielder either. all us kids just cared about winning. we could have cared less how they did it as long as they did it. we never paid a bit of attention to any one player.

    everyone knew that individuals didn’t matter. we were all good little commies rooting for the collective.

    sure brian, it’s only about the winning.

  429. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    I think both Jeter and the Yankees would best serve their own positions best by agreeing to sit down behind closed doors, and hammer this contract out face to face, and agree to no more negotiations through the press.

    After all is said and done, one would hope this does not help destroy either side, they both stand to lose if this continues as is.

  430. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Al-

    Hope the seas are continuing to calm.

    I’ll see you and raise you one.

    Just kidding.

    I would keep an eye out though.

    Still trying to decide if I want to hike today. Brrrrrrr !

    :)

  431. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    randy -

    It was all about The Mick, and who was the best CF in NY, oh how I remember those days.

  432. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Randy-

    You are a Dinosaur. Get with it.

    I’m in the same small minority as you.

    :)

  433. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    MTU -

    Just because all your neighbors keep telling you to , Take a hike, don’t mean you have to do it every day.

  434. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Al-

    And people here too. So maybe I’ll just take their advice.

    Cold temps are definitely a deterent. Lucky if we see 30 today.
    Wind chill makes it even colder.

  435. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    MTU -

    Are you sure your not in the NE? That’s too cold.

  436. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Al-

    Cold snap. We get a couple every season. This one’s a little early.

    Global cooling.

    :)

  437. BornInTheBronxUSA November 24th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Hey Hank, look around. We made you rich(er) too. Wake up, it’s not the money. It’s never the money for the Yankees. And please, don’t compare Damon to Jeter. We loved Johnny but he was never Jeter. As a fan I never like reading about salaries and all the nonsense that goes with it especially on a work day. The fact is no athlete gets what they are really worth but then what seat is worth $2500? To say that you made these guys rich just doesn’t sound right from a team that sells its dirt. You are embarrassing us with the trivialization of what Jeter has meant to this team and to the fans. You make us feel that getting emotional about our team and our players is really a dumb thing for an adult to do. Maybe that is the real lesson for all of us. If Hal, Hank, and Brian don’t care, why should I?

  438. MTU November 24th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Al-

    Gonna go. Sore ribs and all. Catch you later.

    :)

  439. BIG AL November 24th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Oh yeh, I remember noe, Al Gore said it’ll get colder, before it gets hotter, right?

    Got to go, the mops have an appointment at the beauty palor.

  440. randy l. November 24th, 2010 at 9:44 am

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    damn right.

    we did not simply root for the laundry.

    the large majority of today’s fans do not either.

    if a kid is going to be a fan for life, he needs a mantle or a derek jeter to grow up with and idolize.

    that’s what grows a fan for life.

    a new generation is coming . montero may be the next mantle or jeter. is cashman not going to market montero to this new generation to grow the yankee brand?

    if not isn’t it time to find a gm who understands marketing and growing a brand?

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    I can’t believe what is transpiring and I also can’t believe some of the comments I’m reading. A bunch of trust fund kids are running the Yankees with no respect or regard for the traditions that make them more than a ballclub. Jeter has exemplified professionalism and winning more than any modern day athlete and he has represented the Yankees with class since day 1. It’s nice to read how appreciated that has been after having one off year.

    Hank without his father’s name is just a fat loud-mouth with ill-fitting blazers.

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