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New direction for Pettitte?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 23, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last we heard, Andy Pettitte was leaning toward retirement.

Now Ken Davidoff cites an industry source who tells him Pettitte has started leaning the other way, toward rejoining the Yankees for one last season.

The Winter Meetings are two weeks away. My guess — and it’s absolutely a guess — is that’s the earliest we’ll know Pettitte’s final decision.

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353 Responses to “New direction for Pettitte?”

  1. ac1 November 23rd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    We will see if management actually negotiates and agrees to a 4 year deal. If not, then this was just a take it or leave it first and final offer and ultimatum. Under those circumstances, leaving Jeter no room to save face, I hope he walks. Derek Jeter deserves better.

    __

    really? Yankees have been great to Jeter over the years. 15 AAV is very fair also. Sorry but very few will feel sorry for Jeter here.

  2. Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    If this is true, it’s very good to hear. :)

  3. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    “… 1 Yr ($2.5M) respectively!”

    Typo?

  4. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Whatever else happens, seeing Pettitte take one final ride on the merry-go-round has a comforting sound. It gives the kids just a bit more time to fine tune things.

  5. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Andy was down in the DR doing missionary work last week so he’s already sick of hanging around the family. :wink:

  6. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    “We’ll see Erin. Cashman saying go ahead and test the waters etc. And if you find better go for it. Sounds like an ultimatum like position to me.”

    No, it’s advice. Cash wants Jeter to realize that his best offer is with the Yankees. I don’t care how much BOS or the Mutts would like to hurt us by signing Jeter…no team is giving him more than 3/45M. If they do, they are fools. What Jeter should do is go back to Cash and ask for the 3/60 I’ve been talking about. I don’t think the Yankees are going to do that 4th year. If they were, they would have done it by now [since they know that's what he wants].

  7. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Ac1 – that’s clearly the consensus here.

  8. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    “In this case, Jeter would be walking into a polo match with a squash racquet. ”

    :lol:

  9. Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    pat November 23rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm
    Andy was down in the DR doing missionary work last week so he?s already sick of hanging around the family

    **************************

    :lol:

  10. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    I wouldn’t blame Jeter if he walks.

  11. Chip November 23rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    AL -

    If that happened…(as described on the last thread)

    Yankee lineup would be:

    Drew
    Crawford
    Tex
    Alex
    Cano
    Swisher
    Posada
    Granderson
    Montero

    I could live with that and I’m sure most Yankee fans could too.

    Especially with a rotation of:
    CC, Lee, Hughes, Andy, AJ

    Only problem is that Drew isn’t a leadoff hitter and Crawford doesn’t want to be a leadoff hitter so that might be a little dicey.

    If the Yankees didn’t want Drew they could also look at a stop gap solution like dealing for the Dodgers’ Raf Furcal.

  12. jonathan p November 23rd, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Cashman Encourages Jeter To Test The Market
    By Tim Dierkes [November 23 at 2:41pm CST]
    The game of chicken between the Yankees and Derek Jeter continued today, with GM Brian Cashman making the latest move. Cashman told ESPN’s Wallace Matthews:

    “We understand his contributions to the franchise and our offer has taken them into account. We’ve encouraged him to test the market and see if there’s something he would prefer other than this. If he can, fine. That’s the way it works.”

    On Sunday, Jeter’s agent Casey Close told Mike Lupica of the New York Daily News, “The Yankees’ negotiating strategy remains baffling. They continue to argue their points in the press and refuse to acknowledge Derek’s total contribution to their franchise.” To that, Cashman responded:

    “I certainly was surprised. There’s nothing baffling about our position. We have actually gone directly face to face with Casey and Derek and been very honest and direct. They know exactly where we sit.”

    Matthews reports the Yankees’ offer to be three years and $45MM. Cashman wouldn’t confirm that, but did say, “You can write that they have asked for more. More years and more money.” Matthews says the Yankees informed Close Monday that they will not be offering arbitration to Jeter. If Jeter does somehow land with another club, he will not come with a draft pick cost.

  13. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    I agree! What I guess the ploy is to use the Team angle against Mr Team. The Yanks need him at SS in 2011 & perhaps 2012. What if Jeter puts the onus back on Cashman and says okay, I don?t want to play this in the press but either give me 4 yrs @ $18M/yr or I retire.

    The Yanks would be taken to the cleaners on any SS trade. How much do those cheap prospects ultimately cost. Would the Yanks contend with a Pena or Nunez at SS in 2010 or 2011?

  14. Irreverent Discourse November 23rd, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    “I wouldn’t blame Jeter if he walks.”

    lol… if he walks he’ll make half as much next year with any other team. i wouldn’t blame him either. i would just call him a moron.

  15. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Wave,

    You may be right……but I hope not ;)

  16. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    “really? Yankees have been great to Jeter over the years. 15 AAV is very fair also. Sorry but very few will feel sorry for Jeter here.”

    The guy is building a 30,000 sq ft house in Tampa. He’s got absolutely no shot at any sympathy from the average Joe (or Jane). :)

  17. upstate kate November 23rd, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    wow the posts are going up fast and furious!

    Classy statement by Robbie
    Good news on Andy

    I will admit I was one of the fools who thought Jeet and Mo would be signed before Thanksgiving.

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone :)

  18. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    pat November 23rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm
    Andy was down in the DR doing missionary work last week so he’s already sick of hanging around the family.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    maybe he’s just hiding from The Rajah’s bank of attorneys.

  19. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    “I wouldn’t blame Jeter if he walks.”

    Walks where? Where is he going? Do we really think that Derek Jeter (Mr. My Image is Everything) is going to jeopardize his legacy by playing for another team? I just don’t see it.

  20. Chip November 23rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    I wouldn’t blame Jeter if he walks.

    ———————–

    I don’t blame Jeter if he walks, but I also don’t blame Cashman for not wanting to keep upping his offer when he knows, and Jeter’s agent knows, that the Yankees are far and away making him a better offer than he’s going to find on the FA market.

    If Derek suits up for another team next season it will be for a contract a lot lower than the 3 years $45 mil that’s on the table right now.

    And hey, that’s entirely his right. If Derek wants to say that the Yankees disrespected him so he’s going to take less money, play for St. Louis with Phat Albert then that is entirely his right as a Free Agent.

    But the Yankees made, in my opinion, a very respectable and respectful offer to Derek. They didn’t low ball him, they didn’t offer him 1 year 7 mil. They made him an offer no other team would probably contemplate matching.

  21. Warning Track Power November 23rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Andy-Please return to the team and help the Yankees win another WS

    Jeter-This is not 10 yrs ago. Accept the very fair/overpriced offer from the Yankees and finish your career as the Yankees captain.

  22. Chip November 23rd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    By the way – it’s not like Derek has been underpaid for the last 10 years. He was treated very well by the Yankees both personally and financially for his contributions to the team.

  23. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Laura but you have sympathy instead for the $1.6 billion dollar franchise. Ok.

  24. Chip November 23rd, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    “I wouldn’t blame Jeter if he walks.”

    Walks where? Where is he going? Do we really think that Derek Jeter (Mr. My Image is Everything) is going to jeopardize his legacy by playing for another team? I just don’t see it.

    ———————-

    More to the point – when have you ever heard a player take less money to go to another team when the team he’s been with all his career is offering him the most money?

    What kind of sense does that make? “You insulted me with your low offer so I’m going to take this guy’s lower offer” Who does that?

  25. ac1 November 23rd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    Laura but you have sympathy instead for the $1.6 billion dollar franchise. Ok.

    ___

    It is completely different. The Yankees arent the greedy party here. They made an effort to give Jeter a more than fair offer.

  26. Chip November 23rd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    Laura but you have sympathy instead for the $1.6 billion dollar franchise. Ok.

    ———————

    It’s not about sympathy…what are the Yankees supposed to do; offer him another 10 year 180 mil deal because he’s Derek Jeter?

    They offered him 3 years $45 mil because he’s Derek Jeter. If he was anyone else at his age he would be looking at 1 year for $8-9 mil; maybe with an option year thrown in.

  27. Warning Track Power November 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    It would not surprise me if Jeter once again hits like he did in the 2009 season. I could never count him out. Would not be a shock if he wins the A.L. comeback player of the year award in 2011.

    That being said, Jeter has to re-sign. Where else will he go and what other team would offer him the same amount of $$

    Jeter does not want to leave. If anybody believes he “wants to leave”, they should go buy a red sox cap!!!

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Jeter also has the option to retire. He can make lots of money not playing baseball. It will be interesting to see if Jeter is able to say ok you win I lose which is what the Yankees are in essence asking him to do. They won’t tell fans why they fired Eiland – but they have diarrhea of the mouth in public when it comes to Jeter.

  29. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    “Laura but you have sympathy instead for the $1.6 billion dollar franchise. Ok.”

    How am I being sympathetic to the Yankees by supporting the notion that they shouldn’t just give $$$ and years away?

    West Coast, I don’t get you. Help me understand. What is the offer that you think the Yankees should make to Jeter that you think is fair?

  30. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    pat November 23rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm
    Andy was down in the DR doing missionary work last week so he’s already sick of hanging around the family.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I decided against mentioning what happened the last time he was doing missionary work without Laura around….according to a “well sourced” NY Post blurb in 2004.

  31. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    “What kind of sense does that make? “You insulted me with your low offer so I’m going to take this guy’s lower offer” Who does that?”

    In a way, Johnny Damon did. (Sorry Erica!). :)

  32. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Chip November 23rd, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    No one does that exactly. But perhaps not unlike Damon, they wait for a better offer & the Yanks make the 1st move to do something else.

    I think the Yanks would have to spend a lot more than $15M to get a replacement SS via trade. And who would the SS be that is available via trade?

    Jeter holds the cards. If he were to walk or retire (IMO, he would do this), I imagine it would hurt the re-signing of Mo & Andy and probably hurt the Cliff Lee deal too.

  33. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    “Jeter also has the option to retire.”

    —————————————————

    Before he gets 3,000 hits?

    No way.

  34. Warning Track Power November 23rd, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Assuming Andy returns, here’s a rotation that can win a few games

    Andy
    C.C.
    Hughes
    A.J.
    Nova
    (if the Yankees sign Cliff Lee, Nova is dropped)

  35. Chip November 23rd, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    Jeter also has the option to retire. He can make lots of money not playing baseball. It will be interesting to see if Jeter is able to say ok you win I lose which is what the Yankees are in essence asking him to do. They won’t tell fans why they fired Eiland – but they have diarrhea of the mouth in public when it comes to Jeter.

    ——————————

    If Derek wants to retire that’s his choice as well – heck Bernie did it.

    But when Bernie did it he wasn’t walking away from $45 mil, he was walking away from an invitation to spring training at a very low number.

    Cashman, btw, didn’t say anything wrong. He said that he understands Derek’s position and if he and his agent want to test the market, find out what other teams will offer and then come back to the Yankees the Yankees would be willing to talk. In the meantime they’ve made an offer and Derek’s camp hasn’t responded to them…what are the Yankees supposed to do? Keep increasing the number blindly until Casey Close decides to pick up the phone?

  36. Warning Track Power November 23rd, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Who said Jeter will retire?
    Very funny
    Take that comedy on the road GENIUS
    Very funny

    Jeter retiring???
    Best laugh I’ve had all day

  37. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Laura it should never have been leaked to the press. The Yankees have treated Jeter poorly no matter what the disagreement on contract terms. I start there.

  38. BIG AL November 23rd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Chip -

    Not bad, but I’d like this line-up a bit more:

    Gardner – CF
    Crawford – LF
    Cano – 2B
    A-Rod – 3B
    Tex – 1B
    Granderson – RF
    Posada – DH
    Montero – C
    Drew – SS

    CC – Lee – Andy – Hughes – AJ or ?

  39. Chip November 23rd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Ray VT:

    If I’m Cashman and Derek tells me tomorrow – “I’m signing with St. Louis” Then I take the $15 mil I set aside for him this year and go right after Carl Crawford.

    I then use Gardner and a prospect to get a SS.

    As I said on the last thread – maybe Gardner and Nunez to Arizona for Stephen Drew.

  40. Chip November 23rd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Night fellas (and ladies).

    Anyone not online tomorrow – Happy Thanksgiving.

  41. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    I say that Mrs. Steinbrenner puts her dainty foot down and tells the boys to stop fooling around with her favorite ballplayers or she’ll send them to bed without their caviar.

  42. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    “They won’t tell fans why they fired Eiland – but they have diarrhea of the mouth in public when it comes to Jeter.”

    —————————–

    The Yankees are incredibly secretive.

    But that secrecy is linked to what they want put out there.

    They are a tight lipped organization in a sense that when the Front Office says we do not want this revealed it is not getting revealed.

    In this case, it is clearly a strategy. They want this information revealed so that is what they are doing. They don’t want people to know what happened with Eiland so you will never find out.

  43. BIG AL November 23rd, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    WCYF -

    Sorry, but you’re wrong, it started when Close went to the press and spead lies about how he was baffled.

  44. ac1 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    someone always leaks numbers to the press. it happens. it’s not about disrespect to jeter.

  45. ac1 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    did rivera disrespect the yankees by allowing the report he wants 18M/year get out?

  46. BIG AL November 23rd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Later folks

  47. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    LGY

    Yes he does. He could retire & then come back if he desired after a yr off or part of a year off for more money.

    Right now Jeter is a HOF SS. He is quite wealthy & an iconic figure. He could walk away to a private life much like Joe D did yrs ago.

    What I find troubling is that the Yanks seemed to be making a take it or leave it offer. That slaps of arrogance IMO. That is what I think DJ’s agent was saying. When the team leaked out that negotiations could get ugly, this is why they thought that IMO. Take it or leave it!

  48. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    “Laura it should never have been leaked to the press. The Yankees have treated Jeter poorly no matter what the disagreement on contract terms. I start there.”

    I didn’t realize that was your main complaint. These things almost always get leaked. It’s the nature of the beast these days. The notion of privacy is a myth.

    That being said, I don’t think that the Yankees offer is an embarrassment to Derek so the fact that the terms were leaked really isn’t a big deal. If they had offered him 2/10 in public, then I would have had a problem.

  49. Irreverent Discourse November 23rd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    the fact that any of you root for the yankees at the end of the day amazes me.

    WCYF – lol… retire? please. you are dipping below jon heyman status in terms of readability.

  50. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    The guy is building a 30,000 sq ft house in Tampa. He’s got absolutely no shot at any sympathy from the average Joe (or Jane). :)

    ————————————————————————————-

    Actually I have some sympathy for Derek.

    Poor guy thinks Tampa is a good spot to build a dream house. That’s insane.

  51. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Ray,

    Who is paying Derek more money as a 38 year old if he were to take a year off?

  52. Irreverent Discourse November 23rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    “What I find troubling is that the Yanks seemed to be making a take it or leave it offer.”

    What I find troubling is the depth to which people will read into things that were never said or done.

  53. ac1 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    What I find troubling is that the Yanks seemed to be making a take it or leave it offer. That slaps of arrogance IMO. That is what I think DJ’s agent was saying. When the team leaked out that negotiations could get ugly, this is why they thought that IMO. Take it or leave it!

    _

    Negotiate with what? Him saying no i want more years and money? And with no other offers, they should just say ok? I dont want someone that bad at business in charge of my team.

  54. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Chip November 23rd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    If the Yanks lose Jeter then the price for someone like Drew goes up exponentially! Montero would now be in play IMO.

    I imagine owners would salivate at how much they could take a desperate Yankee team looking for a SS. Plus how do you know Cliff Lee or Mo or Andy would sign with the Yanks if Jeter were gone and how much would that cost.

  55. MorningPerson November 23rd, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    I have been pro Jeter all along.

    But please tell me how the Yankees have treated him poorly?

    Because they offered him a mere 3 years $45 million for an opening bid?

    Because they want to negotiate and not just give in to whatever his demands are?

    Because they offered up the obvious, that he had a sub-par season and he’s an aging veteran, and they’re skeptical about offering too many years?

    Hey, I wish I was right in the first place and that the Yankees had a Jeter Piggy Bank that they saved up for the last 10 years and they were ready for whatever Jeter wanted.

    But I don’t even think the issue is money. It’s tying up years to someone who may not be able to fulfill the service part of the contract.

    As much as we all want Jeter to stay “Jeter,” what if he DOESN’T bounce back? What if this is it? If so, well, it’s not awful, and they work around it, I guess. And you can do that for 3 maybe maybe maybe 4 years. But 6????

    No one plays forever. No one stays young forever.

    But back to my point – I don’t see how the Yankees have treated Derek Jeter poorly here. At least not yet.

  56. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    What I have to say is it’s tough to have a dialogue tying on an I-Phone! lol

  57. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Let’s hope with Andy as, even with Lee, I think we need him.

  58. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Derek Jeter doesn’t need any money. He may want it! LOL!

    As I said earlier, the O’s are probably the one team that would or could afford to bring in Jeter if he decided to go elsewhere. Angelos has plenty of money & he hates the Yanks. Buck & Willie are there already. Jeter knew Buck from the minors & Willie from his early years.

    I don’t think Jeter would do that, but what if he did or as I said retired. What would that cost the Yanks? A championship? Lee? Mo? Andy? Montero? etc!!!

  59. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    I still don’t think that the 3/45 that the Yankees offered is firm. Isn’t that just a starting point? I really think that if he agrees to the 3 years, but asks for more money per year, Cash would agree.

  60. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    If you view this as a take it or leave it offer then that is on Jeter, not the Yankees.

    When the party you make an offer to refuses to respond to it, nothing is going to happen.

    Maybe Jeter could, ya know, actually make a counter offer, before we characterize the Yankees as trying to force this 3/45 deal on him.

  61. ac1 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    i think i am tired of hearing how insulted these millionaires are at measley 45 m dollar offers.

    boooo hoooo.

  62. Wave Your Hat November 23rd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    I suspect the Yanks and Jeter are far apart, which explains all the talking when otherwise you’d think both sides would keep things quiet.

    The Yanks can’t afford to just take things as they come with Jeter. There are too many irons in the fire. If for some reason it doesn’t get done with him, the Yanks need to make a play for Crawford or Werth, find a shortstop, decide where to stop bidding on Lee.

    They can’t just sit around waiting for closure with Jeter and then expect all these other things to fall into place if that doesn’t happen.

  63. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    I start with how the Yankees have handled it. There is no rush, why can’t Close and Jeter get back to them with a counter offer three weeks from now? They are waiting on Pettitte and Lee aren’t they? So I start with that.

    Then I go to the Yankees airing every single step in the press. They are the most secretive organization there is in sports when they want to be. They could have done all this privately – but putting Jeter in this position publicly, we are talking Derek Jeter here, think Mickey Mantle, where he has to lose face and capitulate is wrong.

  64. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    MorningPerson,

    You’re absolutely right.

    The Yankees haven’t mistreated or been unfair to Jeter in any ways. Besides, this is their initial offer…I’ve heard nothing about Jeter’s camp coming back with anything concrete. If they’ve come back with 4 years and $80 million I genuinely hope the Yankees laugh at them because THAT is unfair.

    I’d hate to see Jeter go, but if he does, its his own doing, not the Yankees. Its not about sentimentality or anything of that ilk. Its about business and doing what is best for the team. Giving Jeter a 4 year, $80 million contract is honestly not in the best interest of the team…or ANY team for that matter. His better days are behind him and everyone in baseball except Casey Close knows this.

  65. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    This whole situation is dumb. Really, really dumb.

  66. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Ray,

    How many championships is it going to cost the Yankees if they give Jeter a contract that runs too long and for too much money?

  67. Irreverent Discourse November 23rd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    WCYF – “There is no rush, why can’t Close and Jeter get back to them with a counter offer three weeks from now? They are waiting on Pettitte and Lee aren’t they? So I start with that.”

    So you just made this up and decided it was the issue?

  68. Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    The real issue that The Suits have on Derek is the magical 3,000 hits in Yankee Pinstripes…….Bottom line for whatever side you find yourself on, the Suits in the Marble Tower on River Ave & 161st Street that the people of NYC built, have decided to do what even the CBS humps and Topp and Webb didn’t do, is cut Joe D. Mantle’s or even Yogi’s salary by 5% let alone 25 %……..Derek Jeter will get his 3 /60 or real close to it, and a 4th year option……It’s of interest that Jeter is keeping mum on all this & the Club is constantly spinning crap on the wall hoping something sticks……..Loyality is a 2 way street, maybe the bluebloods need to learn this……In a very odd way, I could see Derek playing for far less eleswhere, if things get real ugly……Weather is real nice in Southern California, and the endorsements will pay equal if not more…..A whole new factions of baseball dads can point out to SS and tell his young son and daughter, That’s Derek Jeter

  69. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    There is no rush, why can’t Close and Jeter get back to them with a counter offer three weeks from now?

    ————————–

    Close needs 3 friggin weeks to present a counter offer? What is he carving the thing in stone?

  70. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Jeter hatred? Yes, because we love the team and want them to do what’s best for THEM not what’s best for Jeter. I have no problem with Cash’s comments. All he said was that if Jeter can get more on the open market, he should test it. The Yankees made a fair offer and they apparently haven’t received a response from Close – except that public one where he said he was “baffled” (in other words, he was insulted). So, Close wants his client to be paid for MORE than just performance …….and the Yankees are doing wrong by Jeter if they actually want to pay on performance and expected performance? That’s ridiculous.

    I’d love to see Wood come back, so I hope he accepts.

    Really nice job by Javy…… and great comments from Cano. Although I think he should have finished 2nd, 3rd in the MVP voting is not shabby and he’s well on his way to greatness.

  71. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Ray, How many championships is it going to cost the Yankees if they give Jeter a contract that runs too long and for too much money?

    *************

    That is the point. The Yankees have always been able to fade the last couple of years of a contract. They will do so with A-Rod, Posada, Burnett and probably Sabathia as well. And does anyone think that Cliff Lee is going to be effective for the next 6 years?

    But all of a sudden they are having a come to jesus moment with one of the greatest Yankees of all times.

  72. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Zero!!!!!!!! The Yanks have plenty of money. If they are hurting for money then why are they bidding for Lee at around $23.3M/yr for 6 yrs??? What if they signed Lee for that and he hurt his back and could not pitch anymore. Would that stop them from spending more money to replace him? Not IMO!

  73. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    There is no rush, why can’t Close and Jeter get back to them with a counter offer three weeks from now?

    ————————–

    Close needs 3 friggin weeks to present a counter offer? What is he carving the thing in stone?

    *************

    3 weeks is a long time? You are waiting on Lee and Pettite but Jeter has to wrap things up now? Hell of a way to treat an icon.

  74. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    have decided to do what even the CBS humps and Topp and Webb didn’t do, is cut Joe D. Mantle’s or even Yogi’s salary by 5% let alone 25 %……..Derek Jeter will get his 3 /60 or real close to it, and a 4th year option……It’s of interest that Jeter is keeping mum on all this & the Club is constantly spinning crap on the wall hoping something sticks

    Yogi and Joe D did not exist in the era of free agency. Derek Jeter is not keeping mum, or have you been ignoring all the stuff his agent has been saying? An agent is the mouth piece of the player. The club has not spun anything. They made a fair offer, Jeter is trying to spin it as being an insult, and the club is holding firm.

    You’ve got an interesting point of view on the situation, but I think its out of touch.

  75. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Pat M,

    Jeter has been far from mum on all this.

    Personally Jeter has not spoken out, but his representatives have been quite loud in the media.

    They speak for Derek. pat has laid this out a few times the various people that have spoken on his behalf in the media.

    He is not innocent at all.

  76. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    It’s just rude not to respond…….and instead of responding, Close took his case to the press (who aren’t buying it, by the way). Offering 3/45 is treating him poorly? Man, I’d love to be treated that poorly. I think Jetes will bounce back next year, but that’s just an opinion; he could go the other way. Or, he could bounce back and go the other way the year after. I’m a Yankee fan – I want the best for this team. I’ve NO problem with how they’ve handled this…..and for Close to say that the organization doesn’t appreciate Jeter is a joke.

  77. Wave Your Hat November 23rd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    I was really ticked off when the Yanks offered Andy $5M and told him to shop it if he didn’t like it, but I am somehow much less ticked off when the Yanks offer Jeter $45M and tell him to shop it if he doesn’t like it.

  78. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    WC,

    It is a completely different situation.

    Lee is not accepting offers yet and Pettitte is well Pettitte. Everyone knows the deal there and there is no negotiation going on.

    Derek STARTED the negotiation process, but once presented with an offer has refused to continue it.

    Once you begin a negotiation and are presented with a very generous offer, you can’t say start pulling this nonsense in good faith.

  79. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Just did the carpool thing and listened to 15 minutes of Michael Kay in the process.

    Much more pro-Yankee sentiment than I imagined coming from talk radio.

    Michael Kay was the one arguing Derek’s point of view.

    Jeter has lost a little “Jeterness” in this process with 2 callers questioning whether it is really all about just winning as he’s said all along.

  80. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    What I think we haven’t mentioned is that the Yankees are in a bind with Jeter in terms of position. If he signs for 3 years, how many of those are at SS? If he becomes a liability at SS after next season, where do you put him? He can’t play 1B. Some people say move him to 3B, but do we know if he can play 3B with his “supposed” deficiency in range to his left? What about the outfield? Well, if he’s got range problems in the infield, won’t those translate to the outfield as well?

    I just think that there is something else going on that we aren’t privy to. West Coast is upset because the Yankees supposedly are putting their business out into the street. I submit that the real issue is something none of us even know about.

  81. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    The agent is employed by his client, in this case Jeter. Any agent that goes out there and talks out of turn without being encouraged by his client would undoubtedly be fired. Close is the marionette and Jeter is the puppet master; Close is speaking on behalf of Jeter…….Jeter has not been mum.

  82. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    “That is the point. The Yankees have always been able to fade the last couple of years of a contract.”

    ——————————

    How many championships have they won in the last 10 years?

  83. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    LGY – we don’t really know what Close has told Cashman privately do we. And Close has only responded to Yankee leaks – not the other way around. Big picture? Welcome to the Hal era. More to come.

  84. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    That’s why all this has been made public…..the calls to radio shows etc that fans will start to make is decided to pressure Jeter to make a deal to protect his image. Unsavory tactics IMO…..they could hold their offer firm behind closed doors if they wanted.

  85. Yank 97 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    “I suspect the Yanks and Jeter are far apart, which explains all the talking when otherwise you’d think both sides would keep things quiet.”

    Absolutely. These things are miles apart for them to be PUBLICLY talking about it. It’s not even anonymous leaks anymore, the negotiators are taking their act to the media.

  86. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    LGY is that why they haven’t won more championships?

  87. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    A whole new factions of baseball dads can point out to SS and tell his young son and daughter, That’s Derek Jeter

    ———————————————————————————————————————————-

    And then the kids will whip out their Fisher-Price PDAs and google Jeter and say ” This guy’s a fossil. Did they check his WAR or OPS+ before signing him?”

  88. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    What’s wrong with the Hal era?

    I would classify the Hal era as officially starting in 2008 after Hank was buried in the organization for the A-Rod thing.

    Since 2008 he signed off on CC, Tex, and AJ. We are looking at a huge offer for Cliff Lee.

    He is 1 for 3 in World Series.

    Things are good in the Hal Era.

  89. Irreverent Discourse November 23rd, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    “And Close has only responded to Yankee leaks – not the other way around. Big picture? Welcome to the Hal era.”

    Close responded to a CONTRACT OFFER. Not leaks. Not some schmucks twitter account. an offer.

    He responded in the media with the “woe is me” approach” since they have literally no leverage in this situation.

  90. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Blake, they made an offer to Jeter and Close decided to basically reject it in public, stating that the Yankees have no appreciation for Jeter and that they should pay beyond what he’s worth just because he’s Jeter. That’s unsavory……..Cash’s words have no anger or bitterness to them, they are just matter of fact. Good for him.

  91. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    blake November 23rd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    That’s why all this has been made public…..the calls to radio shows etc that fans will start to make is decided to pressure Jeter to make a deal to protect his image. Unsavory tactics IMO…..they could hold their offer firm behind closed doors if they wanted.

    ********

    Exactly. The Yankees may not agree with Jeter on the terms of a new contract but at the very least they could have been fastidiously secretive like is their wont usually. No respect and Jeter deserves at least that.

  92. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Betsy, it does suck that Close took it to the media but one mustn’t be surprised about that. That’s how it is now…players and teams use the media to drive negotiations because it drives up the attention paid to the individual scenarios. Cashman is doing the same thing, regardless of whether he started it or not.

    With that, I am completely on board with what you wrote at 5:20pm.

  93. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Listening to one of the calls made me think the reason no arbitration was offered to Derek is because he would make the money this year anyhow, he’s likely to put up a better 2011 than 2010 and then the process starts over again with Derek operating from a better position of strength coming off a better year.

  94. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Blake, they made an offer to Jeter and Close decided to basically reject it in public, stating that the Yankees have no appreciation for Jeter and that they should pay beyond what he’s worth just because he’s Jeter. That’s unsavory……..Cash’s words have no anger or bitterness to them, they are just matter of fact. Good for him.

    *********

    Wrong Betsy. They “leaked” an offer in public through Jon Heyman.

  95. ML November 23rd, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    This is silly. It’s a negotiation. Jeter and his agent want more years and more money, and the Yanks don’t want to give it to them. In the end, they’ll almost certainly meet somewhere in the middle. Probably more money but only three years.

    Oh, and since when it Stephen Drew our best option is Jeter were to leave?! I’d rather throw Nunez out there at SS and keep Gardner than trade for Drew. Check out his numbers, playing in an absolute hitters ballpark. Not worth it.

  96. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    West Coast,

    Cashman has not confirmed exactly what the Yankees offer was…he said that Close and Jeter asked for more money and more years…didn’t specify amounts.

    I don’t think the Yankees have done anything wrong from a media standpoint, although I, like you, would greatly prefer that it all be worked out behind closed doors….just not the way it works in this electronic age.

  97. Irreverent Discourse November 23rd, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    WCYF – “They “leaked” an offer in public through Jon Heyman.”

    Don’t believe everything you read. In fact, don’t believe anything you read until after the GM meetings, because its all nonsense.

  98. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    WCYF,

    It is a contract offer like Betsy and ID have said.

    Those offers ALWAYS leak out. Doesn’t matter who the organization is.

  99. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    West Coast, nevermind my recent comment to you…i thought you had written that, didn’t see that it was a quote.

  100. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Betsy,

    They could have made the 3/45 offer and kept it quiet and been just as firm with it…….but they didn’t, they leaked the offer so that if Jeter rejected he would seem greedy to the public.

  101. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    ML, it will probably end up being around $17 million/year over 4 years. Too much if you ask me, but far more palatable than $20 million/per.

    If NYY gives Jeter $20 million/year they are making a bad business decision any which way you cut it.

  102. Irreverent Discourse November 23rd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Even if the yankees didn’t want the negotiations to be public, any idiot with a pen and a twitter account can make up news and sources and make the organization look bad.

    Your job as a responsible fan is to question the source of such statements, not accept them as gospel like everyone around here does.

  103. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    “How many championships is it going to cost the Yankees if they give Jeter a contract that runs too long and for too much money?”

    how many championships is it going to cost the yankees if cashman gets rigid in a know it all sabermetric way (like he did with bernie and wang) and jeter and rivera sign with the red sox?

    henry would grab jeter and rivera if he gets the chance.

    theo would try to talk him out of it, but henry’s legacy would be complete stealing the crown jewels of the yankees.
    he wouldn’t be able to help himself.

  104. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    who cares if it was leaked? its ALWAYS leaked now. That’s the way it goes with the media and electronic access to everything. no way around it unless you come in at the last minute like the Yanks did with Teix and make an offer he can’t refuse.

  105. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    I don’t recall Vmart’s, Buck’s or any other player that has signed having their deal leaked before it was basically done….the Yankees are very tight lipped. Things don’t get out without purpose.

  106. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    I don’t want them to meet in the middle, I like the Yankees offer just fine. The Yankees would be compromising more by giving the 4th year than Jeter would be by agreeing to a 4th (instead of 5th or 6th year, which he can’t hope to get). Jeter will get paid no matter what and the Yankees would have to pay him even if he’s completely on the decline.

    Blake, I can’t read their minds; I’m not about to say that’s whey did it. Either way, I have no problems at all with the Yankees.

  107. Irreverent Discourse November 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....new-manny/

  108. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    I agree. It just seems like the players always take the hit in a propaganda war.

    How much would it cost the Yanks to not sign Jeter?

    Who plays SS. Drew isn’t that good IMO. And what would AZ rake from the Yanks to get him. The moment that word on the street that the Yanks need a SS it is going to raise the ceiling so high that even the Yanks will flinch!

    Cash threw down the gauntlet. 3 yrs $45M, take it or leave it with the words you won’t find anything better.

    So maybe Jeter calls their bluff! I retire.

    Andy retires & maybe Mo does too. Who replaces them? Would Lee commit to a team that put themselves in a position of not having a SS? I imagine he could live quite well in Texas/Ark.

    I know there are a lot of people who dislike Jeter’s play and want him gone, but he is a major reason that the Yankee formula for success has worked. Key hitters at SS & Catcher.

    Not signing Jeter will cost plenty of money! The Red Sox are going to be trying to get a catcher & it will cost them too. They have spent a lot of money trying to get a SS. Now they have one & they don’t really like him either (Scutaro). They also are still feeling the effects of the revolving door at SS – Lugo (pd to leave), Cabrera, Lowrie, Gonzalez, Renteria, Nomar, etc.

  109. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    “They could have made the 3/45 offer and kept it quiet and been just as firm with it…….but they didn’t, they leaked the offer so that if Jeter rejected he would seem greedy to the public.”

    As someone has already said, these offers ALWAYS get out…whether it’s the Yankees or the Tigers or the Braves. It’s the nature of the business in the electronic age.

  110. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Mad Prince, totally disagree. More $$$ would be preferable to more years…….

  111. Irreverent Discourse November 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    blake – vmarts deal was leaked this morning, the difference in your perception is that VMarts didn’t turn down the offer, he accepted it.

  112. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Management versus labor. Isn’t the first time won’t be the last. It’s anyone’s guess how this is all going to play out before first pitch next year.

  113. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Randy, if Jeter signs elsewhere, I ca see NYYs losing Rivera, Pettitte and Lee.

  114. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I ***can*** see

  115. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    If Rivera does decide to call it quits and or signs with another team because the Yanks don’t give him the 18 million per (which while he is unbelievable is very high, hopefully that number comes down a bit), would they hand the job to a guy like Brackman?

  116. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    “henry would grab jeter and rivera if he gets the chance.”

    I’m not exactly sure why people think that lifelong Yankees would sign with the enemy, especially these two. It will never happen.

  117. BTX November 23rd, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Both sides vowed to keep this private. Yankees broke that code. Why? Probably because they got wind of Jeter’s demands and realized they had to set themselves up for a staredown.

    We are less than 3 weeks into the process and both sides have already fired multiple on-the-record shots at each other.

    They talk about secrecy in the negotiation, yet Hal goes on with Francessa AND Kay AND does interviews with some of the beat guys like Marchand talking about how it is a business and how the negotiation could get messy, etc.

    The Yankees are at fault for this thing turning ugly through the press. Before the negotiation even started, Hal was sending messages through the media. And Hal is quiet as a mouse most of the time.

  118. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Laura,

    Did Teixera or Sabathia’s deals get out? They allow info to get out when it benefits them.

  119. Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    I’m not sure how the proposed 3 year term aligns with the free agency of other prominent shortstops but maybe it comes into play and 4 years is out of the question.

    When do Tulowitski and H. Ramirez reach free agency?

    As it stands, Jeter would be signed through 2013.

    If they lock him up through 2014, maybe it blocks them from one/both of those other guys.

  120. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    “Randy, if Jeter signs elsewhere, I can see NYYs losing Rivera, Pettitte and Lee.”

    Rivera and Pettite, yes. Lee? I don’t know. Jeter isn’t the reason Lee wants to come to NYY. It’s the $$$$.

  121. Irreverent Discourse November 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    laura – lol, seriously. add in the fact that the sox already have too many SS’s and too many closers.

    some fans just can’t sit idly by and wait. they have to panic and come up with every nightmare scenario to get themselves through the day.

  122. I Like Inge November 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Yankees sound like they don’t even want this guy. It’s embarrassing to see a team like the Yankees squabble with Jeter for dollars. Years I get but dollars. Come on man, over pay the man if you want him. No love being shown to Jeter.

    If I’m Jeter I’m out there looking for work.

  123. EA November 23rd, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    “Randy, if Jeter signs elsewhere, I ca see NYYs losing Rivera, Pettitte and Lee.”

    Lee will still come here because he is a mercenary.

    However, you are right on Jeter. If he goes elsewhere, say goodbye to Rivera and Andy. Andy especially.

  124. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    “Did Teixera or Sabathia’s deals get out? They allow info to get out when it benefits them.”

    Tex’s deal was so last minute that it didn’t get out until it was done. The offer to CC was out there before hand if memory serves.

  125. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Tyler, why would they do that? Stick an completely unproven pitcher in that spot?

    If Lee doesn’t end up here it’s because he asked for too many years or $$…….not for anything else.

  126. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    You think they would lose out on all 3 of them if Jeter doesn’t resign? I know these guys are all friends but these Jeter contract talks prove once again how much of a business this really is. IMO, Rivera would resign with the Yankees if they gave him what they wanted regardless of Jeter.

  127. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    “how many championships is it going to cost the yankees if cashman gets rigid in a know it all sabermetric way (like he did with bernie and wang) and jeter and rivera sign with the red sox?”

    ————————————-

    Zero?

    What happened with Wang that cost them? Did not having Bernie around to pinch hit and be a statue in the OF really hurt them?

    How is this sabermetric anyway? Jeter was bad last year by every standard or sabermetric stat. I don’t get how this is a sabermetric thing. This is just what happened last year and history. I am also not sure why you keep bringing Mariano into this Jeter thing. Nothing has even happened on that front yet. The Yankees have said nothing on the subject.

    We have had this discussion before, but if the Red Sox signed Jeter I fully believe they will be a worse team. I truly believe that from a baseball standpoint it would be a horrible move for them.

    The Red Sox are up against the luxury tax. They do not have unlimited money to spend. No one can handle the type of overpays the Yankees can.

    I really think you are overestimating the Red Sox position and the financial power they have.

    Did you see what just happened with Victor Martinez today?

  128. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    BTX and Blake are exactly right. It’s a fact not an opinion that the Yankees have leaked everything the entire time. Jeter deserved more respect than that. At least, keep it quiet and don’t put him in this position.

  129. Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    What exactly has Close said other than on two occasions responded with a very short response to the Club’s rhetoric ?? The Jeter camp has been pretty tight lipped…..I guess George considered Derek a son, but Hal only views him a step brother……I keep hearing how the Yanks have been fair with Jeter over the years, and they reaped the benefits 10 fold……And JERKFACE, I’m well aware of when Marvin Miller was organizing the union as I was there for it…..My point still remains the same, when it came to Joltin Joe, Yogi and Mantle there was never a 25 % cut in pay and other than Joe D., their game had slipped noticeably…….3 / 60 with a 4th year option will be in the neighborhood, I just hope the images for both parties aren’t too soiled by then……LGY, funny line about the fossil

  130. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Betsy-

    Who else? Soriano might already be off the market by that time… I know they’d make a big play for Wood but who knows if they get him either? I’m not saying that they should do that but would they put Robertson there? The options are very scarce unless Joba miraculously got his stuff together

  131. Red Lobster November 23rd, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Rivera and Pettitte don’t have to go elsewhere. They will prob. just retire if Jeter goes elsewhere.

    In fact, I wouldn’t be shocked if those guys start floating that through their agents, in order to help Jeter’s negotiation out. As others have said yesterday… something tells me that Passan leak about Rivera yesterday had less to do about Rivera and more to fire a shot at the Yankees.

  132. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    “Randy, if Jeter signs elsewhere, I can see NYYs losing Rivera, Pettitte and Lee.”

    Rivera and Pettite, yes. Lee? I don’t know. Jeter isn’t the reason Lee wants to come to NYY. It’s the $$$$

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    money and winning it all. Replacing Jeter, Pettitte and Rivera’s quality will cosy as much as they will with less guarantee that the new ones will produce more, and Lee won’t come to a team in turmoil.

  133. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    What does Lee have to do with Derek Jeter?

    You really think he is sitting at home in Arkansas saying shaking his fist at the computer, “Those DAMN Yankees!!!! Cashman and Hal ARGHHH!!!”

    He will take the highest offer. Simple as that.

  134. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    Randy, if Jeter signs elsewhere, I ca see NYYs losing Rivera, Pettitte and Lee.

    I absolutely agree.

  135. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Does anyone know what Jeter’s proposal was? People are on here vilifying the Yankees when we don’t even know what Jeter is looking for. Would it change your mind about everything if you found out that Jeter wants 4/$100?

  136. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    The sight of Jeter playing SS in a Red Sox uniform would be very troubling. Depressing.

    The sight of Mariano coming out of the Fenway home bullpen with Metallica blaring would be downright terrifying. A nightmare.

  137. GusGuttata November 23rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    That is the point. The Yankees have always been able to fade the last couple of years of a contract. They will do so with A-Rod, Posada, Burnett and probably Sabathia as well. And does anyone think that Cliff Lee is going to be effective for the next 6 years?

    But all of a sudden they are having a come to jesus moment with one of the greatest Yankees of all times.

    _____________________________

    Hank made that contract with A-Rod, and at the time he was coming off an MVP season with god-like numbers. Cashman and Hal would not have done that deal. Posada was coming off a season in which he batted .338, with 20 home runs, 90 RBIs as a catcher! They also had no other options at the time. In the end he signed a 4/52 contract in a better economy at the age of 36. CC is signed through age 36, and AJ is also signed through age 36. We have no idea how long Lee will sign for but probably to age 37. I don’t see how any of these contracts are similar to Derek Jeter. If Posada (at age 36) hit .270 with little power on his contract year I doubt he is rewarded with a 4/52. More likely a 3/30. With CC and AJ, if they have a down year the last year of their contract at age 36, I can’t imagine they’d come back to the Yankees and say, “give me a four or five or six year contract and ya’ know what, I’m not down with a pay cut so I want 20 million dollars per.” The Yankees (and every other team in baseball) would say, “There’s the door.” Jeter is delusional to think that he is bigger than the team. In the end, the sun will rise in the morning, the Earth will not fall off it’s axis and the Yankees will have a shortstop on Opening Day.

  138. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    “henry?s legacy would be complete stealing the crown jewels of the yankees.”

    Stealing? Sounds like they are encouraging him to test his free agent market to determine its value.

  139. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    It will be interesting to see what the Sox do about that catcher spot… I find it hard to believe that they are fine with Salty being their starting C on opening day. The guy has ability but has done next to nothing in the big leagues besides develop a major case of the yips. John Buck seems like a option…

  140. Central CT Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Maybe Jeter Should just stay home and make little Jeter’s with his new wife.

  141. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Pat M, I think Close said quite a mouthful when he whined to the media about the Yankees not appreciating Jeter and how it baffles him that the Yankees are unwilling to pay for more than just performance.

    Tyler, I would certainly put Robertson there before I even put Brackman; what has Brackman done? If he’s going to be in the pen, he has to start in lower leverage situations. It doesn’t matter because Mo will be back.

  142. SAS November 23rd, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    I am horrified with what is going on with Jeter. He belongs in a Yankee uniform.

  143. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    “Does anyone know what Jeter?s proposal was?”

    Jeter’s trainer said he wants to play until 42 which would be 6 years.

  144. Red Lobster November 23rd, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    By the time Rivera makes a decision, Soriano, Wood, etc. will all likely be off the market.

    The only way the Yanks get involved in negotiations with other closers is if they know for a fact Rivera is going to retire or something. Soriano isin’t going to wait around for the Yankees in the event Jeter retires.

    Rivera has all the leverage in the negotiation. All of it.

  145. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    The sight of Jeter playing SS in a Red Sox uniform would be very troubling. Depressing.

    The sight of Mariano coming out of the Fenway home bullpen with Metallica blaring would be downright terrifying. A nightmare.
    ————————

    Either guy in a different uniform let alone a Red Sox uniform would be basically surreal. Can’t see either guy signing there. Definitely not Rivera. Jeter? That would be one awkward homecoming to Yankee Stadium…

  146. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    “In a very odd way, I could see Derek playing for far less eleswhere, if things get real ugly”

    pat m-

    that’s exactly what i see.

    jeter is the most recognizable athlete in sports.

    he is the one who holds the cards if things get dicey and he hits the open market.

    he really doesn’t need the yankees from this point on especially if the yankees really aren’t the yankees because they’ve been hijacked by randy levine and co.

    if this management is dumb enough to lose jeter, they will be dumb enough to lose rivera and who knows who else.

    this really is a game of chicken and i’m pretty sure who’s going to blink first.

  147. MorningPerson November 23rd, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    What’s coming clear to me is, as much as I want the Yankees to do more than right by Jeter, Jeter as a player on the field is finite. The Yankees as an organization have to keep moving forward. They must look 3, 4, 5, 6, 10 years ahead.

    I don’t think a couple million here, a couple million there, one more year here or there is going to affect their ability to compete.

    But they do have to think about more than Jeter.

    Jeter does not.

  148. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    LGY, lol – absolutely. Lee has no bond with Jeter, he probably doesn’t even know him. Even if he did, he’s making a decision that is going to take him to the end of his career; he’s not letting Jeter get in the way of that.

    That said, since Lee will take the highest offer, I don’t want to hear about how he loves NY and how disappointed he was when the trade here fell through. He doesn’t care where he plays……..

  149. Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Tyler,

    Buck signed with FLA

  150. yanks 27 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    “In a very odd way, I could see Derek playing for far less eleswhere, if things get real ugly”

    Oh, no doubt. But it probably has to be with the Red Sox or a California team. He isin’t taking less to go play for the Tigers.

    I think he’d rather do that than take $15 mil from us.

  151. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    “Jeter’s trainer said he wants to play until 42 which would be 6 years.”

    Okay, so Jeter wants the Yankees to guarantee him a deal for 6 years. Really, Derek?

    All you Jeter backers still think the Yankees are being unreasonable?

  152. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    MP, that is what I have said all along……yet the Yankees are supposed to just pay through the nose ($$$ and years) until Jeter decides he wants to hang it up. 3/45 is a very good offer………..sorry if he doesn’t agree.

  153. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    I also get the feeling that Jeter is not done. He had a bad season this year but was an MVP type player 2 years ago. I could see him hitting .300 next year. The days of .320-.330 might be gone but compared to other SS in the league he will still be top 5 IMO. Who is better than him? Only guys off the top of my head are Tulo, Hanley, Starlin Castro…. He’s still better than Andrus and a guy like Erik Aybar.

  154. 4time November 23rd, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    I would be expecting Jeter to be dining with the Sox and Mets shortly after Thanksgiving. Jeter isin’t going to take this lying down.

  155. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    As to Mo, I give him 2 years right now – I don’t care about negotiating for the 1 year. Just give him 2 – Mo thinks he can pitch that long, then he can. If he ever starts losing it and he feels that he’s done, he’ll walk away.

  156. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Bret-

    Thanks. Must have missed that. I’ve been so busy with football stuff and school recently. So does it look like Boston might be forced to go with Salty?

  157. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    What are the Red Sox going to sell to their fanbase?

    Don’t worry guys, we didn’t want to give too many years and too much money to Victor Martinez. We passed on one of Werth or Beltre or Crawford.

    But we got Derek Jeter! And we traded Marco Scutaro for some no name in A Ball that Keith Law and Jim Callis will hype up to keep you happy!

    Pretty hard to push the run prevention line with Derek Jeter manning SS. Going to have to come up with a different marketing campaign setting up their 3rd place finish this year.

  158. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Tyler, he’s not done……I think he’ll bounce back. However, I’m just going by my gut – I don’t know that’s true. Even if it is, how many years do we want to keep taking the risk that he is done?

  159. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    I know it will never happen, but for the sheer drama of it, I’d love to see a news conference called and it’s Jeter, Pettitte and Mo doing the solidarity thing. That would be a moment.

  160. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    As to Mo, I give him 2 years right now – I don’t care about negotiating for the 1 year. Just give him 2 – Mo thinks he can pitch that long, then he can. If he ever starts losing it and he feels that he’s done, he’ll walk away.
    ———————————-

    It is not quite as simple as that though. What happens if he feels like he loses it in the middle of June?

  161. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    I’d give Mo the two years because if he starts stinking up the joint, he’ll walk away on his own. Mo isn’t going to embarrass himself by trying to close if he can’t get the job done anymore.

  162. Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    GB / Randy….George pulled this crap in the early 80′s and lost Reggie, Nettles and Goose with the later 2 being viewed as too old only to take the Padres to the World Series…..Reg went on to anchor the Angels to the brink twice of getting to the Series……Yanks decide it’s time to be tough and doing so to Derek Jeter is somehow & someway going to display the new Yankee way of doing things…..Big Mistake, because in the game of baseball players see this and if they can screw with Derek they can do this to anyone……No style points so far for the Suits in the Marble Tower

  163. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    The Mets have no money.

    As Sherman said the other day, there is a reason they have been linked with literally no one on the FA market. They have a few million to spend who whoever is left sitting around at the end of January.

  164. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Laura,

    The CC offers were leaked to scare everyone else away….it had a purpose.

  165. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Betsy-

    I think the 3 years 45 million offer is more than fair. And I like the move by the Yanks telling him to explore the market. I think he is going to realize that this is the best offer for him. Unless of course there is some idiot team out there that is going to give him 20 million a year to basically fill up their ballpark on a nightly basis… But then he will have to choose between money and winning… I think he chooses the Yanks.

  166. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Tyler, that’s a “what if” I wouldn’t even think about. I’m giving him 2 years, no questions asked.

  167. Cashmoney November 23rd, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    listening to the radio… looks like Yankees are drawing a line in the sand for Jeter. Love it.

  168. Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Both Hanley Ramirez and Troy Tulowitzki are under club control for the next 4 years through the 2014 season.

    A 4 year term for Derek Jeter does not block the Yankees from either of them.

    My guess is the Yankees will surrender year 4 to Derek Jeter.

    If he averages over 200 hits per season, he’ll be pushing 4,000.

  169. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    NYY isn’t winning with a Bartlett at shortstop. He had a one year freak season and he’s certainly not as good on defense. That means a shortstop a closer and two starters will be needed. They’ll have trouble staying ahead of Toronto.

    What they spend for Jeter they’ll get back by marketing The Greatest Living Yank and Yankee HOFer, Derek jeter and the same with Rivera. Signing photos, shirts, bats and baseballs as Yankee HOFer Detek Jeter will make the Yanks millions for the rest of his life. If he has to go elsewhere with hard feelings, he could go into the HOF with no MY on his hat,

  170. 4time November 23rd, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Lee’s leverage increases to monumental levels if Jeter walks.

    Jeter leaving won’t sway Lee away from NY. All it will do is make him and his agent even greedier and compel them to take advantage of the situation. Think Cashman will hold a firm with Lee even after Jeter walks?

    Lee can literately name his own price if Jeter walks. At that point, they will be scrambling to extinguish the fire.

  171. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    “Did not having Bernie around to pinch hit and be a statue in the OF really hurt them?”

    lgy-

    you do realize that cashman created that sabermetric frankenstein at first base with mientikiewicz and the immortal josh phelps instead of having bernie’s devasting right handed bat coming off the bench?

    do i think josh phelps hurt them?

    don’t you?

  172. stuart a November 23rd, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    jeter holds no cards fools. a aging 37 year old SS with most big market teams set at SS and the small market crap teams in the market for a SS.

    the nonsense over how jeter is being treated is comical. the guy will get $8 mill more a year then he deserves for at least 1 more year then he deserves.

    also nunez and gardner for drew!!!!!nunez may be better then drew in 3 years, drew is not that good…nunez has been good the last 2 years in the minors…

  173. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    with no “NY” on his hat,

  174. I Like Inge November 23rd, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    Betsy-

    I think the 3 years 45 million offer is more than fair. And I like the move by the Yanks telling him to explore the market. I think he is going to realize that this is the best offer for him. Unless of course there is some idiot team out there that is going to give him 20 million a year to basically fill up their ballpark on a nightly basis… But then he will have to choose between money and winning… I think he chooses the Yanks.

    ———-

    Why disrespect the man and tell him to go find a better offer? Why do that to Jeter? It’s about respect.

  175. MorningPerson November 23rd, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    I can easily argue both sides of this coin. And I have.

    The thing is both parties stand to lose without each other, and both parties can survive without each other. Life would be different, but it would go on.

    I want Jeter and Mo to sign with the Yankees. I want the Yankees to be reasonably generous with both of them, and I want both of them to recognize that the offer from the Yankees is indeed fair. I think if Jeter negotiates, whether that entails entertaining outside offers or not, he will get more than 3/$45 million. Mo will get his, too.

    I despise this whole process and really want to crawl into a hole until it’s done.

    Thank heavens the next two days I’ll be too busy to obsess about it.

  176. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    “The sight of Jeter playing SS in a Red Sox uniform would be very troubling. Depressing.”

    Look at that picture.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......our-offer/

  177. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Tyler, how many pitches has Brackman thrown for the Yankees? Oh ya, ZERO.

    And you think they’d hand him the closers job in the highly unlikely situation of Mo going somewhere else or retiring?

    Come on dude. That’s fodder.

    They’d give it to Joba long before they’d hand the keys to a farmhand.

  178. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    You are funny LGY! No Lee doesn’t have shake anything! He will get all the money & love he wants from Texas. Also, 50% of his MLB income if he goes to Texas is state tax free.

    The Rangers are young & good and a really deep minor league system. A very good chance for them to compete in a weaker division as well.

  179. Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Tin Cup…..I agree, you keep playing with fire you will get burnt….Betsy, your selection of the word whine ( to the press ) tells me much about your stand on this……..This is more about principle and respect….25 % pay cut and announce it to the National Media is not a display of love and effection, it’s an insult……

  180. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 6:01 pm
    Tyler, how many pitches has Brackman thrown for the Yankees? Oh ya, ZERO.

    And you think they’d hand him the closers job in the highly unlikely situation of Mo going somewhere else or retiring?

    Come on dude. That’s fodder.

    They’d give it to Joba long before they’d hand the keys to a farmhand.
    ———————–

    the point of my post was showing the limited options the Yankees have without Rivera. It is essential they get that done or you are going to have Joba closing. And nobody wants that at this point.

  181. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    stuart a,

    You make a compelling point.

    I doubt the Yanks would go out and trade for a SS…they’d probably give Nunez the chance to be the everyday SS and then would use the money saved from Jeter and put it towards a guy like Crawford.

    Moral of the story: life goes on, with or without Jeter, however troubling it is to picture him playing for another team.

    I hope he re-signs with NYY.

  182. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    I like Inge-

    I don’t view it as disrespect at all. Let him look around a little. It’s not like the Yankees have closed their door to him or pulled their offer. Let him look it’s right. He will realize that the Yanks have been very fair about this process I think.

  183. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    Pat M, ok, so it tells you something. I take it that’s bad……but so be it. I’m not out for anyone’s approval with my opinions. I love Jeter and I defended him constantly when those stupid trolls and their lovely nicknames for Jeter would pop up here. I’ve made my POV pretty clear: I care about the future of the team and if Jeter is going to be an issue, then I choose the team.

  184. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    No one has said anything about the news that Jeter wants a 6 year deal. Do you think that’s reasonable?

    It’s clear that Jeter doesn’t want to finish his Yankee days before Alex does.

  185. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    You are just wrong on this! Lee isn’t a mercanary! He hasn’t shopped himself ever until now that he is actually a FA for the 1st time. He hasn’t even stated a preferrence for any team yet.

    I would guess he wants to win a WS as well as be paid highly! There are several avenues for that. The Yanks would be in a real mess if the trio of Jeter/Mo/Andy all left or retired.

  186. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Inge, sorry, I don’t agree. Cash suggested that Jeter go explore his other opportunities; that’s not the same as saying “so, you go out there and see what you can get and then come crawling back to us”.

    We’re all just talking past each other because none of us are going to change each other’s minds.

  187. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Anybody see Nick in SF lately?

    This place needs some humor.

  188. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Boring off-season huh? lol

  189. rconn23 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Jeter has no leverage. That’s a fact.

    His agent has vastly overplayed the “he’s a legend, so write a blank check” hand.

    A 3-year $45 million contract for a 37-year old player who is coming off his worst offensive season and who is a poor defender is more than fair.

    Cashman is right. Shop the contract. He won’t get half that offer on the open market.

  190. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    I don’t think media outlets like ESPN are making this any easier anyway. They are jumping on all these stupid rumors much like they have with the whole Cam Newton mess. It’s become a gossip network and website. I believe the Yanks and Jeter get this done and this whole thing is forgotten.

  191. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Ray, I didn’t criticize Lee………and he is going to take the most $$$.

    These players are going to retire at some point; I’m not worried about the Yankees being a mess. I have faith in them.

  192. Jerzz November 23rd, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    I don’t think people realize how insulting telling someone like Jeter to go “test the market” is.

    Cashman is basically telling Jeter that he is nowhere as good as he thinks he is and if he goes out on the market, that will manifest itself in the offers.

    Cashman is also operating on the premise that a guy like Jeter is “mortal” enough (in stature) to be valued under market conditions.

  193. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Tom in NJ,

    Seriously….where is Nick?!

    Aren’t you glad you aren’t the one making the decisions re: Jeter?!

  194. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    “… he could go into the HOF with no NY on his hat,”

    GB

    You know that’s not true. HOF makes the determination not the player.

    Morning Person-

    There is plenty of rhetoric to go around on both sides that a case can be made for either. That’s what makes it sad. They want and need each other and everyone wants them to figure it out.

  195. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Ray, if he wants to go to TX, let him go. We need him, but he should go where he wants to be. If that’s not NY, well so be it.

  196. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Unless Lee changes his HOR to Texas, he’ll still pay Arkansas state income tax.

  197. blackaccord November 23rd, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    jeter is not worth 3/45 mill for any other team than the yanks.. I don’t think people will fill up the stadium to watch him..Yes, there will be some curiosity around his 3000th hit, but that’s pretty much it.. Are mets fans and redsox fans going to fill up the stadium to see him hit singles to right field and move up slow on ground balls down the middle? I dont think so.. Fat mike at his usual ranting again..

  198. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    And Jeter’s agent telling the Yankees they should pay him for more than his performance and that his is baffled (re: insulted) is nothing but a whine……..given tacit approval by Jeter.

  199. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Jerzz, I genuinely believe that the “go test the market” comment was directed more towards Close’s ridiculous “baffling” comment than it was to Jeter, even if Close represents Jeter.

    Its negotiating tactics and I think everyone on this blog knows that Close can shop Jeter all he wants, but he ain’t finding any takers for $20 million/year. Common sense. Any team that gives him that much should be lambasted by the media. I don’t care how great he has been, that’s just bad business, IMO.

  200. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    pat November 23rd, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    “… he could go into the HOF with no NY on his hat,”

    GB

    You know that’s not true. HOF makes the determination not the player.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    They also take the players wishes into consideration, and if Jeter states a strong case, he very well may.

  201. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Betsy,

    That is more or less what he’s saying….he’s just sugar coating it. I don’t have a problem with them holding a line on what they think is fair…..I just don’t like them dragging all this through the media, using Jeter’s image and legacy against him…..because that’s exactly what they are trying to do. He deserves better…..

  202. Jerzz November 23rd, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    “I don’t think media outlets like ESPN are making this any easier anyway. They are jumping on all these stupid rumors much like they have with the whole Cam Newton mess. It’s become a gossip network and website. ”

    But it’s the Yankees fault. Their PUBLIC comments (not “anonymous sources”) have muddied the negotiation. They put out enough “on-the-record” fodder for the media to eat it up. It’s their fault for giving the media so much to write about and I believe much of it was intentional.

    Like others have said… none of these “sources” were able to divulge what happened to Dave Eliand or Burnett’s black eye or any of that… yet they are able to access this Jeter thing to easily?

    If the Yankees wanted this thing to be private (and they stated unequivocally that they did), they could have done it. They were the ones who were talking to the media. Yes, the media has now run wild with it and turning it into a circus, but the Yankees were the one who set-up the tent and brought the clowns in to begin with.

  203. longtime November 23rd, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    for all you people who are saying pay Jeter you will the first to complain if they ” cheap out” in other areas or if he hits 270 next you will be knocking them for signing him.

    The yanks don’t have a bottomless pocket book , they still have a budget , and this is all about negociating. the best fit for Jeter is right here. he’s not going anywhere. Let’s hope the Sox offer him a 4 year contract that will prove they are real idoits.

    He is what he is a 270ish hitter the yanks are paying a premium at 15mm per for 3 years.

  204. BJK November 23rd, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    All this discussion sounds familiar. Oh yeah, switch out the name “Jeter” with “Torre” and move the decimal point one over to the left.

  205. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    It’s a tough choice to make, Mad Prince, that’s for sure.

    I’m a fan so the emotional side of me wants to see Jeter on the field until he’s carried off like Maximus at the end of “Gladiator.”

  206. 108 stitches November 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Derek Jeter didn’t build a mansion in Tampa so he could spend February and March elsewhere or in a division that doesn’t make 3 trips each each season to visit the Rays.
    The posturing will be over sooner than later, a contract signed, and the Yankees will move on to other business.
    Tampa is his home and the area is loaded with Yankee fans. Neither he or the Steinbrenners want to be taken in a bad light.

  207. I Like Inge November 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:06 pm
    Inge, sorry, I don’t agree. Cash suggested that Jeter go explore his other opportunities; that’s not the same as saying “so, you go out there and see what you can get and then come crawling back to us”.

    We’re all just talking past each other because none of us are going to change each other’s minds.

    —-

    Free agency means you can can look at other opportunities. The Yankees don’t need to say that publicly. Bad way of doing business and this is not a standard business negotiation. It is Jeter a freaking Yankee legend. A lot of you think he is just a player but you are sophisticated fans that get his statistical decline. Most people just want to see him in a Yankee uniform. The Yankees are going to field a kick ass team regardless of Jeter’s diminishing skills. Why disrespect the man. If you don’t want him don’t offer him a contract. If you do, don’t make a mockery of the man, and embarrass him in the process.

  208. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    For those who think that Casey Close hasn’t given Cashman a proposal:

    “Matthews reports the Yankees’ offer to be three years and $45MM. Cashman wouldn’t confirm that, but did say, “You can write that they have asked for more. More years and more money.” Matthews says the Yankees informed Close Monday that they will not be offering arbitration to Jeter. If Jeter does somehow land with another club, he will not come with a draft pick cost”.

    “You can write that they have asked for more. More years and more money.”

  209. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Blake, who are you referring to? I just don’t agree with you. The Yankees made a generous offer and Close didn’t respond to them. No, he took it to the media and made ridiculous comments. He’s speaking for Jeter, so no – Jeter is no innocent in this.

  210. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Green Beret,

    Jeter will have an NY on his hat when he retires.

    That anyone is even debating his is ridiculous.

    If Jeter states the case that he wants another logo on his HOF plaque, he’ll all but sever every tie he ever had with the Yankees and I think we all know he would never do that, regardless of contract negotiations in the twilight of his career.

    This is a pointless conversation however amusing it might be.

  211. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Jerzz November 23rd, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    “I don’t think media outlets like ESPN are making this any easier anyway. They are jumping on all these stupid rumors much like they have with the whole Cam Newton mess. It’s become a gossip network and website. ”

    But it’s the Yankees fault. Their PUBLIC comments (not “anonymous sources”) have muddied the negotiation. They put out enough “on-the-record” fodder for the media to eat it up. It’s their fault for giving the media so much to write about and I believe much of it was intentional.

    Like others have said… none of these “sources” were able to divulge what happened to Dave Eliand or Burnett’s black eye or any of that… yet they are able to access this Jeter thing to easily?

    If the Yankees wanted this thing to be private (and they stated unequivocally that they did), they could have done it. They were the ones who were talking to the media. Yes, the media has now run wild with it and turning it into a circus, but the Yankees were the one who set-up the tent and brought the clowns in to begin with.
    ———————————

    It is the Yanks fault also but I just feel like people are coming down kind of hard on the Yanks. They have to do what’s best for their team too here. It’s a tough situation all around like everybody could see coming.

  212. Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    If this continues, a part of me wouldn’t mine seeing Derek stick to the Yanks and many here…..He could simply hit the West Coast take less money and rather than 5,000 people running around Angel Stadium with Jeter # 2 tee shirts it’ll be 25,000 people running around the stadium donning the # 2 Jeter shirts…….This is a PR nightmare for the NY Yankees….Many don’t see this now, but could in a few months

  213. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Betsy – Close told Cashman what they wanted. Did you read my last post?

  214. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    randy,

    I don’t think having Josh Phelps as opposed to Bernie rotting on the bench hurt the Yankees in any real or significant way where it is worth dwelling on it.

    Cashmoney needed to sever that Torre-Bernie relationship. Bigelow Joe couldn’t face facts on Bernie.

  215. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    ” if Jeter signs elsewhere, I ca see NYYs losing Rivera, Pettitte and Lee.”

    gb7-

    i think that cashman and hal are going to come to their senses when the red sox owners are having christmas dinner with jeter and jeter will be back with the yankees with a contract pretty much what he asked for.

    but haze of war and all that sort of thing happens in fast paced brinkmanship negotiations. anything could happen.

    actually jeter’s career isn’t on the line here. it’s cashman’s, because if he chases jeter away and rivera follows ,cashman won’t be able to walk down a NYC sidewalk. he’d be done in new york.

  216. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Green Beret

    Edit: *Jeter will have an NY on his hat when he goes to the HOF*

  217. MorningPerson November 23rd, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    If this is business, then how can it be “insulting” to be told if you’re not happy with our offer, see what else is out there? If what’s out there is more, I’m sure the Yankees will beat it.

    It comes down to, the Yankees are more than willing to overpay – but they don’t want to be crazy about it.

    pat-

    It really is sad.

  218. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    If this continues, a part of me wouldn’t mine seeing Derek stick to the Yanks and many here…..He could simply hit the West Coast take less money and rather than 5,000 people running around Angel Stadium with Jeter # 2 tee shirts it’ll be 25,000 people running around the stadium donning the # 2 Jeter shirts…….This is a PR nightmare for the NY Yankees….Many don’t see this now, but could in a few months.

    ***************

    Funny Pat – I was just thinking that. Moreno has lots and lots of green.

  219. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Ray, I didn?t criticize Lee???and he is going to take the most $$$.

    These players are going to retire at some point; I?m not worried about the Yankees being a mess. I have faith in them.

    I do too Betsy! The hard part is putting Humpty Dumpty together again. The Yankees payroll would shoot thru the roof if they lose Jeter/Mo & Andy IMO. I think they are tied together and so is Lee to a certain extent. Lee wants to be a difference maker & a WS champ. A depleted Yankee team wouldn’t be a good option for him.

    Replacing the guts of the Yanks C, SS, SP & CL is drastic, especially if the Yanks have to go on the trade market searching for a SS & 2 SP & a CL.

  220. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Inge, let’s just agree to disagree. First of all, WHO here thinks Jeter is just a player? He’s not the first HOFer and he won’t be the last to get old. Are you kidding? 3/45 is a mockery? You think that’s tantamount to saying that the Yankees really didn’t want to offer him a contract?

  221. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    never underestimate the retributions from a woman scorned or a scorned and embarrassed ball player.

  222. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    “If this continues, a part of me wouldn’t mine seeing Derek stick to the Yanks and many here…”

    Pat M

    He’d be sticking it to himself.

    If that’s what he is about, then let him.

  223. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 23rd, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Tom in NJ,

    Me too…Jeter is my favorite by a considerable margin. I wanted to name my daughter Derek ;)

    hahaha

    But unfortunately its a business and these sorts of decisions are not easy. I think this convo is probably going to be all for naught because Jetes retiring a Yankee is all but certain.

    He’ll eventually tell Close to get it done and it will get done.

  224. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Ray, I just don’t think Lee is tied to anyone…….and Mo is going to be here. If Andy wants to retire, there’s nothing anyone can do about that. I just find that very dramatic and I don’t agree….. In any case, the Yankees have to do what they think is right. If Lee thinks they are a mess, then that’s his issue……I want him badly, but I’m not about ask that the Yankees make bad decisions just so he will deign to come here. He either wants to be here or he doesn’t.

  225. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Can we please stop saying that Casey Close hasn’t told Cashman what Jeter wants?

    “You can write that they have asked for more. More years and more money.” — Brian Cashman

  226. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Betsy,

    Actually….the Yankees have suggested that ” it could get messy”….Levine through in his 2 cents, then they leaked an offer to the media knowing that if Jeter rejected it would make him look bad. They never open their mouths and keep it all in house then Close never has anything to respond to…..let’s remember that there hasn’t been one quote from Jeter in all of this. Negociating this through the media is something I never ever thought would happen.

  227. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    “You can write that they have asked for more. More years and more money.”

    Fine. Jeter has responded with a ridiculous counter offer. What are the Yankees supposed to do? Cave and sign him for 6 years? You think Jeter can play SS for the next 6 years? I don’t. Can’t have him be the DH; that will be Alex’s spot. What are the Yankees supposed to do with a 40+ year old Jeter? Inquiring minds want to know.

  228. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    All this Jeter is not interesting, huh?
    Speaking of hikes, anybody seen the movie 127 Hours?
    I think that family that rescues him was MTU’s.
    Maybe Big Als.

  229. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    All that is required to get his HOR in Texas is a simple request. Like Sr George Bush did yrs ago. Bush used a motel room as his residence even after it burned down! Save a lot of money on taxes! LOL!

  230. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    I think DiMaggio had a better year at age 36 than Jeter did.

    And DiMaggio probably made more from Mr. Coffee than he ever did from the Yankees.

  231. Yanks78 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    “Derek Jeter didn’t build a mansion in Tampa so he could spend February and March elsewhere or in a division that doesn’t make 3 trips each each season to visit the Rays.”

    A-Rod has a mansion in Miami. CC (had) a mansion in San Francisco. Andy has a ranch in Houston. Swisher and his wife are building a house in LA.

    Where Jeter’s primary residence is has no bearing on his (potential) next team. Most players have mansions in warm-weather cities anyway and they don’t live there except during the off-season.

    Besides, his girlfriend lives in LA. So it would be added incentive for him to go there.

  232. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Randy, the only thing that would hurt the Yankees worse at the box office is them signing with the Mets….a distinct possibility.

  233. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    I have an idea!

    Theo is going to go with a sabermetric frankenstein at SS.

    He will sign Jeter, retain Scutaro, and convince the league to allow the Red Sox to have both players on the field at SS at the same time.

    Since Jeter’s range is so bad, it is only fair!

  234. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Blake, I just don’t think Levine said anything untoward. I usually agree with you, but we part ways here. I have no proof that he or the Yankees leaked the offer and I am not going to speculate. Even if they did leak it, I am unwilling to take the leap that you did and assume it was calculated to make Jeter look bad. I just won’t do it. Also, Close speaks for Jeter….period. He’s the marionette and Jeter is the puppet master.

  235. EA November 23rd, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    “Negociating this through the media is something I never ever thought would happen.”

    Especially from the Yankees end.

    Hal was talking about the negotiation to Kay and Francessa before it even started and fired a preemptive strike.

    They obviously have their reasons for doing it. What are they? I have no idea. This thing is turning into a circus like George created. Thought Hal/Cashman would operate differently. And they were not even forced to react this way, they did it by choice before the negotiation even started.

  236. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    “signing with the Mets….a distinct possibility.”

    —————————–

    Is the city funding those signings???

  237. GhettoBlaster November 23rd, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Yankees are already offering Jeter double what he is worth.

  238. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Jeter signing with the Mets would be hilariously spiteful.

  239. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Ray, I’m not that sure that Lee has as much pull with the government as Bush does.

  240. Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    RICH IN nj….How would Derek Jeter be sticking it to himself ??? Even your most Conservative viewpoint fails me on this one ????? He’s going to be the only shortstop in the history of the game to have 3 k hits, 5 Championship wins and is the most marketable Athlete on the planet ????? Can you imagine if Derek, Rivera & Pettite do a Bosh, Wade Lebron trifecto this winter in baseball…….Then they can dispell the money factor and play for a club that is already in contention…….A few weeks ago I’d nevere consider such an event, but the way the club is popping off, I CAN SEE THE PLAYERS SAYING SCREW YOU….

  241. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Are the Angels passing on Crawford, Beltre, or Soriano to pay for Derek Jeter?

  242. EA November 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    “I have no proof that he or the Yankees leaked the offer and I am not going to speculate”

    Heyman said the Yankees were going to offer “3/$45″ last Friday.

    On Sunday, Close makes comments to Lupica about the “baffling” negotiation strategy.

    Obviously, the leak was correct. If it was just media speculation, Close wouldn’t have reacted.

  243. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Man this soap opera just took a sudden turn…

  244. BJK November 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    This is what is so terrible about the internet, tweeting, and 24 Hour news reporting.

    We latch onto any sound byte we can and analyze it to death

    Nobody has patience any more and our attention spans are like that dog from UP. SQUIRREL!

    Negotiations take time. Both sides are posturing and looking for leverage. There’s no reason that Jeter has to be signed before Thanksgiving or even by Christmas.

  245. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Betsy,

    Ok but I firmly believe that if they wanted this kept quite then it would be…..Larry Rothschild was hired and nonbody even knew he had been interviewed. The Yankees are very good at controlling information.

  246. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    “I don’t think having Josh Phelps as opposed to Bernie rotting on the bench hurt the Yankees in any real or significant way where it is worth dwelling on it.”

    lgy-

    you’re just ignoring the stats and facts. bernie was a right handed masher in 2006. cashman had just finished reading sabermetrics for dummies and came up with the 2007 mientkiewicz /phelps frankenstein which was a dismal failure.

    cashman continued with his arrogance from 2007 and went into 2008 with hughes and kennedy in the rotation. you might have noticed the yankees missed making the playoffs for the frst time since 1995 with cashman in full control.

    of course , cashman, while being all depressed that winter, happened to look at his name tag at some dinner and had an epiphany; he realized he literally was the cash man , and then he went out and signed sabathia, teixeira, and burnett and all was good in the yankee universe again.

    that’s what happened .you can look it up.

  247. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Mad Prince, you’re most likely right. Sometime before the spring Jeter will sign with the Yankees.

    Then we’ll argue about the contract being a mistake. :neutral:

  248. MorningPerson November 23rd, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Cashman isn’t doing this negotiation alone.

    I said a couple of weeks ago, that it was conceivable that if Jeter didn’t sign, that Mo and Pettitte would perhaps not sign either.

    I was scoffed at.

    Now it’s somehow viable.

    This whole thing is getting way out of hand.

    It’s not an us against them kind of thing. People are trying to put people on different sides of a fence.

    It would be unnatural to see Derek Jeter playing for another team. He doesn’t need the money, so it’s conceivable that if he becomes disenchanted, he could play for anyone for any amount. But think about what this says: all these years, all he was about was winning, according to him. It’s WS or bust. Where else, what other team, has the same mission? If he switches teams now, he can SAY he’s all about winning a WS, but does it have the same gravitas? I guess it depends on the team, doesn’t it?

    4 years, and then revisit the situation. What’s wrong with that?

  249. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    The Met’s can probably afford to pay Jeter for about 60 games a season.

    And Met fans would freak if they actually gave him what he was looking for.

  250. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Mo was pretty torn up on returning to the Yanks when they let Torre go. Jeter retiring or going elsewhere would play on him even greater IMO. Andy for sure. Most likely Lee too or perhaps Lee would ask for even more money. Anyway I look at it, it will be very expensive for the Yanks to try & repeat. It also will deplete the minor league team as well. That cost a lot of money, albeit hidden dollars up front.

  251. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    You guys think too highly of professional athletes who have a limited window of opportunity to make their money.

    Mo is not going anywhere as long as the Yankees pay him his 15 million+ regardless of what happens with Derek.

  252. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue November 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    “You can write that they have asked for more. More years and more money.”

    Fine. Jeter has responded with a ridiculous counter offer. What are the Yankees supposed to do? Cave and sign him for 6 years? You think Jeter can play SS for the next 6 years? I don’t. Can’t have him be the DH; that will be Alex’s spot. What are the Yankees supposed to do with a 40+ year old Jeter? Inquiring minds want to know.

    ******************

    I’ll tell you what I would have done if I was Hal/Cashman.

    1. I would have agreed with Close and Jeter to keep it private and keep my word.

    2. I would have offered Jeter the 3 year $45 million.

    3. Close would have countered with a 5 year $75 million

    4. I would have countered with a 4 year $60 million with the understanding that the Yankees reserve the right the first 3 years to bat him where they want to, sit him when they want to.
    And that he would retire after year 3 and year 4 would be as a coach, good-will ambassador, spring training instructor, etc.

    5. If this were all kept secret I think Jeter agrees. If he doesn’t Cashman tells Close that’s our final offer and let’s him know if it’s a stalemate they will have to go public and move on.

    6. All behind closed doors, respectful.

  253. 4time November 23rd, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Mets are desperate to sell tickets and love tweaking the Yankees. Imagine the crowds at Citi Field to see him as he approaches 3,000 hits?

    Something tells me, Wilpon has the ability to dig deep in his pocket for something like that and categorize it as a “non-baseball” expenditure.

  254. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Jeter’s be the new Yogi?

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/teleg.....00628c.jpg

  255. Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    YankeesWFAN Yanks do not offer arbitration to Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte,or Wood. Old rules gone, can still negotiate with Yanks with no deadlines.

    KenDavidoff Brian Cashman says the #Yankees have made “more than one” offer to Derek Jeter, and have “received one.”

  256. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Pat M

    Because it would demonstrate that being drafted, developed, surrounded with enough good players to win 5 rings, being made a multi-millionaire many times over, and being offered a contract this is worth far more than a 37 year old to be SS coming off a 90 OPS+ season should get, is not enough for him. That is the height of being an ingrate.

    And when he gets old and reflects back on his legacy, he will likely realize just how short-sighted he was.

    If Derek, Pettitte, and Mo were the same ages as the Miami trio, you might be right, but they are all pushing 40, or in Mo’s case, 42.

    So let them have a tantrum over a very, very generous contract offer to Jeter. It would be comical.

  257. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Only the Yankees offer leaked and people know the Yankees are doing the leaking?

    2 possibilities-

    Yankees leaked just their offer because Jeter’s counter was reasonible.

    Close leaked the Yankees offer because theirs was absurd and wouldn’t want people to balk at it.

    Need to know the counter to know where the leak likely came from.

  258. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Wasn’t aware that Wilpon’s accountant posted here. You bring Pettitte, Rivera and Jeter in to play and they’ll fill the place. Move Reyes to 2nd and maybe Jeter can knock some attitude out of him. Rivera closes and Pettitte as the #2 or #3 starter.

  259. Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Ledger_Yankees “He should be nothing but a New York Yankee. He chooses not to be.” — Brian Cashman, on Derek Jeter and the negotiating process.

  260. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    LOL! Scutaro is bad defensively! LOL! Perhaps they can!

  261. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    randy,

    You are reading far to in to Bernie’s RH mashiness in 2006. It was a limited number of at bats far in which he far outperformed his career levels.

    He had no position to play. He had extremely limited utility.

    Until Grandpa Torre would have stepped in and said oh yeah lets put Bernie out in the OF today.

    Cashman couldn’t afford that happening.

    Since Cashman got full control the Yankees have won a WS and they are in the best position from an organizational standpoint they have been in years.

    The big league team is loaded with talent. The minors is bursting with talent. Things are great in Yankee land since Cashmoney wrestled control away from George.

    Now he won’t let a couple of aging superstars ruin the future. He wants them back but not at the cost of the future.

  262. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    “If that’s what he is about, then let him.”

    admit it, you like randy levine don’t you.

  263. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    LOL! I bet he would in Texas if he re-signed with them!! LOL!

  264. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Cashman’s contract is up after next season, no?

  265. Melk Man November 23rd, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Jeter, Andy, and MO will pull a Bosh-Wade-LeBron?

    Ok, now this has become ridiculous. Some contending team has $40+ million lying in the fault and in need of a closer, $12 million dollar 40 yr old pitcher, and .690 OPS ss?

  266. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Mets are desperate to sell tickets and love tweaking the Yankees. Imagine the crowds at Citi Field to see him as he approaches 3,000 hits?

    ————————————————————————————————————————————————-

    True. And then once he hit # 3,000 it would be back to the standard 25,000+ who got tickets from their buddy at work who had better things to do.

    Met fans love to tell Yankee fans that “Jetah’s done!” It’s basically all they say.

  267. Don November 23rd, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    While the amounts of money in baseball contracts are unreal for normal people, we also have to look at it from a ballplayers view. Look at Damon, he didn’t want to take the Yankee offer of $7 million per year because it was a decrease from his previous per annum rate of around $10 million. (Damon then settled for less with the Tigers, but it wasn’t in the same place where he had made his $10 million). Maybe Jeter is thinking in the same way: he is making close to 20 million on the last contract and now he has being asked to work for $15 million. It is more a psychological thing than a monetary thing. The insult factor at work! If he follows Damon’s example he might play elsewhere for less money but he would not be doing it for the employers who “insulted” him.

  268. Melk Man November 23rd, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    So the Yanks decided not to offer Wood arb?

    Strange. Guess he’s a goner.

  269. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    So true Randy! LOL!

  270. Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    KenDavidoff

    Brian Cashman says the #Yankees have made “more than one” offer to Derek Jeter, and have “received one.”
    8 minutes ago via web

  271. BIG AL November 23rd, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    ***********************************************

    Mickey Mantle hit .365 in 1958, then .304 in 1958, and his salary was reduced in both 1959 & 1960. So, even though Mantle was above .300 in 1958, his average dropped, so did his pay. And, when his average dropped the next season, so did his pay.

    Jeter is no Mickey Mantle, and Mantle’s best pay check was $100,000 per year, today, they’d have to top A-Rod’s contract for a Mickey Mantle.

  272. austinmac November 23rd, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Jeter was compared with Reggie earlier. After Reggie left he had one good year followed up by a very sharp decline. This argument does not encourage long expensive contracts.

    This blog has turned into what if Derek does this or that. Then, the Yankees will have a different shortstop as I did before Jeter came along. Jeter is hurting his image or will shortly. That, in my opinion, will ultimately cost him money.

  273. Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Tin CUP….I think Rich in NJ gravtates to the Conservative side…..It all comes back to Derek’s OFF SEASON IN 09…..So that warrants a 25 % cut in pay…..I just wish Derek had his 3,000 hits already ……His autograph baseball / bat / uni is by far the most valued on the market……That Stiener Collection would take a big hit if were to be a LA Dodger playing for Donnie Baseball

  274. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    “Can you imagine if Derek, Rivera & Pettite do a Bosh, Wade Lebron trifecto this winter in baseball.”

    No.

    Pettitte has said its Yankees or home so part of your trifecto is accounted for.

    Mariano didn’t let a Torre failed negotiation sidetrack his legacy and isn’t going to sacrifice it for Derek no matter how much he likes or respects him.

    This is the kind of speculation that adds to the panic in the fanbase and is careless and baseless.

  275. Mell November 23rd, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Ledger_Yankees:”He should be nothing but a New York Yankee. He chooses not to be.” — Brian Cashman, on Derek Jeter and the negotiating process.

  276. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    For Cashman to make those remarks they must be way far apart.
    This could be deeper doo doo than most expected and Jete could be out the door.

  277. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    “admit it, you like randy levine don’t you.”

    I prefer better looking men.

  278. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    “Since Cashman got full control the Yankees have won a WS and they are in the best position from an organizational standpoint they have been in years.”

    lgy-

    cashman spent more that winter probably than anyone in the history of baseball.

    he was a failure at developing the team from within.

    he’s doing the same thing this year. he’s going to spend yankee millions and just sign lee.
    how does that make him a good gm?
    he just happens to have a get out of jail free card anytime he wants to use it.

    one million dollars would have let bernie go out in style.
    bernie williams had a good year in 2006.
    he was one hundred points higher in righthanded OPS than Thames this year.

    cashman accomplished nothing by bumping bernie for josh phelps.
    nothing.

  279. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Why would Met fans or Red Sox fans want to show up to the ballpark to watch Jeter ground out to SS on the first pitch half the time?

    His boyish good looks?

  280. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:33 pm
    GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    LOL! I bet he would in Texas if he re-signed with

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    LMAO. Yeah, well, I hadn’t quite thought about the giddiness in Texas. It would be like striking another Spindletop. a bunch of drunk wildcatters just hittin’ town.

  281. Yanks78 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Does Derek Jeter’s ego allow him to now accept the 3/$45 after publicly leaking that he deserves to be paid like Mantle, Marist, etc?

    I do think him taking less go to west or Boston is very much in the cards.

    Just like Cashman said Damon wouldn’t accept a $7 mil offer from the Yanks, but he would from Detroit, Jeter might be the same way.

    Jeter is a brand onto his own. As long as he goes to a flashy team like the Dodgers, Red Sox, Angels, Giants, etc. and not the Orioles or Rays, he will survive.

  282. Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    KenDavidoff Since this came up from a few tweeps, team signing J. Vazquez (Type B) wouldn’t give up a pick. #Yankees get a sandwich-round pick.

  283. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Anybody tired of all the Jeter talk now?

  284. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    I think one could make a reasonable assumption that the Yankees want Jeter to leave, that they don’t want to pay him $45 million. I am not saying that is the case, but it is not outside the realm of possibility.

  285. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    ”He should be nothing but a New York Yankee. He chooses not to be.”

    Derek is choosing not to be a Yankee? Did he sign somewhere else?

    I’d say he’s choosing not to take the 1st offer handed to him.

  286. Pat M. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    BIG AL…My Mantle reference was to his 65-66-67 seasons and he was the clubs only reason to come to the decaying Stadium back then….But not once was it ever suggested that he should take a cut in pay, likewise Willie Mays……Don’t read more into that then what was intended…….25 % CUT is a more than a bruised ego, it’s a smack in the gut to a proud man

  287. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    WCYF

    They have pulled this before.

  288. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    “….I think Rich in NJ gravtates to the Conservative side…”

    Fiscally conservative, socially moderate, like most of the country. ;)

  289. BX33 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Can you imagine how much drama there would be if Torre was still the Dodgers manager?

    Yanks are lucky that he isin’t. He would have talked Jeter into taking less to go there to stick it to the Yankees.

  290. MorningPerson November 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    pat -

    You are always the voice of reason. Thanks.

    Things are crazy at home, and I find the more frustrated I am getting at home, the less patience I am having for this entire situation.

    It’s a sin. It really is. We’re talking a guy who has lived his dreams to the utmost feeling insulted by an offer of $45 million dollars (which is likely not the final offer) to finish out his career with the team of his dreams, a guy who’s making millions more in endorsements. I’m losing patience with Jeter. He has been a blessed individual – yes, he’s worked hard, done everything right, deserves everything he has. But right now, I’m finding it very difficult to muster up any sympathy for the “insulted.”

    I don’t love how the the negotiations are going. Wish the Yankees were quiet on this. Because no matter what they do, they will not come out smelling good because that’s how this country is. Even when the “worker bee” is a millionaire, they get the support.

  291. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    jimbaumbach Cliff Lee’s agent says Lee’s timetable for a decision won’t be affected by how long the Yankees and Jeter do this tense tango.

  292. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I love Jeter, I love Mo, I love all the players…………but I love the Yankees more.

    WC, IMO, that proposal was very likely made at their first meeting and was not a response to the Yankees’ offer

  293. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    “he was a failure at developing the team from within.”

    —————————————–

    This is demonstrably false.

    It takes years to develop from within. The Yankee hierarchy did not let Cashman develop from within. He was put in the position to sign all these FA because the Steinbrenners refused to give him control of the team.

    The farm system was completely neglected for YEARS. And all of that was completely out of Cashman’s control.

    When a farm system is that neglected it takes years and years to make up for it. The Yankees are to this day paying for what they did to the farm system. It could take them a decade to really fully recover from it.

    Since 2006, Cashman has built that farm system from the ground up, but in 4 years there is only so much you can do.

    It is not fair at all to blame Cashman for the lack of development.

    Cashman did accomplish something getting rid of Bernie. He removed him from the team. He removed the temptation from Torre. He didn’t clog up the bench with strictly a pinch hitter.

    And again, you are reading far, far too much into his OPS from one season at the end of his career.

    The Bernie move was inconsequential anyway you paint it. It didn’t help and it didn’t hurt.

  294. Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Anybody tired of all the Jeter talk now?

    *********************************

    Hand raised!!

  295. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    the good thing about all this drama is that we are going to get an answer in the next two months.

    we will see who was right with their opinions.

    CB might be right when he says the two parties will eventually negotiate in good faith and the early posturing isn’t worth paying attention to.

    on the other hand, if cashman tries to stare down derek jeter, well, it won’t be a great career move for brian.

  296. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    So true!

  297. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    We’ll see how much people love the Yankees when and if they fall off the face of the earth without the charisma of their Capt. and a few key injuries or if they futz with Mo.

    Some love the Yanks because , in their lifetime, they’ve only won.

  298. Wave Your Hat November 23rd, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    I suspect that in the last 10 years very, very few people have said “no” to Derk Jeter.

    That could be a very big problem.

  299. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    “on the other hand, if cashman tries to stare down derek jeter, well, it won’t be a great career move for brian.”

    —————————–

    Considering his employers are fully supporting him on this and participating in these negotiations, I don’t know how you could conclude that.

  300. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    This whole charade might be a prelude to a deal with Crawford.

  301. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Odd – why would Lee’s agent even be paying attention. I’m sure when Lee decides that he will accept offers, the Yankees will be ready with one.

  302. BIG AL November 23rd, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Jeter got that 30,000+ sft home in Tampa, maybe he wants to play close to home, oh yeh, Tampa is cutting payroll.

    If Jeter wants Mantle money, I say give it to him. Mickey’s top pay day was $100K per, so, here you go Derek, $100K per, sign here, 10 years, is that good for your ego Derek.

  303. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    “It takes years to develop from within. The Yankee hierarchy did not let Cashman develop from within. He was put in the position to sign all these FA because the Steinbrenners refused to give him control of the team.”

    lgy-

    shouldn’t you start your stories with “once upon a time,…” ?

  304. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    BX33 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Can you imagine if the Mets had hired Torre & then got Jeter/Mo/Andy!

  305. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    “This is the kind of speculation that adds to the panic in the fanbase and is careless and baseless.”

    —————————–

    Spot on pat.

    Great post.

  306. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    The only way that Jeter and Ruth/DiMaggio/Mantle are being compared is as team/city icons. $80,000 a year in straight baseball salaey during the depression is worth how much now. Mantle, along with Williams, Mays and Musial were the highest paid players of their day. Yanks make a bundle off of Jeter and Rivera. I’m sure that they don’t want those names on the backs of Sox/Mets jerseys.

  307. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    3/60 and the Yankees make a big money donation to the Turn Two foundation.

  308. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    “Considering his employers are fully supporting him on this and participating in these negotiations, I don’t know how you could conclude that.”

    owners don’t fire themselves.

  309. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Randy’s blind view of the stats in regard to bernie is puzzling. You COULD look at the 3 prior seasons where Bernie wasn’t very good offensively or defensively, or you could look at that last season he played with your eyes like a real fan and you would have seen a slow bat, a slow outfielder, and a guy on his way out of baseball.

    The constant overuse of stats to make a point has gotten sickening, watch the games and you’d see that Bernie was done (evidenced by his lack of continuing to play baseball) and Torre was going to over use him.

    Watch the games, folks

  310. BIG AL November 23rd, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Jeter is dismantling his image, and when he goes into a slump, instead of chants of Derek Jeter, he’ll hear Boooooooooo!

  311. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Randy, I know you don’t like Cashman, but he is very well respected around the game (has lots of friends) and his ownership loves him. I don’t want to get into a debate about how good a GM he is because I doubt we’ll ever convince each other, but he’s going to be here a long time and whatever he’s doing with Jeter, he’s doing it with Hal’s blessing

  312. BX33 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    “CB might be right when he says the two parties will eventually negotiate in good faith and the early posturing isn’t worth paying attention to.”

    The Yankees recent comments, specifically Cashman’s, suggests that negotiation is not an option. They are basically telling him to test the market if 3/$45 isin’t good enough. If they give him even a dollar more, they would be caving.

    It will come down to Jeter being reasonable and accepting the Yankees over. The comments from the Yankees suggest that this isin’t an “opening” offer that will go up as time goes on. And if Jeter’s camp felt that it was, they wouldn’t have felt the need to insult the initial offer. He obviously felt it was a firm offer.

    One side has to cave for this to become a smooth negotiation again. Yankees have talked so tough, it will make them look awfully weak if, after insulting the guy like this (relatively speaking), they are willing to offer 4 years or $20+ million AAV. Jeter will look weak as well if he accepts it after his agent made a stink about it.

  313. MorningPerson November 23rd, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    And I always hate when his board devolves into “we’ll see who was right.” It’s juvenile.

    Nobody wins here.

    If they don’t reach an agreement – who’s happy? Not Jeter. Not the Yankees. Not the fans. OH, I guess the people who predicted Jeter would sign elsewhere will be happy, right?

  314. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    “owners don’t fire themselves.”

    They also don’t hire people who won’t execute their plan.

  315. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Yogi Berra received a paycut from 50 thousand to 45 one season. And his salary was only in the 300k range based on todays value, so its not like they cut him a bunch. 320 to 300k

  316. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    I love Jeter, I love Mo, I love all the players????but I love the Yankees more.

    I saw you post this before. I too am a Yankee fan 1st, and that is why I am concerned. I believe Jeter/Mo/Andy & Lee provide the best path for success for #28. Take them away and how do the Yankees do it? Sign more FA like Werth/Crawford $$ & trade Swish/Gardner/Nunez/Montero plus others to get replacements! To me that would be blowing up the team and mortgagig the future.

  317. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    A lot of this is not about the money.
    Jeter has been insulted and told to go elsewhere.
    He will.
    He might not get the money he wants but he certainly will not go the poorhouse anytime soon.
    Wrong move by the Yanks, I guess they don’t want him.

  318. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    “Cashman did accomplish something getting rid of Bernie.”

    lgy-

    you don’t like bernie.
    you don’t like jeter.
    you don’t like torre.

    just exactly why do you like the yankees?

  319. BIG AL November 23rd, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Willie Mays best pay, $165K per & Mantle $100K per.

  320. YsGuy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    so i’d guess $15M is, what, 3 times jeter’s actual value as a player? i love the guy, but, c’mon guy, that was a gift as it was and he wants more?

  321. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    At the end of the 1968 season, Mantle, as the only name in town was offered a raise to play one more year. He refused the offer because he said that he was no longer able to run out doubles or go to third on a single. When the expansion draft came, he put out the word that if he was drafted (Seattle wanted to make him their first pick) not to bother because he would retire first.

  322. Giuseppe Franco November 23rd, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    I’m obviously in the minority, but I couldn’t possibly be less interested in the Jeter negotiations.

    A deal is going to be worked out eventually. I could do without the daily soap opera.

  323. MorningPerson November 23rd, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Jeter was told to shop the offer around. He was not told to go elsewhere. sheesh.

    I’m done. Can’t read this stuff anymore. Getting unnecessarily agitated over something that ultimately does not do anything for my life.

    have fun boys and girls. I’ll be happy to talk about anything else, but can’t deal with this topic anymore.

    Have a good night and a Happy Thanksgiving.

  324. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    “just exactly why do you like the yankees?”

    ———————————-

    I like to win.

  325. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    There is no a contract I have negotiated “that got signed”, where both parties didn’t accommodate the other side to some extent. Even if one side has the leverage, they give something as they want good feelings to survive any animosity that accumulated during the negotiations. You have to work together and no one likes being given an ultimatum. The idea is to create a win-win.

  326. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    sic…is not a contract

  327. RayVT November 23rd, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    BIG AL November 23rd, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    LOL! Time value of money from 1965 till now would probably mean that $100K is $25M in today’s dollars.

  328. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    “One side has to cave for this to become a smooth negotiation again.”

    it won’t be jeter.

    just look at all the experiencing he’s had negotiating.

    he’s pretty good at it.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....eter/women

  329. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    A deal is going to be worked out eventually. I could do without the daily soap opera.
    =================
    GF

    I am not as sure of that as you.
    I always thought this was a potential hornet’s nest and only those in denial would dispute that now.
    Precedent has been set in regard to the new mgmnt. and their contract negotiations in the post-George era.

  330. G-C November 23rd, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Giuseppe,

    Post of the day!

    Its really annoying to have to read 1000 + posts a day on this.

  331. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    “I like to win.”

    looks like you’ll be rooting for the red sox when they sign jeter and rivera for 2011.

  332. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Jeter was told to shop the offer around. He was not told to go elsewhere. sheesh.
    =========================
    In so many words they told their icon to take a hike, so to speak.

  333. YsGuy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    jeter’s value to the red sox is maybe $4M as a player and another mil of two just for the kick of taking him from the yankees. thats still not even half what the yankees already put on the table. $15M for jeter in 2013 will very likely be the worst contract in baseball as it is.

  334. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    :arrow:

  335. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Jeter’s and Hal’s mommas need to take over these negotiations and get it settled. It would take about 5 minutes for that and about 6 hours to get to the real business at hand of swapping recipes and showing pix of their darling boys laying bare but on a rug at age one.

  336. PittsburghYankeeFan November 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    (1) Jeter. The guy is worth $10 million per year max x 2-3 if his name was anything other than Derek Jeter. More like $6-7 million with incentives, if he thinks he’s going to get better next year. Yanks made their very generous offer (if the offer is true), and Casey Close chose to negotiate in the media–bad move, Boras wannabe. He wants an ARod deal for ego reasons–tough. At the end of the day, Derek’s mom and dad are going to get involved and figuratively smack him upside the head. This will end up at $15-16 million x 3 with an option year tied to incentives, and he will take it. He loses future endorsements big time if he moves–don’t delude yourselves otherwise. Good work so far Cashmoney.

    (2) Rivera. $18 million x 2 is a lot for a 41 year old, even one who is still the best in the biz. I’d get creative and offer $16 x 1 with incentives, and an option year based on incentives.

    (3) Lee. He’ll get AAV around $23 million x 5-6. Texas won’t come close. They’ll offer $20 million per year and say the income tax makes it a wash. Lee and his agent weren’t born yesterday.

    The payroll still comes in at around $200-210 when they sign Andy.

  337. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    ” You COULD look at the 3 prior seasons where Bernie wasn’t very good offensively or defensively, or you could look at that last season he played with your eyes like a real fan and you would have seen a slow bat, a slow outfielder, and a guy on his way out of baseball.”

    so you don’t want to look at bernie williams right handed .936OPS in his last year, but want to look at previous years?

    i guess that means you don’t want to look at jeter’s last year either, but previous years instead.

    and jerkface, i’m pretty sure my eyes have forgotten more than yours will ever see.

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    It’s likely that only Derek Jeter and his family, Casey Close, Brian Cashman, and Hal Steinbrenner are privvy to the real negotiations taking place. I seriously doubt that even Randy Levine or Lonn Trost have full information.
    If somebody leaks information to toy with the media and have them speculate or fuel hot rumors, it’s only bits and pieces but nothing etched in stone to allow an exclusive story.
    When a press conference is called it becomes believable and not until.

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