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Yankees offer arbitration to only Javy Vazquez

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 23, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Rangers BaseballBrian Cashman has said the Yankees will offer arbitration to only one of their Type A-B free agents.

Javier Vazquez will be offered arbitration. No one else.

The plan would be extraordinarily risky, but Ken Rosenthal reported this afternoon that the Yankees have already been assured that Vazquez will turn down the offer. If he were to accept, Vazquez would be in for a hefty payday on a one-year deal. If he declines, Vazquez will land the Yankees a compensation draft pick. He’s a Type B free agent, and already the Nationals and Marlins seem to be showing interest.

The Yankees elected not to offer arbitration to any of their other compensation-eligible free agents: Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera, Lance Berkman or Kerry Wood.

There was initially a report that Wood would be offered, but the Yankees already refused an option in his contract, and arbitration would have amounted to roughly the same thing. There was never much reason to expect an arbitration offer for either Berkman or Pettitte.

As for Jeter and Rivera: A one-year deal does not seem to be a bad scenario for the Yankees, but those would be for substantial money, and it seems the Yankees aren’t willing to risk that sort of payment, even on a one-year deal.

UPDATE, 6:57 p.m.: For the record, the Yankees also declined to offer arbitration to Austin Kearns, Nick Johnson, Chad Moeller and Marcus Thames.

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225 Responses to “Yankees offer arbitration to only Javy Vazquez”

  1. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Darn, I love Kerry – wanted him back

  2. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    lgy-

    you don’t like bernie.
    you don’t like jeter.
    you don’t like torre.

    just exactly why do you like the yankees?
    __

    Not LGY, but:

    I love Bernie.
    I like Jeter.
    I don’t like Torre.

    But it’s a business and that should never be forgotten.

    It was time for Bernie to go.
    It is time for Jeter to be realistic about what he may have left.
    Torre…He is the monster that George created.

  3. Giuseppe Franco November 23rd, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Repost

    I’m obviously in the minority, but I couldn’t possibly be less interested in the Jeter negotiations.

    A deal is going to be worked out eventually. I could do without the daily soap opera.

  4. ericns1 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    It will work out – GF you are spot on!

  5. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    “I like to win.”

    looks like you’ll be rooting for the red sox when they sign jeter and rivera for 2011.

    ————————————————-

    I am not sure how amped up I can get about “winning” 3rd place.

  6. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Actually let me add to that for the sake of discussion.

    randy,

    Can you explain how the Red Sox would build their team factoring in the contracts of Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera?

  7. BIG AL November 23rd, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Just as a reference; The average workers salary in 1965 was $6,000 / year. In 2010 the average was $48,352, roughly 8X’s increase.

    If Willie Mays made $165K, and you multiplied that by 8, today a player of his abilities should be making $1.32 million.

    Free agency, what a great thing!

  8. BJK November 23rd, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Yankees Have Yet To Offer Cliff Lee A Contract
    By Tim Dierkes [November 23 at 6:01pm CST]
    6:01pm: The Yankees have not made Lee an offer and the Yahoo report below is inaccurate, according to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News (on Twitter).

    Shocker.

  9. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    # mick November 23rd, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    A deal is going to be worked out eventually. I could do without the daily soap opera.
    =================
    GF

    I am not as sure of that as you.
    I always thought this was a potential hornet’s nest and only those in denial would dispute that now.
    Precedent has been set in regard to the new mgmnt. and their contract negotiations in the post-George era.

  10. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Anyone who loved Bernie, as I did, knew it was time for him to stop. He looked old and slow, and while he got some big hits, the droughts inbetween became longer and longer.

    I wanted him to hang it up in 2005 to preserve his .300 average, but he HAD to keep playing and drop it to .298. I hope Jeter doesn’t drop his average like that.

  11. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    To help you out randy

    “To be safe, lets say that the budget is somewhere between $150-$160 million. This would give them about $50 million to address holes at 1B/3B, catcher, the outfield, and the bullpen.”

    http://www.bostonsportspulse.com/?p=3793

    How are you spending $60 million?

  12. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Can’t do that Al. A major league ballplayer is not an “average worker”. The multiple of 8 is way low.

  13. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    “Free agency, what a great thing!”

    It’s not baseball:

    http://www.epi.org/economic_sn....._20060621/

    In 1965, U.S. CEOs in major companies earned 24 times more than an average worker; this ratio grew to 35 in 1978 and to 71 in 1989. The ratio surged in the 1990s and hit 300 at the end of the recovery in 2000. The fall in the stock market reduced CEO stock-related pay (e.g., options) causing CEO pay to moderate to 143 times that of an average worker in 2002. Since then, however, CEO pay has exploded and by 2005 the average CEO was paid $10,982,000 a year, or 262 times that of an average worker ($41,861).

  14. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    “A deal is going to be worked out eventually. I could do without the daily soap opera.”

    Ditto.

  15. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    No Nick Johnson?

  16. BIG AL November 23rd, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    This tpoic is beat to death – Later.

  17. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Jeter’s and Hal’s mommas need to take over these negotiations and get it settled. It would take about 5 minutes for that and about 6 hours to get to the real business at hand of swapping recipes and showing pix of their darling boys laying bare but on a rug at age one.

  18. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Keep in mind the Red Sox already spent $12.5 million of that by picking up Big Papi’s option.

    So really you have about $47 million to spend.

  19. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    # mick November 23rd, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Jeter was told to shop the offer around. He was not told to go elsewhere. sheesh.
    =========================
    In so many words they told their icon to take a hike, so to speak.

  20. YsGuy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    repost

    jeter’s value to the red sox is maybe $4M as a player and another mil or two just for the kick of taking him from the yankees. thats still not even half what the yankees already put on the table. $15M for jeter in 2013 will very likely be the worst contract in baseball as it is.

  21. Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 23rd, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Repost

    I’m obviously in the minority, but I couldn’t possibly be less interested in the Jeter negotiations.

    A deal is going to be worked out eventually. I could do without the daily soap opera.

    **********************************
    Post of the day. :)

  22. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    “In so many words they told their icon to take a hike, so to speak.”

    $15m a year for three years is taking a hike?

    Heh.

  23. Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 45 million for 3 years is not the #yankees final offer to jeter. if they havent bumped it up already, they do intend to.

  24. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    BloggingBombers Source: the reported six-year, $140 million offer from the Yankees to Cliff Lee is not accurate. No offer has been made, the source said.

  25. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Rich

    That changed today when Cash opened his mouth.
    No need to play hardball, not at this stage.

  26. Giuseppe Franco November 23rd, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    # ericns1 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    It will work out – GF you are spot on!

    ————

    I suppose it shouldn’t surprise me given it’s Jeter and the media has decided to run with it. But it does kind of surprise me how much of an overblown story this has turned out to be.

    Both sides are using the media for leverage and to get a better deal.

    But, in the end, both sides know they need each other and a deal will get worked out. In the meantime, I hope something else happens so that the LoHud boards aren’t polluted by another 10,000 Jeter negotiation comments for the next couple of weeks.

    I may have to take a leave from LoHud for awhile if that’s the case.

  27. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    ”He should be nothing but a New York Yankee. He chooses not to be.” — Brian Cashman

  28. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    randy,

    Woops. That blog was underestimating arbitration raises.

    The money you have to spend is down to $41 million.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/bl.....x-payroll/

  29. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 45 million for 3 years is not the #yankees final offer to jeter. if they havent bumped it up already, they do intend to.

    **************

    Heyman was right on the 45 for 3 let’s hope he’s right this time. I bet he is, because you KNOW where that came from. Another Yankee leak of course.

  30. Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    pcaldera Cashman wants Jeter back + wants him to be treated fairly. ‘And we want to be treated fairly. We’re not just going to write a blank check.’

  31. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    mick

    You are overlooking the condition precedent: Jeter’s agent (who wouldn’t say anything that his principal, Jeter, didn’t approve of) called the Yankees strategy “baffling.”

    Cash was right to respond to such silliness.

  32. Erin November 23rd, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    OK, I think I’m Jeter-ed out for the evening. LOL

    Have a good night all.

  33. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Maybe the media attention will push both sides to a resolution….if they are actively swapping offers then I take that as a potential good sign.

  34. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    WCYF

    You do like to stir the pot. We may have to buy you a bigger spoon for a Christmas gift.

  35. Rich in NJ November 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    I’m out too. I have a DVR that is overflowing.

    Time for Avatar.

  36. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Yeah I think we should go back to arguing over whether or not addiction is an illness or not.

    Or perhaps we could examine the definition of a hero again. I’m not sure if that was ever resolved.

    Trevor Hoffman was offered arb by the Brewers. That might be good for a few posts.

  37. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Rich

    I don’t care if Jeter asked for 100/5, there is a way to do things.
    They obviously are far apart but that is common in negotiating.
    You don’t insult the other party. Not an icon like Jeter.
    Work it out privately, not in the press.
    Classy.

  38. Giuseppe Franco November 23rd, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    # Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Yeah I think we should go back to arguing over whether or not addiction is an illness or not.

    Or perhaps we could examine the definition of a hero again. I’m not sure if that was ever resolved.

    Trevor Hoffman was offered arb by the Brewers. That might be good for a few posts.

    ————

    Regardless what side you’re on, that dialogue last one thread.

    This Jeter stuff has been going strong for at least a couple of weeks and threatens to go on a couple more.

  39. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Jeter’s Predictable Predicament
    By NATE SILVER

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

  40. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    lgy-

    you think you know how john henry will react if jeter and rivera are a available to him.

    it’s never happened before.

    you think because of the way they’ve run their franchise the red sox will stick to what they’ve been doing.

    henry would jump at getting jeter and rivera if he gets the chance.

    he would go down as a legendary baseball owner and it would be the biggest story in sports.

    if jeter doesn’t sign with the yankees, he’ll go to the red sox.

    you don’t think jeter and pedroia would make a good double play combo?

    i think they’d be pretty good.

    if that happens , who’s our shortstop with the yankees?

  41. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Did we ever figure out if Alex is a True Yankee?

    Or if Wang is an ace?

  42. Asd November 23rd, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    I don’t think Javy and his camp would lie to the Yankees, they’ve had a pretty good relationship, but then again crazier things have happened.

  43. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    randy,

    That’s all fine and well, but until you actually implement a realistic plan under which the Red Sox pay Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera, then it is all fantasy talk.

    Henry has said again the payroll with be about $170 million, which means any money above that is getting the luxury tax.

    Stop talking fantasy. It does nothing for the discussion.

    How are the Red Sox paying Derek and Mo? Who are they passing over on the FA market to sign those 2?

  44. YsGuy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    give me a break, jeter’s not worth anywhere near $15M x 3 to the red sox, they’d never offer that kind of money. if jeter wants to be a red sox, he’s gonna have to take half or less than what the yanks already put on the table.

    i like jeter but get real people, he’s not worth $5M as a player, anything above that is for services rendered and to be rendered over years to come. the sox are not a factor in this.

    cash is right, let him shop that offer, he’ll be back to the table real quick.

  45. BTX November 23rd, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    “SI_JonHeyman 45 million for 3 years is not the #yankees final offer to jeter. if they havent bumped it up already, they do intend to.”

    Then why all the tough talk about them already making a very fair offer and telling him to go out on the market to get a better one?

    If Heyman is right, sounds like the Yanks are starting to cave. They saw the media reaction and intend to bump their offer.

  46. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Pat – I bore easily. lol

  47. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    John Henry has tried to steal yankee players before, he always gets outbid.

    If he wants to sign Jeter for 4 years let him.

  48. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    That’s all fine and well, but until you actually implement a realistic plan under which the Red Sox pay Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera, then it is all fantasy talk.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Hasn’t every contract and trade suggestion been nothing but fantasy talk? The trade talks appear to have been made in FantasyLand.’

  49. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Cash is right ………they shouldn’t have to write a blank check, and they won’t

  50. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Heyman is unreliable, unless its a Boras client.

  51. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    “Henry has said again the payroll with be about $170 million, which means any money above that is getting the luxury tax.”

    henry said that before he realized he might have a chance to sign derek jeter and mariano rivera away from the yankees.

    when you own a business and the opportunity of a lifetime comes, you throw out the budget and bet the business.

  52. ZMAN November 23rd, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 45 million for 3 years is not the #yankees final offer to jeter. if they havent bumped it up already, they do intend to.

    —————

    You knew the Yanks wouldn’t hang firm – they never do.

    If this is true, victory for Jeter. He didn’t even have to wait long for the Yanks to react to the backlash and “up” the offer. Even if it’s by a dollar, Jeter looks good.

  53. RMS November 23rd, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    “I don’t care if Jeter asked for 100/5, there is a way to do things.
    They obviously are far apart but that is common in negotiating.
    You don’t insult the other party. Not an icon like Jeter.
    Work it out privately, not in the press”

    Could not agree more.
    Jeter has always shown class on and off the field. He has represented the Yankees well.

  54. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Ok the Brewers had an agreement with Hoffman like the Yanks had with Javy.

    GF,

    I’m all for moving on and I’m definitely not turned off by off-topic discussions but I think this Jeter talk is going to be popping in and out of here until the deal is done or something bigger comes along. It’s not as iog a deal as the media wants it be but it’s probably the biggest story going on in late November.

  55. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    randy,

    So you are asserting that the Red Sox will go with a $200 million payroll if they have the chance to sign Jeter and Rivera?

    That is the stance you are taking?

  56. Vineyard Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    ‘The Yankees have not made Lee an offer and the Yahoo report below is inaccurate, according to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News’ (on Twitter).

    ================

    So much time ‘Tweeting’ that his blog has turned into a ghost town.

  57. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    What would Nucky Thompson do?

  58. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    iog = big

    ??

  59. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to go to a 200 million payroll and sign good players like Cliff Lee , Carl Crawford, and Jason Werth?

  60. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    “Hasn’t every contract and trade suggestion been nothing but fantasy talk? The trade talks appear to have been made in FantasyLand.’”

    —————————

    There is a difference between trade for Justin Upton! and the Yankees should trade X, Y, and Z for Justin Upton.

    For it to be worth discussing or considered at all, there needs to be terms attached.

  61. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    I seriously doubt the Yankees will budge, if they do, because of media reaction. It’s not like they care what the media thinks and even if they did, who in the media is killing them?

  62. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    lgy-

    you didn’t mention who you thought would be the yankee shortstop is if jeter is teaming up with pedroia on the red sox.

    oh, and who’s the closer for the yankees in 2011, if rivera is closing for the red sox.

    you don’t think john henry would blow the budget for a few years to see the yankees totally screwed.

  63. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Wow, so Heyman says something and it’s absolutely true.

  64. Asd November 23rd, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    “if that happens , who’s our shortstop with the yankees?”

    Well, according to MLB 2K10, which “computer controls the offseason” Jeter goes to Free Agency, Accepts and offer from THE ORIOLES! (Ha) and “A. Paul” is the new shortstop.

    Yeah… right.

  65. Vineyard Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    “A deal is going to be worked out eventually. I could do without the daily soap opera’

    ==============

    Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. :-)

  66. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    You’ve not been paying attention to the idiotic trade suggestions, then. Even MLB2010 blew up laughing at them.

  67. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Heyman sure was correct about the 3 year $45 wasn’t he?

  68. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    randy,

    If I let Jeter walk to the RS, I would first use that money to sign Carl Crawford.

    After that I would explore trade opportunities with one of our excess OF + minor league pitching excess for a SS. I would also reach out to Juan Uribe’s agent.

    If I let Mo walk to the Red Sox, I would sign Rafael Soriano to close AND Kerry Wood to set up using the money that I was going to use on Mariano.

    If you really think the Red Sox would roll with a $200 million payroll, then I am not sure what to respond to that.

  69. Giuseppe Franco November 23rd, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Both sides are going to budge. That’s how negotiations work.

  70. mick November 23rd, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    “A deal is going to be worked out eventually. I could do without the daily soap opera’
    =========================
    How you people are so clairvoyant is beyond me.

  71. CB November 23rd, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    John Henry has a pretty interesting set of problems to deal with right now. The Red Sox are obviously going through significant change and uncertainty.

    But Henry just also bought Liverpool LFC which has been on of the largest soccer teams in the world.

    People may dismiss soccer here but that sport makes all other sports in the world look rather small. There’s a game that will be played next monday in spain – just a regular season game – that will draw an estimated 400 million viewers around the world. 400 million.

    The problem with Liverpool however is that Tom Hicks was the most recent owner and he ran the team into the ground. They are awful right now and in very big trouble.

    Soccer is a very cash intensive sport because rather than making trades players are bought. If Henry wants to make Liverpool better over a reasonable period of time he’s going to have to shell out a great deal of cash. That cash is going to have to come from NESV – the same entity that owns the Red Sox.

    In addition, if Liverpool is going to achieve financial parity with other clubs in England they need a new stadium. Stadium in european soccer aren’t paid for publicly. It’s the club that has to pay for the stadium.

    A new stadium is going to cost 500M at minimum. Probably more.

    Henry made a shrewd purchase of Liverpool as he essentially bought the club out of bankruptcy from Hicks. But that club will need a potentially enormous infusion of cash and that’s going to put financial pressure on the parent entity which also owns the Sox in the near term, especially if they decide to build a stadium.

  72. Vineyard Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    WCYF:

    ‘Another Yankee leak of course’…………………….

    ============

    I have a leak I like to sell you too. LOL !

  73. MoRings42 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Cano was robbed. lol unbelievable. It’s time to rename the award to The Best Numbers award.

  74. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    “So you are asserting that the Red Sox will go with a $200 million payroll if they have the chance to sign Jeter and Rivera?”

    sure , why not.

    the red sox are all about growing their brand.

    they’d be the most talked about franchise in sports.

    the yankees would have no shortstop and no closer.

  75. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:36 pm
    Wow, so Heyman says something and it’s absolutely true.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    he wasn’t the first to report those numbers and still no proof that they are accurate. heyman’s nephew can’t people doubt him.

  76. Jerzz November 23rd, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    It would look awfully weak of the Yanks to increase their offer after the firm comments Cashman made today.

    How much more against themselves are they going to bid? They tell him to go out on the market, yet they are prepared to increase their offer? Something doesn’t add up.

  77. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    In the time and space continuum where Jeter becomes a Red Sox SS and Mo is their closer, Hanley Ramirez gets traded to the Yankees for Ramiro Pena and Soriano agrees to a 2/$10M deal.

    Fantasyland is a fun place!

  78. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    He was the first to report those numbers. And they are clearly accurate.

  79. CB November 23rd, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    “seriously doubt the Yankees will budge, if they do, because of media reaction. ”

    See this is why the Yankees are leaking this information and taking this “hard” stance right now.

    They want people to believe this – they want them to have this perception.

    Because later on when they reach a compromise it will appear that they made substantial concessions which will allow Jeter to save face and this whole process will be forgotten.

  80. Lucky Nucky November 23rd, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    I would shoot the arbitrator and cut my own deal in the backroom.

  81. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    CB, I’m not sure what you’re getting at…….what does this have to do with the Yankees budging because they are getting flak from the media?

    I would be very disappointed if they do……yet another cave job.

  82. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Who will be the 17,499th amd 17,500th MLB players in history?

  83. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Jeter saving face by getting 4 years? I don’t agree…….he’s getting exactly what he wants (knowing 5 or 6 years is all but impossible). I hate giving him 4 years.

  84. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    randy

    It’s clear that living among the enemy has influenced you.

    You sound like a RS fan. :lol:

  85. Yank 97 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    “It would look awfully weak of the Yanks to increase their offer after the firm comments Cashman made today.”

    Did you read Hank’s comments after A-Rod opted out?

    Bottom line – it is in this organization’s DNA to bid against themselves. 3/$45 is more than fair and they are giving him MORE? For what?

    And if they wanted him to save face, they wouldn’t have insulted him by telling him to go on the market. This is classic reaction to the media. Again, IF this is true.

  86. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Vazquez has turned down at least one two-year offer worth about $20MM? Wow.

  87. Giuseppe Franco November 23rd, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Betsy,

    When was the last time you saw a negotiation by two parties and neither side budged an inch before getting a deal done?

    That’s the nature of negotiations. Both sides have to come to a compromise. Otherwise, it would be called an ultimatum.

  88. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Vazquez has turned down at least one two-year offer worth about $20MM? Wow.

    ——————————————————————————-

    He’s waiting so he can join Mo and Jeter in Boston.

  89. CB November 23rd, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    “It would look awfully weak of the Yanks to increase their offer after the firm comments Cashman made today.”

    Or it will look very conciliatory and make it appear that Jeter was treated very fairly as both sides compromised. The yankees gave up more than their 3yrs/45M and Jeter got less than the 5-6 years he wanted but more than the yankees initial offer.

    The two sides are likely far less rigid in their thinking about this than the fans and media are.

  90. West Coast Yankee Fan November 23rd, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    I knew Cashman read my posts, I just knew it! lol Good boy Cash. Go make a deal.

  91. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Vazquez is gambling that he can get a better deal next year and asking for 1 year instead of 2 according to reports not from Uncle Jon Heyman.

  92. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    GF, you’re right – and I really don’t think he’s going anywhere. I’m still upset at the idea of giving a 37 year old player 4 years …….we’ll be stuck with him if he doesn’t bounce back. Or, if he does bounce back for one or two years, we’ll be stuck with him for the remainder. I adore the core 4, but when they go, we’ll be able to get back to normal. Until then, we have to pay the piper.

  93. YsGuy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    yeah, randy is right if the red sox jump in and pay jeter 4 times what he’s worth to them, the yankees will be left fielding only 8 players all year next year because obviously jeter is the only ss available.

  94. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2489222

    While declining to discuss the specific terms, Cashman said Close responded to the Yankees’ initial offer with one of their own. The Yankees have since countered with a new offer, Cashman said.

    Cashman also said the Yankees declined to offer Jeter arbitration by Tuesday night’s deadline, meaning they’re going to have to work this out through old-fashioned negotiations.

    Offering arbitration was viewed as too risky because players almost always receive raises through the process. Because Jeter made $21 million last season and the Yankees are trying to lower his salary, it’s quite plausible that he would have accepted the arbitration offer.

    Instead, Cashman and Close will have to continue talking. The overwhelming opinion throughout the baseball world is still that the Yankees and Jeter will ultimately find common ground. But now it’s painfully clear the road there will be significantly rockier than either side had once hoped.

    “He has a personal decision to make,” Cashman said of Jeter. “We hope he chooses the Yankees. But it’s his choice. We can’t make it happen.”

  95. 108 stitches November 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Somehow I just can’t picture Mariano coming out of the Boston bullpen while Neil Diamond is blaring “Sweet Caroline” in the background.
    He has No. 42 as a Yankee because the number was grandfathered in when Jackie Robinson’s No. 42 was retired throughout baseball so he could no longer wear No. 42 after his career as a Yankee is final.

  96. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    randy,

    I am about to get really crazy on you :)

    Sign Crawford, Uribe, Soriano, Wood
    Trade Gardner+Granderson+pitching prospects for Colby Ramus

    Crawford
    Swisher
    Tex
    Alex
    Robbie
    Posada
    Rasmus
    Montero
    Uribe

    CC
    Lee
    Andy
    Hughes
    AJ

    Logan, 2nd LOOGY, Nova, Robertson, Joba, Wood, Soriano.

    BOOOOOYAAAA!!!!!

  97. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    I feel dirty. Like what Chip and Bret the Hitman must feel after constructing that roster :lol:

  98. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    At the end of the day, Hal and the Yankees are more comcerned about taking a big hit in public relations than they are in taking a small hit in the wallet.

  99. Vineyard Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    ‘He was the first to report those numbers. And they are clearly accurate’.

    ===================

    Where did they come from ? Or just Hot Stove hearsay BS ?

  100. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Since Cashman said the Yankees made more than 1 offer, maybe the one that wasn’t 3/$45M was the “fair offer” he was referring to.

  101. Vineyard Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Who will be the 17,499th amd 17,500th MLB players in history?

    ===============

    Who cares.

  102. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    ” It’s clear that living among the enemy has influenced you.”

    maine yankee-

    yes, it could be a form of post-traumatic stress disorder from being surrounded by red sox nation for so long.

    of course, you would’t be far behind me considering how many red sox fans there are in maine.

  103. christina12 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Jeter’s agent didnt like the fact that Yankees were negotiating his case in the media. That is the reason why he said that he found it baffling. Jeter is a very private person and he doesnt like hearing things in the media. I cant believe that Cashman said that Jeter doesnt want to come back to New York. That is low. Cashman is throwing a tantrum like a 3 year old. Why should Jeter accept a 15 million dollar deal when Arod is making close to 30 and he is signed until 42? Texeira is making 23 million, CC is making 23, Cliff Lee is going to get 23 million, Arod close to 30 million and the captain is going to make 15? That would be embarrasing. If I was the Red Sox I would trade Scutaro give Jeter a 4 year deal at 18 million per year and make him DH after couple years.

  104. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    randy

    Up here the population isn’t so dense so I do have some breathing room.

  105. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    CB-

    which is more interesting to you?

    the derek jeter negotiations,

    or the Prince William’s engagement and the royal wedding ?

  106. Asd November 23rd, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Uribe? Ewwww. No.

  107. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:05 pm
    randy

    Up here the ***population isn’t so dense*** so I do have some breathing room.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I don’t know about that. I’ve met a some people from Maine and none of them could be confused with Einstein.

  108. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    randy

    Do you think the RS would sign Jeter for 4 years when they wouldn’t sign V Mart for that long?

    Seems to me V Mart has more value to them for his offense, but what do I know.

  109. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    “Uribe? Ewwww. No.”

    ———————–

    Who do you think was better last year, him or Derek?

  110. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    GB7

    You shouldn’t talk about being confused. I read your post here. :lol:

  111. Vineyard Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Betsy
    November 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    ==============

    Thanks for that post. :-)

  112. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman

    getting mixed messages now. doesnt sound like the #yankees are intending to bump their offer to jeter from 45 for 3

    ***This reminds me of the Santana trade-talks; every day, something new

  113. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    the difference in offense is made up by the fact that jeter can catch and throw.

  114. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    maine yankee-

    because signing martinez wasn’t the biggest story in sports.

    if the red sox sign jeter , it would be the biggest story and coup in the sports world.

  115. EA November 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    SI_JonHeyman

    getting mixed messages now. doesnt sound like the #yankees are intending to bump their offer to jeter from 45 for 3

    ————

    Then why the hell did you report that they were intending to bump the offer? lol

  116. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    GB7

    You shouldn’t talk about being confused. I read your post here.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You must have read it on one of my bad days, then.

  117. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Vineyard, you’re welcome!

    Boy, this whole process stinks. I hate picking at a player I love and who has been such a great and classy player…………but I hate to think of my team in a bind because we keep giving these unfortunate contracts.

  118. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    “the difference in offense is made up by the fact that jeter can catch and throw.”

    —————————-

    You think Jeter is better defensively than Uribe?

  119. Vineyard Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    LGY
    November 23rd, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    =============

    Can I pay you a $ 1 to substitute Swisher for Gardner on your roster ?

  120. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Uncle Jon H. isn’t quite so sure of things when boras isn’t feeding him “scoops”.

  121. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    randy

    If the RS did it for that reason it would be one of the “dumbest” stories in sports.

    And you complain about Cashmans moves.

  122. Asd November 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    >Who do you think was better last year, him or Derek?

    With Jeter it’s a you expect him to do ehh and sometimes you get Yeah! With Uribe he’s only Yeah! when it really doesn’t count.

  123. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    ” I’ve met a some people from Maine and none of them could be confused with Einstein.”

    gb7-

    what are you talking about?
    i was born in maine.
    i understand the theory of relativity.
    i understand i have 67 first cousins on my fathers side.
    up there it’s all relative.

  124. christina12 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Victor Martinez is not Jeter. Can you imagine the controversy? The ratings are going to hit the roof. The sellout streak is going to continue and people are going to be excited that the Red Sox sticked it to the Yankees. Its going to be the event of the year.

  125. Vineyard Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Randy

    The bride to be.

  126. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
    “the difference in offense is made up by the fact that jeter can catch and throw.”

    —————————-

    You think Jeter is better defensively than Uribe?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I was talking about Martinez. Why would I talk about Uribe?

  127. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    “With Jeter it’s a you expect him to do ehh and sometimes you get Yeah! With Uribe he’s only Yeah! when it really doesn’t count.”

    ——–

    I have no idea what this means.

  128. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    GB7

    How do you tell the difference?

  129. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    “I was talking about Martinez. Why would I talk about Uribe?”

    ————————–

    If that is the case, there is no way he makes up for it. V Mart was a huge part of the Red Sox offense last year.

    Both Derek and Martinez are poor defensively anyway.

  130. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm
    ” I’ve met a some people from Maine and none of them could be confused with Einstein.”

    gb7-

    what are you talking about?
    i was born in maine.
    i understand the theory of relativity.
    i understand i have 67 first cousins on my fathers side.
    up there it’s all relative.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    They must have migrated from Northern Georgia.

  131. CB November 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Didn’t Jeter once date this Kate person?

    Can’t we combine the two of the more overblown stories in the country and conflate them into a single mass of uninteresting?

  132. Vineyard Yankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Betsy
    November 23rd, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    So much all at once, a good time to lay low and hibernate till the turkey pops out of the oven.

  133. LGY November 23rd, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    CB,

    Which Red Sox player is Kate dating now?

  134. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    The Red Sox only grow their brand by winning. Signing Jeter would be counter-intuitive. They’d get about 5 seconds of press and then a seasons worth of agony as Jeter kills their offense and cripples their payroll.

  135. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    CB November 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 pm
    Didn’t Jeter once date this Kate person?

    Can’t we combine the two of the more overblown stories in the country and conflate them into a single mass of uninteresting?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I suppose we could take a survey on how many people think that Queen Lizzie says “excuse me” when she breaks wind at the breakfast table.

  136. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    GB7

    They must have migrated from Northern Georgia

    ——————————————————————-

    It’d be hard to tell. Where randy is from is kind of a hick town.

  137. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    I love anything Royal, so that’s very interesting to me……..

  138. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    GB7

    Queens don’t do that.

    That’s just for the commoners.

  139. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    What a pleasure to watch. Mark Belanger and Bobby Grich turning a DP. MLB-TV showing DP combos

  140. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Any chance the Jays won’t offer Downs arbitration?

  141. Carlo November 23rd, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Tex, CC, Arod…..all guys that will and deserve to make more money than Jeter in 2011 and beyond. The comparisons being used are absurd. Jeter was paid for his last 10 years as a yankee with a very big contract. All u who think he deserves more are kidding yourselves because u will all be proven wrong if he tests the market. He won’t get half of the $45 mm guaranteed he is being offered. He, not Cashman, is acting like a child. He wants to be a true Yankee then he should take the 2x market deal the yankees are offering him and stop being a petty pig.

  142. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    What a pleasure to watch. Mark Belanger and Bobby Grich turning a DP. MLB-TV showing DP combos

    —————————————————————————-

    Will that be like watching Jeter and the elf next year?

  143. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    “They’d get about 5 seconds of press and then a seasons worth of agony as Jeter kills their offense and cripples their payroll.”

    jerkface-

    if you really believe that, it would seem to follow that you’d think the yankees should let jeter go as a free agent because you don’t seem to think he can play anymore.

    is it your position that the yankees shouldn’t sign jeter at all?

    who do you think should be the yankee shortstop for 2011?

  144. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    GB7

    Queens don’t do that.

    That’s just for the commoners.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    LMAO. I’m so common. But, it’s possible that since nobody heard it, it didn’t happen.

  145. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    If Jeter plays for another team next year he won’t know when his turn to bat is.

    There won’t be any Bob Shepherd intro.

  146. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:31 pm
    GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    What a pleasure to watch. Mark Belanger and Bobby Grich turning a DP. MLB-TV showing DP combos

    —————————————————————————-

    Will that be like watching Jeter and the elf next year?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Boston needs to keep the grass cut short so Jeter can see him when he looks down.

  147. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    “There won’t be any Bob Shepherd intro.”

    bob shepard left the intro to jeter in his will.

    jeter takes it wherever he goes .

  148. Wave Your Hat November 23rd, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    “The two sides are likely far less rigid in their thinking about this than the fans and media are.”

    Probably, but it got publicly contentious very quickly. I wonder.

  149. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    randy

    I’m going to your home town on Fri.

    If I see a guy with overhalls and a JD cap turned sideways I’ll tell him randy says hi. :lol:

  150. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    maine yankee-

    we both spelled Bob Sheppard’s name wrong.

    that’s a sure sign we’ve been hanging out with gb7 for far too long .

  151. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    if you really believe that, it would seem to follow that you’d think the yankees should let jeter go as a free agent because you don’t seem to think he can play anymore.

    is it your position that the yankees shouldn’t sign jeter at all?

    who do you think should be the yankee shortstop for 2011?


    First of all, the point is that if the Red Sox sign Jeter, it means they beat the Yankees offer. That means the contract will be longer than necessary and cost prohibitive. They already have Scutaro and Pedroia, so they don’t even need Jeter, so it’d basically be a waste of space that they’d spend 20 million a year on. Its really far fetched, but if they did it’d go as I said.

    I think they should sign Jeter, so he can get 3000 hits as a yankee. However, if they didn’t I wouldn’t be torn up about it, and I certainly don’t want him to sign for more than 3 years. I thought 2 years was perfect, Jeter gets a chance to bounce back and they can always offer him another 2 year deal if he does, setting the yankees up to make a run at Hanley or Tulo in 4 years.

    I think Jeter would be a valuable player at short for 15 mil and 3 years. Getting up to 20 years and 4+ years though, I think he loses his luster.

    Especially if his diminished ability to hit right handers, and putting the ball on the ground, and not recognizing the slider away continues.

  152. Wave Your Hat November 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    If the Red Sox want to sign Jeter for 4 years and $60M, let them. They won’t though.

  153. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    randy

    I’m going to your home town on Fri.

    If I see a guy with overhalls and a JD cap turned sideways I’ll tell him randy says

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Perhaps you shouldn’t have told Randy that. Now they’ll move the town. Of course that’ll take about 30 minutes.

  154. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    It really just comes down to the fact that the Yankees are going to be stuck with Jeter’s contract if he really is in decline…………If they give him the 4th year and he’s shown he’s in decline even by year 3, then what? Then we’ve got a situation where we have to play him – because we’re not going to sit him. We don’t have any replacements ( I don’t love Nunez), so I guess that’s in Jeter’s favor. I can see the Yankees bending a bit on $$$, but not on years.

  155. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Jerkface

    If you aren’t to thrilled with Jeters defense, I’m not sure you’d be to happy with Hanley.

  156. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    “I’m going to your home town on Fri.”

    “It’d be hard to tell. Where randy is from is kind of a hick town.”

    maine yankee-

    once i tell my cousins what you said about farmington being a hick town, next time i visit up there, i won’t be surprised to see you stuffed up on the wall right next to the out of season moose and bear that stumbled into their yards.

  157. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    GB7

    If he has as many cousins as he says I could be talking to most of the town.

  158. DocTodd November 23rd, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    What is it with Boston and midget athletes?? Red Sox have Dustin Pedroia, Patriots have Danny Woodhead…….it’s like the Land of Oz with these munchkins….

  159. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    jerkface-

    ok, so you got a little carried away saying jeter would be an offensive liability for the red sox.

    it happens to the best of us.

  160. christina12 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    yea CC deserves 23 million for taking the ball every 5 days and Tex deserves 23 million after a putrid two months in the spring and of course Aj deserves almost 17 million for taking the ball every 5 days and having an ERA of 5. The problem is not so much that they are not willing to give him more than 15 its the fact that Cashman went to the media and embarrased him. Jeter never ever went to the media to complain about anything and this is what he gets in return. When was the last time Cashman complained to the media about negotiations with players? That is disgusting. If I was Jeter I would never come back after this spectacle. I would rather retire than come back to shake Cashman’s hand.

  161. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Yanks plan should be to pursue Troy Tulo after the 2014 season. The more of the next 4 years Jeter can hold down the better but there will be a good option available shortly after his next contract is up.

  162. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Prime Nine’s most lopsided trades ever, next. Should be interesting

  163. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    # i feel like a yo-yo but i want to get it right. i heard right the 1st time. expect #yankees to improve the $45 mil for 3 bid less than 5 seconds ago via web

    http://twitter.com/si_jonheyman

  164. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Betsy

    I think to much is being made of Jeter being in decline.

    It happens to all athletes and usually before their last contract is up.

    Because this is Jeter and the Yankees it gets more press than most any other player.

  165. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Hal speaks:

    NEW YORK (AP) -Hank Steinbrenner has a message as the New York Yankees negotiate to re-sign Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera.

    “As much as we want to keep everybody, we’ve already made these guys very, very rich, and I don’t feel we owe anybody anything monetarily,” the Yankees co-chairman said Tuesday. “Some of these players are wealthier than their bosses.”

    “Do we want to keep Derek? Of course we do, obviously,” Steinbrenner said. “Obviously we all want to keep Derek and we all want to keep Mo.”

    Steinbrenner remains confident deals will be reached to keep the pair.

    “I don’t think in the end they will be unreasonable,” he said. “It’s going to come down to what’s fair for everybody considering all circumstances.”

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....thru.0551/

  166. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:48 pm
    GB7

    If he has as many cousins as he says I could be talking to most of the town

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You shouldn’t have any problems, then….if….you….talk…..really….slow…

  167. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    “Yanks plan should be to pursue Troy Tulo after the 2014 season.”

    isn’t that when cashman will tell cano to go test his free agency if he doesn’t like the yankee offer ?

    it’s very complicated being cashman .

  168. Tyler November 23rd, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Can you imagine if Javy accepted? Hahahah that would be such a cruel joke.

  169. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Remember that agreement between the union and the league which was designed to bring sanity to the free agency process? Remember that part that imposed “restrictions on the abilities of the Clubs, players and agents to
    conduct their free agent negotiations through use of the media?”

    Yeah, that’s working pretty well, ain’t it?

    – Craig Calcaterra

  170. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    GB7

    We get accused of being slow up here so I guess that will be easy.

  171. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Maine, yes , but the Yankees are going to have to tie up so many years in him………if he’s in decline then what are we going to do? Nothing – we’ll have to play him. I can’t say I’m overly optimistic about the team.

  172. Eroc November 23rd, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    SI_JonHeyman
    i feel like a yo-yo but i want to get it right. i heard right the 1st time. expect #yankees to improve the $45 mil for 3 bid

    ===========

    Well, then the “tough talk” from Cash today appears a bit foolish. Was his intent to tick off Jeter more before increasing the offer?

  173. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    “isn’t that when cashman will tell cano to go test his free agency if he doesn’t like the yankee offer ?”

    probably……Cano might just say okie dokie and cash a big pay check from someone else though.

  174. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    The article says Hank……….and these quotes are ridiculous.

  175. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Anyone know what CAIRO is? Is it some kind of computer that spits out projections……..like what Bill James does except computerized?

  176. D-Man November 23rd, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Now Hank is giving us his input? Yankees are going to INCREASE their already-high bid?

    This thing has turned into a freak show.

  177. YsGuy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    here’s where jeter screws the yankees twice.
    first, he turns down this offer of about 3x his actual value, forcing them to give him a 4th year, then he’ll refuse to move off ss and the yanks will be stuck with a 40 y/o ‘icon’ (actually a statue) at ss.

  178. Wave Your Hat November 23rd, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Betsy, CAIRO is a player projection system (like PECOTA) that SG uses over at Replacement Level Yankee Weblog.

  179. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    blake -

    all kidding aside . the yankees have to scrap that no- negotiation- until- a- contract- is -over position.

    it simply doesn’t work in today’s environment.

  180. christina12 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    WOW! What the heck happened here? Jeter’s agent is right. They cant shut their mouths.

  181. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    ok, so you got a little carried away saying jeter would be an offensive liability for the red sox.

    Nick’s not here to snap you for this, but no, I didn’t, but you certainly did suggesting the Red Sox would pull out all the stops to acquire a player on the down slope of his career that wouldn’t have even been their 4th best middle infielder last year. Nice try, though.

  182. Tom in N.J. November 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Who let Hank out?

  183. Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    If it’s 4 years, I project Jeter to finish the contract with 3,726 hits, 530 short of Pete Rose at age 40.

    4,000 will be within striking distance and it would be epic.

  184. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Wave, who’s SG?

    I don’t believe in them, but apparently CAIRO came out with there’s today and they had some intersesting “projections”…………..

    Thanks!

  185. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Betsy

    That is one of the risks teams have to deal with when they have the success of the Yankees and have players like Jeter.

    It’s great while they are at the top of their game put hard to watch when they near retirement.

    Being a Bears fan you must have seen it with them at times.

  186. yankeefeminista November 23rd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    LOL, you knew we would be hearing from Hank sooner or later. They can’t shut up indeed. Meanwhile they are upping the offer. Politics as usual in the new Yankee Uni.

  187. randy l. November 23rd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    jerkface-

    if jeter is as bad as you think he is, then why should the yankees even bother signing him at all?

    for any amount.

  188. blake November 23rd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    “all kidding aside . the yankees have to scrap that no- negotiation- until- a- contract- is -over position.

    it simply doesn’t work in today’s environment.”

    It does complicate things….the thing is that sometimes you get a better deal on an extension. I really don’t understand why they continue to operate that way. Just think if the Cardinals took that stance with Pujols and refused to discuss extension with him until after his contract was up.

  189. Bret The Hitman November 23rd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    How hot is future Princess Kate?

    ooooof

  190. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Ledger made a pretty big misquote in their tweets:

    @Ledger_Yankees Let me correct this Cashman quote on Jeter. “He should be nothing but a New York Yankee, if he chooses to be.” My apologies everyone.

    Correcting:

    @Ledger_Yankees “He should be nothing but a New York Yankee. He chooses not to be.” — Brian Cashman, on Derek Jeter and the negotiating process.

  191. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Oops. It was Hank.

    I thought it sounded too boorish for Hal.

    Bottom line? Jeter has earned more money than Hank’s allowance and that makes Hanky vewy angwy!

  192. Wave Your Hat November 23rd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Betsy, I don’t know who SG is, he goes by SG over there (boy I feel dumb).

    I believe CAIRO uses weighted projections from previous seasons, park adjustments when required, and I believe (although I could be wrong here) age adjustments and adjustments based on career paths of most similar players.

  193. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Maine, I understand that………….and it really hurts to be having to side against Jeter or any of the guys I love, but I’m concerned about the future of this team….and if long-term contracts for too much $$ are going to hurt, then it bothers me.

  194. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:00 pm
    Anyone know what CAIRO is? Is it some kind of computer that spits out projections……..like what Bill James does except computerized?

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    The biggest city in Africa and an ex-Yankee ballplayer.

  195. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Wave, thanks!

    Do you believe in these kinds of projections?

  196. Jerkface November 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    http://www.rlyw.net/index.php/.....ke_contact

  197. YsGuy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    when last we heard from hank, he was engineering the worst contract in yankees history, now he pops up again and its probably gonna cost the yankees tens of millions again.

    just shut up hank.

  198. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    GB, lol………….

  199. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    I guess Hal could muzzle Hank for so long – those are classless comments, but hardly surprising.

  200. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    GB7

    The biggest city in Africa and an ex-Yankee ballplayer.

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    Was Cairo another one that Cashman told to go find a better offer?

  201. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    and still looking.

  202. yankeefeminista November 23rd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Uh-oh, Hank is just smokescreening, my crystal ball says he has a 10 year deal up his sleeve for Jete. He and that City Hall retread are quite the pair. lol.

  203. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    I guess he was in denial (De Nile)

  204. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Maine, I always liked Cairo as a utility player for NYYs. 1st base was a mistake, though.

  205. yankeefeminista November 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    On a brighter note, Mark Newman says if there are no visa issues, DePaula will be state-side next year. :)

  206. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
    I guess he was in denial (De Nile)

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    Alex(andria) and Cairo….a dynasty in the making?

  207. Wave Your Hat November 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Betsy-

    I believe they have some merit, as long as you don’t get too carried away. To me they are most useful when aggregated to look at entire team performance, because it’s very hard to “guestimate” that sort of thing.

    The other thing I find them useful for is to keep my enthusiasms in check. For instance, I’m often tempted to project next year’s performance of a player I like more optimistically than a player I don’t like.

    The other thing to keep in mind is that there is a lot of variation around those projections. Also, different projection systems often don’t agree, so I wouldn’t put too much faith in any particular one.

    And, never forget, garbage in, garbage out, so be alert for any assumptions about a player’s performance that might skew the results.

  208. Yanks78 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    CAIRO projections seem very accurate for 2011.

    The Bill James ones are always overly optimistic. They project Montero to have a higher wOBA next year than Cano.

  209. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Tut, tut, tut, GB – you should know better than to start up with those puns again.

  210. Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Wave, thanks! I just glanced at theme, but I won’t bother…. things are going to play out the way they are going to play out. One projection will tick me off because it’s too negative, but then I’ll get happy about a positive projection…….and it will all be worthless because the players will determine it all once the season starts.

    Yanks, I just only saw the Phil one………….I’ve been iffy on him but I think that if he improves his secondary pitches he could make those #s look pretty stupid

  211. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Oh, Oh!!! Wait until Erin finds out that Robbie Cano has made the big time. He now has his own FATHEAD.

  212. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Betsy November 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    Tut, tut, tut, GB – you should know better than to start up with those puns again.

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    It was pharaohly clever of you to start it.

  213. Eroc November 23rd, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    “The other thing I find them useful for is to keep my enthusiasms in check. For instance, I’m often tempted to project next year’s performance of a player I like more optimistically than a player I don’t like. ”

    That’s the big positive with CAIRO – it seems to be the most “realistic” of the projections. Maybe not the most positive, however.

  214. pat November 23rd, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    A Robbie Fathead is nice but wait until she hears someone has started a petition for Cookie Monster to host SNL.

  215. David in Cal November 23rd, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    I know some people are accusing the Yanks of playing hardball. Maybe they are, but they could be even tougher if they wanted to. E.g.

    1. They could have offered Jeter only 2/25 or 2/30, which would still likely beat any other team’s offer.I don’t think he could get any more than 2/20 from another team.

    2. The Yanks could put a deadline on their offer, after which they would sign some other SS.

    The Yanks have offered probably double what any other team will offer. Jeter will eventually sign with the Yanks whether they increase their offer or not. The Yanks don’t have to play hardball.

    For the sake of the team and Jeter, I do hope he signs sooner rather than later. I’d like to see him start working with Kevin Long on his hitting ASAP.

  216. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    This will be must see TV. Poor Donny Baseball. He’d have been better off managing the Mets.

    •The divorce between Frank and Jamie McCourt is now final, according to the AP (on ESPN). The McCourts await a decision that will determine whether Frank has sole ownership of the Dodgers or whether he shares the club with his ex-wife

  217. Jerzz November 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    SI_JonHeyman

    RT thats why we get lied to a ot. sometimes its hard to tell the truth from fiction. i do believe this is only yanks’ first offer

    Well, that was an awful lot of bickering the past couple of days for a “first offer” that the Yanks are seemingly willing to increase.

  218. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    pat November 23rd, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    A Robbie Fathead is nice but wait until she hears someone has started a petition for Cookie Monster to host SNL.

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    Who’s your guess on the culprit? Erin or Erica?

  219. Wave Your Hat November 23rd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Cashman’s quotes today didn’t appear to be contemplating a higher offer anytime soon.

  220. Giuseppe Franco November 23rd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Someone needs to put a new reinforced muzzle on Hank. It took him a few years to gnaw through the first one.

  221. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    heyman’s so screwed up on this rumor that he doesn’t know whether wind his butt or scratch his watch.

  222. Yogi Mantle November 23rd, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    All we are hearing regarding the various offers are to frame the arguments to keep salaries somewhat in line.

    I take Cashman’s talk to be an effort to show Jeter the offer is fair value and then some. The RS aren’t going to spend what it takes to get Jeter to sign there.

    Jeter will do whatever he can to maximize his value, the Yankee brass will do their part to keep it in line.

    Same with Mo.

    I think Cashman is holding off on making an offer for Lee till some other team puts out theirs.

    The Media loves this stuff. It keeps people checking in.

  223. MaineYankee November 23rd, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
    heyman’s so screwed up on this rumor that he doesn’t know whether wind his butt or scratch his watch
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    That’s so old that some of the younger ones here might think you made it up. :lol:

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