Next season just got a lot easier
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 24, 2010 
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Fear not Yankees. Bryan Bullington is gone.
The Royals journeyman who held the Yankees to two hits through eight innings back in August has left Kansas City to sign with the Hiroshima Toyo Carp of Japan’s Central League.
If his Major League career is over, the win against the Yankees will certainly stand as Bullington’s high point. It’s his only victory in 26 big league appearances. A.J. Burnett threw a complete game that day, but Bullington baffled the Yankees lineup.
The first overall draft pick in 2002, Bullington turned out to be a complete bust. Except for one game.
Didn’t Trisha say that guy was awesome? So much for the former first rounder.
I remember that game. At one point I think I even shouted “how are you not hitting this guy” at my TV. LOL
teams will just find another guy like him!
His start represented exactly what was wrong with our offense in 2010.
Top 5 in all major offensive categories and we were 2 hit by a journeyman 26yr old who never had a win.
“I wouldn’t count him out of having 2 more 200 hit seasons with his normal 15-17 homers, 30 doubles, 100 runs scored, 75-85 RBI and 15-20 steals.”
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The ONLY time in his career where Jeter had 200 hits, 15+ HR, 30+ 2B, 100+ runs scored, 75+ RBIs and 15-20 steals was 1999.
Making up stuff is fun
Jeter is a has been. I guess there are no mirrors in his house. I agree with Hal and am glad he said it. Jeter the team player who has more money than God and declining skills wants to stink out the joint how many years? Why? Because his name is Derek Jeter? Sorry. I’m into winning world series not caring about the ego of captain GIDP. He’s not worth $15 mil. Good for the Yankees. He needs the Yankees. Not the other way around. I hope he walks.
“I’ll admit, I didn’t expect it to come to this.”
chad-
that’s because you don’t know that dark evil controlling side of cashman that wants to let players know who’s the boss.
every now and then he lets it out before he reels it back in when reality rips him a new one.
his behavior and attitude right now doesn’t surprise me one bit .
he’s bitten off more than he can chew right now though with jeter and rivera.
unless he goes through an attitude adjustment, he’s going to find coal in his stocking this winter.
the stress is already getting to him with him whining about him not having time to get to lee because he has a shortstop to sign who’s being uncooperative.
i actually think CB’s scenario has the highest likelihood of happening where the yankees hardball it now and then look magnanimous in backing off their extreme position later with jeter giving in some too.
however, when there’s two bulls in the china shop with randy levine and hank, anything can happen.
that said i think by the time next spring that CB”s other favorite interest – prince willie and katie’s wedding – takes place, jeter and rivera will be winning games for the yankees.
Do we really need to read your fictitious fantasy babbling twice, Randy?
Only win was against a team with a 200 Million Dollar Payroll? embarrassing? Jeter as the captain should take a million dollar a year hit just for this game alone?
I kid? about the Jeter comment?
Jeter is a BIG has been. I guess there are no mirrors in his house. I agree with Hal and am glad he said it. Jeter the team player who has more money than God and declining skills wants to stink out the joint how many years? Why? Because his name is Derek Jeter? Sorry. I’m into winning world series not caring about the ego of captain GIDP. He’s not worth $15 mil. Good for the Yankees. He needs the Yankees. Not the other way around. I hope he walks.
The only Mr. Hyde scenario coming out here is Jeter no longer caring about winning, and now only looking out for himself. A real shame from the guy who said he never cares about personal accolades.
“that’s because you don’t know that dark evil controlling side of cashman that wants to let players know who’s the boss.”
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Yeah, it has nothing to do with the purpose of his job. Which is putting the best team on the field possible now and in the future
?Jeter and his agent, Casey Close, recently met with Hal Steinbrenner, Randy Levine and Cashman in Tampa, Fla. Jeter said it was a simple meeting, not too complicated, and that a position change was not discussed.?
This is per Jonathan Abrams of The NYT on Nov 11th, 2010 after talking to Jeter at Torre?s Safe at Home Foundation fundraiser in NYC.
Cashman is not concerned with winning baseball games. Just putting players in their place.
blake November 24th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Anybody tried one of those electric turkey fryers?
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I prefer dropping a frozen turkey into hot oul to watch them fly.
hot ***oil***
GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
I prefer dropping a frozen turkey into hot oul to watch them fly.
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“Randy — now Cashman is Darth Vader? So what would YOU pay Jeter and Rivera?”
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randy wants to pay Jeter $7 million a year until he is 47.
The guy is evil trying to cut Jeter’s pay by 70%. Be careful with him.
GB,
I was just wondering….I thought it might reduce the risk of me blowing myself up tomorrow
Erin, watching flying turkeys without feathers and a head is quite a sight.
“Do we really need to read your fictitious fantasy babbling twice, Randy?”
jerkface-
for anyone who says the red sox had four middle infielders better than jeter last year like you said last night, i’d say you should probably read as much of me as you can.
GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Erin, watching flying turkeys without feathers and a head is quite a sight.
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LOL
I can only imagine.
Blake, seriously, I’m the last to ask about cooking. I have no problem with those that do cook….as long as I’m invited for dinner and 2 days of left overs.
GB7,
Me too….problem is that if I want fried turkey I have to do it.
I wanted to fry a turkey once but apparently there are some laws against doing such things in your New Jersey backyard.. Bought it from Jive Turkey instead!
I don’t think either side of this argument is changing their mind……im out on the Jeter talk….wake me at the press conference announcing the captain is back.
OFF TOPIC…..
Erin
My daughter is a gossip mag junky and she was saying Swisher’s wedding is coming up. The people likely to attend could be make up a whole issue of People Magazine.
In his second to last season, Ted Williams was injured and hit less than .300 for the only time in his life. The Sox then offered him the same $125,000 as a salary for what would be his last season. Ted said to the owner, “I didn’t earn my money last year. Give me $90,000 this year, and I’ll make it up up you.” They did, and he did.
Ted Williams was in two wars, ans flew 39 combat missions in the Korean War. That included a flaming crash landing. He did have his faults, but he was a genuine as they come. THAT is an icon!
lgy-
a young player isn’t going to take a ten year contact that in effect defers money because it would impact years he’d still be playing.
if an older player takes a contract that pays him when he’s no longer playing why should he care.
the yankees have a pig through the python situation with a lot of players getting to the end of their careers at the same time. deferring some payroll off into the future is simply a device to ease the problem in the short run.
however the problem is as you said last night that jeter might be playing 6 years from now. so i guess he should have an opt out option after 5 years
fried turkey’s are extremely overrated, and they ruin the skin which is my favorite part of birds :/
Jeter looks old and plays old. Too much time with the broad with the cankles and zits on her chin. I hope he disappears for good. He sucks. He can’t hit anymore. He turned into captain tangibles and the tangibles got out of dodge. Just like he should.
pat-I know, I can’t wait to see all of the pictures from this wedding! Last I read, it’s on December 11th.
And speaking of Swisher, he’s got a birthday tomorrow.
Good for the Yankee organization. For once they are paying for the present and the future and not the past. Bye Jeter.
I’m starting get hungry with all of this turkey talk.
I’ve never had fried turkey, but a friend of mine swears by it.
Flying turkeys remind me of the Thanksgiving show on “WKRP In Cincinnati” when they decided as a publicity stunt they’d give away turkeys. They dropped live turkeys from a helicopter.
Arthur Carlson (station owner): “As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.”
Erin -
The television show that his wife-to-be is on (I forget the name of the show, but I kinda like it) – well, her character is planning a wedding on that. Must be surreal, huh?
I don’t think either side of this argument is changing their mind……im out on the Jeter talk…
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How else will we make fun of Randy
“n his second to last season, Ted Williams was injured and hit less than .300 for the only time in his life. The Sox then offered him the same $125,000 as a salary for what would be his last season. Ted said to the owner, “I didn’t earn my money last year. Give me $90,000 this year, and I’ll make it up up you.” They did, and he did.
Ted Williams was in two wars, ans flew 39 combat missions in the Korean War. That included a flaming crash landing. He did have his faults, but he was a genuine as they come. THAT is an icon!”"
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Jeter needs to rethink his position and look to the great example of Ted Williams. Jete has made over 205 million in his career but the writers call his greed: “competitive nature” in sports and contracts. He’s one greedy sob and he doesn’t take prisoners. Cash should dare him to go somewhere else lol.
erin – it’s really no different than a regular turkey. if no one told you if it was fried or not, you would never know unless you went looking for pieces of skin.
the biggest thing is the time it takes to prepare. if you don’t have 5 hours to oven cook a turkey (and not over cook), the fried might taste better to you :p
Shame
Jive turkey?
That’s in Brooklyn right?
Truth is that in WWII, Ted Williams never left the States. He was a flight instructor…not his fault. Jerry Coleman, however was a Marine pilot in both wars and gets mostly overlooked.
Erin
Also…….. Don’t know if you read through the comments last night but there is a petition going around on Facebook for Cookie Monster to host SNL.
You and Erica should look to get involved and further the movement.
ID – I’d argue it depends on where you’ve had it. I also prefer a crispy skin, so that too could make a difference. The inside is just so moist and the skin is almost bacon crispy! I loved it!! But this year, with no room in the oven, we’re doing the turkey on the grill which we’ve had really good results with in the past.
ID,
False. Fried turkey is much better especially if injected with the right performance enhancing spices.
If I recall correctly, nothing ever happens in Yankeeland over Thanksgiving. Let’s all give thanks for our proper perspective about Jeter(whatever that position may be) and talk and think about something else.
MP-Joanna’s show is Better With You (I like it too). It is cool that both her and her character are planning weddings.
Morning Person
I only saw her new show once but she seems to be playing a character pretty similiar to the one she did on Reba.
Quirky girl, involved with weird guy and her family is overly involved in her life.
LGY – Yep, its in Brooklyn. They have a St Pattys day one they do as well, which is made green by using herbs. It looks radioactive but I bet it tastes delicious..
Irreverent Discourse November 24th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
erin ? it?s really no different than a regular turkey. if no one told you if it was fried or not, you would never know unless you went looking for pieces of skin.
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good to know. Doesn’t sound like I’m missing much. LOL
Why does Jeter stay with cankles, I mean Minka? He sure blew it with Jessica Biel.
There is another place in Brooklyn on Atlantic Ave (I think they have another location in Park Slope also) called The ChipShop.
They have twice fried cherry pie. Amazing!
They used to have fried cheesecake, but the NYC Health Dept. put the kibosh on that.
Following some of these viewpoints on this Jeter stuff cracks me up.
How exactly are the Yankees the “bad guys” here?
They offered Jeter a contract that still makes him the highest paid SS in the game by over 40%!
If that’s “insulting”, we should all be so “insulted” in our lifetime.
The offer is a fair offer. They have given him the option of shopping it to see if he can get a better offer from another team.
The problem from the Jeter side is simple. He has no leverage. Nobody is going to pay him more than 15 million a year.
So, it’s either take the Yankees offer or go play for someone else for a LOT less.
That strategy worked out well for Johnny Damon this past year, didn’t it?
As far as brand building, the Yankees have the #1 brand in sports. Nobody sells more merchandise and no other sports brand is as recognizable as the interlocking NY.
It’s a contract negotiation. There is always rhetoric on both sides. Thats just part of the deal.
Derek Jeter will eventually re-sign with the Yankees and life will go on.
He’s just not getting 20 million a year. Nor should he.
“How else will we make fun of Randy”
lgy-
you call you, jerkface , and rich in nj a “we” ?
i call you guys myth makers as in “once upon a sabermetric time, …”
you guys are like the grimm brothers with the stories you make up.
Cankles will spend the 15 million in short order as she will rationalize that 15 million is not much compared to 200-300 million.
pat November 24th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Morning Person
I only saw her new show once but she seems to be playing a character pretty similiar to the one she did on Reba.
Quirky girl, involved with weird guy and her family is overly involved in her life.
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sounds a lot like her real life….Swisher is quirky and a little off center.
pat-I did hear about Cookie Monster’s SNL campaign. If anyone hasn’t seen his “audition” video, I highly recommend it. Classic stuff.
That would be awesome if he did get to host-that would be the first time I’d make a point to sit down and watch SNL in years.
SJ, you must have been reading my posts. Jeter is going to be “Damoned”. So nice to see we agree one time on Thanksgiving. And may everybody be bless lol.
Afternoon, SJ…come by to restore a little law and order in Lohudville?
SJ-the voice of reason!!
Twice fried cherry pie?! HOLY S***!!!! Thanks LGY, you just made my week! I’m a total foodie and that sounds excellent!
Michael Jordan took a one year contract to end his career in Chicago. Scored 29/game and went out on top.
Though he was a way bigger icon than Jeter, he didn’t try to (or have to) cover for declining skills by trying to cash in on an image and the heartstrings of some hopelessly devoted fans.
OUTSTANDING article by Wally Matthews on ESPN re: Jeter:
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5843900
This guy has it right. I don’t care what anyone says, Jeter stands to lose the most if he doesn’t get some kind of reality check.
Jeter is my favorite Yankee, he is a legend, one of the greatest ever. But you don’t pay players based on sentimentality. You pay them for production and the dude is almost 37 and coming of his worst season in 15 years…and it was NOT a good season. Everyone knows this and anyone who argues otherwise is only deceiving themself.
Jeter is always talked about as a Joe D classy player. Well, this negotiation will prove what a money hungry jock he truly is. My guess: he settles for 17 million/yr for 4 years.
“That strategy worked out well for Johnny Damon this past year, didn’t it?”
sj44-
welcome back.
but the point is while damon took less than the yankees offered he did leave.
i think we all agree that we don’t want to see that happen with jeter (or rivera ).
The only Mr. Hyde scenario coming out here is Jeter no longer caring about winning, and now only looking out for himself. A real shame from the guy who said he never cares about personal accolades.
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That cat’s been out of the bag when he swung at ball four to ground out to end that 2007 hitting streak he had. And, I’m not saying it was wrong to try and prolong it, anyone would have. But to say “I’m not even thinking about, team first only is a total bunch of bull.”
GB
I think it’s probabaly the story of many of our real lives.
Jessica Biel must have had a good reason not to stay with Jete. She would have been marrying up for Jete. Best to stay level headed with cankles.
What will come from this situation is moving forward, when Jeter struggles he will hear the boos from fans. If he wants all of this extra money, and he doesn’t perform up to it, i believe he will be treated as such.
Just watch, the first time he ground into a rally killing double play with the game on the line or whiffs in a clutch situation in the 9th inning.
Shame
The place is great. They have a really good beer menu too. Fish and chips or chicken fingers (battered like the fish) and chips with a beer and some twice fried cherry pie for dessert.
The only problem is making your home after all that food
The Health Dept has tried to get them to take the cherry pie off the menu, but they have made some tweaks and thankfully they are off their back now!
http://www.chipshopnyc.com/
“That cat’s been out of the bag when he swung at ball four to ground out to end that 2007 hitting streak he had. And, I’m not saying it was wrong to try and prolong it, anyone would have. But to say “I’m not even thinking about, team first only is a total bunch of bull.””
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That action spoke much louder than his hollow words when it comes to team work and winning. Good point!
Melkmanisinhotlanta November 24th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Jeter is always talked about as a Joe D classy player. Well, this negotiation will prove what a money hungry jock he truly is. My guess: he settles for 17 million/yr for 4 years.
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You mean like when DiMaggio demanded more money than Gehrig after playing only 2 years…in the middle of the Depression? That kind of non-money grubbing classy guy?
SJ
Where you been?
SJ-Welcome back!
Hope Turkey Day treats your and your family well!
How’s the nephew doing? Last time you updated the blog, he seemed headed in the right direction.
The Yankees are finally learning from contrractual mistakes and not making the same one’s year after year.
They want to keep Jeter the highest paid SS in the game, just not when he’s 42.
If Derek Jeter is batting #1 or #2 in the order in 2013 or beyond, something has gone wrong in Cash’s “get younger and stay competitive” direction.
Yankees > Jeter > any other player. Someone should show Derek this simple mathematical equation and explain by paying him what he wants, the Yanks affectively put his demands and goals ahead of their own.
That’s the last thing I want from any team I root for, no matter how important the player is to the organization.
Jeter will have to be moved down the lineup to 6 or 7 if he continues hitting those rally killing double plays. Seems 2010 were filled with them. Of course “mr. cool” is going to learn a lesson this off season.
pat November 24th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
GB
I think it’s probabaly the story of many of our real lives.
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the Yankees haven’t had a player like Swisher since Joe Pepitone and Mickey Rivers…combining talent, personality and quirkiness.
I really find it hard to believe Jeter will be playing baseball 4 years from now….
LGY
There should be a cardiologist handing out business cards and Pravachol samples outside the door of that place.
Its bizaaro world stuff that virtually no one feels Jeter should have to earn his pay on the field. The entire conversation has to include what his worth is to NYY for marketing. That’s kind of pathetic. Everyone has to bend over backwards to justify even the 3/15 offer so Jeter’s ego won’t be bruised. Yet Jeter gets put up on a pedestal as classy and professional. A pro would perform on the field and EARN his money.
SJ,
If you can indulge my curiosity for a second and lend some opinion to a topic that, IMO, was very under-publicized in the Yankee Universe.
Eiland being let go and the order of events leading up to that, mainly from his prolonged time away from the team and the apparent rift between himm and Girardi.
Are all of these issues intertwined? Or did they let him go strictly based on his performance as a hitting coach?
Any opinion or inside info.?
say one thinh it’s a good thing he didn’t have a 09 season in 10….he might be looking for 5/25
“You mean like when DiMaggio demanded more money than Gehrig after playing only 2 years…in the middle of the Depression? That kind of non-money grubbing classy guy?”
After reading Joe DiMaggio: The Hero’s Life by Richard Ben Cramer I lost all respect for JD.
randy,
I think you are underestimating the ‘making fun of randy’ contingent
LGY – I can’t wait to check the place out, I’ll let you know when I do.
As and aside: Do we live in a totalitarian society or a democratic one? If I want twice fried cherry pie or anything else to destroy my body further I should be allowed to get it, dangit.
JoeyA November 24th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
His start represented exactly what was wrong with our offense in 2010.
Top 5 in all major offensive categories and we were 2 hit by a journeyman 26yr old who never had a win
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Joey A….I could not have said it better myself…our offense was down last year vs. too many mediocre to decent pitchers like Bullington……we missed Matsui, Damon, and Hinske….as I have said till I’m blue in the face….Cashman bring back Matsui or Damon to be the part time DH and bench player, its OK to be wrong sometimes, but not OK to not admit your mistakes…or I guess sign a Bill Hall/Hinske type of player and hope Montero is good…bottom line we need some offense for this coming season as well as Cliff Lee…..
While you can’t blame Jeter for trying to get all he can, how can it be justified when the Yanks trash the face of the team for the past 15 years?
I guess the answer is he can’t take it personally, but he will.
Randy,
If you make the highest offer, by a wide margin, to a guy, and he is “insulted” by it and chooses to leave for a lot less, there is not nothing a team can do about it.
You can’t pay Derek Jeter 20 million a year because of a fear of him leaving. That’s bad business.
Derek’s brand is that of the Yankees. If he chooses to give all that up because he’s “insulted”, which I don’t believe is the case, then it would be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen a smart, keenly image conscious professional athlete ever do.
Shame,
I know right! I never got to try the fried cheesecake. Just heard about it
Apparently there was nothing they could to tweak it.
pat,
The Eiland stuff had more to do with non-baseball issues.
Larry Rothchild was an excellent choice. I didn’t think the Cubs would let him out of his deal. Good hire by the Yankees.
“I think you are underestimating the ‘making fun of randy’ contingent”
lgy-
got any stats on that
my buddy has offered to deep fry the turkey for my family this yr.
it’s been in the brine for the last two days.
can’t wait…
To all…..Happy Thanksgiving…..SJ, have you received your December / January assignments ???? Any trips to the Coast…….Derek Jeter’s new 3 year 4th year option contract will be closer to 20 than the 15 mil they offered by way of the NY Post / Daily News….
Numbers for the Yankee winter kids.
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/org.jsp?id=nyy
SJ44 – it’s the process that is disturbing, the Yankees have handled this poorly. Cashman was way out of line this early in the negotiations (barely 3 weeks after the world series ended) to say basically take it or leave it with one offer on the table.
Justin Christian looked real good this fall. Any chance we save some money on OF and make him the 4th outfielder?
sj44-
jeter to pedroia to youkillis would be the biggest story in the sports world.
jeter does have options.
it was really dumb of cashman to say go check that out your free market options.
there was no need to say that.
that was just cashman ego coming out.
you can think it, but don’t say it.
as for rothschild, i don’t see anything in his history that shows he knows how to protect arms.
maybe that should be a separate hire , but rothschild seems just a mechanics/ short term results guy and not a longevity guy.
i’d like to see a guy that keeps sabathia and hughes pitching for a long time and not just a guy who can tweak aj burnett and make him better.
SJ44 – it’s the process that is disturbing, the Yankees have handled this poorly. Cashman was way out of line this early in the negotiations (barely 3 weeks after the world series ended) to say basically take it or leave it with one offer on the table.
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That’s not what he said. He said, lets see him find a better deal than cash was offering. And he won’t!
Pat, would a 3 year + option @ $17 mil per for 3 years and the option at $12 mil with incentives would get it done?
“Jeter is a has been. I guess there are no mirrors in his house. I agree with Hal and am glad he said it. Jeter the team player who has more money than God and declining skills wants to stink out the joint how many years? Why? Because his name is Derek Jeter? Sorry. I’m into winning world series not caring about the ego of captain GIDP. He’s not worth $15 mil. Good for the Yankees. He needs the Yankees. Not the other way around. I hope he walks”
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my view exactly.
100%
jeter to pedroia to youkillis would be the biggest story in the sports world.
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Until the Yankees win the WS without Jeter.
Wasnt Cashman’s ego. It is Cashman tired of being bent over at every turn. He gets taken advantage of all the time. Mo and Posada a few years ago, Jeter now, Mariners when he had the deal for Lee mid season, etc….
I don’t blame him for being fed up with everyone acting like his offers are not more than fair.
Jeter’s 1 step program for destroying his own legacy:
Step 1. Sign with the Red Sox
It wasn’t a ‘take-it-or-leave-it’ statement. It was more like ‘check your options and come back to us if someone offers you anything better.’ Much more polite. Can’t undervalue manners.
Jeter’s 1 step program for destroying his own legacy:
Step 1. Sign with the Red Sox
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Agreed.
ac1 – that is what go find a better deal insinuates. You negotiate behind closed doors. The Yankees overreacted. Close using the word “baffled” was a benign comment that the Yankees should have ignored.
I think he stays with Cankles since he has skinny bow legs like a grasshopper and she has pudgy legs and cankles. He proly think it will make normal legs if they have a baby. Jeters been all smoke and mirrors. Or Cankles has had a had influence on him. He’s turned into a nightmare that can’t hit.
The difference between Babe Ruth and Jeter is that Ruth was traded to the yankees, if Jeter signs with him it would be malicious and short sighted. A sign of a true mercenary and a dark note to the end of his career. The fenway faithful would shower him with lusty boos as he bats .250 at the bottom of the red sox order, losing his playing time to Marcos Scutaro who would still be on the team or Jed Lowrie.
Jerkface November 24th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Jeter?s 1 step program for destroying his own legacy:
Step 1. Sign with the Red Sox
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Agreed.
Nothing in Rothschild’s history suggests he can help bring Jeter back into the fold.
No Rothschild team has ever signed a Jeter on the free market.
I know, I googled it.
June 4th, 2011, an errant AJ Burnett fastball tails in onto Jeter and hits him in his wrist. He says he is fine but goes 0-8 with 4 k’s and 4 weak outs in the next 8 plate appearances. Theo Epstein puts Jeter on the DL, preferring health over ailing performance, and Jed Lowrie takes over. The Red Sox never look back, eventually DFA’ing Jeter and eating the remainder of his 5 year deal.
Jeter finishes with the Orioles and then the Royals.
Christian is more likely to get picked in the Rule 5 by a team with little money and in need of outfield help, like Seattle, SD, ‘Zona, than make it through, but, yeah, he’d be a good pick if either Laird or Golson stumble during ST. He plays a solid defense in all three outfield spots, runs like a deer, has a bit of power and is a line drive hitter.
ac1 – “It is Cashman tired of being bent over at every turn. He gets taken advantage of all the time. ”
I don’t even think Cash would care about that stuff. It isnt as if he’s the one paying their salaries, after all. I agree with you that it isn’t ego related but I also think Cash is really just doing his job here, not worrying about what Posada or Mo did.
randy-
No one – NO ONE – will give Jeter anything near Cashman’s offer. Especially Boston. They have holes at 3rd, catcher, the OF and bullpen. The last thing they would do is overpay an old SS with no range and very little bat left.
Jeter has the ego problem, not Cashman.
was listening to mike francessa for a few minutes during lunch time and he is at it again… He thinks Mets will fill up their stadium by signing Jeter.. I just don’t get it…. and what if Jeter has a season like last year.. how could the mets front office justify signing him to a huge contract??
Jeter needs the yanks more than the yanks need him.. With or without Jeter, yanks are going to fill up the ball park and they could get a much better hitting shortstop for that kind of money.. I hope Jeter and his agent realize this soon enough..
can’t give Jeter 4 ,can’t give Mo 2 & can’t give Lee 7……
I don’t even think Cash would care about that stuff. It isnt as if he’s the one paying their salaries, after all. I agree with you that it isn’t ego related but I also think Cash is really just doing his job here, not worrying about what Posada or Mo did.
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Perhaps, but you dont think even a little bit that Cash is tired of constantly having to address that his own players continue to try to take him for a ride with the idle threat of leaving? not even a little?
I’m sure Jeter would love playing for the Mets.. I mean, they have a Shake Shack in their stadium! Can’t really beat that.
“that’s because you don’t know that dark evil controlling side of cashman that wants to let players know who’s the boss.
every now and then he lets it out before he reels it back in when reality rips him a new one.
his behavior and attitude right now doesn’t surprise me one bit .
he’s bitten off more than he can chew right now though with jeter and rivera.
unless he goes through an attitude adjustment, he’s going to find coal in his stocking this winter.
the stress is already getting to him with him whining about him not having time to get to lee because he has a shortstop to sign who’s being uncooperative”
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Randy: you need to send this to the 30 Rock building for Saturday Night Live. This is comedy gold!
“No Rothschild team has ever signed a Jeter on the free market.”
Even with MA plates, he’s funny.
can’t give Jeter 4 ,can’t give Mo 2 & can’t give Lee 7……
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maybe, yes you can, and definitely not (especially since 7 is what cc got when he was 28, and lee is almost 5 years older). Even the possibly offered 6/140 is steep, but absolutely no higher.
The Red Sox are not going to sign Derek Jeter, and Derek Jeter is not going to sign with the Red Sox.
Of all the possibilities I have read on this blog over the last two days, the only thing less likely is GB7′s fear that Jeter might not wear a Yankee hat in the HOF.
” Until the Yankees win the WS without Jeter.”
who’s the yankee shortstop for 2011.
who’s the closer for 2011 if rivera goes with jeter?
jeter and rivera are not in lockstep in these negotiations , but they can exert pressure by informally teaming up against yankee management if randy levine and hank keep running their mouths.
I don’t want to see Derek in anything but a Yankee uniform. But who works for who. His value for the past ten years has been worth every penny of his 183 mil. 3 or 4 years at 15 mil per is more than fair. That is paying him for his current production plus a little loyalty money. Derek should kick Casey Close to the side and get the deal done.
So Jeter comes back and says no team can meet your offer.
But he still wants more.
What does Cash do then?
” Until the Yankees win the WS without Jeter.”
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you know the Yankees did win before Jeter was on this team. lets also remember the yankees havent had to try to win without jeter so we dont know that they cant. they have a lot of talent on the team.
Rivera is not going anywhere.
ac1 – Honestly, I would hope it would amuse Cashman more than bother him. He really is the guy with all the power here. The Brothers Stein aside, Cashman really seems to be at the wheel. Posada took him for an extra year, sure, but he’ll be retired after next season. Mo is Mo and I think he deserves to be paid as highly as he is because he’s the most consistent closer (and pretty good at that!) in the game.
Andy gave Cashman some attitude, but did Cash blink? Nope. I think he takes this stuff in stride. Those guys aren’t the same players if they are wearing a different uniform and as long as Cashman knows that (which he does) there really isn’t any reason to get worked up over it.
So Jeter comes back and says no team can meet your offer.
But he still wants more.
What does Cash do then?
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laugh?
jeter and rivera are not in lockstep in these negotiations , but they can exert pressure by informally teaming up against yankee management
===========looks like this has already started with Mo asking for 2.
mick – then you tell him take it or leave it. But manners are important.
Randy,
Although I personally think your point of view on the Jeter brouhaha is out to lunch, I respect your solidarity with the player point of view.
However, it is overly sentimental to think Jeter’s decision has any impact on Mo’s. And the Yanks could win the WS without either of them – many teams have.
most have less problem with mo wanting two years because there hasnt been a real decline.
Randy,
If Derek Jeter goes to the Red Sox, he’s going for 8-10 million a year. If he does that, he kills his brand.
Think about it for a moment. He would be going to the Red Sox for 8-10 million because the Yankees won’t pay him 20 million? That would be the height of stupidity.
Telling him to test the marketplace is the right thing to do because it’s the only way Derek will know his true market value.
There is nothing wrong with this “process”.
It’s a contract negotiation. You are going to have rhetoric.
Neither side is doing anything wrong.
Each side is doing what they can to make the best deal they can. That’s the way it goes.
It’s best to take it less personally, tune out the noise, and just let the process run it’s course.
In the end, Jeter will re-sign with the Yankees.
Pat M,
So far, my December schedule has me in Indy on the 5th, Chicago on the 12th, and Vegas on the 22nd.
Can’t believe they don’t have a “compromise” offer at the ready….that would be manners.
Not part-ownership but an option year. Something.
is that Christmas in Vegas
What does Cash do then?
Hand him a pen.
“most have less problem with Rivera wanting two years because there hasnt been a real decline”
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that, and because his level of play has been in a different stratosphere from anyone else in the game, his entire career. The Babe Ruth of his era
mick – my assumption is they do have that ready (I don’t think he signs for the 3/45 thats been reported). As an extension of my initial assumption, I’m thinking they are – at the moment – still very far apart in how they are assessing Jeters value.
I think if this was just a matter of 4/50-60 it would be done already.
fyi, there is no such thing as provate negotiations in ny.
shame
i dont think they are budging on the 4th year unless its an option.
boston already has 2 (bad) shortstops, they need another one?
Looks like the Brother Stienbrenner’s, Randy Levine and Brian Cashman are tired of all this ” Derek Jeter is the face of The NY Yankees ‘ stuff…….We’ll show him !!!!
I’d give Mo 50 more years. The guy produces. See it’s about Jete sucking. Even Posada knows his days are numbered and said he’ll DH. Jeter lives in some huge bubble. The Yankees are about to stick a big pin in it.
SJ….The Dec 22nd date is intriguing to me, however my wife would hang me as she’s still sore about me taking off from a friends memorial last March and taking off to Vegas…..
“Randy: you need to send this to the 30 Rock building for Saturday Night Live. This is comedy gold!”
vinny -b
i do have a knack for comedy on the blog like when i cracked everyone up with saying how good a bad pitcher livan hernandez was back in 2008 .
everyone who thought i was real funny and had a good laugh last summer didn’t they?
people were rolling in the aisles when i said hughes was being rushed and would get injured if the yankees pursued that policy.
everyone was laughing so hard they pulled their left hammies just like hughes .
and when i said in early spring training in 2009 that something was drastically wrong with wang’s arm slot, that created all kinds of laughter too.
people were laughing so hard their hips atrophied.
yeah, i’m a real funny guy.
The first overall draft pick in 2002, Bullington turned out to be a complete bust. Except for one game.
Well, three years in Japan certainly seemed to rejuvenate Colby Lewis’s career, so you never know…
I would imagine that marketing people realize its time to start creating a new face for the Yankees. If Jeter is an average hitter, batting 7th and struggling in the field, then he’s not the guy you want to hype. Its Cano or perhaps Montero or someone like that. Someone younger with great stats. Especially after Jeter gets his 3000th hit. Tthey hyped the crap out of the Core Four the last two years. Its time to turn the page.
“However, it is overly sentimental to think Jeter’s decision has any impact on Mo’s. And the Yanks could win the WS without either of them – many teams have.”
wave your hat-
the yankees can get a shortstop and a closer by next summer?
“It’s a contract negotiation. You are going to have rhetoric.
Each side is doing what they can to make the best deal they can. That’s the way it goes.
In the end, Jeter will re-sign with the Yankees.”
sj44-
that’s the position that CB also takes, and i do agree that it’s the most likely scenario.
however, a once in a hundred chance does happen once in a hundred years.
we as a country are going through ignoring that possibility with the economy right now.
it’s a low probability chance jeter will be having to lower the height of his throws to second base , but the threat of that is what will move cashman and hal to that more flexible position you are saying will happen.
Tin Cup…..We’re going to cut your posting time here by 25 %……..Check out the back page of todays NY Post…….And by the way, your points were well taken from some of us here…..I had my left hip replaced back in 95 because of that, then again in 1999 and rebuilt in 2009……Too many dive for balls up the middle I suppose
“the yankees can get a shortstop and a closer by next summer?”
randy l-
They can if they act now, as the auto salesman says.
I think Jeter could be replaced on the field somewhat easily, since the money saved on him could be spent on an upgrade elsewhere such as Crawford or Werth.
Mo of course is harder (and totally theoretical since the Yanks are going to give him 2 years and a high AAV), but if he walked away tomorrow why couldn’t the Yanks sign Soriano for less?
Jeter is theoretical too, of course. He and the Yanks will kiss and make up after the fight.
I would love to get Jeter back obviously, I just dont get the people that fear what will happen to the yankees if he leaves. If he leaves that allows Gardner or someone else who gets on base more to bat lead off, and Im sure Nunez or some other SS the Yanks can get their hands on can hit about as well as Jeter did last year with better defense. Add this to a bounce back year from most of the other hitters and Id say we can make the playoffs as we did last year and perhaps win the WS.