Nothing personal between Jeter and the Yankees
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 24, 2010 
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I’ll admit, I didn’t expect it to come to this.
As Derek Jeter reached free agency, I thought he and the Yankees had too much to lose — too much of a relationship — for this to become a true negotiation. I thought both sides would recognize what they meant to one another, give in a little bit each way, and reach a quiet resolution.
As Tyler Kepner so perfectly illustrated in the New York Times, this has become a legitimate back-and-forth in which no one seems happy.
The Yankees have said they’re making a “baseball decision,” but they’ve also said these will be “business negotiations.” Those are two different things, and that’s why this is complicated.
From a baseball point of view, Jeter is an aging superstar coming off his worst statistical season. The fair market value is a little difficult to determine because it seems no other team has ever considered making Jeter an offer, but the Yankees reported offer of three years, $45 million seems fair. That’s the Yankees argument, and it’s a good one.
From a business point of view, Jeter is much more than his batting average and range at shortstop. He’s the face of the franchise, a man who has done nothing but good for the organization. It’s hard to imagine a more model employee, and in the past, the Yankees have given much more to people who have done much less. As Jeter’s representation, Casey Close has to make those arguments or he’s not doing his client justice.
As Kepner wrote: Is it so hard for the Yankees to recognize that Jeter’s impact goes far beyond statistics? Is it that much of a blow to Jeter’s pride to admit that tying for the major league lead in outs, while playing a young man’s position at age 36, is a legitimate cause for concern?
Both Jeter and the Yankees decided not to make this personal, and if these negotiations are not personal, the only things left to discuss are baseball and business. And those two don’t always agree.
Associated Press photo
This is becoming comical.
When you put up a 90 OPS+ and your boss offers you $45m over three years, you should be jumping for joy in gratitude.
It’s on all Jeter.
Edit: It’s all on Jeter.
I’m in the Yankee camp on this one. If the offer is indeed 3/45, that’s not a bad place to start. Throwing out “baffled” to the press is where this all started.
I see nothing wrong with the Yankee offer nor what the Yankees have stated except what Hank had to say last night. We can do without hearing from him since it was his negotiated Arod deal that has caused this Jeter negotiation to be more complicated than it needed to be.
Thanks Erin.
MorningPerson November 24th, 2010 at 8:56 am
If Jeter doesn?t sign with the Yankees, it will be a distraction all year. At least for the fans, anyway. Every broadcast, every lineup without him in it. Oy, can you imagine Michael Kay???? Oy.
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I think you’d have to start watching games with the mute button on.
The front office needs to stop airing all the dirty laundry and just negotiate behind closed doors. Derek deserved better than being paraded like this. I thought Cashman was quiet and stealth?
Does anybody know Closes’ counteroffer?
From what I’ve read, Jeter/Close are seeking a 5/100 or preferably a 6/120 contract.
YanksRule November 24th, 2010 at 9:07 am
I thought Cashman was quiet and stealth?
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I think normally he would be, but IMO he got really irritated by Close’s “baffling” statement.
I thought Cashman was quiet and stealth?
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He is. Which is why he was so peeved when Close made that “baffled” comment to the press. Since Close went public, the Yanks felt they had to as well. Stupidity at its best.
mick November 24th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Does anybody know Closes’ counteroffer
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I think they want a pinstriped Mustang as part of the deal.
More news to come about that later.
At this point, i dont even have an opinion anymore on the money or years. But that fact that this is so public is disgusting to me.
“We can do without hearing from him since it was his negotiated Arod deal that has caused this Jeter negotiation to be more complicated than it needed to be.”
As I said last night, it’s not fair to want to be A-Rod only on payday.
With the check comes expectaions and scrutiny not just undying love from the masses.
Kepner’s article really does articulate this “discussion” very well… definitely worth a read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11.....BYYADmlB+Q
“Does anybody know Closes’ counteroffer?”
Do we have any documentation (not some media report) of what the Yankees’ offer is?
“The front office needs to stop airing all the dirty laundry and just negotiate behind closed doors. Derek deserved better than being paraded like this. I thought Cashman was quiet and stealth?”
Then Jeter needs to tell his agent to stop making dumb comments like “baffling” to the press about the Yankees negotiating strategy.
“The front office needs to stop airing all the dirty laundry and just negotiate behind closed doors.”
Except they haven’t aired any dirty laundry, Close is the one who did that, and he speaks with Jeter’s authorization.
NYY626 – Andy in 2011
It keeps the press away from making a mess out what Andy wants to do.
Always a bright side to every story.
To be honest, I kind of like Cashman’s comments. They were direct and to the point.
$45 million for 3 yrs of what Derek has left for playing baseball on the surface seems more than reasonable. The intangible, is what is he worth in revenue generating for the team.
That said, to the average fan Derek and most of these other players make insane amounts of money, while many fans cannot afford to attend a game because of the increase ticket and vending prices. Wouldn’t it be nice if each team’s players gave back one half of 1% of their salaries to be used for qualifying families to enable them to attend a few games per season–of course this amt. should be matched by each team’s owership.
Crawdaddy November 24th, 2010 at 9:16 am
To be honest, I kind of like Cashman?s comments. They were direct and to the point.
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I have no problem with Cashman’s comments either. I do kind of wish Hank had kept his mouth shut though.
SI_JonHeyman #yankees are aware now mariano rivera seeks 2 years, not 1. remains to seen whether that turns into 2nd soap opera. #jetes
Yes, Hank needs to shut his big mouth shut, nobody wants to hear his idiotic comments.
3/45 vs 5/100, where would the middle be?
4/72.5?
That’s not happnin’
not even 4/60…
Not even the 4.
3/50? Option for the 4th?
As I wrote in a previous thread the Yanks reported offer IS a combination of baseball and business. The “Baseball offer is no more than $ 10 M a year and the rest is lifetime achievement, intangibles and anything else you want to factor in.
Brace yourself kids… I don’t expect the Yanks to budge and I don’t expect them to go multi-year @ $ 18 per for Mariano either.
This almost always happens with aging players and Jeter and Rivera are being hurt by the fact that the Yanks are stuck with Posada at $ 13.1 and have a massively insane commitment to A-Rod for the next 7 years.
Thank God for Andy Pettite!
Derek might be able to get 120 million yen.
120 million U.S. dollars? not so much.
You have to figure…when Close went to Jeter with the opening offer of 3 years, 45 million, Jeter felt stunned and embarrassed. I bet he really had no words for it. Then Close went to the press and gave the “baffling” comment.
This whole circus started when the Yankees leaked their opening offer in an attempt to pressure Jeter. I think Jeter felt insulted by the leak and the amount. He was probably in shock.
Jeter shouldn’t be shock, he was the one that hit .270 last season.
Why did they play the Hank card so soon or at all?
Like your idea longtimefan, but the players union would never approve
“Why did they play the Hank card so soon or at all?”
Hank’s a dope. That’s not news. I doubt that he can be controlled short of duct taping his mouth.
If Jeter is shocked at what the Yankees offer supposedly is, then the man is naive.
Duct tape fixes everything Rich
“This whole circus started when the Yankees leaked their opening offer in an attempt to pressure Jeter”
And you know that the Yankees’ leaked it because?
Perhaps the “baffled” Jeter camp thought that it was such an affront that they leaked it because they just knew that a soon to be 37 year old SS is worth more.
Hank has been quiet, muzzled, for a long time, since the Arod debacle.
He was allowed to speak as was Levine.
JCPD
I’m pro-duct tape.
Then Jeter needs to tell his agent to stop making dumb comments like ?baffling? to the press about the Yankees negotiating strategy.
Crawdaddy — Thats expected . . He’s the agent . .PURE SLIME !!. . .The Yankees have to be above that .
Letting them all speak takes the pressure of Cash.
“He was allowed to speak as was Levine.”
You’re very conspiratorial. I’m not.
Hank is the Fredo Corleone of the Steinbrenner family.
Craw,
Mid-life crises. He doesn’t see himself that way and he’s in denial which is why the amount shocked him and the leak probably embarrassed him. He should be embarrassed by his 2010 campaign, but again, he doesn’t think he’s 3 years and done. I think he genuinely expects more faith from the Yankees. The offer, in Jeter’s eyes, was a public display of no faith. And now the Yankees publicly dare him to test the market. If there’s a team out there lurking…someone with more faith that Jeter can reach 4,000 hits, they’ll offer a long-term deal.
Put it this way.
Jeter averages 207 hits/season.
A 4 year deal where he averages 200 hits/season puts him at 3,726 when he’s 40.
He’d be 530 short of Pete Rose and 2 part time seasons away from 4,000.
If Jeter commits himself to conditioning and practice (and no one doubts he has the competitive drive to continue to do just that) he’ll reach that milestone.
The Yankees seem to want no part of it.
The other teams?
Who knows?
The comment Close made was after several public comments had already been made by the Yankee front office and an offer had been leaked to the press. Jeter has yet to say a word and nobody knows if he directed Close to say anything or if he said it on his own…..yes Jeter is responsible for what his agents says but he isn’t dictating his words to him and its doubtful he would fire him over one statement…….so we really don’t know what Jeter is thinking here. Bottom line is that this is public because the Yankees wanted it to be….Jeter stands to gain nothing from negociating this the way it has been.
One thing is for sure…..im tired of talking about this.
Close said “baffling” to try to get a groundswell of support from the fans and/or media.
Chad, when you write each side should “give in a little”, haven’t the Yankees given in more than a little by offering to make him the highest paid middle infielder in the game at age 37? (next season).
The best shortstop (Hanley Ramirez) only makes around $11 million per season. The highest paid middle infielder (Chase Utley) makes $12.5 million per yr.
This offer makes Jeter the highest paid MIF by far & this is for a guy with limited range at S.S., little power, struck out over 100 times last yr., hit into over 20 GIDP, with one of the lowest OBP% on his team.
Maybe the Yankees should have started out with a more appropriate 2 yr. $18 million offer & then “given in a little” & come up to the offered amount.
I’m a big AROD fan, & I will be the first to tell you they made a big mistake giving him that many yrs., why should they compound that mistake with another one.
Its unbelieveable the sense of entitlement these players have.
blake
“The comment Close made was after several public comments had already been made by the Yankee front office and an offer had been leaked to the press”
You don’t know which side leaked it.
“Jeter has yet to say a word ”
Every word out of his agent’s mouth is constructively his words until he fires him.
“.so we really don’t know what Jeter is thinking here. ”
So we absolutely know what Jeter is thinking because Close works at his direction.
In a down year, he still collected 179 hits. He’s a singles hitter. Though speed and power diminish, the ability to make contact with the ball remains fairly constant. Many contact hitters hang on well into their 40′s – Julio Franco, Omar Vizquel, Pete Rose.
I don’t think shocked – probably more in the lines of “insulted”. Jeter is all about pride. Yankee or otherwise.
“Close said “baffling” to try to get a groundswell of support from the fans and/or media.”
Exactly. He aired Jeter’s dirty laundry in order to exploit the situation.
That is what some are accusing the Yankees are doing.
MaineYankee November 24th, 2010 at 9:14 am
NYY626 – Andy in 2011
It keeps the press away from making a mess out what Andy wants to do.
Always a bright side to every story.
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Very true Maine Yankee. Ive been so upset about this jeter mess i havent had to time to properly get excited about Andy coming back, so here ya go:
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Jeter is clearly in the worse situation here. IF he were to successfully hold the Yanks over a barrel and get close the years and cash he’s asking, he wouldn’t be doing himself any favors. He should know all too well that in a city like NY, expectations on the field are directly linked to the checks you cash off it. Ask A-Rod and countless others. He should also be smart enough to know (and I think he is) that his level of play over the next few years WILL decline. It’s inevitable and this season may well have been a prelude to that. And it’s not like there’s anywhere else to put him but SS.
If he’s smart, he’ll take 3-4 years and retire at 40. He can then (or now) negotiate a lifetime services contract too, provided he doesn’t stick it to the Yanks now. If he does, his value as Mr. Yankee will suffer irreparably as the fans sour over the performance of an aging SS making $20+ M a year.
Now I do think this will get worked out – in the Yanks favor if you ask me. I don’t believe Jeter wants to climb into that unholy rank of the spoiled, over-paid, under-performing athlete. He’s too image savvy for that.
But just for arguments sake, if Jeter goes, who is out there at SS?
I think some of you are forgetting that Close said the “baffling” thing after Hal proclaimed this could get messy and Randy Levine decided to chime in with his brilliant thoughts. Again, my biggest beef is that this is public, on both sides. Terrible.
*snore*
Is there anything else to talk about today?
“Is there anything else to talk about today?”
Jobless claims decreased sharply.
This is how most negotiating sessions go, except not in public.
Not even Mo’s will go this way.
Why they chose to embarrass their Captain is beyond me and if Jeter had his druthers , he would love to stick it to them for going public.
It’s a lack of respect and it starts with Hal. He is the face of management, not Cashman, Levine or Hank.
No wonder Hal wanted no part of this job way back when George was looking at passing the baton to the new elephants in the room or something to that effect.
Hal is fiscally conservative and bows to no one.
good one, Erin.
Hank, if you’re reading this: when Randy Levine invites you to go on a fishing trip, you might want to be busy that day.
Put it this way.
A 6 year contract is a vote of confidence for Jeter reaching 4,000 hits just as a 10 year contract to Arod showed faith in Arod and gave him ample time to break the all-time HR record.
Both contracts take the player through age 42.
They showed faith in Arod but are publicly showing a lack of faith in Jeter.
Close made the mistake of comparing Jeter to other Yankees legends like Ruth who was really more well known for his HR’s. Jeter might be better off if Close had focused on the 3000 hit and 4000 hit milestone and maybe even pushed the Pete Rose comp from the get-go.
# NYY626 – Andy in 2011 November 24th, 2010 at 9:34 am
I think some of you are forgetting that Close said the “baffling” thing after Hal proclaimed this could get messy and Randy Levine decided to chime in with his brilliant thoughts. Again, my biggest beef is that this is public, on both sides. Terrible.
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Hal was, I believe, answering a question on whether it could get messy and he acknowledged it could, like any other negotiation when you’re talking about a lot of money. That wasn’t a shot at Jeter though with this media atmosphere you can’t even say that without it being used to sell papers.
Hal is fiscally conservative and bows to no one.
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If you consider the highest payroll and over 220M being fisccally conservative.
They showed faith in Arod but are publicly showing a lack of faith in Jeter.
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Maybe because they feel he has no chance at 4000.
They showed faith in Arod but are publicly showing a lack of faith in Jeter.
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JUST because they made mistakes with larger contracts before, doesnt mean they should continue doing it.
Jeter needs 1074 hits to reach 4000.
A 6 year contract gives him a chance to reach that milestone with a seasonal average of 179 hits.
Guess what?
In 2010, Jeter’s worst year, he hit 179 hits.
hardwired7 November 24th, 2010 at 9:38 am
good one, Erin.
Hank, if you?re reading this: when Randy Levine invites you to go on a fishing trip, you might want to be busy that day.
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f you consider the highest payroll and over 220M being fisccally conservative.
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Can’t blame that on Hal.
He is trying to keep it where it is.
“A 6 year contract is a vote of confidence for Jeter reaching 4,000 hits just as a 10 year contract to Arod showed faith in Arod and gave him ample time to break the all-time HR record.”
A-Rod was coming off an MVP season (not his worst season like Jeter) and the contract was still moronic.
We usually applaud people when they learn from their mistakes.
We should be doing that here.
mick – realistically jeter *doesn’t* have a chance at 4000.
Edwardo Nunez
Regardless of which side originally took this into the public forum, everyone with a pair of eyes should be able to see that Jeter has very little leverage here.
Like I said, Close should’ve come out aggressive in the beginning and pulled out the 4000 hit club milestone and the Pete Rose comp.
Bret – 4000 doesn’t help him though, he needs 4192.
That would mean averaging 211 hits over that 6 year period (which would be insane).
In 2010, Jeter’s worst year, he hit 179 hits.
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And led the league in PA and had one of his highest amount of plate appearances ever.
Imagine if there was a high level SS out there on the FA market?
Cashman and the Yankees were clearly angered by Close’s “baffled” comment. They felt they needed to respond.
It now seems Close isn’t going to comment anymore. Good idea on his part. Doing so hurts his client’s image and doesn’t advance the negotiations. I think you will not be hearing anything else from the Yankees as long as Close stays quiet.
I read other posters saying the Yankees shouldn’t lose Jeter over a few million. I bet a lot of people would agree. The lowest demand I have read about from the Jeter camp, and I sure don’t know if it is accurate is 5 years for $100M. That is a huge gap and not a few million. As noted before, the half-way mark is still more than $25M more than the Yankees offered.
Does anyone advocate paying him this amount? If so, fine. If not, I agree that Jeter should see what the market would bring him so he can get a reality check.
and that 4192 is only if you don’t count rose’s record… getting to 4,256 would be even LESS likely.
If 2010 is a sign of things ending for jeter, the yankees aren’t going to keep giving him the 750 PA necessary for him to get 170 hits. Jeter’s skill set doesn’t lend itself to aging very well. He doesn’t have great power, his swing took advantage of his prime strength and batspeed, and the amount of ground balls he puts out there require speed he is losing.
I would never ink Jeter to a 6 year deal. I think 3 is fair.
The way this is playing out in the media is disgusting, though. The Yankees pride themselves on being so personal, but when it comes to contracts with their beloved captain, they are all over the media? Just do this behind closed doors and say “no comment”. Seriously.
Bernie must be loving this.
Does Jeter’s value moving forward really mean more than what he does on the field?
Will the Yankees sell fewer season tickets, suites, ads, caps, t-shirts, and jerseys if Jeter is a Yankee or a Texas Ranger?
On the flip side, Jeter stands to lose a lot if he chases the money and moves on. Even if Jeter signs with the Mets, Red Sox, Angels, or another “big market” club, it won’t have the cache of playing for the Yankees when it comes to off the field earnings.
And I still can’t see another team topping 3yrs x $15M per for Jeter at 36yo and coming off a less than stellar offensive season.
The Yankees have already paid Jeter north of $200M for what he’s brought to the table. Plus, being a Yankee has meant a ton in off the field earnings for Jeter, as well.
To me, Jeter needs to stay classy and AT MOST push for a 4th year in the deal that starts as a club option but can vest to a player’s option if he hits performance incentives that ensure that 2010′s offensive numbers were just a blip on the radar and not the first step in a decline to less offensive production than the Yankees expect from their starting SS and guy that hits near the top of the order.
ID,
If Jeter can merely duplicate his horrendous 2010 campaign over the next 6 years, exactly 179 hits, he’s a member of the 4000 hit club with Pete Rose and Ty Cobb.
Close was careless and he should’ve been more precise in his comps and milestones.
“legend” comparisons are kind of generic and they gave Cashman the ammunition to go public and compare Jeter to the likes of Rafael Furcal.
Boras was smart and compared Arod to all-time HR kings.
He was far more precise in identifying milestones and records and appropriate comps that go with them.
The leaks were started by the Yankees, the offer was leaked to Heyman. They never denied that they had. Close was doing his job advocating for his client. That this has gotten ugly is 100% Yankee managements fault as every one of them has made statements publicly – Cashman, Hal, Levine and Hank.
Personally, I thought the Yanks would go to 4 years and move on.. so my thinking is Jeter really is married to a 5-6 year deal.
4,256 — Damn. .. Good job by Pete !! good lord !!
“It was all about The Mick, and who was the best CF in NY, oh how I remember those days.”
damn right.
we did not simply root for the laundry.
the large majority of today’s fans do not either.
if a kid is going to be a fan for life, he needs a mantle or a derek jeter to grow up with and idolize.
that’s what grows a fan for life.
a new generation is coming . montero may be the next mantle or jeter. is cashman not going to market montero to this new generation to grow the yankee brand?
if not isn’t it time to find a gm who understands marketing and growing a brand?
“I would never ink Jeter to a 6 year deal. I think 3 is fair.”
Jerkface,
Would you go 4? It’s the most I’d go.
I don’t get how people that spend the entirety of their day on a baseball blog re-posting rumors, news articles, and tweets can say this is the Yankees fault for making it too public.. Thats just the world we live in folks.
Why is Rodriguez being dragged into this? He has nothing to this negotiation. Is he worth $30 mil a year? No, but, name any athlete or entertainer that is. You’re about talking baseball/sports money here…not you and me money. One the other hand, he’s had 4 stellar seasons and 3 that any 3rd baseman would kill for.
As far as Jeter goes, he’ll make the Yankees money until the day he dies and beyond. Statistically, he’s not Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio or Mantle, but for this generation of fans, he’s their equal in recognition and admiration and a hero to most kids and a lot of adults. Other than Gehrig, he’s probably the best role model, though.
“if not isn’t it time to find a gm who understands marketing and growing a brand?”
The best way to grow a brand is to understand the life cycle of a product and have new products ready to replace old, under performing products.
is cashman not going to market montero to this new generation to grow the yankee brand? if not isn’t it time to find a gm who understands marketing and growing a brand?
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You seem to be confused as to what the general manager does. He assembles the players to win baseball games. A marketing department will then market the players. At any rate, its obvious that Cash has targeted nice, marketable people to sign. Its why he is trying to sign Derek Jeter.
5 or 6 makes sense for Jeter. His thinking is to get close enough to Rose where he would have leverage for another deal at age 42.
If Rose could do it why not Jeter?
Would you go 4? It’s the most I’d go.
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A 4th year option maybe, not a straight deal. Or he can have 4/48
Great Post GreenBeret7 — Spot on ! . both on Arod and Jeter
WCYF – as much as you clearly *want* to blame them…
“The leaks were started by the Yankees, the offer was leaked to Heyman. They never denied that they had”
A lack of denial is not proof that something happened. It is hard for me to believe that the Yankee’s would use the Boras’ shill as the source of their leak. (a guy who has leaked stuff *against* the yankees countless times)
randy
Like RS nation?
Seems like that doesn’t market the player but the team.
Mike Ri – good job… and not so good job… the last 2 or 3 years he was the player manager, and gave himself at bats (when he was god awful) to increase his own record.
Mick,
Like I said, if Close was an elite agent we’d have heard Pete Rose’ name floated out there a long time ago.
The pursuit of 4000 hits would’ve been good fodder for the press. Any debate about that topic, even a 1 sided one, would’ve given Jeter more leverage for a long-term deal closer to 6 instead of 3 years in length.
Jeter just ended a year where he had 179 hits.
179 hits x 6 year contract = 4,000 hits for Jeter.
The formula was right in front of Close’s face and he dropped the ball on it.
In some ways Yankee mgmnt’s “going public” is veiled in that it appears they are going after Close not Jeter.
Jeter remains silent and will shrug it all off after the deal is final.
“If Rose could do it why not Jeter?”
Pete Rose had a 115 OPS+ at 36.
You don’t make decisions based on outliers, you make them on overwhelming trends.
Jeter can play until he’s 50, but he should do it on one year contracts after the termination of a three year contract.
I would not go 4 years.
Bret – Round numbers are not leverage. Records are leverage, and he has little to no chance of reaching it. That’s why it wasn’t brought up.
Bret
I see your point but it wasn’t a realistic goal.
Maybe if he hit 300 with 200 hits last year but not coming off the year he had.
Its not the Yankees’ responsibility to give Jeter a shot at 4000 hits. Its their goal to win a WS every year. Letting Jeter hang on AND paying him a king’s ransom would be absolute foolishness. Let him take 3/45 and he is as good as he thinks he is, then another contract won’t be a problem, right?
And there’s no one, and never will be anyone, lurking to eagerly overpay an aging shortstop just so he can reach a milestone that has nothing to do with winning.
Irreverent Discourse– Mike Ri ? good job? and not so good job? the last 2 or 3 years he was the player manager, and gave himself at bats (when he was god awful) to increase his own record.
i think your directing this towards someone else. i didn’t mention anything of the sort.
If Jeter hit 8th or 9th, where he belonged, he would have got around 640 PA. Thats only 156 hits. And put that out x 6 years and he is 138 shy after 6 years and has to come back for a 7th.
for the record, Casey didnt actually compare Derek to the Babe if im reading his quote correctly. He said “theres a reason THE YANKEES have compared jeter to the babe”. So he was merely repeating what the organization once said. Semantics though, I know….
oh never mind . .I did . . It was about Rose . .sorry
Ideally the Yankee brass would like to go year to year on Jeter and Mo.
Mo throwing a monkey wrench in at 2 years probably hurt Jeter’s cause.
Mike Ri – in response to your 9:49 post.
“Jeter shouldn’t be shock, he was the one that hit .270 last season”
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yes. And considering his BA was down to .259 late in the season, he was very lucky to salvage .270
don’t give in Cashman. In particular, don’t pay the worthless scribes any attention.
for the record, Casey didnt actually compare Derek to the Babe if im reading his quote correctly. He said “theres a reason THE YANKEES have compared jeter to the babe”. So he was merely repeating what the organization once said. Semantics though, I know….
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But when did the Yankees do this? I think this was one of those ‘throw out a tidbit that is easily believable and no one will fact check’. Saying it publicly, the Yankees won’t deny it because to deny it WOULD be trashing Jeter. There is a spoken and unspoken respect for Jeter by the Yankees, and Close tried to use it to generate sympathy, knowing the Yankees would not respond to that portion.
mick November 24th, 2010 at 10:00 am
Bret
I see your point but it wasn’t a realistic goal.
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You don’t have to be realistic or 100% accurate to generate buzz in the press.
4,000 hits has been achieved by exactly 2 players in the history of baseball.
It’s a huge deal and would’ve sent Jeter loyalists into a frenzy.
Like I said, had Close floated Rose’s name or publicly laid out the 179 x 6 = 4,000 formula, Jeter would’ve found himself in a much better position today in negotiations.
Instead, Close compared him to ghosts.
The minute he did that, Cashman beat him down and compared him to Furcal.
didnt pete rose also switch positions?
I am afraid that this can even end up with Jeter going to another team. He doesn’t seem to want any kind of salary reduction with the Yankees, but who knows, he might play for less money for someone else.
“Mo throwing a monkey wrench in at 2 years probably hurt Jeter’s cause”
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Mick: I know this is off-topic, but personally i would give Rivera 3 years, without blinking. He’s not even close to done
You don’t have to be realistic or 100% accurate to generate buzz in the press.
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Close would have been perceived as a fool if he tried to sell 179 hits per 6 years.
mick November 24th, 2010 at 10:07 am
You don’t have to be realistic or 100% accurate to generate buzz in the press.
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Close would have been perceived as a fool if he tried to sell 179 hits per 6 years.
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Jeter reached 179 hits in his worst season. The number is fresh and relevant.
“Other than Gehrig, Jeter’s probably the best role model, though”
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Joe DiMaggio?
Yes he did – he went from player to coach to gambler.
Pete Rose was the ultimate compiler.
to put it in perspective: Jeter will be 37 next season. after Rose turned 37, he played in over 1,200 more games.
does anyone really think Derek has that much tread left on his tires?
“Jeter reached 179 hits in his worst season. The number is fresh and relevant”
Yeah, but selling 6 years of his worst season seems strategically unsound.
Jeter reached 179 hits in his worst season. The number is fresh and relevant.
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Not when its easily picked apart, as I just did.
If they can get 4 years and he can get 6-700 more hits then they can come back for one more deal for 4000.
Bret – he will not get 179 hits in his worst season when he’s not leading off. he had more PA this year than any other year he’s played.
“Mick: I know this is off-topic, but personally i would give Rivera 3 years, without blinking. He’s not even close to done”
i hope mariano pitches well for the yankees till he’s 50, but the reality for pitchers is it can end with one pitch( and often does).
this is much less likely with an everyday player .
so in a way mariano is more of a long term risk than jeter.
Close is as elite an agent as there is and very well respected. He is doing his job. No agent worth their salt would do any differently. He responded to managements negotiating in public with a relatively benign statement playing the “value of an icon” card which is what he should be doing. He is not going to focus on his client hitting .270 is he?
I knew this would get ugly. Welcome to the Hal Steinbrenner era where the corporation takes precedent over people and tradition. I predict he will
sell the team sometime in the future.
Jeter would turn 42 in the last year of a 6 year deal.
He has averaged 207 hits/year over the past 10 years.
He’d need to collect 179 hits x 6 years to reach 4,000.
4,000 is a huge deal and it should be part of this discussion.
The fact that it’s not is a failure on Close’s part.
If NYYs can give a 3 year contract to a relief pitcher coming off his worst statistical year since his rookie season and at age 37, who was clearly on the downside of his career, and nobody bats an eye, why the pissing and moaning with board “fans” and front office about paying a regular everyday player a little more? There’s no proof that Jeter won’t rebound, just like there was no proof that Rivera could rebound.
Rich,
So everything you say has been fed to you by your clients? Just because Close says something doesn’t neccessarily mean Jeter told him to say it. Also, while its true I.don’t know.for sure who leaked the offer but what would Jeter stand to gain by leaking an offer and then rejecting it? At this point I just wish both sides would keep quite and get it done so everyone can move on.
“I am afraid that this can even end up with Jeter going to another team. He doesn’t seem to want any kind of salary reduction with the Yankees, but who knows, he might play for less money for someone else”
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Just like Joe Torre. Pride goes before a fall.
I mean, Jeter is rumored to want as many as 6 years…but what’s in it for the Yankees?
Close failed.
bret the hitman comparing jeter to a pinch hitter from atl and other scrubs at 40. yep just what the yanks want to pay a guy $15 mill a year to get 40 hits a year.
sure jeter is going to avg. 207 hits over the next 3 years. NOT HAPPENING.
he did not find the fountain of youth. poor poor derek have to figure out how to live on $15 mill per year or get a new gig… It is a free market go for it big guy. Derek think big so help make the pirates into a contender, share with them some of your winning pedigree.
I am sure a superstar like derek would be the missing piece for the pirates.
another angle the lupica angle. why now do the yanks start being smart and fair? so do the yanks start being smart on the next contract? not jeter but can they hold the line on MO? nah not mo that would be mean what about the contract after that can they or should they be reasonable on cliff lee? I am sure the fans will not mind if some rookie starts over lee and has a 4.50 era and we watch the playoffs with no yanks.
when do the yanks get reasonable in there personal decisions? when would that be alright for lupica and the jeter groupies??????
it is laughable how people spend the yanks money and them overpaying for guys 20% 30% or 50% is ok, and they should be smarter the next time but that time keeps on moving..
Bret you don’t know that Close hasn’t said that in private where it should have been said. Jeter does not want to negotiate in the press.
WCYF – your oversensationalist posts, coupled with you literally making things up are making your unbearable the last 2 days.
“He responded to managements negotiating in public”
Stop repeating things you’ve made up in your head like they are facts. No matter how much you’ve convinced yourself, no one cares.
“so in a way mariano is more of a long term risk than jeter”
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na. Relief pitchers (esp closers/setup) often have very long careers. Shortstops on the other hand…
4000 hits is a big deal to bret the hitman. to me a big deal is WINS. ALL THE OTHER STATS MEAN JACK……
4000 is not a huge deal, breaking the record would be a huge deal. paying jeter for 3 old broken seasons to reach some arbitrary round number would be silly on the yankees part.
What is wrong with 3/45 with a player option of 10m for year 4?
If he still has something in the tank, would he get more than 10 anywhere anyway?
By then he would have leverage for 4000 and Rose.
West Coast Yankee Fan November 24th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Bret you don’t know that Close hasn’t said that in private where it should have been said. Jeter does not want to negotiate in the press.
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Linking Jeter to the 4,000 hit milestone is something that should be public and it should be in the press. That’s the appropriate frame for this contract.
Jeter wants 6 years.
What’s in it for the Yankees?
4,000 hits.
” knew this would get ugly. Welcome to the Hal Steinbrenner era where the corporation takes precedent over people and tradition. I predict he will
sell the team sometime in the future.”
I hope so which will end crying and moaning about Hal Steinbrenner.
I love Jeter.. . I grew up with him as this generations Yankee Icon ! . He’s my “Mantle” to sorta speak.
But to see him playing short at 42 makes me cringe ! 1- it makes me feel old . .and 2. I don’t want to see him go out an old washed up player.
I remember in High School (96-00 ) talking Junk to my red sox buddies !! . Man they couldn’t touch us then !!.. lol lol and Jeter was a big part of it !! . . .
As I’ve stated before, 3/45 is fair, but I believe this will end as a 4 year contract, shy of 80M. My thinking has been, and remains, 4 years/72M. I had even included a team option for a 5th year with an 8M buyout, which would make the total value 80M.
Now 80M is outlandish, IMHO, but I’d do it, just because we need to move on to Mariano: 2 years 30M.
And one more thing…Lee isn’t coming to NY.
Irreverent Discourse November 24th, 2010 at 10:19 am
4000 is not a huge deal,
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WHAT?
2 players have reached that milestone, EVER!
It’s a BFD.
Jeter loyalists want to see him get there. That number and the Rose comps in the press would’ve set off a frenzy.
A Yankee in the 4000 hit club.
Not a big deal.
hmm. okay.
vinny-b November 24th, 2010 at 10:09 am
“Other than Gehrig, Jeter’s probably the best role model, though”
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Joe DiMaggio?
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As we all found out years later about Ruth and Mantle,,,not even close. All legendary players, but, not who I’d want my kids or grandkids to emulate. DiMaggio was the coldest, most egotistical of those players and those were among his best qualities. His team mates were never close to him, because he didn’t want to be bothered with them unless it was to his advantage…such as shielding him from the media and fans.
I agree with Joel Sherman on this one (much as that pains me)
The Yankees presented Jeter with a well thought-out proposal; took a lot of things into consideration and were smacked down by the Jeter camp.
When Cash (et al) asked what Jeter wanted, reportedly they were told 5 years 100 mil. To which Cashman asked, why? Jeter’s camp responded; “because I’m Derek Jeter.”
Because I’m Derek Jeter
Jeter didn’t take a discount when he was in his prime and hit free agency – he had the hammer and he used it to the tune of 10 years $189 mil…and I have no problem with that. But right now Derek has no leverage. No team is giving him more than a 1 year $10 mil deal, the Yankees know that and could have offered Derek far less than what they did; but because he’s Derek Jeter they offered him a much better contract than anything he’ll find on the free agent market…in other words the Yankees aren’t swinging the hammer on Derek, but they’re not about to bend over for him either at this point.
If Derek is not a Yankee next year he will either be retired or have taken less money to play for another team. I don’t see either scenario happening.
And for those fans who have said “if Derek leaves I’m going to quit rooting for the Yankees…” I call bull. If you didn’t leave when the Yankees squeezed out Mattingly, if you didn’t leave when George fired Yogi, if you didn’t leave when the Yankees dumped Zim, Bernie and Tino then you’re not leaving now and you know it.
Gotta run…
See you all later.
-Hitman
“If NYYs can give a 3 year contract to a relief pitcher coming off his worst statistical year since his rookie season and at age 37, who was clearly on the downside of his career, and nobody bats an eye, why the pissing and moaning with board “fans” and front office about paying a regular everyday player a little more? There’s no proof that Jeter won’t rebound, just like there was no proof that Rivera could rebound”
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because Rivera’s “down” year was still a dominant season for a closer.
Bret – it will be a big deal for 3 minutes, while jeter stands on first base waving at the crowd, and then no one will care. You don’t base your contract push on something as trivial as that.
Breaking the RECORD, be it gerigs or rose, would be a big deal and something worth marketing.
The “marketing” for A-Rod is to break the home run record, not reach 700 HR’s and then retire.
rivera in 07 was lights out after april there the diifference
Cano might get 4000 hits…so should they sign him to a 15 year/ $400M contract?
Jeterites need to get realistic.
By the way – just because the public face of this has gotten ugly don’t think for a minute that a deal can’t be reached.
A couple of years ago Boston’s negotiations with Jason Varitek (their Derek Jeter) got extremely ugly. At the end of the day though, Varitek realized that a better offer was not forthcoming from any other team and taking less money to leave Boston was silly and so he signed for a very reasonable deal.
I know there has been speculation that a bad team could sign Derek as a draw for displaced Yankee fans to come see him get his 3000th hit – but let me ask you this…as important as winning is to Jeter, do you see him languishing in Baltimore or Kansas City for the twilight of his career?
The only teams that I see being even a pseudo-threat to sign Derek are the Cardinals and the Rays.
if you want a Yankee role model, look no further than Thurman Munson.
family first.
everything else second.
now there was a real man.
im not ready to sign-up to wait for jeter to get to 4000. rose hung on too long, his last 4 years he hit .256 over his last 4 seasons. i dont want to see the yankees carrying jeter to 4000 at that level.
Jeter is only human. This is the 1st time he’s been without a contract in 10 years. It could be that his less than par season of 2010 was affected by his anticipation of contact negotiations in this offseason.
In the past 10 years he’s witnessed many teammates go through the process. I’ll bet he’s had much happier Thanksgivings than this one will bring. The press leakage and rumors don’t help matters one iota.
Don’t think Jeter will get that far but have to agree that anyone getting 4,000 is ABSOLUTELY a big deal. Doing it on the largest stage in baseball? I’d have to assume it would be an even bigger deal.
Can’t downplay a ‘holy grail’ number like 4,000 hits. Again, do I think Jeter gets there? Only time will tell; he’d have to avoid any long term injuries, consistently get around 180 hits a season, and figure out how to be 40+ years old and play short stop.. which hasn’t been done a whole lot..
I would be willing to bet that Jeter had zero intention of being resigned by thanksgiving, and they will hammer it out after the holidays.
That’s a lot more realistic than 90% of the conspiracy nonsense flying around here.
Derek has 2962 hits…assuming he continues averaging 200 hits a year that’s at least another 5 years, but more realistically 6 years to get to 4,000…no chance that the Yankees are buying into that – nor should they.
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Since the Yankees didn’t offer him arbitration there is now a firm deadline in place for when they can hammer out a deal.
At some point in December teams that did not offer arbitration to a player have to stop negotiating with him and can’t start again until mid March I believe.
Rose was, in the context of his time, a better hitter than Jeter through age 36.
After age 36 through his retirement, Pete’s slash line was .286/.364/.359/.723. He averaged 143 hits a season during that time. He did not play shortstop.
Derek didn’t achieve Rose’s career tail-end slash line last season. If he manages to achieve it, he’ll be marginally better than average as a shortstop. IF he manages to achieve it.
However, Derek is going to play shortstop through age 45 only in the imaginations of certain LoHudders. He’ll be lucky to be able to play it through age 39.
If Derek can’t play shortstop, he isn’t going to take that slash line and play anywhere else.
Derek isn’t going to come close to breaking Rose’s record. People, get a grip.
So down months don’t count? Rivera wasn’t dominant. He wasn’t $45 mil for 3 years dominant. NYYs gambled and won. Jeter is not going to continue spiraling downwards? He may not hit ,340 again, but, I wouldn’t count him out of having 2 more 200 hit seasons with his normal 15-17 homers, 30 doubles, 100 runs scored, 75-85 RBI and 15-20 steals. Will he get to 4000 hits/ Most likely not, but getting into top three and 2000 runs scored is quite possible.
If I were the Yankees, I would make it perfectly clear that if Jeter is terrific the next the years, they will offer him a new contract for 1,2 or 3 years. Also, I might up the ante a bite like to 16 over 3 yrs. Frankly, after taxes, it leaves him with not so much extra.
I would let him know he is loved by the team and its fans, and that no one wants him to leave the team. I would do this face to face with him not through his agent.
“If NYYs can give a 3 year contract to a relief pitcher coming off his worst statistical year since his rookie season and at age 37, who was clearly on the downside of his career, and nobody bats an eye”
Rivera’s 2007 stats were still very good by elite closer standards. Jeter’s 2010 numbers were very good by slightly below average shortstop standards. Also worth noting, as the Yankees obviously did, that Rivera’s numbers were skewed by a miserable April in which he blew a couple saves and allowed 9 runs. From May 1 thru Sept 28, he made 60 appearances, allowed only 13 runs and saved 29 of 30, before blowing up in his final appearance of 2007 and allowing 3 runs to the Orioles. He was pretty much what he’s always been for 5 months of that season.
Seems to me, if Jeter presented his case for getting a contract that would allow him the opportunity to try and break Rose’s record as a Yankee, it would have gone over a lot better, and perhaps gotten a positive response from the Yankees, rather than an I want 5 years $100 million “because I’m Derek Jeter” (if indeed that was the upshot of his demands).
As for Pete Rose – didn’t he change positions AND teams?
Irreverent Discourse. Of course your numerous posts are all so brilliant. Thanks fir gracing us with your presence. I have my take on Jeter just as you do.
I thought all along that Jeter’s contract would get done quickly and without much fan fair. Guess I was wrong. But then again it has been 10 years since anyone has mentioned Casey Close. This is his biggest payday also. It make sense for him to drag this out and get as much as HE can for himself.
im concerned that jeter is going to screw the yankees twice here, first by forcing them into a 4 or 5 year contract at 3-4 times his value as a player, then by refusing to move off ss over that contract.
yeah and if i am trying to compare jeter to rose, i am pointing out that rose switched positions AND switched teams.
Lets’ remember:
1. Jeter has been paid very well throughout his career. 3/$45 is more than generous
2. Jeter has always been portrayed as a player that’s more about winning than “personal stats” (and money). To make this difficult for the Yankees makes Jeter look bad.
3. Yankees fans want a winner. They love Jeter, but if a $20 million salary at SS hurts their chances for a championship team or signing the next great player, they will not be happy with the Captain.
4. Pete Rose hung around for too many years – just to get the record. He was not a good player at that point. The Yankees wish to stay competitive, and can’t have a player sticking around just to reach a milestone if his production is poor and hurts the team.
5. Just because they made a mistake with A-Rod’s contract, they don’t have to make a further mistake with Jeter’s contract.
6. People point out that Jeter had a great 2009 – which he did. But, as I recall, his 2007 and 2008 were not great either. It’s not like he had one bad year. He had a bad year that was part of a downward trend that had one really good year out of the last FOUR years.
7. By being “all about the money” Jeter would prove he’s no different than A-Rod. He’s made his image trying to be the exact opposite of that.
8. Brett Favre. 4 years ago he was a God in Green Bay. Now he’s hated in Minnesota. hated in New York. Hated in Green Bay. He became a characacture of himself and ruined his legacy. Do not think that this can’t be Jeter.
9. Jeter needs to stay a Yankee for his legacy. getting hit #3,000 as a Red Sox or Met or Pittsburgh Pirate or LA Dodger wouldn’t be the same for him.
I have more (LeBron James – how is he perceived in Cleveland and NY and….) but I must go right now.
The best thing for Jeter is to recognize that the offer he’s getting is generous – more than fair – and to note that he has been paid a TON for the good he’s done.
He shoudl now be playing and building the legacy he created to this point – not destroying what he worked so hard to cultivate.
(No time to proof or speelcheck…sorry…)
Phil – “This is his biggest payday also.”
Close probably got a little piece of that $189 million.. I’m thinking THAT was his biggest payday.
From the minute SNY aligned with the Daily News, the NY Post has been the defacto Yankee paper in NY.
Agents and central office people leak things to Heyman, not teams.
Using Pete Rose and/or 4,000 hits as the comp for Jeter in these negotiations is the absolute last thing Close should have done.
If you do that, you are making these negotiations about Jeter’s ability as a baseball player and how well he will play going forward. You would have to focus the negotiations on Jeter’s projected performance and how likely he is to reach 4,000+ hits.
If Close did that, he would have gotten crushed in these negotiations, because that is precisely what the Yankees are trying to do. They are trying to focus these negotiations on Jeter’s ability as a baseball player going forward.
And after the season Jeter just had they have all the leverage in that regard. Close had to focus his negotiations on Yankee legends.
That is the only leg he has to stand on when selling Jeter for the price and years he wants.
Derek as made more than $189 million over the last 10 years alone.
1 8 9 MILLION
Now I know that the ARod contract is the 800-lb gorilla in the room, but seriously, he overvalues his worth and confuses it with the marketing opportunities he’s been able to take advantage of BECAUSE HE’S A WINNING YANKEE AND OVERALL GOOD GUY (see Ford, Gilette, etc., both of which probably pay him more than his baseball annual salary).
If Eduardo Nunez comes in, hits .300, fields spectacularly, steals bases, and smiles that winning smile – most of us will be pleased. We’ll miss Derek, but if Nunez helps to create a dynamic middle of the field (Nunez, Cano, Montero, Granderson/Gardner) – TEAMS WIN.
The King is Dead.
Long Live the King.
“Rivera’s 2007 stats were still very good by elite closer standards. Jeter’s 2010 numbers were very good by slightly below average shortstop standards. Also worth noting, as the Yankees obviously did, that Rivera’s numbers were skewed by a miserable April in which he blew a couple saves and allowed 9 runs. From May 1 thru Sept 28, he made 60 appearances, allowed only 13 runs and saved 29 of 30, before blowing up in his final appearance of 2007 and allowing 3 runs to the Orioles. He was pretty much what he’s always been for 5 months of that season”
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thank you. You saved me the time
Shame
That money must be running out for Casey.
All you guys that rip Jeter for asking for too much money, wouldn’t you do the same? I can’t judge the guy for asking for as many years as possible and $20 million or whatever he is asking for. I would do that too because I would want as large a contract as possible. Plus I would think I’m worth more than 3 yrs for $45 million after all my years of service to this team that makes ridiculous money. I know I got paid in my prior contract but so have the Yankees because of my on field play.
He might not be realistic in his deamands but while we just watch him play, he actually plays and has put in all that work. I’m just saying it is easy to criticize him but if you were him what would you ask for? Probably the moon and the stars too.
Any way the pick the Yanks will receive by offering arbitration to Javy will make them more likely to pursue Scott Downs…..probably not but who knows.?
I think baseballguy’s #8 above speaks worlds more than any other point that can be made.
Jeter is no fool, and his legacy is squeaky clean to this point. He has always been wary of it and losing focus now would be certainly out of character.
It’s unfortunate that someone (be it the yankees or jeters agent, does it matter?) decided to play games in the media, but Cashman has been very forthcoming about the situation. If the Jeter camp BELIEVES (which is different than “says”) he is worth a longer contract, they are free to explore that option. I say longer and not larger, because we all know this this situation is going to be smoothed over by increasing the AAV of the contract and calling it a day.
By not offering arbitration (as chip pointed out above), the Jeter camp now only has until the negotiating deadline to “test the waters” which leaves less time for some oddball contract offer to materialize. Great move on the Yankee’s part, I would say.
The first month of the offseason every year is met with drama, worry and most importantly… completely made up news from “inside sources”. What is the point in getting so worked up over it?
If the Yankees had won the World Series this year and Jeter hit over .300 would we even be having this discussion? But the fact remains that they didn’t, and he didn’t.
Jeter’s ability is 207 hits/season based on a 10 YEAR PRECEDENT.
Those are the numbers.
That is the established precedent from which to negotiate.
With that foundation and those numbers detailing Jeter’s ability, Close could’ve easily made a case for the pursuit of 4000 hits as a Yankee or Rose’s record as a Yankee.
If he had asked for 6 or 8, he would’ve been denied but the goal is to aim high in negotiations. 3 years would’ve seemed like an odd offer in a 4000 hit/Pete Rose frame founded in Jeter’s well established ability to rake 200+ hits per season.
So there you have it.
Precedent (207 hit ability) + targeted milestones (4000 hits) + precise comps (Pete Rose) = strong negotiation for Jeter.
Instead we got the ghost comparisons followed by Cash’s Rafael Furcal rebuttal.
I Like Inge – I agree with you completely but after asking for the moon and the stars, what do you settle for?
Every free agent deserves the most money/years they can get from the market. But the key is the market and what it dictates you’re worth. The Yankees are giving Jeter MORE than he’d be worth by market standards and that’s why people go nuts.
This time…I’m out for sure.
Have a productive day and Happy Thanksgiving.
Turkey for you and Turkey for me.
I can’t believe the Mets traded Darrell Strawberry.
Someone said it earlier; It’s the jealousy and hatred of Arod and his contract that is compelling Jeter to ask for the moon. We all were told he was over this, but he can’t live with the fact that Arod has more guaranteed years and dollars on the Yankees than he does.
How much of this is Jeter wanting to show Arod that this is still “his team” and they will give him everything they gave Arod and more because he built the Yankees.
The only way this ends well is Jeter takes the 3 year deal, gets a few more dollars (although the Yankees shouldn’t give him more) and says he’s excited to be back, blah blah blah.
Arod’s deal has nothing to do with Derek Jeter. Arod’s deal is a mistake. The Yankees should not be forced to make another mistake just to satisfy Jeter’s ego.
And all this talk about 4000 hits would be the worst thing to happen to the Yankees. We’d be the NY Jeter’s instead pushing out our old legend and hoping he could still eek out an infield single in pursuit of a record.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Jeter can only play SS on this team. His bat in any other position is a major loss compared to what the Yankees could get and will hurt the team offensively.
I’d even hazard to say based on last season Jeter is a better defender than hitter.
Caving into his demands money and years wise sets a precedent that makes it more difficult when the team tells him he’s not a 1-2 hitter anymore and needs to move in the order.
Do I expect Jeter to come out and do his best next season to make 2010 look like it was an off year? Yes.
Do I think he’ll be able to defy his age and odds for the next 3-4 years? No.
Body wise he’s already looking stiff and less fluid as a player. He’s getting older and the team doesn’t need him here forever making one of the highest salaries with low production long term.
If he goes out and rakes the next 3 years then in 3 years it’s a different story. Andy certainly has proven that taking that risk on yourself year to year pays off when you show that you still have it.
The Yankees will always pay Jeter top dollar if he’s productive. They just shouldn’t have to overpay him so he can feel superior to Arod money/years wise.
At age 37 it’s unreasonable to ask for an annual salary that’s more than 50% higher than the best shortstops in baseball.
At age 37, it’s unreasonable to ask for 5 or 6 years at max salary or comparable salary to the last year of his last contract.
All negotiations start from extreme positions:
Yankees – 3 years 45M
Jeter – 5/6 years 100/120M (reportedly)
Compromise is the result of a good negotiation. With compromise, when neither side is equally especially happy, chances are it’s a good deal.
First Years:
A compromise would be 4 years with a 5th year team option.
Contract Amount:
$18M annually. Too much IMO, but could take into account his ‘intangible values to the team’.
brett, wake up, jeter has had 200 hits only once in his last 3 seasons and he’s 3 years older now…
“All you guys that rip Jeter for asking for too much money, wouldn’t you do the same? I can’t judge the guy for asking for as many years as possible and $20 million or whatever he is asking for. I would do that too because I would want as large a contract as possible. Plus I would think I’m worth more than 3 yrs for $45 million after all my years of service to this team”
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to be honest, no.
after making 200 million on my last contract, i’d be embarassed to demand another 4 years at age 38. I would accept the 3/45 million and be grateful. But that’s me…
bret – Even if Jeter’s agent sold it properly (which he clearly didn’t), I see no incentive for the yankees to buy it.
At the end of a 3 year deal, he can be signed again in a much closer pursuit of those milestones. Especially if he is still averaging 180+ hits per season and hasn’t completely fallen apart in the field.
Even based on Jeter precedent… his 3 best seasons are barely worth $15million per year.
This Jeter/A-Rod highschool dramabomb you guys are trying to sell is so bananas.
What some people might be overlooking here is that we’re still the Yankees. Jeter can be an average/slightly below average SS for 5 years and we can still win the World Series. Some people make it seem like if we sign Jeter into years where he’s sporting a .260-.270 average we’re never going to be competitive.
“Any way the pick the Yanks will receive by offering arbitration to Javy will make them more likely to pursue Scott Downs…..probably not but who knows.?”
Assuming their 1st round pick goes to Texas, you’d be talking about Toronto getting the Yankees 2nd rounder. I’d be content to get Feliciano and not have to part with that pick. Yankees AL East brethren look to get pretty fat in this draft as Boston, Toronto and Tampa look to have a number of comp picks coming their way. It’s supposedly a deep draft, and I hope to see the Yankees get a piece of the action. The distance between Downs and Feliciano isn’t big enough to give up a 2nd rounder IMO.
If Kerry Wood accepts arbitration, i dont know they will put a lot of money into a FA lefty in the pen.
over that 10 year ‘precident’, jeter’s average age was 31. paying a player ages 37, 38, and 39 based on his production at age 31 is insane.
ac1:
Wood was not offered arbitration in the end.
What some people might be overlooking here is that we’re still the Yankees. Jeter can be an average/slightly below average SS for 5 years and we can still win the World Series. Some people make it seem like if we sign Jeter into years where he’s sporting a .260-.270 average we’re never going to be competitive.
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Willfully carrying players who you expect to suck is not a winning strategy. I want my team have an advantage over the Rays/Red Sox/whoever is the hot team that year. Lets say they carry Jeter for 5 years even if he sucks. Then A-rod starts going, or Tex declines, or CC gets a rash of injury.
We are already stuck with AJ burnett for 3 more years. I want to reduce the amount of potential disaster on the roster.
Unless you think the Yankees would sign Jeter for 5 years and then if he sucked , not play him. Which isn’t going to happen.
The other shortstops in baseball are making what they are because when they were just starting out they chose longtime security over taking a gamble that they could maintain there numbers until they reached free agency. What they make has nothing to do with Jeter.
Wood was not offered arbitration in the end.
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ah, must have overlooked that in all the jeter talk.
“Assuming their 1st round pick goes to Texas, you’d be talking about Toronto getting the Yankees 2nd rounder. I’d be content to get Feliciano and not have to part with that pick. Yankees AL East brethren look to get pretty fat in this draft as Boston, Toronto and Tampa look to have a number of comp picks coming their way. It’s supposedly a deep draft, and I hope to see the Yankees get a piece of the action. The distance between Downs and Feliciano isn’t big enough to give up a 2nd rounder IMO.”
Mell,
A few thoughts:
1. The difference between Downs and Feliciano is HUGE. While Feliciano is purely a left on left guy; Downs can pitch to righties and lefties with success. Beyond that, Feliciano has been good in the NL East with it’s big parks and bad lineups whereas Downs has a successful background pitching against the mashers in the AL.
2. The Yankees could surrender their second (or third) round pick for Downs and still have a higher pick based on the compensation pick for Javy.
3. The Yankees can make up for what they surrender in a second round pick by spending the money they would have allocated to that player on signing a player later in the draft who fell because of contract demands (as they did with Austin Jackson)
ARod might well wind up with more career hits than Jeter. He’s about 250 hits behind and 1 year younger, so he’s slightly behind Jeter’s pace. But, ARod is likely to play much longer because his power will keep him in the lineup.
Realistically, Jeter knows he stands no chance of breaking Pete Rose’s record of 4,256 hits nor will anybody else ever do it.
With the money players make today, there’s no reason to stick around the game as an active player that long.
I can’t imagine why Jeter needs to play until he reaches 40 years of age. He has nothing to prove and will be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer.
It’s better to leave the game a year too soon than a year too late and go out the door as only a shell of his former self similar to what Willie Mays did.
“What they make has nothing to do with Jeter.”
Close comped SS in 2000 when he was negotiating his last contract. Comps play a role in any negotiaion.
Jerkface – I don’t get caught up in bad contracts like AJ’s when I think of future Yankee teams. Those are guys where you eat the money and move on. Its a lot of money, its a business, but the idea that the Yankees don’t have it to burn is just as absurd. Jeter, like all athletes, knows that MLB is a BIG business. The owners are, regardless of what Hank wants people to believe, much wealthier than the players for doing much less work. The Yankees in 4 years, regardless of what contracts are currently on the books, could look very different. If you add more power to our outfield, maybe you can deal with Jeter’s below average production. If you add better pitching maybe you don’t have to worry so much about those double plays. That’s all I’m sayin.
It’s all just a trick out of George Steinbrenner’s old playbook. Steal the backpage even in the off season
Everybody in this is a big boy. Everybody will survive one way or the other. Now it’s time for Jeter to make up his mind, because they are apparently calling his bluff. I do not for a second believe that Team Jeter were not prepared for this scenario. They saw it with Torre and to some degree Bernie Williams. Maybe it happens fast now, early December. Jete should look at Close and say “oh well, we tried.”
Those are guys where you eat the money and move on.
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When have the Yankees done this? They are not eating 16 mil per year on AJ Burnett. As long as he is under contract he will pitch for the Yankees, and if he sucks it hurts the team.
He could go 0 for a month again down the stretch and cost the yankees the playoffs.
“If you add more power to our outfield, maybe you can deal with Jeter’s below average production. If you add better pitching maybe you don’t have to worry so much about those double plays.”
Or, maybe the Yanks will finish 3rd or 4th in the AL East and no one will care because we’re so thrilled to still be watching our heroes play ball.
In the event that Jeter does go to another team, we may not need to find a new shortstop. In the past A-Rod has said, “Nah, I’m too big to play short again,” but he may just be saying that to not stir up any more controversy. That’s all the media would need to start the “A-Rod says he wants Jeter’s position, etc etc etc…” In the event that happens, the team just needs to find a third baseman. A smaller hole to fill, but still a hole.
Of course the Yankees could always tell Jeter, “Hey if you leave we’re going to give #2 to Alex.” Jeter will sign any contract the Yankees give him to stay on the team.
For what it’s worth (which isn’t much)
Jhonny Peralta had an OPS+ of 92 last year, two points higher than Derek. Peralta is 8 years younger as well. He signed a 2 year deal for $11.5 mil with Detroit.
and at the same age Jeter is now, Omar Vizquel agreed to a 3 year deal paying him a shade over $4 mil, 5 years ago with San Fran
Derek Jeter Will Sign With the Yankees
For the following reasons:
1. No team is going to make him a better offer than the one Cashman did
2. Derek doesn’t want to retire
3. Derek is not going to take less money to play somewhere else
In the end, I say the two sides compromise and an option year will be included that pays him either $20 mil in year 4 or a $5 mil buyout.
I don’t think that the Yankees are treating Derek Jeter unfairly necessarily.
But they should still be giving him four years. Jeter brings fans to the stadium and we want him here for more than three years.
So give it to him. They’ll make it all back and more.
this is a classic ‘does God exsist’ type argument.
ration vs. faith, worshippers vs. questioners. there is no answer/opinion that can bridge that divide. in the end, nobody’s gonna be entirely happy with the result.
“But they should still be giving him four years. Jeter brings fans to the stadium and we want him here for more than three years”
Fans come to see a winning product. If the product keeps winning w/o Jeter, people will still come. Winning brings fans to stadium.
Look, I wasn’t saying that’s the strategy a team takes to build a winning team. All I’m saying is that having Jeter as our SS for 5 more seasons doesn’t spell a 4th place AL East finish either.
“When have the Yankees done this?” – Kei Igawa is a good example of eating the money. Look what they did with Javy last year. That was pretty much the equivalent of eating a contract, wasn’t it? I could easily see AJ going the same way as Javy and making bullpen appearances.
give Jeter 3 years between $54 & $60 mil…give Mo 2 years & $30 and lets move on…..
know one thing for sure if they didn’t have this guy there would have been more than a few WS that wouldn’t have been won
“Jeter brings fans to the stadium and we want him here for more than three years.”
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Are you sure you will be saying that 3 years from now?
Shame,
You are assuming that Jeter could still play SS in 5 years.
The reason most on here don’t want to go past 2 or 3 years is because they don’t reasonably believe he can play SS 4 or 5 years from now.
Casey Close is real dumb.
He uses, of all the people, Mike Lupica as his tool to communicate his message thru the media. Lupika is dispised by every one from Yankee fans to Yankee management.
Added to that he characterises the Yankee nogotiaitons as “baffling”
That really ticked off Cashman and the owners and they went swinging.
They did not want to be perceived negatively. And they are always at a disadvantage in the PR game in this case.
I do not blame them for it.
In fact it did something good.
Now Casey litarally shut his mouth.
In addtion, now he is the one who has to come crawling back to Cashman to continue negotiaitons.
Now regarding why Yanks are so harsh in their response, we really do not know how the negotiaitons are going. Porbably they are very frustrated with the hardball tactics of Casey and possbily Jeter and decided to air it out as there is really nothing to lose. Casey gave them that opportunity by using the tool Lupika and using “baffling”.
Also, I think Yanks are taking a calculated gamble here.
They are sending indirect message to the agents of Mo and Petttitte to be fair in the negotiaitons and not ask for the moon.
I am doubtful Derek could even play SS 3 years from now.
But because I love him so much and he is an icon, I am willing to give him that 3rd year
I find the arod jeter drama so amusing. First of all, isnt alex the one who was always trying to be like derek?
But seriously this argument or whatever you want to call it is soooooo tired. No one in Jeter’s camp has actually come out and said he wants to play and be paid as much as alex. The press is always trying to make a story out of these two. If you’ve watched any games the past few years ( warning, you wont find this on fangraphs 
) you can see that they get along just fine. This storyline is old.
Kei Igawa is a good example of eating the money. Look what they did with Javy last year. That was pretty much the equivalent of eating a contract, wasn’t it? I could easily see AJ going the same way as Javy and making bullpen appearances.
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Igawa’s 4 million per year? Ok. Javy paid 10 million last year, still pitched 150+ Innings. So they didn’t exactly eat it, did they?
“The other shortstops in baseball are making what they are because when they were just starting out they chose longtime security over taking a gamble that they could maintain there numbers until they reached free agency. What they make has nothing to do with Jeter.”
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Every other SS in baseball chose longterm security over FA?
Also, to grant your point for the sake of discussion. Those deals buy out FA years. Therefore the AAV for those years are calculated as an estimate of roughly what they would get on the FA market.
Maybe arbitration year salaries are not relevant for the few SS who chose longterm securities, but as pat said comps are always relevant.
LGY – I’m not advocating signing him for 5-6 years, I was simply saying that if they did and he held up to at least a ‘slightly below average SS’ level career for those years we could still be a very good team.
This whole argument that Jeter brings fans to the games is misguided.
It is the team winning that brings fans to games.
Look at what happened in the eighties.
Mattingly was as popular in those days.
But they were not winning as much as today and did not draw as many fans to the games.
Even if Jeter is on the team, if the team does not win, many fans do not care going to the games. Unfortunaley, if 2010 is an indication of the future, Jeter will be a liability in a year or two from team performance persepctive.
Shame,
What is the probability Jeter is a slightly below average SS 5-6 years from now?
This is the worst thing sports fans can go through when aging icons get in contract disputes and fans end up taking sides. Yes, Mariano is an aging icon and while he performance remains superb, his stamina and availability is fading. He pitched his fewest games and innings since 2002 this year and his innings have dropped for 5 straight years.
Many ripped the Yankees for their treatment of Bernie Williams but they were right.
I believe 3 years, $ 45 M is excessive, others think it’s a slap in the face. It’s an interesting world and we all have our opinions/perspectives/biases that enter into the discussion.
If the Yanks gave those two what they want they would combine for about $ 40 Million in 2011. $ 40 Million could get the Yanks Lee, Wood, Downs and Bartlett.
Which gives the Yanks the best chance of winning in 2011 and beyond
I find it humorous how people are letting emotion creep into this so much. We are talking about Jeter’s job. I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t work for respect, I work to get paid.
I’d take an employer that will pay me twice my fair market value over a longer guaranteed period than anyone else would over an employer that makes me feel warm and fuzzy everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
Keep the respect and pay me.
Jerkface – If AJ is still in our starting rotation while delivering seasons like last year than you win lol. But I don’t see it going that way. I understand what you’re saying, I do. I wasn’t advocating going with that plan. I’m just saying I think the Yankees will eat big contracts if its the difference between winning and not. (yes, I realize this in relation to the Jeter contract talks is counter-productive)
I really hope AJ turns it around, or they find someone willing to trade for him
Im confused. Jeter didnt win all those rings alone for the yankees, yet somehow if he’s a below average SS we’re gunna be a 4th place AL east team and it will be all his fault?
LGY – I wasn’t predicting probability. I wasn’t advocating the Yankees signing Jeter to a specific number of years. I was just making a statement I believe in: I think even if Jeter was a slightly below average short stop for the next 5 years, we’d still be a competitive team.
That’s all I’m saying here. I get that the likelihood of Jeter producing as he has for the past few years in the next 5-6 is slim, at best. I also know that Jeter has bounced back from bad seasons before. I can’t predict how he’ll hold up over the next few seasons and I’m not trying to.
I believe in the Yankees’ management. I believe they’re committed to winning.
YankeesWFAN On Aug 15 in KC Bryan Bullington gave up 2 hits in 8 inn, 1-0 win over Yanks. Today he was released by KC, signed with Hiroshima Carp.
pat November 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am
“What they make has nothing to do with Jeter.”
Close comped SS in 2000 when he was negotiating his last contract. Comps play a role in any negotiaion.
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The only contract he was compared to was Rodriguez and even at that, it was GMS that upped the original after Rodriguez signed so he wouldn’t be hiring the most expensive shortstop in baseball.
Neither is really here nor there, but, shortstops like Ramirez and Tulowitzki are getting paid about the same as Jeter was over those first 5 years or slightly more. When their contracts run out, the ones they happily signed, they’ll get paid like Jeter…if the clubs can afford them. Jeter went year to year, not necessarily by choice. It seems that it was club policy until Cano.
The situations are not similar.
“Many ripped the Yankees for their treatment of Bernie Williams but they were right.”
that’s urban myth territory.
total BS
It could be that the sticking point in negotiations is not so much the money or length of contract but what happens when Jeter is asked to bat lower in the order or a position change as his skills decline.
Negotiations are going to get ugly, and the Yankees are the ones who will suffer. It is not the contract being offered, it is the attitude and tone of Cashman and Hal’s wording to the press.
I wish they would stop talking about it to the press. Sad to see this happen. Mantle in the twilight of his career, was never disrespected. They quietly came to an agreement.
There is a poll going on at NYPOST, asking who is to blame for the current mess – Jeter or Yanks.
Currently, 72% say it is Jeter’s fault.
BBFan – do they let you know how many Mets fans are voting?
Jeter had already made concessions last year that he won’t be playing shortstop over the life of any new contract, and that a position switch was likely. I have no idea what all the facts are and what he may produce as a player going forward and neither does anybody else. Those pretending they do are full of BS. I don’t know the correct answer to this situation…only what my preference is.
Olney: “The Yankees view the Posada contract as a colossal mistake. Hank and Hal just got the team and Torre had just left. Posada, Rodriguez, and Rivera should all take Torre out to dinner, because they felt the pressure that offseason. They don’t feel obligated to make the same mistakes again. They just won the WS in 2009 and don’t want to make their mistakes again”
I paraphrased but pretty close to what he said.
“Negotiations are going to get ugly, and the Yankees are the ones who will suffer.”
Maybe, but I don’t think so. Jeter will sign with the Yanks, but if he has any extended droughts next year I predict he’ll hear some real boos for the first time.
“Jeter had already made concessions last year that he won’t be playing shortstop over the life of any new contract, and that a position switch was likely.”
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You are assuming the Yankees would be willing to have Jeter on the team if he had to switch positions.
Jeter may think I could just switch positions so what is the big deal, but the Yankees would be nuts to put his bat anywhere else but SS.
When Jeter can’t play SS it is the bench or retirement.
BBFan November 24th, 2010 at 11:53 am
There is a poll going on at NYPOST, asking who is to blame for the current mess – Jeter or Yanks.
Currently, 72% say it is Jeter’s fault.
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Any guesses on how many are Mets/Red Sox fans or those considered to be trolls? Read the remarks sections and you’ll find the answers.
This is stupid, the Yankees offer is roughly double Jeter’s statistical value. No other SS in the game is even close. Hanley signed a deal for 11.7 a year, just last year. Jose Reyes makes 5.3. David Wright makes 9-something and Utley makes 12-something. Those guys are in their primes, produce more than Jeter, and he is still being offered significantly more money than them. The Yankees should be saying that they already ARE offering to pay Jeter for who he is, not just his baseball value.
The last part of the Olney thing should say they don’t feel the *pressure* to make the same mistakes again.
Seriously folks…doesn’t anyone have anything better to do with their lives than talk about DJ and his contract 24/7 ??? I can’t understand how long people can stay on a computer and talk about ONE topic for days and days especially when no one REALLY knows what is going on …
Tomorrow is Thanksgiving ..doesn’t anyone have any cooking to do ??
Go Yankees 2011 !!!
Good God…now Bluster Only is your voice of reason?
GB,
May be you are right regarding the poll.
At the same time, if you take a pulse of the discussions on this board, majority seem to think Jeter is at fault.
Randy —-
What the hell are you talking about. There WAS ripping of the Yanks’ treatment of Bernie and he WAS done as an every day player.
Make a point, don’t toss garbage. You are usually smarter than that
“Any guesses on how many are Mets/Red Sox fans or those considered to be trolls?”
Wouldn’t a Mets/Red Sox fan be more likely to blame the Yanks rather than Jeter? And who would a troll blame? Which side getting the blame is more troll-like? Very murky issues there, I think…
“Good God…now Bluster Only is your voice of reason?”
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Voice of reason? What are even talking about? Just posting what he said and I didn’t comment on it all.
I guess I could just make everything I say up, but that is not my style
JTfromNY November 24th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
This is stupid, the Yankees offer is roughly double Jeter’s statistical value. No other SS in the game is even close. Hanley signed a deal for 11.7 a year, just last year. Jose Reyes makes 5.3. David Wright makes 9-something and Utley makes 12-something. Those guys are in their primes, produce more than Jeter, and he is still being offered significantly more money than them. The Yankees should be saying that they already ARE offering to pay Jeter for who he is, not just his baseball value.
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Ramirez is an outfielder playing at shortstop and when Reyes can stay on the field and out of the doghouse, then perhaps you’d have some sort of point.
Randy for some reason is letting some stats blind him to Bernie’s decline. I had to watch my favorite player drop his career batting line below 300 with 4 ugly seasons
Now I can never say, ‘Bernie Williams, career 300 hitter’ 
New Post (thank you, thank you, thank you): Next season just got a lot easier
LGY,
If Jeter gets the contract years he thinks he deserves he’ll be the highest paid bench player in baseball history.
You cannot put his bat ANYWHERE else on the field or in DH. He’s primarily a singles hitter. We already have better options for LF and 3b and 2b. There is nowhere to play him.
Putting Arod at DH and moving Jeter to 3b would be a colossal mistake. It’s like putting Pena at 3b offensively. Not to mention if they don’t replace Jeter with a great offensive SS the team suffers having to carry a poor hitting left side of the IF with Jeter at 3b and his replacement at SS who can’t hit.
SS is the only position we can afford to carry a weaker bat. Anywhere else and the team suffers.
The only reason to move Jeter to another position is for his celebrity and his pursuit of records.
We all saw what happened to the Orioles when they let Ripken do that.
“I’ll admit, I didn’t expect it to come to this.”
chad-
that’s because you don’t know the dark controlling side of cashman.
every now and then he lets it out before he reels it back in when reality rips him a new one.
his behavior and attitude right now doesn’t surprise me one bit .
he’s bitten off more than he can chew right now though with jeter and rivera.
unless he goes through an attitude adjustment, he’s going to find coal in his stocking this winter.
the stress is already getting to him with him whining about him not having time to get to lee because he has a shortstop to sign who’s being uncooperative.
i actually think CB’s scenario has the highest likelihood of happening where the yankees hardball it now and then look magnanimous in backing off their extreme position later with jeter giving in some too.
however, when there’s two bulls in the china shop with randy levine and hank, anything can happen if they take it to the brink.
that said i think by the time next spring that CB”s other favorite interest – prince willie and katie’s wedding – takes place, jeter and rivera will be winning games for the yankees.
Jeter is a has been. I guess there are no mirrors in his house. I agree with Hal and am glad he said it. Jeter the team player who has more money than God and declining skills wants to stink out the joint how many years? Why? Because his name is Derek Jeter? Sorry. I’m into winning world series not caring about the ego of captain GIDP. He’s not worth $15 mil. Good for the Yankees. He needs the Yankees. Not the other way around. I hope he walks.
Erin November 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am
YankeesWFAN On Aug 15 in KC Bryan Bullington gave up 2 hits in 8 inn, 1-0 win over Yanks. Today he was released by KC, signed with Hiroshima Carp.
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There were more than a few of those inexplicable stinkers at the hands of no-name pitchers weren’t there?
BBFan November 24th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
GB,
May be you are right regarding the poll.
At the same time, if you take a pulse of the discussions on this board, majority seem to think Jeter is at fault.
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One only needs to go back and read past game threads over the last 3 years or so and see what those same people on here were saying about any player they felt let them down. Rodriguez, Rivera, Jeter, Swisher, Pettitte, Burnett, Teixeira. They’re as wishy-washy as the media. I have as little faith in these fans perceptions as I do with the media.
?Jeter had already made concessions last year that he won’t be playing shortstop over the life of any new contract, and that a position switch was likely.?
Where and when did he say that??
Jeter was quoted just last month as saying that the topic has yet to ever come up.
Bluster is a clown and since going to ESPN is more interested in being a controversial TV star than being informative….just like Uncle Jon H.
Anybody tried one of those electric turkey fryers?
That subject did come up last year when they asked Jeter about a new contract.
“Jeter and his agent, Casey Close, recently met with Hal Steinbrenner, Randy Levine and Cashman in Tampa, Fla. Jeter said it was ?a simple meeting, not too complicated,? and that a position change was not discussed.”
This is per Jonathan Abrams of The NYT on Nov 11th, 2010 after talking to Jeter at Torre’s Safe at Home Foundation fundraiser in NYC.
blake November 24th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Anybody tried one of those electric turkey fryers?
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I prefer dropping a frozen turkey into hot oul to watch them fly.
There is no position switch for Jeter now. LF three years ago would have made sense but not now.
Randy — now Cashman is Darth Vader? So what would YOU pay Jeter and Rivera?
It appears that Jeter and the Yankees have never had a meeting of the minds on first sit down with any contract he has ever signed. Contention seems part of the process.
Interesting blog entry with some interesting quotes pulled from the news “back in the day”.
http://captnsblog.wordpress.co.....e-yankees/
GB,
I was just wondering….thought they might reduce the risk of me blowing myself up tomorrow
randy…
“that’s because you don’t know the dark controlling side of cashman.
every now and then he lets it out before he reels it back in when reality rips him a new one.”
and you were calling someone else out for urban myth stories…
In Mantle’s last 6 yrs, he batted .314, .303, .255, .288, .245, .237 and earned $100k / Yr for the last six years of his career (that was huge in the early 60′s). At the time, he was among the highest paid in baseball. It was so simple back then. Superstar icons in their waning years, were still respected for the intangible things that made the team great. Not once, did the Yankee organization complain about Mantle being overpaid.
When I sat in the top row (general admission $1.25) at Yankee Stadium all those years I never heard anyone boo Mantle. Every at bat was greeted with cheers.
I think this “test the waters” attitude has been coming down the pipe all season long. I think that is why Derek has played without heart this season. A few years back when Jeter said he could not imaigine being anything other than a Yankee, did that leave Kid Steinbrenner to disrspect hiim by saying – “If you don’t like it, there’s the door??’
I think Steinbrenner kids are jealous of Jeter. Dad probably loved Jeter like the sons he never had. Funny, how all this has come down AFTER Dad died.
I’m mad at the disrespect for Jeter. He is the face of Yankees baseball. I think 75% of the people when they hear the word Yankees – the mental picture is Jeter.
I’ve always been a fan of both Jeter and Mo. Their agents are making their clients look bad, if not greedy. Neither guy needs the money, that’s for sure. There is NOTHING wrong with Mo accepting a 1 year with an option for $15-16m.
Derek is just screwing the Yankees back for giving Arod THAT contract, especially now that Arod is no longer circa 2003 Arod. Both sides are to blame at this point but the Yankees did the right thing telling Derek to go out there and see what’s available.
I am curious what George would have done….
This whole faux pas bruhaha is SILLY, very silly. Why delay the obvious. Take the 3/45, and remember this is NO ENTITLEMENT. Rather, a simple expression of appreciation for one of the greatest Yankees, ever!!!
Maybe you would have had even BETTER stats had you used PEDs, like your former close friend, A-Rod.and you made a personal choice not too. The players who did had ‘visions’ of $$$-signs. However, many players did profit Indirectly, ….a reflection of managements’ feelings of guilt. But you’ll always have your self respect, knowing that you accomplished many feats (including records) fairly and honestly! Those accomplishments will always allow you to hold your head HIGH. You won’t have to spend your retirement years trying to ‘justify’ your on-diamond exploits. Remember, your’re the team Captain. You’re suppose to stand above the fray.
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