John Sterling meeting fans in the city
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 26, 2010 
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For those of you braving the Black Friday chaos, John Sterling will be meeting fans at Last Licks Ice Cream Store — also a sports memorabilia shop — in Manhattan.
Here are the details as they’ve been explained to me.
Yankees radio voice John Sterling is looking to put a few Pinstripes into “Black Friday” when he meets kids of all ages at Last Licks Ice Cream Store (245 East 93rd St.) in Manhattan on Friday from noon until 2 p.m., where he’ll greet fans and help them pick out the perfect Holiday gift. Sterling has broadcast Yankees games on radio for more than 20 years, and his signature calls are a huge hit with the hometown faithful. Fans can learn more at www.lastlicksicecream.com.
Jeter wants 6 years because that’s what he needs to reach 4,000 hits. He’d turn 42 in the last year of a 6 year contract.
What’s to stop Peter Angelos from giving Derek Jeter a 6 year deal with a 2 year vested option if he reaches 4,000 hits by the end of the 6th year?
Doesn’t the Orioles’ owner have nothing to lose and no other way to sabotage the Yankees than to steal Jeter away?
Didn’t the Orioles attendance sky rocket when Cal Ripken approached Gehrig’s record? Even when the team stunk, the fans flocked to support the team during this historic run. It’s a baseball town that respects baseball history. Seems like a good environment for Jeter to age, switch positions ala Ripken and pursue a coveted record.
Hasn’t Camden Yards emptied since Cal Ripken left?
Buck Showalter is there. It’s debatable but some say (not necessarily me) he laid the groundwork for dynasties in NY, AZ and TX.
Willie Randolph is there now.
I’d say the Orioles are far more interested in Jeter than the Sox.
The Yankees should negotiate downward from their original reported offer.
Sterling needs to be careful out there. There’s a few nut cases (mostly from this board) that are pooling their weekly allowances to put a contract out on John’s tongue.
Sterling used to live at the same condo complex as I once did. He’s actually a nice guy, but not a good broadcaster. As Francesa once said, his broadcasts are entertaining, but they’re not accurate.
…and his signature calls are a huge hit with the hometown faithful.
[citation needed]
Nunez may not hit for the same average as Jeter, but he will probably come close, has equal power(i.e. not much), will hit into less DPs (he’s faster), steal more bases, and play better defense. Additionally, he should improve rather than decline. All for league minimum, so the resources can be used elsewhere (Crawford?).
Let the Orioles have him.
at least with sterling, not every defensive play is the most Ingodly play in history and not every hit is near historic and heroic….like you get with most hometown announcers. I may remind you that Rizzuto wasn’t entirely known for accuracy, either.
***UnGodly***
SJ44 November 26th, 2010 at 11:49 am
LOL.
Peter Angelos isn’t signing a 37 year old SS to a 6 year deal.
Andy McPhail and Buck Showalter would quit on the spot.
That would set that franchise back another 10 years.
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He’s 36. He’d turn 42 in the last year of a 6 year deal. They’d switch him to 3b like they did with Ripken.
Jeter’s still capable of hitting .300 every year through age 40.
A career .315 hitter doesn’t go from .330 to .270 in 1 year because of anything but a fluke season.
Jeter’s a .300 hitter. A gold glove shortstop. A winner.
He’d draw fans as well.
Buck knows him. Willie knows him. The fans respect history.
It’s a deep insult to Jeter to say that he’d “set back” any franchise.
Don’t be so obnoxious.
“Do you realize there isn’t a single person in a high ranking position in the game who believes Jeter won’t resign with the Yankees. Not one.”
sj44-
hope you and your family had a nice thanksgiving .
the problem for the yankee management is if jeter and close decide to let those high ranking officials know that jeter is indeed available.
i think the only thing that would do that is if the negotiations go past new years .
then other teams will start to take jeter seriously.
i agree it would be a high stakes gamble for jeter, but there are way more people that love to hate the yankees out there than love the yankees. if the yankees get tough and nasty with jeter and jeter signs with the red sox, he’ll be a hero to all those yankee haters . jeter’s advertising potential increases as his recognition factor is even higher.
he’ll be the most talked about athlete in america.
Sterling: It is high, it is deep ! It isssss …. caught at the warning track…..
I can’t think about Rizzuto objectively. Admittedly, I just loved the guy. I will say this, he didn’t take himself too seriously.
randy l -
But he won’t be “Jeter” any more.
“The Yankees should negotiate downward from their original reported offer.”
…and the sooner the better to push jeter to exploring those other offers.
i can’t wait to see the feeding frenzy when other teams realize jeter is really available.
I’ve heard visiting announcers call both catches and homers at both Yankee Stadiums when neither was the case. That would leave me to believe that the depth perception or sight lines from the booths were/are not very good.
“But he won’t be “Jeter” any more.”
you mean he won’t be our “Jeter” any more.
… unless some of us go with him.
I really, really hope Jeter stays at the Yankees’ more than fair offer, but it would be kind of fun to see what happens if he leaves.
randy l -
Yes and no.
He won’t be the same Jeter either way.
Here, he will look to some as a spiteful guy; in other markets, he’ll be the guy who stuck it to the Yankees. I realize there is also the faction will see him as a pure victim in all of this if it turns out that he goes elsewhere.
Who knows? Perhaps he’s tired of the image he’s created over the years?
I do truly see both sides here. I wish I could settle on one side or the other, but if you twisted my arm – I just want the Yankees to do what needs to be done to keep Jeter in the fold.
“He’s not going anywhere and he’s not going to destroy his brand.
He’s too sharp a guy to be that dumb.”
sj44-
i actually think you’re right that he’s not going anywhere, but because he is that sharp guy, as you say, he has to make them think he’s going somewhere else.
as far as the brand. i really think that derek jeter is a brand separate from the yankees at this point . especially with tiger gone, jeter is the man.
Luckily like a good little Yankee fan my sis took her winnings and ran.
She said he was a really nice down to earth guy but a little creepy because there is quite an age difference between those two.
And then she didn’t show up the next day despite an invitation to play again at his table.
I filed that one away as a moral victory for all Yankee fans
On the flip side where else does Derek stand as good a shot at winning another title than with the Yankees? Particularly among likely suitors.. the pickings are slim.
“The Yankees should negotiate downward from their original reported offer.”
I hope not because that serves no purpose except to piss Jeter off and push him away from the Yankees which might be what you want, but most Yankee fans don’t want to happen.
Bret,
Get back to me when you see any team sign a 37 year old SS to a 6 year deal. It’s not happening.
Don’t be foolish.
Jeter built his brand with the Yankees, it stands alone now. He has through-the-roof earning potential whether he is playing baseball or not. Jordan, Gretsky, even John Elway did very well when their playing days ended.
Jeter’s marketability transcends baseball. Good looks, impeccable moral character unblemished by steroids or scandal, a winner. Movies, television, books, partnerships, endorsements, business opportunities, memorabilia, team ownership, etc.
I certainly don’t advocate negotiating downward, re-signing Jeter isn’t quite on the level as buying some used lawn furniture.
I certainly don’t advocate signing a dollar more upward until Jeter comes back with a valid, higher offer.
Which he won’t.
Hi all –
I’m a bit late in the Jeter-Yankees discussion here. I have no inside sources, and know only what I read in the papers; taken with a grain of salt, of course.
I really don’t see how Jeter doesn’t re-sign with the Yanks.
This isn’t Johnny Damon and Scott Boras misreading the market. Jeter’s too smart for that, and I think his agent is also. Further, I think they’re both smart enough to realize that Jeter’s marketing is tied to the Yankees brand. Take him out of the NY and pinstripes, and he’s just another jock selling cars and aftershave or Bud Light.
And, after saying all these years that he always wanted to play for the Yankees, and couldn’t imagine playing anywhere else, what’s he going to say if he were to sign elsewhere? “I always wanted to play in Detroit”? “I like money more than the pinstripes”? I guess he could say that he was “disprespected”, but, again, who’s going to offer him equivalent dollars, and I don’t think he’s that bad a businessman to walk away from a good deal because he’s offended.
I really don’t see Peter Angelos, Arte Moreno, or anyone else putting up 5-6 years for over a $100M for a 37-year old ballplayer who’s coming off a bad year. If the ARod contract, paying him great gobs of $$$ when he’s > 40 is “an albatross”, as has been described, then what do you call the same contract for Jeter?
I think this is a whole lot of sound and fury, which is going to account for very little. I think it’s great for Close to start asking for ARod-contract kind of dollars, and to use it as a negotiating tactic. Getting the most money for his client is what Close is supposed to do. But, in the end, I think a deal that works for both sides will happen. It makes way too much sense not to.
Derek Jeter is not Johnny Damon. He saw up close what happened there. And it must have left an impression.
My $0.02.
By the way, aside from Minka, there is a reason Jeter is seen in Los Angeles so much. Don’t underestimate the Csey Close/CAA connection. Derek Jeter has access to and has become friendly with the wealthiest and most influential decision makers in Hollywood. The opportunities that await him if he is so inclined are numerous.
Afternoon, Joe. How did your BBQ turkey dinner turn out?
West Coast Yankee Fan November 26th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Heyman was right on another one – Twins win out on Nishioka. I’m just sayin’. lol
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Heyman didn’t call anything. All he said was the “the twins are very much in”. That’s a tough call for anyone to make. I mean, the Twins only real weakness is the middle infield throught the top of the system. Of course heyman also named about 6 other teams that were”very much interested:. He named 20% of the ML teams. Like you Uncle Jon, you’re not saying much of anything. “lol”
GB I am just tweaking you gently since you dislike Uncle Jon so much. If you were a little more objective you would realize he is a pretty well connected and insightful baseball columnist.
I believe NYY will reluctantly walk away if Jeter insists on a deal closer to 5/100, then NYY 3/45.
IMO, NYY walk away point, anything beyond 3/55.
Of course he names other teams, that’s because there were other teams interested. He did call the Twins first.
“I hope not because that serves no purpose except to piss Jeter off and push him away from the Yankees which might be what you want, but most Yankee fans don’t want to happen.”
It’s partially a tongue in cheek comment which is really meant to indicate that they shouldn’t raise their offer in any significant way.
If the reports of his demands are accurate, and they may not be, the guy (through his agent) is delusional.
As I have said, given the year that he had, his age, and his position, Jeter should be absolutely jumping for joy if the offer to him is $45m for thee years, and he should run, not walk, to sign the contract.
The Yankees don’t have to walk away Jeter, they should just wait until he comes back to them.
The only connection Heyman has is Boras and the newspapers. Hell, Rosenthal has more connections. You ain’t “tweaking” anybody. maybe you should call Cousin Casey to get more scoops on Jeter’s Hollywood desires.
“The Yankees don?t have to walk away Jeter, they should just wait until he comes back to them.”
If it is Jan 14th and Jeter’s camp insists no lower than 4/65, then literally NYY may not throw up their collective hands and take the offer sheet off the mahogany desk, but I think they will make a decision to go in a different direction and start preparing the communications…
IMO, They will reluctantly but decidedly walk away if Jeter doesn’t come back to earth.
does the $150M for Derek include the cost of a time machine?
if so, then I’m all for it.
He named the Twins first? That’s your reason? First in a list of about 7 teams. What if he had named the sox or Mets first? Would he still have called it?
You are wrong about Heyman and Boras. But then again, you are wrong about quite a lot. You are just a blogger with an opinion and no different than anyone else here. But knock your socks off.
Hi GB – We had dinner at the home of our best friends. They are very much into food and cooking. They actually made three birds, one traditionally oven roasted, and the other two done in a smoker. All were good, but the smoker’d ones were very good, moist.
Hope your day was good. I read over some of the input here, yesterday, and liked the discussion of Yankee youngsters. You do a terrific job sharing your info with us.
Similar to reporters keeping scorecards on players, fans should start keeping scorecards on mediots like Heyman.
How do they score? What do they say, when do they say it, are they original scoops? And most importantly does it come to pass.
Most reporters would be lucky to be replacement level…
“If it is Jan 14th and Jeter’s camp insists no lower than 4/65, then literally NYY may not throw up their collective hands and take the offer sheet off the mahogany desk, but I think they will make a decision to go in a different direction and start preparing the communications…”
It’s not going to come down to January 14th!
He was the first journalist to predict the Twins were likely to prevail, I was not referring to the order of the teams. If he had said the Sox or Mets were likely to prevail he would have been wrong. Sometimes he is wrong, like all journalists.
Spite is a dangerous thing.
A team that tries to get “cute” with driving Jeter’s price up is more likely to have it bite them in the butt in the future when the Yankees “become interested” in someone they are trying to sign.
Unless a team really needs a 37 yr old SS for the next 4-5 years at more than $15M per year, all you will hear is crickets if Close made it known they were taking bids from all comers.
“It?s not going to come down to January 14th!”
I sure hope you are right. I do want Jeter for 3/45 and I hope he comes back to earth before Jan 14th to seal the deal.
“Derek Jeter has access to and has become friendly with the wealthiest and most influential decision makers in Hollywood. The opportunities that await him if he is so inclined are numerous.”
Big spoon.
Derek should keep his day job.
Rich in NJ November 26th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
I can’t think about Rizzuto objectively. Admittedly, I just loved the guy. I will say this, he didn’t take himself too seriously
Rich, I was once fortunate enough as a 14 year old kid to spend a good half hour with Phil. I was helping out and he was, without any press or fanfare, making a bunch of blind kids very happy at St Joseph’s School for the Blind in Jersey City that Xmas. Hell of a nice guy, though I agree a bit much in his broadcasting!
Remember when Jerry tried to return the jacket out of spite…..didn’t work.
Joe from Long Island November 26th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Hi GB – We had dinner at the home of our best friends. They are very much into food and cooking. They actually made three birds, one traditionally oven roasted, and the other two done in a smoker. All were good, but the smoker’d ones were very good, moist.
Hope your day was good. I read over some of the input here, yesterday, and liked the discussion of Yankee youngsters. You do a terrific job sharing your info with us.
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Hey, Joe? I was going to try smoking a turkey once but couldn’t find ZigZags big enough to roll a turkey in.
The smoked turkeys are great…like smoked hams, Glad you had a great day. Never liked going to somebodys house for holiday meals, though. no leftovers for turkey sandwiches on whole wheat and mustard, no midnight pie raids.
Yesterday was pretty much another day, except for some bad news, so it was me and the microwave. I thought about going out with “Killer” and friends to his favorite “restaurants”, but, they have some bad table manners.
yanks61
Nice story. Phil did wonderful things for Eddie Lucas through that school.
West Coast Yankee Fan November 26th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
“By the way, aside from Minka, there is a reason Jeter is seen in Los Angeles so much. Don’t underestimate the Csey Close/CAA connection. Derek Jeter has access to and has become friendly with the wealthiest and most influential decision makers in Hollywood. The opportunities that await him if he is so inclined are numerous”
WCYF – I really don’t think the Yankees care what Jeter’s marketing possibilities are in Hollywood or anywhere else. As Cash says, he’s not responsible for marketing, he’s responsible for putting the best possible team on the field. If Jeter prices himself out of Hal’s budget, Derek is gone and the Yanks can go in a lot of other directions with the money saved, as has already been amply pointed out here.
As a Yankee fan going back to the early 50′s, I’ve been fortunate to see numerous great Yanks come and then go. Derek will just be another one.
I love all you’ve done for us, Derek. You’ve been generously paid for all the hard work, but if you now prefer LA, that’s on you, my man. The Yankees have to think about the Yankees. I rooted for the team when they fielded Jake Gibbs, Jerry Kenney and Hoss Clarke. I’ll root for the team after Derek has rode off into his technicolor sunset. And to be honest, I’m getting to the point where I’d be happier if he did.
If this were the WWE, then Jeter could be a good guy one day and a super villain the next. Imagine the possibilities! He’d change his name to Kered Retej, spike players breaking up double plays at 2d base, charge the mound, smoke cigarettes in the dugout, chew tobacco, not shave, slap reporters who “dis” him, text dirty pictures of himself to women, date Lil’ Kim…
But SJ always brings the reality check. Jeter is most likely going to have some turkey and then come back and eat a little humble pie as he signs a deal close to the one on the table. Then he’ll dismiss all the accounts of his higher demands as false. Sheesh. Baseball withdrawal can do funny things to a fan’s head. For a second there I thought Jete was leaving…
Let me start off by saying this (again):
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with asking for the moon and the stars. If an agent did anything other than that, than they wouldn’t be a good agent.
Now, with that said, the problem is that Close is not asking for the moon and stars as a negotiating tactic. He honestly believes that is what DJ can command. Both Close and Jeter are way off and it really does not look good on their part. You also have to understand that an agent persuades (sells) their ideas and game plan with their client. Jeter relies and depends on Close to be accurately judging the market, true values on/off-field, intangibles, etc.
So what you have is an agent first and foremost that is over-valuing his client. DJ did not come up with these numbers on his own. His agent did and convinced him that his proposal is accurate.
If you had a representative (with a long established relationship) telling you that you ARE worth
the moon and stars, you wouldn’t respond by saying, “No I’m not, I’m just not that good.” You’d allow your agent to do his due diligence.
So stop pointing the finger at DJ as a greedy unrealistic spoiled brat.
As of now, Jeter has not done anything wrong, or anything that he shouldn’t be doing. Trust me when I tell you, he’s not sitting home right now whining at all, nor are his feelings hurt. It’s simply the process and aside from what the media tells you, the process is moving forward. Just at a much slower pace than anticipated. It’s business!
Jeter is allowed to hold out and ask for more than he’s offered. Again, asking for the moon and stars is a negotiating tactic. He’s not going to be mad at the Yankees when the best offer comes in at 3/52 with incentives and possibly an option. In fact, he’ll still be “Derek Jeter” with integrity, hard working and proud to be in pinstripes.
Edit: “Now, with that said, the problem is that Close is not asking for the moon and stars as a negotiating tactic.”
Should be:
“Now, with that said, the problem is that Close is not asking for the moon and stars as ONLY a negotiating tactic.”
Ah the spin has started,, Jeter is pure, his agent is out of line, Jeter is great.
jimbaumbach Person familiar with Yankees-Jeter negotiations says Jeter camp is not asking for reported $150 million over six years. It’s less than that.
yanks61 November 26th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
WCYF – I really don’t think the Yankees care what Jeter’s marketing possibilities are in Hollywood or anywhere else.
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Totally agree with you. I never said that the Yankees care or should. My point was if (and I don’t think it is going to happen) Jeter decides to retire he has plenty of options and will make a lot of money. He doesn’t “need” the Yankees anymore. Unless he wants to keep playing baseball which I think he does.
as stated over a month ago Jeter and Mo are not taking a pay per year pay cut ……
I don’t think I did a very good job of articulating my last post. I was trying to limit the the length of it and ended up a bit contradictory.
The point I was trying to make is that Derek is not a “greedy guy”. He is a man of his word, with integrity, who is allowing his agent to do his job.
Jeter is going to be a Yankee. Mark my words and it’s not nearly as much of a circus that the media is making it out to be. Be careful reading too much into all the posts coming out.
Jeter for 3/45 isn’t going to happen so that talk was to stop…….4/90 might be more like it if they want him back
Mo will be 2/36…..
pat November 26th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
jimbaumbach Person familiar with Yankees-Jeter negotiations says Jeter camp is not asking for reported $150 million over six years. It’s less than that.
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I’d guess that they both settle in the middle at around $17.5-$18 mil over 3 years. A 4th year would be the sticking point. A 4th year mutual option at about $13 mil with incentives as a possibility?
# GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
pat November 26th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
jimbaumbach Person familiar with Yankees-Jeter negotiations says Jeter camp is not asking for reported $150 million over six years. It’s less than that.
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I’d guess that they both settle in the middle at around $17.5-$18 mil over 3 years. A 4th year would be the sticking point. A 4th year mutual option at about $13 mil with incentives as a possibility?
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he’s not taking less than he made last year
“I rooted for the team when they fielded Jake Gibbs, Jerry Kenney and Hoss Clarke. I’ll root for the team after Derek has rode off into his technicolor sunset. And to be honest, I’m getting to the point where I’d be happier if he did.”
yeah , but you’ve been happier living in france for the past 25 years too .
you’re not exactly the typical yankee fan.
I already said that the counter-offer was more in the range of 5/100, not what some are claiming of 6/140.
Jeter:
Will get a pay cut, but not all that much including incentives.
Mo:
Will get a slight raise.
I already said that the counter-offer was more in the range of 5/100, not what some are claiming of 6/140.
Jeter:
Will get a pay cut, but not all that much including incentives.
Mo:
Will get a slight raise.
“There’s absolutely nothing wrong with asking for the moon and the stars. If an agent did anything other than that, than they wouldn’t be a good agent.”
I disagree. Reasonableness should serve as a upper limit for any offer/demand made in good faith, and if $150m is true, it’s insane rather than reasonable.
The Yankees made an overly generous offer and would be fools to bid against themselves.
weird it posted twice.
In my opinion the Yankees know there is nothing to be gained by painting Jeter into a corner, having him lose face and irrevocably polluting the relationship. If they want to make this work there is not chance of 3-$45 being their last and final.
Cashman will increase his offer in my opinion to include a fourth year in some manner, shape or form. I think they can also front load the annual salary to give them as much payroll flexibility as possible down the road and for luxury tax purposes.
As good as Jeter has ben for 15 years, as strictly a ball player, he was never a $20 mil a year player. He was worth that when all of the side issues were added in…marketing and such.
Rich in NJ:
that 6/140 is BS. It is ridiculous. Why it’s out in internet-land and who started it, I have no idea. Just like the Yankees offered Lee was debunked. People are intentionally stirring up the hornets nest for self-seeking results.
# GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
As good as Jeter has ben for 15 years, as strictly a ball player, he was never a $20 mil a year player. He was worth that when all of the side issues were added in…marketing and such.
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for sure
“Ah the spin has started,, Jeter is pure, his agent is out of line, Jeter is great.”
Great? Who knows, but I’m sure he’s not an easy-going guy in this context. If you piece everything written about him together, he sounds like a “zero-sum” guy all the way. As a player that’s great. He will never yield. He doesn’t stop until the last out is made.
In a negotiation, that same guy can be very hard to deal with in the give-and-take sense, there are no concessions. The hardest part about the negotiation may be convincing Jeter that the last out has been made. It leads to the Yankees saying “take it or leave it.”
Lost
Maybe so, but in reality, $45m over three years is ridiculously high as well.
If Jeter/Close don’t understand that, they are out of touch.
GB – sorry to hear that yesterday wasn’t so good for you. But, you gotta hang in. As a wise man once said, it beats the alternative.
I saw that comment from pat, where jim baumbach reports that the 6/$150M is off the mark. Makes sense, why would Close make an outlandish proposal, it would only cheapen him, IMO. My guess is that it’s the years more than the money. The Yankees have the money, within reason of course. The sticking point could really be the years. As we’ve seen, roster spots are vital, why tie on up with a player who can no longer perform at the necessary level.
Personally, I don’t think Jeter is interested in being a reserve, he doesn’t even like getting days off. So, years beyond which he can be a productive starter doesn’t seem to make sense to me.
# Rich in NJ November 26th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Lost
Maybe so, but in reality, $45m over three years is ridiculously high as well.
If Jeter/Close don’t understand that, they are out of touch.
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I think what they see is the 1.6 bil that the team is worth
murphy; agreed.
Thanks, Joe. It wasn’t me, but, just a very close somebody. Not totally unexpected, but, not this soon. I got the call yesterday evening from my granddaughter, and given the family situation, it’ll make it tougher.
i hate to ask a dumb question, but if cashman wants to sign lee doesn’t he have to get going pronto ?
i criticized cashman back when posada and mariano last were free agents because i thought cashman let too much land on his plate at one time.
i think he should have taken care of jeter and mariano long before now so he could focus on building the 2011 team.
the rule that cashman has for not extending contracts early or talking about extensions is counterproductive.
now he’s again got way too much going on and is not likely to be able to put in the time on each issue that he should and will be prone to take it or leave it negotiating which isn’t going to help anyone.
“I think what they see is the 1.6 bil that the team is worth”
Yes, that’s why Jeter is being offered a vast overpayment despite his 90 OPS+.
The franchise will continue to flourish with or without Derek Jeter or anyone else.
I think I would have got the Lee deal done first then Jeter and Mo maybe not in that order next
Joe, when I saw that 6 @ $150 mil, I was sure that it was a BS call from the usual suspects. I wasn’t disappointed by the clown that made it. Just surprised that it wasn’t Matthews or Sherman.
# Rich in NJ November 26th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
“I think what they see is the 1.6 bil that the team is worth”
Yes, that’s why Jeter is being offered a vast overpayment despite his 90 OPS+.
The franchise will continue to flourish with or without Derek Jeter or anyone else.
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as stated above Jeter was over payed the day he signed his last contract
randy
You are too focused on Cashman. Large dollar expenditures are the result of organizational decisions, with Hal intimately involved.
They can walk and chew gum at the same time. If Lee wants to be a Yankee, he will be.
Randy, Lee doesn’t seem too anxious to make an immediate decision. Seems like a lot of teams are poking around. I’d think that a date close to Christmas would bring a decision. Mrs. Cliff needs some mad money for Christmas toys and trinkets.
joeman
I think Jeter earned his last contract overall. He was an elite offensive player at a middle infield position. That’s a rare combination, and after A-Rod signed the contract he did with Texas, I think $189m for Jeter was reasonable.
But he is now at an age when he may be a league average offensive player or worse, and despite the Gold Glove, a below average SS.
Cash is a proven big-game hunter, he comes back with the prizes. If Lee wants to be a NYY, he will be. That said, I think NYY also has a walk away point, and Lee is not a must get at any cost.
The problem I have with Cash is his small game hunting,, his roster decisions over the last couple of years have more than once left me scratching my head.
I never said that Jeter was overpaid. I said that he was never a $20 mil a year player. It was the entire package that made him worth $20 mil a year to the Yanks.
Randy – how do we know that Cash hasn’t been working on Lee’s deal? And, it takes two to tango, maybe Lee’s side is deliberately going slow. I agree, if Cash is asleep at the wheel, then that’s a sin. Yet, I believe that we fans who are limited to knowing only what’s being reported really have no idea of what’s truly going on.
“They can walk and chew gum at the same time. If Lee wants to be a Yankee, he will be.”
in hank’s case , smoke too.
i see what you mean though, randy levine has that delicate negotiating touch that closes deals with ball players.
randy l -
My brother-in-law had a theory that when Cashman visited Lee earlier this month, he basically told him, let us know when you’re ready. Kind of like Tex – get your offers and then come back to us. I don’t think Cashman likes getting stuck in bidding wars, artificially amping the price. It sounded like a reasonable idea to me.
joe from long island-
cashman, in dissing jeter last week, himself complained that he should be working on lee, but he was instead having to deal with signing his uncooperative shortstop.
Lee’s agent was not taking offers earlier this month, by the way. Lee via his agent is calling the shots here, so there’s that.
Still, I do think Cashman asked for the opportunity to beat other offers. Just sounds like what he would do.
“in hank’s case , smoke too.”
He’s the family jester.
“i see what you mean though, randy levine has that delicate negotiating touch that closes deals with ball players.”
I try to be objective. If I see a misstep, I’ll point it out. I haven’t see one by the Yankees yet this offseason, other than I think their opening offer to Jeter (if the reports are accurate) should have been lower.
no matter what happens here, jeter’s image has changed for the worse in the eyes of fans. the days of jeter being all about team is over.
As someone said Jete picked the wrong time to have the worst year of his life.
As I said early on, it’s almost like he was spiting them to see if they would sink this low.
Imagine if he had a typical Jeter year, which he can still have IMO.
But therein lies the rub: the what have you done for me lately mentality rears its head.
Was last year a myth or reality of things to come?
Only time will tell, but the Yanks are basing this offer on last years results.
Only time will tell, but the Yanks are basing this offer on last years results.
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disagree. 15 M is a lot of money per year, even if he had a good year.
Rich in NJ -
I haven’t had any quarrel with anything particularly that was said by “the Yankees.” (Until Hank spoke up because he just has such a way with words, you know?)
I suppose, though, that if I’d had my druthers, I’d druther this wasn’t a media event. Perhaps that’s naive, but it’s just a druther, not a denial of the realities of being the big team in the big city trying to re-sign the big player.
He’s the family jester.
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Jester meet Jeter.
Talk about the Odd Couple.
randy l. November 26th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
“I rooted for the team when they fielded Jake Gibbs, Jerry Kenney and Hoss Clarke. I’ll root for the team after Derek has rode off into his technicolor sunset. And to be honest, I’m getting to the point where I’d be happier if he did.”
yeah , but you’ve been happier living in france for the past 25 years too .
you’re not exactly the typical yankee fan
Agreed, Randy, not a typical Yankee fan, but I think my view is shared by an increasing number of fans.
As for being happier living in France, I’d also be very happy living in the States where I still have six brothers and lots of other family, as well as the Yankees, of course! My comments earlier, in the previous thread, were directed to someone who has no idea what he’s talking about regarding quality of life issues. I sold American products to European customers for 25 years and I’m proud of that. There are a lot of Americans living abroad doing valuable things for their country. But my reasons for living here in retirement are personal and really has nothing to do with our discussion about Derek. In a way, living abroad as I do, and still following the team as avidly as I do, shows what a big commitment I have to the Yanks!
Anyway, sorry to reply so late. My French wife just made me a terribly inedible meal and I have to go force it down! Cheers.
disagree. 15 M is a lot of money per year, even if he had a good year.
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yes but it would have been more if he did.
Jeter’s poor numbers this year makes the Yankees’ concern about his future performance justifiable. If he had his 2009 numbers to bargain with any concern would have been more nebulous.
What I mean is, if he didn’t have 2010 numbers, but 2009 numbers in his “walk year,” and no 2010 numbers on his record at all.
Making comments about a wife’s cooking can lead to a very short lifespan.
I wonder if Jeter holding out for as much money as he can has to do in some way with the recognition that his production will ultimately continue to decline. If so, then how much longer can the “Derek Jeter Brand” continue to make money hand-over-fist with all the marketing deals he has made over the years? As much as Jeter has profited on his squeaky clean image, it has always worked in conjunction with the productivity he has displayed on the field.
Will Nike or Gatorade want to continue throw big endorsement at Jeter when he becomes nothing more than a .250 singles hitter or will they look to have another big name baseball personality be their front man?
Is it possible then that Derek Jeter is thinking that he should get as much from the Yankees now for this new contract deal because it will help absorb some of the money he may lose down the road when companies will no longer want to pay him?
The Yanks jumped on the opportunity to downgrade his contract with his bad year.
Other than the obvious reasons to do it, they gladly added this into their arsenal .
On the other hand Jeter can’t justify his supposed asking price either so they play the negotiation game. The press jumps in because it’s their job to sell newspapers and sell air time.
The classic soap opera the American public craves.
As long as it’s not a train wreck everybody’s happy.
GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Making comments about a wife’s cooking can lead to a very short lifespan
Agreed, GB. Which is why I never let her see what I’m typing if I can help it. Damn, I should have just never taught her English!
Now I really do have to run downstairs before Madame has a fit (which is how I stay fit – running at my wife’s command!)
“….The classic soap opera the American public craves….”
I don’t crave it, most of it is BS.
In all likelihood Jeter will re-sign. However, if he does not I hope the Yankees find out quickly to allow them to use the money elsewhere. For that reason, they must have a good feel by the Winter Meetings.
I have seen players come and go. Mantle’s retirement was a loss as will it be whenever Jeter no longer plays for the Yankees. However, I will look as much forward to pulling for my team on opening day whoever is at short.
If given a choice between a winning team in three or or four years or Jeter at short for old times sake, the choice is easy.
Jeter will be 37 in june so with a 6 year contract he will play most of the 6th year at 43 years old.
Also if i am cashman i don’t budge on the 3/45.Leave it there & go about my business & everytime close calls cashman tell him that he better take it or nunez is the starting ss on opening day.
Maybe consider a 5-7 million dollar payday for 3000 hits,thats it,no 4th year.
There is no reason to bid against themselves,they did it with arod & got burned.
Is it possible then that Derek Jeter is thinking that he should get as much from the Yankees now for this new contract deal because it will help absorb some of the money he may lose down the road when companies will no longer want to pay him?
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Good thinking on his part. What sane person would not try to get all he can. He’s not being greedy.
Of course he won’t get what he asks for but what’s the harm in trying? Somewhere there will be a compromise. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a mystery team get involved, whether it’s floated out there by the media or not.
yanks61 November 26th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Making comments about a wife’s cooking can lead to a very short lifespan
Agreed, GB. Which is why I never let her see what I’m typing if I can help it. Damn, I should have just never taught her English!
Now I really do have to run downstairs before Madame has a fit (which is how I stay fit – running at my wife’s command!)
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That was a complaint that I never had about the ex Mrs. Beret. She was a great cook…a beauty that can cook is worth her weight in Yankee shortstops. On occasions that she tried new things…I just choked it down and smiled. My mama didn’t raise any fools.
yanks61-
i was just teasing you trying to make light of the european/american discussion last night.
anyone who lived through horace clark has to be a real yankee fan.
check out this french bakery that opened in my cape cod town this summer:
http://www.pbboulangeriebistro.com/
it’s a couple of parisian bakers who have created the most buzz i’ve seen with a new business on the outer cape in the last 30 years. there were hour long wait lines every day last summer. the nytimes even reviewed them.
they make this innocent looking white chocolate bread that is doesn’t make it home from the bakery if you hit a stop light.
Courtesy MLBTR.com:
2011 FA Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera (36) – Type B, not offered arb
Juan Castro (39)
Craig Counsell (40)
Bobby Crosby (31)
Adam Everett (34)
Cristian Guzman (33)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (35)
Cesar Izturis (31)
Derek Jeter (37) – Type A, not offered arb
Julio Lugo (35)
Nick Punto (33)
Edgar Renteria (34)
Miguel Tejada (37) – Type A, not offered arb
Juan Uribe (31) – Type B, offered arb
Only Miguel Tejada and Juan Castro are older than Jeter. None are as good overall IMO, but still, who would want to pay 25M/year for 6 years??! That’s crazy talk.
As someone posted above, Jeter has already tarnished his image, by seemingly turning down 3/45. While it’s not irrepairable, it’s worth noting that should he struggle during this next contract, many fans will have no hesitation to boo and second-guess the wisdom of a long-term contract.
However, someone once put it in anothe perspective: How would you like your boss to propose reducing your salary by 32%. I think this is part of the issue. I think he can accept 20M AAV, as that would represent about a 10% reduction on 2010 levels.
Sad, most of us would be happy with 2M/year, never mind 15M or 25M. I hope I can argue for an INCREASE as I approach retirement age.
I always saw Old Hoss as being the league average hitter with speed and a good glove. He gets a bum rap having the tag of “Horace Clarke Era” thrown at him. League average during much of thar time was in the .240s-.250s. his first two career homers were grand slams.
Morning Person, I just don’t agree that Alex’s contract is relevant. Jeter is the most confident player I’ve ever come across and I really think he believes he can play at a high-ish level for 5 or 6 years. It really doesn’t matter why he’s asking for what he’s asking – Alex, no Alex, whatever. The fact is, he and the Yankees are at cross-purposes and I just hope the Yankees stay firm on their very fair offer.
Horace Clarke was probably the best Yankee for a few years. He was certainly one of the best all around 2B of his day.
What was this in the previous thread about Cano to SS? That’s a pretty lousy idea…….the guy is an MVP-type player who plays phenomenal defense and we’d move him (at all of 28 years old) to SS so Jeter could play 2nd? That’s never happening.
Rich, no way – now that would be disrespecting Jeter. They should leave the offer as is….
SJ, do you think Cash was telling the “truth” when he said that these negotiations have not left him much time to deal with the other things he needs to deal with (Lee, reliever, etc…)? I can’t imaginie that Cash is not able to multi-task…..
How can Cash get anything with Lee done when Lee isn’t accepting offers? He can’t……..I’m sure they’ve discussed Lee ad infinitum, so once Lee starts accepting, the Yankees will be one of the first ones in.
GB-
Sorry for your loss.
I remember what happened when Andy was offered a contract and took too long to repond, way back when. He ended up signing with the Astros. By that time they had no room for him on the payroll.
I remember when Bernie wouldn’t accept a Yankee offer…he ended up quasi retiring – just walking away (he never officially has retired).
I remember when Damon was offered a decent contract, and he kept posturing. He too ended up signing elsewhere for less than what he initially wanted.
The Yankees don’t capitulate, even for icons.
The yankees are not going to hurt their chances at lee for anybody.
If lee want’s to play for us he will be a yankee.Nobody is going to outbid us.
Lee fully understands that his biggest payday is with us & lee has only 1 shot at this because he is 32 years old & has never gotten that big payday yet.
At this point I couldn’t care less how much money or years Jeter wants. Unless the pitching is fixed, the Yankees , if they make the playoffs, will not advance very far. Use the money to sign Lee and Rivera, and entice Pettitte back for one more year, get another bullpen arm who can get lefties out also, and if Jeter sits out the season, the Yankees will find someone capable of replacing him.
Betsy -
I suppose we’ll really never know whether ARod’s contract is actually relevant or not – unless Jeter himself says so (or his agent). But it is possible that that’s the number that was a starting point for Jeter’s agent. Just a possibility.
My point, though, with regard to Madden’s article, was that they way it was presented, I didn’t get the feeling that he was bringing up ARod just for the sake of opening that can of worms – it wasn’t brought up in a sensational way, I thought.
MP, I didn’t say, though, that Madden was doing it to be sensational. I’m saying that in general the media is and has brought it up just to bring Alex into it; I just don’t think that Alex has much relevancy to what’s going on.
MTU November 26th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
GB-
Sorry for your loss.
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Thanks, MTU. No loss, yet, but coming much sooner than ever the doctors imagined.
I agree with those of you who think that the Yankees shouldn’t budge from their 3/45 mil offer. It is way more than any other team would pay him. If Jeter’s pride is hurt and he chooses to sign with another team for less, then thats just a sad situation. But it wouldn’t make any sense for Jeter to do that. He can make the most money in NY, he is beloved by all Yankee fans, and he can compete for a championship every year. The Yankees hold all of the leverage. They have no reason to up their offer. If the worst case scenario occurs and things fall apart, we can use the money to sign a great player like Carl Crawford, and we can trade either Swisher or Gardner along with some prospects for a shortstop. Hopefully we never get to that point though. I think that Jeters side will eventually cave and accept the offer. They really don’t have any equal alternatives.
Betsy November 26th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
What was this in the previous thread about Cano to SS? That’s a pretty lousy idea…….the guy is an MVP-type player who plays phenomenal defense and we’d move him (at all of 28 years old) to SS so Jeter could play 2nd? That’s never happening.
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That’s not remotely close to what was said.
Betsy -
Alex doesn’t.
His contract may.
Like I’ve been saying for days now, the Yankees should meet Jeter half way and offer 3/60. I think Derek would take that.
“The Yankees don’t capitulate, even for icons.”
yeah, they held posada’s feet to the fire in that last negotiation.
GB-
Again, I am very sorry to hear that. I know the pain of having someone you love leave this world too soon, and without having partaken of it’s fullest measure.
very sad indeed. Peace to the Family.
Jeter and Alex are not close. This was Jeter’s team when A-Rod came here, they had that falling out and it was barely reparable. Jeter is a proud ballplayer and the Yankees giving A-Rod that extension is I am sure relevant to him whether the circumstances were different or not.
Jeter isn’t doing this because he needs the money. IMO, he wants to be – maybe even needs to be – on par with ARod. I don’t think he can stomach the fact that the player to his right will be getting over 25M/year into his early 40s, when he may already be in his decline, yet the Yankee brass won’t do the same for him.
This is Jeter’s team. He’s Captain America. And he doesn’t want to take a significant pay-cut.
Here’s an interesting point: Of the Core Four, only Andy has EVER taken a pay cut while in pinstripes. Jeter evidently doesn’t want to be the second.
Are you kidding me? The Yankees folded like a cheap poker table in a double wide when the Mets were on Posada.
GB whatever your personal loss is I am very sorry to hear that.
Thanks again, MTU. Much appreciated.
“The Yankees don’t capitulate, even for icons.”
yeah, they held posada’s feet to the fire in that last negotiation.
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There weren’t too many good options available, and I don’t recall that those negotiations were under the Hal and Hank. Correct me if I’m wrong.
“Lee fully understands that his biggest payday is with us & lee has only 1 shot at this because he is 32 years old & has never gotten that big payday yet.”
is lee going to be a better 36 year old than jeter?
why should the yankees offer him a 6 year contract?
aren’t they just setting themselves up to be stuck with another aging player?
Much appreciated, WCYF, As I said, not yet a loss, just imminent.
“I don’t recall that those negotiations were under the Hal and Hank.”
they sure weren’t under george.
GB7-
What loss does MTU mean?
We talked a while back, that Cano would better transition to 3rd when A-Rod became a DH.
Dylan- I agree with you. There’s no need to prioritize signing Jeter at this point. Go about the business of beefing up the pitching staff. Jeter claims that he worked out some things and was hitting like his old self. In September and October he hit .276 with no homers and 7 rbi’s, although his OBP did increase to .369.
I actually mentioned a couple days ago that if the Mets were to make an offer, and trade Reyes for pitching….then the Yankees would take notice. Problem is it’s unlikely to happen, but most of us would have sworn 2 months ago that the Jeter-Yankee negotiations were unlikely to descend to what they appear to be now.
One never knows.
Trader-
Somone near and dear to GB is expiring.
GB, stay strong Sarge. And hold on to those precious memories.
Edit: “someone”. Can’t even spell correctly when it really matters.
The Posada negotiation involved another seriously interested team AND no viable alternatives in the system or on the market.
It really isn’t even relevant who ownership was, but I believe it was still George, before Hal and Hank were actively involved.
GB, Simon Jr. tried on his first Yankee uniform the other day, cap and all. Little big on him, but he’ll grow into it. Only 17-18 more years until drafted….
2032 – Starting at SS, Simon Templar, Jr./aka Baby DaSaint
is lee going to be a better 36 year old than jeter?
why should the yankees offer him a 6 year contract?
aren’t they just setting themselves up to be stuck with another aging player?
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Lee’s contract will end just like Jeter’s did, but they will have no compunction to sign him again. And he will likely be a better 36 year old than Jeter.
GB,
So sorry to hear that someone close to you is not doing well. My thoughts are with you.
Also at the time, Posada was not showing signs of decline, and in fact the storyline was that since he entered catching later than most, he would wear well going forward and it wasn’t that much of a stretch for the Yankees in that case to give the extra year.
Agree about Lee. If he stays healthy and maintains that pinpoint control, there’s no reason he can’t be effective, like Greg Maddux was until age 38/39.
GB7- MTU informed me that a dear friend of yours is very ill. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
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Arod’s contract has absolutely no bearing on Jeter. The only people using Arod’s bungled contract as leverage is the media.
It’s amazing how many people have jumped on the bandwagon and are pointing the finger at Jeter. He’s already been convicted of being “a greedy spoiled brat” even though he has not said a single word. It’s all pure speculation.
I’ll remind you that nobody has has “confirmed” the outlandish numbers flying around the internet.
Geez, people give the guy some credit, even if you don’t agree with the numbers, he’s at least earned respect to hear what he has to say and allow the conclusion to prevent itself rather than choose to believe the vultures (err, I mean press) and what they have to say.
Thanks guys, for all of the kind thoughts and words. It’s very much appreciated. She’s a special lady.
In addition to what I just said above. I am not saying that Jeter should get a penny more than the already extremely generous 3/45. I”m just pointing out that Jeter has been with this team for a long time and has always been admirable on/off field and it annoys me that people are staring him down like he’s the devil.
Give him the benefit of doubt until you facts and not just beat writers and bloggers speculations.
Lost – that’s why we’re here – to speculate.
That’s the purpose of this blog.
We don’t work for the Yankees, so we have no way to ‘know’ – so we speculate.
Great stuff to hear, Simon. Get him on the weight and tread mills early. Power, speed and agility. The other benefit, besides helping the Yanks is that you can retire early and be his agent and get your 5%. He can support you in the life that you want to be accustomed to.
DeSaint007:
“Lost – that’s why we’re here – to speculate.”
By all means speculate, assume and discuss. But don’t rip the guy apart without facts is what I am saying.
One thing, Simon. Don’t allow Mrs Templar talk you into letting Little Simon take ballet classes to improve agility. You can’t play shortstop or slide in a tu-tu.
Back for a last quick chat before they cut off the electricity here and I can’t see my way to the outhouse
“That was a complaint that I never had about the ex Mrs. Beret. She was a great cook…a beauty that can cook is worth her weight in Yankee shortstops. On occasions that she tried new things…I just choked it down and smiled. My mama didn’t raise any fools”
GB, I second that! Did you know that Errol Flynn’s first wife was a French actress? In his book, “My Wicked, Wicked Ways,” he claimed she was not only the best cook he ever knew, but also was the most beautiful woman he’d ever met and a champion in bed to boot (and Flynn knew a thing or two about that!) Only problem was that she was insanely jealous and drove him nuts with her possesiveness. He moaned how her lawyers followed him everywhere trying to get every last buck from him.
“check out this french bakery that opened in my cape cod town this summer:
http://www.pbboulangeriebistro.com/
it’s a couple of parisian bakers who have created the most buzz i’ve seen with a new business on the outer cape in the last 30 years. there were hour long wait lines every day last summer. the nytimes even reviewed them.
they make this innocent looking white chocolate bread that is doesn’t make it home from the bakery if you hit a stop light”
Randy, my God, these guys worked for Bocuse and Ducasse! Holy croissants, Batman! No wonder you like living so much up on the Cape!
Just a little story about how I took my wife to her first baseball game just after the Petersen/Kelich wife/family exchange. All she wanted to know was which one was Mike and which one Fritz. Happily I brought along binoculars so she could amuse herself looking for them in the dugout while I watched the game.
Night all.
I absolutely believe arod being there 4 more years after jeter if jeter takes the 3 year contract bothers jeter,jeter is only 13 months older.
Circumstances were much different.
Arod was coming off of an insane year,up there with anybody in the history of baseball,steroids were not an issue yet & just as important,arod is a pure power hitter,power hitters especially ones going after the alltime hr record tend to get paid more.
Jeter just came off a very bad year in wich he had an ops of .633 against rh pitchers in wich he will face 2/3 of his ab.He did fine against lefties,.872 ops.
Imo he will get a little more money,maybe a 4th year or team option.Let’s say 3/51-60 but i would make the 4th year a team option only if a 4th is needed.
If the trend continues against rh pitchers it will be ugly in year one.That has to be a huge concern.
GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
I always saw Old Hoss as being the league average hitter with speed and a good glove. He gets a bum rap having the tag of “Horace Clarke Era” thrown at him. League average during much of thar time was in the .240s-.250s. his first two career homers were grand slams
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OK, still hanging around while I finish reading the last posts. GB, Horace, if I remember correctly, also broke up at least 2 no-hitters in the bottom of the ninth. You’re right, of course, he was not a bad player at the time.
austinmac November 26th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Horace Clarke was probably the best Yankee for a few years. He was certainly one of the best all around 2B of his day
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Yeah, I agree, he really was a decent player during those years. Murcer didn’t have his first big year until 71. My favorite player of that era, though, was Roy White.