Times reports Jeter looking for $23-$24 million per year
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 26, 2010 
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One more Derek Jeter post for the day. Why not?
The newest number comes from the New York Times, which is reporting that Derek Jeter is currently asking for four or five years at $23 to $24 million per season. That comes after multiple reports shot down an earlier story that he was seeking $150 million spread across six seasons.
As I’ve said, it’s always hard to know what to make of these numbers. It may very well be that the Jeter camp initially talked about a massive $150-million deal but never requested it. I may be that $24 million is a legitimate expectation. Could be that $24 million is a starting point from which the Jeter camp expects to begin dealing.
Whatever the absolute reality — wherever each side expects to end up — fact is, five years at $24 million per year and three years at $15 million per year is a legitimate gap. There’s a lot of room between those two figures.
They are crazy if they think they are getting 120 over 5 years. What a ridiculous expectation
3 years 20 per, close the end. slight pay raise.
but to need lock up lee and rivera
Could we see the Captain playing for another team? This negotiation is looking a bit like Damon’s, though the players value is different to the club, the players expectations and the FO offerings seem pretty far apart.
I certainly hope that something gets worked out. Jeter wearing a different uniform would be really tough to see.
Can anyone explain to me how the guy has the worst season of his career, and thinks he deserves a raise?
Put 3 chips in a bag. One represents the 3yr/45M offer. The next represents the 5yr/120M offer. And the third one represents 4yr/80M.
Have a drawing that binds both parties to whichever chip is drawn.
This way both parties can come away saying they thought their position was reasonable and being sporting people they gambled and lost/won. Both parties save face.
With the way things are right now and the gap between them, one of these parties is going to look like the other’s punk.
This is good news, no? This morning the gap was $105M. Assuming the Jeter camp would be OK with 4 years at $23M per, the gap is now less than $50M. At this rate, they should have this settled by the time I get up tomorrow.
3/56 would be essentially a 3 year extension on his previous contract. (same AAV)
Again, I see no reason for the Yankees to move off of their very fair offer. 4/5 years for $23/24 million per is unreasonable to say the least.
I’d like a little of whatever Derek is smoking.
truthfully if these are even close to being true, i am getting sick of jeter (who until last week was my all time favorite yankee). All of this team first crap was obviously not true no matter how this ends. And it is costing valuble time dealing with lee, rivera and whoever else the yankees want to get.
I was busy posting all alone previous thread. Anyway..
First thing I posted this morning was that the 6/140 was BS. If you go back and look, I said the counter was for roughly 5/100.
You don’t have to take my word for it tho.
*sigh*
Also, to repeat myself..
The Yankees are willing to go 18.5 million per for 3 years. This includes all milestones and performance bonuses.
Call it a wrap if Jeter doesn’t take it. If by some miracle he wiggles a 4th year, I would be very very surprised.
here’s the thing. until jeter finds a better offer, i dont see the point in raising it at all, other than a bonus for hitting milestones.
Lost,
3 years at 18.5 is virtually a 3 year extension on his old contract….sounds like a winner.
Lost – the Yankees have to be responsible for creating a mechanism by which Jeter can feel ok about the deal. These people know enough to be creative in terms of option years, incentive clauses, etc. And they have the money to bend a little/
You just do not intentionally humiliate someone of Jeter’s impeccable stature with a first offer take it or leave it threat. He is the team captain, a first ballot hall of famer who shares a pedigree with Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle.
WCYF, is Jeter really that fragile that he has to be massaged into accepting 15 Million Dollars per year? Maybe the Yankees are leaking all of this info, or maybe someone else is getting it out there, but as a fan, i want to know the kind of person we are cheering for and whether his image is BS or not.
Why offer him any more than 3/45 he wont get anything even close to that antwhere else. He should be very happy with that offer and not try to extort the club.
ac1 I don’t think it’s a matter of being fragile it’s a matter of being respected and treated well. Again, negotiations more often than not are as much about the process as they are about the final result. Especially for someone of stature in the public eye. IMO Yankee management has handled this in an abysmal manner.
I feel like Jeter’s pin cushion here! Bring it on! lol
i disagree. immediately, close came out and made it like the yankees were insulting his client. they wanted to fanbase to know that is far from true, and it seems like from all of these reports, what jeter is asking for is an insult to yankee fans and the organization.
Close said nothing aside from a very benign “baffled”. The Yankees sent out the entire brass, Cashman, Hal, Hank and Levine to essentially demean Jeter. They were arrogant, insulting and patronizing. I would never in a million years take that tact with an adversary in a contract negotiation. Never.
“IMO Yankee management has handled this in an abysmal manner”
In as much as they’ve been far too public with it, I’d agree 100%. However, if they quietly presented a 3 year, $45M offer, I’d have no problem with it. It’s a fair deal. It pays him a premium for what he’s meant over the years and leaves him the highest paid middle infielder in the game. He has no reason to expect more.
The process has sucked, but the numbers are right.
For the last time – 3/60m and be done with it!!!
been a fan since CBS owned the team – let him find a better deal elsewhere.
like torre, the yankees made jeter who and what he is – he would have made a fine player for any other club, but the yankees made him into the household name he is today.
3/45 is more than reasonable, otherwise ‘see ya!’
ac1:
1st party to go public about this negotiation was Hal Steinbrenner, followed by “the leaker”, who was likely Randy Levine. Close came in 3rd.
here’s the thing. The original offer was quiet, and apparently turned down. If this never came out, we would all sit here assuming the Yankees made some cheap offer and insulted him. I think they wanted fans to know they made a very fair offer, and then the war started. Of course this could have gone better. Hey, if the Yankees just met Jeter’s ridiculous demands, then this would be over…
I hate how this is going, but i dont disagree with the Yankee position here. Cashman and Hal have been asked to answer questions, they dont call press conferences to hate on Jeter. RL and Hank can go away though…
“The process has sucked, but the numbers are right.”
agreed
No – the Yankees did not make Jeter what he is. Jeter made Jeter what he is. He was a integral part of the Yankees winning 5 championships. He has conducted himself as well as anyone in baseball. No headlines, no drama, no arrests, no hookers. He made the flip throw, he crashed over the railing, he was Mr. October. He is the captain and is respected by other teams almost universally.
You may find a shortstop with his skills between the lines. You will never come close to finding the sum total of his attributes.
I think the public sentiment is running roughly 10-1 in favor of the Yankees. Love #2 but he’s coming off as completely out of touch and money-grubbing. Do he and LeBron share the same PR firm?
The Yankees have treated Jeter well since the day he was drafted. I don’t think you will find too many Yankees’ fans who dislike Derek Jeter…and to be honest, I don’t blame him for looking for the best contract possible. That doesn’t taint his image in my mind – that’s just the reality of life. Everyone wants to squeeze as much as they can – whether you make $25,000 a year or $25 million a year.
But I just don’t want to hear about Jeter being mistreated or not getting the respect he deserves; it goes BOTH ways – Jeter should be respecting what the Yankees have done for him as well.
There is no better deal elsewhere and Jeter knows it.
You may find a shortstop with his skills between the lines. You will never come close to finding the sum total of his attributes.
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That i agree with, and he was paid handsomely for all of that. You know who else helped the yankees win championships? Posada. 5 titles and making 13.1 M. Pettitte: 12 M. Rivera 15 M.
The public always favors management over player…..think back to almost every big negotiation in history.
Jeter has more fans on his side in this dispute than just about every free agent dispute that I can remember (Pettitte when he went to Houston had good support as well) – just because of who he is. But not even Derek can get the vast majority of fans on his side. It’s just human nature to support management when it comes to an athlete’s salary.
Whatever the chasm between the Yankees and Jeter – the first offer was made barely 3 weeks after the world series ended! What was the rush?
The Yankees could have told Close the offer behind closed doors and kept on talking.
Mo would have a better case asking for 20+ than Jeter does.
West Coast, they did make the offer behind closed doors. Both sides did. That’s how they found out that they were so far apart.
Then you keep talking Laura not leak the offer to the press.
Come on…. Offers always make it to the press. This isnt the first time an offer has leaked. All the way back to the year pettitte and the yankees fought over not getting 16 M (when he took 5.5 with incentives), posada threatening to go to the mets, a-rod and the 350M, etc… this is business not a direct insult vs. jeter.
It is silly to so strictly judge the manner in which the Yankees have handled this without knowing what has gone on behind closed doors and what has been leaked by either side.
The term ‘baffled’ may seem fairly benign, but think about what that really means in terms of what has happened in this negotiation.
The Yankees could have come in much lower than what they have. I will assume the 3/45 was either the first offer or an offer before that was close to 3/45. Either way based on the market and how Derek performed last season the Yankees from a pure baseball perspective were crazy for starting that high or in that area.
So think about that.
The Yankees walk into the room and present an offer that takes into account who Derek is and what he provides for the franchise on top of his baseball worth and then some. Not just in money but in years, because it is not likely Derek could get 3 years from any other team. Possible, but not likely.
Then they find out Close is baffled by this. Close attempts to paint the Yankees as the party being unreasonable and mistreating Derek Jeter.
Understandable if the Yankees walk in and present 2/16 to Derek Jeter.
3/45 or something close to that. No. If I was the Yankees after I presented that kind of offer, I would not be happy to be told it is baffling.
Many of you make some good points, thanks for allowing me to share mine. I’m glad we will know how this all shakes out soon. That will be interesting won’t it, to see what the final deal is, how both sides spin it and what the public perception is.
i think we will all be happier when this is done and we can talk about rivera and cliff lee.
According to the article, neither side is talking so you can’t lay all of the blame at Cash’s feet. It takes two to tango.
“No – the Yankees did not make Jeter what he is. Jeter made Jeter what he is.”
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If Jeter played for any other team, especially a smaller market, he would not come close to the iconic status that he has.
Do people really think Derek Jeter is the only player who stays clear of controversy, plays his heart out on the field, and conducts himself with respect? It is insulting to all the other players out there if people really believe that.
Derek Jeter is a first ballot HOF. But, most HOF do not have the privilege to be surrounded by other HOF and so much talent that Derek has.
Derek Jeter constructed this image, but that image was largely built as a result of the media market he is in and the teams he has played for.
And also just the general worldwide recognizability of the New York Yankees.
Nothing good will come from an option.
Most vesting options are based on plate appearances (not numbers). If his option kicks in with a certain number of PAs, Jeter is going to force himself in the lineup enough to reach the milestone, even if his play doesn’t warrant it (or if he’s hurting and keeps it to himself). And if the Yankees try and give him too many days off, there will be a lot of suspicion that the Yanks are doing so in order to save themselves from the option vesting. A major conflict of interest there – Yanks are going to want to keep that option from vesting, Jeter is going to do everything possible to get that option to vest.
Team option – is Derek’s Yankee career really going to end with the team declining an option on him? And if there any $$$ attached to it, the Yanks will essentially be paying him to retire. Mutual option – ditto. Plus, do the Yanks want a large dollar figure of dead money on their payroll that year just to get him to leave?
If the Yanks give him the option, of course he is going to exercise it.
The talk of a 4th year option makes little sense. If the Yankees are in control of it in some capacity, the option will be moot and it will be a 3 yr deal. I don’t see how Jeter benefits at all from an option, aside from the likely large buyout. But if his goal is to play 4 yrs and earn 4 yrs worth of full salary, it ain’t happening unless he gets 4 straight up.
LGY – the problem with your summation is that Derek Jeter has a much different perception of his value to the Yankees. To Jeter the offer was an insult. He felt he had an off year due to a problem with his swing which he fixed with a month to go in the season, without Kevin Long by the way. (A friend of his commented that if Mattingly was the hitting coach it would have been taken care of much earlier).
That’s how Jeter feels. He feels he still can play at a high level.
15 million is a good amount for playing at a high level in your late 30s.
No 4th year option. When the three years are up and both sides want Jeter in pinstripes, he can sign a one year deal then.
Buster_ESPN
You don’t see this very often: Jon Garland walked away from a bigger contract option with the Padres to take a lot less from the Dodgers.
Wow, what a team guy! Must be nice for a team to get a player that takes less to play for a team he likes…
Really good points yanks 27 thanks for that.
jeter getting a ‘raise’ above what he made the last 10 years at age 37 with his skills obviously diminishing is crazy. im quite sure, whatever the final figure, it will be for less aav than his expired contract.
I don’t know what the final Jeter/Yankees deal is going to look like, but I’m watching the Boise St./Nevada game while surfing the internet on a Virgin American flight.
The point is, it doesn’t matter how high you get, you still don’t know what’s going to happen.
Think about it.
Jeter wants a mil for every DP he hits into.
Okay, that wasn’t nice. True, but not nice.
WCYF,
Then either Close is not doing his job right or Derek is just simply not be realistic.
He has to understand the situation and what happened last season. So he either has to accept reality and understand how fair 3/45 is or take a one year deal like Rich suggests and prove he can indeed still play at that high level.
Also, if that anonymous friend thing Heyman cited is true, which I am skeptical about, then I lose a lot of respect for Jetes throwing Long under the bus like that.
BTW,
In the final month of the season, Derek had a .715 OPS in 133 PA. On the season he had a .710 OPS.
In the final month he had a 66% GB percentage and a 12.8% LD percentage. That is an awful split to have.
So, whatever he think he fixed did not show up on the field with production.
im with cashman, let him shop that offer, he wont come back asking for 20 something mil.
LGY, even if Jeter believed that Mattingly stuff, he would never let that get out. I don’t believe he said it.
LGY Bingo!
What had Arod ever won until the Yankees organization went out and spent 1/2 a billion dollars in acquiring C.C., Burnett and Tex?
And Jeter is as along for the ride as any other player on the team they assemble.
If Jeter were any other player at his age and last years statistics, he would be looking at 3/22.5 if he was lucky.
Offering 3/45 is already paying a 50% premium for his iconic status.
Most teams would be offering a one year contract for 5 or 6M to see if he bounced back.
Thats how crazy this whole discussion is.
Nick
Shhh. Don’t tell people about Virgin America. Best kept secret of airlines and if people find out about it I won’t be able to get a reservation when I need one.
Call his bluff & let him walk.
2nd highest player in the history of baseball.
Yeah right.
Stop getting to attached to players that would walk away to take the biggest check out there.
Posada almost did it,mo said he would & so would jeter.
Problem is is jeter can’t get more than 2 years & 24 million if he is lucky.
Did I say Virgin America? Sorry for the typo, I’m actually flying Vegan Alberta.
Grrrr, this is the last time I fly with a bunch of tree-hugging militant veggie Canadians!
One of the biggest downsides of registration is that Nick in SF is always represented as being in SF.
Very confusing
Especially for a guy like The Face who likes to track people on here.
Geez, who knew deep down Jeter is really a greedy pig.
Let him go play for the Wall Street.
I agree, I don’t buy that crap about Jeter and Long……….some friends of Jeters those people are even if it were true.
Jeter should get 3 years and if he’s still very capable at the end of those 3 years, let him go year to year like Andy or give him, at most, 2 years. Jeter is a great, great player – one of the top few SS of all time. However, he needs to recognize his baseball mortality. If he’s so confident that he’s not done, take the offer and prove everyone wrong.
Given recent developments on this website, it’s probably better for my safety that I don’t reveal too much about my specific location.
In fact, I’ve said too much tonight already. There are only a couple Vulcan Alabama flights in the air right now, a sick stalker would have a 50/50 shot and figuring out which one I’m on and giving me a most unwelcome greeting.
If these reports about Jeter’s demands are even remotely accurate, it may indicate that he is preparing himself for his post-baseball career as a comedian.
lol WOW.. I think Jeter needs a drug test because he’s gotta be smoking something.
I’d like to see 4 years at 12 mil or 3 at 15mil .. take your pick or try finding a team that offers you better than that.
Jeter is taking advantage of the team, he turned down 3/45 it is unreasonable. How much of a golden parachute should he get. I think a 1 year 20 deal would be the better option, then watch his numbers go even farther south.
The press would be too much of a distraction to have Jeter doing a 1 year deal.. he’s not at that point yet. He can still play, he’s just not worth Arod money.
If Jeter wants a one year deal, none of the press, which are mostly sycophants, would dare to question it.
Throw off the scent Nick. I remember you mentioned you are not landing in SF
Nick
Don’t let the stalkers get you down. Touch screen yourself a beverage and relax to glow of the purplish cabin lights.
To be clear it was the anonymous Jeter friends who made the comment purportedly:
“The Yankees have made clear they believe $45 million is an overpay for a 36-year-old infielder. Jeter, though, has told friends he doesn’t believe it’s an age issue and that he finally corrected a flaw in his swing with a month to go in the season, a flaw his friends believe might have been corrected sooner had his old friend Don Mattingly still been the hitting coach”.
That part about Long was a throwaway line, even if it’s true, who cares? Wouldn’t be the first player who preferred an old coach to his current one. You think the Core 4 have nearly the same amount of affection for Girardi as they did for Torre?
It was actually a well-written article, albeit very pro-Jeter.
What’s Jeter going to tell his friends? That he’s washed up?
LGY November 26th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
WCYF,
Then either Close is not doing his job right or Derek is just simply not be realistic.
He has to understand the situation and what happened last season. So he either has to accept reality and understand how fair 3/45 is or take a one year deal like Rich suggests and prove he can indeed still play at that high level.
Also, if that anonymous friend thing Heyman cited is true, which I am skeptical about, then I lose a lot of respect for Jetes throwing Long under the bus like that.
BTW,
In the final month of the season, Derek had a .715 OPS in 133 PA. On the season he had a .710 OPS.
In the final month he had a 66% GB percentage and a 12.8% LD percentage. That is an awful split to have.
So, whatever he think he fixed did not show up on the field with production.
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Whatever he fixed did show up in Jeter’s OBP which was .376 in Sept/Oct against the AL East mostly. And his OPS was still an improvement. We do know he had those 17 straight games without a break in June and had the left leg tendinitis bothering him but he kept playing.
Why would Heyman make up something as meaningless as Jeter’s feelings on the hitting coach? That’s why I tend to believe it. The article wasn’t based on that comment anyway. And the other comments from the “friend(s)” make that Long quote believable.
Near the end of the article, the friend talks about how much different the organization is to Jeter now without his allies and Mattingly is listed among the allies.
If you connect the dots, it makes sense.
“The Yankees have made clear they believe $45 million is an overpay for a 36-year-old infielder.”
I missed where the Yankees confirmed the offer was $45M. I remember them saying they made a fai offer but don’t recall them confirming dollars or years.
Oh, and as for Jeter throwing Long under the bus. It is amazing the presumptions that sabermetricians won’t make with numbers but seem to do on here all the time with unquantifiable things, lacking substantive sources, such as a person’s character and integrity.
Jeter never said a disparaging word about Kevin Long – others said positive things about Matingly.
“Whatever he fixed did show up in Jeter’s OBP which was .376 in Sept/Oct against the AL East mostly. And his OPS was still an improvement. We do know he had those 17 straight games without a break in June and had the left leg tendinitis bothering him but he kept playing.”
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If there was a flaw in his swing his OBP is not the best place to look. He could have just been seeing the ball better.
His final month was his worst from a GB and LD standpoint. To put his numbers in perspective, among qualified batters Jeter led the league with a 65.7% GB on the season. 4.6% higher than anyone else. So, it was actually worse his last month of the season. The lowest LD% a player had this season was Aaron Hill with 10.6% and the next lowest was Mark Reynolds with 13.3%.
It is pretty difficult to sell that you fixed your swing yet hit only 12.8% line drives.
“I missed where the Yankees confirmed the offer was $45M. I remember them saying they made a fai offer but don’t recall them confirming dollars or years.”
Good point. I hope both the money and years of their initial offer are lower because $45m over three years should be their absolute ceiling.
“Oh, and as for Jeter throwing Long under the bus. It is amazing the presumptions that sabermetricians won’t make with numbers but seem to do on here all the time with unquantifiable things, lacking substantive sources, such as a person’s character and integrity.”
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I qualified that with a conditional statement.
If…
It is obvious that we need to get younger and it is important to start going in the direction. These long term deals hurt the future of the team, what young ss prospect do we have?
West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 12:13 am
Jeter never said a disparaging word about Kevin Long – others said positive things about Matingly
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Right, but somehow it all conveniently gets twisted in the current Jeter hate-fest. As the Wicked Witch of the West once said, What a world, what a world!
“Jeter never said a disparaging word about Kevin Long – others said positive things about Matingly.”
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IF the report is true which like I said am very skeptical about it is effectively coming from Jeter when a “friend” says it.
But you can’t spin it to say it is not a smack in the face of Kevin Long.
It is quite the anti-Jeter party isn’t it.
I wonder if the Yanks asked Casey Close why Jeter should get four or five years at $23 to $24 million a year. Normally the answer might be that his on-field performance will be worth that much over the coming years, based on some reasonable projection. Or, the answer might be that Team X has offered a comparable amount.
However, we pretty much know that neither of these is the case as regards Jeter today. No other team will offer nearly as much as 3/45. And, no reasonable projection system would have him worth 3/45 over the next 3 years, given his age and coming off his actual 2010.
Therefore, if I’m the Yanks, I pay no attention at all to Jeter’s requested contract. It’s just numbers pulled out of the air. It shouldn’t be used as a basis for negotiation or compromise.
Should the Yanks give Jeter some face-saving increase over 3/45? I used to think so, but as this drags on my opinion is changing. Jeter brought the embarassment onto himself. If he loses face, it was entirely his fault.
You can’t say Hank, Hal, Cash, Levine are all bashing Jeter and then let Jeter hide behind his agent, friends, trainer, etc.
It is not fair because the Yankees do not have that luxury.
David in Cal. It’s Jeter’s perception of his value to the franchise. It’s not about his on-the-field comparative value .
LGY. Why did Levine, Hank and Hal have to make the statements they did? Have you heard Jeter say one word? No. His agent speaks for him. Cashman should have been the only one speaking for the Yankees.
LGY November 27th, 2010 at 12:18 am
“Whatever he fixed did show up in Jeter’s OBP which was .376 in Sept/Oct against the AL East mostly. And his OPS was still an improvement. We do know he had those 17 straight games without a break in June and had the left leg tendinitis bothering him but he kept playing.”
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If there was a flaw in his swing his OBP is not the best place to look. He could have just been seeing the ball better.
His final month was his worst from a GB and LD standpoint. To put his numbers in perspective, among qualified batters Jeter led the league with a 65.7% GB on the season. 4.6% higher than anyone else. So, it was actually worse his last month of the season. The lowest LD% a player had this season was Aaron Hill with 10.6% and the next lowest was Mark Reynolds with 13.3%.
It is pretty difficult to sell that you fixed your swing yet hit only 12.8% line drives.
His LD% was worse in April if you want to get technical about it.
“His LD% was worse in April if you want to get technical about it.”
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Your right. Accidentally skipped right to May when I was looking at his splits. Second worse month.
“His agent speaks for him. ”
And his firends and his trainer and you!
Hey, wait a minute. West Coast Yankee Fan…… are you Minka?
This is Jeter’s justification I believe for his asking price (from the Heyman article). He feels he has contributed substantively to the increase in the team’s valuation. Not alone, but he feels he has played a major role.
1. Jeter, meanwhile, wants to be paid based on what he has meant, and continues to mean, to the brand, to the bottom line and to the franchise.
2. Jeter wants to be paid for his value to the franchise, which has risen two to three times, into the billions, during his tenure (from $600 million in the mid-1990s to an estimated $1.6 billion), and continues to rise. The Yankees have been even more successful off the field than on it. Their Yes Network is worth as much or more than the team itself by some estimates. While they don’t disclose revenues, estimates are that they’re up 50 percent since moving to the new Yankee Stadium.
“Right, but somehow it all conveniently gets twisted in the current Jeter hate-fest. As the Wicked Witch of the West once said, What a world, what a world!”
That must be a world where reality ceases to exist because you seem to equate cold, hard facts with hate.
Pat! LMAO!! Busted.
West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 12:30 am
LGY. Why did Levine, Hank and Hal have to make the statements they did? Have you heard Jeter say one word? No. His agent speaks for him. Cashman should have been the only one speaking for the Yankees.
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I totally agree. There is no reason Levine should to be mouthing off to the media, and then Hal following suit. Even if Jeter’s demands were ludicrous. None of it was public and shouldn’t have been made so by Hal, Levine and then a ticked off Cash.
“I totally agree. There is no reason Levine should to be mouthing off to the media, and then Hal following suit. Even if Jeter’s demands were ludicrous. None of it was public and shouldn’t have been made so by Hal, Levine and then a ticked off Cash”
I find this comment as baffling as Close’s “baffling” comment.
Rich in NJ November 27th, 2010 at 12:38 am
“Right, but somehow it all conveniently gets twisted in the current Jeter hate-fest. As the Wicked Witch of the West once said, What a world, what a world!”
That must be a world where reality ceases to exist because you seem to equate cold, hard facts with hate.
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Huh? How are you connecting hate and facts? What fact(s) are you referring to? I can’t even follow this.
Buh Bye!
“Huh? How are you connecting hate and facts? What fact(s) are you referring to? I can’t even follow this.”
Wait. You said there is a “Jeter hate-fest.”
There are no facts to support that ridiculous claim.
But if you actually think that anyway, I can understand why you can’t follow my post.
Minka-
I figure you must have a vested interest in this to be trying so hard and 50% of his money would be yours so a vested interest in making sure as much as he can get would be more understandable.
I like Derek. I think he’s a good SS and the Yankees best option for 2011 but he was paid over $200M for all those things Heyman thinks he should be paid again for now? If they want to pay him 6/150, fine by me but can the entitlement and canonization please stop.
“Hey, wait a minute. West Coast Yankee Fan…… are you Minka?”
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It all makes sense now.
Notice how
heshe keeps pushing that Derek should split for the West Coast.Jeter should have taken the deal and been thankful. If he was the team player some think he is, he would of signed already. Jeter is bluffing, but coming off a 189 million dollar contract if the yankees dont budge he could retire. There would be some complaints but alot of excitement for a young future star.
No, Jeter was payed previously for what he did on the field. Now he wants to be paid for his role in helping to increase the value of the Yankees franchise to $1.6 billion.
By the way, it doesn’t help the image that the Hal and Hank boys just saved about $500 million dollars in estate taxes they didn’t have to pay. And, that the Yankees had their most profitable year ever, leading the major leagues in attendance, etc.
Another $20 million for Jeter – that’s lunch money for us.
You’re better than that Minka. You don’t really think the Yanks were set up to be susceptible to that kind of estate tax.
“No, Jeter was payed previously for what he did on the field”
How do you know this?
“Now he wants to be paid for his role in helping to increase the value of the Yankees franchise to $1.6 billion.”
So, he’s admitting that he isn’t worth very much for his on the field contributions, yet it’s others who hate Jeter?
“By the way, it doesn’t help the image that the Hal and Hank boys just saved about $500 million dollars in estate taxes they didn’t have to pay”
Are you suggesting that Hank and Hal were somehow involved in the timing of their father’s death?
“And, that the Yankees had their most profitable year ever, leading the major leagues in attendance, etc.”
So your real problem is with capitalism?
“Another $20 million for Jeter – that’s lunch money for us.”
The sense of entitlement that some input to Jeter is nauseating.
Here is a solution. Pay Jeter $19 million for three years and $10 million for a fourth year with an agreement that Jeter will retire after the third year and spend the fourth as a spring training instructor, roving good will ambassador and Yankee representative.
Jeter is going to re-sign with the Yankees. The terms will work themselves out. I couldn’t be less interested in these negotiations, just like I couldn’t have been less interested in the Posada and Rivera negotiations a couple of years back.
There are things that this this franchise truly does need to prioritize and improve. The most concerning thing to me remains the organizational inability to hit with runners in scoring position, particularly in the postseason. I’m a “sample size” guy, if you will. I don’t believe in making broad assumptions from relatively small sample sizes, e.g. those that you see over the course of a postseason. But for the last seven years, this team has gone into a collective offensive deep freeze in every postseason its played in. If Alex Rodriguez and Hideki Matsui don’t provide us with historically great, unrepeatable performances in 2009, we’d still be without a championship since 2000. I really, really feel strongly that this is not something that can continue to be ignored. The Yankees have become a doormat for the upcoming, “feel good” stories of the playoffs much too often this past decade. Its happened with Detroit, with Cleveland, and then this past year with Texas. Its really inexcusable to continue to lose to obviously inferior teams postseason after postseason because your offense has made a habit of going into collective funks.
I think at this point, there needs to be a thorough organizational study done to determine exactly why this is happening, and how it can best be corrected. Because I truly believe that next year’s team could win 110 games and still be much too vulnerable in the postseason again. Is it a personnel thing? Maybe. It might be time to infuse the offense with another one or two “contact” bats, guys that put the ball in play, don’t strike out, and thus can do the necessary things to advance runners beyond third base in the playoffs. Its why I could potentially see Crawford emerging as a priority, perhaps even a bigger priority than Cliff Lee himself. The Yankees could be absolutely fine going into next year with a rotation fronted by Sabathia, Hughes, and Pettitte. They won’t be fine if they continue to lay eggs offensively in the playoffs, while simultaneously getting smacked around by the likes of Franklin Gutierrez, Brandon Inge, or Elvis Andrus.
I can live with losing to Arizona in 2001 and Florida in 2003. I can’t live with losing to blatantly inferior teams consistently October, and its happened too often now for me to just huff, chalk it up to sample size, and move on. This is not a problem that will go away unless it is prioritized early and often, and if steps are taken that allow this offense to perform to its incredible potential. Nick Swisher would be a superstar cleanup hitter for most teams in the league; on this team, he’s rightly regarded as a nice complimentary piece. Its nice to be able to say things like that, but when your superstars become useless in October anyway, the only things that matter are the results. And the results show that the Yankees have been embarrassed by a number of inferior playoff teams in the past decade.
“Here is a solution. Pay Jeter $19 million for three years and $10 million for a fourth year with an agreement that Jeter will retire after the third year and spend the fourth as a spring training instructor, roving good will ambassador and Yankee representative.”
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LGY November 27th, 2010 at 12:59 am
You’re better than that Minka. You don’t really think the Yanks were set up to be susceptible to that kind of estate tax.
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Everyone was susceptible to the estate tax.By dying when he did in 2010, George Steinbrenner saved his family up to $600-million in estate taxes. The estate tax lapsed in 2010 and will start up again in 2011.
Minka must go get her nails done lol. Good night all.
Rich in NJ November 27th, 2010 at 12:47 am
“Huh? How are you connecting hate and facts? What fact(s) are you referring to? I can’t even follow this.”
Wait. You said there is a “Jeter hate-fest.”
There are no facts to support that ridiculous claim.
But if you actually think that anyway, I can understand why you can’t follow my post.
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Actually I was referring to another poster’s comments about Levine’s and Hal’s comments. And yes, there is a fanbase that is reacting rather vehemently and emotionally to the whole Jeter negotiations. Look around the boards and newspaper polls and there are your facts. Social science 101, friend. And I couldn’t follow your post because it wasn’t particularly well articulated.
and for the record, the way to get young, is not to sign Cliff Lee for six years.
“Its really inexcusable to continue to lose to obviously inferior teams postseason after postseason because your offense has made a habit of going into collective funks.”
The postseason is a crapshoot in many ways. MLB history is replete with examples of inferior teams winning a short series.
At least one study, however, by Nate Silver and Dayn Perry, has shown that the three most important factors in postseason success are:
• Closer’s performance
• Pitcher strikeout rate
• Defense
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ane/060405
If that’s accurate, the Jeter and Posada negotiations should matter more than you apparently think, given their defensive shortcomings, and the need for Lee is more important than you think.
“And yes, there is a fanbase that is reacting rather vehemently and emotionally to the whole Jeter negotiations.”
You’re right. It’s the Jeter is more important than the team contingent.
“And I couldn’t follow your post because it wasn’t particularly well articulated.”
Heh. It’s least it’s not illogical and patently false, like yours.
The yankees are trying to be competive but our star players want a kings ransom. The thing is that the yankees have done very well paying big money to get the best players. Jeter is no different he got the big money and now that his skills are diminished he wants to be paid for sentimental reasons. If he had any confidence in his abilities he would have taken a lower contract with lots of incentives. He is just looking for another big payday. It is not like he carried this team on his back there were a couple of other ballplayers on the team.
Rich in NJ November 27th, 2010 at 1:18 am
“And yes, there is a fanbase that is reacting rather vehemently and emotionally to the whole Jeter negotiations.”
You’re right. It’s the Jeter is more important than the team contingent.
“And I couldn’t follow your post because it wasn’t particularly well articulated.”
Heh. It’s least it’s not illogical and patently false, like yours.
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Look, I have no desire to get into some petty back and forth with you. However, you must think social science in general is illogical then. If you went out and looked at the sample sizes, you would not say that my comment was either illogical or patently false. It would actually be a statistically interesting study.
As for the “Jeter is more important than the team contingent,” I am not sure why fans see it as an either/or. That to me is not very logical.
Montero’s bat will give us a player in the line up who is a contact hitter, but also has power. Crawford would be a nice addition but he will want too much money and too many years. Although another lefty contact hitter, who could hit 20-25 HR’s would be a nice addition/.
WCYF-
Again…what does the Steinbrenner’s personal financial situation have to do at all with how much Jeter should be paid? They are OWNERS, he is an EMPLOYEE. Employees get paid for their performance. Jeter has been well paid for his contributions. But the Steinbrenner’s estate taxes or the NYY’s profits have NOTHING to do with Jeter’s contract. His age, GIDPs, limited range, lack of power, etc. are the relevant issues.
Please just get rid of this guy already.
“Look, I have no desire to get into some petty back and forth with you. However, you must think social science in general is illogical then. If you went out and looked at the sample sizes, you would not say that my comment was either illogical or patently false. It would actually be a statistically interesting study.”
yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 12:21 am
“Right, but somehow it all conveniently gets twisted in the current Jeter hate-fest. As the Wicked Witch of the West once said, What a world, what a world!”
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Gotcha.
Who is the younger pitcher that is going to take Cliff Lee’s place and also be a good pitcher?
I originally said 3 for 60 and most people here laughed – still seems like a decent prediction…
I would sign Mo for two years. I would not sign Jeter or Lee. Jeter is done, period. Giving a long term contract to an injury prone pitcher makes no sense. If Pettite wants back for a year, you bet.
As far as Posada goes, he either produces offensively and defensively, or he sits. I would not let him camp out at the DH position. Besides, if he does DH, now you have to carry three catchers.
I am not sold on Granderson’s new hitting ability either. If he stays around, he bats eighth or ninth and plays left field as Gardner is the superior centerfielder of the two.
West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 12:36 am
This is Jeter’s justification I believe for his asking price (from the Heyman article). He feels he has contributed substantively to the increase in the team’s valuation. Not alone, but he feels he has played a major role.
1. Jeter, meanwhile, wants to be paid based on what he has meant, and continues to mean, to the brand, to the bottom line and to the franchise.
2. Jeter wants to be paid for his value to the franchise, which has risen two to three times, into the billions, during his tenure (from $600 million in the mid-1990s to an estimated $1.6 billion), and continues to rise. The Yankees have been even more successful off the field than on it. Their Yes Network is worth as much or more than the team itself by some estimates. While they don’t disclose revenues, estimates are that they’re up 50 percent since moving to the new Yankee Stadium.
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He signed a contract and was paid for those years. Period.
Contracts in baseball are not revenue sharing contracts, per se. You get paid for your projected performance relative to other players.
Jeter would not find anything close to 3/45 from any other team, and that is the bottom line.
If he wants a cut of revenue and appreciation, he should take some of his millions and become a part owner.
“This is Jeter’s justification I believe for his asking price (from the Heyman article). He feels he has contributed substantively to the increase in the team’s valuation. Not alone, but he feels he has played a major role.
1. Jeter, meanwhile, wants to be paid based on what he has meant, and continues to mean, to the brand, to the bottom line and to the franchise.
2. Jeter wants to be paid for his value to the franchise, which has risen two to three times, into the billions, during his tenure (from $600 million in the mid-1990s to an estimated $1.6 billion), and continues to rise. The Yankees have been even more successful off the field than on it. Their Yes Network is worth as much or more than the team itself by some estimates. While they don’t disclose revenues, estimates are that they’re up 50 percent since moving to the new Yankee Stadium.”
He sounds like Joe Torre now and what he said to the Steinbrenners during his fatal contract negotiations.
If I was the Yankees, I wouldn’t budge off my offer and he’s wrong to think he’s the reason why the Yankee brand is worth more. He needs to remember that he’s part of a team and there were other players that contributed to the Yankees on field success not just Derek Jeter.
If he continues to think this way then the Yankee have no other choice, but to remain solid with their initial offer until he comes back to earth with his pie in the sky attitude about his contributions to the Yankee brand. Then and only then will I alter my offer to conclude the negotiations, but Jeter needs to grap some reality before I do that and if that’s not good enough for him then let him play for some other team at 10M a year. Cut off your nose to spite your face. Didn’t Damon from last year teach Jeter anything.
Lest we forget, Bernie was as large a part of the winning as the other four. He was core, too.
The process has only sucked for those who think this is saturday night and if it doesn’t happen NOW, the week was a disaster.
Allow us our titillation, the consummation will only be sweeter, Jeter.
A few thoughts:
… Jeter will NOT sign with any other team. First, 3/$30m is probably the best he could get. Can you imagine what the media and fanbase would say about Derek, if he turned down 3/$45m from his beloved Yankees to play for (insert team here) for 3/$30m? It would be seen as petty, vandictive and stupid. It would KILL his legacy. No more endorsements.
Mr. Team First… Mr. ‘I do the Right Thing’…. Mr. Lifelong Yankee will simply have to get his ego under control. Poor guy will have to settle for only making ONE QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS from the Yankees (plus many millions more in endorsements), the HOF, and an amazing history of starlett shmundie.
Is it not amazing how fast fan opionion has turned around? After 2009, the ‘PAY HIM WHATEVER HE WANTS’ (or any insane number) boat may have represented 1/2 the fan base. Now, while a few fanboys still hold that opionion, the vast majority seem very turned off to Jeter’s view of his own importance, and quite a few are willing to let him walk…. and put that $15-$20m to better use for the team.
Make no mistake… I, and almost every fan WANTS Jeter on the Yankees. It only seems right. But I have not found one person who can tell me how many runs his ‘intangibles’ lead to… or who plays better because of his ‘leadership’. Actually, it was ARod who mentored the C&C boys, and who last year worked with Cano on RISP situational hitting.
Can somebody link to an article telling how Jeter has helped another player on the Yankees?
Where he said something nice about any of the beautiful women he’s dated?
Where he said something effusive about one of his teammates?
After he retires, Jeter will have all kinds of career opportunities (if he wants) related to baseball. That is, IF…. he doesn’t blow his rep. While I think Cashman should hold firm on 3/$45m, I believe there is $5m+/- wiggle room there. Jeter could have come back with 4/$75m… and he would be signed NOW for 3/$52m with some kind of handshake agreement for a potential 4th year, depending on performance.
Instead (much to our amusement) this has turned into a circus, with bad marks for both Cashman and Jeter… although Jeter is certainly getting the vast majority.
In a main stream Media that almost always has a number of writers take ‘the other side’ just to cause controversy, there is almost nobody who thinks the 3/$45m isn’t fair. There is almost nobody who thinks Jeter will sign elsewhere. And yet Jeter’s camp is letting him swing in the air, taking shots to his rep, looking petty in comparing himself to ARod (where there is simply no comparison), looking greedy asking for dollars that are litterally INSANE.
Jeter is commiting career Seppuku.
He needs to get real, for his own sake and the sake of the Yankees and their fanbase.
Here is the Yankees’ attendance history:
http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....atte.shtml
Notice that in the 1980′s, they drew between 2 and 2.5m fans.
Notice that between 1996 and 2000, attendance jumped from 2.2m to 3.2m
Was this because of Jeter?…. Or because of the DYNASTY?
From 1999 to 2003, Derek Jeter’s prime, the growth was small, from 3.3m to 3.47m over a 4 year span (about 170k)
Then, in 2004, attendance spiked, growing by 300k in one year.
And in 2005, attendance spiked again, growing by more then 300k in one year.
So… what happened in 2004 (aside from choking to the Red Sox) and 2005.
What happened in 2004 was we got a new 3rd baseman….
some kid named Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez.
Jeter had little to do with gains in attendance. It was WINNING. Winning puts fannies in the seats. WINNING sells.
However, some Elite players will draw fans.
From 1999 to 2003, Derek Jeter’s prime: about 170k growth
From 2004 to 2007, ARod’s 1st 4 years: over 800k growth.
Morning.everyone
Pete abraham was on inside pitch yesterday:
-Says RS nation is pretty irrate over them letting Vmart walk. Says that part of their reasoning was that Beckett and Lackey didn’t like to pitch to him.
-Says he expects Beckett and Lackey to bounce back.
-exoects Sox to pursue Werth.
-Rs would try to move Dice K if they had a bidder and if they had.another starter to replace him.
-Thinks there is no way Jeter doesn’t re-sign with the Yanks.
-thinks Casey Kellys stock has taken a hit ( for shame Pete)
Blake-
If they get Werth what do they do with Nancy Drew ? Move her to Left ?
Who’s their CF ? Pillsbury ? McDonald ?
They’ll need another catcher to pair with Salty. Barajas ?
Do they keep Youk at 1st or move him to 3rd and get a 1b ?
What do they do with Papelboner ?
Lot’s of questions.
Blake-
And how about the Rays.
They’ve lost their closer and SU man.
They’re about to lose cc and Pena.
Can Brignac handle ss full time ?
Will Nieman and Shields bounce back ? What to do with Garza ?
Will Hellickson work out ?
Also. Tons of questions.
good morning everyone
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving, we certainly did…despite having to watch the Celtics/Bruins, Pats, Bruins again…
SSS, none of the MA family want Jeter and all were angry at losing V-mart
Kate-
Morning to you. Glad your Turkey day was good.
Sorry you had to spend it with a bunch of Sux fans.
Oh well. Guess you can’t have everything.
Not surprised that Sux fans are upset about losing V-Mart.
Makes me happy though. Takes away a good bat from them.
I would not give Jeter more than 45 million ! Maybe some bonus for milestones on top!
45 Million and 3 Years is a good offer!
I don’t care about the money as much as i do about the years and Jeters ability to play short .
4 for 60 ,, with an option for a 5th ( gulp) and incentives for , 3000th hit , Awards, Championships.
I think thats fair enough
All Jeter buisness needs to be completed before the Winter Meetings
IMO.
yeah, I agree…this dragging it out benefits no one
Jeter to the Yankees:
“Try to see it my way,
Do I have to keep on talking till I can’t go on?
While you see it your way,
Run the risk of knowing that our love may soon be gone.
We can work it out,
We can work it out.
Think of what you’re saying.
You can get it wrong and still you think that it’s alright.
Think of what I’m saying,
We can work it out and get it straight, or say good night.
We can work it out,
We can work it out.
Life is very short, and there’s no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend.
I have always thought that it’s a crime,
So I will ask you once again.
Try to see it my way,
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong.
While you see it your way
There’s a chance that we may fall apart before too long.
We can work it out,
We can work it out.”
is there any other yankee in the past 30 years who knows what it is to be a yankee more than derek jeter ?
ask yourself what does being a yankee mean?
what is it that makes the ideal yankee player?
mercenaries come and go.
yes they become part of the winning history, but do they become part of the yankee culture. were they ever really yankees ?
did clemens or leyritz get what it took to be a yankee?
why does pettitte get it and clemens doesn’t?
if you can’t answer questions like that you can’t begin to answer what derek jeter means to the yankees or what his value is.
there is no one who has been and is more of a yankee than derek jeter.
MTU,
Sorry got tied up. Unless they make another move my guess is they would put Ellsbury in CF and Werth/Drew in Left and right….maybe Drew in LF. I.would imagine they will want another catcher to pair with Salty….he’s never caught a full season in the big leagues to my knowledge. Im also guessing if Beltre signs elsewhere then they will move Youk back to 3rd as is easier to find a 1b than a 3b. Pete also said that Theo has said that they are going to bring papelbum back one more year.
Word is the Rays would like to move a starter this winter to make room for Hellickson…..probably would like to.move Shields.
If he doesn’t take the offer soon, then pull it and offer him one year, $19M.
Randy-
Jeter is a rich, selfish hypocrite. Some Captain.
Puts himself ahead of the Team.
And he’s older than Methusellah. Ought to be put out to pasture.
He’s also ungrateful. What other team aside from the Yankees would
overpay a guy like him ?
Did I get it all ?
Randy,
He has done it all right and with class…..and he will this winter as well. This has become something it never should have become but in the end they will reach an agreement and the Yanks will have their captain ( you know the guy who effortlessly took the mic and said the right words to close the old stadium and about George Steinbrenner) back.
Good morning all-
I wonder if part of Casey Close’s negotiating strategy is to simply drag things on in hopes of wearing the Yanks out. You know, let’s just sign Jeter so we can move on with Lee and other business. I still think they need one another too much to not get a deal done. I’m not even going to guess at the terms of it, just that it will get done, and before the holidays.
I think one has to agree with our old friend, Pete, and his take on the Red Sox. No surprises when it comes to knowing their issues.
Randy-
Just remember my motto :
“Let no good deed go unpunished”.
mark it down……he will get 4 years & between $80 & $85 mil….
“Did I get it all ?”
mtu-
i think that about covers it.
“Did I get it all ?”
mtu-
i think that about covers it.
The Amazing Kreskin says :
Jeter will sign.
Mo will sign.
AP will sign.
Lee will sign.
Randy is too funny, like that is the reason why the Yankees should pay him another 50M on top of the 45M to finish his career as a Yankee.
The Yankees need to focus on getting Lee signed. I wonder if the Jeter situation makes them less inclined to offer the money for fear of a public relations hit for offering huge money to Lee but not their long term player.
Cashman better to be able and willing to multiple-task.
I think Cashman needs to go about his business and work on his other moves as Jeter’s camp decide which team is going to pay them more than Yankees.
“Cashman better to be able and willing to multiple-task.”
Don’t forget the offseason after 2008 when he signed three major free agents besides Pettitte.
King Solomon says:
Life is folly. A chasing after the wind.
Enjoy your silly little lives.
Do not make dinero your Daddy.
If Derek Jeter can find anyone willing to offer him more than 3 @ 15per I would be shocked. I certainly hope Brian is not holding up other business while waiting on DJ.
Joe,
I think Casey’s strategy, the only one he has with no competing offers, is to play the emotion card.
I think he’s shocked at the fan backlash.
When you see fan polls running 70-30 in the Yankees favor on these talks, he has to feel “baffled”.
BTW, this isn’t a knock to Derek or what he means to the organization.
However, this is a baseball deal and not a marketing deal.
Without competing offers, and without significant fan outrage (which isn’t going to happen), Casey is going to have to be the guy that closes the gap in negotiations.
The key is to do it in a way to shows compromise AND saves face for Derek.
Going from 25 AAV to 20 is not compromise.
It’s merely going from Pluto to Jupiter with a few more planets to go until he reaches Earth.
In the end, he and the Yankees will reach Earth.
Probably by Mid-December.
‘Just remember my motto :
“Let no good deed go unpunished” ‘
mtu-
that’s way better than gb7′s:
” let no word go unspelled “.
in my order of signing
Lee…don’t like him hanging out there, because if they don’t get him they will have to trade to get a SP & it will cost them
Mo…..should be easy 2 years $30…$36 mil
Jeter…..this is going to take some time to get done
Andy….will let them know what he’s going to do
MTU November 27th, 2010 at 8:51 am
The Amazing Kreskin says :
Jeter will sign.
Mo will sign.
AP will sign.
Lee will sign.
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Yeah, but with who? If Jeter really wants 5 or 6 @ 24 per, I say, thanks for the memories. Whoever is the resident doctor on here must be making a bundle monitoring everyone on here’s blood pressure.
“Don’t forget the offseason after 2008 when he signed three major free agents besides Pettitte.”
he got them real cheap too.
Lee is not signing until the Winter Meetings as he’s dictating that timetable.
Randy,
Did Cashman steal your girlfriend?
JCPD-
He may want it but will soon learn he can’t have it.
COMPROMISE is the name of the game.
They ain’t getting him for 3, and he ain’t getting 5 out of them.
he will get 4 for 80
willing to bet anyone a turkey sandwich
Good morning, morning people.
Is there really anything that hasn’t been said in this at this point? Has it only really been about 2 weeks since the negotiating started? I just hope it’s over before Christmas.
G. Love had something interesting to say last night about how the Yankees hitting seems to disappear in the post-season. While that is disheartening, I think the post-season sometimes becomes the perfect storm for a team, plus or minus. But in the years the Yankees lost, they really did not have enough pitching.
However, I do agree with G. Love that something needs to be done about the Yankees’ situational hitting. Or hitting against junk-ball, finesse-type pitchers. Too many games last year where they were shut down by otherwise mediocre pitchers who had them absolutely “baffled” at the plate. (I had to use that word!) Too many times that the collective fandom moaned when they realized the Yankees were facing a pitcher they’d never faced before. And while the actual facts may or may not prove that they did fine against new pitchers, they’ve done poorly enough for it to become something that the fans are aware of.
I often wondered about whether the scouting reports were accurate, or whether (accurate or not) they have any value at all if the hitters can’t (or won’t) make adjustments.
MP-
That was one of the things I admired and miss about Godzilla.
He seemed to adjust his at bats to the needs of the moment better than just about anybody on the team.
A great “situational” hitter.
I’m not sure it can be “taught”.
Matsui was more clutch than Jeter. And has more class.
crawdady-
50 years from now yankee fans will talk about derek jeter.
just like i don’t remember who mantle’s gm was, no one will remember who jeter’s gm was.
I think it may just take a little time for Jeter and Close to.wrap their heads around everything that’s happened…..in the end though I believe they will wake up one morning and realize that maybe the deal isn’t what they wanted but it still ain’t too shabby. Its tough to admit to yourself that you’re not worth what you used to be…especially for a HOF caliber athlete.
MTU -
I understand why the Yankees decided to target Damon over Matsui last off-season (because Damon could play the field and Matsui really could not anymore), but I think if they’d targeted Matsui, I believe Matsui would have signed.
It ended up not hurting the team, really, since they did end up only 2 games away from a second WS in a row. And you can never know what might have been.
But I missed Matsui and will never get used to seeing him in a different uniform. Damon was easier to take being away – I mean once you’ve seen someone as a Red Sox guy, nothing would seem odd, right?
Randy,
Yet, Cashman preoccupies your mind of today. Let it go then maybe you’ll feel better.
Here is a different angle on the Jeter negotiations:pure speculation. Maybe he is trying to set a new market. Right now the guys who hit the bombs and get the strikeouts get the big bucks. How about the guys who do everything right, stay healthy, and play consistantly good baseball at premium positions. Not flashy. Just help lead a clubhouse and a team. Just help the team win without the bombs and huge RBI totals. The guys who get on base, get into scoring position and score runs when the big bombers are racking up RBIs headed for another big payday. I’m not advocating 23/24 mill but to start there is an eye opener and a statement. I just don’t like seeing Jeter labled as a greedy now mercenary type. Maybe he is but hopefully there is more too it.
Jeter isn’t greedy! He’s doing exactly what the rest of us would do if we were in his position. Asking for as much money as he can get from the Yankees and there is nothing wrong with that because it’s the American Way.
crawdaddy-
you spend way too much time thinking about me.
let it go.you’ll feel better
randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 9:25 am
crawdady-
50 years from now yankee fans will talk about derek jeter.
just like i don’t remember who mantle’s gm was, no one will remember who jeter’s gm was.
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George Weiss, Fred Haney, Ralph Houk and Lee McPhail
“George Weiss, Fred Haney, Ralph Houk and Lee McPhail”
gb7-
we already knew you were the exception to the rule (and that’s an understatement).
but seriously,with the exception of houk, who cares about those guys?
is anyone a yankee fan because of them?
Actually, no. Weiss may have actually cost the Yankees up to 5 more WS because of his racist views of black players. He refused to sign Mays, Arron and Banks, dispite the recommendations of Tom Greenwade (signed Mantle, Ral[h Terry. Murcer and many others).
It’s somewhat appalling that people would take shots at Derek.
Sad, really.
I don’t think the Yankees should give him 6/$150 or anything close.
But I respect his right to “play the game” and negotiate the best deal he can. He is not just a baseball player to the Yankees.
Derek is so well respected throughout the league that I hope there can be common ground. Like it or not, Derek adds a ton of credibility to a team that everybody loves to hate. He helps sell the Yankees to potential free agent signings. He helps to build the Yankee brand around the world.
How much is that worth? I don’t know.
I do know that he has earned the right to at least try to get a big contract without being ripped by his so-called fans.
Are you kidding me?……Hal Steinbrenner- where have you been for the last 15 years? This is not a business deal- this is not about baseball. This is about doing what’s right, paying the piper, judgement day for crying out loud!
Derke Jeter is a living-breathing-batting-running-fielding LEGEND. 1st ballot UNANAMOUS Hall of Famer. Soon to be the ONLY Yankee to achieve 3000 hits. The Yankees all time leader in hits….think about that. Not Ruth, Not Gehrig, Not Mantle, Not DiMagio….JETER. The Yankees play in The House that Jeter Built. Achieved without Steroids, no drugs-no alcohol, page 1 of the Sports section not the tabloids. A man you can be proud your kids look up to. Class in victory or defeat. The Ultimate Yankee!…….
Hal Steinbrenner, we don’t know much about you. We all have your father to thank for memories of a lifetime we have shared in the last 30+ years. Do us all a favor and don’t begin your legacy of running the most popular team in sports by pinching the most popular player EVER. Why we are even talking about this at this point is ridiculous. You should have had a fill in the blank contract in front of Derek’s agent the minute he was eligible to resign and shown the respect he deserves by signing the first free agent of the off-season.
What is Jeter worth? Easy question- whatever he wants! He’s a reasonable man, but give me a break, whatever A-Rod is worth-Jerer is worth more. It’s not even debatable. Alex hits more home runs and in EVERY other regard Jeter is more valuable. I don’t care what A-Rod does the rest of his career….Jeter is The Man and every Yankee fan would agree.
We all know a deal is going to get done. Come on- Derek in a Mets uniform next year as he gets his 3000th….please. So Hal, don’t embarrass yourself and make it obvious you don’t belong in the position by dragging this out.
Here it is, loud and clear from every living Yankee fan, and hell dead one’s too- I’m sure your dad is turning over…….
SIGN THE CAPTAIN TO A LIFETIME EXTENSION AT WHATEVER HE WANTS!.