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A few links on a Saturday night

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ALCS Yankees Wait BaseballJust a few links and notes from this chilly Saturday.

• Over at ESPN.com, Rob Neyer makes the case the Derek Jeter re-signing with the Yankees was never really a sure thing.

• Also at ESPN, Buster Olney looks at the alternatives for Jeter and finds it hard to believe any other team could actually top the Yankees current offer. As always, Olney has a lot of other good notes and such.

Jonathan Albaladejo’s deal in Japan is complete. He’ll make $950,000 with the Yomiuri Giants. Had he pitched in the big leagues all of next season, he would have earned roughly $400,000.

MLBTradeRumors looks at the free agency of George Sherrill. Just thinking out loud, but he could be another fit for the Yankees left-handed relief opening. His splits are good.

• Reading a little bit about Brian Anderson, I found this pretty funny: On the day the Royals announced Anderson’s decision to switch from outfielder to pitcher, their starting center fielder was Rick Ankiel, a starting pitcher turned outfielder.

• It’s not quite Nevada beating Boise State — congrats to Nevada’s own Marc Carig — but it’s always a good day when Mizzou beats up on Kansas.

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129 Responses to “A few links on a Saturday night”

  1. Betsy November 27th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    No point in reading Olney as I’m not an Insider……….

    MMDD, Casey Close’s comments were inane, but we’ve been through that.

    Pat, thanks for the O’Connor tweet

  2. Betsy November 27th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Given that tweet, I don’t think the Yanks will budge off of their current offer.

  3. MDD2 November 27th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    I thought they were quite benign comments, Betsy. Baffling befits the negotiation process that the Yankees chose to pursue. Beat a player down, treat him like he’s Igawa, and put the player who’s given back just as much as he received in his place.

  4. Betsy November 27th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    They’ve beat Jeter down? Treated him like Igawa? What did they do – send him to AAA?

  5. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    the yankees are paying alex a 30 million personal services contract for when he gets so many home runs, when he ties and breaks the hr record .

    jeter has all kinds of milestones coming up why not give him 30 million for those ?

    i don’t care one bit what arod does with home runs because once he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar i don’t trust his home run total at all.

    i care when jeter gets 3000 hits. i care when he passes gerhig or mantle in some category.

    and as far as fielding at 3rd base, alex isn’t good and there’s no excuse for that.
    the more i think about it , alex’s contract is the one that sucks.

    First of all, theres no question that A-rod’s contract sucks. That isn’t up for debate. Its terrible, but A-rod atleast has a place on the team. He can play third, and can DH and likely could handle 1st if they wanted it. Jeter has 1 position where he isn’t a big detriment on offense.

    A-rod gets 6 million for hitting 660 HRs, then 714, then 755, then tying bonds and breaking bonds record.

    So fine, give jeter 15 million a year for 3 years, 3 million for 3000 hits (its been done too many times before), and then 6 million for being the 2nd leading hitter, 6 million for tying Pete Rose, and 6 million for breaking pete rose’s record.

    If Jeter cannot do that in 3 years, then so be it.

    Jeter does not get millions of dollars for breaking yankee records no one cares about. (except you of course).

  6. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    “Jeter does not get millions of dollars for breaking yankee records no one cares about. (except you of course).”

    jerkface-

    people do not care about when jeter breaks yankee records and reaches milestones?

    whatever you say.

  7. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    A-rod contract actually decreases each year. The last year he makes 20 mil (but stands to gain a lot from his HR incentives)

    So maybe

    15 mil + 3 mil for 3000 hits, 10 mil 2012, 5 mil 2013, but the aforementioned 6 mil increases for passing #2 and #1 on the all time hit board.

    Thats fair for Jeter given A-rod’s contract I think.

  8. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    people do not care about when jeter breaks yankee records and reaches milestones?

    Jeter becomes the the 5th all time yankee to hit a double?! No one cares. Becoming the all time leader in HITS for the franchise did not even get as much dap to be worth 6 million. It did feature a lot of slandering in publications such as The Onion though.

    Categories no one cares about: 2B, 3B, RBI, RUNS, Walks

    Categories the average fan cares about: Hits, HRs

    Since Jeter isn’t doing anything HR wise, give him incentives for hit milestones.

  9. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Becoming the all time doubles leader for the yankees is something you see on the jumbotron, and gets a passing mention on the post game, where in Jeter will say he didn’t even know he was close.

  10. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Legends of the game don’t attend games to see the all time doubles leader for a franchise. They come out to see a guy break the HR record or the hit record.

  11. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    jerkface-

    arod’s contract goes till he 42.

    the yankees should work add in a personal services contract that covers as long jeter is playing and setting records and reaching milestones.

  12. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    arod’s contract goes till he 42.

    the yankees should work add in a personal services contract that covers as long jeter is playing and setting records and reaching milestones.

    A-rod and Jeter are not the same player. A-rod’s skill set has longevity that Jeter’s does not. I think the Yankees would be open to giving Jeter a longer contract with milestone records as long as he accepts a much lower base salary.

    Say 5 mil a year?

  13. pat November 27th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    I would imagine that the O’Connor article linked in the last thread has the best insight into the Jeter camps mindsight given his relationship to Derek.

    Conceding a position change at some point is an acceptable possibility is nice but the question of where that would be to is the challenge.

  14. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    it wouldn’t surprise me if jeter outlasts arod playing.

    arod is the one with the bad hip.

  15. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    arod is the one with the bad hip.

    Jeter is the one with the bad bat. A-rod was on a 40 HR pace in a full season with a bad hip. He will out last Jeter.

  16. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    ” A-rod was on a 40 HR pace in a full season with a bad hip”

    when’s the last time he played a full season?

    he may never play another one.

  17. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    when’s the last time he played a full season?

    he may never play another one.

    All the more reason not to load down the team with aging players and expensive contracts, like Jeter. A-rod had 125 RBIs in 137 games, not bad.

  18. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    “A-rod had 125 RBIs in 137 games, not bad.”

    i agree.

    but i thought that you thought rbis don’t matter.

  19. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    And Jeter scored 111 runs, second in the AL and made only 6 errors the entire season, the lowest total among shortstops in the AL. Did I mention he won a Gold Glove?

  20. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Have to speak your language to get you to understand. When dealing with more primitive cultures, it often helps to adopt their speech patterns to get a point across.

    A-rod’s continued ability to hit 30 HRs even in limited playing time is a testament to his baseball prowess.

  21. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    And Jeter scored 111 runs, second in the AL

    Took him 739 plate appearances. 200 more than A-rod. Counting stats are cool, but you need to look at the whole package.

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    FYI From MLBTR:

    Derek Jeter Rumors: Saturday
    By Mark Polishuk
    [November 27, 2010 at 7:49pm CST]

    The latest news on the tug-of-war between Derek Jeter and the Bronx Bombers…

    * We’ve already heard (Twitter link) from Sports Illustrated’s Jon Heyman that the Yankees were willing to increase their offer of $45MM over three years to Jeter. Heyman now tweets that the increase is worth “a couple mil a year,” but Jeter will “have to accept [a] pay cut to stay.”

    * The Yankees “would like to make inroads” about a Jeter contract next week and perhaps have things worked out by the winter meetings, says Heyman in a follow-up tweet.

    * The difficulty of these negotiations has already harmed both Jeter’s reputation and the Yankee brand, argues Bob Raissman of the New York Daily News. Raismann speculates that Brian Cashman may be emboldened to take such a firm stance on Jeter’s contract since the GM experienced no backlash when dealing with another beloved Yankee, Bernie Williams.

    * ESPN’s Rob Neyer says that a new deal for Jeter isn’t really a sure thing, even though most assume it is.

    * A four-year contract worth around $70MM (a “painful sacrifice” for both sides) should be enough to get Jeter re-signed, argues Ian O’Connor of ESPNNewYork.com.

  23. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Wait a minute. I thought that King James disciples didn’t consider RBIs a useful, legitimate stat? When he finds out that you used that in an argument, you’re going straight to Hell.

  24. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    When he finds out that you used that in an argument, you’re going straight to Hell.

    Guess I’ll see you and your family there, save me a spot near the lava!

  25. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Jerkface – Jeter hit lead off, of course he had more plate appearances. Duh.

  26. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    I don’t care what you say about me, but, leave families out of your idiocy.

  27. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Jerkface – Jeter hit lead off, of course he had more plate appearances. Duh.

    And he produced less than other players produce. I’ve already made this point once. If you give anyone enough chances they will do something. Jeter isn’t going to NOT score runs in the leadoff spot, but he will score less than a better player would in that situation. The yankees would be better off batting him lower, and putting a better hitter in the leadoff spot because they get the most PAs.

    He didn’t score an insane amount of runs. Guys who got way less plate appearancse than him were very close to him in runs.

  28. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    I don’t care what you say about me, but, leave families out of your idiocy.

    You may leave me out of your idiocies then.

  29. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    “When dealing with more primitive cultures, it often helps to adopt their speech patterns to get a point across.”

    yeah, i get that. it’s like me having to throw easy if i played catch with a sabermetrician.

  30. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    If you’re using plate appearances for runs scored being the reason Jeter wasn’t good at scoring runs, do you accept Suzuki having the single season hit record even though he had 70 more at bats than Sisler? sounds like the same thing to me.

  31. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 27th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    West Coast, you forgot to mention that Jeter led the league in GIDP. If you are going to list his accomplishments, you have to include them all.

  32. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    If you’re using plate appearances for runs scored being the reason Jeter wasn’t good at scoring runs, do you accept Suzuki having the single season hit record even though he had 70 more at bats than Sisler? sounds like the same thing to me.

    Sisler hit .407 and played in a 154 game season. I have no opinion on the hit record, so I don’t know why you brought it up, but yea you could argue that Sisler’s record was more impressive or he is still the hit king. Just like I’d argue that Ruth is still the HR king.

    Lets try and stay on topic here.

  33. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Laura, have you ever looked at the single season highs for GIDP? Jeter doesn’t show up until #137 and #199. However, Longoria, Pujols, Puckett, Winfield, Ripken, tejada (4 times) are well ahead of him as is Michael Young. Many others are HOFers, and few if any with as many at bats as what Jeter had. Still want to use that?

    http://www.baseball-reference......ason.shtml

  34. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Brandon Weeden a former Yankee #1 draft pick and pitcher is the starting quarterback for Oklahoma State and playing tonight on ABC.

  35. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    If you’re using plate appearances for runs scored being the reason Jeter wasn’t good at scoring runs, do you accept Suzuki having the single season hit record even though he had 70 more at bats than Sisler? sounds like the same thing to me.

    Sisler hit .407 and played in a 154 game season. I have no opinion on the hit record, so I don’t know why you brought it up, but yea you could argue that Sisler’s record was more impressive or he is still the hit king. Just like I’d argue that Ruth is still the HR king.

    Lets try and stay on topic here.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    That is on topic. You’re talking about a number of a certain stat and then using plate appearances and at bats and so was I. Whether it’s runs scored or hits is irrelevant. Now, if you have to back pedal, be my guest, but at least be consistent. In other words, your argument is as full of BS as you are.

  36. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    ???? You are so dumb GB7, you manufacture a completely different point (Ichiro vs Sisler) to try and prove a point, but it doesn’t. Or you don’t know what the point is you’re trying to prove.

    I don’t care about records, using records as an argument does not work. If Jeter got 10000000 PA’s in 1 year I’m sure he’d be the single season HR king.

    That doesn’t make him good at hitting at HRs.

    Just like scoring 111 runs in 740 PA’s in not that impressive when plenty of other players got damn close (or passed him in Tex’s case) in less plate appearances.

    All it says is that Jeter was in a potent lineup. Imagine how many runs would have been scored if he had a good season!

  37. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    ” have you ever looked at the single season highs for GIDP? Jeter doesn’t show up until #137 and #199. However, Longoria, Pujols, Puckett, Winfield, Ripken, tejada (4 times) are well ahead of him as is Michael Young. Many others are HOFers, and few if any with as many at bats as what Jeter had. ”

    gb7-

    could you please not bring up topics that jerkface doesn’t find convenient for his ideas.

  38. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Did you think Ichiro vs Sisler would rile me or something? because I said I liked ichiro in a previous post some where in time???

    Like I am going to rush to defender some stupid single season hit record for Ichiro because I said Jeter wasn’t tits for scoring 111 runs in 740 PAs.

  39. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 27th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    GB, are you saying that Jeter didn’t lead the league in GIDP in 2010 because I know I heard Kay say that on air.

  40. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    baseball teams want the players who do the important baseball things (get on base, hit HRs) at the most rapid clip possible.

    Nearly anyone could get 1 hit in 600 ABs, you get paid for getting 200 hits in 600 ABs. If you put a guy with average speed and a .380 OBP in the leadoff spot, they will out perform 2010 Jeter.

  41. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Jeter did not lead the league in GIDP, though he does own an above average career GIDP%

  42. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Laira, I never said a thing aboit him not leading the league. Only that it wasn’t anywhere near the highs over the years and that players either better or close to equal have hit into more and he seems to be the only one that gets banged for it.

  43. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 27th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Ok. I guess I’m mistaken. I thought I heard Kay say that.

  44. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Jeter led all qualified yankees in GIDP

  45. SAS November 27th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Again, I don’t know one of your short expressions: GIDP????

  46. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    GIDP

    Sorry, SAS. grounded into double plays

  47. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 27th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    GB, he gets banged for it by me because I see them. I don’t watch STL games so I can’t get annoyed at Pujols for doing it too. But thanks for letting me know that he does as it takes him down a peg in the greatest ever debate. : )

  48. SAS November 27th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Thanks GB,

    I thought it was something like that, but I couldn’t get the whole thing.

  49. LGY November 27th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    At least with RBIs you can argue with some conviction that some players are more clutch in those situations and have some people buy it.

    With runs there is basically nothing you can say that is relevant to Jeters ability to score runs. With some players you could say they hit a lot of doubles and triples and or steal a lot of bases. With Jeter he is a singles hitter that didn’t steal that much.

    Unless Jeters presence was willing the players behind him to drive him in how many runs he scored says next to nothing about him.

    If Gardner had led off all year he would have scored a lot more runs than Jeter did. That is all that matters.

  50. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Who gives a damned about your cherry picking numbers. Only sabermetric freaks that only care about your fantasy baseball stats. As far as your earlier comment about you and your uncles King Bill James and Tom Tango trying to “educate” people to understand/appreciate baseball more…give it a rest. You’re failing. The only thing those idiots are looking for are suckers like you to run their yearly book selling scans. You are also dismissed for being irrelevant.

  51. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    So angry.

  52. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Any time, SAS. happy to help. There are a lot of stat pages with abbreviation legends on them that explain what they mean. If you want a link, I’ll put one up for you.

  53. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Not angry, you idiot. Just fed up with your BS

  54. LGY November 27th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Says GB with this face :mad:

  55. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    There are a lot of stat pages with abbreviation legends on them that explain what they mean. If you want a link, I’ll put one up for you.

    Ignore these, SAS, they are made up and don’t prove anything.

  56. Betsy November 27th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    WC, thanks for the link.

    4 years is not happening………….

  57. Betsy November 27th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    I’d like to have this wrapped up by the winter meetings, but I doubt it. At this point, the Yanks should just leave their offer out there and concentrate on Lee, Rivera and other things.

  58. pat November 27th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Derek has had an impressive enough career that his numbers should be able to stand on their own without ripping other peoples stats to prove a point. :sad:

  59. SAS November 27th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Thanks all, but the stats stuff is well beyond my math knowledge at this time of my life. I know the old one like RBI, HR, that stuff.

  60. LGY November 27th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    I knew this girl who used to tell me. I’m not angry, I’m mad or vice versa like they were two different things.

    She reminds me of GB7.
    He is the master at saying I’m not this followed by something equivalent like it is better or different.

  61. PittsburghYankeeFan November 27th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    The thing from the O’Connor article that really pisses me off is that Jeter never gave the Yankees a home town discount in 1999 after they had paid him over arb during his arb years.

    Yes, Derek, it’s a business. You’ve known that for over 10 years. Time to pay the piper, I guess.

    Again, go up to $17 million or so for 3 with an vested option year 4. Take it or leave it, bub.

  62. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
    So angry.
    ______________________

    Lol, you do realize that the person who tries to use the emotion card against someone else, is actually the most emotional of them all. Don’t think you are fooling people by hiding behind your carefully manipulated numbers.:D

  63. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    SAS, here are some of the basic abbreviations. Do you look at baseballreference.com

    it’s a good place to look at all of the past and present player numbers.

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stats4.shtml

  64. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Lol, you do realize that the person who tries to use the emotion card against someone else, is actually the most emotional of them all.

    Sorry I am an unfliching, unfeeling robot who watches baseball on a spreadsheet. I’m also not typing a bunch of troll-ish spaz about ‘who gives a damn’.

    GB7 is the angry one :(

  65. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    I’m sorry, I meant ‘the fed up one’

  66. LGY November 27th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    I wouldn’t trust baseball reference.

    They list Francisco Cervelli as the starting catcher in 2010 and you have to be a complete idiot to see that.

  67. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan November 27th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
    The thing from the O’Connor article that really pisses me off is that Jeter never gave the Yankees a home town discount in 1999 after they had paid him over arb during his arb years.
    ______________
    Why should Jeter have given them a discount? Do you give your boss a discount?

  68. LGY November 27th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    I would ask WTH is the difference between mad and angry and of course she would not take kindly to this. Then I would have to respond why are you getting so mad?

    Which would be met with, don’t you tell me I’m mad! :mad: I’m just angry.

    It was a vicious circle. I wish GB wouldn’t take us down that path :(

  69. MorningPerson November 27th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Mad is “crazy.” Angry is not.

  70. SAS November 27th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    GB,

    Thanks. Those are the kind if abbreviations I understand.

  71. Mell November 27th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    “The thing from the O’Connor article that really pisses me off is that Jeter never gave the Yankees a home town discount in 1999 after they had paid him over arb during his arb years”

    Did they? He actually had to go to arbitration the 1st time and won. 2nd time? He submitted $10.5M. Yankees submitted $9.5M. They settled at $10M

  72. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
    Sorry I am an unfliching, unfeeling robot who watches baseball on a spreadsheet. I’m also not typing a bunch of troll-ish spaz about ‘who gives a damn’.

    GB7 is the angry one
    ________________________
    No you’re not. You just got so emotional that you spelled “unflinching” wrong.:D

  73. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    To err is human, what is love?

  74. SAS November 27th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Jerkface,

    Sorry you need to be told about LOVE

  75. SAS November 27th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    To err is human, to forgive divine

  76. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Disaster in LA. Notre Dame upsets Southern Cal, 20-16.

  77. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    My pleasure, SAS. Happy to help

  78. LGY November 27th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    MP,

    I don’t think that was the issue. Because, if it was why are you getting angry then she would just respond, I’m not angry. I’m just mad. :lol:

  79. MorningPerson November 27th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    LGY -

    Well, at least you said you “used to” know this girl. :)

  80. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Jeter updates:

    SI_JonHeyman
    #yankees would like to make inroads with jeter next week, and maybe even wrap things up by winter meetings. #messy
    half a minute ago via web

    #yankees thought willing to enhance offer to jeter a couple mil a year, but it appears he’ll have to accept pay cut to stay
    2 minutes ago via web

  81. LGY November 27th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    MP,

    Yes. And luckily this is just an ex-friend not an ex-girlfriend.

  82. SAS November 27th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    I can’t wait til Jeter signs with the Yanks and this conversation stops.

  83. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    You and me both. 12 more days of this if Jeter signs by the end of the winter meetings…

  84. MorningPerson November 27th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Ugh. That’s almost 2 weeks.

  85. Tar November 27th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    ” If Jeter got 10000000 PA’s in 1 year I’m sure he’d be the single season HR king”

    I guess that is the explanation for Jeter leading all MLB SS in hits.

    Top ten in hits among all players (if you exclude Ichiro because he had more AB’s. Is that how it works, Jerk.)

    The man had a terrible year for him, yet still led all SS in hits. But with some of you the grass is always greener right? A better, cheaper, younger model– yeah that’s the ticket.

  86. SAS November 28th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    I would like it to all end this week. Enough is enough. I love Derek and want him on the team. I would be glad to intercede and explain that 15M is a lot of money to most of us.

  87. LGY November 28th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    “I guess that is the explanation for Jeter leading all MLB SS in hits.”

    ————————————–

    It actually is very relevant.

    Jeter led all of baseball in PA.

    He had the most hits for a SS, yet had the 8th highest BA. Think about this. Marco Scutaro had 5 less hits than Jeter. Yet he had 44 less PA.

  88. MorningPerson November 28th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    SAS -

    The problem is, they all have so much money that it’s not about money anymore. Call it “respect points.”

    :?

  89. MorningPerson November 28th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Good night. The battery’s “dying” on the laptop. Gotta go plug ‘er in.

  90. Rich in NJ November 28th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Just sign Cliff Lee and call it an offseason.

  91. Bret The Hitman November 28th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Yankees fans who are gonna sit around and bash Derek Jeter all day long are total losers. Out of all targets to pick, they pick the greatest shortstop in the history of MLB. Really gay.

  92. Rich in NJ November 28th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    “Yankees fans who are gonna sit around and bash Derek Jeter all day long are total losers. Out of all targets to pick, they pick the greatest shortstop in the history of MLB. Really gay.”

    Clueless and homophobic is no way to go through life, son.

  93. MDD2 November 28th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    I don’t recall this crowd being as hostile to Vazquez. Unbelievable.

    Funny how I just tried to buy a few things at MLB.com and couldn’t because the Jeter jersey and t-shirt I wanted were on backorder. I’m in the minority here, but I had plenty of purchasing options with other numbers on the back. Jeter could leave the team tomorrow and merchandise with a #2 on it would still outsell the rest.

    I get why media would want a controversy. I just didn’t expect Yankee fans to turn on one of their homegrown players while other teams and their fans laugh. Years from now, Cashman will write a book and I’ll bet he expresses regret for being so shortsighted. Some of you will do the same.

  94. Rich in NJ November 28th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    “I don’t recall this crowd being as hostile to Vazquez. Unbelievable.”

    It is unbelievable that your perception is so at odds with reality.

    No one has turned on anyone. The problem is that any attempt to inject reality into the discussion is perceived by the Jeter is bigger than the team segment as hostility.

    It’s both pathetic and sad, but also somewhat comical.

    If you think $45m over three years is short-sighted, I want some of what you are smoking, even though I no longer smoke.

  95. Jerkface November 28th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    Years from now, in a book about his time on the Baltimore Orioles in the twilight of his career, Jeter will write about how short sighted he was and that he should have taken the original 3 year 45 million dollar offer the Yankees so generously gave to him.

  96. MDD2 November 28th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    I’m not pathetic and I’m not sad…I don’t smoke either. Rich, you are unbelievably rude and disrespectful. And you’re certainly not shy about injecting your reality into the discussion. You do it 42 times a day.

    There is no doubt that $45 million is a huge chunk of change, but that isn’t the point anymore. It’s the tone and tenor of the negotiations that I find disheartening and if you don’t think there is genuine hostility coming from the organization then you are the one smoking something.

    I’m not sure why you bother to watch the games. Why not read the results in the Post or your favorite online publication and just crunch your numbers? You root for the team as if they played on paper while I pay attention to the people on the field. I don’t find that to be pathetic or sad. I find that to be normal.

    It’s okay to think that this particular shortstop deserves more than others because I think he brings more. The line the team drew in the sand does not reflect his past, present, and future contributions — that’s my opinion. He’s not finished and I can’t stand that you and others want to push him out the door.

  97. Jerkface November 28th, 2010 at 2:13 am

    The door must be super far away, if a 3 year deal is pushing him out of it.

  98. SteveB November 28th, 2010 at 2:24 am

    On Rob Neyer’s- “New deal for Jeter was never a sure thing”. This guy does this all the time. He is the champion of 20-20 hindsight, the Monday morning quarterback. Where was his article a month ago when this would have been an original thought?

  99. Rich in NJ November 28th, 2010 at 2:26 am

    “I’m not pathetic and I’m not sad…I don’t smoke either. Rich, you are unbelievably rude and disrespectful. And you’re certainly not shy about injecting your reality into the discussion. You do it 42 times a day”

    You insult people’s intelligence by comparing the Jeter situation to that of Vazquez, yet I’m disrespectful. HFS.

    No, I don’t sense any hostility at all. I see an organization that is willing to pay a player far more than he will likely be offered by any other team.

    Yet you say: “The line the team drew in the sand does not reflect his past, present, and future contributions.”

    When the facts are contra.

    But in the tenuous reality that you have portrayed, it’s a diss. It’s really hard to take you seriously.

    And because I cite stats, my observation is worthless, even though the observation of most reasonable people dovetails with the stats.

    The inescapable conclusion is that you do think that Jeter is more important than the team.

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan November 28th, 2010 at 3:16 am

    All the statistics and analysis about Jeter’s age and his comparative worth with other shortstops totally miss the point as far as I am concerned. The bottom line to me is this.

    Yankee management cares only about profits and the accumulation of wealth for their benefit. They don’t care about the fans or their players.This has been proven time and time again, whether it’s building a moat around the legend seats and denying kids access for an autograph, or the abysmal way they treated Bernie Williams and Joe Torre.

    Now they are doing it to Derek Jeter. The indisputable face of the franchise, a unanimous, first ballot Hall of Famer, a ballplayer whose legendary accomplishments are on a par with Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe Dimaggio and Mickey Mantle. A man whose integrity and professionalism has set the gold standard for athletes for generations to come.

    The Yankees are worth $1.6 billion dollars. In 2010 they led the major leagues in attendance and merchandise sales while posting $441 million dollars in revenues and $25 million in profits. Yet the dour, sullen, corporate duo of Hal and Hank have now decided to embrace a financial austerity campaign after years of doling out money by the truckloads to the likes of Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown, Javier Vasquez, Randy Johnson, Ruben Sierra, Kei Igawa, AJ Burnett, Weaver, Wright and others.

    And Derek Jeter of all people has been chosen to be be the poster child for the Yankees new found frugality. And to make matters worse, to add insult to injury, he has been demeaned and insulted publicly by Levine, Hank, Hal and Cashman.

    The Yankees can pay Jeter. They are so wealthy it wouldn’t make a dent in their ability to compete on the field or continue to increase the value of their franchise. The YES network is a money printing machine, their stadium management company with Jerry Jones is flourishing, merchandise and ticket sales are through the roof and the new Stadium is providing revenues the likes of which have never been seen before in baseball.

    Yes, the Yankees can pay Jeter and they should. They are wrong for trashing him and trying to paint him into a corner with the objective of him capitulating and begin humiliated. You don’t do that to you most valued asset.

    They should give him a four year deal at $18 million dollars a year. And if they have to eat one year because Jeter can no longer compete, so be it. They can afford it. They ate $46 million just with Kei Igawa alone. And they are prepared to give Cliff Lee a six-year deal at $20 million plus. Does anyone really think a 32 year old pitcher with back and oblique problems is going to pitch 6 effective years for them?

    Pay the man.

  101. Jerkface November 28th, 2010 at 3:26 am

    This has been proven time and time again, whether it’s building a moat around the legend seats and denying kids access for an autograph, or the abysmal way they treated Bernie Williams and Joe Torre.

    I don’t know where you come from, but you don’t pay a statue outfielder with a sub .800 OPS, and Bernie declined to come to Spring Training, and Torre long wore out his welcome and quit over being insulted to be the highest paid manager in the MLB.

  102. Jerkface November 28th, 2010 at 3:28 am

    Bernie got his ‘last hurrah’ contract in his final season, a 1 year 1.5 million dollar deal.

  103. Jerkface November 28th, 2010 at 3:29 am

    Bernie hit .333 and then inexplicably lost it, hitting .260 or worse for the next 3 seasons before going out on a ‘high note’ batting .280 with one of the worst on base and slugging% of his career.

    He dropped his career .300 average to .297 by sticking around too long. A shame.

  104. Jerkface November 28th, 2010 at 3:31 am

    Technically it was like 4.5 mil, I forgot they paid him 3 mil atleast for a buy out. Good money for a guy coming off a year he OPS’d .688

  105. West Coast Yankee Fan November 28th, 2010 at 3:33 am

    I respect your opinions Jerface you are obviously a passionate Yankee fan, we just come at this from a different perspective. When you are as wealthy as the Yankees are, you can afford to make the extra effort to treat people decently.

    The Yankees treated Bernie and Torre poorly from a human perspective. No matter what you think of their performance. Profits over people. That’s why so many dislike the Yankees around the country.

  106. Jerkface November 28th, 2010 at 3:42 am

    I’m pretty sure people dislike the yankees because they have a ridiculous payroll and win all the time. Other fans hate THEIR OWN teams for the profit over people stance EVERY OTHER TEAM TAKES.

    You think the Red Sox fans enjoy having Manny, Clemens, Nomar, etc run out of town?? Or the big home grown superstar signing with the Yankees????

    Tell me what they should have done with Bernie and torre. you realize they offered torre a contract that made him the highest paid manager in the league by 3 million BEFORE incentives, right?

  107. West Coast Yankee Fan November 28th, 2010 at 3:46 am

    I don’t want to rehash the Bernie and Torre details again, they are well known by all of us. It’s a matter of perspective and how management decides to treat employees.

    We just see this differently and that’s ok. Good night.

  108. Jerkface November 28th, 2010 at 3:48 am

    Bernie was run into the ground for 4 straight seasons of sub-par play, what more could the Yankees do??? They’re running a baseball team not a feel-good variety hour.

  109. RabidYankee November 28th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Well said Jerkface.

    As for Torre, the Yankees gave him way too many chances. The guy wasn’t that good of an in-game manager period. They would’ve been justified for firing him on the spot for bringing in Jeff Weaver instead of Mo in 2003.

    Then you have the refuse to bunt on Schilling debacle “because we don’t play that way.” Also, he wanted way too long to bring Mo in game 5 in 2004, bringing Tom Gordon in instead.

    Then there’s batting Arod 8th in 2006.

    Also the constant mismanagement of the bullpen arms, burning valuable relievers in Gordon, Sturtze, Vizcaino, Proctor.

    Refusing to pull the team off the field in the midges game in Cleveland (he even admitted this mistake).

    On top of all that, he was still offered the highest manager contract in baseball. Then he goes onto HBO and everywhere else whining about how he was mistreated. Then out comes the tell all stab your players in the back book.

    Sometimes alittle perspective goes along way.

    West Coast Fan: if you still feel the Yankees are always in the wrong about everything, then why are you still a fan?

  110. randy l. November 28th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    “No one has turned on anyone. The problem is that any attempt to inject reality into the discussion is perceived by the Jeter is bigger than the team segment as hostility.”

    actually, the management is perceived by many of us to think of themselves as bigger than the team.

    how are randy levine, cashman, hal, and hank being team players by acting like they are more important than the best player the yankees have had in three generations?

    levine has told jeter that his is a player, much in the way hank would look at a horse he owned.
    cashman has told him to check his options elsewhere.

    if this is what they are saying publicly , we can imagine what they are saying privately.

    baseball really has to move a third team into the new york market to dilute the built in advantage that the yankees have for revenue generating. the present yankee management has become arrogant from shooting fish in a barrel.

    they actually think because they are making a lot of money they are good at what they do.
    unlike jeter who could do just fine with another team, if you put the present yankee management in a place like minnesota they would end up closer to last than first.

    it is ironic they are pressuring jeter for a perceived lack of performance when they with the nyc barrel they get to shoot in still have trouble hitting a fish but once every ten years.

  111. ron November 28th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Jeter want’s 4 or 5 years at 23 or 24 million a year.

    I would give him a 3/69 contract with a team option & tell them they will not get another offer.

  112. MorningPerson November 28th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    When did MInnesota last win a WS?

  113. MorningPerson November 28th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    I would say good morning, but it appears there was no sleep for the weary last night. ;)

  114. MTU November 28th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Where are King Solomon and Aristotle when you REALLY need them ?

    :)

  115. blake November 28th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Really hope that report is accurate and they can get a deal done with Jeter this week…

  116. MTU November 28th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Man has split the atom.

    Decipered the Genetic Code.

    And walked on the surface of the Moon.

    But he seems to have reached his limit in deciding what’s fair to Derek Jeter and the NY Yankees.

    ?

    :)

  117. randy l. November 28th, 2010 at 8:59 am

    http://www.silive.com/sports/a.....he_ya.html

    “Jeter may not be Jeter anymore. What ballplayer is at his age?
    And on a totally unemotional level, he might not deserve the $45 million the Yankees have offered. The Yankees captain may even have been a little too sensitive about the way the negotiations have been handled.
    But let Jeter go, then miss the playoffs, and see what Yankees fans will think of H&H Steinbrenner.
    The cost of that will far outweigh anything the Yankees are trying to save in the Jeter contract.
    I’m betting it would still take a gigantic screw-up all the way around for Jeter to be somewhere else in April.
    But, after the past two weeks, it does appear at least a slim possibility.
    And that’s something H&H Steinbrenner better avoid.”

  118. randy l. November 28th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    mtu-

    yankee management is screwed on this one.

    of course that’ll probably lead to a compromise deal like people like CB said in the beginning.

  119. MTU November 28th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Randy-

    I thought GB made an excellent proposal on how to solve this Jeter thing the other day.

    It involved incentives and options.

    Both sides need to compromise to get this done.

    And both need to feel some pain in order to accomplish that.

    For Jeter it might mean taking a bit less initially in order to show that he’s still got it, and for the Yankees it might mean showing a willingness to see that by including extra incentives and options.

    I think that is the way forward.

    And I think it should be done soon behind closed doors.

  120. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    “But let Jeter go, then miss the playoffs, and see what Yankees fans will think of H&H Steinbrenner.”

    If the Yankees don’t bolster the entire pitching staff, with or without Jeter, they could very well miss the playoffs.

    Cashman’s job is to field the best team within the budget the owners give him. If Jeter uses up most of the alloted monies, and the Yankees cannot fit all their needs within budget, then what will fans think of Jeter?

  121. Wave Your Hat November 28th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    The Yanks are treating Derek better than they treated Andy back in the winter of 2009. Very few were on here whining about the unfeeling Yanks back then. Andy was offered 1 year for $5.5M, Jeter is offered 3/$45M.

    Jeter is 8 times better than Andy? Jeter contributed 800% more to the Yanks?

    I don’t think so.

  122. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    I’m attaching an article that I posted yesterday for y’all to read and give some feedback, written by Gregg Doyle of CBSSportsline.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/s.....king-jeter

  123. DaSaint007 November 28th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Every team at some point tries to get rid of aging, underperforming superstars, or even when their value is at it’s peak. Boston is a prime example. Who here thinks they should be paying Varitek 15M/year just because he’s the captain? We’d all laugh at that.
    How about paying Ortiz 18M? Maybe pay Wakefield 12M just because of his longevity?

    I do believe Jeter is worth more to the Yankees in terms of brand awareness, as he’s the face of the team, and has been since his call up. But at some point, even that ends.

    When another team offers Jeter more than 15M a year, I’ll believe that he’s worth as much to someone else, as he is to us, as Yankee fans. That’s really the point. I believe that most teams – those with the financial ability anyway – would gladly pay him 10M a year for 3 years. But 15M or more? I just don’t see it.

    Since the beginning of this, I’ve stated 3 years/45M or 4/60M was fair, 4 years/72M would be generous, and 4 years/72M with a 5th year buyout for 8M would be a going over and beyond.

  124. MTU November 28th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Trader-

    You’re right in many respects.

    But Yankee revenues are not shrinking so why the “strict” adherence to a budget ?

    I don’t see the Yankees reducing the cost of tickets or concession items to go along with that. Do you ?

    WCYF made a point last night about how much wasted money the Yankees have spent on the likes of Igawa, Pavano, etc.

    But they are not willing to “overspend” a little on Jeter ?

    And they make him the “poster boy” for the new fiscal austerity ?

    You know what. That is baffling.

    And then this whole thing gets out into the press.

    And Hal is the one who starts it off by saying that things might get “messy”.

    Way to set the “tone” guy. Should have been, “No comment”.

  125. MTU November 28th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Saint-

    I don’t want ever want to see the Yankees resemble the Red Sox.

    If they do. I’m done as a fan. And many others will be too.

  126. randy l. November 28th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    “I don’t want ever want to see the Yankees resemble the Red Sox.

    If they do. I’m done as a fan. And many others will be too.”

    mtu-

    right now, yankee management is taking a page out of the the larry lucchino approach to dealing with players.

    the red sox don’t even let lucchino near any of their sensitive deals anymore.

    it takes a lot to snap the bond that ties a fan to a team, but it happens. i can remember following the ny football giants my whole life and then not. and i could care less what they do now. i don’t follow at all. same with the celtics. when bird, mc hale, and parish left and the weird ownership took over , i left and never came back.

    if yankee ownership/management chases jeter away, the yankees will lose some fans they will never get back. i’d come back, but i’d probably pull a yogi and make it conditional on a new management.

  127. Vineyard Yankee November 28th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Good Morning All:

    MTU November 28th, 2010 at 9:21 am
    Saint-

    I don’t want ever want to see the Yankees resemble the Red Sox.

    If they do. I’m done as a fan. And many others will be too
    =============
    I will be on that bus too.

  128. David in Cal November 28th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan — Maybe the Yanks do have too much money. But, it wouldn’t make me happy if they give more of it to Derek Jeter, who also has too much money. That money came from us fans. I’d rather see them give some of that extra money back to us fans — by reducing ticket prices or having fewer advertisements on their TV broadcasts.

  129. RabidYankee November 28th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Randy you are way off base.

    If it is so easy to win in the big market NYC then how come the Yankees have been so much more successful than the Mets? Also, look at all the other big market teams who always spend alot with little to show for it.

    The Yankees have combined their wealth with good decision making. Sure they’ve made some bad decisions and they’ve paid for them. That’s a major reason why they went 9 years without winning the WS. Cashman has done a good job of correcting those mistakes by not giving out big contracts to washed up free agents.

    They’ve also done a good job of developing the farm system.

    You make it sound like it’s as simple as having deep pockets when nothing could be further from the truth.

    Also, as a Yankee fan why would you want their revenue to be diluted? The Yankees give their fans all they could ask for by constantly putting money back into the team to try to give it the best chance to win. What more could you ask for as a fan?

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