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Two minor signings for Yankees

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ken Rosenthal has the news.

The Yankees have signed RHP Brian Anderson and LHP Andy Sisco to minor league deals with invitations to big league camp.

Anderson is a really interesting addition. You might remember him as a center field prospect with the White Sox about five years ago. He could play the field, but the bat never developed. He has 799 big league at-bats, with a .227 average to show for it. Last year, the Royals let Anderson move to the mound and the results were pretty encouraging for a guy who hadn’t pitched in nearly a decade: 17.1 IP, 10 H, 4 ER, 5 BB, 17 K.

Funny thing is, Anderson played high school baseball with Shelley Duncan. It was an insanely good team, and Shelley always told me that Anderson could really throw. He’s far from a sure thing but might be worth watching. An interesting story at the very least.

As for Sisco, he was a second-round draft pick in 2001 and twice ranked among Baseball America’s Top 100 prospects in all of baseball. He has some big league time, but last year was his first full season since 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, and Rosenthal says he’s been throwing 95 mph in winter ball.

These are not exactly prospects, but they’re the kind of guys who still have a best-case scenarios that could get them to New York.

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118 Responses to “Two minor signings for Yankees”

  1. Ruby Tuesday November 27th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Looks like great signings to me .

  2. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    A few “people” laughed about NY signing Sisco and Anderson, but, most likely never bothered to look at what Anderson accomplished in his first year of pitching. He’s the former White Sox outfielder. He’s always had a good arm. Sisco is left handed, a strikeout pitcher with control issues. Both are 28. They will likely not make $70,000 this year combined. Pretty cheap gambles, I’d say.

  3. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Chad, have you found anything on Anderson’s repertoire, speeds or things like that?

  4. Chad Jennings November 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    I just remember reading about him when he made the switch. I remember him as mid-90s fastball with a slider, but I could be wrong. That’s just what’s stuck in my head.

  5. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Will you and the boys be doing any live/phone interviews with some of the new or more interesting guys in the system…such as Anderson or maybe Mesa, Laird or even Betances or Phelps?

  6. MorningPerson November 27th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Good luck to both of them. Certainly sounds like they’re worth a shot, right?

    ***

    Someone explain to me a situation where if Jeter leaves the Yankees and signs a lesser contract he comes out looking good? How can he spin the Yankees being bad guys for not giving him what he asked for or close enough to what he asked for, when they did offer him more than anyone else (if that’s how this goes forward)? Seems to me the best he would be able to do is say that they reached an impasse and he felt it best going forward to part ways. Which goes pretty much against his entire narrative.

  7. clownthrowindown November 27th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    WCYF- have you even been paying attention? Man, you are really out there. Close said the Yankees compare him to Ruth. He certainly wasn’t talking about stats. Icon status is based on fans. Its all about fans and their money. Show me one single link that puts Jeter’s playing value anywhere near $15M/year. Are you seriously stating that a .270 hitter is worth more than that? Close doesn’t think so…hence the baffled statement. And Cashman doesn’t. You are beyond reasoning when it comes to Jeter. Take your shot, but I’m done responding to your nonsense. No one can take you seriously anymore.

  8. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Thanks for the info, Chad….pump the speed up higher and get the Yanks to try trading him for Lester or Josh Johnson.

  9. alainavarro November 27th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    en esta liga vean las Estadisticas de Sisco, Andrew con los Aguilas de Mexicali

    http://www.ligadelpacifico.com.....as/mxc.htm

  10. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Appreciate the link, Alain.

  11. alainavarro November 27th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Andrew Sisco has more chance to make it because of the yankees need for a lefty reliever

  12. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Anderson must have made the conversion easily to jump from Rookie League to AAA in the PCL in the same year.

  13. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Perhaps, Alain, except for his control. That’s always been his problem.

  14. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Haven’t read any scouting type reports on Laird’s outfield play other than it being acceptable or a little better, though 7 assists in 25 games is impressive.

  15. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    GB-

    Do you think Alain is really our Mexican scout in disguise ?

    The one who signed AA, Pena and Vasquez.

  16. Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Hey, GB, how you doing today?

    The mrs. had me jumping around this morning, checking out Christmas lights, putting up the tree, and such. She was so disappointed when she decided that the blinking raindeer, which I so carefully took down in the middle of January last year, thank you very much, had blinked their last and needed to be tossed. Never mind my sore back from all the hoisting and lifting. But, as a friend once told me, I volunteered for this assignment.

    I vaguely remember Anderson when he played the OF, didn’t know he decided to make it as a pitcher. I agree, if he was able to make the jump from rookie league to AAA in one season, he must have showed something, some knowledge of what it takes to be a pitcher. And a lefty? He might open some eyes. You never know.

  17. Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    My mistake, I thought Anderson was the lefty.

  18. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    .271 .305 .410 .715

    what should the yankees do with a middle infielder who has a year like the above?

    i would say 75% of this blog( and you know who you are ) wanted to dump this guy in the winter of 2008 .

    had the blog majority had their way cano would have been gone after his offensive year in 2008.

    being in the majority position isn’t necessarily a good thing.

  19. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    GB-

    Do you think Alain is really our Mexican scout in disguise ?

    The one who signed AA, Pena and Vasquez.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I believe he is. I thought it was pretty bold of him to raid a baby nursery to get Banuelos, though.

  20. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Joe-

    That’s Ok.

    Maybe he’s a switch-pitcher. :)

  21. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    GB-

    Forgot about the Great Escape.

    :)

  22. alainavarro November 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    no, no soy un scout . soy un fan de los New york Yankees, and live in Hermosillo Sonora Mexico.

  23. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    On a serious note.

    Look at how ManBan’s velocity has spiked upwards after a strong conditioning program.

    Think there might be a lesson in there for any of our other guys ? ;)

  24. alainavarro November 27th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    and no i dont take Karim Garcia to the yankee´s outfield. its no my fault.

  25. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Alain-

    Nice job on Banuelos Senor.

    Muy bueno. ;)

  26. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    It will be interesting to see what direction the Yankees go with the pen. After Mo, and he is getting older so who knows when his performance will drop precipitously, there are so many question marks. Big year for Roberston and Joba coming up. Who are they really? And Logan, was he an aberration? After that. Who knows.
    ____________________________________________________________
    Well, we can pull a 2009 and have some of the kids come out of the pen. Love that we have Brackman, Noesi, and even Betances perhaps for Sept. callup on the 40 man. It will be interesting to see who fills the other lefty role. I am thinking we will fill from outside. But could see ManBan after minor league season is ove

  27. alainavarro November 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    # GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    GB-

    Do you think Alain is really our Mexican scout in disguise ?

    The one who signed AA, Pena and Vasquez.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I believe he is. I thought it was pretty bold of him to raid a baby nursery to get Banuelos, though.
    —————————————————————————————————
    alainavarro November 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    no, no soy un scout . soy un fan de los New york Yankees, and live in Hermosillo Sonora Mexico. and no i dont take Karim Garcia to the yankee´s outfield. its no my fault.

  28. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    clownthrowindown November 27th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    WCYF- have you even been paying attention? Man, you are really out there. Close said the Yankees compare him to Ruth. He certainly wasn’t talking about stats. Icon status is based on fans. Its all about fans and their money. Show me one single link that puts Jeter’s playing value anywhere near $15M/year. Are you seriously stating that a .270 hitter is worth more than that? Close doesn’t think so…hence the baffled statement. And Cashman doesn’t. You are beyond reasoning when it comes to Jeter. Take your shot, but I’m done responding to your nonsense. No one can take you seriously anymore.
    ____________________________________________________________
    You are being awfully knee-jerk by referring to one year as the whole of what Jeter is. Of course icon status is based on what the player has done statistically as a Yankee as recently as the 2009 regular season, his number of hits, etc. and what he can still do. That iconic status includes a career .309/.377/.472/.850 playoff line among other things. How is Jeter’s career not based on stats? Although it is hard to take what you are saying seriously, so consider my question rhetorical.

  29. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    Hey, GB, how you doing today?

    The mrs. had me jumping around this morning, checking out Christmas lights, putting up the tree, and such. She was so disappointed when she decided that the blinking raindeer, which I so carefully took down in the middle of January last year, thank you very much, had blinked their last and needed to be tossed. Never mind my sore back from all the hoisting and lifting. But, as a friend once told me, I volunteered for this assignment.

    I vaguely remember Anderson when he played the OF, didn’t know he decided to make it as a pitcher. I agree, if he was able to make the jump from rookie league to AAA in one season, he must have showed something, some knowledge of what it takes to be a pitcher. And a lefty? He might open some eyes. You never know.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Afternoon, joe. Hope your stomach has recovered. I assume it has are since Mrs. Island has you slaving away digging out the Christmas stuff….either that or she’s The Wicked Witch Of The East. My favorite lights were the strings that if one bulb went out, they all went out.

    Another favorite was putting tinsel n the trees. The ex-Mrs. Beret would stand there firing instructions on the proper place and instructions for putting it on. Never understood why she got made when I threw some on the trees. Then she’d tell me that she’d do it herself. Never believed me when I explained that my arm was sore from the tinsel tossing. Maybe that’s why she became the ex-Mrs.

  30. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Yankeefem-

    We’ll just keep stealing from the white sox:

    Swisher

    Logan

    Cotts

    And now Anderson.

    ;)

  31. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
    On a serious note.

    Look at how ManBan’s velocity has spiked upwards after a strong conditioning program.

    Think there might be a lesson in there for any of our other guys ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, maybe the kid could show Hughes a few things to help Hughes make a decent starter out of himdelf.

  32. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    ***himself***

  33. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Gb-

    Or Joba ? ;)

  34. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Joe, in answer to the question of how I’m doing…pretty well. Thanks for the thoughts. With the situation with yje health of my best friend/ex-wife, I find this place somewhat therapeutic in that it takes my mind off of it right now.

  35. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Jeter’s jersey is the best selling Jersey in baseball. Sells more than Alex’s even after the World Series. He is the only one among the top five jerseys bought who defies the SLG trend. Jeter is his own brand.

    Little kids who never saw him in his prime wear his jersey. He is synonymous with Yankee history/fan consciousness. He also to this day gets the loudest cheers of any player even during meaningless AB’s at Yankee Stadium. I attend most games and it is always the case.

    As for people “laughing at him” in Boston. Yeah, uh, Boston fans are our rivals. Why wouldn’t they denigrate him? They denigrate Alex too, with too many epithets to mention on a “family” blog. What is your point?

    And Yankee apparel is the best selling apparel in baseball. So? Jeter is/was the most popular player on the most popular team in the world. I think he would have a high selling Jersey. That does not mean that the Baltimore Oriole #2 Jersey is going to sell like hot cakes. I reckon Jeter leaves this team, his yankee jersey would out sell his new teams jersey.

    And my point about the fans is that fans of opposing teams do not like Derek Jeter. They hate him. They are the first to point out how old and slow he is, and how the yankees are going to get sunk by his contract, cackling about how they want New York to dish out 25 mil a year on Jeter because of how bad that contract will be.

    Why the hell would they cheer if their team signed Jeter? Any team signing Jeter has to beat the 15 mil a year the Yankees are already putting up. Any team that does that will be signing a prohibitive contract.

    Do you think Red Sox fans want to cheer for Derek Jeter? Hell no.

  36. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
    Gb-

    Or Joba ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Oh, yeah. Well, one out of two wouldn’t be bad.

  37. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    GB-

    You mean you find hangin’ out with me therapeutic ?

    Whew ! You really need help.

  38. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    .271 .305 .410 .715

    what should the yankees do with a middle infielder who has a year like the above?

    i would say 75% of this blog( and you know who you are ) wanted to dump this guy in the winter of 2008

    Robinson Cano, the guy signed to an affordable contract that was the victim of an extremely luck driven bad year about to enter his prime? The smart fans saw that Cano’s situation was workable. Or at least wanted to trade him for premium talent.

    Derek Jeter is going to be 37. His issue was an inability to attack pitches he had previously crushed in his career, and a major increase in ground balls. Not the same at all.

  39. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    GB-

    You mean you find hangin’ out with me therapeutic ?

    Whew ! You really need help

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    Of couse. I now realize how much better I am than how your family has it.

  40. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    Yankeefem-

    We’ll just keep stealing from the white sox:

    Swisher

    Logan

    Cotts

    And now Anderson.
    _________________

    Fine, I will take Chris Sale, their lhp prospect, off their hands next.;)

  41. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    GB-

    My Parents are not responsible. I absolve them of all guilt.

    They are/were good people.

    I managed to get like this all on my own.

    Pretty cool.

    Raises the bar doesn’t it ?

  42. Tar November 27th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    “They are the first to point out how old and slow he is, and how the yankees are going to get sunk by his contract,”

    Wrong. the first to point that out are spoiled Yankee fans.

    “the victim of an extremely luck driven bad year ”

    Cano’s Babip in 2008 was the lowest of his career.

    Jeter’s 2010 Babip was the lowest of his career.

    Please explain how Cano’s bad year was bad luck again.

  43. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Yankeefem-

    Who do you think is a better candidate for entry into MENSA Ozzie or Williams ?

  44. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    GB-

    My Parents are not responsible. I absolve them of all guilt.

    They are/were good people.

    I managed to get like this all on my own.

    Pretty cool.

    Raises the bar doesn’t it ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    yeah, I’m really gonna have to go to reach your bar.

    I’d think that having to raise a kid like you must have been is why some animals eat their young.

    At least with me, all my parents would ever do is move without a forwarding address when I’d go to school.

  45. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    GB-

    It was so bad that my Mother slapped the Dr. when he presented me to her after birth.

    It was right then I knew things were going to be really bad.

  46. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Wrong. the first to point that out are spoiled Yankee fans.

    “the victim of an extremely luck driven bad year ”

    Cano’s Babip in 2008 was the lowest of his career.

    Jeter’s 2010 Babip was the lowest of his career.

    Please explain how Cano’s bad year was bad luck again.

    Not sure what fans you hang out with. The yankees are spoiled because of their payroll, not for having Derek Jeter. Thats what I hear all the time. And now they all can’t wait to see how much money the Yankees pay Jeter.

    As for Cano, let me lay it on you:

    LD% 2007 16.9%
    LD% 2008 19.4%
    LD% 2009 19.9%

    GB% 2007 52.2%
    GB% 2008 47.4%
    GB% 2009 46.6%

    BABIP 2007: .329
    BABIP 2008: .283
    BABIP 2009: .324

    HR/FB% 2007: 11.5%
    HR/FB% 2008: 7.9%
    HR/FB% 2009: 13.0%

    Jeter

    LD% 2008 17.9%
    LD% 2009 20.3%
    LD% 2010 16.1% <– OH NO

    GB% 2008 58.3%
    GB% 2009 57.0%
    GB% 2010 65.7% <– WOAH!

    BABIP 2008: .333
    BABIP 2009: .368
    BABIP 2010: .307

    HR/FB% 2008: 9%
    HR/FB% 2009: 14%
    HR/FB% 2010: 9%

    What looks like the outlier here?

  47. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    An interesting thought on George Sherrill. If he’s not offered arbitration, is he worth a minor league contract and only used against lefties?

    From MLB-Rumors-R-Us:

    Discussion: George Sherrill
    By Zach Links [November 27 at 2:18pm CST]
    Dodgers reliever George Sherrill, who earned $4.5MM in 2010, might not be offered arbitration this winter. In other news, I might not receive consideration for the 2011 Pulitzer Prize.

    With all due respect to Sherrill and his past accomplishments, which include a fantastic second half of 2009 in Los Angeles, his 2010 numbers indicate that he’s not worth another year at a similar rate. However, Steve Dilbeck of the Los Angeles Times offered up a defense of the left-hander earlier this week in which he pointed out that Joe Torre often used him in the wrong situations. Sherrill, who shines against lefties, faced 85 left-handed batters and 95 right-handed batters. His stat line for the year was a 6.69 ERA with 6.2 K/9 and 5.9 BB/9, though lefties batted just .192/.286/.288 against him.

    Sherrill won’t be offered arbitration but he could certainly be a solid value for the Dodgers or another club looking to take a small gamble on a strong left-handed specialist. Dilbeck predicts a “serious pay cut” and perhaps even a minor league deal in the 33-year-old’s near future. When utilized properly, however, one has to think that Sherrill can deliver results worthy of a guaranteed deal. The only question is, will the market force a team to offer one?

  48. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    And Yankee apparel is the best selling apparel in baseball. So? Jeter is/was the most popular player on the most popular team in the world. I think he would have a high selling Jersey. That does not mean that the Baltimore Oriole #2 Jersey is going to sell like hot cakes. I reckon Jeter leaves this team, his yankee jersey would out sell his new teams jersey.

    And my point about the fans is that fans of opposing teams do not like Derek Jeter. They hate him. They are the first to point out how old and slow he is, and how the yankees are going to get sunk by his contract, cackling about how they want New York to dish out 25 mil a year on Jeter because of how bad that contract will be.

    Why the hell would they cheer if their team signed Jeter? Any team signing Jeter has to beat the 15 mil a year the Yankees are already putting up. Any team that does that will be signing a prohibitive contract.

    Do you think Red Sox fans want to cheer for Derek Jeter? Hell no.
    _____________________________________________________
    Yes, it is understood and a given that the Yankee jersey sells well. The point was Jeter’s jersey outsells Alex’s even now. Further, it works both ways, Jeter has made his own brand and the Yankee brand synonymous. The point is not to argue that Jeter is bigger than the Yankees, but that he is an icon in his own right. Not the laughable figure you clearly associate him with.

    As for the rest of the league… *Who* is the rest of the league? Fans? GM’s? Players? Suddenly you are conflating the rest of the league with Red Sox fans “*laughing* at him.” Isn’t that a big leap?? Those on fangraphs? Baseball Prospectus? Who? You? Laughing, huh? Interesting choice of word. Laughable, really.

  49. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    In 2010, Jeter had negative run values against every pitch except the fastball, and his fastball run value was the lowest in his history as a player. The heat charts Replacement Level had showed that righties were beating him up and away on pitches he normally crushed, and killing him on sliders down and away. He basically lost the ability to hit righties, which you didn’t need stats to see he couldn’t catch up to them.

  50. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    the Dr. when he presented me to her ***after birth***

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    Even I’m going to pass on this one, MTU

  51. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    GB-

    You were a soldier all your life. I can’t tell you one thing about life and death that probably don’t already know.

    I will say this for it though, watching people you love drop like flies early does give one focus.

    It certainly did for me.

    Sounds weird, and probably is, but I call it making Death your ally.

    It set the tone for my life.

    Again, I am very sorry about your situation. Only the good ones go
    early.

    That’s probably why I’ll be around a long time. Lot’s of WORK to do.

  52. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Jerkface, so what, he had an off year at the plate. He also was second in the AL in runs scored with 2011 and the fewest errors of any shortstop.

    “Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated”. — Mark Twain

  53. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Thanks, MTU. Damned kind of you to say that.

    As far as me, I won’t die…I’ll just nasty away.

  54. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    My Uncle used to tell me that old soldiers don’t die they just fade away.

    Guess he was close to right. ;)

  55. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Jerkface, so what, he had an off year at the plate. He also was second in the AL in runs scored with 2011 and the fewest errors of any shortstop.

    Wow second in the AL in runs, and yet he led the league in plate appearances. You’d think being on the #1 offense he’d lead the league in runs by a good margin but he didn’t. Any player can have an ‘off year’, its when you have one at age 36 and demand to be paid 20 million dollars a year for 5 years that it becomes an issue. And the point was to show how dissimilar Cano and Jeter’s “off years” were.

    (plus I thought Jeter’s off year was 2008 or 2002 or 1997)

  56. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    GB-

    With the convo that is going on around us we must be in that tunnel between the two Universes, or maybe on the other side, eh ?

    :)

  57. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    What’s the most important thing for a lead off hitter to do? Get on base and score runs. He did so. There are plenty of legitimate observations about Jeter’s poor year at the plate – you don’t need to malign his legitimate accomplishments.

  58. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    GB-

    With the convo that is going on around us we must be in that tunnel between the two Universes, or maybe on the other side, eh

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    Or on the West Coast of Jerkland.

  59. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    In 2010, Jeter had negative run values against every pitch except the fastball, and his fastball run value was the lowest in his history as a player. The heat charts Replacement Level had showed that righties were beating him up and away on pitches he normally crushed, and killing him on sliders down and away. He basically lost the ability to hit righties, which you didn’t need stats to see he couldn’t catch up to them.
    ________________
    Why are you obsessing over the one year? It would be more understandable if 2009 had been a disaster, but his 2009 splits were solid both vs. righties and on the road.

  60. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    I guess I am in the baseball universe, I didn’t realize this was a military blog. Pardon the intrusion.

  61. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    GB-

    If we’re really there then maybe the whole Jeter contract thing is finally settled.

  62. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    And I can build a fire to keep us warm.

    :)

  63. MorningPerson November 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    One of the reasons people love Jeter is that he can always be counted on to be steady and consistent, to do “the right thing,” the “intangibles.”

    I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that if Jeter and the Yankees don’t reach an agreement, and if it is perceived the Jeter was the one who was unreasonable, his “brand” will definitely suffer in the short term.

    But I guess we’ll see.

  64. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Why are you obsessing over the one year? It would be more understandable if 2009 had been a disaster, but his 2009 splits were solid both vs. righties and on the road.

    Its the most recent year and he is now old. Why are you obsessing about the past when he was a younger, better player?

  65. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    MP-

    We are all only human no matter what we may project. ;)

  66. Yanks78 November 27th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Jeter should be hitting 9th. Gardner is better than he is.

  67. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    GB-

    If we’re really there then maybe the whole Jeter contract thing is finally settled.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Or maybe it’s “The Twilight Zone” and they are discussing the cookbook for humans and it’s in code.

  68. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    GB-

    Scary thought. I was just beginning to feel safe.

    Oh well. Back to the drawing board.

  69. LGY November 27th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    I was just at Toys R Us.

    All I know is there was a bunch of baseball action figures and not one was Derek Jeter.

    Most marketable player my butt.

  70. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    I guess I am in the baseball universe, I didn’t realize this was a military blog. Pardon the intrusion

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    No pardons for you. The miltary wasn’t being discussed. The only mention of it was in the way of a saying about passing on.

  71. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    LGY-

    You mean Mr. My Butt was the biggest seller ?

  72. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    What’s the most important thing for a lead off hitter to do? Get on base and score runs.

    Think of how many more runs would have been scored if he got on base more. Miguel Cabrera scored the same amount of runs as Derek Jeter and he came up to the plate 89 less times. Carl Crawford, 1 less run and 70 less plate appearances. Josh Hamilton, 200 less plate appearances, 16 less runs!

    If you gave me 10,000 plate appearances I might be able to hit 25 big league home runs, and I wouldn’t say I’m better than Derek Jeter at hitting HRs. Even though I’d hit 15 more HRs than he did in 2010!

  73. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    LGY November 27th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    I was just at Toys R Us.

    All I know is there was a bunch of baseball action figures and not one was Derek Jeter.

    Most marketable player my butt

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Or they sold out of another shipment.

  74. LGY November 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    The shelves were all stocked and labeled.

    CC was the big seller.
    Kids don’t want an “action” figure that they can only move two steps to the right.

  75. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    GB-

    Or maybe what they sell at Toys-R-Us doesn’t really freakin’ matter !

  76. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    An attempt to be clever, JerkLGY?

  77. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    LGY-

    Not that you give a damn.

    But I liked you better whne you were your other you. ;)

  78. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    edit: “when”.

  79. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    GB-

    Or maybe what they sell at Toys-R-Us doesn’t really freakin’ matter !

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Who knows? I see he has a new hero/idol that he’s copying is BS after.

  80. Betsy November 27th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    LGY, ouch,lol

  81. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Or maybe what they sell at Toys-R-Us doesn’t really freakin’ matter !

    Real Jeter fans buy a Ford Edge.

  82. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    MTU, I’m going to go eat. Maybe the BS will ooze out the back door of LoHud by the time I’m finished.

  83. MorningPerson November 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    I just finished watching the Yankees beat the Phillies 7-3 on November 4, 2009. Happy days. :?

  84. blake November 27th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    LGY has been re-recruited and is once again a sabermetrics prodigy. :(

  85. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    GB-

    Enjoy your meal. Catch you later.

    :)

  86. Tar November 27th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    “Most marketable player my butt.”

    You can now kiss mine.

    “Survey Says Yankees Captain Derek Jeter is Baseball’s Most Marketable Star”

    http://www.cardboardconnection.....ll-players

    If you don’t like that one, there is a plethora of other links.

  87. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    LGY has been re-recruited and is once again a sabermetrics prodigy.

    It means he is putting some effort into his baseball fandom, the other side of the coin is a lot easier to recruit for. “Just make up whatever you want and say you saw it with your own eyes”

  88. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Blake-

    I still have high hopes for LGY.

    After all he was the creator of “dejo”.

    Maybe he is just having a bad off season ?

    I think he’ll come around. I’m not trading him.

    I see the potential.

    :)

  89. blake November 27th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Actually I think its more work to you know watch baseball and form your own opinions than to read fangraphs and rob neyer and let them decide for you……but it was a joke for LGY.

  90. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    Why are you obsessing over the one year? It would be more understandable if 2009 had been a disaster, but his 2009 splits were solid both vs. righties and on the road.

    Its the most recent year and he is now old. Why are you obsessing about the past when he was a younger, better player?
    _________________________________
    You are the one making a huge leap from a down year to being over the hill w/o any possibility of rebounding. I am aware of the inevitable decline and what Jeter potentially brings over the next couple to three years. I don’t expect him not to decline by the 4th year; however, I also think he will improve on the 2010 numbers. So, does your buddy, Bill James.

    You are assuming the radical gap between 2009 and 2010 numbers is a result of a drastic one year decline. His LD% in 2009 was a respectable 19.4% vs. righties. There is no way the numbers decline so rapidly from 2009 to 2010 without injury. Jeter will be healthier in 2011 and his numbers will reflect that health.

  91. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Mine was also a joke??? Only a jokester would let it slide that you insinuate LGY doesn’t actually watch baseball games.

  92. blake November 27th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    MTU,

    I agree….I still think he has some projection ;) maybe he’s just stressed this time of year and needs an outlet.

  93. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Blake-

    No number on a page is ever gonna tell about what is inside the heart and mind of a Man.

    I’m gonna go eat too. Maybe GB has a good idea there.

    Catch you later.

    :)

  94. blake November 27th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Jerkface,

    I disagree with you often but your posts are on my “read” list and I do enjoy your take on things.

  95. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    You are the one making a huge leap from a down year to being over the hill w/o any possibility of rebounding. I am aware of the inevitable decline and what Jeter potentially brings over the next couple to three years. I don’t expect him not to decline by the 4th year; however, I also think he will improve on the 2010 numbers. So, does your buddy, Bill James.

    You are assuming the radical gap between 2009 and 2010 numbers is a result of a drastic one year decline. His LD% in 2009 was a respectable 19.4% vs. righties. There is no way the numbers decline so rapidly from 2009 to 2010 without injury. Jeter will be healthier in 2011 and his numbers will reflect that health.

    First of all, I do not care about Bill James. He is one fish in a very big pond of people trying to improve how we analyze baseball games. Second, his projections are incredibly optimistic. And if you add them up they don’t make sense. There is no way the hitters AND pitchers both put up the lines he suggests, because it means that the pitchers are getting mystery batters out while the batters are crushing pitchers who don’t exist to get their stats.

    I like the CAIRO projection system that SG at replacement level runs. And projections are mostly just to temper enthusiasm, and CAIRO’s/Pecota/whatever comes with a range of possible outcomes based on likelihood of occurence.

    I assume that Jeter will put up a season between 2010 and 2008. 2 out of the last 3 years he has had an OPS under .800, and if you want to blame it on injuries well then he was injured 2 out of the last 3 years and older players don’t get healthier. Either way it means he needs more rest and will get less playing time and should be prepared for a lesser role. And you don’t rest a guy on a 5 year deal, thats admitting the deal is stupid. Its why I want Jeter for 2 years, but will accept 3.

    Considering how many more PA’s Jeter gets vs Righties than Lefties, it is very serious consideration the yankees have to make about how he will handle righties in the future. He only hit 16% LD vs them in 08. 09 might be his last hurah. If it wasn’t, then GREAT, that means the Yankees will be a great team. But the signs are pointing down.

  96. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Blake-

    What about me ? Am I on your read list, or do you just look away in
    disgust ?

    Now I’ll go eat.

  97. blake November 27th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    MTU,

    You’re at the top of a list…..I wont share which one ;) have a nice dinner.

  98. Tar November 27th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Blake

    you watching the game?

  99. David in Cal November 27th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    WCYF — Jeter was fairly good at runs per plate appearance,. However, he lagged Teix and Gardner, and he barely beat out ARod. Swisher and Granderson weren’t that far behind Jeter, given that he had the best hitters on the team batting behind him all season long. Jeter’s OBP of .340 was not particularly good for a leadoff man on the world champions.

    These two stats show that Gardner (OBP = .383) would have been a substantially better leadoff batter.

    Runs scored per plate appearance
    0.150   D Jeter
    0.148   R Cano
    0.159   M Teixeira
    0.143   N Swisher
    0.124   A Rodriguez
    0.170   B Gardner
    0.144   C Granderson
    0.119   A Kearns
    0.109   J Posada

  100. blake November 27th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Tar,
    Listenening on the radio.

  101. EA November 27th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Does any player ever have bad numbers in James’ projections?

    CAIRO is much more realistic

  102. Tar November 27th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Blake
    It’s on ESPNU here. I was lucky and went to all the home games. This team as is could very easily be 9-3. They have overcome a lot of adversity this year. I have yet to watch a BB game yet.

  103. blake November 27th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Tar,

    Im not home or id be.watching. They have had a pretty good year but as you say it could have been much better. I’ve watched every basketball game. Barnes is very good but they may struggle inside…..they are so young its tough to tell how far they will develop this year.

  104. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    jerkface -

    what did CAIRO predict for jeter in 2010?

  105. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    .290 .359 .407 baseline for Jeter next season.

    http://www.rlyw.net/index.php/.....ers_career

  106. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    http://www.rlyw.net/index.php/.....unez_again

    This projects Eduordo Nunez and Jeter based on them hitting their best projections and worst projections the next 5 years.

  107. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    jerface-

    no, i want to know what CAIRO predicted for jeter in 2010?

    did it predict the bad year that he had?

    if it didn’t what good is it?

  108. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    ________________First of all, I do not care about Bill James. He is one fish in a very big pond of people trying to improve how we analyze baseball games. Second, his projections are incredibly optimistic. And if you add them up they don’t make sense. There is no way the hitters AND pitchers both put up the lines he suggests, because it means that the pitchers are getting mystery batters out while the batters are crushing pitchers who don’t exist to get their stats.

    I like the CAIRO projection system that SG at replacement level runs. And projections are mostly just to temper enthusiasm, and CAIRO’s/Pecota/whatever comes with a range of possible outcomes based on likelihood of occurence.

    I assume that Jeter will put up a season between 2010 and 2008. 2 out of the last 3 years he has had an OPS under .800, and if you want to blame it on injuries well then he was injured 2 out of the last 3 years and older players don’t get healthier. Either way it means he needs more rest and will get less playing time and should be prepared for a lesser role. And you don’t rest a guy on a 5 year deal, thats admitting the deal is stupid. Its why I want Jeter for 2 years, but will accept 3.

    Considering how many more PA’s Jeter gets vs Righties than Lefties, it is very serious consideration the yankees have to make about how he will handle righties in the future. He only hit 16% LD vs them in 08. 09 might be his last hurah. If it wasn’t, then GREAT, that means the Yankees will be a great team. But the signs are pointing down.
    ___
    The Bill James reference was kind of a joke, and I know James’ projections tend to be “optimistic.” However, the CAIRO numbers on Jeter certainly are positive next year and over the next three certainly aren’t the gloom and doom you are projecting. And those projected numbers are highly superior to what Nunez or another replacement might produce.

    You refer to 2008: Jeter had a 143 OPS+ in the last month of 2008, and if you recall, a much stronger second than first half in that year. Second half of ’08: .324/.388/.426. Those numbers to me don’t show a wearing down as the season progresses, but rather an injury that at some point hampered Jeter. Is an older player more prone to injuries, sure. But I still think the ending well in ’08 is an important distinction, as well as the strong 2009 numbers. Again, I expect Jeter to have a strong ’11 season based on all the above variables. As for hitting righties, the sample size is far too small for me to be concerned. If he shows in 2011 that he can’t hit righties, I will then become concerned.

    Ideally, I would like to see a 3 year deal, but would accept some kind of incentive-based 4th year option. I don’t think Jeter will receive 5 nor would anyone expect that. As for this year, Girardi should have rested Jeter more. Next year, Girardi should make resting Jeter a priority.

  109. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    did it predict the bad year that he had?

    if it didn’t what good is it?

    Did you predict Jeters bad year? If not, what good are you? I seem to be the only one who predicted Jeters bad year. Looks like I’m the best.

    CAIRO’s 35% percentile projection for Jeter was .285 .336 .372 , which was close to his season line. Missing on one player is not a big deal though, CAIRO was one of the best prognosticating systems at getting things near right. They’re not meant to be taken as gospel, just to get an idea of what the coming season might offer. And to temper the optimism that fans might produce for their own team.

    http://www.rlyw.net/index.php/.....erek_jeter

  110. JoeyA November 27th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Is the general consensus that Eduardo Nunez will replace Jeter in (hopefully) 4 years?

    I’m not keen to his projection/hype.

  111. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    If Eduordo Nunez is at his best that he showed in AAA, he should be able to replicate Jeter’s 2010 season. I don’t think the next Yankee Shortstop is even in the Yankee’s system.

  112. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    ” As for this year, Girardi should have rested Jeter more. Next year, Girardi should make resting Jeter a priority.”

    this is really a no brainer.

    even being a young guy, because he plays a tough position does joe mauer hit at the rates he hits if he had 700 + plate appearances? i doubt it because he would be banged up all the time.

    i think jeter would be a better player and would have higher rates if he played between 135 -145 games

    in 2011,i would expect him to have an .850OPS if he was rested weekly .

    if he plays every day again next year, i expect he’ll have a similar bad year like he had this year.

    for his age and his position, he’s playing too much. it’s really that simple.

    sometimes less is more.

  113. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    If Eduordo Nunez is at his best that he showed in AAA, he should be able to replicate Jeter’s 2010 season. I don’t think the next Yankee Shortstop is even in the Yankee’s system.
    _____________
    Cito or Christopher Tamarez

  114. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    ” As for this year, Girardi should have rested Jeter more. Next year, Girardi should make resting Jeter a priority.”

    this is really a no brainer.

    even being a young guy, because he plays a tough position does joe mauer hit at the rates he hits if he had 700 + plate appearances? i doubt it because he would be banged up all the time.

    i think jeter would be a better player and would have higher rates if he played between 135 -145 games

    in 2011,i would expect him to have an .850OPS if he was rested weekly .

    if he plays every day again next year, i expect he’ll have a similar bad year like he had this year.

    for his age and his position, he’s playing too much. it’s really that simple.

    sometimes less is more.
    _____________________
    Yep, a no brainer that somehow ignored by Girardi. Resting Jeter would have a huge effect on his numbers and durability.

  115. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Did you really want to see Pena playing an extra 30 games at shortstop in 2010? Next year is a different story. They will have a fairly good hitting shortstop.

  116. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    yankeefeminista-

    jeter himself wants to play all the time. this is normally a good trait in a player, but in jeter’s case he needs to have someone monitor his playing time and sit him pretty much once a week with the idea of having him peak in september and october.

    games count as much in the spring , but it’s better not to have older players playing a lot at that time. ease them into the season, rest them throughout the summer and then play them almost all the time in crunch time.

  117. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    jerkface-

    thanks for the CAIRO link and all the other projections, but not a single one was even close to what jeter actually did.

    i really don’t see the value in them.

    how’d they do in predicting hughes’ season?

    i’ll bet not even close.

    what about swisher?

    probably not close again.

    i just don’t see the value in them.

  118. Bret The Hitman November 27th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Keep fighting the good fight Randy.

    Don’t let the idiot savants overrun the board.

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