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Yankees memorabilia for a great cause

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This one’s worth checking out, both for the cause and for the memorabilia.

Trenton’s clubhouse and equipment manager Tom Kackley is running his annual auction to support the domestic violence shelter in his home town of Canton, Ohio. It’s a cause that means a lot to Tom, and he’s put some considerable effort into playing his part to make a difference.

The auction is run through ebay, with 100 percent of the proceeds going to the Domestic Violence Project, Inc. in Canton.

The auction itself has signed items from current Yankees, Hall of Famers and elite prospects. There are plenty of big names both in and out of the Yankees organization, with items ranging from signed baseballs and pictures to game-used equipment.

Check out the auction right here. Good stuff and a great cause.

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121 Responses to “Yankees memorabilia for a great cause”

  1. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Another chance for Erin to get that signed Cano ball she was aced out of ?

    :)

  2. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Cito or Christopher Tamarez

    Too far away. I liked Cito’s debut but lets see him make it to AA. A lot of promising players have been drafted at short and not made it.

    And if they have to commit to playing Jeter 120-130 games a season, he cannot get a 5 year deal or 20 million.

  3. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    And Tamarez is like 12 years old right now, maybe he should actually play state side before we declare him the new short stop.

    I’d bet that Tulo or Hanley play a game at SS for the Yankees before Tamarez

  4. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
    And Tamarez is like 12 years old right now, maybe he should actually play state side before we declare him the new short stop.

    I’d bet that Tulo or Hanley play a game at SS for the Yankees before Tamarez
    ____________________________
    He’s 16.

  5. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Erin has a tough decision to make if her choice was a Cano signed baseball or a kiss by Bert and Ernie.

  6. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    He’s 16.

    No way, really?

  7. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    GB-

    That’s a lot of pressure for sure. ;)

  8. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Ramirez will be about the size of Matt Kemp. He’s quickly eating his way into the outfield.

  9. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Chad, great cause. I bid for the autographed Hughes baseball cap and Montero rookie card last year. Happy to contribute to the Domestic Violence Project. Bless you, Tom Kackley!

  10. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Did you really want to see Pena playing an extra 30 games at shortstop in 2010? Next year is a different story. They will have a fairly good hitting shortstop.

  11. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    He’s 16.

    No way, really?
    _____________
    Or was when he was drafted. He actually turned 17 in late August.

  12. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    GB-

    That’s a lot of pressure for sure.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I can’t imagine having a fuzzy fur ball kissing/licking my face. Lint everywhere.

    ooops. Sorry, MTU….forgot about your pet snake food.

  13. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    Cito or Christopher Tamarez

    Too far away. I liked Cito’s debut but lets see him make it to AA. A lot of promising players have been drafted at short and not made it.

    And if they have to commit to playing Jeter 120-130 games a season, he cannot get a 5 year deal or 20 million.
    _________________________
    Tommy Slater raved about Cito’s defensive ability and great instincts in GCL. Maybe he moves fast. He and Gary Sanchez can come up together in 4 years. :)

  14. Vineyard Yankee November 27th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Chad:

    For a great cause, posting the auction info. Should be interesting to see what I can donate and win. Thanks for that.

  15. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Well I sure can because that exactly what happened about 5 minutes ago.

    You’re a damn mindreader too.

    :)

  16. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    GB-

    Too bad I don’t have your e-mail. My buddy from Georgia just sent me a joke I think you’d appreciate.

    Can’t post it here. It being PG and all.

  17. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    Well I sure can because that exactly what happened about 5 minutes ago.

    You’re a damn mindreader too.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    And a genius, too. I should have gone to OCS. A regular Forrest Gump.

  18. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    let me try to pass the email through Chad, MTU.

  19. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    GB-

    I did not know you were wounded in your Buttocks.

    :)

  20. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    “And if they have to commit to playing Jeter 120-130 games a season, he cannot get a 5 year deal or 20 million.”

    mauer averages about 135 games a year and gets 23 million a year.

    what’s up with that?

  21. yankeefeminista November 27th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    not *drafted* meant *signed*

  22. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Gb-

    give it a try. It’s bound to make you laugh.

    Or cry.

    I don’t know exactly which in your case.

  23. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    mauer averages about 135 games a year and gets 23 million a year.

    what’s up with that?

    Probably not a very smart contract for the Twins.

  24. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    MTU, it’s sent. You shoud get it by 22 December, 2012

  25. Wave Your Hat November 27th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    “mauer averages about 135 games a year and gets 23 million a year.

    what’s up with that?”

    You’d really rather have Derek Jeter than Joe Mauer?

  26. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    GB-

    Great. That’s just in the nick of time, so to speak.

  27. Bret The Hitman November 27th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Keep fighting the good fight Randy.

    Don’t let the idiot savants overrun the board with spin.

  28. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    ***should***

  29. Bret The Hitman November 27th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    I think when Derek Jeter won the gold glove, somebody’s feelings here really got hurt.

  30. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Bret-

    If you met Randy in person one thing you would immediately notice are his teeth, and the strength of his Jaw.

    :)

  31. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    MTU, If you don’t get the email by 0001 hours on 22 December, 2012, you won’t be around anyway…according to the Mayans.

  32. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
    Bret-

    If you met Randy in person one thing you would immediately notice are his teeth, and the strength of his Jaw.

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    “TOOTH”. singular

  33. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    GB-

    There is no need to remind me. I am well aware of the Mayan Doomsday prophecies.

    It’s not a problem though as it will arrive in time. ;)

  34. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Watching and listening to some great folk music on ETV…John Sebastian…Kingsyon Trio and more

  35. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    GB-

    Alright so Randy is a one tooth bulldog.

    Must be one hell of a tooth.

    He gets the job done pretty well considering.

  36. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Gb-

    Weren’t they around when the Flintstones were still playin’ together ?

    thanks for making me feel old. :(

  37. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    “You’d really rather have Derek Jeter than Joe Mauer?”

    how’d you come up with that?

    i was responding to jerkface saying if jeter plays less he needs to be paid less.

    mauer obviously isn’t paid less even though he never has played 150 games in a season.

  38. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    i was responding to jerkface saying if jeter plays less he needs to be paid less.

    mauer obviously isn’t paid less even though he never has played 150 games in a season.

    Mauer plays catcher and has premium offense and defense at that position. Additionally, if everyone is jumping off a bridge I take it you line up right behind them?

  39. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    MTU November 27th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
    Gb-

    Weren’t they around when the Flintstones were still playin’ together ?

    thanks for making me feel old.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It’s on the Georgia PBS channel. Highwaymen, Seekers, Peter, Paul and Mary, Chad Mitchell Trio, Barry McGuire, New Christy Minstrels, Donavon. This is some great stuff.

    Makes me feel younger, not older

  40. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    GB-

    I thought you were gonna go to Harry Belafonte next.

    I definitely like some of the ones you listed above.

    Enjoy.

    :)

  41. YsGuy November 27th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    jeter’s legacy will never be the same.

  42. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    HB is on there. Rod McKuen, Trini Lopez, Serendipity Singers, Burl Ives….all are on. Great stuff.

  43. MDD2 November 27th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    ^ Jeter’s legacy will be the same to me…it’s the Yankees as an organization that I will never forgive.

  44. Crawdaddy November 27th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Please, Jeter and the Yankee organization’s legacy will be just fine.

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    MDD2 is correct. Yankees management has handled this about as poorly as one could imagine.

  46. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    In opposite world maybe. The Captaincy of the Yankees is being tarnished by Jeter’s selfishness and money over winning attitude.

  47. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Yankees management is all about winning and money. They could care less about people and how they are treated. Bernie, Torre, Jeter, it doesn’t matter who you are.

  48. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Oh, please. Neither The Yankees nor Team Jeter appears to be Snow White if these reports are correct.

  49. Crawdaddy November 27th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Actually, I think Yankee management has handled things wrong except for Hank’s dumb comments.

  50. Crawdaddy November 27th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Just joking!

  51. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    I don’t see anything wrong with Jeter’s position or conduct. Yankee management made this public and Close’s “baffled” comment was about as benign as a comment could be.

    If I am Jeter I am baffled. Baffled as to why for years the Yankees have thrown money at everyone under the sun, and now they are suddenly seeing the light? With Derek Jeter? Please.

  52. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    I don’t care about the money. Let ‘em keep the negotiations behind the door and stop the public sniping in the papers.

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Could not agree more GB. It may be a little late for that though. Hal, Cashman, Levine and Hank have all taken their shots. I’m sure what they said does not sit well with Derek Jeter.

  54. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Baffled as to why for years the Yankees have thrown money at everyone under the sun

    Name all the 37 year old FA’s the yankees have given 20+ mil a year and 4+ years.

  55. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    It sucks when we find out that even our heroes are human and have their flaws.

    Maybe it’s just that hero worship which is flawed.

  56. Crawdaddy November 27th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    I’m too old to have any baseball player as a hero.

  57. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Craw-

    I think you got my point though.

  58. Crawdaddy November 27th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Actually, I don’t get your point because I always thought that of other people no matter their celebrity status.

  59. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Baffled as to why for years the Yankees have thrown money at everyone under the sun

    Name all the 37 year old FA’s the yankees have given 20+ mil a year and 4+ years.

    **********

    He is not a 37 year old FA. He is Derek Jeter.

  60. Crawdaddy November 27th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Furthermore, I don’t believe in heroes. I just think some people are placed in certain situations in which they do something extraordinary.

  61. MDD2 November 27th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    The negotiations were supposed to be behind closed doors. What they have done is unforgivable. How many players have accepted the first offer? Why is it a crime to negotiate? Why would people expect Jeter to say, ‘Hey, thanks for the salary cut. Let’s shake on it.’

    Pride has been misconstrued for ego and greed and it’s so upsetting to see your favorite player ripped to shreds. I expected harsh comments from Jerkface and a few others because they have been consistently critical of Derek Jeter for years… but the mean-spiritedness from some of the regulars is what I find baffling.

    I hope you caught Harvey Araton’s article in today’s Times.

  62. Crawdaddy November 27th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    “He is not a 37 year old FA. He is Derek Jeter.”

    So? He’s just a baseball player and a businessman trying to negotiate a contract with the New York Yankees to play baseball for them at the highest rate of salary he can get from the Yankees.

  63. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Well said MDD2

  64. MTU November 27th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Craw-

    Well then you got my point and we’re on the same page.

    Not everyone realizes what I was trying to say.

    You’re apparently old enough and wise enough to know better.

  65. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    “Half-Dozen Teams In The Mix” For Cliff Lee
    By Mark Polishuk
    [November 27 at 6:40pm CST]

    Cliff Lee has already generated a lot of buzz this winter, but according to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the market for the star left-hander will “heat up” over the next week and Lee could be signed during the winter meetings. Darek Braunecker, Lee’s agent, tells Olney that he and Lee are scheduled to meet with as many as three teams over the next week.

    “We’ve got a fair number of teams trying to work through the process,” Braunecker said. “It’s probably fair to say we’ve got a half-dozen teams in the mix.”

    The Rangers and Yankees have already met with Lee, which is no surprise since they’re the two biggest suitors for the free agent starter. The Nationals are also known to be interested, and other teams like the Angels, Astros, Cubs, Dodgers, Phillies and Red Sox have also at least checked in on Lee. Washington could make things interesting with a big offer, but it’s a pretty safe bet that Lee will pitch in either New York or Texas next season. Though the Rangers have some extra revenue to work with, Olney points out that Lee alone could take up 20-30% of the Texas payroll next season. That’s a major commitment for a team that isn’t quite a big-market player and might also have to fit in a Josh Hamilton extension.

    – MLBTR

  66. Crawdaddy November 27th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    It sounds like some of you are taking this more personally than Jeter himself.

  67. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    He is not a 37 year old FA. He is Derek Jeter.

    Derek Jeter is a 37 year old Free Agent, sorry to break this to you.

  68. Mell November 27th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    “He is not a 37 year old FA. He is Derek Jeter”

    He’s both, which is why we’re where we are right now.

  69. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Jerkface you have laid out the problem. The Yankees are looking at Jeter as if he were another 37 year old FA. He’s not.

  70. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Re-Post:

    There is a reason that the Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretskys and Michael Jordans of the world were/are paid hundreds of millions of dollars by corporations for being the face of their brand. They don’t do any work for the company in the traditional sense. Yet their value is almost incalculable. Customers buy the companies products and the brand increases in value substantially because of their association with it.

    For fifteen years, Derek Jeter has been the face of the Yankees brand. Not Posada, not Tino, not Torre, not Mo, not Mussina, not O’Neill. During that time the value of the Yankees brand increased from the hundreds of millions of dollars to almost $1.6 billion dollars. Is that all attributable to Jeter. No. Is a part of it? I say yes.

    I think one can make the case that he should be compensated for that. Some may say he already has been compensated. I disagree. That was for his on-the-field performance. Some may say those icons that I mentioned above, Woods, Jordan and Gretsky, were paid by corporations for their endorsements, not their teams. True. And the value of their teams did not increase by a billion dollars during their tenure either.

    Derek Jeter is unique and it is hard to monetize his value to the Yankee brand. In the sports world of today, how do you value an athlete and team captain who not only contributed to winning five world championships and numerous post-season appearances, but carries himself with a professionalism, and practices a work ethic, that is admired by almost everyone in the sports world and out. Who never gets in trouble or does anything that would reflect negatively on his team. Who called his manger sir. No one respects the game and the fans more than Derek Jeter. And how many young kids in those fifteen years became lifelong Yankee fans, future ticket holders, because of Derek Jeter. What parent wouldn’t want their child idolizing Derek Jeter.

    If one wants to make the case that Derek Jeter should be paid let’s say $12 million a year for three years based on his on-the-field comparative skills at this point in time, ok. But, I say it is more than fair to give him a small percentage on top of that for all of the above reasons. Namely his role in helping to increase the Yankees valuation a billion dollars.

    Is this a typical way to compensate an athlete on his last contract? No. But Derek Jeter is no typical athlete and just because something has not been done before does not mean new ground can’t be broken. An aside, it is no wonder that Randy Levine insists on looking on Jeter’s deal as a ‘baseball only’ arrangement.

    Give Jeter a 3% premium on that billion, surely 3% is a very conservative estimate of what his contribution was. Give him that gold watch of $30 million dollars. Give him $66 million for three years, shake hands and move on.

    He deserves it.

  71. Crawdaddy November 27th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    “The Yankees are looking at Jeter as if he were another 37 year old FA. He’s not.”

    Yeah, that’s why they offer him a 3/45M deal after the worst season of his career. You need to get real.

  72. Crawdaddy November 27th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    WCYF and MDD2 act more like Jeter fans than Yankee fans.

  73. Betsy November 27th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    You’ll never forgive an organization that offered 3/45 to Derek Jeter, a 37 year old coming off of a bad year? That’s pretty funny.

  74. MDD2 November 27th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    ^That’s possible, Crawdaddy. But they’re messing with the one escape that I allow myself. I don’t knit, I don’t bowl, I don’t fish…my hobby is Yankee baseball. I watched Jeter grow up and I root just a little bit harder for him than I do everyone else. It’s sad watching 16 years mean nothing to a team.

  75. Mell November 27th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    “Jerkface you have laid out the problem. The Yankees are looking at Jeter as if he were another 37 year old FA. He’s not”

    They’re really not. In offering 3/$45M, they are rather clearly allowing for the “Derek Jeter” factor in their offer.

  76. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Wayne Gretsky and Michael Jordan were never paid like Jeter is asking to be paid. Or were paid in their careers.

  77. Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    I’m sorry guys, for me, hero worship went out the door a long time ago. This is a business negotiation, and nothing more. That’s exactly how both sides look at it. I wouldn’t fool myself into thinking it’s anything more. The very last thing either Jeter/Close, or the Yankees’ management is doing is thinking about fans, or Jeter’s legacy, or anything at all sentimental.

    And don’t think that Cash says anything that isn’t in line with what the Steinbrenners think, or are approving his saying. He didn’t get to where he is in the food chain by shooting his mouth off, or without knowing the political landscape.

    At the level these guys operate, it’s just business. Nothing personal, just business.

  78. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    You guys are trolling right???

  79. MDD2 November 27th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Betsy, it’s not the amount of money. That is a hell of a lot of money and if you think Jeter doesn’t know that, then you’re buying into the team’s PR campaign. It’s the way the team went about it — publicly embarrassing him at every point and turning a fan base against him. He’s not Igawa. He’s not Burnett. He’s not Pavano. He’s Derek Jeter and he deserves better.

  80. Mell November 27th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    WCYF:

    As much of a Jeter fan as I am, he simply does not meet the Gretzky, Woods, Jordan level of professional athlete/brand. Frankly, he’s nowhere close. No use comparing apples and oranges.

  81. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Re-read what I wrote Jerkface. They never helped their clubs valuation go from the hundreds of millions to $1.6 billion.

  82. MDD2 November 27th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Uh uh, Crawdaddy – I’m a Yankee fan. But I’m a fan who roots for the players. It’s like a year-long soap opera that I soak up. No need to question my fandom, I’m one of the good ones. I’m just disgusted but what I’m reading and I’m not ready to say goodbye to Jeter — I shouldn’t have to.

  83. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Mell November 27th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    WCYF: As much of a Jeter fan as I am, he simply does not meet the Gretzky, Woods, Jordan level of professional athlete/brand. Frankly, he’s nowhere close. No use comparing apples and oranges.

    ****

    That’s your opinion not mine.

  84. Mell November 27th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    “Re-read what I wrote Jerkface. They never helped their clubs valuation go from the hundreds of millions to $1.6 billion”

    He was paid $200M for his “trouble”

  85. Mell November 27th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    “That’s your opinion not mine”

    Sure, but I happen to sit among the distinct majority in this case, and in the cases of Woods and Jordan the facts are on my side.

  86. clownthrowindown November 27th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Jeter IS being offered, so to speak, a percentage of the billion. 1.5 % which is half of what WCYF thinks Jeter deserves for his welfare fund.

    10m/yr for his .270 bat and 5M (1.5% of a billion) for his profit sharing cut.

    And I assume then that its only fair for Jeter to pay the Yankees a premium on all his marketing deals since the Yankees most certainly contributed to his value. Fair is fair, eh?

  87. MDD2 November 27th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    So a player has to be the best in all facets of the game to achieve iconic stature?

  88. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    “As much of a Jeter fan as I am, he simply does not meet the Gretzky, Woods, Jordan level of professional athlete/brand. Frankly, he’s nowhere close. No use comparing apples and oranges.”

    you’re missing the fact that jeter did it clean in a time when almost every other superstar baseball player haven’t been during his fifteen years.

    how good has arod been while being clean. i don’t see the numbers he used to have.i don’t know with him how much was him and how much was peds.

    jeter was and is a great baseball players and he did it the right way at a time most others didn’t.

  89. Mell November 27th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    “So a player has to be the best in all facets of the game to achieve iconic stature?”

    Jeter is living proof this is not the case.

  90. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    you’re missing the fact that jeter did it clean in a time when almost every other superstar baseball player haven’t been during his fifteen years.

    how good has arod been while being clean. i don’t see the numbers he used to have.i don’t know with him how much was him and how much was peds.

    You don’t know this. And A-rod was a pretty good Yankee, which are his ‘clean years’.

  91. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Mell November 27th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    “Re-read what I wrote Jerkface. They never helped their clubs valuation go from the hundreds of millions to $1.6 billion”

    He was paid $200M for his “trouble”

    *********

    No, he was paid $189 million over ten years for his performance on the field.

  92. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    jerkface-

    cut the crap. who thinks arod was a clean player?

  93. ac1 November 27th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    a-rod had 54 hr and 156 rbi in 2007, well after his ‘dirty’ years.

  94. David in Cal November 27th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan — After years in business, the words “should” and “deserves” no longer seem to have much meaning. Does Cliff Lee “deserve” be paid $20 million per year, when Warren Spahn topped out at 1/200 of that amount? “Should” any athelete be paid more than Norman Borlaug, who developed new strains of wheat that saved billions of people from starvation? I don’t think so. Nevertheless, some team is going to pay Lee around $20 million. What he “deserves” is irrelevant. To sign him, the Yanks will have to meet the competition.

    Same thing with Jeter. Maybe he deserves $50 million a year as the face of baseball; maybe he deserves $20,000 a year, as someone playing a kid’s game for 6 months a year. Those are subjective figures. As a business, the Yanks will pay what it takes to sign him. By that standard, their 3/45 offer is generous.

  95. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    cut the crap. who thinks arod was a clean player?

    I think A-rod was a clean yankee as he joined the team after testing was implemented and has not failed since.

  96. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    “a-rod had 54 hr and 156 rbi in 2007, well after his ‘dirty’ years.”

    and how do you know that was a clean year?

  97. Mell November 27th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    “No, he was paid $189 million over ten years for his performance on the field.”

    No, he was paid over $205 million. His performance is all there is. That helped the team win, and thus the valuation increase. He’s been more than fairly compensated.

  98. Betsy November 27th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    MMDD, publicly embarrassing him? Turning the fan base against him? He’s doing that on his own…….

  99. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    and how do you know that was a clean year?

    How do you know any of Jeters years were clean years?

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    David in Cal November 27th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan — After years in business, the words “should” and “deserves” no longer seem to have much meaning. Does Cliff Lee “deserve” be paid $20 million per year, when Warren Spahn topped out at 1/200 of that amount? “Should” any athelete be paid more than Norman Borlaug, who developed new strains of wheat that saved billions of people from starvation? I don’t think so. Nevertheless, some team is going to pay Lee around $20 million. What he “deserves” is irrelevant. To sign him, the Yanks will have to meet the competition.

    Same thing with Jeter. Maybe he deserves $50 million a year as the face of baseball; maybe he deserves $20,000 a year, as someone playing a kid’s game for 6 months a year. Those are subjective figures. As a business, the Yanks will pay what it takes to sign him. By that standard, their 3/45 offer is generous.

    ************

    I liked what you had to say about Borlaug, your point is well taken. The realities of baseball
    though stipulate that the dollars are what they are. And in that context, I think Jeter can make a good case that his value is far greater than 3 years and $45 million. The biggest problem is that the Yankees have always overpaid and thrown money around, to the good, the bad and the ugly. It’s the paradigm shift in that behavior all of a sudden that’s disturbing I think to Jeter. If you want to change course and set a new standard for spending – don’t do it with arguably one of the greatest Yankees of all time.

  101. Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    I’ve been away for a while, but how exactly have the Yankees’ organization acted to turn the fan base away from Derek Jeter? Because the Steinbrenner brothers pointed out a fact, that he has been paid an awful lot of money by the Yankees, who have made him insanely rich? Because Cashman went on record and pointed out another fact, that Jeter is a free agent, and is 100% free to go to other teams, and see exactly what the rest of baseball thinks he is worth.

    And don’t think the Yankees do not know the answer to that question. There are professional consultants whose job it is to analyze and quantify how much is player is worth, in terms of wins, and what those wins amount to in terms of playoff dollars. The book, the Business of Baseball, explores this. Teams that are interested in analyzing and controlling as much as possible use this data to calculate and understand as much as possible how much each player is worth, financially to them. So, based on this data, and whatever personal info Cash has gleaned from his professional lifetime of contacts, the Yanks have a pretty good idea of how much someone else is going to value and pay for the professional services of Derek Jeter.

    Just like the Yankees knew how much Johnny Damon was going to get from other teams, what his market was – I will bet they know the market outside of NY for Derek Jeter. And, Cash, with approval from the Steinbrenners, knew exactly what he was doing when he publicly dared Casey Close to go find a better offer.

    If someone, as a fan, is disappointed, that’s fair. We follow teams and root for them because of an idealized vision that we have. It’s a great diversion from the realities of life for many. Nothing wrong with that. During the season, I live for my Yankees.

    But, for the people involved in the industry, this is business. And, like in any business where this sort of money passes hands, people are cold and calculating. On both sides. It took me a while, as an adult, to understand that big business is cold. But, it absolutely is. Just ask anyone who’s outlived his/her usefullness to an organization. Aging ballplayers have to face that truth, just like anyone else.

  102. ac1 November 27th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    “a-rod had 54 hr and 156 rbi in 2007, well after his ‘dirty’ years.”

    and how do you know that was a clean year?

    ___

    probably the same way we judge everyone now, by testing….

    if the testing doesn’t work for a-rod, then there is no guarantee about ANYONE.

    You can’t just pick and choose who the testing works for.

  103. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    he realities of baseball
    though stipulate that the dollars are what they are. And in that context, I think Jeter can make a good case that his value is far greater than 3 years and $45 million.

    if you go just by baseball, 15 mil a year is an overpay. Comically so.

  104. ac1 November 27th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    jeter may end up with 17-18 mil just to get this over with, but i dont see them going over the 3 years.

  105. Mell November 27th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    “if the testing doesn’t work for a-rod, then there is no guarantee about ANYONE”

    Probably the premise by which we should look at everyone. There are no guarantees.

  106. pat November 27th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Ian_OConnor #Yankees originally made a 3-year offer to Derek Jeter at less than $45 million. The 45 mil represents a second, upgraded offer.

  107. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Joe a very articulate post. But the problem is that the Yankees are having this sudden change in how they dole out money with Derek Jeter. That is the problem.

  108. MDD2 November 27th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Betsy, what has Jeter done to embarrass himself? He hasn’t said a darn thing on or off the record. He’s asking for more than the team wants to give him at first pass. What’s wrong with that? His agent is baffled by the way the team is going about the negotiation and he’s right — it has been baffling!

    I watched Jeter’s Yankeeography last night. Listened to the way George, Cash, reporters, teammates and everyone else spoke of him. Half of them have done an about face — over one sub-par year. It’s not right.

  109. ac1 November 27th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    technically it started last year with damon and matsui

  110. ac1 November 27th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    mdd2 – 15 million a year is NOT an about face. its a great amount of money for a man his age.

  111. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    jerkface -

    is alex rodriguez over paid ?

    i was just looking at his contract on cot’s.

    that contact is bad for the alex’s production

    real bad.

  112. ac1 November 27th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    or the year the yankees refused to pay pettitte 16M, and he ended up with 5.5M base. this philosophy isnt new. When there is a real need, they put out the big bucks. when they arent desperate, they stay sane.

  113. MDD2 November 27th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5856926

  114. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect those everyone is sharing here whether or not I agree. It’s a huge story for Yankee fans.

  115. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    is alex rodriguez over paid ?

    i was just looking at his contract on cot’s.

    that contact is bad for the alex’s production

    real bad.

    Yes, the A-rod contract was terrible. Atleast he will hit 30 HRs every season and drive in over 100.

  116. Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    WCYF – you’re right. They’ve changed the rules of engagement. But, part of that is that Jeter is no longer the Derek Jeter of years past. He’s older, had a relatively poor year in 2010, and his future performance is more of a question mark as a result.

    Look at Mariano. The only risk they’re taking with his contract, IMO, is that two years will be too short, that he’ll still be going strong and they’ll have to give him another raise.

    Yes, I can see the point that they’ve paid a lot to players who have not been the caliber of player as Jeter. But, that’s part of the negotiation position for Close. It’s doesn’t dictate that the Yanks overpay to that same extent. Heck, they probably figure their current offer takes that into account.

  117. Jerkface November 27th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    And just because A-rod’s contract is terrible does not mean that they should just continue to hand out bad contracts.

    So lets just stop this particular line of contract discussion.

  118. West Coast Yankee Fan November 27th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    “Yes, the Yankees can settle some old tabs here. They have the lumber in their hands this time, not Jeter, and they can swing for the fences if they’d like. They can force the shortstop to come home, iconic tail tucked between iconic legs, at their take-it-or-leave-it price. But just because they have the motive and power to defeat Jeter, and soundly, doesn’t mean they should go ahead and do it”.

    “For the same cause, and for honoring everything Jeter’s dignity, grace and talent has meant to the team, the YES Network, the new Stadium and the old brand, the Steinbrenners and Cashman should add a fourth year and another $2.5 million in annual salary to their standing offer”.

    – Ian O’Connor
    ESPN/NY

  119. randy l. November 27th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    jerkface-

    the yankees are paying alex a 30 million personal services contract for when he gets so many home runs, when he ties and breaks the hr record .

    jeter has all kinds of milestones coming up why not give him 30 million for those ?

    i don’t care one bit what arod does with home runs because once he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar i don’t trust his home run total at all.

    i care when jeter gets 3000 hits. i care when he passes gerhig or mantle in some category.

    and as far as fielding at 3rd base, alex isn’t good and there’s no excuse for that.
    the more i think about it , alex’s contract is the one that sucks.

  120. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 27th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    People need to realize that Alex’s contract has nothing to do with Jeter. Different time. Different situation.

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