A few notes and links on a Sunday night
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 28, 2010 
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In one week, the baseball world will be back in Orlando for the Winter Meetings. The Yankees got a lot done at those meetings last year, and there’s plenty to be done this time around.
Right now, nothing seems especially close, but a lot can change in seven days.
Until the Yankees close the gap in their Derek Jeter negotiations, that saga will remain an ongoing headline. It might get old, but it’s too big to ignore. One of my personal favorites, Joe Posnanski, compared the negotiations to a predictable movie.
The ending here is as sure as the final scene of Richard Gere carrying off Debra Winger, or Richard Gere carrying off Julia Roberts, or Richard Gere … well, you know. Everything that happens between now and the inevitable ending is probably pointless. But it should be fun to watch anyway.
A few more links and notes from today.
• Good notebook from George King, including the nugget that the Yankees actually got $1.2 million for letting Jonathan Albaladejo go to Japan.
• Buster Olney says Brian Cashman has already met with A.J. Burnett this fall, primarily to let Burnett know the Yankees still trust him to get the job done in 2011.
• Also from Olney about the Jeter negotiations: If New York somehow obliged, which of course seems unlikely, what would the Yankees be paying for based on his 2010 numbers (assuming the new contract is $23 million a year)? Based on Jeter’s 2010 season, they’d be paying $128,491.62 per hit, $146,496.82 per game, $343,283.58 per RBI and $534,883.72 per XBH. For reference, Alex Rodriguez makes about $234,042.55 per hit, and Mark Teixeira makes about $133,928.57 per hit.
• Javier Vazquez is getting $7 million plus a no-trade clause from the Marlins.
Cash: I came down here to tell you two things:
First of all, that I and the Yankees still have faith in your ability (lies thru teeth).
Secondly, We want you to make Cliff Lee feel real Welcome in a down home home sort of way. In a way only you will be able to do.
Will you do that for us ?
AJ: Consider it done. You can count on me. That boy is a stone cold stud. My pleasure foh sure.
Cash: By the way, after you boys are done fishin’ CC will take over. Did you know that
Cliff has a bid in on the house right next door to CC ? It’s just like they never left Cleveland.
Reunited again.
AJ: That is just awesome. I’m glad I can help.
Cash: Thanks AJ. I knew you would understand. After all you speak hillbilly fluently.
Good for Javy, while I don’t think he did all that well, I also thought that he wasn’t given anywhere near the chances as AJ was getting. I guess the contract amount of AJ dictated some of that, but I hope he does OK in Florida and back in the NL.
MTU, as long as they go fishing and wear vests, no huntin’ please! lol.
Go Bears!
Yogi-
No one in their right mind would trust AJ with a loaded weapon.
UGH that is sick. This is why I can’t pay attention to this. They make more in one day than I make in an entire year!
“Buster Olney says Brian Cashman has already met with A.J. Burnett this fall, primarily to let Burnett know the Yankees still trust him to get the job done in 2011″.
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And the last anyone ever saw of the little that remained of Brian Cashman’s credibility, it was caught up in a stiff breeze above McCabes Restaurant on Troyer Road in Monkton, Maryland — heading for it’s ignominious end in the Great Cypress swamp.
MTU, hopefully he doesn’t have bad aim with his fishing hook, but at least that isn’t as bad as a loaded weapon would be. lol.
I am hoping for a bounce back year from AJ. Gotta get his “hook” working again.
Make AJ the 5th starter, take all pressure off of him. Relieve him of a postseason start.
CC,Lee,Andy,Phil,AJ…
Job 1.
Yogi-
Let’s hope that Rothschild can do some good.
All this Jeter talk is interfering with Joba and Burnett talk. How annoying!
WCYF-
That was a very spirited defense of Jeter.
My compliments.
Thank you MTU. I am bruised and battered but still standing.
MTU November 28th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Cash: I came down here to tell you two things:
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Where was he, CC’s basement?
The compliment was well deserved IMO.
I believe in giving credit where credit is due.
I know GB wont like me complimenting him, but Randy was particularly awesome as well.
Mick-
Playin’ some pool.
They oughtta chain and gag him down there and let Nova have a shot.
LGY -
There can be no doubt that Jeter did not have a good 2010. You knew it while watching games, and you know it by looking at even the most basic of stats.
If there was no contract to be negotiated right now, I don’t think that as many people would be painting as dire a picture for Jeter as they are.
And I think there’s a lot more Cashman bashing going on here than Jeter bashing. That being said, its still sticky to hear in what amounts to an endless stream of statistics just exactly how bad Jeter was. When, as bad a year as he had, it wasn’t a lost year for him.
And, while he’s undoubtedly not getting younger, all the one bad year does is put the question out there that he could be declining; it does not definitely mark the beginning of the end. Jeter’s just stubborn enough and hard-working enough to come back strong for the length of his next contract.
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Loved Posnanski’s article. As usual!
IMO, Yanks won’t give up on AJ yet too much money invested.
Give him 1/2 a year. They won’t. He can repeat last years debacle and get out of jail free.
If he doesn’t perform at some point he needs to disappear.
Hope it doesn’t come to that because I’m not sure what they do with him if he doesn’t get it together.
Not good for the BP. Poor control, etc.
Too expensive to trade.
They shoot Igawa’s , don’t they?
A pretty decent piece in the Trentonian, by Josh Norris.
A short piece on his #10 pick in the system, Brett Marshall.
An SJ44 must read for the #10 best pick of opposing players.
http://minormatterstrenton.blogspot.com/
Maybe. If they need to be put out of their misery.
More blown money if that’s how it turns out.
Won’t be the first or the last though.
He will suddenly be prone to a variety of physical/mental ailments a la Pavano is my guess.
OK. You’re on record as saying so.
Maybe a stint in the Minors would be the wakeup call AJ needs.
But who would deliver the pies?
AJ is here for three more years at a cost of $50 million dollars. You cannot trade him, you can do nothing but keep working on things with him and hope he throws a respectable 5-6 innings every now and then. He’s losing velocity on his fastball already and without any command to speak of, I am not optimistic.
A couple of 30 second Youtube clips of Rafael DePaula and some views on the renovations of PNC Park in Scranton
http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/yankees/
Never happen.
They’d DFA him first.
Count Cano in the camp who thinks Jeter will be back- I think?
Anyone whose spanish is better than mine; chime in if I’m wrong.
“Yo creo que ?l se queda. S?lo se ha hablado de una primera oferta. Si hay alguien que yo creo que se queda de por vida en Nueva York es ?l (Jeter)
Can? entiende que Jeter “se retirar?a antes de irse a otro equipo”.
Cano believes Jeter will be back and will play the rest of his career in NY the only place he has spoken of playing in.
Jeter would retire before playing for another team.
GB-
What did you think of DePaula ?
Igawa was paid about the same . They won’t tolerate much more of his ineptitude before they make room for one of the B’s.
I just scanned through the Thanksgiving break comments very quickly.
I feel, very strongly, that some of you need to get outside. Toss the old pigskin around.
MTU, from the little I saw and heard, it sounds like he could have broken in a new catcher’s mitt in about 10 throws. Nice motion, just needs to smooth it out a tad.
Again. You’re on the record.
I’m not sure how the hell it’s gonna work out.
I’m sure they can’t be too happy though.
West Coast Yankee Fan November 28th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
AJ is here for three more years at a cost of $50 million dollars.
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Jeter money.
Mick – Burnett is not Kei Igawa. Ditching him won’t happen.
The only other semi-reasonable alternatives I can think of are these and they aren’t really practical.
1. Trade him if the Yankees are willing to eat a significant portion of his salary which I don’t think they would do.
2. Put him in the bullpen.
GB-
It’s very early but he’s considered a top end arm.
You can bet Jeter has the contracts of Igawa and Aj, amongst others, on his mind, when he’s feeling pennypinched by the Yankees.
If he continues to stink, they will create a disability, either mental or physical, and ship him down Pavano Lane.
here’s some pieces by John Nalbone at Trenton on Laird, Pope and Betances being added to the 40 man. a piece on Montero and apparently Trenton manager Tony Franklin is unhappy he wasn’t moved to the big club as a coach. He was offered a chance to look around. If he leaves, I’d think that Torre Tyson gets the job.
http://johnalbone.wordpress.com/
The contracts of igawa and burnett and every other bad one is so irrelevent. Its called learning from mistakes. Does jeter want ownership to continue to be suckers and field a sub par team so he can be paid? Is that his angle? Those decisions are meaningless
If for some miracle Burnett has a lock down year with a sub 4 ERA I hope the Yankees move him. With the killer B’s on the way, Burnett’s spot should be opened if possible.
I love how “generation trey” taught most of you absolutely nothing. Now we want to trade starters because “the killers B’s” are on their way. Please.
I wonder what Jeter’s bargaining power would be if the Yanks didn’t win in 09?
That’s a drought of 10 years for a player who is identified as a winner.
He is known more for that than his #’s, the intangibles.
Mostly I’d want to trade Burnett away because he’s inconsistent and volatile.
I suppose that complaining about Burnett for the next 2 weeks is better than 2 weeks of whining about Jeter’s contract and how much he “stinks”…just not by much.
Bret The Hitman November 28th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
If for some miracle Burnett has a lock down year with a sub 4 ERA I hope the Yankees move him. With the killer B’s on the way, Burnett’s spot should be opened if possible.
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Bret, even if Burnett has a good year, he would still have $33 million dollars remaining on his contract at the end of 2011. I can’t see anyone taking a flyer on AJ at that price. The Yankees would have to eat a lot of what would be owed him and then replace him.
AJ has a no-trade clause.
I hope we sign Lee, Mo, Jete, Andy soon.
Then pitchers and catchers report.
Montero catching.
A new Yankee prospect to cheer for at the big league level.
Can’t wait.
A.J. Burnett rhp
5 years/$82.5M (2009-13)
5 years/$82.5M (2009-13)
signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/12/08
09-13:$16.5M annually
limited no-trade clause (Burnett may block deals to 10 clubs each year)
hide the women and children, things are about to get ugly: ESPN takes a look @some of Javy’s Yankee #s:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....-be-missed
And the love affair with Montero, Betances/Brackman/Banuelos will end with their first slump…with the usual suspects leading the pack of yipping dogs. It’s inevitable.
Thanks BJK. I wasn’t aware of that.
It tells me that even a bad year from Jeter is better than a vast majority of SS.
It also tells me that even with a bad LD% or GB% or any other stat that you want to “cherry pick” he still was able to out hit all other SS. Some by a large margin.
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So much wrong here. So little time. 7 short stops ‘out hit’ Jeter. 13 short stops ‘out slugged’ Jeter. Here are the AB’s and # of Hits for short stops
AB H
663 179 Jeter
632 174 Scutaro
636 171 Tejada
585 165 A. Ramirez
543 163 H. Ramirez
563 159 Reyes
565 157 Drew
588 156 Andrus
All this says is that Jeter played in a more potent offense than these other short stops. Tejada and A. Ramirez were only 1 game shy of Jeter and both had 30+ less ABs. In no way did Jeter ‘out hit’ these players. There is value in playing and staying on the field, but only if you produce.
Ichiro and Robinson Cano both had 200+ Hits, maybe they should have won the batting title? Or the MVP? They out hit THE REST OF BASEBALL!
# GreenBeret7 November 28th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
And the love affair with Montero, Betances/Brackman/Banuelos will end with their first slump…with the usual suspects leading the pack of yipping dogs. It’s inevitable.
The love affair may end with some, but who cares?
I would rather watch Montero slump, then say John Buck, or some other high priced free agent catcher.
RIP Leslie Nielson
I am serious, and don’t call me Shirley.
-Leslie Nielson
If he’s reasonably priced and NYYs don’t bring Kerry Wood back, here’s a possible set up guy.
The Blue Jays declined their option(s) for closer Kevin Gregg earlier this month, making the right-hander a free agent for the second time in as many offseasons. Let’s review his stock…
I’m betting he returns to Tampa, though, if he’s cheap. A Type B FA.
“The Blue Jays declined their option(s) for closer Kevin Gregg earlier this month, making the right-hander a free agent for the second time in as many offseasons.”
Lesley Nielsen went from movie love interest roles to comedian. He was great with deadpan comedy. Funny, funny man. The first time that I remember seeing him was on Walt Disney as Francis Marion, “The Swamp Fox”.
***Leslie***
GB,
Now you have put the Swamp Fox song in my head. I loved that show along with Zorro on the Disney Show.
GB-
I had something in common with Nielsen.
We both are fluent in Jive.
watching prime 9 a few minutes ago….greatest infields since 1901 edition. 2009 Yankees was 3rd. 1982 Brewers and 1913 A’s were ahead of them
Sad news about Leslie Nielsen.
That is sad. Leslie Nielsen was a great comedic actor, his timing was impeccable.
You too, huh, Mac. “Swap Fox, Swamp Fox, tail on his hat. Nobody know where The Swamp Fox at.”
MTU November 28th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
GB-
I had something in common with Nielsen.
We both are fluent in Jive.
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I knew that Nielsen was, but always thought you were fluent in BS.
Sorry to hear about Nielson. He seemed like a good guy.
Mac, loved “Zorro”, too. Fun entertainment. Not exactly the same as portrayed by George Hamilton in “Zorro, The Gay Blade”.
GB-
Hey. Thanks for the compliment.
Guy Williams was a good although Anglo Zorro. Sgt. Garcia was no match for him.
Of course, there were the Moochie in the little league shows.
here you go, Mac. Enjoy.
http://www.televisiontunes.com/Swamp_Fox_(The).html
My pleasure, MTU. I always give credit (or blame) when it’s due
Thanks GB. Why do I know the words of this and dozens of TV shows of the day? Not to mention commercials. I’m surprised there is room for useful information for things like Mantle’s 1956 stats.
Ahh bringing back memories:
Combat
The Gallant Men
Sky King
My Friend Flicka
The Lone Ranger
West Coast,
Good list. Gotta go with Maverick for my favorite. Combat over Gallant Men. Vic Morrow was a tough guy. Sky King could find trouble flying around on the Songbird. There must have been a rustling problem.
Any time, Mac. I have most odt the old tv show themes loaded on the computer from Maverick to Robin Hood and most all of the adventure and western themes. I enjoy going back and remembering those shows. fun times as a kid.
austinmac – I was so addicted to Combat. Little John! Kirby! Let’s move out!
GB, Robin Hood was another great theme song. Who wouldn’t want to be feared by the bad and loved by the good?
Mac, look at the tabs at the top under “M”. Maverick is there as is Cheyanne and Sugarfoot
West Coast,
I was Sgt. Saunders when I had my helmet, canteen and Tommy gun.
ustinmac November 28th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
GB, Robin Hood was another great theme song. Who wouldn’t want to be feared by the bad and loved by the good?
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Didn’t see that one on that board or “Bat Masterson”. I have it on the computer though
Thanks GB. I always thought the Cheyenne song a bit sad. I liked that show better than Sugarfoot or Bronco.
“And I think there’s a lot more Cashman bashing going on here than Jeter bashing.”
Bashing Cashman is like failing one of life’s IQ tests.
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“I am serious, and don’t call me Shirley.
-Leslie Nielson”
Classic. RIP.
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Wake me when they sign Lee.
Mac, did you ever see the episode of Combat where one of the German machine gun teams was Warren Spahn? It surprised me that he’d play that part since he was awarded the Bronze Star for Valor and Purple Heart and Battlefield Commision at “The Battle Of The Bulge”.
Remember Johnny Cash singing the theme to “The Rebel”. Johnny Yuma?
I did see that one. I always liked Spahn anyway.
Nick Adams was troubled in the show and unfortunately in real life. I didn’t know that was Johnny Cash. Good info.
Branded was a good song and show.
The themes to Bat Masterson and Wyatt Earp are on that site also.
Aww, I just came on to find out about Leslie Nielson………….RIP
Airplane might be one of the funniest movies of all time…….he was brilliant. Just looking at him made me laugh………….and don’t even talk about the Naked Gun series.
Damned. gotta find some DVDs to those shows. I do get to watch a lot of them on the Encore Westerns channel. Makes me feel like a kid again.
Randy likes watching The Flintstones to see the old home town again
He made people laugh – that’s a pretty nice legacy
I had forgotten about “Branded”, Mac. Rhat was indeed a good theme song.
Theme to “Branded”
http://www.televisiontunes.com/Branded_-_Full.html
It’s been a feeding frenzy for writers looking for something to pontificate about. What’s notable, is that this is from Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune, a respected baseball writer who has been covering major league baseball for thirty years:
“Derek Jeter still could help a lot of teams, not to mention that he’s only 74 hits away from 3,000 and is sure to sell a lot of tickets. The Red Sox are among the teams that at least must be discussing Jeter. Wouldn’t this be delicious?
They have two shortstops now but have been listening to offers for Marco Scutaro. Jeter could fit at shortstop for at least one or two more years, with Jed Lowrie understudying him. Then he could move to left field with the limited acreage at Fenway Park assisting in the transition once it’s time to hand short to Lowrie or Jose Iglesias. He would be a great fit playing for Terry Francona and alongside gamers such as Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis”.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....036.column
If this gets out of hand, I felt that boston and the metsies were two options, with boston being the more likely in terms of ability to face the Yankees multiple times and ‘make them pay’. That said, there’s something to be said for staying in NY, so the metsies still would figure. They could then get some legit pieces for Reyes.
But wake me from this dream when he resigns with the Yankees.
RIP Leslie Nielsen
Re:
Combat
The Gallant Men
Sky King
My Friend Flicka
The Lone Ranger
As I’m a child of the late ’60s, all I remember is the Lone Ranger. Can someone fill me in on the rest? I’m particularly interested in Combat.
Agree, DaSaint.
Airplane
Good night.
A “respected baseball writer” says Phil Rogers is wrong.
“Let?s get this out of the way: The Red Sox will not bid on Derek Jeter.”
http://www.boston.com/yourtown.....ts/?page=2
DaSaint007
I tried posting all 3 at once and waiting for moderation, so here is the list 1 at a time.
Combat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat!
The Gallant Men
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gallant_Men
Sky King
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_King
My Friend Flicka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M....._series%29
Maybe it’s late or I can’t count. Either way it’s 4 not 3
Combat link isn’t working properly. After you click the link, click on Combat (disambiguation) and scroll down to the 4th on the list, Combat!. That will take you to the TV series.
I am in an undisclosed location (security) in Humboldt County, and let me tell you, no one up here seems too stressed about the Jeter negotiations.
Not to worry.
LOL who could be stressed out in Humboldt county. They weed out those grasshoppers right away.
According to an industry source, the 32-year-old Lee would like to be paid $23 million a year for six seasons.
I want this source to be correct.
Good morning, morning people.
Are you as talked out as I am?
MP-
Good Morning to you M’am.
I assume you refer to Mr. Jeter.
Yletulosba-ay !
In case you didn’t know I speak at least five languages.
That’s my answer in Pig Latin.
good morning early birds!!!
I hoped when I returned from Thanksgiving travels there would be a new topic of conversation, or that the contract would be settled…no such luck
Kate-
Hold tight. It will be over by the Winter Meetings.
Good morning everyone.
Hope Derek signs soon, before the winter meetings.
Kate-
And Mo, AP, and Lee will be under our Xmas trees.
on a positive note, I am very happy that Javy and Dejo found new destinations. I really wanted to Javy to do well. He did end up w/ a 10-10 record, much better than our #2 starter!
Kate-
And we got a draft pick for him !
Last night on Mike’d Up, Sweeney Murti and Mark Feinsand were on. They were all predicting that Lee would be signed by the end of the winter meetings and that he would be holding up his pinstriped jersey at a press conference in 2 weeks.
They also were surprised that Derek isn’t signed yet, but of course still see him coming back to the Yankees on a 4 year deal.
Fran-
I agree with both predicitions.
With the possible exception of the time frame.
edit: “predictions”. sorry.
MTU,
I agree with them too. I really don’t think Texas will be able to match the Yankees in dollars and I think that the Lee signing will happen sooner rather than later.
As for Derek, I just wish it would happen soon.
MTU,
I agree Jeter will be this week and Cliff will be next week
Fran-
The Yankees can’t afford to let the Jeter thing drag on too much longer.
IF Jeter is not returning (I think he is) then the Yankees will have the additional task of identifying his replacement. They would certainly wish to explore that topic at the Winter Meetings.
Lee will be there #1 priority though IMO.
Blake-
Lee ‘s agent is merely shaking the trees right now to see what low hanging fruit falls into his lap.
That exploration continues during the Winter meetings.
An assessment will follow, some more negotiation, and then a deal will be made with the Yankees.
Speaking of Christmas trees, I’m contemplating getting an artificial one for our family room. We usually get a real one every year, but I’ve kind of always wanted to have an artificial in reserve in case we wanted to go on vacation around the Christmas holidays. And time is going to be at a crunch this December – so between shopping for the real tree (not a problem since we go to the same place every year), setting it up and letting it settle and then my husband finding the time to do the lights (or I could do them – but I do everything else, so I figure the husband can do this part), and then decorating, I’m thinking one of those pre-lit very real looking trees is looking very enticing right about now.
And I am prepared to be surprised by Cashman.
Another move out of left, or right field so to speak ?
That’s low man on the totem pole though.
I believe in the “Golden Rule”.
He who has the gold rules.
Cashman has the gold, maybe he rules the Winter meetings ?
Hint: Gold doesn’t only have to be the only form of exchange.
MTU,
I think the Yanks will throw 5/115-120 out there, the Rangers will match, then Cashman will bump it to 6/140 and the Rangers wont follow….just my guess.
MP
We went artificial a few years ago, and have not regretted it a bit. Getting the tree went from being a fun activity (at one point we even cut our own) to being a chore. Now I can put it up as early as I want and leave it up as long as I want w/o having to worry about needles falling.
Our pets are just as happy w/ the artificial tree as well!
Blake-
The Yankees want Lee.
The only reasons he would wind up in the Stripes are 2-fold:
1 He makes outrageous beyond the pale demands.
2 He finds one dumb owner.
I’m betting against both.
If I have a concern with Lee and his upcoming contract it will be over
his health going forward.
He’s reported to be a workout freak and has excellent mechanics but he’s no spring chicken either.
I think the Yankees will accept 4 of 5/6 healthy seasons though.
Blake-
Meant to say “wouldn’t wind up in stripes”. Sorry. It’s the Alzheimer’s acting up again.
I would be very surprised if Lee didn’t end up w/ the Yankees. With the Yankees, he will be on a play off team every year, the same can’t be said for TX. I expect the Angels will make some big moves this off season.
Kate-
I agree with you on the Halos.
Another team which seems serious this OS is the Tigers.
If you believe what George King is saying early today, it looks like the Yanks are hoarding their M & Ms. He claims that the Yanks have not upped their offer to Captain Jeter:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....YvB2iem3fP
I think if Jeter doesn’t accept the inevitable pretty soon, he should be demoted forthwith to Private and allowed to join the ranks peeling potatoes with some loser team. On the other hand, if he finally sees the light and agrees to re-up on the very generous terms the Yanks have offered, I’d gladly welcome him back to the Officer’s Club. And after 3 more years of service, he can follow Gen. MacArthur with a speech to Congress and a tickertape parade down the Great White Way. Love ya, Jeet, but it’s really time you owned up to the inevitable.
MTU,
Yea injuries are a risk with every pitcher long term but age doesn’t concern me as much with Lee as some others. He has very sound mechanics, keeps in good.shape as you said, and.really hasn’t thrown that many innings for his age. He SHOULD age well barring something unusual happening.
I had high expectations for the Tigers last year, I could see them making a run at it this year.
I do not believe Jeter will accept a straight 3/45 offer.
Blake-
Even though it was just muscular in nature I am a little concerned about Lee’s back.
“And I am prepared to be surprised by Cashman.”
Don’t see that this year. I think things will be pretty straightforward. Sign the FA’s and move on. When you think about it, we probably should not have been all that surprised at the Granderson thing. This time last year, there was a lot less certainty around Gardner’s ability to be an everyday player and after 4 years of an 87 OPS+ from Cabrera, there was near 100% certainty that he wasn’t one. Credit to Cashman for not being blinded by the WS success and recognizing a fairly obvious hole in the OF. I don’t see any real holes amongst the everyday team and assuming Pettitte comes back and the expected FA’s are locked up, a little extra bullpen help is about all I expect for this winter.
Mell-
Ya ‘ never know though. That’s what makes it fun.
upstate kate -
It sounds like you went through exactly the same process as we did!
Every year when the kids were younger it was an outing – cut down our own tree. We stopped doing that when two years in a row, though we cut the tree down ourselves, the trees ended up being diseased, so we figured it wasn’t worth the frostbitten hands. Then we used to scour all the best lots for the best tree. Now we found one place about 10 minutes from home that imports the trees from Washington State, I think, but they’re dependable. But it’s a real time killer now and the scent of fresh pine isn’t worth the extra work.
Trade chips + an open Cashman mind => might lead to surprises.
Like these for instance :
Phelps, Nova, Warren, One of the B’s.
Romine, Adams, Etc.
Who knows ? Cash will always be willing to listen, and will move any player in the right deal.
Logjam developing at the upper levels of the Minors. Surplus might exist.
Feel free to bait your hook and chum the waters Mr. Cashman.
Let’s see what you might be able to reel in.
You can’t possibly keep it all.
Use it or loose it Cash.
MP
I have started a new tradition now that my son is in college. I start decorating the Sunday after Thanksgiving. That way it gives me a happy thing to do when he leaves after break.
It also helps that the artifical trees now are very realistic looking.
Know when to hold ‘em know when to fold ‘em.
Maybe now is the time to fold a few ?
I like the Yankees current outfield. However whether they make a move or not may depend on how much they actually believe in Gardner internally and also what they are planning to do with Swisher when his deal is up (he has an option after this season). Do they believe Gardner can sustain the level of play he showed last year for a 3-4 year stretch? Are they going to committ to Swisher and Granderson past their current deals? There is no glaring need in the Yankee outfield right now for next year but we don’t know if they are thinking beyond that or not.
Blake-
I guarantee you they are thinking beyond next year. Iron clad certain of it.
That’s the way they do business.
after contemplating which team jeter should go to, i’m thinking jeter would look good in a twins uniform.
mauer,morneau, and jeter would be excellent. jeter would fit right in with the way the twins play baseball.
Well I hope Mike and Sweeney (who I dislike) are wrong………I wouldn’t give Jeter 4 years and I don’t think the Yankees will budge on that.
MTU,
Agreed and in doing so you have to also consider what may be available in the future and what assets you have may be worth in the future as well.
Blake-
That’s why guys like Tulo might be on their radar.
or look at CC. Thy passed on Santana. Don’t you think they were looking ahead when the price got to steep ?
I see the Yankees budging on the annual salary, but not the years.
Randy-
He would but I think he looks the best in PS.
Blake, all good questions. The Yankees don’t have any OFers in their system to speak of (I don’t believe Heathcott had a particularly good year this year and, even so, he’s extremely raw), so they are going to be in a pickle. I like Swisher, but I don’t think I would re-sign him to a long-term deal after this one is up. I love Granderson, but he’s got a few more years on his deal, if I recall. Gardner? I admit I have my doubts.
Mell-
Maybe that’s how it shakes out. Maybe not. We’re fixin’ to find out soon.
I don’t think Jeet would look good in any uni but pinstripes
Blake-
And SJ has said in the past that he thought the Yankees were excellent at self-scouting.
Mell November 29th, 2010 at 8:20 am
“I see the Yankees budging on the annual salary, but not the years”
I hope you’re right, Mell. Like most everybody, I believe it’s quite possible that Derek has a “Last Hurrah” year left in him. But three years is already dicey in my opinion. A forth year could be a disaster for the Yanks – and Jeter.
On the other hand, that forth year in a Twins uni doesn’t look so bad to me as a Yankee fan, Randy!:)
3/18 Mil and move on to Lee.
Betsy,
I really like Gardner but is his value ever going to be higher than it s now?….probably not because he’s so cheap at the moment. His cost is a good reason for the Yankees to keep him as well but You also have to consider his age and how he will do once he creeps over 30 with his game so reliant on speed. Swisher has an option that they could pick up for 2012 so I don’t know what they’ll do there but as stable as the Yankee outfield seems now, it could become unstable again in a year or two…..of course they could just address it then, but there may not anytrhing available then. My guess is the 2011 outfield will be the sane as the 2010 outfield but if something comes along that makes sense to improve it now and for the future then I think Cashman will consider it.
MTU,
Tulo is probably definitly on their radar but I don’t see anybody prying him away from the Rockies for awhile.
I sure hope Jeter doesn’t wind up “Damonizing” himself.
“He would but I think he looks the best in PS.”
mtu-
he’ll come back when after winning a ring with the twins when the present Vichy yankee management is run out of town after the twins eliminate the yankees in the 2011 league championship series.
( jeter only signed a one year ten million contract with the twins , but made 30 million in national ads when he became a hero to middle america for wanting to go to a place that plays the game right and putting that above playing for the highest bidder )
Blake-
We were talking about looking ahead. No guarantee that you wind up with the targets you identify.
The point is that they do it. That it is part of the Yankee MO.
They would be sadly remiss if they didn’t.
upstate kate November 29th, 2010 at 8:10 am
MP
I have started a new tradition now that my son is in college. I start decorating the Sunday after Thanksgiving. That way it gives me a happy thing to do when he leaves after break.
It also helps that the artifical trees now are very realistic looking.
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You need to get the latest in artificial trees, Kate. They look real. come with spray cans of evergreen scented air freshener, a can of tree artificial sap to drip on the carpets and floors, and best of all is the two bags of artificial pine needles that you can spread around the tree and when you vacuum, it clogs the vacuum cleaner just like in the old days.
Randy-
I understand what you are saying.
I do doubt that the cheap a*s twins would sign a relatively expensive toy like Jeter.
If Jeter wants more than the Yanks seem willing to offer he must develop leverage of the kind the Yankees will recognize, and be forced to take notice of.
Can his agent generate legimate alternatives ? Hope we don’t have to find out.
“That’s why guys like Tulo might be on their radar”
Rocks aren’t trading Tulowitski. Team friendly contract that averages less than $10M over the next 4 seasons. Plus the Rocks financial picture gets a lot rosier after 2011 when Helton’s contract is finally up.
Hold firm on 3 years for Jeter. Up the money to $18M per. He’ll be putting rumps in seats as he nears 3,000 hits plus the mechandising factor.
It’s time to get it over with and move on to Rivera, Lee, and Pettitte. Cashman needs a clear picture of what needs to be done in dealing with other teams a week from today at the GM meetings.
Mell-
I didn’t say now. I mean’t if the need exists in the future.
Blake, I agree.
Later!
“You need to get the latest in artificial trees, Kate. They look real. come with spray cans of evergreen scented air freshener”
Agreed. Also might consider some X-mas smelling Yankee Candles as an alternative to the air fresheners. My GF has been doing that for the past few years and it works quite nicely.
MTU:
My bad. You never know. I think Tulo may well end up a career Rockie. Immensely popular out there. Locked up thru 2014 at reasonable money and it wouldn’t shock me at all to see him extended ahead of his 2014 option year.
and best of all your dogs can’t tell the difference!
Randy-
You know what.
If I’m Jeter and I’m not satisfied with what’s out there for me I might just consider early retirement.
I’m guaranteed HOF entry.
I’m rich beyond my dreams.
I have a beautiful girlfriend who I might like to spend even more time with.
And I can continue to make money in all sorts of ways.
Something to think about ?
GB/Mell
Altho we live in town, we have woods behind our house, complete w/ pine trees and wild animals…that is good enough for me…altho I do sometimes burn evergreen candles
Randy, I just don’t see how the Twins sign Jeter. Are they going to top 3 for $45 million? I don’t think so!
Mell-
No problemo.
My point was really in the context of another coversation w Blake over how the Yankees identify players to fill future needs.
My point to him was that they are always looking ahead.
upstate kate November 29th, 2010 at 8:49 am
GB/Mell
Altho we live in town, we have woods behind our house, complete w/ pine trees and wild animals…that is good enough for me…altho I do sometimes burn evergreen candles
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Boy, do you ever know how to spoil my joke. I thought I’d get you with the artificial needles and vacuum cleaner line. I must be losing my touch.
“If Jeter wants more than the Yanks seem willing to offer he must develop leverage of the kind the Yankees will recognize, and be forced to take notice of.”
mtu-
when someone gets ticked off they often make decisions independent of money.
plus jeter will win over the twins fans when he signs on christmas eve when says to the nation that he wants to play baseball in the land of real christmas trees.
GB-
“I must be losing my touch.”
It seems to me you lost touch a long time ago.
Randy-
This is one time I hope you are dead wrong.
sorry GB, I guess I read it too fast…I don’t miss either the sap or the needles everywhere
MTU November 29th, 2010 at 8:54 am
GB-
“I must be losing my touch.”
It seems to me you lost touch a long time ago.
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Either that or it’s too early in the morning, and I haven’t had my Super Sugar Crisp, yet/.
“If I’m Jeter and I’m not satisfied with what’s out there for me I might just consider early retirement.”
mtu-
no way.
jeter still loves playing baseball.
jeter not playing baseball would be like you not going for long walks in the desert.
upstate kate November 29th, 2010 at 8:56 am
sorry GB, I guess I read it too fast…I don’t miss either the sap or the needles everywhere
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Without the kids around, I don’t miss any of it. It’s just another day. Hopefully, that’ll change as the twins get older.
GB-
Breakfast IS the most important meal of the day.
Randy-
I understand that but what if the BLM closed off all my favorite trails.
Do I keep hiking then, or do I find a new hobby ?
mtu -
i can actually see cashman more likely to sign lee for ridiculous years and doolars if he’s not sure he’s going to sign jeter.
if jeter leaves, the only way cashman will survive is if the yankees win the world series next year. if cashman decides jeter is gone, i look to him to stack the team to guarantee a world series. the only way to stack the team is to overspend .
so if no jeter, look to the yankees to overspend this winter to overcompensate for losing jeter.
Randy-
That may be but I hope it doesn’t come to pass.
I like to think that Derek is a wee bit smarter than Johnny D.
“Do I keep hiking then, or do I find a new hobby ?”
mtu-
well, you could always team up with gb7 and enter synchronized ass scratching contests.
i’ve heard that’s becoming quite popular down where gb7 lives.
Randy-
Head scratching is more appropriate considering the topic.
And by the way, the Effin’ BLM is always trying to do just that.
It’s why they suck IMO.