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Spreading the wealth with postseason shares

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After losing in the ALCS, the Yankees had more than $6.5 million to split among themselves as part of the postseason players pool. They awarded 43 full shares, 15.75 partial shares and 1 cash award, with each full share being worth $110,302.97. Here’s more on the breakdown of the postseason shares for each team.

A full postseason share for the 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants totaled $317,631.29, while a full share for the American League Champion Texas Rangers amounted to $246,279.55, Major League Baseball announced today. Last year’s share amounts were $350,030.00 for the World Series Champion New York Yankees and $265,357.50 for the National League Champion Philadelphia Phillies.

The players’ pool, formed from 60 percent of the gate receipts from the first three games of the Division Series and 60 percent of the gate receipts from the first four games of the League Championship series and the World Series, was divided among 12 clubs: the World Series participants, the League Championship Series and Division Series runners-up, and the four regular season second-place clubs that were not Wild Card participants.

The club-by-club breakdown follows:

World Series Champions
San Francisco Giants (Share of Players’ Pool: $19,764,779.19; value of each full share: $317,631.29) – The Giants awarded 50 full shares, 9.89 partial shares and 5 cash awards.

American League Champions
Texas Rangers (Share of Players’ Pool: $13,176,519.46; value of each full share: $246,279.55) – The Rangers awarded 44 full shares, 8 partial shares and 12 cash awards.

League Championship Series Runners-Up
Philadelphia Phillies (Share of Players’ Pool: $6,588,259.73; value of each full share: $123,140.50) – The Phillies awarded 43 full shares, 10.42 partial shares and 1 cash award.

New York Yankees (Share of Players’ Pool: $6,588,259.73; value of each full share: $110,302.97) – The Yankees awarded 43 full shares, 15.75 partial shares and 1 cash award.

Division Series Runners-Up
Minnesota Twins (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,647,064.93; value of each full share: $30,883.43) – The Twins awarded 42 full shares, 10.17 partial shares and 16 cash awards.

Atlanta Braves (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,647,064.93; value of each full share: $29,510.57) – The Braves awarded 48 full shares, 7.03 partial shares and 35 cash awards.

Tampa Bay Rays (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,647,064.93; value of each full share: $28,141.51) – The Rays awarded 45 full shares, 10.48 partial shares and 20 cash awards.

Cincinnati Reds (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,647,064.93; value of each full share: $26,910.27) – The Reds awarded 48 full shares, 10.01 partial shares and 20 cash awards.

Second-Place Finishers (Non-Wild Card Clubs)
Chicago White Sox (Share of Players’ Pool: $549,021.64; value of each full share: $10,885.57) – The White Sox awarded 43 full shares, 6.33 partial shares and 9 cash awards.

San Diego Padres (Share of Players’ Pool: $549,021.64; value of each full share: $10,118.84) – The Padres awarded 47 full shares, 6.75 partial shares and 1 cash award.

Oakland Athletics (Share of Players’ Pool: $549,021.64; value of each full share: $9,832.05) – The A’s awarded 43 full shares, 12.5 partial shares and 3 cash awards.

St. Louis Cardinals (Share of Players’ Pool: $549,021.64; value of each full share: $9,679.42) – The Cardinals awarded 44 full shares, 12.05 partial shares and 4 cash awards.

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273 Responses to “Spreading the wealth with postseason shares”

  1. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    How is it Cashmans fault what the team doctors and trainers recommend Wang do over the Winter?

  2. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Front office still defaming Jeter!!!!

    NEW YORK — Negotiations between the Yankees and Derek Jeter are at a standstill until Jeter and his agent, Casey Close, “drink the reality potion,” according to a source close to the negotiations.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5862839

  3. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    This is looking more and more like a messy divorce than a baseball negotiation.

  4. PacoDooley November 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    I’d like to know who got the shares (and who got the ‘cash award’). Interesting to see that this could actually be a major increase in salary to the younger players, like those still making at or near the league minimum…

  5. yanks61 November 29th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Thanks, Chip.

    And thanks to all of you for this most recent episode in the long running soap opera of “What Becomes of Derek?”

  6. Mell November 29th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    “(and who got the ‘cash award’).”

    Air fare for Vazquez?

    Actually, I’d imagine it was a bat boy or clubhouse attendant.

  7. Erin November 29th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    yanks61 November 29th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    Thanks, Chip.

    And thanks to all of you for this most recent episode in the long running soap opera of “What Becomes of Derek?”

    **********************
    LOL

    I hope we get a conclusion of this soap opera really, really soon. ;)

  8. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    SJ44 November 29th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    Nunez has no impact on these negotiations.

    This strictly about finding a deal that works for both parties.

    Not a single other team in baseball has made Derek an offer. Nobody is offering him four years.

    If they were, those offers would have already been made.

    *******

    Just quit. You absolutely SUCK at drawing inferences from statements.

    Where did I say that Nunez is impacting these negotiations?

    I’m only saying that the boost in perceived value to Nunez is a bonus.

  9. yanks61 November 29th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    LGY, since I see that you there now, I wonder if you, Face, or Rich in NJ, can help me with this. I’m one of the (probably few) old-timers (a Yankee fan since 1953) who is really fascinated by the new stats. I have to admit to being nearly a math illiterate (I think there’s another word for that!) but, like most of us, went straight to the back of baseball cards as a kid. The more stuff out there, the merrier. I kinda think that for me Murphydog, if I understood him correctly, put his finger on how I perceive Sabermetrics: it’s another resource in addition to all the good old tried and true scouting and observational methods.

    However, I also wonder if GB7, Randy l and others don’t have a point about how subjective the compilation of stats are regarding, for example, range factors, or how hard a ball was hit (when do you call it a line drive and when just a fly ball.) I mean how is that determined now?

    I also wonder if computer software could be developed (or is already developed?) to make those kind of determinations by analyzing things like the speed of the ball off the bat and the angle of the trajectory. In helping to determine range, might it be possible to, for example, have the computer, with once again the help of other technology, determine the speed of the ball heading to the left or right of an infielder, calculate how many feet he is away from the batted ball as the ball leaves the bat and how many feet he then moved to catch it, or by how many feet he missed catching it?

    I’m not sure I’m getting my question across very well, or if it’s even a very intelligent question:) but can one or more of you guys help me with that?

  10. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    This is looking more and more like a messy divorce than a baseball negotiation.

    ———————————–

    Don’t overreact – things were just as testy between the Red Sox and Varitek in 2008 – they got a deal done and so will the Yankees and Jeter.

  11. SJ44 November 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Bret,

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY sucks at drawing inferences than you.

    Especially if you think the Yankees are “defaming” Jeter or if you still believe he’s going to get a 6 year offer from somebody.

    Take your own advice.

  12. yanks61 November 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    “LOL

    I hope we get a conclusion of this soap opera really, really soon.”

    Me, too, Erin. I’m getting ready to change the channel!

  13. ac1 November 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Front office still defaming Jeter!!!!

    NEW YORK — Negotiations between the Yankees and Derek Jeter are at a standstill until Jeter and his agent, Casey Close, “drink the reality potion,” according to a source close to the negotiations.

    ___

    Sounds made up. Don’t assume the annoying comments automatically are coming from Yankee brass. Besides Hank, the rest have more class than that.

  14. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Chip,

    Torre reached the playoffs every year as Yankees coach and they kicked him to the curb without flinching.

    They made him an offer just like this one.

    “Fair” according to their definition but “baffling” according to the other side.

    Nothing would surprise me here.

  15. Mike Ri November 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    No No Bret the HItman. . . That was me asking about Nunez !.

  16. Mell November 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Bret:

    Take it easy, bro. Another poster asked whether Nunez would have any impact on the negotiations.

  17. ac1 November 29th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Jeter is a Yankee. BUT, even though the language from these ‘sources’ is bad, they are right. He needs a reality check if he thinks he deserves a raise from his last deal. Sorry, i love Jeter as much as anyone, but team first.

  18. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    SJ44 November 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    Bret,

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY sucks at drawing inferences than you.

    Especially if you think the Yankees are “defaming” Jeter or if you still believe he’s going to get a 6 year offer from somebody.

    Take your own advice.

    ********

    You are the king of putting words in people’s mouths.

    I never said Jeter is going to get a 6 year offer from somebody.

    I said he’ll get more than 4.

    Are you saying he won’t get more than 3?

    If that’s the case, you’re slipping.

  19. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Compliments of MLB-Rumors-R-Us

    •Yankees – They’re the favorites for Lee, and Andy Pettitte might be leaning toward a return. The Yankees are not expected to participate in the next bracket of free agent starters if one of those options falls through, and the trade market is barren if Greinke is off-limits.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/…..ching.html

  20. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Yanks61

    I’m on my phone and about to jump on the subway but quick answer is that now people, many if not most former ballplayers, are trained to make those judgements.

    They are developing HitFX though which should be available soon that is basically the computer system you are describing. It will track the velocity movement etc of the ball like pitch FX and more.

    Someone else can you you a more complete answer or I can later.

  21. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Mike Ri November 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    No No Bret the HItman. . . That was me asking about Nunez !.

    **********

    And I was agreeing that the nature of this hardline negotiation with Jeter subtly indicate a faith in Nunez and the bonus of them will be that his perceived value gets a little boost.

    SJ ASSumed I was saying that the Yankees faith in Nunez is driving the negotiation or impacting it.

    Chicken before the egg.

  22. yanks61 November 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Many thanks LGY!

  23. Mike Ri November 29th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Ok Bret , i enjoy your posts . . .but you need to calm down a little bit . .lol :-)

  24. Tom in N.J. November 29th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Mariano and Vin Scully born on the same day. 2 timeless baseball icons.

  25. hardwired7 November 29th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    did Jeter ask for 3 shares?

    j/k

  26. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Mike Ri November 29th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    Ok Bret , i enjoy your posts . . .but you need to calm down a little bit . .lol

    *******

    It’s not easy.

    I hate having to both say what I’m saying and what I’m not saying.

    Certain people jump to conclusions and it forces me to do that.

    Something I really hate about the Internet…

    You have to say what you’re saying and also qualify it with what you’re not saying.

    Nobody gets it the first time.

  27. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    I just can’t imagine this situation will drag on that much longer. For all the talk about Jeter’s pride and ego, does anyone think he’s actually enjoying this?

    Its pretty obvious to everyone he doesn’t have a lot of options. I’m not sure he wants that to be rehashed for months on end..

  28. Bronx Jeers November 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    “…and the four regular season second-place clubs that were not Wild Card participants.”

    The Red Sox got shut out of the $$$? They had a better record in a tougher division than the white sox and the A’s.

    Oh well.

  29. blake November 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Dodgers are close to signing Uribe

    http://WWW.MLBTRADERUMORS.COM

  30. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Good Lord…has somebody really read Wally Matthews and quoted one of his sources? His only source close to the Yankee front office is the janitor that cleans the executive johns.

  31. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Yanks61

    Decided to take a cab.
    They are also developing Field FX which will track the fielders. Where they started, how far they moved, how long it took them to get there and such.

  32. Mike Ri November 29th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    LOL GB7

    sad but true !

  33. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    Chip,

    Torre reached the playoffs every year as Yankees coach and they kicked him to the curb without flinching.

    They made him an offer just like this one.

    “Fair” according to their definition but “baffling” according to the other side.

    Nothing would surprise me here.

    ———————————–

    “Fair” according to every other executive in the game as well.

    The Yankees are offering Derek Jeter more money to play short stop than any other player in baseball is getting at that position – by a pretty good margin.

    Don’t hold me to this – but I think the second highest paid short stop in the game is Furcal at $12 mil this year.

    You’re correct when you say there are similarities between these negotiations and the Torre one:

    Yankees offered to make both the highest paid at their jobs
    Yankees asked both to take a paycut

    But the difference between the two is that with Torre they also offered him some additional money/years based on incentives. The Yankees aren’t making Jeter play for pay – they’re willing to give him more years and money than the market dictates because he’s Derek Jeter.

    As SJ said, if Derek takes less money how does that presser go?

    Q: Derek, the Yankees offered you 3 years $15 mil a year – you accepted 1 year $12 mil to play for St. Louis; why?

    A: Well the Yankees insulted me with their low offer so I took a lower one to stick it to them?

    Or if Derek signs with a bad team that offers him more money per year:

    Q: Derek, you always talked about how important winning is, yet here you are in a Royals’ uniform…what happened?

    A: umm…….

    In the end Bret, a negotiation is about who has the leverege – 10 years ago Jeter had it and used it to the tune of $189 million. Now he has none. He’s a 36-year old player who is showing some signs of age. He has some gate appeal but not as much as we might believe (if the Yankees keep winning they’ll keep drawing with or without DJ). No team has made him an offer close to what the Yankees have much less close to what he is reported to want. So why would Brian offer him a greater contract?

    It’s like when you put your house on the market, if I bid $850k and you want $2 million, but no one else is making you offers on it, why would I significantly raise my offer? You can either lower your expectations or keep the house and get nothing. That’s where Derek’s at right now – no one is offering him a dime more than what the Yankees are – his choices are to lower his demands or walk away from the game with what he’s already got.

  34. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    blake November 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    Dodgers are close to signing Uribe

    ——————

    See there you go – if the Yankees lose Jeter they can sign Carl Crawford and trade Gardner for Furcal:

    Furcal – SS
    Crawford – LF
    Tex – 1b
    Alex – 3b
    Cano – 2b
    Swisher – RF
    Posada – DH
    Granderson – CF
    Montero – C

  35. blake November 29th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Chip,

    Wally has some reality potion left over if you’d like some ;)

  36. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Chip,

    Everything you said assumes Jeter won’t get offered more than 3 years from another team when honestly we don’t know that.

    You also assume other executives don’t have something more than “fair” in mind for Jeter. It’s still early in the free agent process. Not one big name has signed or even reached serious negotiations yet.

    You also assume the Yankees believe their offer can’t be beat.

    Maybe they know someone can beat it just as they likely knew a team like the Dodgers would snatch away Torre.

  37. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    If the LA Doggies sign Uribe, he’ll play 2nd or 3rd base…until Furcal goes on the DL again.

  38. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Thursday is the date for non-tenders – should be interesting to see who joins the list of Free Agents.

    I always liked Ryan Theriot and as MLBTraderumors points out – with the Uribe signing that pretty much means he’s assured of being non-tendered. He isn’t a fit for the Yankees though…tis a shame.

    Sometimes there a few diamonds in the rough who get let go for reasons other than that they stink – would behoove Cashman to try and find a few of those diamonds.

  39. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    If the Yankees can’t land Lee – which they should, as long as it’s for under 6 years/24M AAV – I believe they immediately take a gamble on De La Rosa for around 3 years/30M.

  40. blake November 29th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    I think they are signing him primarily to play 2nd…..3 years seems long.

  41. christina12 November 29th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Where did people got the idea that the Red Sox got messy with Varitek back in 2008? Let me do a summary about Varitek’s free agency. Varitek was offered arbritration which he declined. Then Texeiria choose the Yankees and the Red Sox management stopped talking to Boras all together. Boras was calling Theo about Varitek and Theo refused his calls. Then Varitek called Henry and had a face to face meeting. Couple days after that Hoyer talked to Boras and Varitek was offered a 2 year deal 5 million each year and he signed. Never once did the Red Sox management said anything about Varitek in the media like the Yankees are doing to Jeter. Let me tell you what I think about the Yankees treatment to Jeter. I’m disgusted by them. Not about their money offer but their trashing to the media. And this is coming from a hard core Red Sox fan.

  42. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Trade Pena straight up for The Riot and use him as a utility infielder.

  43. ac1 November 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    You think someone is going to put more than 3 years and more than 15 m out there for jeter? there are a lot of cheap owners in mlb. i dont see it.

  44. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    Chip,

    Everything you said assumes Jeter won’t get offered more than 3 years from another team when honestly we don’t know that.

    ———————————–

    Jeter’s been a free agent for a month now; he has exactly one more contract offer than I do.

    The Yankees didn’t offer him arbitration so a team wouldn’t have to surrender a draft pick for him and still the phones in Casey Close’s office are silent.

    I think Close will see if he can drum up some token interest to leak to the media at the winter meetings – but other than that he’s got no shot.

    By the way – when Yanks61 asked if I thought there was a deadline on the Jeter talks from Cashman I totally vamped on the question – yeah, there is a firm deadline. Because the Yankees didn’t offer him arbitration at some point the two sides have to stop talking and can’t reopen negotiations until March.

  45. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    Trade Pena straight up for The Riot and use him as a utility infielder.

    ———————–

    Yankees are going to likely use Eduardo Nunez as the utility infielder.

  46. blake November 29th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    I think a Lee will sign with the Yanks and Texas will trade for Greinke.

  47. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Blake -

    LOL

    I think Derek’s coming back – so all coments that indicate other are to be taken with more grains of salt than even the most liberal of doctor would approve of.

  48. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Then Varitek called Henry and had a face to face meeting.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Did Varitek take his catcher’s mask off this time?

  49. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    3 years seems long.

    ********

    He is 6 years younger than Jeter and coming off a better season.

  50. ac1 November 29th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Not about their money offer but their trashing to the media. And this is coming from a hard core Red Sox fan.

    __

    of course as a red sox fan you have very little idea what you are talking about. you simply believe everything you read in the press or twitter. just because a reporter says the yankees are bashing jeter doesnt mean they are, just like his camp claims they never asked for 6/150.

    And dont ever compare varitek and jeter. they are in different worlds.

  51. blake November 29th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Chip,

    In that hypothetical situation I would sign Crawford and pursue Drew from the Dbacks…..

  52. Erin November 29th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    Good Lord?has somebody really read Wally Matthews and quoted one of his sources? His only source close to the Yankee front office is the janitor that cleans the executive johns.

    ********************************

    :lol:

  53. ac1 November 29th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    what i would do is work to get rivera’s contract issue out of the way. he wants 2, and i understand they want year to year, but i think rivera has showed no decline, so just give him 2 years. He wants 18 m/ year, they are coming off 15 mil per year. see if they can meet at 2/33. Call it a day and move on to Lee, then come minor bench help.

  54. blake November 29th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    LGY,

    Nice try but I have evaded your trap. Go peddle your snake oil elsewhere :)

  55. comet November 29th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Greetings to a few “friends” out there:

    Erin, MTU, UpSatate Kate, SAS and GB7

    I’m on the side of management for now in the Jeter saga. However I see nothing at all wrong with Jeter trying to get the best possible deal. That’s what negotiations are all about.

    C

  56. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    ac1 November 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    You think someone is going to put more than 3 years and more than 15 m out there for jeter? there are a lot of cheap owners in mlb. i dont see it.

    *************

    Depends on their interpretation of Jeter’s 2010 season. If it’s viewed as a blip, it’s easy to project him as a .300 hitter over the next 4 years or more. If you’re convinced it’s the first sign of sudden, drastic decline, 3 years seems about the maximum risk you would take.

    I’m betting there’s a GM/front office out there who views 2010 as merely an anomaly and they believe Jeter’s got a lot left in the tank. They might offer less than 15 million per season but more years – perhaps 1, 2 or even 3 more years than the Yankees 3 year opener.

  57. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Blake

    :lol: You always think I have ulterior motives.

  58. ac1 November 29th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    there is definitely nothing wrong with wanting to get the max deal and it is his right.

    but then we dont want to hear anymore team first, or winning only crap.

    And know where you are. Sure you can try for 25/year but realistically understand you arent worth that and don’t let your camp say you are insulted by 15 m/year which keeps you the highest paid SS.

    That’s where the Jeter side loses fans.

  59. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    The Yankees didn’t offer him arbitration so a team wouldn’t have to surrender a draft pick for him and still the phones in Casey Close’s office are silent.

    **********

    How do you know that?

    If Close’s phone has been dead silent since the opening offer, why didn’t he/Jeter jump at it by now???

    Are they merely pretending, huffing puffing and bluffing?

    I don’t think they’re amateurs.

  60. West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Does anyone actually have any factual information that would lead one not to trust Wally Matthews? If so, I would like to see the links.

    Or is this just more gratuitous media bashing?

  61. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Afternoon, Comet. As you can plainly see, the board has gone on a Jeter Moritorium. Absolutely no Jeter talk today. Everyone has agreed.

    That’s about to be as factual as saying Canada will have a snowless winter.

  62. Carl November 29th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Comparing Varitek to Jeter?

    Really?

  63. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    christina12 November 29th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Never once did the Red Sox management said anything about Varitek in the media like the Yankees are doing to Jeter. Let me tell you what I think about the Yankees treatment to Jeter. I’m disgusted by them. Not about their money offer but their trashing to the media. And this is coming from a hard core Red Sox fan.

    **********

    Christina,

    C’mon admit it. Your bedroom is covered with Derek Jeter posters.

  64. Erin November 29th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Hi Comet! Hope you had a nice Thanksgiving :)

  65. austinmac November 29th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    The most frustrating aspect of the Jeter status is people who think Jeter should be paid based upon his icon status and the Yankees are abusing him for giving him the only offer he has. He should be paid based upon his market value like every other player.

    I simply would like people to bring Jeter down from Valhalla and expect the Yankees to treat him as a baseball player. It is remarkable people think otherwise.

  66. MConti November 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    How does Derek Jeter deserve anything more than what is on the table? In what reality is 3/45m not being paid handsomely for your services.

    I’ve represented the company I work for better than any other previous employee, but there is no way that they are going to significantly pay more than anyone else for doing my job.

    Derek Jeter has every right to try and get the most money he can, but in the end he’ll either accept the offer made by the Yankees or he will refuse it and move on.

    It would kill me to see Jeter move on, but that decision would be entirely on him. Baseball economics have significantly changed even from A-Rod’s massive deal and in no way, shape or form is that a baseline for what Derek Jeter should be paid.

    As much as it pains me to say it, how do any of Derek Jeter’s numbers compare to Alex Rodriguez? He is coming off a less than stellar season.

    The Yankees current offer is more than fair. Are intangibles and prior World Series wins really worth an extra $10m/yr?

  67. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    This Jeter saga has been going on this board ;onger than it took to find out who shot JR Ewing.

  68. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I think that out of spite for the horrible, awful way the Yankees are treating Derek Jeter – by only offering him $15 per year – all free agents, in a show of solidarity – decide not to sign with the Yankees.

    In fact so outraged by the transgressions of the Yankees, Alex, CC and Tex will abrupty announce their retirements from baseball.

  69. Chase November 29th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    A-Rod enjoying his offseason: http://www.wwtdd.com/wp-conten.....abos_2.jpg

  70. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Carl -

    Why wouldn’t you compare Varitek to Jeter?

    Varitek is to Boston fans what Jeter is to the Yankees.

  71. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    I think too much of the argument that is pro-Derek focuses on what his value has been to the franchise in the past. Really, the conversation should be centered around how much the Yankees are worth right now. When you know your boss is raking in billions, how much is 20 million really?

  72. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Bret -

    When a team makes a formal offer to a player it has to be logged with the league office. From there it gets leaked to various media outlets.

    Also, if Casey Close were getting offers for Jeter’s services it would behoove him to make those offers public since they would represent the leverage Derek so desperately needs if he wants to get more money from the Yankees.

  73. West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    “When you know your boss is raking in billions, how much is 20 million really?”

    …and add to that your significant, unique, face-of-the-franchise role in helping your boss make those billions.

  74. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Shame Spencer November 29th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
    I think too much of the argument that is pro-Derek focuses on what his value has been to the franchise in the past. Really, the conversation should be centered around how much the Yankees are worth right now. When you know your boss is raking in billions, how much is 20 million really?

    ———————

    No one ever turned a profit by spending more than they absolutely had to.

    Cashman took a look around the game, figured on a number and made the offer – until someone comes close to matching that offer why would Brian increase it?

  75. blake November 29th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Can everyone ( in 10 paragraphs or less) please recap their view on the Derek Jeter negotiations…..I’ve gotten confused.

  76. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    Bret -

    When a team makes a formal offer to a player it has to be logged with the league office. From there it gets leaked to various media outlets.

    Also, if Casey Close were getting offers for Jeter’s services it would behoove him to make those offers public since they would represent the leverage Derek so desperately needs if he wants to get more money from the Yankees.

    ********

    You said Close’s phone has been silent which I doubt is the case.

    How do you know 2-3 teams haven’t made serious inquiries for Jeter’s services?

    Why should Close show all his cards before he gets a formal offer?

  77. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    “When you know your boss is raking in billions, how much is 20 million really?”

    …and add to that your significant, unique, face-of-the-franchise role in helping your boss make those billions.

    —————————————-

    The Yankees have had many faces of the franchise – each one of them has left, either on their own or having been pushed out – the franchise survives and continues to thrive.

    If Derek leaves, sure some Yankee fans will be upset, but as long as the team keeps winning they’ll get over it – they’ll turn to Cano or Tex or someone else – just as how when Donnie was forced out fans turned to Paulie and, eventually, Jeter.

  78. yanks61 November 29th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    LGY November 29th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    Yanks61

    Decided to take a cab.
    They are also developing Field FX which will track the fielders. Where they started, how far they moved, how long it took them to get there and such

    Thanks again, LGY. Very interesting.

  79. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Blake:

    Yankee offer is fair. Derek will eventually re-sign with the club; there may be an option year included.

  80. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    WCYF – I don’t agree with your general stance on the subject, mostly because the points you keep making are related to what Jeter has done for the Yankees. I think a stronger argument would be what the Yankees actually have to offer measured against what portion Jeter wants lol.

    The whole argument gets skewed when dealing with MLB and the Yankees especially, though. ALL of the owners are insanely wealthy. MLB is a HUGE business. Its easy for us to see these guys as mercenaries. A lot of people have had fun painting Jeter as greedy and money hungry.. but the Yanks aren’t exactly warm and cuddly. I’m a bit surprised how well they’ve managed to come off in this considering how often everyone is ready to jump at the chance to bash them and their free-for-all spending.

  81. upstate kate November 29th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Hi Comet :)
    any snow yet? Were you happy that Votto won MVP? Way to represent Canada!

  82. West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Jeter is not Donnie.

  83. Carl November 29th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    # Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Carl -

    Why wouldn’t you compare Varitek to Jeter?

    Varitek is to Boston fans what Jeter is to the Yankees.

    Because Varitek was just a good player.

    Jeter has been a HOF player.

    Varitek is what Bernie was to Yankee fans.

    Red Sox fans didn’t care about Varitek when they brought V-Mart in.

  84. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Yanks61 -

    Was hoping you would show yourself again.

    On your question of deadlines for the Jeter negotiations – since the Yankees didn’t offer Derek arbitration there is a date (don’t know what it is off the top of my head) by which the Yankees and Jeter either have to agree to a contract or the two sides have to break off negotiations until March – effectively ending Jeter’s tenure with the Yankees.

    I believe – but don’t quote me on this – that the deadline is sometime around Christmas

  85. Betsy November 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Happy Birthday, Mo!

    SJ and Chip, I completely agree with you.

    I assume Jeter will be back, but then I don’t understimate him. If he gets upset enough, I can see him walking……but I wouldn’t blame the Yankees if that happened anyway.

  86. West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Shame that’s a reasonable post – and I understand the critique of others here. It’s just a perspective I have on Yankee management and who Derek Jeter is. Fans can’t relate to the numbers they are so large, but monopoly money is the currency of major league baseball.

    Management and corporations in general always try to accumulate profits at the expense of workers who helped them make those profits. They pay their employees; the question, and I realize it’s a subjective one, is how much is fair.

  87. blake November 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Chip,

    Thanks….see without that how could I separate you from guys like LGY that want go give Jeter a blank check.

  88. UnKnown November 29th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    That Hip of Arod’s must be feeling just fine, Ha

  89. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    WCYF –

    and if this should sour and Jeter not come back then 10 years from now someone will likely be having this same conversation about Robinson Cano…

    Again – until some other team gets into the mix there’s no reason for the Yankees to up their offer to Jeter.

  90. Betsy November 29th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Yep, I don’t get how that was a source from the FO………I didn’t read it that way at all. Whoever said it was correct, though – Jeter is not dealing in reality.

  91. Shame Spencer November 29th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Chip – I’m not implying its good for a business model. My point is that this is sorta like a pot-kettle situation with the Yankees/media painting Jeter as greedy. Example: Walmart. Walmart does a lot of stuff to keep those prices low that aren’t good for their employees. Those are great business decisions too.

    I’m just pretty shocked the Yanks have come off so much better in this.

  92. austinmac November 29th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    If Jeter gets an offer from another team and he wants to take it, so be it. Players do that every year. If the Yankees spend their money wisely, they can return to a World Series and Jeter will be history, like all the other Yankee greats.

    Players retire and players move on. It is just not nearly the momentous issue many makes it to be. It is bound to happen some day. There will be a new face of the franchise. There always is.

  93. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    So much for randy’s prognosticating about Mo teaming up with Jeter showing his solidarity because Cashman is disrespecting with his tough guy approach him.

    The Yankees’ negotiations with closer Mariano Rivera are progressing much smoother than the rancor-filled struggle with Derek Jeter.

    “Night and day,” said one baseball official with knowledge of both talks.

    While the Yankees and Jeter are reportedly tens of millions of dollars apart, the Yankees and Rivera are said to be closer on financial terms. A second official with knowledge of the Rivera talks said the reliever is looking for a raise from the $15 million he received last season, but the Yankees view his demands as much more reasonable than Jeter’s.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5862998

  94. blake November 29th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    3/21 for Juan Uribe.

  95. Betsy November 29th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    LGY, I always knew these negotiations would go smoothly….but your right. I also think that it’s hogwash to suggest (as I’ve seen) that Lee won’t sign here because he is watching the Jeter show and thinks the Yankees are a mess. He may very well not sign here, but it won’t be because of that.

  96. Betsy November 29th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Players have to do what’s right for themselves and their families and they realize that their teammates/best friends have to do what they think is right. Mo has nothing to do with Jeter.

  97. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    By some accounts here, Andy and Mariano should be asking for their share of the increase in value to the franchise due to their participation in it’s success over the last 10+ years.

    I can see it now….

    Mariano: Hey, without me you wouldn’t have won those WS championships. Pay me 25M/year for 4 years.

    Andy: You know what…I’m not retiring. Instead, as this is my last contract, you need to pay me for all my past accomplishments and my share in the teams valuation. Lets say 1 year 18.5M…you know, AJ money. After all, you couldn’t have done it without me too…

  98. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Whoever said that in the FO is an idiot IMO. Jeter’s been silent in this pretty much beyond casey’s “baffling” comment. They need to work this out behind closed doors and not have stupid media leaks like this. You tell the face of the franchise (who has done NOTHING to humiliate this organization in 15 yrs when he sure has hell could have considering all the fame he had at the age of 22) you need a “reality check”. Terrible.

  99. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    DaSaint -

    and if you think this is bad – wait until next year when the Yankees don’t even make a token offer to retain Posada if he says he wants to continue playing.

  100. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    “Players have to do what’s right for themselves and their families and they realize that their teammates/best friends have to do what they think is right. Mo has nothing to do with Jeter.”

    ————————

    Exactly Betsy.

    We had people like GB spouting this nonsense like the Yankees are going to lose out on Mo, Lee, AND Andy if things continue this way with Jeter.

    Just irrational fear filled narratives.

  101. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    blake -

    awful contract.

    So many bad deals handed out already this year and when all those chickens come home to roost someone will blame the Yankees for them.

  102. Chambliss November 29th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    When you look at past and current contracts of Giambi, Matsui, Damon, Posada, Bernie, Tex, CC, AJ, A-Rod, Mo, Pavano and Kei Igawa, you can see why Jeter wants a lot more than fair market value for his next and perhaps last contract. Why does Jeter think that they should they pay him so much more than fair market value? Because they can afford to do so. With Pavano and Igawa, they flushed a lot of money down the hopper. With A-Rod, they way overpaid for him after he opted out. If they can toss money around the way that they have, they can certainly overpay for a HOF shortstop who is the face of the team, regardless of what he did last year.

  103. 4time November 29th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    “Can everyone ( in 10 paragraphs or less) please recap their view on the Derek Jeter negotiations…..I’ve gotten confused.”

    Hal and Levine went public, talking about how it is a ‘business’ and ‘baseball’ contract and articulated that in nice terms. Even though they swore privacy, they publicly talked about the negotiation, their view of it, and seemed to try and temper enthusiasm and send Jeter a message. Nothing they said was bad at all, yet in subtle terms, they laid the groundwork for the negotiation and made sure to go public, not once, but twice. Close never made any public comments, Yanks made two. As harmless as they were (though they did have implicit messages), they still violated their own code.

    Then some anonymous comments came from Matthews, Sherman, and Heyman. Close, realizing that it is not a “baseball” negotiation only, fired back at the public and leaked comments from the Yanks. Also reacted to the leaked terms of the deal. Cashman fired back in a harsh way. Jeter’s people started doing their talking through his trainer, his friends, etc. Then Cash suggests they had had multiple offers. Hank comes out with his buffoon-ish comments.

    Then Yahoo comes out with a report of Jeter asking for an outrageous contract. Close shoots that down. Another report from the reliable NY Times comes out with a lesser, but still exorbitant demand, that no one has shot down.

    Then Heyman says they will raise the offer. George King and Matthews both report today that is false. Matthews reveals another harsh quote from a “source” today.

    Basically, we are right where we started, except with more shots taken by eachother and presumably, less goodwill on both sides.

  104. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Shame -

    The Yankees come off better than you would think in this because it is hard to argue against them when they’re offering Derek so much more than any other team would or is.

    They are offering him more years than a 36-year old SS should get

    They are offering to make him the highest paid middle infielder in the game; despite the fact that his abilities no longer warrant that kind of salary.

    And then the reported offers from Jeter’s camp are so out of the realm of reality that as soon as they were leaked Casey Close got on the phone to whomever he could and lowered them.

  105. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Juan Uribe is 6 years younger than Jeter and had a better walk year.

    Yet Jeter is being offered a little more than TWICE as much than Uribe signed for.

    And we have people on here saying that offer is disrespectful, not enough, or there is another team out there that will come close to 3/45, and even pass it in years!

  106. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Chambliss November 29th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    When you look at past and current contracts of Giambi, Matsui, Damon, Posada, Bernie, Tex, CC, AJ, A-Rod, Mo, Pavano and Kei Igawa, you can see why Jeter wants a lot more than fair market value for his next and perhaps last contract. Why does Jeter think that they should they pay him so much more than fair market value? Because they can afford to do so. With Pavano and Igawa, they flushed a lot of money down the hopper. With A-Rod, they way overpaid for him after he opted out. If they can toss money around the way that they have, they can certainly overpay for a HOF shortstop who is the face of the team, regardless of what he did last year.

    ———————————–

    So Jeter’s argument (in your opinion) should be: You’ve made so many stupid mistakes, make one more?

    The Yankees are overpaying Jeter (or at least offering to do so).

  107. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    LGY November 29th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    Juan Uribe is 6 years younger than Jeter and had a better walk year.

    Yet Jeter is being offered a little more than TWICE as much than Uribe signed for.

    And we have people on here saying that offer is disrespectful, not enough, or there is another team out there that will come close to 3/45, and even pass it in years!

    —————————–

    Well said.

    Heck – Jhonny Peralta had a better season than Derek (barely) and is 8 years younger and just signed a 2 year deal at a shade under 6 mil per.

  108. 108 stitches November 29th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Derek Jeter has received a full share of postseason winnings in every year of his career except for 2008. That by itself is a piece of change he wouldn’t have received with any other team.
    Unless specified in a contract, agents don’t share postseason winnings as part of their commission.

  109. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Chip – I hear you, but they’ll probably offer Posada a contract as DH for no more than 5-8M, depending on his performance as DH this year.

  110. Yanks78 November 29th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    “Whoever said that in the FO is an idiot”

    Why? Cashman basically said the same thing by telling Jeter to test the market. By telling him to test the market, Cash is expressing how confident he is in the Yankees offer and now Jeter will realize his true value if he does go on the market, and realize how good the Yankees offer is.

    As harsh as that quote was from the “source”, telling him to go on the market is basically pushing him to get back to reality.

    You can be much sterner in anonymous quotes than you can be publicly. It is why they are used so often to send messages.

  111. pat November 29th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    “Whoever said that in the FO is an idiot ”

    Comprehension. It didn’t say Yankee FO. It said baseball executive. They reside in 30 front offices and the central office as well.

  112. blake November 29th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Chip,

    Isn’t it always the Yankees fault.

  113. Betsy November 29th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    LGY, I mean it would be cutting their noses to spite their faces. Mo really wants to pitch again……he’s going to sit or take his talents elsewhere out of protest? Andy – same thing (well,. we don’t know that he definitely wants to pitch, but let’s assume he does). They won’t be happy sitting out the season or being on another team………whatever satisfaction they might get out of sticking it to the Yankees would dissipate almost as soon as the season started (if not before)

  114. West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    WCYF – and if this should sour and Jeter not come back then 10 years from now someone will likely be having this same conversation about Robinson Cano…

    Again – until some other team gets into the mix there’s no reason for the Yankees to up their offer to Jeter.

    ******************

    Cano is not and will never be Derek Jeter. It is not solely about on-field performance, there are intangibles involved. Kobe Bryant is according to many as good a player as Michael Jordan was. He will never be Michael Jordan.

  115. Betsy November 29th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    I’ll still take Jeter over Uribe any day of the week……….I’m not going to make him out to be a crappy player or even average. I still don’t think he’s done.

  116. Carl November 29th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Ryan Zimmerman

    Troy Tulowitzki

    Robinson Cano

    Mark Teixeira

    Make it happen Cash.

  117. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    DaSaint007 November 29th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    Chip – I hear you, but they’ll probably offer Posada a contract as DH for no more than 5-8M, depending on his performance as DH this year.

    ————–

    No shot – they’ll be thrilled to free up that DH spot for either Derek or Alex after this year.

  118. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    How can anyone compare Derek Jeter and Juan Uribe with a straight face?

    You can do it if you cherry pick one year but if you look at the complete picture of the complete player, that comparison is the epitome of absurdity.

    If anything, Juan Uribe getting 3 years at 7 million per season inflates the value of shortstops.

    We’re talking about a guy with a career .730 OPS.

  119. pat November 29th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Grandy has spoken……

    cgrand14 thinks the media should stop using a “source close to the negotiations” so often.

  120. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Uribe: 3/21MM –

    Uribe, 31, hit .248/.310/.440 with 24 home runs in 575 plate appearances for the Giants this year, adding a pair of postseason home runs. He mainly played shortstop, but also logged time at third base and second base.
    ————————–

    Jeter: ‘I’m better than Uribe! Maybe not in the power department, but I’m a better hitter, better fielder, and I’m Derek Jeter. I’m Mr. Clutch. You’ve got to pay me double his salary!’

  121. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    “You can do it if you cherry pick one year but if you look at the complete picture of the complete player, that comparison is the epitome of absurdity.”

    ——————————-

    How do you cherry pick a walk year when talking about FA???

  122. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Jeter is not a better fielder than Uribe.

  123. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    If you want the Yankees to base Jeter’s contract on a single season you’ve got another thing coming…

    Really, truly disconnected from reality.

  124. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    “If you want the Yankees to base Jeter’s contract on a single season you’ve got another thing coming…

    Really, truly disconnected from reality.”

    ———————————–

    It is not about one year.

    It is about one year+him being 37+what you expect from him going forward.

    If it is disconnected from reality then why are the Yankees staying firm at 3/45 or close to that?

    Where are these ridiculous Pete Rose offers in reality?

  125. blake November 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Amen Grandy….sources familiar with the teams thinking are always great.

  126. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    WCYF – and if this should sour and Jeter not come back then 10 years from now someone will likely be having this same conversation about Robinson Cano…

    Again – until some other team gets into the mix there’s no reason for the Yankees to up their offer to Jeter.

    ******************

    Cano is not and will never be Derek Jeter. It is not solely about on-field performance, there are intangibles involved. Kobe Bryant is according to many as good a player as Michael Jordan was. He will never be Michael Jordan.

    —————————

    Well now you’re branching into the apples and oranges part of the show.

    Michael Jordan is one of the greatest players in the history of the NBA; Kobe Bryant – while also a hall of fame player – is often a dispicable human being (Colorado for example)

    In terms of ability on the field Derek isn’t to baseball what Michael is to the NBA – Derek’s not in the class with Ruth, Mays, not even with Pujols or Alex or Manny in terms of on the field ability.

    This is not meant as a knock against Derek

    Derek’s value to the Yankees has never been about his ability in quantifiable terms – it was more about his intangibles. Put Derek on the M’s and Alex on the Yankees and Alex would likely be the guy with the rings, not Derek.

    Jeter may have outlasted all of them but in terms of skill, Alex, Nomar, Tejada – were all much better players than Derek.

    Jeter is the Yankee captain, a first ballot hall of famer – all of those things are true. But Derek has also been very well compensated for his contributions to the team both on and off the field. In fact if you look at Derek’s contributions on the field I don’t think you’ll find a way to argue that he’s been overcompensated.

    Look at what Derek has actually done – he’s been a tremendous player, a great ambassador of the game – but he’s not worth the 19 mil a year he’s been paid over the last decade…he didn’t deserve to be one of the game’s top five wage earners. And he doesn’t deserve to be the highest paid SS in the game now…but he will be. Why? Because the Yankees respect what he has meant to the club.

    3 years at $15 mil per is an investment with diminshing returns. Derek Jeter’s not a $15 mil/year player now – he certainly won’t be 3 years from now but the Yankees are willing to bite that bullet. Why? Because he’s Derek Jeter.

  127. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    pat November 29th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    Grandy has spoken……

    cgrand14 thinks the media should stop using a “source close to the negotiations” so often.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Obviously, Granderson got that idea by reading some of the early posts on here when “baffled” and “he’s a FA and welcome to see what’s out there” appeared in print.

  128. ET November 29th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Uribe is “only” a .730 OPS guy?

    Based off last year, we should count our lucky stars if Jeter “only” hit that OPS for the life of his next deal.

    He’s 37. Can’t pay him for what he was in his prime. Right now, he is comparable to Juan Uribe.

  129. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    I mean reality? Really?

    You have been talking all day about Jeter playing for 6 more years and that 4,000 hits is a realistic milestone for him.

  130. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Blake,

    Interesting comment by Granderson.

  131. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Betsy -

    No one is saying Derek’s done – and no one is saying that Derek’s not a better player than Juan Uribe or Jhonny Peralta. The comment is simply that Juan Uribe and Jhonny Peralta had better years than did Derek Jeter.

    My furtherance of that comment is that, despite having a worse statistical year and being signficantly older than either of those players the Yankees are still willing to pay Jeter more than double or triple what those other two players are getting out of respect for what he has meant and does mean to this ball club.

  132. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    ET November 29th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    Uribe is “only” a .730 OPS guy?

    Based off last year, we should count our lucky stars if Jeter “only” hit that OPS for the life of his next deal.
    ***********

    :lol:

    ok

  133. yanks61 November 29th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Chip November 29th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    Yanks61 -

    Was hoping you would show yourself again

    ———————————————

    Thanks for that Chip! I had to step out to take the puppy for a walk.

  134. TD213 November 29th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    “The baseball industry source said the Yankees have provided Jeter and Close with detailed statistical and market analysis to support their contract offer, including comparisons between Jeter and other shortstops and middle infielders throughout baseball.”

    That is probably what Close was “baffled” about, that they would compare Jeter to other middle infielders, as if he is a normal free agent and not an icon.

  135. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    I agree with Granderson –

    until the source has a name; in my opinion you can’t trust it.

  136. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    ok if it wasnt the yankees FO I take it back. If it was, I think it was tactless to say it. I will repeat again that Jeter has done nothing to disrespect/embarass the organization in 15 years. This is the first major “problem” they are having. I think both sides should have enough repsect for eachother to keep this private. JMHO.

    Also, Curtis granderson is the man.

  137. Bronx Jeers November 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    I vow to give any ticket money I would normally give to the Yankees directly to Jeter if he gives me some of his seats.

    I have no problem keeping Minka company and protecting her from would be spit-assassins.

  138. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    TD213 November 29th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    “The baseball industry source said the Yankees have provided Jeter and Close with detailed statistical and market analysis to support their contract offer, including comparisons between Jeter and other shortstops and middle infielders throughout baseball.”

    That is probably what Close was “baffled” about, that they would compare Jeter to other middle infielders, as if he is a normal free agent and not an icon.

    ————————-

    Well if that’s what happened I think it was more of a reference point for Derek as in:

    This is what you would be worth if you were just a nameless 36-year old SS. This is what you’re worth to us because you’re Derek Jeter.

  139. Erin November 29th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    All right Grandy Man! :)

  140. BoJo November 29th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Tom in N.J. November 29th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Mariano and Vin Scully born on the same day. 2 timeless baseball icons.
    ==================
    Same day? Wow!

    Either Mo drinks blood or VIn aged too quickly.

    :-)

  141. randy l. November 29th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    “So much for randy’s prognosticating about Mo teaming up with Jeter showing his solidarity because Cashman is disrespecting with his tough guy approach him.”

    nice spinning. i think the yankees are willing to pay rivera 34 million for two years simply because they are at odds with jeter.

    34 million is a lot for someone 41 and 42.

    they didn’t pay him that much before when he was younger and had better years.

    what’s the logic of going that high now?

    i doubt the yankees would be offering it if they weren’t publicly fighting with jeter.

  142. Erin November 29th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Bronx Jeers November 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    I vow to give any ticket money I would normally give to the Yankees directly to Jeter if he gives me some of his seats.

    I have no problem keeping Minka company and protecting her from would be spit-assassins.

    ***************************
    LOL

    I bet you wouldn’t ;)

  143. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    “The baseball industry source said the Yankees have provided Jeter and Close with detailed statistical and market analysis to support their contract offer, including comparisons between Jeter and other shortstops and middle infielders throughout baseball.”

    —————————-

    Close is not doing his job unless he responded…

    Pete.Rose.4,000.hits.

    Now that would be a dose of reality!!! :mad:

  144. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    randy,

    Can you share your source for those figures?

  145. Yanksgal07 November 29th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    The reason I don’t read articles by all the so called sportwriters is their use of so many “unnamed” sources and people close to the respective parties not to be named. It’s easy to write anything when it can’t be verified through ‘known’ sources. In reality I truly don’t believe any of them really know what’s going on and never will till the deal is done. Sports journalism is a complete joke …just like so many bloggers who think they know it all too.

    Go Yankees 2011 !!!

  146. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    LGY polluting the waters of LOHUD with more chum.

  147. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Sources familar with Yankee thinking are looking at signing Shawn Jeter, Johnny Jeter, Clyde Jeter, Cleo Jeter, William Jeter and Jeter Lee. Announcements are imminent.

  148. Mell November 29th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    “cgrand14 thinks the media should stop using a “source close to the negotiations” so often.”

    Then again the “source” shoudn’t talk to the media unless he or she has the fortitude to put their name on their statements.

  149. ET November 29th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    No, they are going that high because Rivera is still the best at what he does and has all the leverage.

    If MO went on the market, he would get $15 million, easy. They are going that high because it is his market value and he has earned a pay raise with his performance. The last 3 years were arguably the 3 best years of his career, age notwithstanding.

    MO has a ton of leverage. Jeter has none.

  150. Betsy November 29th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Chip, you know I agree with the Yankees stance on Jeter..

  151. Chambliss November 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Chip: I do not think that the Yankees would be making a mistake by overpaying, even grossly overpaying Jeter. Igawa and Pavano were mistakes and hopefully the Yankees will avoid making those mistakes in the future.

  152. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    ok if it wasnt the yankees FO I take it back. If it was, I think it was tactless to say it. I will repeat again that Jeter has done nothing to disrespect/embarass the organization in 15 years. This is the first major “problem” they are having. I think both sides should have enough repsect for eachother to keep this private. JMHO.

    ———————

    Let’s not paint Derek as a saint. There have been lots of times when he has used his influence to quietly twist the knife when it suited him:

    1. Publically saying he would not reach out to Jason Giambi when the Yankees were courting him because he wanted the team to keep Tino. Right or wrong – Derek immediately made Giambi a villain.

    2. Not diffusing the “feud” with A-Rod and instead letting it fester when Alex came over here making him an instant target of Yankee fan hatred

    3. Refusing to reach out to CC Sabathia after the 2008 season saying “I don’t feel like I need to sell people on the Yankees” No Derek you don’t, but a recruiting call costs you nothing and the Yankees were asking you to do it.

    4. Publically supporting Giambi when he was dealing with steroid issues but letting Alex twist.

    5. Quietly ripping George when the Boss questioned Derek’s nightlife habits.

    I’m not trying to paint Jeter as a bad guy – but he’s no saint either. He’s always done what’s best for Derek Jeter, and I don’t begrudge him that. But again, when he was a young free agent he used his leverage to get every dime he could from the Yankees – he didn’t take a hometown discount, didn’t play for free…now that he lacks leverage why are the Yankees supposed to be altruistic with him?

  153. randy l. November 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    ” Derek’s not in the class with Ruth, Mays, not even with Pujols or Alex or Manny in terms of on the field ability.”

    alex and manny are both admitted steroid users.

    neither one of them is going to be in the hall of fame.

    jeter is.

  154. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    ET,

    Jeter has no leverage?

    :lol:

    On what planet, ET?

  155. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    nice spinning. i think the yankees are willing to pay rivera 34 million for two years simply because they are at odds with jeter.

    $34 million spread over 2 years is $17 mil per year – a $2 mil/year raise over what he made last year when he has still been one of, if not the, most effective relief pitchers in all of baseball.

    Mariano would have no trouble getting that on the open market.

  156. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    randy l. November 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    ” Derek’s not in the class with Ruth, Mays, not even with Pujols or Alex or Manny in terms of on the field ability.”

    alex and manny are both admitted steroid users.

    neither one of them is going to be in the hall of fame.

    jeter is.

    ******

    Agree.

    No way in he11 the HOF lets in guys who are caught.

    If Pete Rose were merely a suspected gambler, he’d be in.

  157. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    randy l. November 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    ” Derek’s not in the class with Ruth, Mays, not even with Pujols or Alex or Manny in terms of on the field ability.”

    alex and manny are both admitted steroid users.

    neither one of them is going to be in the hall of fame.

    You don’t know that; a lot can change between now and when those two are up for election

  158. SJ44 November 29th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Randy,

    You can’t be serious can you?

    Do you really believe the Yankees offer to Rivera is contingent to Jeter?

    Nothing can be further from the truth.

    Mariano Rivera is still the best relief pitcher in baseball. Derek Jeter is no longer the best SS in the game.

    Yet, the Yankees have still made him an offer that makes him the highest paid SS in the game.

    Some spiteful” move by the Yankees.

  159. Bronx Jeers November 29th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    alex and manny are both admitted steroid users.

    ——————————————————————-

    Well, Alex is an admitted steroid user.

    Manny just had fertility issues.

  160. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Bret -

    The point wasn’t about the Hall of Fame – though I still believe both Alex and Manny (along with Bonds and Roger) will eventually get in.

    The point is that Alex, Pujols, Manny – are three guys who are possibly three of the four best right handed hitters that we’ll see in our lifetimes (Miggy Cabrera being the other)

    Alex would have obliterated all records at SS had he remained there.

    These are guys who, based on physical ability on the field, belong in a conversation with Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant – not Derek

  161. sander November 29th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Word is now that the Yankees are going to increase their offer to Jeter. Why in the world are the Yankees bidding against themselves in the Jeter sweepstakes?

  162. randy l. November 29th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....BHeadlines

    “Rivera likely will get a slight bump to $16 or $17 million. The question that still needs to be fully ironed out is if Rivera will receive one or two years.”

    how’s that lgy?

    if it’s two years, it’s possibly 34 million.

  163. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    SJ -

    As much as I respect and root for Derek – he was never the best SS in the game.

  164. JCPD November 29th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Yanksgal07 November 29th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    The reason I don’t read articles by all the so called sportwriters is their use of so many “unnamed” sources and people close to the respective parties not to be named. It’s easy to write anything when it can’t be verified through ‘known’ sources. In reality I truly don’t believe any of them really know what’s going on and never will till the deal is done. Sports journalism is a complete joke …just like so many bloggers who think they know it all too.

    —————————————————————————————–

    We have a winner. EXACTLY!!!

  165. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Chambliss November 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    Chip: I do not think that the Yankees would be making a mistake by overpaying, even grossly overpaying Jeter. Igawa and Pavano were mistakes and hopefully the Yankees will avoid making those mistakes in the future.

    —————————

    The Yankees agree with you. They’re offering to grossly overpay Derek at 3 years $15 mil per. The problem is that it’s still not as much as Derek (reportedly) wants.

  166. upstate kate November 29th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    soooooo tired of all the Jeter talk, especially the Jeter bashing…makes me long for the days of sabremetric fights and the endless Joba discussions.
    I really wish both sides would give a little and resolve this…neither side wins by dragging it thru the court of public opinion

  167. Carl November 29th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    # randy l. November 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    ” Derek’s not in the class with Ruth, Mays, not even with Pujols or Alex or Manny in terms of on the field ability.”

    alex and manny are both admitted steroid users.

    neither one of them is going to be in the hall of fame.

    jeter is.

    Mr. Clean needs to stop asking for steroid induced contract money then.

  168. austinmac November 29th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Chambliss,

    You think it is okay for the Yankees to grossly overpay Jeter? Wow. Great argument there. Let’s just encourage the Yankees to be really stupid in all of there dealings. Why not?

  169. Mell November 29th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “Mariano would have no trouble getting that on the open market”

    You know what? He probably would have trouble getting that. Other teams simply don’t pay their closers the way the Yankees pay their’s. I don’t think anyone would have much trouble going 2 years with him, but probably at $12M, $13M tops.

  170. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    If Pete Rose were merely a suspected gambler, he’d be in.

    *****

    I guess you haven’t noticed how different and more strict baseball treats gambling than steroid use.

  171. Erin November 29th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    sander November 29th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    Word is now that the Yankees are going to increase their offer to Jeter. Why in the world are the Yankees bidding against themselves in the Jeter sweepstakes?

    ***************************
    if it will put an end to this seemingly endless saga, I’m all for it. LOL

    Now Jeter just has to take Jerry’s advice to George: “whatever the offer is, just TAKE IT!”

  172. Yank 97 November 29th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Brett,

    but what leverage does he have if another team doesn’t jump in?

    He can only play the “icon” card for so long before he realizes the well is dry and he has to take what he can get.

    As more FAs come off the board and less money is available as we head towards the New Year, Jeter’s non-existence leverage shrinks even more.

    Yankees don’t have to raise their offer by a dime and it will be the highest offer out there by 40%. Close isin’t even pulling the famous Boras “mystery” team either, nor has he floated it would take “less” from anyone.

    What reason do they have for raising their offer?

  173. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Mell -

    I don’t know. I think a team like the Angels would rather pay Mo 2 years $17 mil per than sign Raf Soriano to a deal like the one the Mets gave K-Rod.

  174. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    The worst thing that can happen to Derek is that he plays this out too long and they reach the deadline without a deal.

    If the Yankees can’t negotiate with him until March because of arbitration rules then instead of looking at $15 mil a year Derek is going to be looking at offers half the size of the one currently on the table.

  175. Eroc November 29th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    The funny part is that Jeter actually LOST leverage today with the Uribe deal considering he signed with the Dodgers, a team people figure would be one of the few that interests Jeter if he does leave here.

  176. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Randy

    What do you want to wager that Month doesn’t get 2 guar years?

  177. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    ok if it wasnt the yankees FO I take it back. If it was, I think it was tactless to say it. I will repeat again that Jeter has done nothing to disrespect/embarass the organization in 15 years. This is the first major “problem” they are having. I think both sides should have enough repsect for eachother to keep this private. JMHO.

    ———————

    Let’s not paint Derek as a saint. There have been lots of times when he has used his influence to quietly twist the knife when it suited him:

    1. Publically saying he would not reach out to Jason Giambi when the Yankees were courting him because he wanted the team to keep Tino. Right or wrong – Derek immediately made Giambi a villain.

    2. Not diffusing the “feud” with A-Rod and instead letting it fester when Alex came over here making him an instant target of Yankee fan hatred

    3. Refusing to reach out to CC Sabathia after the 2008 season saying “I don’t feel like I need to sell people on the Yankees” No Derek you don’t, but a recruiting call costs you nothing and the Yankees were asking you to do it.

    4. Publically supporting Giambi when he was dealing with steroid issues but letting Alex twist.

    5. Quietly ripping George when the Boss questioned Derek’s nightlife habits.

    I’m not trying to paint Jeter as a bad guy – but he’s no saint either. He’s always done what’s best for Derek Jeter, and I don’t begrudge him that. But again, when he was a young free agent he used his leverage to get every dime he could from the Yankees – he didn’t take a hometown discount, didn’t play for free…now that he lacks leverage why are the Yankees supposed to be altruistic with him?

    ___________________________________________________________________
    Chip, where did I say Jeter was a saint? In my first post i said they both should be respecting eachother by keeping this quiet ( which is my main beef in all of this). Also, none of what you just mentioned has anything to do with embarassing the organization. I was thinking more along the lines of steriod scandals, drugs, booze, fights, etc.

    1) Tino was derek’s good friend, understandable.
    2) We have NO idea what really went on with jeter and alex’s friendship.
    3) I think thats kind of a reach. Did cashman ask derek to talk to CC and derek flat out said No?
    4) He let alex twist? Really, he was front and center at the press conference and said he supported his teammate IIRC. Too much is made of this alex/derek thing. Anyone who watched games these past few years can see that they are friendly.
    5) OMG he said some bad about the Boss? Cause Steinbrenner never said anything rash?

    Basically, if these are the 5 worst things he’s done in 15 years, then we are very very lucky dont you think? :) No one is perfect.

  178. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    The only teams other than the Yankees that make even a little bit of sense for Derek are San Francisco and St. Louis.

    They are both contending teams with holes at SS and some money to spend.

  179. Bret The Hitman November 29th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    I hope the Yankees keep Derek Jeter throughout his career but I want to see him perform closer to his career norms.

    I can’t fathom the stance where actual living breathing Yankees fans don’t care if he walks because they’re convinced the last years of his career will be nothing like the rest.

    Those fans I guess are too fixated on 2010.

  180. randy l. November 29th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    “You can’t be serious can you?

    Do you really believe the Yankees offer to Rivera is contingent to Jeter?”

    i see it all the time when someone disrespects someone and then acts nice to other people to prove they were right with the first disagreement they were in.

  181. Yank 97 November 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Close also has to convince teams that Jeter has legit interest in playing for them, not just using their presence as leverage to get a higher deal from the Yankees.

    I’d imagine most teams will see indulging Jeter as a waste of time.

  182. randy l. November 29th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    “What do you want to wager that Month doesn’t get 2 guar years?”

    lgy-

    hey, you’re the one that’s yapping about mo signing.

    talk to me when he signs.

  183. TD213 November 29th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    If SF has $15 million lying around somewhere, wouldn’t they be wise to allot that towards a middle-of-the-order hitter they desperately need, like a Dunn or Werth, rather than a 37 yr old SS with a .710 OPS, who’ll be lucky to hit 5 HRs in AT&T?

  184. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Yank 97 November 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Close also has to convince teams that Jeter has legit interest in playing for them, not just using their presence as leverage to get a higher deal from the Yankees.

    I’d imagine most teams will see indulging Jeter as a waste of time.

    ——————-

    agreed

  185. Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    randy l. November 29th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    “You can’t be serious can you?

    Do you really believe the Yankees offer to Rivera is contingent to Jeter?”

    i see it all the time when someone disrespects someone and then acts nice to other people to prove they were right with the first disagreement they were in.

    ——————–

    Randy – I respect you and your right to your opinion; but man you’ve gone ’round the bend with this one.

  186. yanks61 November 29th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    * Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm *

    Terrific post, Chip, as were those by LGY and Austicmac earlier.

    I really don’t see how the Yanks offer is anything but generous and incredibly respectful of his “status.” Jeter/Close should also bear in mind:

    - Babe Ruth (BABE RUTH!) was traded after a better year than Derek just had. Turns out the Yank’s mgmt. at that time got it right, too.

    - Joe Mc Carthy, one of the most successful managers ever, resigned – in effect was forced out by conflict with mgmt. (He went to the Bosox – don’t see Jeter doing that.)

    - The Yanks and Bosox had a handshake deal to trade Joe D and Teddy Ballgame – their 2 great Icons – before the owners had second thoughts.

    - Ty Cobb was traded at the end of his career

    - Willie Mays was traded at the end of his career.

    - Hank Aaron was traded at the end of his career.

    I’m sure we can find other examples, but it seems to me to prove, once again, that NOBODY is bigger than their team and that teams have been making these kind of decisions since the beginning of the game. Heck, Connie Mack basically traded away the bulk of two different championship teams. It’s business, always has been.

    Derek Jeter is being treated with far more generosity and respect than a lot of other far greater players.

  187. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Chip November 29th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    Yank 97 November 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Close also has to convince teams that Jeter has legit interest in playing for them, not just using their presence as leverage to get a higher deal from the Yankees.

    I’d imagine most teams will see indulging Jeter as a waste of time.

    ——————-

    agreed
    ____________________________________________
    Completely agree. I think jeter’s mr. yankee legacy is working against him in the leverage dept here.

  188. MorningPerson November 29th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    upstate kate -

    I so agree with you.

    I was out and just checked in to see if there was any news. I guess as long as there isn’t, all there is to do is for people to keep making the same points. I’m guilty, too, I guess.

    I went out Xmas tree shopping. I was really disappointed. I went to the best Christmas shoppe in the area and there was only one tree that I liked and it’s a little too wide. Plus, for our main tree, we prefer the colored lights and there weren’t enough lights on the pre-lit trees. There weren’t a lot of options. We could go with a shorter tree, but we’ have to build a pedestal for it. Then I went to Target and got thoroughly demoralized. Their Christmas area in the store was teensy tiny, and their trees were a joke.

    I came home and re-measured. I might have to see if there is an on-line option. At least I got a price for comparison…

    My mom & dad are coming up from Florida on December 16th, so I need to get everything done before they get here. We never put up a real tree that early and I don’t want to be doing it with my mom here.

    :(

  189. Erin November 29th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    New Post: One shortstop comes off the board

    :arrow:

  190. Mell November 29th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    “Those fans I guess are too fixated on 2010.”

    Or 2009.

    Remember 2008 was no great shakes either (.770 OPS, 102 OPS+). Can’t lose sight of the fact that the man had his two worst offensive seasons in his mid 30′s at a position that can takes it toll on you over time.

  191. mick November 29th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    If he gets upset enough, I can see him walking……but I wouldn’t blame the Yankees if that happened anyway.
    ===================================================
    It’s a long walk to Japan.

  192. randy l. November 29th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    chip-

    you might want to look back on the blog when i’ve taken the minority position and how things turned out.

    i’ve always been a contrarian , but when i get riled about up about something like this, there’s a reason.

    it wasn’t long after cashman bernie dumped bernie and torre that the yanks failed to make the playoffs.

    cashman rescued the situation by spending more in a winter than anyone in the history of the game.

    the bernie karma was bad enough, but cashman won’t be able to rescue things if he plays hardball with jeter.

    there’s not enough money in the yankee universe to un-ring that bell.

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