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Tino Martinez added to Hall of Fame ballot

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Former Yankees first baseman Tino Martinez is among the first-timers on this year’s Hall of Fame ballot, but he’ll certainly not be the focus.

Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar are back after near-misses last year. Edgar Martinez will once again be a measuring stick for designated hitters getting into Cooperstown. Among the first timers, Jeff Bagwell and Larry Walker might have the best chances for election (Bagwell especially).

And steroids will, of course, come front and center with Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmeiro and the lingering issue of Mark McGwire.

This year’s list isn’t especially heavy with Yankees. Don Mattingly is still on the ballot, with a very outspoken corner of the baseball world pleading for his induction. Tino Martinez was a good part of great teams, but probably not a Hall of Famer. Kevin Brown, Al Leiter and Tim Raines spent the bulk of their careers playing elsewhere.

I’m a long way from having a vote, which is good because I have a hard time making up my mind about some of these guys. I’ve gone back and forth about Blyleven, McGwire, Lee Smith, Edgar Martinez and Alan Trammell. Larken, Bagwell and Alomar jump out as players I would definitely vote for, and I’m starting to come around on Raines.

Of course, by the time the election results are announced, I will have probably changed my mind 20 times.

The complete ballot, via the AP: Roberto Alomar, Carlos Baerga, Jeff Bagwell, Harold Baines, Bert Blyleven, Bret Boone, Kevin Brown, John Franco, Juan Gonzalez, Marquis Grissom, Lenny Harris, Bobby Higginson, Charles Johnson, Barry Larkin, Al Leiter, Edgar Martinez, Tino Martinez, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Raul Mondesi, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, John Olerud, Rafael Palmeiro, Dave Parker, Tim Raines, Kirk Rueter, Benito Santiago, Lee Smith, B.J. Surhoff, Alan Trammell, Larry Walker.

 
 

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80 Responses to “Tino Martinez added to Hall of Fame ballot”

  1. murphydog November 29th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Is that as a player or broadcaster :)

  2. TD213 November 29th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Alomar, Bagwell, Blyleven, Brown, Franco, Gonzalez, Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Mattingly, McGriff, McGwire, Morris, Palmeiro, Raines, Smith, Surhoff, Trammell, and Walker

    Should get the nod…

  3. Betsy November 29th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Probably not a HOFer? I loved Tino, but he’s not close to being a HOFer.

  4. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    I’m betting (sorry Pete Rose) that the steroid users will wait about 10 years and those with the numbers will then be in. By that time, the complete list and the medical facts of the performance improvements they make may be known.

  5. ADam November 29th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Bagwell, Larkin, McGriff, Martinez, McGwire should be the class… Time to let McGwire in, sure he’s a liar and a cheat, but he helped turn baseball around… would be wrong for baseball to turn in him to make themselves seem cleaner

  6. ADam November 29th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Edgar that is

  7. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Brown, Franco, Mattingly and Surhoff have almost zero chance and about 6 others with only a slim chance.

  8. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    If Edgar Martinez gets in, writers had better have good reasons handy for keeping Ron Santo, Jim Kaat, Al Oliver, Harold Baines and Dave Parker out.

  9. blake November 29th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Alomar, Larkin, and Blelevin should get in.

  10. PacoDooley November 29th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Alomar should have been a first ballot-er. Edgar is an interesting case – the DH award is namef after him, and he is widely regarded as the best DH ever, so that ought to make him an HOFer, unless we don’t see the DH as a legit part of the game…

  11. BJK November 29th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    It’s a shame Donnie Baseball’s body betrayed him. A couple of more years at his peak and he would’ve been a no-brainer AND he could’ve had a ring.

  12. blake November 29th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    I didn’t feel like any of Mcgriff, Bagwell, Martinez, or Palmero were HOF level players when I watched them play and personally I don’t think Mcgwire was either even without the steroid stuff. Palmero was the best player of that bunch but the positive steroid test will keep him out for awhile. Larkin and Alomar are a different story and it was a travesty with Alomar in particular that he wasn’t voted in last year.

  13. Bronx Jeers November 29th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Come on Chad. We know you want McGuire in there. :wink:

    Actually Mac hitting 70 isn’t any more bizarre than Jose Bautista hitting 54 if you think about it.

    And Mac got something like 1,600+ hits. Over 1/3 of them were dingers. That’s wild. When he hit 70 had had more HR’s than singles.

  14. murphydog November 29th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    “GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    I’m betting (sorry Pete Rose) that the steroid users will wait about 10 years and those with the numbers will then be in. By that time, the complete list and the medical facts of the performance improvements they make may be known.”

    I’m betting the same way. I’m not a stat head by any means, but having been in a business where we used stats and samples to measure business performance, I can tell you that anything can be measured. (The value of the measure of course depends on the soundness of the analytical method; garbage in, garbage out still applies).

    Theoretically, it should be possible to track the known PED users’ performance and analyze their “before and after performance” and then throw that up against all-time MLB performance as well as good historical player comps to determine approximately how much real impact PEDs had on the juicers’ numbers. The more players who out themselves, the better the data pool and thus the final value of such analysis. Once they have this analysis done then MLB, MLBPA and/or BBWAA can fairly estimate the “discount rate” to use in evaluating careers tainted by PEDs for HOF consideration.

    MLB should encourage and protect those who self reporting as a way of getting to the real degree of performance enhancement that occurred, healing the wounds and more fairly coming to terms with what really happened. Instead, right now we have an environment encouraging those who were not caught to stay quiet, forcing a few players who were, IMO, unfairly outed by Mitchell to pay the price for everybody, GMs, skippers, owners, media etc. It’s absurd.

    MLB needs a PED Truth and Reconciliation project. Let’s get honest and get on with it.

  15. Tom in N.J. November 29th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Fred McGriff is an underrated player.

    Dude hit 493 home runs.

  16. Erin November 29th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    BloggingBombers Swisher can’t see Jeter in another uniform http://bit.ly/dOsPYg

  17. blake November 29th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Mcgriff was a very good player…..he wasn’t an all time great player which is what the HOF should be for. Mcwire was about as one dimensional as it gets and he had help with that one dimension…..

  18. SJ44 November 29th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    22 million a year for Jeter?

    That would be the worst contract in the history of baseball.

    Not happenIng.

  19. tyanksfan36 November 29th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    I love that on the news they did a congratulations for Tino Martinez and Fred Mcgriff for being on the HOF ballot and showed video of Tino in a Yankee uniform and not a Tampa uniform.

  20. MorningPerson November 29th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    I hate posting at the end of a thread! Repost:

    What exactly IS Jeter’s position in these contract negotiations? Somewhere along the line, that’s gotten somewhat “confused,” to say the least.

    Is it to be the highest paid player ever? Is it to stay with the Yankees as long as Alex Rodriguez? Is it to get “his take” of Yankee profits that he feels entitled to? I’m not really sure anymore. Frankly, aside from hearing that Close said Jeter should get his asking price “because he’s Derek Jeter,” I don’t recall anything near a statement about Jeter’s position in these negotiations.

    I am a Derek Jeter fan. But I am also an open-minded individual who will actually process what both sides want. Seems to me though that the Yankees have a lot more to think about than Derek Jeter, while Derek Jeter ONLY has to consider Derek Jeter. And the Yankees have tried to balance what the “real” market value of Jeter is and what he is worth to them, and against all that, trying to maintain a budget that allows them NOT to pay excessive LUXURY TAX which enables the rest of the teams in the league to compete against them.

    Plus, the more I thought about things, the more I realized that Jeter has been paid for 10 years above and beyond his “true market value” – his salary has ALWAYS included his “Derek-Jeter-ness” and to pretend otherwise is quite ingenuous.

    Ideally, I would like it if the Yankees did 3/$60 million. But I figure they’ll go a 4th year because he’s Derek Jeter and the PR fallout won’t be worth it in the long run.

    I’ve changed my stance a little since before the negotiations. One thing someone said struck me, and I don’t remember who it was, but basically it said that there are other players in the league who have maintained as clean a record as Jeter has, who are exemplary players as well. Also, Jeter did not win 5 rings all by himself. He has benefitted from being surrounded by a team that every year he’s played has been playoff quality. Every player on the Yankees for the last 16 years has benefitted in the same way. The Yankees front office has spared no expense to ensure that there is a playoff quality team every year. Does that count for nothing????

  21. blake November 29th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    What actually is the worst contract ever…..? Mike Hampton, Barry Zito, Carl Pavano, Kei Igawa. I think when you consider how it hamstrung the franchise…..it might be the Hampton deal. Anybody?

  22. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Murph, my opinion is that at the high side performance increased by 10% and possibly as low as 5% or even less. Based on that and only using the years that can be proven, I think they could figure it out. Like everyone else, I just pulled that out of my….notebook.

  23. Brian November 29th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Betsy,

    In response to your post in the previous thread, not only would Jeter open himself up to more booing by moving to another team, but he might also find another team would find it a lot easier to move him down in the order; sit him against certain pitchers; pinch hit for him, etc.

    Leaving the Yankees behind also means he’ll be leaving any residual feelings of loyalty from the manager and front office and he might find his playing time affected more quickly in a new situation than he would with the Yankees.

  24. ac1 November 29th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    so the Giants have contacted Jeter?

  25. murphydog November 29th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    GB7: Sounds reasonable as far as the math. The writers probably already have devised a homespun, rule of thumb, figure for the amount of enhancement. But I still want the rest of the players to be able to come out, or be dragged out if necessary. The Mitchell Report finished nothing. Too bad neither MLBPA nor MLB have any interest in revisiting the problem.

  26. murphydog November 29th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    # ac1 November 29th, 2010 at 6:32 pm: so the Giants have contacted Jeter?

    Apparently:

    http://www.prorumors.com/2010/.....ters-agent

  27. West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    The Yankees and Jeter need to get creative and get a deal done. That will take compromise.

    Another solution would be to offer Jeter a three year deal at $17 million a year, totaling $51 million. With, an agreement that at the end of the three years he would receive a retirement/severance lump sum payment of $15 million dollars for an effective package total of $66 million.

  28. MichiganYankee November 29th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    What’s the difference between Larkin and Trammell? Both outstanding 2-way shortstops with leadership abilities who played their entire careers with single teams. I say they both belong (along with Blyleven, Raines and Alomar).

  29. blake November 29th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Giants have contacted Jeter but expect him to stay with the Yankees…..shocking.

    http://Www.mlbtraderumors.com

  30. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    I agree with you Murph about the Mitchell Report. It only made the others hide deeper into the woodwork, especially after the Rodriguez situation with Roberts, but mainly with Selig’s threats of punishment after first saying that no players would be punished that tested from 2003 back.

  31. MorningPerson November 29th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Sounds like they’re just kicking the tires.

  32. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Any bets that this is the Giants next shortstop?

    “http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/rays-moving-closer-to-trading-bartlett.html”

  33. blake November 29th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    GB7,

    yup….probably where he’s headed.

  34. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Blake, I just can’t see Tampa trading him to Baltimore. Tampa may be in a fight with them to stay in 4th place. They are losing a lot of players and only 1 or maybe 2 replacements.

  35. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    WCYF

    What do you think Derek Jeters pure baseball market value is?

    Forget the name, history, etc. Solely as a baseball player what do you estimate his is worth?

  36. Yogi Mantle November 29th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Overall, I think the Yankees with the reported offer for Jeter, will come out looking far better in this than Jeter would. I understand that taking a cut in pay in tough to take, but its not like he is taking that much of a cut to justify going elsewhere where he won’t get as much as the Yankees offered.

    Jeter is looking a bit like Damon did last year, not liking the offer, taking less, and now what? Jeter wouldn’t be in quite the same position, but it isn’t that far from it.

    When players start losing their effectiveness their pay decreases. With Jeter’s batting average dipping so much lower than his career average and no reported injuries (though that doesn’t mean there weren’t some), it is cause to think he is on the down slide.

    I don’t want to see Jeter leaving the Yankees. I would like to see some deal worked out and all of this stuff come to an end.

    Back to the original post… I can understand a player not getting in on the first ballot for HOF, but when they go years and don’t get in, yet on the final year suddenly they are good enough just seems stupid to me. They didn’t do anything to improve their performance in baseball. If they aren’t good enough to get in within the first 3 years then they really shouldn’t get in. If its about a snubbing from an era of media that didn’t like them, then the veteran committee can correct it.

  37. blake November 29th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Gb,

    Yea if they can ship him to the NL then im sure they will and the Giants have the opening

  38. murphydog November 29th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    GB7:

    I had a long talk maybe a year and a half ago with an attorney acquaintance who claims to have a relationship with Orza. (He says he and Orza and several other lawyers have dinner at Rao’s and play baseball trivia. Holy Moses. Boring!)

    Anyway, I shared my pugnacious nature with this lawyer and told him that in my opinion MLBPA should have done more to protect the players, maybe file Unfair Labor Practices against MLB for the Mitchell Report. The players never agreed to the report, it might have been seen as a unilateral change in the collective bargaining agreement, working conditions, etc…

    The lawyer entertained me for a while and then enlightened me. The lawyer asked: “Why would the Union want anybody else looking deeper into this thing?”

    That’s why I’ll never amount to anything more than a local criminal court hack. I tend to think one side has to be the honorable one.

  39. blake November 29th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Murph,

    Lol, hey nothing wrong with believing in people ;)

  40. blake November 29th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Murph,

    Lol, hey nothing wrong with believing in people ;)

  41. ac1 November 29th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    rangers making a play for pettitte? hahahahahaha.

    pettitte has been clear, yankees or retire.

  42. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Great sidebar, Murph. That’s the extent of my lawyer speak. I’m sure they all wanted to bury this thing, but the one puzzling thing is why there was no lawsuits by some of the retired players against the US Department of Justice and US Government, say a class action suit. Some of these guys were not stars, much less multi-million dollar superstars.

  43. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    I will fight Nolan Ryan. Seriously dude stay away from Andy. ;)

  44. Giuseppe Franco November 29th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    GB,

    I may be in the minority on this issue but despite the Rays losing a lot of players this offseason, I still believe they will finish in 3rd place next season.

    Seems like we’ve heard each of the last 5 years that Toronto is going to scare everyone and take the next step to a very strong ball club and they never do. Granted, they did play very well this season but I see a decline upcoming for 2011.

    The Rays still have a very good core and their pitching should still remain a strength.

    Just my two cents – whatever that’s worth.

    This topic sure beats beating that Jeter negotiations dead horse. I got tired of that crap three weeks ago.

  45. murphydog November 29th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    blake:

    I’m either like Don Quixote or the guy in the joke who finds what he thinks is a leprechaun while in the airport lavatory.

    Thinking he’s got the little guy dead to rights and is thus going to get the pot of gold, the guy allows the “leprechaun” to visit upon him a brutal indignity in order to qualify for the prize. As the guy is being brutalized, the “leprechaun” asks the guy how old he is. The guy grunts out over his pain that he’s 50.

    The “leprechaun” pauses momentarily in his brutality and remarks: “So you’re 50 years old and you still believe in leprechauns?”

    It’s a family blog. Believe me; it’s a funny joke when fully fleshed out.

  46. Giuseppe Franco November 29th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    # NYY626 – Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    I will fight Nolan Ryan. Seriously dude stay away from Andy. ;)

    ————–

    Just remember what happened to Robin Ventura when he tried that. Didn’t work out too well.

  47. TD213 November 29th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Rangers president Nolan Ryan recently contacted Andy Pettitte to try and persuade the left-hander to return to his home state, according to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News.

  48. yankee21 November 29th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Tino was a solid 1B, a worthy heir to Mattingly,, but no way in H a HOF.

  49. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    GF, that’s a lot of firepower, defense and speed to lose. They have starting pitching, but, unless Upton grows up, they can’t afford to have him in the lineup. Still not sold on Zobrist as a ML starting bat. Rodriguez does ok in spurts but I gotta see him over a full season. That bullpen is a wreck, so there will need to be a lot of complete games a blowouts.

  50. Giuseppe Franco November 29th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    If that Pettitte rumor is true, it may be yet another sign that Ryan doesn’t have a ton of confidence in resigning Lee.

    Or it could mean absolutely nothing outside of leaving all options open.

  51. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 29th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    # NYY626 – Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    I will fight Nolan Ryan. Seriously dude stay away from Andy.

    ————–

    Just remember what happened to Robin Ventura when he tried that. Didn’t work out too well.
    _______________________________________________________
    Robin Ventura wasnt an angry female ;)

  52. yankee21 November 29th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    GF,

    I know your 7.11 post was directed to GB, but I also believe TB also finishes third. I think they will trade some of that deep Pitching for a bat, and that will keep them ahead of improving TOR and BAL. I can see 4 teams in that division at least 10 games above .500 and BAL winning 75 games. What a division!

    Additionally I know Madden gets a lot of crap here, but I believe he knows what he’s doing as well as any manager in the game…

  53. murphydog November 29th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    “GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:05 pm: Great sidebar, Murph. That’s the extent of my lawyer speak. I’m sure they all wanted to bury this thing, but the one puzzling thing is why there was no lawsuits by some of the retired players against the US Department of Justice and US Government, say a class action suit. Some of these guys were not stars, much less multi-million dollar superstars.”

    At the end of the day, probably the same reason: too much to lose.

    Plus I’m not sure that Justice or the Federal Government were viable targets. It’s hard to defame public figures, impossible to do so with the “truth.” The Union-Management labor forum was probably more appropriate.

    One of my biggest beefs was that a putative criminal was given favorable treatment in his prosecution in exchange for cooperating in a private, internal corporate investigation. How should that count against his criminal activity? When I was a prosecutor, informants only got credit for assisting in ferreting out other crimes. Then again I was never good enough to be a Fed. Feds are better at everything. Just ask them.

  54. yankee21 November 29th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    It also could be Ryan’s way of jacking up the price on NYY of re-signing Pettitte.

  55. Yogi Mantle November 29th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    GF, the Rays seem to be positioned to have a decent team for a while yet to come, but losing a number of their core players that brought them this far is going to hurt them.

    They have some good pitching, but their bullpen was a weakness. They did great this past season, but again, it looks to be emptying out.

    A young team like they will end up with can get out of the gate looking really good, but without some of the veterans those teams end up “burning out” a bit too early. Plus, it takes a while for teams to really jell together. With losing some of the key players there will be times when that becomes a factor.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Blue Jays pass them this year. I don’t think either will be a push over. The East will still be the beast to play in.

  56. West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    LGY November 29th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    WCYF – What do you think Derek Jeters pure baseball market value is? Forget the name, history, etc. Solely as a baseball player what do you estimate his is worth?

    ************

    Whatever someone is willing to offer, and since we don’t know if there have been any offers yet, that’s a purely hypothetical question. I have no idea, you can’t compare two players without taking into account who they are.

  57. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    I can see Ryan being afraid of a hurricane named NYY626. You may have to fight Ruthie Ryan. If you need a second to take your place, I’m not busy right now.

  58. murphydog November 29th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 29th, 2010 at 7:14 pm: “If that Pettitte rumor is true, it may be yet another sign that Ryan doesn’t have a ton of confidence in resigning Lee. Or it could mean absolutely nothing outside of leaving all options open.”

    It serves notice that there’s a new “player” coming out; high rolling Nolan Ryan, the next George Steinbrenner ;)

  59. Giuseppe Franco November 29th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    GB,

    No doubt TB is losing a ton. They had issues scoring runs this season and those issues are most assuredly going to be exacerbated next year losing those sticks – and legs. On paper, Toronto will probably look like the stronger team come Opening Day.

    Perhaps I’m just more of a believer in the Rays overachieving in 2011 than the Jays meeting or exceeding expectations given their recent history.

    Bautista and Wells won’t duplicate their 2010 numbers, but Lind and Hill should rebound.

  60. tyanksfan36 November 29th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    I would be so mad if Andy went to Texas. Seriously, I would rather him back next year than have Jeter back(in regard to sentimental reasons only)

  61. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Interesting info and insight in to the life of a criminal and the way justice works, Murph.

    Not meaning that you or lawyers are criminals, Murph.

  62. Giuseppe Franco November 29th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    # NYY626 – Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Giuseppe Franco November 29th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    # NYY626 – Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    I will fight Nolan Ryan. Seriously dude stay away from Andy.

    ————–

    Just remember what happened to Robin Ventura when he tried that. Didn’t work out too well.
    _______________________________________________________
    Robin Ventura wasnt an angry female ;)

    ———-

    No, but he did have an angry female first name.

  63. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    “Whatever someone is willing to offer, and since we don’t know if there have been any offers yet, that’s a purely hypothetical question. I have no idea, you can’t compare two players without taking into account who they are.”

    ————————–

    With basically no facts whatsoever you have made numerous estimates based on what Jeter is “worth” to the franchise off the field and what he should be paid as a result of that.

    But now, with numerous facts based on Derek Jeter’s baseball ability, you can’t even estimate what he is worth on the field?

  64. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    How about a horse like Ryan having the first name of Lynn? Maybe that’s why he was so amped up on the mound. It’s as bad as being a boy named Sue.

  65. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 29th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    I can see Ryan being afraid of a hurricane named NYY626. You may have to fight Ruthie Ryan. If you need a second to take your place, I’m not busy right now.
    _____________________________________
    GB – i’ll take all the help I can get!

    Guiseppe franco – very true :)

    In all seriousness Andy isnt going anywhere.

  66. Betsy November 29th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Brian, that’s what I meant by another team being more ruthless with him. The Yankees would give him more leeway if he struggles than another team.

  67. West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    LGY – What I have done is give my opinion on what he is worth to the Yankees based in large part on his contribution in growing the value of the brand to $1.6 billion dollars while he was the face of the franchise.

    I never gave estimates on what he is worth, what I did is present a number of possible compromise solutions (thanks Mick and Keith) including a severance bonus.

  68. murphydog November 29th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Giuseppe Franco:

    Wells might have another good year, but Bautista will be seeing a lot of balls high and tight, cutting in at his knees and sinking in on his hands.

    I’m not advocating mayhem, just predicting Baseball’s adjustments to a 30 year old who never hit more than 16 HRs a year in his career who suddenly hits HRs like he’s Mickey Mantle.

  69. Tom in N.J. November 29th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Bill Parcells’ first name is Duane.

  70. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    OK, you sponge me off, give me a drink of water and I’ll wrestle Ruth Ryan.

  71. West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    sic – I never gave estimates what he is worth as a player…

  72. murphydog November 29th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    “GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:23 pm: Interesting info and insight in to the life of a criminal and the way justice works, Murph. Not meaning that you or lawyers are criminals, Murph.”

    It’s all good, GB.

  73. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    WCYF,

    But you really have no idea (and I don’t mean this in a mean way or something) how much he contributed to that.

    It feels like I am pulling teeth here. Based on your fervency for Jeter in this negotiations I am just wondering what you think his contributions on the field are worth.

    It is next to impossible for us to discuss his off the field value because we close to no facts to worth with, but on the field you can actually discuss.

  74. LGY November 29th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    It is just your personal estimate and what you think his numbers are worth.

    We do it all the time on here. It is not a big deal.

  75. RhapsodyInBlue November 29th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Scary stuff. Big Nolan bellying up to the bar to offer Andy 2 M for 2011.

  76. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Oh, oh!!! The Mets are trying to sreal the back pages.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....young.html

  77. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    ***steal***

  78. West Coast Yankee Fan November 29th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    LGY – I have time and time again written long posts making my case for Jeter’s position. It’s an opinion. You cannot measure a players worth factually all the time and I am not sure you can ever do it.

  79. igotid88 November 29th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    mattingly

  80. SmellHall November 29th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Bagwell was and is an obvious roids guy. Just because some of these guys haven’t been “caught” doesn’t make it any less clear. He was not a great power hitter, then he was a great power hitter, then his body fell apart once he was off them…come on…


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