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Greinke might still be in play for the Yankees

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 30, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It still seems like a Plan B, but according to Yahoo!’s Jeff Passan, Royals ace Zack Greinke is not necessarily opposed to pitching in New York.

Greinke has a no-trade clause that could block a trade to the Yankees, but so did Lance Berkman, and Berkman still wound up in pinstripes. Speculation has been heavy that Greinke would block a trade to New York out of a desire to stay out of the spotlight, but Passan’s source suggests that’s not a significant issue.

“I wouldn’t put it past him to go to New York,” the source said. “I don’t think he’d rule out anybody. He says he likes New York. Especially because they’re winners. He wants to go to a team that wins.”

Greinke’s past anxiety issues have caused many to question his ability to perform in New York, and those might be the source of questions about his willingness to accept a trade to the Yankees. But the fact is, he’s one of the few viable Cliff Lee alternatives that might be available should Lee sign with a team other than the Yankees.

The free agent market doesn’t offer another front-line starter, and it’s becoming rare for a pitching talent like Greinke to hit the trade market. Acquiring him would cost a ton in Yankees prospects — Passan suggests a package similar to what the Rangers got for Mark Teixeira back in 2007 — but as a fallback plan, Greinke seems as legitimate as any.

Lee will naturally remain the primarily pitching target, but a Greinke contingency plan might not be as far off the table as originally believed.

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107 Responses to “Greinke might still be in play for the Yankees”

  1. Bret The Hitman November 30th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    WOOOOOOOOOOO

    GO GET EM CASHMONEY!!!

    WOOOOT WOOOT WOOOOT

  2. Bret The Hitman November 30th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    And you HOSERS that we were done discussing Greinke to death.

    I’M-JUST-GETTING-WARMED-UP!!!

    :lol:

  3. UnKnown November 30th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Chad don’t post that. Cause here we go again now with these comments on Greinke. He would fold like an accordion in NY.

  4. NumberOnePositivePosterEver November 30th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Nothing like having someone diagnosed with bipolar pitching for the Yankees in Fenway. I’m sure that will go well, I bet this becomes Cash’s Javy acquisition this year.

    My thoughts, stay away from the crazies….they are crazy for a reason, so don’t be surprised when he goes totally nuts.

  5. NYY fan in NH November 30th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Let’s say Greinke is available and goes in a trade to NY
    What package would KC take? Probably 4 players or more.
    Greinke’s salary is around 13 million per year. So now the Yankees have actually put themselves in for Carl Crawford. I’m sure Gardner might be a part of a KC package IMO.

  6. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    No indication in this piece that any discussions between the Yankees and Royals are going on.

  7. Eroc November 30th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Rather go with Nova or even Mitre over bringing Greinke here

  8. 98NYY November 30th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Why not both? We have enough arms in the minors to trade for a good starting pitcher…if Greinky does want to come let’s go after Soriano!

  9. blake November 30th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Brett,
    don’t get your hopes up….

  10. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    I think the vulnerability of the aging left side of the infield is a bigger problem than the rotation.

  11. blake November 30th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Getting Greinke would take something similar to.what it would take for Upton most likely…..too much

  12. Betsy November 30th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Ugh, not this again.

    This “source” is undoubtedly someone in the Royals FO who wants to get the Yankees in play so he’s “revealing” that Greinke wouldn’t have any issues with NY

    I won’t get into his performance, which except for 1 year has not been unbelievable. I still don’t want him for reasons that have been discussed before and I’m not interested in the least in trading a Tex-like package. That’s lunacy.

  13. robix November 30th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    I feel like this was the conversation Albert Brooks had with someone before writing the first part of The Scout.

  14. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Gardner, Joba, Romine and Brackman.

  15. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    You can’t trade Romine until you know Montero can stick behind the plate.

  16. blake November 30th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    The Royals don’t need.a catching prospect…..they would want Montero’s plus more.

  17. DaSaint007 November 30th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    I’d rather pay Lee the cash and call it a day, rather than give up a boatload of talent for someone who’s already making 13M/year AND who may or may not wilt under the bright lights of the big city.

    I’ll pass.

  18. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    You have Posada and Cervelli and Sanchez who might be the best of the bunch working his way up. I’d go for it, Greinke is an excellent pitcher.

  19. blake November 30th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Monteros bat plus more.

  20. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    You can’t trade Romine until you know Montero can stick behind the plate.

    It’s not a guarantee that Romine can stick behind the plate….

  21. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Blake if they insisted on Montero, I wouldn’t do it.

  22. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    “It’s not a guarantee that Romine can stick behind the plate….”

    Yes, it’s a complimentary point. I wouldn’t trade Montero or Romine right now.

  23. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Yes, it’s a complimentary point. I wouldn’t trade Montero or Romine right now.

    The Yankee organization has enough depth at catcher to withstand the loss of Romine. Sanchez and Murphy in particular look promising.

  24. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    “You have Posada and Cervelli and Sanchez who might be the best of the bunch working his way up. I’d go for it, Greinke is an excellent pitcher.”

    Posada appears to be done behind the plate.

    Cervelli stinks.

    When Sanchez is ready, they can move Montero or Romine. That’s a ways away.

  25. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Christ. Sanchez wouldn’t be ready for 4 more years. He has 40 pro ball games under his belt.

  26. blake November 30th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    They don’t have to trade Greinke now so they are going to want a boatload…..if Lee stays in Texas and Andy retires then maybe you have to consider going down that road….but not otherwise.

  27. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    “The Yankee organization has enough depth at catcher to withstand the loss of Romine. Sanchez and Murphy in particular look promising.”

    Who’s catching in 2011 or even 2012?

    It almost certainly won’t be Sanchez or Murphy.

  28. pat November 30th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Grandy keeps up on NYC happenings in the off season….

    cgrand14 Cashman as a flying elf? This may warrant a special trip to Stamford, CT on Sunday! http://fb.me/GzitwDsZ

  29. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 30th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I have no idea why people would be excited about a guy with a history of mental problems possibly coming to pitch on the world’s biggest baseball stage. Makes no sense whatsoever. It won’t happen nor should it. If Javy can’t pitch for us, there’s no way Zach can.

  30. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Who’s catching in 2011 or even 2012?

    It almost certainly won’t be Sanchez or Murphy.

    Well obviously.

    They could get by with Posada and Cervelli in 2011 but it looks like they are going to start Montero and give him the year there. 2012? Who knows. It isn’t going to be Romine.

    Honestly, I’m down on Romine right now and I would definitely be in favor of trading him while he still retains some value. I think his value as a prospect will plummet in 2011.

  31. MTU November 30th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Moot point since we’re getting Clifford and Andy will be back.

    :)

  32. pat November 30th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal Jeter-Close meeting confirmed. First reported by @KenDavidoff. Question sure to be discussed: Would Jeter talk to other clubs? #Yankees #MLB

    If Page Six is to be believed, they had dinner together in Miami on Saturday night so I’d be surprised if that discussion hadn’t already taken place.

  33. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    They’re talking of moving Murphy to the outfield for several reason…not the least of which, he’s not that good behind the plate.

  34. pat November 30th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Jeter Christmas e-card Ouch!

    http://www.someecards.com/chri.....ason-gifts

  35. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    “Well obviously.”

    That’s why I think it was obvious that Sanchez and Murphy aren’t relevant to this discussion.

    “They could get by with Posada and Cervelli in 2011 but it looks like they are going to start Montero and give him the year there. 2012? Who knows. It isn’t going to be Romine.”

    Cash has said they don’t want to rely on Posada primarily as a catcher. He also hasn’t ruled out Romine for this season.

    Cervelli may not be a MLer.

    “Honestly, I’m down on Romine right now and I would definitely be in favor of trading him while he still retains some value. I think his value as a prospect will plummet in 2011.”

    I’m still open to his development. As I said, I would not trade him until I know more about Montero’s ML catching ability.

  36. Betsy November 30th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Jeter should go talk to other teams……….I believe Cash was being genuine when he suggested that.

  37. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Rich,

    Yes that’s what Cash said, that’s not what I said.

    Montero will start in 2011. Saying Romine might be the starter was like saying Mitre or Gaudin could be the fifth starter last year. It’s basically a complete lie.

    I would trade Romine now. I don’t think he is a major league catcher so Montero’s status doesn’t effect what I’d do with Romine at all.

  38. Betsy November 30th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Wow, people are low:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....aVUxRKs2MI

    MONTREAL — Someone broke into the car of Pat Burns’ widow within hours of his funeral, Montreal police said Tuesday.

    Police said the thieves would have known whose belongings they were stealing when they ransacked Line Burns’ car, taking about 30 autographed hockey sweaters from Burns’ personal collection.

    “They went through his stuff,” said Constable Anie Lemieux of the Montreal police, noting Burns’ wallet was in the car.

    “The person who left with the shirts and everything knows that this is Pat Burns’ stuff.”

    Burns, who coached the New Jersey Devils to the 2003 Stanley Cup title, died Nov. 19 after a long battle with cancer at age 58.

  39. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    If NYYs go after a front line player, It’ll include Romine and Nova plus more.

  40. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    I am a big believer in pitching as a cure for all that ails you. Just conceptually, if you had a chance, and I know it probably isn’t realistic, to stick Lee and Greinke in your rotation with Sabathia and Hughes for the next five years. I wouldn’t worry much at all who my catcher was. You figure that out.

  41. Eroc November 30th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    “I would trade Romine now. I don’t think he is a major league catcher so Montero’s status doesn’t effect what I’d do with Romine at all.”

    Agree

  42. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    NYYs aren’t going to have a $85 mil a year rotation.

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Memo to Cashman. Be careful what you wish for. Other teams who might be interested in Jeter would probably want some assurance from Close that if they topped the Yankees offer they aren’t wasting their time.

  44. BX33 November 30th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    “If NYYs go after a front line player, It’ll include Romine and Nova plus more.”

    Hardly an exorbitant to pay.

    A middle-rotation starter and a solid hitter who might not even stick at catcher? If you can get any top player for that, you do it.

  45. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Patrick

    OK, but since Cash is the decision maker, I try to make my assessments by working off what he defines as within the possible.

    I disagree about the Gaudin/Mitre comparison. They stink. Romine has significant value.

    I don’t want to risk turning an organizational strength into a potential weakness, at least in the short- to mid-term, when the biggest vulnerability on this team is the age of Posada, Jeter, and A-Rod.

  46. blake November 30th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    If were wishing and trading away lots of value….I think id rather have Upton and his contact than Greinke and his.

  47. Rich in NJ November 30th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    “If were wishing and trading away lots of value….I think id rather have Upton and his contact than Greinke and his.”

    Me too. Pitchers are too fragile, and the offense has some vulnerabilities without some bounce back years. We have the Killer B’s coming along, and they will sign Lee. Grienke isn’t worth the price, nor pressing need.

  48. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    KC will ask as much for Greinke as ‘Zona’s asking for Upton. Too much.

    Likely to add Pettitte and Lee. Pettitte retires after 2011 and the rotation is strong enough to have a rookie as the #5.

  49. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    middle-rotation starter and a solid hitter who might not even stick at catcher? If you can get any top player for that, you do it.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    what part of “plus” is confusing? It’ll take a lot more than those two. Try at least 3 of them being pitchers.

  50. blake November 30th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Rich,
    Yup….

  51. Giuseppe Franco November 30th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    # Laura – I Bleed Blue November 30th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I have no idea why people would be excited about a guy with a history of mental problems possibly coming to pitch on the world’s biggest baseball stage. Makes no sense whatsoever. It won’t happen nor should it. If Javy can’t pitch for us, there’s no way Zach can.

    ————

    It’s often a big mistake to tell someone they are incapable of doing something. People overcome challenges everyday. I’m living proof of it.

    Now that’s not intended to mean that I think the Yanks should trade for Greinke. Regardless of his past issues, the guy is extremely talented and it would take a very significant haul to get him.

    The Yanks have to develop some kind of Plan B. This only becomes an option if Lee doesn’t sign with the Yanks and almost all indications are that he will do so.

    Chances are good that we’ll never know what they’re Plan B is.

  52. blake November 30th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    It’s just awesome that Jamie Moyer is having TJ surgery so that he can pitch in 2012…unreal.

  53. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Rich,

    That’s fine, I still believe that Romine will end up being a not so good player. Even if he does end up as a quality MLB player, right now he’s so far away from being a starting C on a championship team it’s ludicrous that Cashman suggests he could be the starter. As ludicrous as suggesting MItre/Gaudin could have been the fifth starter.

    I believe that if you trade Romine you aren’t really doing much to the catching situation because in my opinion, Romine isn’t going to stick at catcher and his bat might not even stick in the majors.

    Until we agree on what Romine is, it’s kind of pointless to continue this discussion. We both have vastly differing views on Romine as a player so it’s silly to talk about what the Yankees should do with him.

  54. RayVT November 30th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    The Yanks did their homework & made Jeter an offer. Close did his job by trying to get more years & more dollars afterall it is his job & commission too! Negotiations always start on the fringes. If the initial offer isn’t low enough to make the person blink then its too high! The key is to ballpark the offer to allow for negotiation and a deal will be made. I believe Jeter wants more years & as much money as he could get. I expect the 3 yrs/$15M will end up being 4 yrs/$16M to $18M.

    I have opinions, but I trust SJ’s knowledge! LOL!

  55. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Greinke does not have mental problems. He had anxiety issues in the past.

  56. pat November 30th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Tweeted like a CFer secure with his job :smile:

    cgrand14 I wonder if this is a sneak preview of how Brian Cashman will look (and hopefully dance) on Monday? http://fb.me/HwUSix8R

  57. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Greinke does not have mental problems. He had anxiety issues in the past.

    Anxiety issues is a mental problem… and it doesn’t just go away.

  58. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Ray, good evening. hope all is well with you and Mrs. Ray.

    I have a few opinions of my own, and one of these days, I may finally express a few of mine.

  59. Crawdaddy November 30th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    “Memo to Cashman. Be careful what you wish for. Other teams who might be interested in Jeter would probably want some assurance from Close that if they topped the Yankees offer they aren’t wasting their time.”

    Unless somebody pays Jeter significantly more money than the 3/45M offer, Jeter isn’t going anywhere unless he’s a complete idiot that allowed emotions to cloud his judgement.

  60. blake November 30th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    The whole anxiety thing really wouldn’t stop me from.trading for him….the price tag and looming free agency would though. If this was Felix Hernandez then iwf

  61. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Apparently, Jeter has yet to make a formal request to the Yanks this off season on a contract, according to Bluster Only.

  62. clownthrowindown November 30th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Killer B’s shouldn’t be counted on. Remember when Joba was going to be an ace with Hughes right behind him and Kennedy at the back end? Result so far is a mid rotation starter, a 6th inning guy and a trade piece.

    I doubt the B’s are the future anymore than those three ended up. Not that Joba/Phil/Kennedy didn’t (don’t) have value…I just wouldn’t pass on someone proven if they ask for a prospect.

    And no one who thinks Jeter should get paid more than 3/45 can argue the Yankees need prospects because of payroll.

  63. blake November 30th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Interupted myself…..if this was Felix Hernadndez then maybe its a different story but Im.not sure Greinke is on that level.

  64. pat November 30th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    BobKlap Yankees say next move is Jeter’s. Waiting on Lee, too. RT @KenDavidoff: Casey Close meeting with Jeter in Florida to mull things over.

  65. austinmac November 30th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    West Coast,

    I agree Close would have to tell another club they are willing to move in the terms are right. Then, he would see between those two teams who will pay the most.

    What I disagree with is that is a bad thing. Jeter has that right and the Yankees have the right to set limits.

    He will likely return, but if he does not it is another change in the ever changing sports world. It may not even be a bad thing for the team long term. None of us can know.

  66. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    The whole anxiety thing really wouldn’t stop me from.trading for him….the price tag and looming free agency would though. If this was Felix Hernadndez then maybe its a different story but Im.not sure Greinke is on that level.

    Yes, agreed 100%

  67. Betsy November 30th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Lee has the entire baseball word in his grasp, lol. Everyone is waiting for him to make his proclamation that he will start accepting offers……..

    In any case, he’s going to see a bunch of teams first, so while I think the Yanks will have an offer to him in short order, I don’t think this will be resolved anytime soon

  68. RayVT November 30th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Hello GB! All is well! I am not on here enough these days to carry a good on a conversation! I enjoy your additions!

    Are you doing okay?

  69. Betsy November 30th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    If what Klapisch says is true, then the Yanks are going to hold firm to their 3/45 offer …………certainly until Close gets realistic

  70. randy l. November 30th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    gb7-

    interesting that none of the true believers commented on this link you provided:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  71. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Ray, doing pretty fair. Thanks for asking. When you lose the wait after the holidays and finish being santa’s helper, you’ll have to return and help me keep Tandy, maine and MTU in check.

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    austinmac – I agree I don’t think it’s a bad thing. I’m just saying if Cashman wants to play that poker game he should be prepared for Jeter to have played his last game in a Yankee uniform. Maybe he’s ok with that.

    I still think after some angst they will work it out. But, you never know.

  73. yankee21 November 30th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    No thanks to Grienke unless KC GM has a brain dump and wants to move him for good, not great prospects. He is a very good pitcher who has had one excellent year. Not a guy I mortgage the farm for.

  74. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Randt, I saw that rundown on icons and their value and thought that it was an interesting read. I didn’t read a lot into the other stuff but the pay the clubs gave the icons after their better days was eye opening.

  75. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Thanks for that Randy. Really interesting article.

  76. Yank1 November 30th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    Heard this: Jorge De La Rosa turned down multiple offers that were larger in order to re-sign with the Colorado Rockies.

    Lots of pitchers taking below market deals… DeLaRosa, Kuroda, Garland, Lilly. Wish some players would do that for us…

  77. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    randy/GB7,

    That article is pretty interesting but I’d like to see how many legendary players actually did have to take significant paycuts. The article only lists 5 players that got raises, does that mean every other declining hall of famer took a paycut? Seems like the evidence is strong that Derek should too.

    The other thing is, the 5 examples from that article were all playing at a significantly lower salary than Jeter. I mean, he just came off a 10 year $189 million deal. If he made 9 or 10 million last year sure I’d give him a raise but he didn’t.

    And finally, just because Cal Ripken and a few other guys got raises doesn’t mean it was a good idea by their respective teams.

  78. DaSaint007 November 30th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Really interesting Sports Illustrated article and it makes me reconsider a bit. I’ve been stuck on 3/$45M or 4/$72M, but maybe the answer could be short term, which the Yankees want – say 3 years, and a slight decrease, say $20M per year.

    So 3 years $60M. Sheesh. Not my money.

  79. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    I’d rather see an article that quantifies how much money Derek Jeter generates for the Yankees as a marketing symbol. In other words, how much is he worth to them off the field? I feel like most journalists are lazy and would rather make arguments based on quotes from “anonymous executives” or just silly platitudes about how Derek Jeter is a LEGEND. Come on guys, do a little bit of research and analysis that has some meaning.

  80. DaSaint007 November 30th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    GB, I promised not to talk about this any more, but what do you think? Does it get done or not. Is he staying or going?

  81. icebird753 November 30th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Felix Hernandez might still be in play. Same with Adrian Gonzalez, Justin Upton or hell even Chris Young. Won’t happen though, unless maybe in free agency

  82. SAS November 30th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    GB,

    Nothing against RayVT, but no one person and no group can keep you guys down…thank goodness

  83. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    The books are full of players that received end of career raises, not including those that went to other teams or stayed in place and salaries stayed the same. Williams, Musial, DiMaggio, Mantle, Mays, Aaron. It’s hardly a new situation.

  84. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    I am very perplexed why so many Yankee fans are upset about Jeter getting what he wants from the Yankees. It’s not your money and the Yankees are extremely wealthy. What they pay Jeter would have zero effect of their ability to be competitive going forward. Especially if they took my suggestion and gave him the 3 year deal for $45 with a retirement bonus at the end of $25 million. They could perhaps pay that out over 5 years.

    Why do people care?

  85. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    As far as being significantly lower money? No kidding. It was also before 9 figure contracts, too.

  86. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    GB7,

    Are you suggesting that Jeter get a raise?

    Also all of the players you mention are not from this era of the game. They were all making a very small fraction of what current superstars make.

  87. pat November 30th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Patrick

    Not sure you can put a figure on something intangible even if the YES Network would be willing to give out financial info which they won’t.

    All you are going to get is guesstimates based on increased ad rates during milestone moments but that would only give a partial picture.

  88. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Thank toy SAS. You add a lot to this board. Just keep it going. Every so often somebody posts something good.

  89. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Why do people care?

    Because the more the team spends on Jeter the less they can spend on other players. Assuming the Yankees actually have a budget, which I think they do.

  90. SAS November 30th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    GB,

    I remember when Mantle got $100,000 and that was a huge deal.

  91. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    ***Thank you, SAS.***

  92. Dylan November 30th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    There is no way we could get Greinke without giving up a top prospect like Montero, Sanchez, or the Killer B’s. We had to give up our #2 prospect (and our best pitching prospect) for Vazquez, who was 33 at the time, and not nearly the pitcher that Greinke is. Greinke is in the prime of his career, and is only one year removed from winning the Cy Young Award in the American League! He would cost us a fortune. Especially since there is only one elite pitcher available in free agency.

  93. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Patrick, I never said anything about Jeter should get a raise. I just posted an interesting set of figures.

  94. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    All you are going to get is guesstimates based on increased ad rates during milestone moments but that would only give a partial picture.

    I know, but it would be a more interesting read for me personally. As a reader I would enjoy that if some thought was put into the “guesstimates” along with some facts. It’s probably impossible to quantify Jeter’s off the field value but it’d be interesting to read about and at least an effort would be made towards guessing at what a “fair” contract for him is.

  95. DaSaint007 November 30th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Patrick,

    There is no real way to know how much he generates, other than possibly merchandise because of licensing deals. Ford and Gillette were going to advertise at Yankee Stadium anyway, because they’re viewed by 90,000 eyballs in person each game, plus millions more on TV.

    No one surveys fans when they enter asking, ‘hey are you here because of ARod or Jeter or Tex?’ so there’s no way to know how many fannies he brings to the stadium. I’d surmise that they’d go anyway, as long as the team wins.

    His outside advertising deals are his. It’s his money, and he’s not sharing that info, and neither are the advertisers, unless you look closely through their company fiancials if they are publicly traded.

    Fact is, the Yankee organization/brand name makes money because they put a winning TEAM on the field, which gives them a better opportunity than most to win more consistently than most. Because of that, the fans endear themselves to some players – SOME OF WHOM benefit from endorsements. Like Jeter, or ARod.

    No one’s talking about how much money Andy makes for the team, right? Or Mo? Or Posada? Or Cervelli – ok, that’s just to see if you’re all paying attention. But you get my drift.

    Jeter has endured, and is marketable for several reasons:
    He’s good looking.
    He’s bi-racial, and therefore appeals easier to a larger market
    He speaks clearly and is always willing to speak to the media – though he doesn’t say much
    He plays with heart each and every day, so he endears himself to the fans who appreciate that.
    He’s good. Very good.
    He’s a stand up guy, very loyal.
    He’s good looking, so he dates good looking women that most of us couldn’t dream of approaching. Heck, he turned down Mariah after a while. Go figure!

    All that makes him an interesting, likeable, marketable, cross-cultural cash cow – because he’s wearing the Pinstripes of the most marketable Sports franchise, in the biggest Media market of the world.

    I forgot where I was going with this, but I have to get home anyway. Later all.

  96. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Patrick, I never said anything about Jeter should get a raise. I just posted an interesting set of figures.

    Well I agree that it is an interesting article but there are a lot of flaws, in my opinion. At least it got us talking about something!

  97. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Patrick. I don’t believe that the Yankees budget is effected substantially by $20 million here and there. Their revenues are just too high.

  98. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    No one’s talking about how much money Andy makes for the team, right? Or Mo? Or Posada? Or Cervelli – ok, that’s just to see if you’re all paying attention. But you get my drift.

    No one’s arguing that Pettitte, Mo, Posada or Cervelli should get overpaid because they are worth a lot to the team off the field. That very argument is being made for Jeter.

  99. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    SAS, I remenber that one, too. along with Mays and then Mays was jumped to about $160,000 late in his career and $165, 000 in his last 2 years.

  100. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    By the way, DaSaint,

    “He’s good looking.
    ..
    He’s good looking, ”

    You mentioned that twice. :) Now I know why you want the Yankees to overpay him :)

    kidding…

  101. DaSaint007 November 30th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    LOL @ Patrick.

    I just repeat what I hear the ladies say. Except my wife. For whatever reason she not at all enthralled with him, and much prefers ARod. And Andy. Go figure.

    BTW, she calls Jorge the Turtle.

  102. SAS November 30th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    GB,

    What did they do with all that money?

  103. SAS November 30th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    :arrow: One more day of memorabiia for a great cause

  104. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    SAS, As far as Mays goes, his ex-wife got most of it. Mantle just wasted a lot of his. Only when memorabilia hit big did he finally become wealthy. Williams invested in Sears, DiMaggio had every dime he made. Musial has worked as a VP with St. Louis for 47 years.

  105. randy l. November 30th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    “Thanks for that Randy. Really interesting article.”

    thank gb7, he’s the one that provided the link.

    there will be many more articles coming out like this.

  106. Bronx Jeers November 30th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    ” Ford and Gillette were going to advertise at Yankee Stadium anyway, because they’re viewed by 90,000 eyballs in person each game….”

    Make that 89,999 eyeballs.

    Freddy Sez was blind in one eye.

  107. David in Cal November 30th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Randy, yes pay cuts vs. increases are one way to compare Ripkin to Jeter, but actual dollars is another. The Orioles gave Ripken a raise from $6.5 million per year to $7.55 million per year in what was a two-year extension. The Yanks have offered Jeter $15 million per year. That’s just about double what Ripkin got. And, there hasn’t been much inflation since the late 1990′s, so Jeter’s offer really is almost twice the spending power of what Ripkin got.

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