Smooth and quiet, like the man himself
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 30, 2010 
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Mariano Rivera could be signed by the end of next week’s Winter Meetings. That’s what a source told Brian Costa over at the Wall Street Journal.
Naturally, the Yankees closer has been moving toward a deal quietly and smoothly. As silent and effective as ever.
The Yankees and Rivera have been working largely in the background, moving toward an agreement with none of the public back-and-forth that has market the Derek Jeter negotiations. Doesn’t mean there haven’t been disagreements (surely they didn’t both show up asking for the same thing), and it doesn’t mean there wasn’t a gap to be closed (this was a negotiation, afterall).
But just like Rivera himself, these negotiations have been business as usual. Not many bells or whistles, and certainly no public shouting and screaming.
Rivera might be older than Jeter, but he’s coming off another strong season. He’s also reportedly never been looking for more than a two-year deal. As much as anything, those two facts might have eased these negotiations.
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Ok, so in light of the Troy Tulowitzky contract the Yankees are offering to make Derek the second highest paid SS in the game.
Good job by Colorado locking him up and coming to terms with De La Rosa on what appears to be a fairly reasonable contract.
Mariano Rivera could be signed by the end of next week?s Winter Meetings
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Awesome.
You mean the Yankees aren’t disrespecting Mariano?
Shocking!!
So Tulowitsky’s AAV is going to be $16.5? But yeah, Jeter defiitely deserves 25/year.
I think equating these negotiations (or even Andys for that matter) to Jeter’s is unfair. They really couldn’t be more different.
Why aren’t they trying to defame Rivera!?
This is all Jeter’s fault….or Pettitte’s….or Lee’s.
As far as Upton, if NYYs can get him for less than involving, Montero and at least 2 of the B Boys, pretty much anyone else in the minors is up for grabs. Hughes is also a no-go. If there is a shoulder issue, that has to lower the asking price, but, NYYs needs to know if it’s an issue that can be fixed, even if Upton is out for a part of the season, or even the complete season. as much as Arizona was panting for Kennedy, the farm has at least five pitchers his equal or better. I can’t see ‘Zona wanting Granderson or Swisher because of the salary a a short term control of them. Would I include Chamberlain or Robertson? In a heartbeat, but, not both.
The extension for Tulo’s deal is 20 million per year though and is 6 years long…..most of which are after his 30th birthday. Hopefully for their sake he doesn’t have an injury in the next 4 years and leave them on the hook for 120 million…..Jeter lived up to his 10 year deal and the Yankees have the resources to absorb it if he hadn’t. I love Tulo though so im happy for him if that’s where he wants to be.
GB,
I agree with that…..I might put Banuelos on that list as well, but I think its worth it if you can deal from excess and not your very top guys but if Towers is wanting a clear Overpay then that may not be enough.
GB-
Morning. Like your take on Upton.
If rasmus doesn’t fit in Birdland he’d be another fantastic get.
Blake-
No tulo in the future.
Oh well. We’ll just use Culver instead.
“Ok, so in light of the Troy Tulowitzky contract the Yankees are offering to make Derek the second highest paid SS in the game”
Nope. Based on existing contracts, at $15M per, Jeter would still be the highest AAV among middle infielders thru 2013 (tied with Utley). Tulowitzski doesn’t start making the real money til 2014.
The extension for Tulo’s deal is 20 million per year though and is 6 years long…..most of which are after his 30th birthday.
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On a deal he already has 4 years left on, so he is going to total 165 over the next 10 years. that comes out to 16.5 on average.
MTU,
I know….I’m slightly bitter, really wanted him to be a Yankee one day
Blake that cost would depend of the attitude or physical issues that may be concerning Upton, but, issues or no issues, if ‘Zona asks for 5 players top players, salute them in the only way you can and walk away. One other thing, I wouldn’t include four pitchers in any deal.
So Tulowitzski contract would take him to 36 at $20 a year?
“On a deal he already has 4 years left on, so he is going to total 165 over the next 10 years. that comes out to 16.5 on average.”
Yes, but the big money in the deal doesn’t kick in until the extension starts….which is reported to be 6/120 after his 30th birthday, at least thats my understanding of it.
Never mind, ac1 answered.
MTU, I can’t see st. Louis allowing LaRussa to run any players out of town…especially because the player’s biggest fault is because he wants to play. I don’t see Rasmus getting moved for anything less than a Upton type deal. In fact, that may be the best deal…Upton for Rasmus.
In other words….the AAV of the total deal won’t matter after 2014 because they will be paying 120 million over the final 6 years
My one and only Jeter post for the day. Enjoy it suckers
How much did Derek Jeter benefit from being a Yankee and associated with the Yankees brand? Of course he did his part to build his own brand, but you can’t deny he has greatly benefited from his Yankee ties.
That is why neither party in this negotiation owes each other anything. The last contract is over and done with and both parties benefited from it.
It was a mutually beneficial contract based on what happened over the past 10 years.
Now the next contract will be a mutually beneficial contract for what will happen over the next few years. Not what happened before, because both sides already received their benefit from it.
That is what this all comes down to. Mutual benefit. The Yankees owe Derek nothing. Derek owes the Yankees nothing.
At some point though, Jeter’s contract becomes a detriment. The Yankees will not cross that line and I suspect that line is very close to 3/45 especially on the part for the years.
“The extension for Tulo’s deal is 20 million per year though and is 6 years long…..most of which are after his 30th birthday.”
So’s Teixeira’s, Arod’s, Sabathia’s and soon to be Lee’s. Guys don’t die when they turn 30. They obviously didn’t have to do this now, and it’s a little surprising they did, but in the end they keep the face of their franchise for most, if not all, of his career and probably saved themselves $30M or so in the long run.
going to make a guess that after tulo’s deal is done, he wont be asking for 25 mil over the next 6 years.
A short break from the Derek Jeter saga:
SJ,
I seem to remember you saying that you go to a fair amount of Miami Heat games… What is your take on the Spolestra/James things… is the ESPN article this AM spot on?
You’re assuming that Tulowitzki can still play at all in 10 years.
Since I don’t want to talk about DJ anymore:
Rockies get: Joba Chamberlain and Low A pitcher Sean Black
Yankees get: Huston Street and Ryan Spillborghs
GB-
I know. It was more wishful thinking than real possibility on Rasmus.
We really don’t to change our OF.
The Upton’s may have a genetic weakness in the Labrum.
And maybe a learned “attitude” weakness ?
“They obviously didn’t have to do this now, and it’s a little surprising they did, but in the end they keep the face of their franchise for most, if not all, of his career and probably saved themselves $30M or so in the long run.”
Mell, I know guys don’t die when they hit 30 but my point was just that….they didn’t need to do this now and IMO they are adding significant risk in doing so when they had him under contract for the next 4 years anyway…..I could understand it more if they had gotten a real deal on the extension, but it doesn’t look like they got all that much of a discount to me. The other point is that Tex, Arod, and CC play for the Yankees who can absorb bad contracts if it doesn’t work out….I’m not sure how much the Rockies can. There haven’t been many guys live up to a contract that long.
seem to remember you saying that you go to a fair amount of Miami Heat games… What is your take on the Spolestra/James things… is the ESPN article this AM spot on?
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Lebron is a disease to whatever team he plays for. He got his last coach fired, then left. He is already throwing Spo under the bus. Never ever takes responsbility for his part in not winning a championship, like quitting on his team in the playoffs, or yapping about 5 titles and being 10-8 to start.
ac1 – True but if I’m Jeter I’m saying, “C’mon guys, they’re the freakin’ ROCKIES! I know if they can shake $20 mil for their short stop you can too and it won’t hurt you nearly as much as it could hurt them!”
Edit: “don’t need”. sorry.
“And maybe a learned “attitude” weakness ?”
Loser gene?
Shame-
Just ask Sherman.
He’s the “expert” ?
ac1 – True but if I’m Jeter I’m saying, “C’mon guys, they’re the freakin’ ROCKIES! I know if they can shake $20 mil for their short stop you can too and it won’t hurt you nearly as much as it could hurt them!”
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I get where you are coming from. The only way i would agree to give Jeter 20 AAV is if it stops at 3 years. 3/60. If that can get it done, i say good. No way I lock him up into his 40s at 20M.
Also, Girardi has to start being more authoritative with his players and sitting them and moving them and not being afraid of reactions. If he can’t do that, he isnt the right person for the job.
MTU – I just miss using the term ‘loser gene’
Without Javy on our team I dunno where to apply it, but I’m sure it won’t be long before the LoHud goat gets chosen next season.
Shame Spencer November 30th, 2010 at 9:24 am
ac1 – True but if I’m Jeter I’m saying, “C’mon guys, they’re the freakin’ ROCKIES! I know if they can shake $20 mil for their short stop you can too and it won’t hurt you nearly as much as it could hurt them!”
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If I’m Cashman though I come back with, “Yes, but that SS on the open market would find a team willing to give him $20 mil. You can’t even find one willing to give you $15 other than us.”
johnny damon talk has begun. Would like to go back to the AL East, basically means “Call me Yankees, please!!!!”
“My one and only Jeter post for the day. Enjoy it suckers
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gonna hold you to that
Chip,
That’s a really bad trade.
I don’t think the LeBron-Spo stuff is a big deal.
You have critics waiting to pounce on ANYTHING that goes on with the Heat just to say they were “right”.
Getting wound up over November NBA results is like trying to predict the baseball season on May 1.
It’s a complete waste of time.
You have a team with a lot of new faces and two key injuries (Miller and Haslem). It’s going to take time for things to come together.
I’m one who believes a little conflict can be healthy for a team.
One thing I think that will change is the leaking.
As an organization, the Heat doesn’t leak under Pat Riley.
I think LeBron, and more specifically, Maverick Carter, probably had Riley remind them of that yesterday.
I would be surprised if anymore leaking goes on from here on out.
Damon may end up with the Rays….I’d like to see him back with the Yankees but I don’t know where he would fit.
“Damon may end up with the Rays….I’d like to see him back with the Yankees but I don’t know where he would fit”
Damon expressed some interest in the Rays before. Could make sense as a DH if he’s willing to play in the $5M-$7M range.
Blake -
He wouldn’t fit that’s why he is likely to end up with the Rays.
Personally I would think he would be a decent fit with the Cardinals. I know he’s not a good CF anymore but that team desperately needs what he brings to the plate in the 1 or 2 spot.
Chip – I certainly think you’re right but my point is that there is a precedent being set by this SS signing.
Tulowitzki is a great player.. but he’s only batted better than .300 once in his career. Jeter has done it every season since he signed that 10 year deal aside from 2010 and I think 2002? I can’t remember at the moment but I don’t believe he fell below .300 more than twice.
LGY
we will be holding you to that!
I could see Johnny D w/ the Rays…Erica??? any thoughts???
Tulowitzki is a great player.. but he’s only batted better than .300 once in his career. Jeter has done it every season since he signed that 10 year deal aside from 2010 and I think 2002? I can’t remember at the moment but I don’t believe he fell below .300 more than twice.
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Tulo also OPS’d over .900 two years in a row, which Jeter has only ever done twice, 7 years apart.
will this be the only Jerkface post on Jeter today?
The amount of jerkface posts about Jeter is N+1 where N is the amount of Jeter posts by pro-Jeter posters.
Except for his walks, I wouldn’t mind seeing NYYs go after Kevin Gregg. Not sure that he could/would set up though. It’s just those wa;ls…
I’m not trying to disparage Tulo. I’m not even trying to compare the two SS really. I’m just saying if I’m Derek Jeter and I see that the Colorado Rockies can come up with $20 mil to pay their short stop I expect the Yankees can do the same.
Not saying he deserves it, but I’m saying there is something to it when you consider the largely skewed negotiations of pro-sports.
Shame… It’s the years, less about the money. He isn’t happy with 3 years apparently, and the yankees are more likely to hold firm on that than the 15 mil.
“I’m Derek Jeter and I see that the Colorado Rockies can come up with $20 mil to pay their short stop I expect the Yankees can do the same.”
There’s little doubt they could do the same. Problem is there’s no earthly reason why they should.
Love Tulo but if he holds up to a 10 year contract the way Jeter did then the Rockies should consider themselves fortunate.
Jerkface
you can count on me to be quiet then
Over Jeter’s 10 year deal, he failed to play 150 games 1 season, double digit homers every year, double digit steals every year, hit .300 7 times, scored 100 runs 8 times, and as I said the other day was one of the best players of the steroid era without using steroids…..I think the Rockies would sign up for that right now given the opportunity.
I’m just saying if I’m Derek Jeter and I see that the Colorado Rockies can come up with $20 mil to pay their short stop I expect the Yankees can do the same.
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And if I’m the Yankees I point out Tulowitzki’s age, his CURRENT salary, and performance, or even the AAV of the deal. “Fine, you want a tulo deal? Here is 16.5 mil for 3 years, final offer”
Blake-
Randy predicts that “El Destructor de las pelotas de beisbol (Montero)” will hit 28 dingers in his rookie season.
Jeter’s numbers over the 10 years:
.310BA/ .380OBP/ .445SLG/ .824OPS
“Jeter’s numbers over the 10 years:
.310BA/ .380OBP/ .445SLG/ .824OPS”
and was able to remain at SS that entire time…..pretty darn good.
MTU,
that would be great….I think its possible but we don’t want a Phil Hughes effect here, lets temper expectations just a little bit
On or about December 20th, they’ll be so many player moves by teams that nobody will need to bellyache or focus strictly on what Derek Jeter does or hasn’t done.
Just one week from today the GM meetings will be in it’s 2nd day. Just let players like Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte, Crawford, or Werth get signed and a flurry of deals will break out in the domino affect.
SI_JonHeyman
hearing a couple unnamed teams are laying in weeds for cliff lee. still think he winds up on #yankees tho. #boldprediction
ah the “mystery teams” are starting to pop up….love it when that happens.
What Jeter did is in the past. Tulo’s contract is based on his future anticipated production. Jeter is already being offered more than his future anticipated production warrants.
SI_JonHeyman
hearing a couple unnamed teams are laying in weeds for cliff lee. still think he winds up on #yankees tho. #boldprediction
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Man !!!!
The unnamed teams are here!
The game is afoot!
This Rivera contract is great news for those unfortunate enough to never see him close a game live.
Future “Yankee History” Jeopardy clue:
This man served as the bridge that spanned the divide between Metallica and Sinatra.
Who is Mariano Rivera?
Jeter should learn from Rivera.
Take a 3 year contract. If you are still playing well at the end of it, you’ll get another.
Tulowitzki is a pretty good player, and he may be better when his road numbers start closing the gap on his home numbers.
GB,
He’s a very good player which is why im a little bummed out by the news….but can’t really fault him if he wants to stay in Denver, great place to hit, and pretty awesome city.
GB-
Perhaps Tulo will be another in a long line of great Polish shortstops.
Just let him stick to baseball and away from decorating Xmas trees.
SJ -
On my Joba trade suggestion…I fully admit that Joba Chamberlain has me at a loss. I have absolutely no idea what a fair trade involving him is at this point. Is he still a phenom with great potential or is he Aaron Heilman?
From the Yankee point of view they would be getting a decent fourth outfielder who can play all three spots and give them a right handed bat and a set up guy who would be a proven option to take over for Rivera when the time comes.
For the Rockies, they get a little younger and less expensive in their pen with Joba and get a minor leaguer with some upside in Black.
Blake-
Utah is better.
Blake -
For Colorado’s sake I hope this contract turns out better than some of their other mega deals like Mike Hampton and Todd Helton
Colorado should lock up U-Jim.
MTU -
And Cargo
blake November 30th, 2010 at 10:14 am
GB,
He’s a very good player which is why im a little bummed out by the news….but can’t really fault him if he wants to stay in Denver, great place to hit, and pretty awesome city
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That 50 point difference in batting, 100 point difference in slugging and 40 point difference in OBP would bother me.
MTU,
Utah didn’t offer $160 million
….to make that kind of money and play baseball I can’t think of many places better than Denver especially as a hitter. The summer weather there is incredible.
Chip-
How the heck are you today ?
Ready to cause trouble ?
GB,
Yea but if he’s staying in Colorado then that shouldn’t change. I think he’s more than a Coors product but that’s JMO…..guess we will never know now.
Blake-
Just come to Utah sometime and see Colorado as over rated.
MTU -
Much like Bo and Luke I’ve been in trouble with the law since the day I was born.
Chip
I do too…..I don’t understand their rush to do it, but its their money.
Chip-
That’s the spirit !
MTU,
Im sure that may be true…..I need to one day.
Blake-
IMHO, as far as Rocky Mountain states go Colorado ranks fairly low on the totem pole.
Montana, Wyoming,and also Idaho are also better for my money.
And so are Utah and New Mexico.
Denver is much flatter than I expected. And I had a really bad Mexican meal which was a shock.
I did go to a really cool outdoor sports store. I wanted to buy everything even though I have use for nothing. For an hour I was one with the NRA.
If you are going to talk about Tulos H/R splits then you have to talk about the other ballparks in the NL West.
Tulo is not just a pretty good player. If he was a Yankee we would be drooling over him because he would arguably be the best player on the team.
He is one of the best players in baseball especially when you factor in his plus D at a position barren of talent.
I’d love to know how the Lee bidding is actually going to be handled. It’s a curious notion, if true, that the Yankees would be allowed to just wait around, assured by the Lee camp they will be told what the high bid is, and then have the chance to match or surpass it.
First off, I would imagine the other teams would cry blood murder about that scenario if they weren’t afforded the same opportunity. So I would guess the Lee camp would make that call announcing where the bid stands to all those involved, and go back and forth until only one team remains.
Another option would be to handle it as a blind bid process. That more often than not results in a higher amount of money to the seller as those who really want to win the deal are likely to overpay out of an often legitimate fear they will be too low with no second chance afforded them.
Would love to be a fly on the wall in the Lee camp. Fascinating stuff.
Jeers-
If you like climbing 14 teener’s Colorado is the place.
I can live with Tulo’s away splits. His OPS on the road last year was .863 and it was .859 in ’09.
MTU,
No baseball there though….I’ve been to.Montana and Wyoming and they are amazing….
MTU November 30th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Blake- IMHO, as far as Rocky Mountain states go Colorado ranks fairly low on the totem pole.
Montana, Wyoming,and also Idaho are also better for my money. And so are Utah and New Mexico.
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Interesting. Better in what way? I lived in Colorado in the mountains for 8 years and have traveled everywhere in the mountain west and I’d put Colorado at the top of the list – although all the states have spectacular areas and lots going for them.
Blake-
Been to Glacier, Flathead Lake, Missoula ?
Been to the Tetons and hiked around ?
WCYF-
In the case of my home state because of the greater diversity of environments, and lower population density.
PLUS we have the alpine environments just like Colorado.
Only half serious. Not really looking to start an argument.
Colorado is certainly beautiful.
I wish Jeters numbers were as good as tulo’s away numbers.
MTU,
was in Glacier for 6 weeks. I’ve been to most everywhere in Montana. Didn’t get to much of the Tetons. I agree that those places are really awesome….I was just talking about for a big league baseball player, the combo of big city, weather, and outdoor activities….Denever is tough to beat.
“That 50 point difference in batting, 100 point difference in slugging and 40 point difference in OBP would bother me.”
You’ve just described Teixeira’s tenure as a Yankee to this point.
We can only hope Jeter’s away split gets up to par with his home split in the coming years
Not at all, I was genuinely curious as to your perspective.My favorite areas outside of Colorado, (there are many) are the Tetons, Yellowstone, Madson River basin, Snake River area in Northern Idaha, Taos area in New Mexico, Arches, Canyonlands and Manti La Sal Mountains in Utah. Lots more. There is a lot to be said for a desolate windy Wyoming prarie as well, that stretches before one endlessly with a huge herd of antelope racing by.
Blake-
I know and I agree for a ballplayer.
But not for an explorer like me.
Jeter’s were when he was Tulo’s age…….
MTU,
Nah, for that there are much better places
What’s Tulowitzki’s excuses in most of the AL parks, Wrigley, St. Louis, and Arizona? Face facts. his home numbers are bloated because of the park. Not just homers but because of the size of the playing field in the outfield…..not just depth. I’m not knocking his talents, but, that’s quite an advantage.
WCYF-
Bottom line is if you love the outdoors, as I do, it’s ALL good.
My personal ranking FWIW would be:
Utah
Montana
New Mexico
Wyoming
Colorado
Idaho
Arizona
Close call on Montana vs NM. Might have to flip those 2.
Montana (Glacier Nat’l park, etc) Wyoming (Grand Tetons etc) >>> state of Colorado
My apologies for starting a range war.
A guy like Carlos Gonzalez’s home/away splits are disconcerting. Tulo is A-rod at home, and better than Jeter on the road.
Jeter has had interesting home/away splits in his career. He’s also had a number of years where he was dead even home/road.
Range War! lol
Time to walk the snake killers. They’re hungry for a snack.
MTU November 30th, 2010 at 10:43 am:
Isn’t some of those like comparing apples with oranges? New Mexico and Utah are mostly southwest desert scenery. While Montana, Wyoming, Idaho are more lush/green
MTU November 30th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Time to walk the snake killers. They’re hungry for a snack.
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What did you do? Trade the fur balls in for a pair of mongooses?
Tom-
Nope. Ever visit the high Unitas of Utah, or the Wasatch range ?
In NM. Ever been to Red river or Cimarron ?
Let me know if you think they are still only dry and southwest then.
But you are right about it being a matter of taste.
I have lived in the SW for many years and lived in several of the RM states.
Have visited many of the others.
This is my 1st choice. Bar none.
I should really go now or the dogs are gonna gnaw my foot off.
not true Tom
from my limited travel in the SW, both NM and Utah have a wide variety of scenery, and both have lush alpine areas. To me, part of the appeal is the variety.
For pure beauty, my favorites are Glacier and Zion
Glacier is tough to beat for just pure scenery……the whole place looks like a screen saver.
Blake
that is what I thought until we hiked in Zion
Kate,
Never been there….have to take your word for it
Alaska is also on my bucket list one day.
And why not Damon? At the right price, of course.
Jorge can DH against lefties and catch against righties (most).
All those states are diverse, with mountainous areas, river valleys, some deserts, etc. It depends on your taste and tolerance for often brutal winters.
Is the now tiresome Jeter quarrel being sublimated into a quarrel over which Western state is most scenic?
Im partial to the blue ridge myself
AZ has high country snow within 2-3 hours of metro Phoenix. The winter weather can’t be beat and makes up for the summers which aren’t so bad. Major downside? Very weird politics (AZ passed a law making it a crime to disparage fruit and vegetables – no joke) Many years here after growing up in Coney Island.
Is there an logical reason for the timing of the Tulo extension?
Rockies are more comfortable with a mortgage- payoff Helton and take a second with Tulo?
“And why not Damon? At the right price, of course.”
By the time the Yankees get through picking up their other pieces, Damon will have signed with someone else. I would have taken him back in a heartbeat.
And as for Jon Heyman saying that the thinks Lee will be a Yankee, that’s like me admitting that I’m not really Angelina Jolie.
“Im partial to the blue ridge myself”
Nah, the Blue Ridge only looks good because it plays in a weak region…
Whoa-something’s off. I only counted about 4 or 5 posts about Jeter. Either I’m hallucinating and my cold is worse than I thought, or have we finally moved past Derek Jeter presents: As the World Turns ????
yeah, I like AZ as well…Sedona, the Grand Canyon, Tuscon…
What are Glacier’s and Zion’s VORP?
[Value Over Replacement Property?]
Wave,
Depends on how you like your winters and how much you like oak and maple trees as I do.
Erin! Shhhhhhhhh!
Good morning all,
I have to admit I haven’t seen as much of SW as all of you, but if you go across Rte.40 in NM, you would never go back unless you were desperate.. That is the part of NM I have seen. Albequerque is a nice city. West Gallup NM is awful. We have stayed there a few times. Driving across the US doesn’t begin to show the highlights of different states.
I think AZ is gorgeous with a large variety of terrain. It is the state I know out there, and I love it.
Erin
LGY promised only one post, and Jerkface will do only one post over every positive Jeter post, so its travelocity instead
Pat,
Not that I can think of…..they are doing this 2 or 3 years early IMO.
The Rockies have a really good Ultimate Range Zone.
West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Erin! Shhhhhhhhh!
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Sorry!!!
“AZ passed a law making it a crime to disparage fruit and vegetables”
Finally, parents get the upper hand.
“Now Johnny, quit saying that your broccoli is yucky, or the nice policeman will come and take you away to reform school…..”
upstate kate November 30th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Erin
LGY promised only one post, and Jerkface will do only one post over every positive Jeter post, so its travelocity instead
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sounds like a plan.
My Jeter wounds are slowly healing, being a pin-cushion sucks! (my fault)
The Appalachian Mountains, however, peaked a couple of millennia ago. Their skills have eroded with time.
I don’t like Phoenix.
Eroded with time or aged like a fine wine…..matter of taste. I consider them the Mo Rivera of mountain ranges.
“The Appalachian Mountains, however, peaked a couple of millennia ago. Their skills have eroded with time.”
How can you say that? Don’t you realize what the Appalachians have meant to this continent? Where would the whole Eastern Seaboard have been without them?
This Appalachian disparagement really ticks me off…
Tom
you could say that about the Adirondaks as well…and I would have to agree…hiking out west is so much nicer
Wave,
Lol.
For those feeling old today and appropriate to the discussion of the great outdoors.
The Adirondacks are more than 300 million years old, 200 million years older than the Rockies. The Black Hills though are said to be 1.8 Billion years old with some rock dated to be 2.8 billion years old.
That’s more years than the Yankees are worth in dollars!
Tom-
Oustanding ! 5 stars for clever.
Oh ok I thought I was on a baseball blog….only kidding.
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By the time the Yankees get through picking up their other pieces, Damon will have signed with someone else. I would have taken him back in a heartbeat.
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Not if we tell him to wait….who is he signing with for more than we can give?
blake
Thanks. Thought I was missing something. Alot can happen in the next 2-3 years.
There’s value in being able to market the heck out of the franchise with a “face” in his prime but there is $$$ risk involved as a percent of payroll.
Kate-
Come back. I will show you more. Free of charge.
MTU,
My son’s surgery and lymph node check is Thursday. 25 percent chance that it has spread.
The single most beautiful thing I know of is located in AZ.
THE CROWN JEWEL of the entire SW IMHO. A titan of beauty. A “Hope diamond”.
And it ain’t the Canyon. At least the part of it most are familiar with.
SAS-
Then I’m hoping for the other 75% that it hasn’t.
I’ll keep praying for a good result.
Upstate Kate, New York State is gorgeous. I spend most of my summers (teaching has it’s perks) wandering around up there.
I’ve yet to go out west.
Pat,
I agree…I just hope for their sake that he doesn’t get hurt in the next 4 years ( when they have him under contract anyway) and leave them on the hook for 6/120 . Its adding a lot of unnecessary risk for a team with their payroll and revenues by extending him now.
SAS November 30th, 2010 at 11:25 am
MTU,
My son’s surgery and lymph node check is Thursday. 25 percent chance that it has spread.
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SAS, my best wishes to you, your son and family. Look at it this way…he has a 75% chance that it hasn’t spread and medical research has really advanced beyond the wildest dreams.
Tom-
that’s a lot of cow manure.
Get out this way. You won’t regret it. I promise you.
SAS,
best wishes…hope everything is totally clear.
My thoughts and prayers to you and your son SAS
I shovel manure for a living, MTU.
I’m used to it by now.
MTU and GB,
Thanks. I know 75 percent is a bigger number, but I was remotely thinking there was a 10 percent chance. I also know they are doing wonderful things with all kinds of C.
Thank you everyone.
Best of luck to your son, SAS.
SAS-
The key thing with all cancers is early detection.
if they catch it early enough the survival and cure rates are much much higher.
I’m not a Dr. but using common sense, if your son has only one external sign I would think it is early.
Please keep me informed.
Jeter is probably going to get four years and 68-70 million.
Again, SAS, best wishes and luck to your son and all on a speedy recovery.
Tulo and Cargo are not Vinny Castilla and Dante Bichette – these are legitimately good players who would be legitimately good players in whatever park they called home.
In 4 years or so, CarGo will be patrolling CF in the Bronx…..unless Boras can extract more $$$$ from Theo. It’s unfortunate for the Rockies that CarGo (by selecting Boras as his agent) will not follow the path of Tulo, but it may well be a bonanza for the Yankees. If you have watched him this past season, you can appreciate how talented he is.
*Frankly any time I get to work Dante Bichette into a conversation it is a good day*
GB7,
Our thoughts and best wishes are with you.
Check back in 10 years when they have had a good part of a career. Three and 4 years dosn’t mean a bunch.
MTU,
Because of my son’s other problems, I have no idea how long this has been going on. He has not been good about checkups and the like, and didn’t do anything or say anything until it bothered him. Fortunately, I forced him to get a check up this summer, so the Dr. referred him to a dermatologist where we live, who excised the ‘mole’, and referred him to Sloan Kettering.
SAS -
Best wishes
Thank you, Ariel. Much appreciated.
SAS-
Let’s just hope for the best.
Try not to worry too much.
SAS – Best wishes. I’m sure it will turn out ok!
MTU,
I am doing my best. I haven’t slept in 2 nights. I am not sure that is the cause.
SAS-
Mothers always worry about their children.
Try your best to cross the bridge if you come to it.
You NEED your beauty sleep.
Besides you’re probably just tired from having cooked for 22.
That would wear anyone out !
On to other things all.
Who is CarGo?
Feliciano turned down arb from the Flushings.
blake -
There’s always risk when giving any player a long term contract – that’s why they happen so infrequently and are such a big deal.
Andrew Friedman probably holds his breath whenever he sees Longoria in the trainer’s room.
I’m still really curious what a fair market deal for Phat Albert will be…are we talking 10 years $27 – $30 mil per year? If the Yankees were in the market for a 1b I would say it’s probable, but without them and without Boston or the Angels or Phillies I wonder where his market is going to be.
SAS-
Rockies Of’er.
Very talented.
SAS –
Carlos Gonzalez – CF for the Rockies; 3rd place in MVP voting this year in the NL
WCYF -
Feliciano’s agent must have a few offers in hand then.
“Feliciano turned down arb from the Flushings”
He probably stood to get around $5M in arb. Have to assume he’s hearing good things on the street to pass on that.
SAS-
Carlos Gonzalez. Hence the nickname “CarGo”.
SAS-best of luck to your son.
SAS
Carlos Gonzalez, LF for the Rockies
lot’s of luck.
I would pony up 5+ for feliciano.
oh MTU, you beat me to it
Aaron Heilman’s agent says he’s getting offers to start – according to MLB TradeRumors.
Here’s my question – at this point who would still consider Heilman a starter? He hasn’t started in what – 5 years? I would sooner see him as a bad closer option than a back of the rotation starter.
Pay attention Joba – this very well may be your future.
Cashman is always full of surprises.
http://www.stamfordadvocate.co.....839571.php
Thanks again. I have heard of Carlos Gonzalez, but didn’t know his nickname.
edit: “wouldn’t”. duh.
After years of the media voters sticking it to Kaat, John and Blyleven, there better not be a ground swell of sympathy and “he’s a good guy” votes for the HOF for Moyer. They’ve been butchering the voting for years, now, From santo, Oliver and beyond.
“Jamie Moyer Hopes To Pitch In 2012
By Tim Dierkes [November 30 at 10:27am CST]
Free agent lefty Jamie Moyer is having Tommy John surgery Wednesday, according to his foundation’s Facebook page last night, and he’s “cautiously optimistic” about a comeback. Moyer would be 49 for the 2012 season, and his left elbow has over 4,000 innings and 57,000 pitches of mileage. He’s got 267 wins and a 4.24 ERA across 24 seasons for the Cubs, Rangers, Cardinals, Orioles, Red Sox, Mariners, and Phillies.”
“I would pony up 5+ for feliciano”
Per season?
G’ Morning all.
Kate-
fast on the draw. need to improve the accuracy.
Mell-
see my error in typing above. wouldn’t.
Mell -
Feliciano made 2.9 mil last year – I don’t think he would have doubled his salary through arbitration.
That said, I’m sure some team will offer him a 2 year deal in the area of $5 mil per (using Damaso Marte’s contract as a base)
saint-
Did Gb send you the helmet for your baby ?
Mell -
I should say “in the area of 4 – 5 mil per”
Side note – I hope the Yankees are not that team. If they’re going to spend $5 mil per year on a relief pitcher let it be a really good one like Scott Downs.
if they use Marte’s contact as a guide, no one will give him a deal. Marte is making 4 M so not play. Likely would scare more people than entice them to match it.
Chip-
I like Feliciano just not 5 million dollars worth.
ac1 -
You could be completely right on that.
Chip:
Some of the baseball cognoscenti suggested that $5M figure for Feliciano’s arb. I’m thinking he’s got at least 2 and $8M from somewhere.
Are the Yankees looking for a 2nd LOOGY or a LH reliever who’s good against both righties and lefties?
If the NNYs are looking for a left handed outfield/bench bat, about the only cheap one available might be Brad Hawpe. Hinske has 2 places on his mind…Atlanta and Milwaukee.
MTU -
Oh I totally agree. I would just as soon sign Randy Choate to a minor league deal.
MTU, I’m still waiting.
But now I’m scared of boxes that get delivered.
GB has skills. But if he sends me something that goes boom, I’ll send him back the gift that keeps giving from my son. He’s full of it.
GB7 -
As someone who wanted Hawpe last year when he could play I now find myself arguing against him.
If for no other reason than the fact that the Yankee OF is 2/3 left handed anyway and Hawpe’s not a good fielder I would rather have someone like Spillborghs or Reed Johnson who can play all three positions and hit from the right side.
Feliciano is not worth those big bucks, imo.
GB, haven’t asked you in a while. No more trips? Nurse Karloff leaving you alone?
That said (about Hawpe) if the Yankees could get a cheap contract from Rick Ankiel I would grab him up – the difference being that he’s a better glove than Hawpe.
How badly were the Yankees hurt with Logan our only loogy in 2010? Are we liking the idea of surrendering draft picks?
“Oh I totally agree. I would just as soon sign Randy Choate to a minor league deal”
Choate will have plenty of major league opportunities. Nobody’s getting him on a minor league deal.
There is always Kearns…..j/king
I think it is premature to worry about the extra outfielder.
It all depends on Lee – if the Yanks don’t sign him they may have to trade one of the existing three for a starter, which will in turn impact the quality of the outfielder they then need to get.
I know sherrill didn’t have a great year last year but his splits are good against lefties and he might be worth a shot.
he’d come cheap. Bounceback possible.
Simon, no trips for another 2 months. after that, maybe once a year. Randy has broken Nurse Karloff’s heart….that dog. Last that I saw, she was just dragging her left foot and knuckles down the hallway, sobbing her little yellow eyes out (all three of them).
I’d rather give up a draft pick. You have to give something to get something.
George Sherrill is, most likely, going to be non-tendered. He’s death to lefties.
Tom-
There you go.
SAS November 30th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
There is always Kearns?..j/king
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Don’t even joke about that SAS.
New Post: As secondary pieces fall, Lee remains at the top
Choate wouldn’t cost anything but a few Yankee dollars.
Nice, concise, crisp article by Tyler Kepner on Mariano and Jeter. No hyperbole just a rational description of the landscape for both.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11.....8;emc=ura5
Morning Yankee fans. Nice to hear Mo’s deal is getting done the proper way, unlike the Jeter deal who I have to blame the Front office for leaking info to the press. All we would be getting are speculation on rumors if the Front office boys would have kept it in house and not leaked a number they had to know wasn’t gonna get it done. Amazing how a rumored 6 for $138M for a 32 yr old lefty doesn’t create a wave, but Jeter a lifelong Yankee icon first ballot HOF player gets tossed under the bus. What is it the Torre Book payback, the $189M 10 yr deal for Jeter in 2000, the fact that Cashman hasn’t developed a King Felix or Lester or Buchholz or Greinke or Lincecum and he needs $46M to secure the #1 and #2 spots in the Yankee rotation and that situation needs to be taken off the back page? I don’t get it. Now were gonna use stats to evaluate the complete player off one bad yr, what about the Career numbers in BA/OBP/runs/ hits / Rings / leadership qualities Jeter possess?