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Up on the rooftop

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 30, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Wrapup BaseballHere’s the weird Yankees story of the day, and quite possibly the weird Yankees story of the entire winter.

It seems Brian Cashman is going to dress as an elf and rappel down a building with Santa Claus. This is all new to me, but apparently the Santa rappel is something the Stamford Downtown Special Services District does every year. Santa Claus literally rappels down 22 stories of the Landmark Building, usually accompanied by someone.

Take it away Stamford Advocate…

While the man in red is often escorted by the Grinch and Rudolph, this is the first time a member of the Yankees franchise is to take the plunge.

Cashman, who lives in Darien, mentioned at a DSSD fundraiser this summer that he would be interested in participating, (director of DSSD Sandy Goldstein) said.

“He mentioned something about wanting to rappel,” she said. “What could be better than having a star rappel?”

Cashman will go through a rehearsal rappel on Friday, the real thing is Sunday afternoon and the Winter Meetings begin on Monday in Orlando. If nothing else, he’ll have a cool ice breaker for all of those meetings with rival GMs and player agents. Also, as a not especially tall person myself, I’m going to refrain from making the obvious Cashman elf jokes.

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188 Responses to “Up on the rooftop”

  1. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    This is absolutely classic. I want to see lots of pictures

    :lol:

  2. Mike Ri November 30th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Cash Money !!

  3. Tom in N.J. November 30th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    I wonder how much the insurance premium costs.

  4. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Repost:

    SJ44 November 30th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Rule of thumb in contract talks……If you can’t quantify “value”, then it has no tangible value.
    What fans, and Mike Francesa, don’t realize about contract talks are that’s its very clinical. It’s more numbers crunching and comps than emotion. Ultimately, deals get done when both sides crunch numbers. When that happens, emotion goes NY the wayside and deals get done.

    *************

    Yes, quantifying value plays an important part in a contract negotiation. So do the intangibles, the 3,000 hits, the intrinsic stuff, the players image, selling the history, how the parties feel about each other, who else the club has to replace him, what the player means to the institutional marketing of the franchise. It’s lots more than just on-the-field value. Not to mention, there have been no offers for Jeter because the other clubs believe he will be returning to the Yankees. So any quantifying of his value as a player is total speculation.

  5. Betsy November 30th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    LOL this makes the off-season………..

  6. pat November 30th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    The practice rappel has been televised on the Fox 5 morning show the past few years and I hope it will be this year too.

  7. Bret The Hitman November 30th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    SOS,

    I’d take Crawford + Nunez + a trade return for Gardner over Jeter + Gardner + a trade return for Nunez.

    Younger, cheaper, more athletic, lower risk contract to Crawford vs. Jeter PLUS I think Gardner is worth more in a trade than Nunez because Gardner is the more proven player.

    As Mell said, the disadvantage of my scenario is you don’t know what you’re going to get from Nunez but you know what you’re going to get from Gardner so there is some risk there. However, some would argue that you have a better idea what you’ll get from Crawford in his prime vs. Jeter in the last 3-4 years of his career.

    Maybe I’d go Crawford + Nunez + a trade return for Gardner but I’d use both Nunez and Gardner in a package for a shortstop upgrade to Nunez since he’s the largest risk in this equation.

  8. SoS November 30th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    4. Wife also reserves all the surrounding seats

    She’s not THAT fat, come on. Don’t get catty.

    “8. Wifey a bench coach when hubbies not on the mound.”

    Oh now she needs an entire bench!?

    =========

    Jerkface,
    Maybe she’s not. But hanging around a stadium for 6 to 7 years with all the good grub to eat(for free i might add), might change the way you look a bit. Lets just say its insurance.

  9. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Since this is kinda-sorta on topic, I’ll do a Christmas TV announcement:

    Rudolph is on CBS tonight, and if you missed The Grinch on TBS last week, ABC is showing it tonight.

    :)

  10. SoS November 30th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    WARNING TO CASHMAN!!

    Make sure you have hired guns on the look out for Randy I and or Jeter while going down 22 stories.

  11. pat November 30th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    SJ

    I had a conversation with a client today and it was his understanding the Yankees explained to Jeter/Close why previous events were having them treat this contract as a business negotiation and that’s why Cashman blew his lid when Close used the baffled word.

    Can you confirm that portion of the story with a Yes or No from what you know. No need to go into details.

  12. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    SOS- :lol:

  13. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    One of you local folks need to be there and keep an eye out for some old geezer named Randy who’s going to try to grease the rappelling ropes.

  14. SoS November 30th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    mell,
    Good point. But Im assuming Jeter gets 4 plus years and around 17 to 20 mil. I would rather have a younger player with an extra year or two for that price.

  15. upstate kate November 30th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    I guess Cashman is more than just a pencil neck geek :)
    and credit to Pat, who posted a link for this story much earlier.

  16. DaSaint007 November 30th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    I hope the other GMs show up at the winter meetings in elf costumes to make Cash feel right at home.

  17. DonCapone November 30th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Is Jeter making him do this? “If you rappel down a building dressed as an elf, I’ll take your stinking 15 mil a year.”

  18. austinmac November 30th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    We now know Cashman isn’t spending all his time on Jeter issues.

    I do think it is important that Jeter be resolved before the end of the winter meetings so to allow the Yankees to pursue free agent and trade options if Jeter goes elsewhere. A younger, more athletic team is not a bad thing. A six year contract with Crawford still leaves him younger than Jeter is today. Nunez and a veteran SS, utility player can handle the position. I saw the Yankees age in the mid-60s. It is not a pretty sight.

  19. SoS November 30th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Brett,
    Cosigned.
    Even though with all the fire power this lineup would have, Nunez would probably have to hit more like Luis Sojo than Jeter. .250 would do.

  20. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    SoS:

    Longer this last, the more I’m convinced the Yankees aren’t doing that 4th year. Might bump him up to $16M or $17M, but I think 3 is going to be it. They have all the leverage and seem intent on capitalizing on that, while still being quite generous, IMO.

  21. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Erin November 30th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    Since this is kinda-sorta on topic, I’ll do a Christmas TV announcement:

    Rudolph is on CBS tonight, and if you missed The Grinch on TBS last week, ABC is showing it tonight.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I hear that two fuzzy kids by the names of Bert and Ernie will be out in front of CBS protesting about unfair hiring practices for turning down their Christmas Show idea, “Bert And Ernie’s Frog Leg And Roasted Pig Christmas Dinner”.

  22. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    SJ or anyone else -

    I know that because the Yankees declined to offer Derek arbitration there is a cutoff date as to when the Yankees can negotiate with him.

    Does anyone have that date?

  23. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Downs to decline arbitration. Can’t help but think that Type A designation is going to hurt him a little.

  24. SJ44 November 30th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Pat,

    True.

    If you recall, I made a post toward the end of the season about how I felt the Jeter “talk” would go at the end of the year. Pat M referenced it on a couple of occasions.

    When the parties met in Tampa, the Yankees went into great detail re: the reasoning behind their offer. Just as I said they would.

    They went into the kind of detail few teams do in contract negotiations with players.

    It’s why Cash got upset when Casey said he was “baffled” by the talks.

    From the Yankees perspective, there was nothing “baffling” about the conversation.

    It’s also why they aren’t moving off their offer just because, if you know what I mean.

    Eventually, they will get a deal done. It’s just going to take a little more time.

  25. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Rumor has it that the Texas Rangers are interested in Kerry Wood. The theory being that Wood could either set up for Feliz or, if Lee leaves, Wood would close with Feliz shifting into the rotation.

  26. hardwired7 November 30th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    according to league sources, Nolan Ryan plans to rappel down as well. he will be dressed as The Grinch.

  27. Bret The Hitman November 30th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    SoS November 30th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    Brett,
    Cosigned.
    Even though with all the fire power this lineup would have, Nunez would probably have to hit more like Luis Sojo than Jeter. .250 would do.

    *******

    Agreed. If you surround Nunez with that lineup and hit him 9th you reduce the risk to the point where you’re not forced to construct a trade package that would upgrade Nunez at the shortstop position. If you can upgrade Nunez then by all means do it if it makes sense and is a fair proposal. If you’re stuck with him, maybe it’s not the end of the world if he hits .250. His glove is solid.

  28. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Mell -

    I agree with you on Downs – I think he and Jesse Crain are in for a long winter just like the one Juan Cruz went through a couple of years ago.

  29. pat November 30th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    SJ

    Thanks.

  30. Jerkface November 30th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    I know that because the Yankees declined to offer Derek arbitration there is a cutoff date as to when the Yankees can negotiate with him.

    This used to happen but is no longer the case, it was altered in the CBA

  31. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Keeping in mind that I believe Derek is coming back…

    I remember the same argument about whether or not Jeter could handle being the ss in the lineup in 1996 when Tony Fernandez went down.

    It would be wrong to expect Eduardo Nunez to be Derek Jeter, but I have to admit, during Spring Training when I would see him and Ramiro Pena picking balls with ease and making plays that age had made harder for Derek – I was thinking “man, how can we keep this kid down much longer?”

  32. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Did I read this right?

    Brad Hawpe declined arbitration?

    He made $7.5 million last year. WTH is he thinking?

  33. SoS November 30th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    I guess the most important question of the day is what was Arizona qb anderson laughing at yesterday at the game in a blow out. Inquiry minds want to know.

    Has m aka mel been around lately? Someone tell her I said hi if you see her.

  34. SJ44 November 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    BTW,

    For those who think Derek is broken up by these talks and is nervously waiting by the phone, think again.

    He’s in Miami for Art Basel Week and is in fine form. No worries on his end.

  35. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    GB-you are SO funny. :x

  36. yanks61 November 30th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    austinmac November 30th, 2010 at 2:34 pm -

    A younger, more athletic team is not a bad thing. A six year contract with Crawford still leaves him younger than Jeter is today. Nunez and a veteran SS, utility player can handle the position. I saw the Yankees age in the mid-60s. It is not a pretty sight

    —————————————————–

    I lived it too, austinmac, and I absolutely agree. The Yankee options, at least for now, are still there and in a very real way they may actually not be so bad at all.

  37. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    LGY -

    It was a gentleman’s agreement he had with the Rays when they signed him that they would offer him arbitration and he would turn it down.

  38. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Erin November 30th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    GB-you are SO funny.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    They are Muppet cannibals.

  39. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Chip,

    Oh ok. I figured something else was going on there.

  40. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    SJ -

    I think people are acting like Jeter is some naive kid. Derek’s a savvy businessman – he may not have had to go through negotiations like this recently but he’s seen others deal with them.

    I would find it hard to believe he’s taking any of this personally; my guess is that he’s more or less oblivious to the “contetious nature of the talks”

  41. yanks61 November 30th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    SJ44 November 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    BTW,

    For those who think Derek is broken up by these talks and is nervously waiting by the phone, think again.

    He’s in Miami for Art Basel Week and is in fine form. No worries on his end

    ————————————————————–

    I can well understand, SJ. How bad can life be for Derek when sitting on his bankroll!

  42. Prete Funk Era November 30th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Respect Cashman’s Gangster

  43. Bronx Jeers November 30th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Somewhere around the 12th floor Cash will have re-worked Santa’s contract.

    It will be an incentive laden deal based on the actual number of chimneys descended. No more free rides for Santa.

  44. upstate kate November 30th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Jeers
    will there be cookies and milk bonuses?

  45. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    They are Muppet cannibals.

    *******************
    No such thing. :)

  46. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    LGY -

    It’s a tactic I’m surprised the Yankees don’t employ more often. Austin Kearns, Lance Berkman, Kerry Wood – these are three Type B free agents that the Yankees didn’t offer arbitration to when what they should have done is reached an agreement that they would offer arbitration and have it declined…3 draft picks that the club could have had…

    On the other hand, both Tampa and Boston employed it and are stacking up picks left and right.

  47. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    SJ,

    Are you trying to subtly tell us that a certain player who I shall not refer to by name is attempting to hint he is interested in the Marlins?

  48. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    I’m sure Jeter isn’t worried, if he’s been smart he probably has enough money for five lifetimes. In the end, although I think Jeter is right in this negotiation, I have no vested interest in who ultimately prevails. If Jeter wants to give in and take a three year deal for $15 – 18 million a year. Great, let’s play ball.

  49. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Let the weeping start by the “I Want Marmol Now” contingent.

    •Carlos Marmol confirmed that he and the Cubs are in discussions about a long-term extension, talking to Hoy’s Dionisio Soldevila. “There still isn’t anything, but we’re talking,” Marmol said. “I would like to sign something long and stay with the team.”

    Cano speaks.

    •Derek Jeter’s double-play partner Robinson Cano thinks the shortstop “would retire before he would go to another team,” Cano told Soldevila on his Dominican talk show La Semana Deportiva

  50. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    LGY November 30th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    SJ,

    Are you trying to subtly tell us that a certain player who I shall not refer to by name is attempting to hint he is interested in the Marlins?

    ———————————

    If he was I would certainly be willing to clear up the logjam at SS by taking Han-Ram off their hands for a ultity infielder and minor league relief pitcher – like what they got for Uggla.

  51. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    I’m not a big Marmol fan. He’s RIDICULOUSLY good, his strikeout rate is off the charts but he just walks too many batters in my opinion. He’s just not worth the money he’s going to get..

  52. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Chip:

    Vazquez wanted out and pretty clearly had something else lined up. To much risk otherwise.

  53. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Cano speaks.

    ***************************
    Cano speaks = :D

  54. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Hanley Ramirez is far better than Dan Uggla….

  55. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Chip,

    Kearns wasn’t a Type B.

    To be honest though I would have offered arbitration to him, but that is because I wouldn’t mind him as the 4th OF. He only made 750K last year so I can’t imagine he would have made that much in arb.

    But, if the Yankees are serious about pursuing Hall then I would rather have him than Kearns.

  56. upstate kate November 30th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    GB
    Robbie has his own talk show in the DR? Does Erin know about this?

  57. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Ramirez at nearly 230 pounds is going to be an outfielder within a year – 2 at the most.

  58. Bronx Jeers November 30th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    upstate kate,

    Unfortunately for Santa, cookies and milk are no longer included.

    Of course Santa will argue that it’s his image & legacy that has propelled Christmas to the top of the holiday schedule but Cash isn’t buying it.

    Look what he did to the Easter bunny. He used to be the “King of the Spring” and now he’s doing freelance egg hunts. It’s quite sad.

  59. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    Ramirez at nearly 230 pounds is going to be an outfielder within a year – 2 at the most.

    ———————-

    That’s fine too – Yankees may need a RF in a couple of years anyway.

  60. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    GB7 you’re probably right… Ramirez was barely average in the field in 2008 and 2009 after having horrific defense in 2006 and 2007. Then he went back to being pretty bad in 2010. He loses a lot of value if he has to move off SS…

  61. SJ44 November 30th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Derek is fine. He’s a big boy and this hasn’t gotten personal or acrimonious at all.

    In fact, his last contract negotiation was MUCH more acrimonious than this one.

    That’s why I believe the two sides will come to terms.

  62. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    She does now, Kate. She’ll be working there by next week. By next year, she’ll be sitting in the wives section. She’ll be easy to spot. Erin will be the one holding Bert and Ernie dolls. By the WS, they’ll be replaced by twin boys. Any bets on what their names will be?

  63. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    upstate kate,

    Seems like a bad translation by MLBTR. He was a guest on the show.

    For anyone interested Erin here is the video of the interview.

    http://site.lasemanadeportiva.......php?vid=6

  64. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    “Derek is fine.”

    He’s not, you know, slightly baffled?

  65. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    upstate kate November 30th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
    GB
    Robbie has his own talk show in the DR? Does Erin know about this?

    *********************************
    Best talk show ever!!! :)

  66. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    She does now, Kate. She?ll be working there by next week. By next year, she?ll be sitting in the wives section. She?ll be easy to spot. Erin will be the one holding Bert and Ernie dolls. By the WS, they?ll be replaced by twin boys. Any bets on what their names will be?

    ***********************************

    :lol:

    I love it!!

  67. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    LGY -

    I would prefer someone with a better glove than either Kearns or Hall.

    Keeping in mind that there will be more fourth outfielder types available after Thursday’s non-tender date; right now I would look at a trade for Spillborghs of Colorado, Milledge in Pittsburgh, or signing Reed Johnson

  68. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Thanks for link LGY!! I’m stuck at work at the moment and can’t play it, but that will be the first thing I watch when I get home :)

  69. SoS November 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Does anyone know if C.C. is playing Santa and helping Cash climb down that building?

    How does Pedroia feel about Cashman taking his suit from him?

  70. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Erin, just sit in between Minka Kelly and Cameron Diaz, otherwise. Diaz will be bragging about her having a job and how Kelly is an unemployed “star”.

  71. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    You know, I really am worried about Derek. He should sign a deal quickly. With the Republicans in charge in Congress who knows what will happen to his unemployment benefits…

  72. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    “Keeping in mind that there will be more fourth outfielder types available after Thursday’s non-tender date; right now I would look at a trade for Spillborghs of Colorado”

    Rockies have hung on to that guy like grim death over the years. Seems like there is always a little outside interest, but they’ve refused to move him. Decent guy to have on your team as a 4th OF, who will see a decent amount of AB’s

  73. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    Erin, just sit in between Minka Kelly and Cameron Diaz, otherwise. Diaz will be bragging about her having a job and how Kelly is an unemployed ?star?.

    ******************************

    :lol:

  74. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Erin,

    I hope you speak spanish though :)

    Unless you just want to see what Robbie looks like in offseason form ;)

  75. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    LGY-I’ll probably be able to understand about 5 words. But that’s OK. :)

  76. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    RiverAveBlues RT @YankeesPR: C Gary Sanchez named to 2010 Topps Short Season/Rookie All-Star Team; hit .329 w/ 8HR and 43RBI for GCL and Staten Island

  77. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Erica will be happy. Her PBF may not be unemployed long. Dodgers are have interest in Johnny Damon. The Doggies are looking at catchers, so I have no idea why they’re looking at Varitek.

  78. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Mell -

    I don’t blame them.

    Good glove, decent bat off the bench, doesn’t cost much – what’s not to like?

  79. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    Erica will be happy. Her PBF may not be unemployed long. Dodgers are have interest in Johnny Damon. The Doggies are looking at catchers, so I have no idea why they’re looking at Varitek.

    —————————-

    I didn’t know that the NL adopted the DH.

  80. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Good news on Sanchez, Erin. Nice to see that “barren” Yankee farm system at least has a few weeds growing in the fields. Thank you for the notice.

  81. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Would anyone be interested in taking a flier on Manny Delcarmen?

  82. Bronx Jeers November 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Jamie Moyer’s having Tommy John surgery? At 48?

    Look for him to shut the Yankee offense down sometime in late 2012 with half a century under his belt and with half an arm.

  83. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    GB-my pleasure. :)

  84. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Bronx Jeers -

    I don’t get why Moyer is doing it, but I respect the heck out of him for saying that they’re going to have to tear the uniform off him to get him out of this game.

    Who knows, maybe after TJ he’ll pick up a MPH or two on his fastball – get that sucker up there at 68, 69 mph…

  85. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    LGY -

    I don’t see why not.

    Delcarmen was a good pitcher not too long ago. Going to Coors is generally not a good thing for a pitcher – who knows maybe you pick him up and he rebounds Joakin Benoit/Jose Contreras style.

  86. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    “Would anyone be interested in taking a flier on Manny Delcarmen?”

    I could use a landscaper.

  87. upstate kate November 30th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Moyer has like a hundred kids…he probably likes the peace and quiet of the clubhouse

  88. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Why would they “take a flier” on DelCarmen? He’s not worth a bus ticket, much less a plane ticket,

  89. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Kate -

    Maybe he got screwed by Madoff and needs the money.

  90. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Kate, seems like Mrs. Moyer could use a break, too.

  91. DaSaint007 November 30th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Damon in LF is certainly better than Manny was. Damon can still play relatively well, and still has doubles speed. Could even play a few games in CF. Picture that.

  92. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    GB7 -

    You’re pretty hard on guys who don’t come out of the Yankee system.

    Delcarmen’s a 28-year old who has had some success in the AL East, wouldn’t cost much and may still have some upside in the middle of the pen.

  93. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    DaSaint007 -

    If I was Coletti I would forget about Damon; they can bring back Podsednik at a third of the price, he’s got better range at this point than Damon and they offer about the same in terms of wheels, bat and arm.

  94. Jerkface November 30th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Delcarmen’s a 28-year old who has had some success in the AL East, wouldn’t cost much and may still have some upside in the middle of the pen.

    Walks too many and doesn’t strike out enough. I would give him a spring training invite. Or a minor league spot.

  95. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    “Delcarmen’s a 28-year old who has had some success in the AL East, wouldn’t cost much and may still have some upside in the middle of the pen”

    Flat fastball, increased propensity for throwing the gopher ball, and declining control. Couldn’t throw a strike that didn’t get crushed last year. He’s a couple years removed from being anywhere close to effective.

  96. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Anyone wonder where Manny’s going to wind up this year?

    Do you think Manny even knows he’s a free agent?

  97. Melkmanisinhotlanta November 30th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    It’s a sham to qualify Jeter or any of the players as athletes. They are businessmen plain and simple. It’s all about the almighty dollar, big houses, big cars, women etc. etc. and that’s that. So next time you watch them live or on tv, keep that perspective in mind.

  98. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Delcarman was decemt 4 years ago. What was his excuse before being traded to Colorado?

    Aren’t you one of those always whining about what a lousy pitcher Chamerlain is?

    http://www.baseball-reference......ma01.shtml

  99. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Chip,

    Don’t mind GB. He gets cranky this time of day. When only 2% of baseball is better than pretty good you are hard to please.

    He threw 74 innings in 2008 and then in 2009 his velo dropped from from 95.8 to 93.9 and then to 93.1 last year.

    If he can crank it back up to 94-96 who knows. Just crossed my mind b/c I just saw the Rockies are not likely to bring him back.

  100. filthy slider November 30th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    the only thing that will save the Yankee off season is the rope snapping

  101. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    “Delcarman was decemt 4 years ago.”

    —————————

    He had a 3.27 ERA in 2008 and a 2.05 ERA in 2007.

    Are you even capable of arguing a point without making stuff up?

  102. Bronx Jeers November 30th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Chip,

    I read that John Franco was the oldest player to have the surgery at 40.

    He pitched 95 innings in 3 seasons after.

  103. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    You’d better look at the rest of the numbers…like walks, hits allowed and ERAs.

  104. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Theriot to the Cardinals per MLBTR

  105. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Face,

    Yeah, that’s all I was thinking.

    I am not sure if some team will step up and give him a ML contract, but if you can get him on an mL contract I would take a shot.

  106. upstate kate November 30th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    ok, there have been many funny posts this afternoon, but I have to say my favorite is Chip’s “do you think Manny even knows he is a free agent?”

  107. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    Delcarman was decemt 4 years ago. What was his excuse before being traded to Colorado?

    Aren’t you one of those always whining about what a lousy pitcher Chamerlain is?

    —————

    I don’t whine about Joba not being a good pitcher – I whine about Joba being ruined by the Yankees who couldn’t decide what role to use him in.

    I still believe Joba could be a very good pitcher as either a starter or a closer but since he’s not going to be either of those things in New York I would love for them to trade him before he officially becomes Aaron Heilman.

  108. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Mell November 30th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
    Theriot to the Cardinals per MLBTR

    ——————–

    Absolutely great pick up for the Cards.

    They can move Schumacher back into CF where he belongs and play Theriot at 2b or keep Shumacher at 2nd and replace Brendan Ryan at SS with Theriot.

  109. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    “You’d better look at the rest of the numbers…like walks, hits allowed and ERAs”

    His ’07 and ’08 numbers were fine. 2.81 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 6.3 hits per 9, 8.6 K’s, 3.4 BB’s.

    After that he was absolute shyte across the board.

  110. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    “You’d better look at the rest of the numbers…like walks, hits allowed and ERAs.”

    ———————————

    2007: 44 IP, 2.05 ERA, 1.023 WHIP, 28 H, 17 BB, 41 Ks. AVG FB velo: 94.7

    2008: 74.1 IP, 3.27 ERA, 1.117 WHIP, 55 H, 28 BB, 72 Ks, AVG FB velo: 95.8

    Just admit, you made it up. :lol:

  111. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    The decision on Chamberlain would have been made if it weren’t for other pitchers injuries and if he’d won the job last spring.

  112. Jerkface November 30th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    LGY, go easy on GB7, he looked at BB-Ref, didn’t understand what he saw and mistook the 2 team splitout for 2010 as 2 extra years.

  113. Jerkface November 30th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    The internet is strange and confusing for older folk, no harm done.

  114. LGY November 30th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    You’re right Face. I take it back. ;)

  115. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Kate –

    Thank you.

    I really wonder though. Does Manny know that he’s not signed for next year? I’m not entirely sure he does.

    And it brings me back to my original question – who the heck is going to sign him?

    Would San Fran go that route and live with the fact that he can’t field – I mean offensively he’ll be an upgrade over Pat the Bat and defensively it’s a wash, but would they go there?

    What about the Phillies – small park; move Ibanez to RF and let Man-Ram play LF and then pay Victorino a huge raise for all the ground he’s going to have to cover between them?

    Rangers as a DH to replace Vladdy?

    Yankees – just for fun and games?

  116. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    He’s pitched in more than just the 2007 and 2008 seasons, or don’t those count. How about 2006, 2009 and 2010?

  117. Mell November 30th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    “They can move Schumacher back into CF where he belongs”

    Isn’t Rasmus their CF? Not sure Schumacher is a true everyday guy.

  118. pat November 30th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    ok, there have been many funny posts this afternoon, but I have to say my favorite is Chip?s ?do you think Manny even knows he is a free agent??

    When $2M a month stops showing up in the bank account I would imagine you notice.

  119. Jerkface November 30th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    He’s pitched in more than just the 2007 and 2008 seasons, or don’t those count. How about 2006, 2009 and 2010?

    You said , go back 4 years and then he was decent, thats 2006, where he had a 5 era. Don’t back peddle, you just misinterpreted what you saw. Its ok, it happens to most people who trust their eyes over the data.

  120. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    The decision on Chamberlain would have been made if it weren’t for other pitchers injuries and if he’d won the job last spring.

    ———————————

    What other pitcher injuries? They moved Joba around like a pawn the last few years; sacrificed real ball games to try and stretch him out into a starter then put him back in the pen and eventually put him in a mop up role behind Robertson, Wood and Rivera.

    He had less of a chance to win a starting job with the Yankees last spring than I did. The Yankees wanted Hughes back in the rotation and the competition was over before it even started – I don’t blame them mind you – I just think they jerked this kid around and now his head is so screwed up he doesn’t know which way is up.

    Trade him to an organization that will give him a defined role and stick with it.

  121. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    The decision on Chamberlain would have been made if it weren’t for other pitchers injuries and if he’d won the job last spring.

    This is just my opinion but Chamberlain would have made it if Chamberlain wanted it enough. He has the talent, he’s been given opportunities, he just has to take advantage of both.

    Part of the blame for his failure is indeed with the Yankees; they were impatient with him. They called him up way too early and they gave up on him as a starter WAAAYYY too early. Just a terrible job by Yankee management, to the point of incompetence. But the fact remains, Joba would have succeeded (and still can) if he takes advantage of his opportunities.

  122. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Mell -

    Rasmus is, I think, better suited for RF than CF. He came up in CF because of Ludwick in RF and Holliday in LF.

    As for Shumacher not being an everyday guy – he has to be better than John Jay who is their other OF option now that Ludwick is gone.

  123. Jerkface November 30th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    This is just my opinion but Chamberlain would have made it if Chamberlain wanted it enough. He has the talent, he’s been given opportunities, he just has to take advantage of both.

    My biggest issue with Joba is that the Yankees put him in the BP too soon to try and make the playoffs in 2007. It got everyone on the ‘Joba as a reliever’ bandwagon. That was my only issue with what the yankees did development wise. 2008 was fine.

    The issue was after he left with tendonitis in texas, he just wasn’t the same, and when he was given ‘short outings’ to limit his innings he NEVER took advantage. If you know you only have 60 pitches, empty the tank! He threw away all those starts. He sucked too bad for it to be something related to any kind of joba rules.

    It was literally impossible for him to throw 4 scoreless innings or even 2.

  124. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Jerkface,

    Yeah I agree but it’s also absurd to me that the Yankees gave up on him as a starter so fast. He had one bad year so that’s it? RIdiculous.

  125. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    chamberlain was put where ever he was needed. He relieved in 2007 after starting all year in Scranton. In 2008 he started and relieved. In 2009, he started. He relieved in 2010. Look at the injuries in the 2008 rotation and the patchwork staff they used. If he had done better in ST this past year, he would have been the #5 starter. That one was on him.

  126. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Chamberlain now has a defined role. He’s in the pen. Not much difference between the 7th and 8th innings

  127. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    SI_JonHeyman pettitte pal: “only way he doesnt go back to the #yankees is if they offer something insulting.” tho andy hasnt told them hes still playing

  128. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....tove113010

    Greinke would wave no-trade clause to come to the Yankees. Yankees-Royals talking trade. Gotta imagine this is meant to push Lee a bit. Not sure how wise that is.

  129. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    Chamberlain now has a defined role. He’s in the pen. Not much difference between the 7th and 8th innings

    ——————————

    There is a huge difference! And what’s more, last I looked Joba was pitching in the 6th inning not the 7th or the 8th.

    The difference is in value. Joba Chamberlain was supposed to be something special. An ACE number one pitcher coming up; then the “man who would be Rivera” then well maybe a solid mid rotation starter and now what…the most talked about middle reliever in baseball.

    The Yankees in 3 years by moving him around the way they did and not actually giving him the chance to develop in one role; didn’t just drop his value they demolished it. When he came up he could have been traded straight up for a Matt Kemp or a Justin Upton. The Yankees could have built a trade package around him and some lower prospects for a Zack Greinke or Gavin Floyd; now if you included him, sure a team would take him, but no one is offering you anything of real value for Joba and in his role as a middle relief pitcher in the 6th or 7th inning his value isn’t going to increase in the slightest. Certainly not back to the level it once was at.

  130. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Or more likely meant to spook Rangers as Greinke is likely Nolan Ryan’s Plan B after Lee

  131. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    I doubt the Yankees would be willing to give up what it takes to get Greinke. And that’s far from proof that he would be willing to come to NY. It’s just some anonymous source.

  132. Chip November 30th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Coney1,

    The Yankees don’t have the assets to get a trade done for Greinke.

    Actually, let me rephrase that – they do have the assets but they aren’t guys the Yankees would want to part with.

    To get Greinke you’re talking about probably having to offer up:

    Hughes, Gardner, Montero and another A-list prospect – that’s a heck of a price to pay and I don’t see how it helps the Yankees.

    Yes, Greinke would be huge here; but you’re creating a lot of other holes to get him.

    Sure, NY could always go big money – do a deal like that and then sign Crawford to replace Brett in LF and still sign Lee as well for the rotation. Then go out and get a Miguel Olivo to work behind the plate or put Jorge back there for another year and sign Adam Dunn as the DH.

    I don’t see that happening though.

  133. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    I dunno if it would cost Hughes AND Montero AND Gardner but I doubt the Yankees would want to give up Hughes OR Montero for Greinke. Those are two cornerstones for the franchise going forward, the Yanks can’t afford to let them go.

    The next best thing would be something like Banuelos, Adams, Romine and another prospect which is something the Royals would definitely say NO to.

  134. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Chip,

    Not going to argue with you there. Personally I’d hate to see Zack in pinstripes. I think he would be Jeff Weaver 2.0 or 3.0 if you count Carl Pavano or Javier Vazquez. I’m just reporting what I read. IMO, Lee is a Yankee by next Thursday.

  135. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Patrick,

    They wanted Montero for Soria. They will certainly want him for Greinke. If the Royals trade Zack, they should probably trade Soria as well and that is where I could see Brian Cashman using some of the young arms (not named Banuelos or Betances) to bring in some pitching help.

  136. Jerkface November 30th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    I wouldn’t trade for Greinke, not elite enough to warrant the price that is bandied around.

  137. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    In one of the links, how other teams dealt wish franchise icons monetarily.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....try-1.html

    “Ripken: never materially cut.

    Barry Larkin: Like Jeter, he was 36 in 2000 and coming off a down year when the Reds, after nearly trading him to the Mets (Larkin vetoed a potential deal), handed him a 76 percent raise ($27 million over his age 37, 38 and 39 years). It wasn’t until Larkin was 40, entering his final year, when they cut his pay.

    George Brett: When he was 34 the Royals gave him a “lifetime” contract that included a stake in one of owner Avron Fogelman’s apartment buildings and a seven-year personal services contract when he was done playing. When he was 38, they reworked the deal to double his pay in his age 38, 39 and 40 seasons.

    Craig Biggio: The Astros did cut his pay when he was 36 and coming off a down year, from $8 million (the last year of a three-year, $28 million deal) to $3 million for the next two. But when Biggio was 40 and 41, they handed him a pay raise each year, to $4 million and then to $5.15 million.

    Paul Molitor: He was 36 when the Brewers wanted to cut his pay after the 1992 season. He left for a three-year deal with a 27 percent raise from the Blue Jays. Molitor went on to get 1,038 more hits after he left Milwaukee — including number 3,000.

    All of those icons, three of whom (Brett, Molitor and Ripken) are already in the Hall of Fame and two who have a good chance to get there, played in small markets with nothing close to New York’s resources or pattern of excess spending. And how did they fare past their age 36 seasons? The results are mixed. Here are the years they played after 36 and the average number of games played, batting average and adjusted OPS in those sunset years:”

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    take it for what it’s worth.

  138. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    They wanted Montero for Soria. They will certainly want him for Greinke. If the Royals trade Zack, they should probably trade Soria as well and that is where I could see Brian Cashman using some of the young arms (not named Banuelos or Betances) to bring in some pitching help.

    Yeah exactly… the Yankees cannot give up Hughes or Montero right now (for anyone) and the Royals will demand one or both. In my opinion Greinke would be good on the Yanks but not for that price.

  139. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 30th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Erin November 30th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    SI_JonHeyman pettitte pal: “only way he doesnt go back to the #yankees is if they offer something insulting.” tho andy hasnt told them hes still playing

    ____________________________________________________________
    Im choosing to ignore most of this sentence and focus on “pettitte, back to the yankees” ;)

  140. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Person close to Pettitte says the Rangers haven’t talked to the Yanks pitcher outside of initial exchange following ALCS.

    KenDavidoff Casey Close is meeting with Derek Jeter in Florida to mull things over. #Yankees are awaiting further communication from Jeter.

  141. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Patrick,

    I would give up Montero for King Felix or David Price which we know is not happening on either front so it’s a moot point.

  142. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    not gaining anything by trading Hughes for Greinke, and losing a ton by adding montero.

  143. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Erin,

    That’s good news on the Jeter front. I’m fairly certain Pettitte, Jeter, Rivera, and Lee will all be signed by the 12th.

  144. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Patrick,

    I would give up Montero for King Felix or David Price which we know is not happening on either front so it’s a moot point.

    I’m talking about realistic deals.

  145. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    heyman’s response to the Davidoff tweet re: Jeter-

    SI_JonHeyman its derek’s move but 45 for 3 isnt #yankees final play.

  146. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    Erin,

    That?s good news on the Jeter front. I?m fairly certain Pettitte, Jeter, Rivera, and Lee will all be signed by the 12th.

    ****************************
    I hope you’re right! :)

  147. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Ken Rosenthal tweets that Close and Jeter will discuss talking to other clubs.

  148. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Ken Rosenthal tweets that Close and Jeter will discuss talking to other clubs.

    Good.. then they can realize that the Yankees original offer is a pretty significant overpay.

  149. SJ44 November 30th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    LOL @ talking to other clubs.

    What does Rosenthal think Close has done the last two weeks? That’s all he’s bedn doing.

    He will bring Jeter up to speed on those talks and then resume talking to the Yankees.

  150. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Patrick,

    Frankly, as much as I love Jeter, I wouldn’t be distraught if he walked. I certainly don’t have faith that Nunez is the solution but I wouldn’t mind getting younger and cheaper with a guy like J.J. Hardy who is also a great clubhouse guy and a tremendous defender and would probably give them the same offense as Jeter at this stage of his career. The offense needs to get younger year by year. That will happen more next year when Posada’s leaving unclogs the DH spot for A-Rod.

  151. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    Ken Rosenthal tweets that Close and Jeter will discuss talking to other clubs.

    *************************
    I’m sure that will be a short discussion.

  152. 108 stitches November 30th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Chamberlain is what he is until he realizes the need to keep in good physical condition and repeat his mechanics.

  153. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    SJ44,

    Never really like Rosenthal and his smug mug on Fox and MLB Network. Kinda reminds me of a wannabe Costas or Lupica.

  154. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    J.J. Hardy is not good, why would you want him?

    Unless the Yankees are trading for a top SS, they need Jeter.

  155. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 November 30th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    No other teams are really gunna show any interest in Derek because they know he’s not leaving, which is fine with me.

  156. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    If KLong can figure Hardy out, he might get back to that 20 HR guy from his Milwaukee days. Other names to consider, Alexei Ramirez and Stephen Drew. Kevin Towers would want a lot for Drew but IMO his best days are ahead of him.

  157. ac1 November 30th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Grienke changed his tune about the potential to be traded to the Yankees? of course, why would a good pitcher on a bad team not want to play for a good team? Didn’t make sense, anxiety disorder or not.

  158. Bret The Hitman November 30th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne…..tove113010

    Greinke would wave no-trade clause to come to the Yankees. Yankees-Royals talking trade. Gotta imagine this is meant to push Lee a bit. Not sure how wise that is.

    *********

    WELL I’LL BE DIPPED IN BUTTERMILK!!!

  159. Erin November 30th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Just flipped my calendar at work-so you’re all aware, tomorrow begins Mariano Rivera month. Good planning, calendar people, to have Mo close out the year :)

  160. Bret The Hitman November 30th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    The Royals have continued to talk about Greinke with the Yankees, according to a source, knowing that the no-trade clause isn’t the impediment it’s been made out to be.

    *************

    HOLY SMOKES!!!

  161. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    SJ44 you don’t know what Close has been doing. No one does except the parties involved.

  162. coney1 November 30th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    SJ44 does know his stuff and he knows how these negotiations work, probably more so than anyone else on this board sans Chad.

  163. Yanks78 November 30th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    ac1,

    Exactly.

    Just like in previous years, Oswalt and Berkman were adamant about not wanting to play on the East Coast. Berkman was quoted a couple of years ago that he wouldn’t play in NY.

    Things changed obviously when they realized the East Coast was their only shot at a ring…. Greinke probably feels the same way… ain’t winning rings in Minnesota or whevever he wants to go…

  164. Bret The Hitman November 30th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    GREINKE GREINKE GREINKE!!!

    Montero + Gardner + Betances/Brackman + JOBA/NOVA

    SIGN CRAWFORD!!!

  165. SJ44 November 30th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Please stop the nonsense west coast.

    I’ve been in this business my entire life.

    I know what agents do during free agency.

    Just because you don’t, there is no need to project your lack of knowledge on others.

    I know the parties involved and the process.

  166. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Maybe a pipe dream but – my strong preference would be to sign Lee and Greinke if possible and let Pettitte go home and watch his son play. You cannot have too much top level pitching. The Yankees can certainly afford it with Pettitte’s salary this year and Posada’s next year, etc.

    Sabathia
    Lee
    Greinke
    Hughes
    Burnett

    OH MY!

  167. Bret The Hitman November 30th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    DEMOLITION!!!

    :lol:

  168. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    SJ44 November 30th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Please stop the nonsense west coast. I’ve been in this business my entire life. I know what agents do during free agency. Just because you don’t, there is no need to project your lack of knowledge on others. I know the parties involved and the process.

    *********
    Then please pardon my ignorance I had no idea. So who are you and what business have you been in? And what parties do you know? I was unaware you were an insider. Please clue me in.

  169. RhapsodyInBlue November 30th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Casey Close calling Jeter from the fortress of solitude.

    All is quiet in the war room all lines are open.

  170. SJ44 November 30th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Here is how Derek Jeter conducts his business West Coast……

    He tells Casey to go out and do his job and say NOTHING publicly until he runs it by Jeter first.

    Derek doesn’t want to read quotes about himself in these negotiations unless he knows what it’s going to be.

    Casey does what EVERY agent does during free agency. Makes and accepts calls to gauge interest in his client.

    He will then sit down with Derek, review what’s he’s got, and then they will determine their next move.

    It’s really not rocket science. It’s what agents do with their clients during free agency.

    Some players (Arod for example), want to be informed each day on what’s happening during their free agency.

    Others, like Derek, prefer to live their lives and be updated at specified times.

    Different strokes for different folks.

    In the end though, the agents jobs are pretty much the same.

    How and when they update their clients is what differs.

  171. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    SJ44 you don’t know what Close has been doing. No one does except the parties involved.

    I’ve doubted SJ44 in the past. I recommend that you don’t make the same mistake; more times than not, he’s right.

  172. hardwired7 November 30th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Cashman should approach his negotiations w/Pettitte judiciously (so as not to offend him.) Maybe an approach like this?:

    “Andy, we’d like to offer $13M for next season, and have I mentioned lately how radiant you look? You work out, don’t you?”

  173. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    SJ44 – I am not asking generally who you are and what expertise you have, I think it’s great and a benefit to this blog. So what are you willing to share?

    And FYI. I am not in the sports world but I am an agent in another industry. I am not saying it’s the same, but I certainly know what agents do and how they go about it although the dynamics are different with everyone of my clients depending upon how much they choose to be involved and other personal preferences.

  174. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Patrick I am not doubting anyone, I had no idea.

  175. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Patrick I am not doubting anyone, I had no idea.

    You seem pretty antagonistic to me.. I’m just warning you that SJ44 knows what he talks about when it comes to the business of baseball so you probably shouldn’t call him out. But its just advice, do whatever you please.

  176. West Coast Yankee Fan November 30th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Patrick – Really? Did you read what I wrote? “I think it’s great and a benefit to this blog” and “I am not doubting anyone, I had no idea”.

  177. Tom in N.J. November 30th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    SJ is tried and true when it comes to sharing info on this board.

  178. GreenBeret7 November 30th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Not sure that there’s much business for the agent of Baretta’s bird anymore.

  179. Patrick November 30th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Patrick – Really? Did you read what I wrote? “I think it’s great and a benefit to this blog” and “I am not doubting anyone, I had no idea”.

    Maybe I misunderstood the tone of your words..

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