Curry: Tuesday a “vital development” for Jeter and Yankees
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 01, 2010 
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Good stuff today from a very good writer and reporter. Jack Curry has some of the details of yesterday’s meeting between Derek Jeter and the Yankees brass, writing that the meeting was requested by Jeter, and the tone was “respectful and polite.”
Although Jeter and the Yankees didn’t come close to an agreement on Tuesday, people who have been briefed on the discussion said it was a vital development in the negotiations.
Given the tone of the previous week, simply getting in the same room and saying things that needed to be said feels like a significant step. Maybe not one that moved the two sides any closer, but certainly a step that had to be made before anything could move forward.
A few links and notes from the day…
• If the Yankees increased their offer to Derek Jeter, it likely wasn’t by much. Jon Heyman says close to $50 million over three years.
• The Rangers met again with Cliff Lee, and Ian Kinsler is trying to convince the lefty to stay in Texas.
• Jayson Stark talked to two executives who still expect Lee to sign with the Yankees. He also looks into the pitching market beyond Lee.
• The Athletics are showing significant interest in Lance Berkman. The short-term Yankees DH is also drawing significant interest from the Rockies.
• The Red Sox have met with Carl Crawford and could make a serious push for the left fielder. Stark also mentioned that the Angels are in on Crawford.
• Not sure how I messed up the post this afternoon — tried to post around 2, and the post itself went to 8:44 — but Cashman released a statement about his plan to rappel down a building this weekend:
“I’m a Stamford guy, and it’s an honor to participate in such a special Holiday family event for the community,” Cashman said. “‘Heights and Lights’ is designed to draw the people of Stamford and its surrounding neighborhoods together, drum up interest in its downtown businesses and celebrate the holiday season.
“I’ve been leaving milk and cookies for Santa for some time now, but this year I wanted to take a more active role in assisting him. As an elf, you have to be willing to build toys, wrap presents, prepare reindeer for flight, or rappel off buildings for Santa. I take my role as an elf seriously because there are a lot of children out there counting on him.”
Associated Press photo
What’s interesting to me in the Curry article is the last sentence:
“As the parties separated on Tuesday, they agreed to be creative in trying to forge an agreement and agreed to speak again soon”.
I’ve always believed that when two parties who “want to make a deal” are that far apart, they need to think outside the square and be creative to get to a win-win. If that’s the direction they are headed, call me very optimistic.
Well, if nothing else, Cashman’s about the right size to be a big elf. Maybe he should get Theo Epstein to loan his elf to Cashman to help out.
Re-post:
Very interesting LA Tiimes blog about Brett Gardner trying to get onto the College of Charleston baseball team.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.co…..team-.html
His father had to literally beg the college to let Brett on the team!
Here is the link again:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.co.....team-.html
I found this buried on ESPN.com under “Contract Clause of the Week”.
“As loyal reader Brian Hamilton reports, the Phillies just included a $25,000 Silver Slugger incentive clause in Jose Contreras’ new contract. They can’t be too nervous about having to pay off that one. Contreras’ lifetime “offensive” numbers: 0-for-29, with 18 strikeouts”.
Now that’s entertainment!
MTU:
How are the ‘mops’ with the cold ? Been in the mid 20’s out here this week in the mornings. Have to use the pitcher of hot water to get rid of the ice in the AM
At least the rhetoric between the two sides has calmed down…….this will get done eventually.
# Betsy December 1st, 2010 at 9:46 pm
At least the rhetoric between the two sides has calmed down…….this will get done eventually.
Was there ever any doubt it wouldn’t?
VY-
They do better than I do. They’re cold weather
dogs.
How’s the little Jack doin’ ?
Carl, no, I never doubted it………They’re still not close, but I am glad the cold war seems to be over.
MTU:
I call him ‘puss fella’ because he likes to sleep in till 10 every day when I am up at 4am. Too boot he nuzzles under the blankets cuz he’s cold, which is how I came up with his nickname. The Springers love the cold and the rain.
# Betsy December 1st, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Carl, no, I never doubted it………They’re still not close, but I am glad the cold war seems to be over.
Yep. I agree.
VY-
Not only cute but smart too !
Repost:
SAS:
Hope you’re doin well. Did you get a chance to enjoy your holiday ? How did you get back out to AZ so quick ?
Nite All.
WCYF,
We are in NY until we find out out whether my son will need additional treatment for his melanoma..maybe a couple of weeks
MTU,
Have a good night.. See you sometime tomorrow
Vineyard,
That response was meant for you not WC
TU:
Thanks, very smart, his actual name is ‘Bandit’ (Bandito) white with black patches. There is a cold snap heading east, been really cold (for out here) every morning for a week.
VY,
I noticed how cold it is in AZ. When everything is clear with my son, we have to drive cross country with our dog…brrrr
SAS:
Sorry to hear that, I saw the posts earlier but had to go out to do some work. I will keep your son and you and your family in my prayers. God Bless.
MLB Network just played a game of player roulette and they (Stan Kasten , Magraine and Williams) said they could see Manny playing for the Yankees.
Said as a rental and when Manny feels a loyalty to or a connection with someone in an organization he is motivated and productive.
Does that person exist in the Yankee organization and would a 1 year clearance bin priced contract for Manny be worth a gamble?
Vineyard Yankee
December 1st, 2010 at 10:34 pm
typo: sorry that should read MTU not TU
SAS:
The dog will keep you warm and ol’e leadfoot will get you there quick fast and in a hurry.
pat
I don’t think so with Posada still under contract.
VY,
Thanks so much
Pat:
Don’t you think that a team more in need of a DH type would sign him first ? To some type of incentive laden contract so he is compelled to porduce and not loaf. The Yankees have a log jam of sorts at DH.
I had always hoped Manny would don the pinstripes one day, but unfortunately I just don’t think its a fit.
The last thing we need is Manny. He’s a cancer and he’s washed up. And as VY says we have a backup at DH. Posada, A-Rod, Jeter,
SAS:
Your welcome, anytime and all the time (prayers that is) Think nothing but good thoughts.
I don’t see the match but NY was where they went on the show and I’m trying to figure out why.
Is the Manny market so bad that he might consider a non-starter incentive laden contract?
“The last thing we need is Manny. He’s a cancer and he’s washed up. And as VY says we have a backup at DH. Posada, A-Rod, Jeter,”
http://joeposnanski.si.com/200.....st-winner/
“He helped turned around the fortunes of one dying franchise. He helped end one of the longest droughts in American sports. He turned around a third team instantly after being traded there. This isn’t like the story of Derek Jeter, who wins every year but always for the New York Yankees. No. Wherever this guy goes, no matter the tradition, no matter curses, no matter anything, his teams win. HIs teams win big.
You could argue based on all this, that this player is the greatest winner of his generation.”
This Jeter thing is really becoming tedious.
LGY:
Definitely not a fit with the attitude or the ‘locks’.
LGY I am coming to the conclusion that you just like conflict! lol That was Manny of a million years ago.
I don’t have any problem with Manny’s attitude. He is a winner, shines on the big stage, incredibly clutch.
With the bases empty: .949 OPS
RISP: 1.049 OPS
Postseason: .937 OPS
Manny Ramirez hit .298 .409 .460 .870 and is 2 years older than Jeter.
“LGY I am coming to the conclusion that you just like conflict! lol That was Manny of a million years ago.”
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What are you talking about? The article was written in 2009.
Manny is tight with A-Rod. He will behave here under General Joe.
He will also outperform Posada from DH.
The Yankees have enough expenses without Manny.
I’m fine with Manny at the right price.
“Definitely not a fit with the attitude or the ?locks?.”
I’d be more concerned at what percent of his prime he still is at the plate.
Sidney Ponson came to NY with the label as being a headache and having attitude problems and was a model citizen. Sometimes people understand what the expectation is and only act as poorly as those around them let them act.
The big question with Manny would be how to enforce the team ‘hair rule’ which the White Sox were apparently unable to do even though they have a similar team rule..
The A’s could sign Manny once they miss out on Berkman and Adam Dunn.
Let’s talk rotation then lineup. CC, Lee, Phil, Andy and AJ. AJ is expensive 5th, but he damn good as a 5th starter. This would be the best rotation in baseball. Yes, better than Gaints and Cards.
If the Yanks can get past egos and put the best lineup in place, it would look like this:
Gardner (Assuming we don’t CC)
Granderson (there might not be a 1/2 double play all year)
Cano (might get 150 RBI with these two ahead of him)
Arod
Tex
Swish
DH or cather
Cather or DH
Jeter
Yanks are best when they run up starter pitch count and get to the pen. Speed up front adds pitching pressure, Cano hits, Arod drives. Heck we might get to Tex in the 1st inning alot of nights, then Swish’s patience. We might average 30 pitch in the 1st inning. Thoughts?
If there is one great positive about having Jeter on the team it’s that head cases are more likely to buy into the program with him around.
Eroc
December 1st, 2010 at 11:27 pm
Manny is tight with A-Rod. He will behave here under General Joe.
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How tight ? Hmmmmm…………… They can probably have late nite ‘roid’ parties at some Manhattan bar.
Manny the pompous a** will probably be looking for $ 20 mil. a year again. Jeter would be overjoyed by that one.
I’m seeing tweets that the Yanks have agreed to terms with…………………Hold on to your hats………..
Sergio Mitre!!!!!!!!!
900,000 with incentives that could earn him an extra 200,000.
Woopdie doo….
And why?
Chad Moeller on an extension at AAA ? ? ?
Boredom strikes again. Manny? Come on now. That’s all we need, a fat, lazy, washed up lunatic.
“The big question with Manny would be how to enforce the team ?hair rule? which the White Sox were apparently unable to do even though they have a similar team rule..”
Keeping the hair a cetrtain length could be a condition of employment in a contract.
Mitre link
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....um=twitter
Manny is my favorite non-Yankee player.
I got my hopes up after 2008 when he was a FA, but just can’t imagine it this time around because of Posada taking over at DH.
Mitre is a dog who Cashman and Girardi think will rebound from TJS and be a # 3 or # 4 SP. Keep dreaming.
Mitre? Competition for Lee perhaps if he has a rough spring?
Did Mitre kick your dog? You may not like him as a player, but to call him a dog is ridiculously non-factual.
“Boredom strikes again. Manny? Come on now. That’s all we need, a fat, lazy, washed up lunatic.”
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How can you call arguably the best hitter of this generation fat and lazy?
Manny has one of the best work ethics in the game. The man prepares more and studies hitting more than just about everybody.
Do you even think before you post this stuff?
OK Pat, Manny has never cut it before so now he is a special case with the NYY and has to have a team rule reiteriated in a contract ?
It would be easier to perform a ‘code red’ on his dome piece after he has been out with ARod until the sun comes up. CC can hold him down while Swish gives him a new doo. LOL !
Yes, a ‘dog’, as in a pitcher who is best suited to tossing BP.
Ah, your own definition.
LGY – not playing your game tonight. Knock yourself out with the Manny nonsense.
Or they a 1-time exception for Manny that he can keep his braids.
What game??
The game in which you pretend that a 138 OPS+ player isn’t washed up.
Come on, LGY, what’s up with you?
Opinions vary.
Facts don’t.
First of all, I don’t want Manny, but can you see him with a helmet big enough for his locks so he keeps with Yankee rules…hahaha etc.
Whatever facts you got are great, the chances of signing ‘Manny the Clown’ are slim and none. Moot point.
If they kept Matsui’s helmets, then they don’t have to get new ones for him.
Signing Mitre to me indicates that Aceves may not be ready. Some veteran has to be long reliever/spot starter. Hey,he can always get released, but actually he didn’t do that bad last season.
I don’t care if they sign Manny or not, but WCYF said he’s washed up. It’s not true.
“…actually he didn’t do that bad last season.”
A 129 ERA+, but facts don’t matter, so…
I said 2 times while I would love to have Manny I just don’t see where he fits.
That doesn’t mean though I won’t correct untrue statements made about him especially considering he is one of my all time favorite baseball players.
It’s true if I am the GM Rich. I wouldn’t touch him, I think he’s done.
WCYF
Based on what though?
I think this is a good scenario about Manny and The Yankees:
Priorities:
1. Jeter
2. Mo
3. Cliff Lee
4. Andy
5. Another RP, preferably a LHP
6. Bench Players
7. ? ? ? Manny ? ? ?
Unless h\Hal calls a emergency ‘summit meeting’ of the Yankee brass and revises the ‘budget’ and the priorities for 2011, Manny is a ‘no thought’.
BOSTON (AP) — A baseball official says the Boston Red Sox have met with free agent outfielder Carl Crawford.
The Red Sox are targeting Crawford as the centerpiece of their offseason shopping. A major-league official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the meeting, confirmed that it took place.
Fellas, its called insurance. Remember that you can NEVER have enough pitching.
If Lee is signed, the rotation becomes CC, Lee, Hughes, AJ, and Andy.
If Lee is not, then Mitre could compete with Nova either as the #5 or as the long man out of the pen.
If Nova wins the #5 spot, then Mitre is in the pen or vice versa.
Regardless, it’s locking up options at a very reasonable price. Options.
TBrownYahoo Tim Brown
Red Sox keeping busy: Meeting with Boras on Thursday to talk Beltre and Werth.
At least the signing of Mitre will have some value……………he can keep Joba company in the pen.
I told you Rich. I think he’s a cancer on a team. He’s fat, lazy, and old. That’s enough for me.
NTTAWWT
WCYF
Based on what though?
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Jeter and Manny are going to freaky friday their hitting ability next season
I told you Rich. I think he’s a cancer on a team. He’s fat, lazy, and old. That’s enough for me.
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But the boy can hit.
WCYF
None of that means he’s washed up.
I get it, you don’t want him. Fine. That doesn’t mean he can’t help some team win.
WCYF
Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.
Pitcher Sergio Mitre agrees to $900,000 deal with Yankees. Could earn $200,000 more in incentives.
about 1 hour ago via web
.jcrasnick
It’s good to see that Theo is busy ‘thinking’ about what he should do and whom to target. A bidding war between the Angels and the Sux for Crawford would be great.
He can’t hit. 9 home runs and 42 RBI’s in 2010 is not hitting. He has a good OBP and I don’t need that from my DH. His OPS was the lowest since he was 21 years old.
I just gave you the facts that are important to me.
Og, did I mention his SLG was the lowest since he was 21?
Let’s review – Manny Ramirez:
1. Fat
2. Lazy
3. Old
4. Disruptive
5. Paltry 9 home runs and 42 RBI’s in 2010.
6. 2010 OPS was the lowest since he was 21 years old.
7. 2010 SLG was the lowest since he was 21 years old.
Taking on Manny is like taking on Ruth when he ended up with the Braves in 1935.