Surgery for Aceves and Gardner
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 01, 2010 
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Just when Alfredo Aceves seemed to be coming back from his lower-back injury, he’s undergone surgery to repair a broken left clavicle, the result of a bicycle accident in Mexico.
Aceves had the surgery yesterday at New York-Presbyterian. It was performed by team physician Dr. Christopher Ahmad. Aceves has been prescribed six weeks of rest and will need a total of three months for a full rehabilitation. At least it’s his left side, not his right.
Brett Gardner is also undergoing surgery. Gardner is scheduled for surgery next Tuesday, December 7, also at New York-Presbyterian. He’s undergoing a procedure for right wrist tendinitis — he’s had wrist trouble for a while — and is expected to be ready for the start of spring training.
That is not exactly enhancing Gardner’s trade value. In fact, I’d say that eliminates him.
Get ready for the flood of “I don’t trust Gardner to be ready by ST and be in shape before mid-season. Sign Crawford IMMEDIATELY”, [psts that are sure to follow.
Prior to today, I have been disgusted with Derek Jeter, or at least, his agent’s behavior.
Jeter wanted to be paid as one of the best shortstops in the game a decade ago. Now he wants to be paid as an icon. Ludicrous. He never once took less money to help the Yankees.
Jeter will resign with the Yankees at what the Yankees deem appropriate. Otherwise, Jeter will have valued himself above the Yankees. And no player is bigger than the New York Yankees.
However, even worse than Jeter is his personal trainer Jason Riley. I am good friends with Jason Riley, but I am disgusted with his comments that Jeter could play until he’s 43. By saying that, Riley is just trying to grow his own brand, “the Jason Riley brand.”
What Riley should say is: “I love Derek Jeter. Jeter is a great friend of mine and is a Hall of Famer. But at age 38, a player coming off his worst career season is likely in decline, unless he’s roided up like Barry Bonds. If I were the New York Yankees, I would give Jeter $10 million a year because that’s what he is worth at the most. Sorry Derek, you know I love ya, but that’s the truth.”
I don’t trust Gardner to be ready by ST and be in shape before mid-season. Sign Crawford IMMEDIATELY
Thanks for writing it out for me.
whoever keeps poking needles into the Alfredo Aceves voodoo doll, please stop. we need him.
.283 .348 .387 .736
.157 .272 .214 .486
.295 .358 .386 .744
.290 .412 .376 .789
.260 .313 .351 .664
.342 .448 .492 .939
Here are two sets of numbers
Batting 1st
Batting 2nd
Leading off an Inning
Top is Jeter, Bottom is Gardner. Jeter did not do well batting second this year, and you can’t bat Gardner leadoff without moving Jeter to 2.
Glad that GGBG should be good to go by spring training.
That’s too bad about Ace though.
Brains are also a prerequisite for a successful ballplayer.
As far as Aceves…at least it was the left and not the right. Still almost no pitching for the better part of a year. Hopefully, Santa Claus brings him a STATIONARY bike for Christmas.
If he walked more and got 150 hits and was more aggressive on the bases, that would be the improvement he needs. BTW, he just had surgery for wrist tendinitis, maybe that will help.
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So you want him to become Barry Bonds?? He doesn’t need to walk more, his isolated discipline is already tops in the league. It’d be awesome if he did but I wouldn’t hold him to it.
As for 150 hits? He managed 142 in only 478 ABs. Give him the 700 plate appearances Jeter gets in the 1 hole and he will have 150 hits.
hardwired7 December 1st, 2010 at 4:01 pm
whoever keeps poking needles into the Alfredo Aceves voodoo doll, please stop. we need him.
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No kidding!
At least it was his non-throwing clavicle.
Moving Jeter to second after this Winter’s myth breaking assault on the Capt. should be no problem.
Maybe they should drop him to the 7th spot in a platoon with Grandy for starters.
GB,
I know you were laughing about other folks saying we need to get Crawford now. I don’t say that, but I do say wrists can be tricky since there are so many tiny bones, as well as complex ligaments and tendons. Exhibit A is Nick Johnson. I do recognize the Johnson fragility factor. Let’s hope Gardner has better surgical results.
Gardner projects out for over 200 hits with jeter’s AB’s.
PeteAbe
Hank “Fredo” Steinbrenner is making comments and predictions again. Good news for the other 29 teams.
I’m all for Jeter batting lower in the lineup.
Bat Cano 3rd too.
He had 132 hits, 100 singles. It is worth seeing if he can develop but if he stays the same they eventually let him go IMO.
so confusing…posts to the left, posts to the right…good thing we have Erin to keep track
Cano will def bat 3rd. Tex 5th. This might wake Tex up in the spring.
mick – would you have “eventually let go” of ichiro under the same pretenses? He averages roughly 75% of his hits being singles as well.
teixeira being much more of a “power hitter” than cano will keep him batting 3rd, and robbie batting 5th. cano doesn’t need the protection. teixeira would get walked at a ridiculous rate with only jorge/granderson/swisher batting behind him.
So he’ll be back in May.
So, Sabathia, Posada, Aceves and Gardner all have had (or in Gardner’s case will have) surgery this off-season. Hopefully that’s it! lol
If Gardner doesn’t show progression as a ballplayer they will not resign him as FA in 2015. Arb is 2012 what happens then?
upstate kate December 1st, 2010 at 4:11 pm
so confusing?posts to the left, posts to the right?good thing we have Erin to keep track
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happy to be of service.
Mac, as big and strong as N. Johnson is, he has the weakest bones and tedons of anybody anywhere. That guy could pull a muscle taking a bath sitting down. Not only that, but, when he gets hurt, it’s not a twinge, it’s a 1-60 Day DL stay or surgery.
Not really that concerned about Gardner except that his “patience” is making me impatient. Swing at strikes, get on base and run early. The hand injuries though, unless they continue isn’t a real issue, yet. Really wish that runners would learn to slide feet first and not at all into first.
Brett is good as long as he gets on base at a .360-.380 clip. I don’t care how he gets on-singles, doubles, triples, errors, walks, HBP, catcher’s Interference. It’s all the same.
So I take it from the lack of responses that everyone agrees with me.
***15-60 Day DL stay***
He had 132 hits, 100 singles. It is worth seeing if he can develop but if he stays the same they eventually let him go IMO.
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As long as he on bases .380 and steals 40+ and plays the best defense in Center and LF, he will have a spot in baseball. I’m sorry you can’t see the value of someone who doesn’t make outs. Jeter never really hit for much power. I don’t know if you’re aware of this but the major league average for XBH% is 34% and Jeter’s career is at 26%. Gardner is at 24%.
Aceves = the Nick Johnson of pitchers. Great when healthy. Never healthy.
Sadly, the same could be said for Marte
Need to beef up the pen…
To even mention Gardner and Ichiro in the same breath is ludicrous. Ichiro doesn’t strike out and can hit for power. He is not just a singles hitter. Let Gardner have 1 season like Ichiro averages.
sorry Pete, but Erin beat you to that punch:
Erin November 24th, 2010 at 9:27 am
Hank is the Fredo Corleone of the Steinbrenner family.
GreenBeret7 December 1st, 2010 at 4:15 pm
That guy could pull a muscle taking a bath sitting down.
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If Gardner doesn’t show progression as a ballplayer they will not resign him as FA in 2015. Arb is 2012 what happens then?
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If Gardner stayed the same as he was now they would re-sign him unless another player blew them out of the water. Or he would sign for scott podsednik/juan pierre money with a team that values speed and defense.
Gardner except that his “patience” is making me impatient.
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If he became a better hitter, he wouldn’t have to be as patient.
To even mention Gardner and Ichiro in the same breath is ludicrous. Ichiro doesn’t strike out and can hit for power. He is not just a singles hitter. Let Gardner have 1 season like Ichiro averages.
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Ichiro averages single digits home runs. His career XBH% is 19% His iso is only .100 on his career. Most of his SLG comes from the singles he hits.
Kinsler told ESPN Radio in Dallas he exchanged texts with Lee, and the free-agent lefty, expected to sign with either the Yankees or Rangers, said Texas reps were back at his house in Arkansas trying to persuade him to return to the team.
“Basically, I said, ‘What’s going on in Arkansas?’” Kinsler told the radio station. “He said, ‘The Rangers are down here again. I was like, ‘Well, just sign whatever they give you.’ He said, ‘Let’s see what happens. We have to wait it out.’”
“I said, ‘Remember, I like being your teammate,’” Kinsler said. “And he said, ‘I do, too, but we have to wait it out.’ I said, ‘Just sign it.’ And then he sent me a picture of a deer [that a friend had bagged on his property].”
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z16thclF5P
Tom in N.J. December 1st, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Brett is good as long as he gets on base at a .360-.380 clip. I don’t care how he gets on-singles, doubles, triples, errors, walks, HBP, catcher’s Interference. It’s all the same.
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A few more doubles would be nice, but Gardner has to cut back on the strikeouts. Knock 20 off of that total and just putting it in play would gove him another 6 or 7 hits, but, would move a lot more runners up. That and the waiting until late in counts to run are my only real issues with Gardner.
“Ichiro doesn’t strike out”
Doesn’t walk either.
But I agree, the comparison is a bit out of line at this point.
hardwired7 December 1st, 2010 at 4:19 pm
sorry Pete, but Erin beat you to that punch:
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LOL
thanks for the credit, hardwired.
Ichiro averages 70 strike outs. He isn’t Yogi Berra.
“If Gardner doesn’t show progression as a ballplayer they will not resign him as FA in 2015. Arb is 2012 what happens then?”
Gardner will be 32 in 2015.
This will be his only contract with the Yankees. Let him walk as his legs start to go. We get him through most of his prime.
Isn’t it easier to be patient first, and learn to be more aggressive later (i.e. swisher)?
Its fun that you guys just like make stuff up about what you think a player is, but lets look at the stats at least for things like striking out and hitting for power. There are rumors that Ichiro could be a better HR hitter, if he wanted to, but he’d sacrifice his average and he won’t do it.
As it stands he has hit double digit HRs only a handful of times. I saw Gardner take Mark Beurhle out of the stadium for grand slam in person. As far as I saw, Gardner can hit for power. An unfortunate hand injury killed his second half, he had to fight more pitches off and relied on walks.
An “off” season for Gardner next season could be disastrous for him.
There is no “trend” with him and could lead to a platoon, which they wanted to do last year.
If not that he was cheap their patience could wear thin.
“I said, ‘Just sign it.’ And then he sent me a picture of a deer [that a friend had bagged on his property].””
Well folks, I think that just about says it all right there..
@Shame Our Devils aren’t looking too good this year.
Aceves shouldn’t be counted on until May after an extended spring training. This opens the door for Nova or Mosely to make the team out of ST as the long reliever.
shame – yeah, i don’t like lee’s response of “look, i’m a giant redneck too”
He had 132 hits, 100 singles. It is worth seeing if he can develop but if he stays the same they eventually let him go IMO.
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Jeter had 179 hits, 136 (76%) were singles
Gardner had 132 hits 100 (74%) were singles
Just saying
Gardner doesn’t seem to be an “instinctual” ballplayer.
His speed overcompensates for everything he does.
Perhaps he is not a good hitter which is why he takes so many pitches.
He is not an instinctual baserunner or even a good baserunner, as a Jeter is.
He should have stolen 75 bases last season.
It means that his property is big enough that he doesn’t need to worry about somebody shooting out his windows.
GB, That’s true about Gardner. There’s a fine line between being patient and being passive.
An “off” season for Gardner next season could be disastrous for him.
There is no “trend” with him and could lead to a platoon, which they wanted to do last year.
If not that he was cheap their patience could wear thin.
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An off season is disastrous for anyone without a gauranteed deal. Your perspective on Gardner is so out of whack. He was good in 09, improved in 2010, and has an entire minor league history to fall back on with his observed skills from yankee scouts, coaches, and managers.
Theres no point in saying , ‘if he wasn’t cheap’ because he is. Its part of his value. If Derek Jeter were cheap he’d be signed already.
Not having Aceves to stabilize the bullpen was a major factor last season, so hopefully he returns to form for 2011, as he’s capable of being used in long and short relief, as well as spot starts. LOL @ the Nick Johnson comparisons. Unfair, but funny.
Gardner should continue to improve. Hopefully he’ll continue to improve his pitch selectivity, gap power, and steals. Kid has a good future ahead of him.
I’d like to see more of Greg Golson, maybe as the 4th OF. Anyone follow him in the minors or have any comments on him?
Perhaps he is not a good hitter which is why he takes so many pitches.
He is not an instinctual baserunner or even a good baserunner, as a Jeter is.
He should have stolen 75 bases last season.
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Are you saying that Carl Crawford is not an instinctual baseball player? He takes so many pitches because he fouls them off. He led the league in foul balls.
so Jamie Moyer still isn’t ready to call it a career after Tommy John surgery. that really is pretty amazing when you consider:
his first season in Major League Baseball was in 1986.
1986!
All I’m saying is that if he doesn’t improve, and he is indeed unproven, then he will eventually be platooned, which again they have tried in the past to do.
start – not at all!! But I think the Devs are starting to pick things up. We just need to get some of our guys back. We have back ups filling in for back ups! Kovys family just got to Jersey from what I understand though, so I’m hoping that helps him settle down.
All I’m saying is that if he doesn’t improve, and he is indeed unproven, then he will eventually be platooned, which again they have tried in the past to do.
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Platooned how and for what reasons? Where is this logic coming from?
As far as Aceves, he still might be ready by April 1st. Until we find out the extent of the rehab, he still might be able to pitch with his right hand as he undergoes the rehab in February.
Gardner’s hesitance might have a lot to do with his role on the team. It’s tough to be agressive and risky when you could lose your job any day of the year.
I would expect his confidence to be higher this year than last, and his aggressiveness on the base-paths to reflect that. I do not, however, wish him to be more aggressive at the plate. Just swinging at more pitches, or swinging early is not going to help him become a better hitter. Continuing to be patient and learning to pick out the pitches he can hit is the only course of development for a slap-hitter. Blind aggression is not the answer.
Moyer is gunning to be the 1st 50 year old ballplayer.
Except for Minnie Minoso and the legendery Satchell Paige.
Maybe Wilhelm.
Tom in N.J. December 1st, 2010 at 4:31 pm
GB, That’s true about Gardner. There’s a fine line between being patient and being passive
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It got to the point that when I was watching the games, he was the only one I was screaming at to either “swing the damned bat” or “run, you damned idiot”. Thank God I have foam rubber bricks to throw at him on TV. He’d be getting a bill from me for 150 TVs this week.i
Really Irreverent? I took it as a good thing.
Texas Teammate: “Hey, come sign this contract”
Lee: “Hey look at this deer I got!”
what does this news have to do with
re-signing Jeter???
that is the question of the day
“Platooned how and for what reasons?”
Well, he reached base against LHP’s only 37.3% of the time.
.373 OBP is better than the good half of most players splits.
ID:
I was kiddin’, dude.
I’m amazed at some of the conclusions you all draw from watching baseball games. You all must hate almost every basestealer in the league. I understand a lot of guys attempted steals on the yankees, so you probably think guys are going all the time, but Gardner was right around all the top base stealers in SBA/SBO.
If enough people are saying he is not aggressive, are they all stupid or imagining things?
Isn’t Patterson still the Governor?
How can he spend his entire day on a talk show?
Who is running NY State?
If enough people are saying he is not aggressive, are they all stupid or imagining things?
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Imagining things.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/.....id=5871783
Zero Chance Gruden to Miami
Who was it last night that said that Gruden to Miami was “this close”?
I did not think that Gruden would go to Miami. He got fired from the Bucs with a 3 year contract. This is Gruden’s 2nd year out of football. If he signed with Miami, he’d lose the 3rd year’s pay from the Glazers.
If he does go to Miami, I’d be very surprised.
And the gap between Gardner and other players can be easily explained. Gardner is on a high powered offense where there is a bigger risk to making an out. Gardner wants to steal at the most efficient rate possible to maintain the advantage of the yankee offense. You want to not make an out so guys like Cano, Arod, and Tex can get extra at bats.
And he was still top 5 in steals!
If enough people are saying he is not aggressive, are they all stupid or imagining things?
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Imagining things. You all see his speed every day so you believe he can be more effective. At the same time you see other teams steal willy nilly on the Yankees. So you get this base running idea in your head and it grows. So then every time Gardner is on base not stealing it grates at you.
Despite that, if you looked at the numbers you’d see Gardner steals at the same clip as such base stealing luminaries as Carl Crawford.
For example, Gardner had 240 opportunities to steal a base. He stole 23.3% of the time. Carl Crawford had 261 opportunities to steal a base, he stole 21.8% of the time. Now if we signed Crawford, you all are going to be throwing bricks through your TV because the free agent the yankees just signed is being a wuss.
The league average K rate in 2010 was 20.7%
Gardner struck out 21.2%
Really Irreverent? I took it as a good thing.
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So did I. when he says “..we have to wait it out”
That’s kind of like when a friend texts you and asks if you’re going out later and you know you’re not so you reply “Not sure..get back to you later”
mick December 1st, 2010 at 4:37 pm
…and the legendery Satchell Paige.
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the three pitchers I’d most like to have seen pitch:
Satchell Paige
Bob Feller
Sandy Koufax
(in that order)
*Satchel
d’oh!
GGBG needs to get with Mickey and Rickey this off season.
From time to time I’ve had elbow tendonitis, but never heard of surgery to correct it. On the web I found this: In extreme cases where tendonitis cannot be treated using any other method surgery is required. Surgery is only ever used as a last resort to treat tendonitis.
Here’s another comment:
In my professional experience, getting surgery on the wrist tendons due to wrist tendonitis either:
A. Doesn’t help at all, plus you have the pain and issues from having the surgery
B. Helps for a short amount of time, but then the pain comes back.
I’m a big Gardner fan. This doesn’t sound good at all. I’m now concerned that he may never really recover from his wrist tendonitis.
MTU,
Either he’ll come out of it an amazing base thief or a degenerate gambler, possibly both.
bronx jeers & mell
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I agree with your assessment, I was trying to be equally funny (and failed miserably).
LGY December 1st, 2010 at 5:00 pm
The league average K rate in 2010 was 20.7%
Gardner struck out 21.2%
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Where does that rank for hitters with less than 500 at bats abd fewer than 35-40 extra base hits?
That’s what the real question being asked. If he plans on just standing on first, just let the hitter know so the batter isn’t in a hole all of the time. How many times has he been put in as a pinch runner, in a running situation and just stood there, or wait until 2 outs and 2 strikes. Girardi has discussed that situation on more than one occasion…heatedly and on camera.
Yeah. That’s right.
Cliff Lee is gonna return to Texas becaus of Ian Kinsler.
What a hoot.
OK. Hey I’ve got a swamp I wanna sell yuh.
Also, was Teddy Roosevelt a redneck, a roughneck, or just a roughrider because I think he like killin’ things.
Still is close re: Gruden.
He has until tonight to take the Miami offer.
The offer would make him the second highest paid CFB Coach behind Mack Brown at Texas.
The Tampa money is not offset if he takes a college job. Meaning, he gets that money in full and the Miam money doesn’t reduce the Tampa obligation.
Ball is in his court at this point.
Jeers-
If he learns to bunt and steal even better he’ll have more money for gamblin’
Nothing like practicing medicine on the internet.
Sounded like Lee was telling Ian to not get his hopes up to me.
Well then SJ44, we’ll know one way or another about Gruden tomorrow.
Blake-
Actually, I think it was a warning to Ian to stay off his property.
I’m sure Lee will appreciate Kinsler making their private text messages known to the world.
MTU,
TR was the last (and only?) of his kind.
Dude explored the freaking Amazon after his presidency.
For the past few months I have said here that Gardner has “chronic” wrist problems and some of the posters have questioned my sources…… Once again I have been validated. I told posters here the Yanks would sign Thames 3 months before he was signed.
Hey Ian come on down.
We’ll go huntin’ together on the estate.
Ok. Great.
You go first. Check it out Man.
All right.
Hey Ian I think I see something movin’ down yonder check it out will ya’
Boom !
What you do want, a cookie.
To say I am surprised at Derek’s reactions to date, would be an understatement. It had been my sense that Derek’s pride would not permit him to do anything to embarrass himself, including playing well beyond his time at a level not befitting his station in Yankeedom. I therefore had concluded that he would propose (or accept) a moderate term of years at a “reasonable” level of compensation, which the Yankees would readily agree to; if he still were able to perform consistent with his HOF standards, that term could then be extended through realistic negotiations. Well, I was dead wrong, and then some. His false sense of pride and long-term resentment of certain others whom he felt had wronged him rose to the top to the exclusion of his many more positive attributes.
For probably the first time he is incurring considerable negative reaction from the majority of his fan base…..all of Yankeedom…..probably a shock to him as most, if the polls are accurate, have now concluded he does not walk on water, and that false pride, resentment, and a refusal to forgive and move forward may well be his more dominant characteristics. It is indeed sad. Hopefully, yesterday’s discussions were a rapprochement that will be lasting.
How many times has he been put in as a pinch runner, in a running situation and just stood there, or wait until 2 outs and 2 strikes. Girardi has discussed that situation on more than one occasion…heatedly and on camera.
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Not as many times as you think. I can think of one time, where even Gardner acknowledged it. At most, two? He stands on first just as much as Crawford. He has a constant green light, so maybe he is worried a guy like Jeter, who bats right after him, is going to swing wildly and put the ball in play and he doesn’t want to get doubled up.
Maybe Girardi should give more straight steal signs.
Tom-
What a Man.
Whatever you say, Kreskin.
ET December 1st, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Aceves = the Nick Johnson of pitchers. Great when healthy. Never healthy.
Sadly, the same could be said for Marte
Need to beef up the pen…
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What a stupid, and unfair post. I’ll say it for Alfredo, Go to hell.
Ariel, take a chill pill about Jeter.
GB
The point is that you believe he strikes out too much based on some arbitrary cut off points you created?
Have you even been reading jerkfaces posts?
You have a distorted view of how often the top basestealers run.
Craw,
Yes. If it was “100% dead”, Gruden would have issued a statement. He has not.
He contacted the U in October about the job. Talks intensified after Shannon was fired.
All the vanilla “denials” aside, they have been talking non-stop since Sunday.
All of the major issues (his salary, assistants salaries, recruiting budgets, bowl bonuses, NFL and ESPN buyouts, etc) have been pretty much agreed upon.
Its at the point to where Gruden either accepts or rejects the gig.
Neither side wants to drag it out. Which is why today is “moving day” on it.
GB-
I wanted to send you a card but I had no way to do it.
How are you doin’ today ?
Um, that’s great jacamir. Congrats!
Something tells me neither Jeter nor the Yankee’s are “emabrassed” by a situation that was perpetuated into a BIG F’IN DEAL by the media.
At no point should anyone have expected Mo or Jeter to be signed before the winter meetings.
I hope Gruden stays at ESPN….I think he’s good on TV and don’t want him recruiting players to beat my Heels, because he will.
I’m the Great Buck Howard……. Milano Double Chocolate ====
Gruden looks like “chucky” w/o the knife.
Gardner struck out slightly above league average but walked way above league average.
GB, you ok? Any thoughts on Golson?
Nothing arbitrary about the number of strikeouts by a singles hitter. He’s not Lou Brock or Maury Wills. Brock at least drove the ball. Wills had low extra base hit totals, but, he could at least put the ball in play without striking out 100 or even 75 times a year.
No, I don’t bother reading his BS. Not interested in reading some idiot that feels that it’s his kob to “educate” people on how to “enjoy baseball”. He’s not worth the effort.
The Pirates would like to upgrade at shortstop and are interested in Jason Bartlett and J.J. Hardy, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The Pirates would like to upgrade over Ronny Cedeno before the 2011 season starts and Hardy and Bartlett appear to be available.
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I’ll believe they want to add real talent when cows fly.
his “job” to educate
GB – god forbid you actually learn something. ignorant as always.
MTU -
How are things by you? GB is trying to stay away from you, he must have read those wanted posters at the PO.
I have just received the following “Wikileaks” via twitter :
“Yankees will sign Lee.
Mo to return.
AP back for another go around.
Expect a surprise.”
Signed,
Julian
the fact that people still kiss your feet for your opinion when you treat every person with a contrasting viewpoint as if they are an “idiot” amazes me.
MTU, didn’t you get a message from Chad? Have him send your’s to me. I think he’s upset with me. Not sure why? As polite and considerate as I am, I just can’t imagine that.
Al-
What da Ya’ think ?
Sane ? Insane ?
Hey. I’m golden. Insanity defense is perfect for me.
GB-
I’ll give it a try but I might be the one he doesn’t like.
Simon, doing ok here. Thanks for asking. Hope all is well with you and the Templar family.
I’m assuming that Golson is still the likely #4 outfielder. Only his hitting would be a concern. He has all of the other skills.
GB7 -
As Ronnie use to say, There you go again. Some people can’t post without making it personal, I guess you just bring out the best in them. Watch out for MTU, I heard he is stalking you, he’s looking for a warm place to stay this winter.
Not exactly the kind of news I was hoping for logging back in………As it stood, I had questions about how well Aceves was going to hold up. Who knows how well Gardner will bounce back also?
What’s not to like with you 2? lol.
Patrick, from the previous thread, Gardner slowed down a lot in the 2nd half………I’m not trying to get rid of him, but I would not be unappreciative of an upgrade. That said, that’s not the priority for this team.
BIG AL December 1st, 2010 at 5:35 pm
GB7 -
As Ronnie use to say, There you go again. Some people can’t post without making it personal, I guess you just bring out the best in them. Watch out for MTU, I heard he is stalking you, he’s looking for a warm place to stay this winter.
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AL, I saw his name pop ip on here a couple of months ago and started shooting his mouth off. I don’t care what he says. I generally ignore him anyway.
“Nothing arbitrary about the number of strikeouts by a singles hitter. He’s not Lou Brock or Maury Wills. Brock at least drove the ball. Wills had low extra base hit totals, but, he could at least put the ball in play without striking out 100 or even 75 times a year.”
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Lou Brock had a .343 career OBP and a 6.8% career walk rate.
Maury Wills had a .330 career OBP and a 6.6% career walk rate.
Those guys did not strike out, but they didn’t walk! That is what you are missing in this entire conversation.
Gardner had a 13.9% walk rate last year.
the fact that people still kiss your feet for your opinion when you treat every person with a contrasting viewpoint as if they are an “idiot” amazes me.
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he makes up for it with copious amounts of lying and being a creep to the ladies on here.
MTU won’t show up here, AL. He’d want to bring his furry snake food and “Killer” doesn’t doesn’t like mice.
I wish Gardner made ay more outs instead of striking out.
Awesome!
“TR was the last (and only?) of his kind. Dude explored the freaking Amazon after his presidency.”
Um, no offense, but Bill Clinton and George W. Bush have both browsed Amazon (and even ordered stuff) after their presidencies.
jerkface – don’t you know? gb7′s opinion is beyond reproach. it is quite disturbing. what can you do though, you can lead a horse to water…
The deer story is funny, but it has nothing to do with anything……not sure why the Post felt it necesssary to publish that
LGY December 1st, 2010 at 5:40 pm
“Nothing arbitrary about the number of strikeouts by a singles hitter. He’s not Lou Brock or Maury Wills. Brock at least drove the ball. Wills had low extra base hit totals, but, he could at least put the ball in play without striking out 100 or even 75 times a year.”
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Lou Brock had a .343 career OBP and a 6.8% career walk rate.
Maury Wills had a .330 career OBP and a 6.6% career walk rate.
Those guys did not strike out, but they didn’t walk! That is what you are missing in this entire conversation.
Gardner had a 13.9% walk rate last year.
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Not missing a thing. He strikes out too much for strictly a singles hitter
Nick, yes, but do they have rivers named after them? No, but Roosevelt does…….
betsy – they published it for the same reason anyone has written anything about jeter and lee so far this offseason.
sheer boredom and no accountability.
AL-
See how GB disrespects Shih Tzu’s ? Me I understand, but the angels ?
“Not missing a thing. He strikes out too much for strictly a singles hitter”
This is called a completely unfounded opinion.
Nick-
That as close as they’ll ever get to the real thing.
I wish Gardner made ay more outs instead of striking out
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Just think of all the outs that’d he’d make if he put the ball into play more! He could be a Lou Brock (.293 .343 .410 ) ! Or a Maury Wills (.281 .330 .331 .661 ) Gardner is only .005 batting average points away from the immortal Maury wills!!
God help us if Brett Gardner is Maury Wills.
Its must be fun to be old and throw out names of players and hope that no one actually looks at what they did. I am gonna do that with our modern day scrubs in the future.
I have been to the real Amazon, and I can tell you I absolutely did not see Bill Clinton, or George Bush there.
ID, that’s true, lol.
Turbo-Jeter JR. needs to be more like Eduordo Nunez and Ramiro Pena, those were gamers! They could swing a stick at a ball, I tell you what.
GB-
You’ve got mail =>
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2507471
Yuck, lol
I agree completely with the Lee-to-the-Yankees interpretation of the exchange with Ian Kinsler.
IK: I loved being your teammate, I hope you come back to the Rangers.
CL: We’ll see how it works out.
IK: Ok, but signs that Rangers contract!
CL: We’ll see how it works out.
IK: Just sign that contract!
CL: We’ll see how it works out. Hey, you like dead animal picures? Here’s one!
Nick-
CL: Hey Ian. This pic of a dead Buck is what I think of the chances of Texas inking me. Sorry bud. We’ll catch up in NY.
GB7-
I’ve heard you called quite a few this, never a horse, well not a complete hore anyway.
Don’t pick on the Shih Tzu’s, they may be small, but they have big hearts.
I have a bet with MTU that Killer is really a mini Chihuahua with a deep voice.
horse > not hore
Nick,
Lol….pretty much how it went.
http://www.advancednflstats.co.....ation.html
Not directly related to… anything… but I figured I would share it.
I thought it was a good read.
BIG AL December 1st, 2010 at 6:24 pm
GB7-
I’ve heard you called quite a few this, never a horse, well not a complete hore anyway.
Don’t pick on the Shih Tzu’s, they may be small, but they have big hearts.
I have a bet with MTU that Killer is really a mini Chihuahua with a deep voice.
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AL, I never get concerned over these imaginary little tuffies on here. As long as it doeesn’t get personal with familily, I don’t generally bither with it. As far as being called a horses ass, I’ve been called everything after 35+ years in the military. There were reasons that I was that way, and, I haven’t really learned the changeover. Thanks for the kind words earlier today.
GB7 -
Did I win my bet with MTU about Killer?
GB7 -
I’m just sitting here thinking how some folks sign-in handles describe them better than words ever could, LMAO.
BIG AL December 1st, 2010 at 6:46 pm
GB7 -
Did I win my bet with MTU about Killer?
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Not quite. I’m taking “Killer” back where I got him. I think they may have sold me a Clydesdale instead of a German Shephard.
GB7-
I have 2 Shih Tzu’s now, but, I did have a huge German Shepard, that was gotten from a breeder that supplied guard dogs for the AF. He was a 125lbs male, and he’d scare the hell out of you just looking at him, but, he was very gentle with family, outsiders not so much.
GB7 – MTU
Good night, I’m going to take care of some chores before it gets any later. Have a good night.
Sounds like “Killer”. he growls at strangers, but that’s all. he’s slpey with the kids in the playpen since the were about 4 months old. They sleep on top of him, pull his years, ride him around, and he loves it. No men other than me cab get near the kids without him standing there watching them like a hawk. Never saw a male dog that protective of human babies. the kids cry when he’s not there and he sleeps in their room at home, between the 2 cribs. If they cry, he goes for their momma. Damnedest thing I ever saw.
***slept*** with the kids in the