A few notes and links from the day
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 02, 2010 
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One of the biggest bats on the market came off the board today.
Adam Dunn signed a four-year deal with the White Sox. The deal is worth $56 million, and the team is said to still be interested in Paul Konerko.
I’ve always liked Dunn. He’s an impressive combination of power and patience, but the Yankees clearly don’t have a spot for him. They could use a DH and a big bat, but they have much more important pieces to spend their money on, and they can’t really add a guy who’s best position is designated hitter.
A few other notes and links from the day:
• The Red Sox are bringing back Jason Varitek. In theory, he and Jarrod Saltalamacchia form a solid offensive platoon behind the plate. In theory.
• Short-term Yankees corner utility man Eric Hinske has re-signed with the Braves. In theory, the Yankees might be developing their own Hinske-type, power-hitting corner utility man in Brandon Laird.
• Erik Bedard is going back to Seattle. Don’t forget, the Mariners gave up Adam Jones to get him.
• Buster Olney gives a pretty cool prediction of how the dominoes will fall this offseason.
• Former Yankees reliever Jose Veras was among the players non-tendered today.
• Speaking of non-tenders… I realize the moves makes sense, but it always catches my eye when I see former legit prospects like Travis Buck and Edwin Encarnacion among the player let go. Nothing is a sure thing in this game.
Hal has to shut Hank up..
“It’s no secret we want Cliff, and we will do what we can to get him,” Yankees co-chairman Hank Steinbrenner said. “That’s the bottom line.”
http://rangersblog.dallasnews......ill-d.html
Hankenstein speaks the truth.
You bet. That’s something that should have been kept a secret.
Hank’s comments today on Jeter are fine.
Hank’s comments on Lee are moronic.
What’s wrong with that quote?
For the Rangers, a five- or six-year investment in Lee is an enormous risk, because they could be committing anywhere from 20 to 30 percent of their payroll to a pitcher in his early 30s; if Lee gets hurt or his performance suffers, the Rangers’ payroll structure would be devastated.
From Buster Olney.
Not Buster Only.
I liked his Jeter comments. Of course, if Hal continues to bid against himself, it will be hot air.
What was wrong with Hank’s quote? It’s not as if the Yankees have been in “stealth mode” for Cliff Lee and now their negotiating leverage has been compromised … everyone knows that Yankees are going to go hard for him. Hank just reaffirmed what is already common knowledge.
“What’s wrong with that quote?”
Because in a negotiation, you never put all your cards on the table.
Not exactly like the Yankees were going to sneak past anybody by denying interest in Lee or that they won’t outbid every team.
Yankees make new offer to Jeter
By Mike Axisa
Via Mark Feinsand, the Yankees have made a new offer to Derek Jeter, though the details of that new offer are still unknown. The other day we heard that the Yanks were prepared to off three years and $51M with a fourth year option that included a $6M buyout, replicating the average annual value of the captain’s last contract. Jack Curry hears that the talks aren’t “in the zone” just yet, and there’s still some more work to be done.
Barring some seriously unlikely behind-the-scenes stuff, the Yankees are bidding against themselves here. The improved offer is out of nothing but good faith given the utter lack of competition for Jeter, especially since the annual payout will exceed that of Troy Tulowitzki’s new contract. If Jeter’s camp isn’t happy with that, I don’t know what comes next. At some point they have to reciprocate.
If you have any hope of avoiding a 6th year, you have to lead the other side to believe that you may not be willing to go that high.
# Rich in NJ December 2nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
“What’s wrong with that quote?”
Because in a negotiation, you never put all your cards on the table.
Yankees are gonna sneak attack the Rangers!
I wonder what strategy the Yankees are going to use this time?
Throw a lot of money at him? Naw, maybe they will throw a lot of money at him? Well I guess it is Cliff Lee, so maybe they will throw a lot of money at him.
They have already made Lee an offer.
It’s not like it’s a big secret they want Lee.
Also, the Rangers had no problem leaking their two meetings with Lee and making Kinsler available to tell the media he thinks Lee wants to return to Texas.
It’s actually the smart play to publicly state the Yankees position since that will get much more play in the next 24 hours than Kinsler’s comments.
They aren’t going to save any money signing Lee and they know it.
His comments are fine and on target on both issues.
# Rich in NJ December 2nd, 2010 at 10:18 pm
If you have any hope of avoiding a 6th year, you have to lead the other side to believe that you may not be willing to go that high.
Wrong. To avoid going to 6 years, you have to hope the Rangers don’t go to 5.
“…committing anywhere from 20 to 30 percent of their payroll ..”
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
“Yankees are gonna sneak attack the Rangers!”
Do you or the Rangers know that if the Yankees are willing to guarantee a 6th year?
If so, please explain how you know.
Any Chance Yankees go after and sign Bobby Jenks?
“Wrong. To avoid going to 6 years, you have to hope the Rangers don’t go to 5.”
So if they go 7 years, then the Yankees will go 7 years?
White Sox non-tendered Bobby Jenks – wonder if could be our eight inning solution?
http://twitter.com/jonmorosi/s.....0896135168
# Rich in NJ December 2nd, 2010 at 10:21 pm
“Wrong. To avoid going to 6 years, you have to hope the Rangers don’t go to 5.”
So if they go 7 years, then the Yankees will go 7 years?
Don’t feel like playing If games.
BloggingBombers I’m told Yankees had been interested in Takahashi, who signed a contract with the Angels today.
“Don’t feel like playing If games.”
I’ll take that as an admission that you don’t know whether or not the Yankees are willing to go past 5 years.
Takahashi offers the versatility that the Yankees like in their pitching depth.
Exactly, I just posted that question right before you tornygun14……
I agree with you. He could be the 8th inning guy and take over as closer in a 3-4 years.
Ken_Rosenthal Sources: Pierzynski back with #White Sox. Hearing deal is two years, $8 million, though that is unconfirmed. #MLB #BlueJays
The Yanks are definitely going to offer Lee 6 years. They had no problem giving CC the extra year to get him to sign and I doubt they will have a problem with Lee. Their final offer will probably be in the 6/$140 range. The Rangers will probably max out at 5/$110-$120m. I doubt they can go over that.
No journey is too great when one finds what he seeks.
That is not mine, that is Nietzsche.
Olney said the Yankees are uncertain about going to 6 years. He could be wrong, but he has better sources than any of us.
CC turned 29 in his first year as a Yankee; Lee will turn 33. That’s a huge difference.
Erick Threets was non tendered by the Chi Sox.
Wasn’t there someone on this board obsessed with that guy or am I remembering wrong?
raymagnetic December 2nd, 2010 at 10:33 pm
No journey is too great when one finds what he seeks.
That is not mine, that is Nietzsche.
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Ray Nietzsche quite a philosopher and HOF middle linebacker..
(yeah, I know…Ray Nitschke, but this is a once in a lifetime chance to mention him)
# Rich in NJ December 2nd, 2010 at 10:24 pm
“Don’t feel like playing If games.”
I’ll take that as an admission that you don’t know whether or not the Yankees are willing to go past 5 years.
Hold on let me call Brian Cashman.
Who the hell cares?
“Hold on let me call Brian Cashman.
Who the hell cares?”
You do. You quoted my post.
jonmorosi I said Jose Lopez had value. But I’ll be honest: I didn’t expect #Mariners would find a way to move him tonight. #Rockies #Seattle #MLB
surprising, pat. Rockies do need a 2nd baseman and Lopez does have a power bat at 2nd base.
Looks like Jete is going to steal money from the Steins to line his big fat wallet. Of course the fans will pay for Jeter’s new house by spending more money at YS for overpriced tickets and concession crud. Great going Jete, man of the people haha.
# Rich in NJ December 2nd, 2010 at 10:45 pm
“Hold on let me call Brian Cashman.
Who the hell cares?”
You do. You quoted my post.
No, I’m telling you who the hell cares if they go to 4-5 or 6 years.
Oh lord, it starts again………..Hank is pulling a Santana. This is not good for the Yankees……….and I said this yesterday.
SJ, how did the Yankees make an offer when Lee isn’t accepting any? Obviously if they made one, he hasn’t accepted.
Either way, Hank is a buffoon.
SJ, how did the Yankees make an offer when Lee isn’t accepting any? Obviously if they made one, he hasn’t accepted.
Either way, Hank is a buffoon.
# Betsy December 2nd, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Oh lord, it starts again………..Hank is pulling a Santana. This is not good for the Yankees……….and I said this yesterday.
Explain to me what Hank did wrong. I don’t see it.
Hanks comments on Jeter probably mean they caved in big time
Hank should not open his mouth, not about Lee or Jeter. There is nothing to gain at all by him doing so. There is lots to lose. If you don’t say anything, no one can speculate as to what you mean. It’s 101A.
Oh please, the guy didn’t say anything wrong.
All this knee jerk hysteria everytime he says something is moronic.
He says the Yankees want Cliff Lee and are going to do what they can to get him.
Duh, that’s bad? It’s what EVERYBODY already knows.
Honestly, some of you are so conditioned to be negative, you don’t even think.
Hank Steinbrenner said nothing that everyone else in baseball didn’t already know. The Yanks are all in on Cliff Lee, as shocking as that may be.
Betsy,
Lee is taking offers.
Don’t believe everything you read.
6 years is about my breaking point with Lee; we’ve had little to no luck with FA pitchers outside of Moose and CC. Watch – we’ll get 2 or 3 years of Lee and then he’ll go into a free fall
It’s not a matter of whether Hank said anything wrong. The question is, why say anything at all. It gains the Yankees nothing.
SJ, Oh please yourself, lol. He’s a buffoon. You don’t have to agree with me and I don’t care if you do or not.
Betsy, Lee isn’t taking the first offer from ANYBODY.
Such is the joy of being the most sought after FA on the market.
Ok, SJ, well he didn’t accept. Either way, I’m not waiting on pins and needles for a guy that wants to be the ringmaster at the winter meetings circus. If he wants to be here, he’ll be here. If he doesn’t, he won’t.
“No, I’m telling you who the hell cares if they go to 4-5 or 6 years.”
You care. You demonstrated that when you said:
“Wrong. To avoid going to 6 years, you have to hope the Rangers don’t go to 5.”
Your use of the word “hope” indicates that you care. Otherwise, it would have been more reasonable to have said instead: “6 years is fine by me.”
“All this knee jerk hysteria everytime he says something is moronic.”
Except that I said his comments on Jeter were fine.
These comments are not in the Yankees’ negotiating interest.
Carl, I would much prefer the Yankees to do their business quietly. I like Hal. I hate Hank. Sorry, his Santana negotiations completely turned me off to him.
Moose had a 3.88 era as a Yankee.
Funny how is best 2 years were his first and his last.
Hank said do what they can. That stops short of saying all in.
He’s not a buffoon. Far from it.
Just because you don’t like him doesn’t make him a buffoon.
He likes to talk. So what.
He hasn’t said anything a ton of people have said about both situations.
Plus, he’s one of the owners of the team. He can say whatever he wants.
Yankees reach deal with Mo.
“Plus, he’s one of the owners of the team. He can say whatever he wants.”
Well duh, but his comments still served no useful purpose.
2 years $30 million
2/30 for Mo. Same 15/year and he gets his two years. Simple and everyone is happy.
# Betsy December 2nd, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Carl, I would much prefer the Yankees to do their business quietly. I like Hal. I hate Hank. Sorry, his Santana negotiations completely turned me off to him.
He wanted Sanata, the Yankees needed an ace.
I’m happy to be a fan of a team where the bosses want big money players.
Now am I happy we didn’t get him and got CC instead? Of course.
But some people here didn’t even want CC. They said he wasn’t an ace!
SJ, it’s my opinion. The only good thing about Hank IMO is that he loves the horses.
Tommy John, Mike Stanton, David Wells, Jimmy Key, Catfish Hunter, Andy Pettitte (2nd trip around) all seemed to do a little something to help out.
“The Yankees will re-sign Mariano Rivera to a two-year, $30MM deal by tomorrow night, according to Christian Red of the New York Daily News.
Rivera recently received a three-year offer worth more money from a rival team, but wanted to stay in pinstripes, even if it meant accepting a deal for fewer guaranteed years and less money. Agent Fernando Cuza confirmed that interested teams other than the Yankees have called about Rivera.”
Aaaaand that is the sound of randy’s narrative going…..BOOM!
MLBTR:
Rivera recently received a three-year offer worth more money from a rival team, but wanted to stay in pinstripes, even if it meant accepting a deal for fewer guaranteed years and less money.
Hank’s comments aren’t hurting anything. Might not help things either, but certainly not worth the hysteria it is garnering.
Rivera could have gotten more if he played hardball.
There’s a less there for someone.
Rivera recently received a three-year offer worth more money from a rival team, but wanted to stay in pinstripes, even if it meant accepting a deal for fewer guaranteed years and less money. Agent Fernando Cuza confirmed that interested teams other than the Yankees have called about Rivera.”
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I don’t think Mo wants to play 3 more years. But if this is true, finally someone gives the Yankees a hometeam “discount”.
Long live Mo!!!
Carl, then we’ll just have to disagree as we have completely different philosophies. He handled the Santana dealings a poorly as anyone could imagine – it was embarrassing. The guy wouldn’t shut up….. I didn’t want Santana anyway, but even if I did, I would have been mortified. He was like watching a train wreck.
Mo – there are no words to express how much I love him.
How has he hurt the Yankees position tonight Rich?
By saying they really want Lee and are going to do what they can to get him?
It’s something everybody already knows. It’s a nothing statement.
There isn’t going to be any bargains in the Cliff Lee Sweepstakes.
His comments tonight change nothing in the negotiations.
Lee has been waiting for this moment, he’s doing it right. It’s his one huge payday. He will take offers through the winter meetings and make a decision. There is no mystery or magic to the process.
His agent will in essence lay the offers down one next to another. I’m sure they have a form which they will use to communicate the salient points to Lee and his wife. His accounting people will be involved, probably an estate/tax attorney. They will all tell the Lee’s what the bottom line is, income tax, benefits offered, what one team offers and the others don’t, etc.
Lee and his wife will talk it over and decide.
It says a lot about Mo that he’s happy with his $15M. I think he could have gotten more from the Yankees w/o much argument.
Hmmm. Who offered Mo 3 years?
Betsy December 2nd, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Ok, SJ, well he didn’t accept. Either way, I’m not waiting on pins and needles for a
***guy that wants to be the ringmaster***
at the winter meetings circus. If he wants to be here, he’ll be here. If he doesn’t, he won’t.
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Tell me that you didn’t actually use that idiotic Wally Matthews line?
Rivera had recently received a three-year deal and more money (believed to be in the neighborhood of $17 million per year) from another team, according to the source. The source added that Rivera wanted to maintain his ties to the only team he has ever played for, and went with less money and fewer years to continue wearing pinstripes.
“He wanted to stay loyal to the Yankees,” the source said.
Cuza would only saying that he had received calls from other teams interested in Rivera’s services.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z171DDfr00
a deal with Mo, progress with Jeter…. Come on back Andy Pettitte…
Rich, well the Yankees caved……. so Jeter and Close probably got what they wanted. It’s like a plaintiff asking a jury to award him $10 million. He knows he’s never getting that, but there’s a great chance he’ll get what he really wants – $5 million.
I’m not sure why people are upset with Hank’s statements. What he said is tantamount to him admitting that he enjoys being rich. Nothing shocking, surprising or unexpected.
I guess I did, GB – I don’t recall who said it. Either way, he’s allowed to enjoy this process and I don’t begrudge him that. I’m just not waiting on pins and needles for him…………if he signs, he signs. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t. I was more “into” CC……even though we need Lee badly
“… so Jeter and Close probably got what they wanted. ”
If they did, a deal would have been announced. To borrow a phrase from Cashman, it’s a process.
“How has he hurt the Yankees position tonight Rich?”
Because it telegraphs to the Lee camp that perhaps one of the Yankees’ decision makers may be a little overanxious and as a result, may be a voice in the room that wants to go an extra year and/or a few million more a year.
It’s in the Yankees’ best interests to play their cards close to the vest, especially if nothing more than parameters have been discussed.
I would distinguish the Jeter comments because that is a situation where the Yankees have already offered far more than the market price, so it’s responsible to inform your fans that they have gone the extra mile even though they didn’t have to do it.
Laura, I can’t stand Hank for his Santana comments – and that completely colors how I feel about him. His comments are probably innocuous, but I hated his Jeter comments and overall I wish he’d go back to his horses. Yes SJ, I’m aware that he’s the owner and can say what he wants; as a fan, I don’t have to like it.
YankeesWFAN Yanks have come up from original $15 mil per yr offer to Jeter, but not going to $20 mil.
How do you know that Jeter didn’t “cave” just as much as you think the Yankees “caved”?
Pat, either way the point stands as the Yankees have at least partially caved.
The Yankees raised their off by around 5 million bucks.
That’s not “caving”. It’s trying to make inroads upwards doing a deal.
Raising the overall offer from 45 to 50 million isn’t going to kill the Yankees.
Man, my typing less instead lesson was definitely a Freudian slip of the keyboard.
Jeter could learn a thing or two from Mo. Of course Mo is a man that Jete could never live up to: a true role model, helps players instead of standing like Joe Cool chewing gum, a religious man, faithful to his lady…
Betsy
Caved? No. They negotiated. That’s how you reach agreements.
Jete needs the extra five million for wallpaper in that castle he’s building in the wetlands.
Rich,
The Yankees have made it pretty clear to the Lee Camp how high they want to go.
Hank’s comments aren’t going to change anything.
This is not a cat and mouse negotiation.
Like the CC negotiation, the Yankees have made it clear in words and $$$$ how much they want the guy.
There isn’t any mystery in this case.
What were Hank’s Santana comments?
Is he not a fan of ‘Black Magic Woman’?
Pat, no need to go into this again. They should have stayed firm on their very fair offer.
Well, as it turns out, the Yankees have been pretty smart to add more to the Santana deal. He hasn’t been healthy in two years and will miss the first half of next season.
It was a lot to offer and Steinbrenner pulled the cork on the deal when Smith started playing games.
If the rumors are true – and who knows. Jeter is the one caving, not the Yankees. I’m sure he wanted 4-5 years at $20 million and he is not going to get Close to that (pun intended). The Yankees are seemingly throwing a couple of more million at Jeter; hoping it allows him to sign a deal and save face and his dignity in the process.
I hope it’s a 3 year deal at $17-18 a year with a 4th year buyout.
Hank isn’t telegraphing anything. They have their numbers, what they are willing to give and won’t deviate from that because Hank publicly said what everyone knows.
We want him and are willing to get him is no different than offering Jesus Montero.
Hank open mouth and insert js’ feet
Melkmanisinhotlanta, Larry Jones is coming to town next year to trash the Mets.
So the 2M or 3M that Rivera was classy enough not to squeeze them for is going to go to poor, whiney Jeter. What a joke Jeter and his image are. I’d rather see Mo get the money.
Close might need to be replaced by the resident “expert” on this board. At least we know the golden bull would not back down unlike Jete’s agent. NYC should try to bring back the Tampa vs NYC domicile issue and get their 10% Jeter is unfairly withholding to the greatest city?
“I hope it’s a 3 year deal at $17-18 a year with a 4th year buyout.”
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Why do you hope that?
Once again Mo proves why he’s my favorite Yankee. No drama. No “baffling”. No outlandish requests even though he had tremendous leverage based on his numbers last year.
He’s a class act.
is the offer to lee for 5 or 6 years?
Because I think that would be edging more towards the fair to Jeter side. And that’s how I roll! Big surprise huh?
Mo is worth more than Jete especially after last year. Holy cow is Jete money hungry.
Support Mo by going to his restaurant in New Rochelle. Excellent food and Mo goes on Sunday evenings when he’s in town according to the waiter.
“Because I think that would be edging more towards the fair to Jeter side. And that’s how I roll! Big surprise huh?”
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I’m confused.
Do you want him to get that because you think that kind of offer would get this thing done or do you actually care how much they pay Jeter? For example, if Jeter accepted 3/50 would you be upset with that?
I’m sure it wasn’t his intention, but Mo is really making Jeter look bad.
Rumors have it that the Mets will be contracted next fall. It won’t help the Yankees much since the 10 additional Mets fans won’t add much to the Yankee coffers.
I wonder what team offered Mo a 3 year deal?
Melkmanisinhotlanta,
Unfortunately, you probably have to change your name, but that’s not why I said something.
I think Mo’s restaurant is expensive and not very good for the money. In Port Chester there is an excellent and expensive steak restaurant and for the life of me I can’t think of the name.
I_JonHeyman
#redsox tried to steal rivera with 3-year offer, im hearing. 2 more teams also offered 3. but rivera is close to $30-mil deal with #yankees
It’s war!!!!!
In the end I don’t really care LGY, I’m not going to be upset either way it doesn’t effect my life. It is not my money and whatever the Yankees pay him will not effect their ability to compete in the least, they are the wealthiest franchise in sports. My preference though, is that Jeter gets significantly more than the 3-$45 that was mentioned.
GB,
Is that a joke. I have heard no such rumor.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ivera.html
Mariano handled the situation the right way!!
Glad to have Mo back!!!!! (Those couple weeks not having him were rough haha)
boston is the team that tried the 3 year deal? i thought they werent in the business of getting a player to stick it to the yankees.
they already have two closers.
The Red Sox! Now that’s a fun story!
Betsy obviously doesn’t have any idea how negotiations work.
Both sides budge and eventually come to a compromise. One side doesn’t just make one offer and never budge from it. We call those ultimatums.
I said last week that the Yanks were NOT going to sign Jeter to that 3/$45M deal that was repeated over and over again by every news outlet. They were going to increase their offer at some point.
This is as basic as it gets.
The big difference between Mo and Jeter is a lot of teams would have made offers to Mo. He is still a top closer. Glad he stays with the Yankees.
SAS December 2nd, 2010 at 11:38 pm
GB,
Is that a joke. I have heard no such rumor.
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SAS, that was just for the benefit of the two trolling Mets fans.
# RMS December 2nd, 2010 at 11:39 pm
The big difference between Mo and Jeter is a lot of teams would have made offers to Mo. He is still a top closer. Glad he stays with the Yankees.
Red Sox tried to steal him
WOW! Imagine how much Jeter would have milked it if he got an offer from Boston?
He could learn a thing or two from MO. And MO actually had leverage and no one would have blamed him at all if he used it.
Angels bid 3 on Mo also
Heyman is tweeting the Red Sox and the Angels.
“#redsox tried to steal rivera with 3-year offer, im hearing. 2 more teams also offered 3. but rivera is close to $30-mil deal with #yankees”
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Not only did randy’s theory go boom, but with this development someone just walked by a wizzed on the ashes.
RMS,
Who wouldn’t want Mo on his team even at the end of his career. He well may be able to close in 3 yrs. We’ll see.
#angels also bid for rivera with 3-year deal, i’ve heard. and one more team. still working on it
As Jeter tries to shoot for the stars with no leverage, the guy who has all the leverage pushed it aside out of loyalty…
“The Yankees have made it pretty clear to the Lee Camp how high they want to go.
Hank’s comments aren’t going to change anything.”
SJ
Until any deal is finalized, there is always a possibility that the contours of the eventual agreement could change, based on other offers.
As a result, the Yankees could end up making some concessions that they may not be contemplating at present.
It’s no accident that Hal doesn’t say similar things.
Remember when Jeter, MO, and Andy were going to protest the Yankees offer to Jeter and go form a “Miami Heat” superteam somewhere else?
Or when MO was going to retire if Jeter didn’t get what he wanted…
Yikes… not a good night for the old guard on this board…
Wonder how that makes Papelbon feel.
Not sure what the difference in Rivera’s and Jeter’s contract situation is. Neither one was asking for more money. Neither one wanted to take less.
“As Jeter tries to shoot for the stars with no leverage, the guy who has all the leverage pushed it aside out of loyalty…”
IF the reports are accurate, that speaks volumes about the two men.
GF, you don’t know squat about what I know or don’t know…………..
What exactly is squat?
I thought Jeter was asking for 23-25?
It was just reported his demands went down.
And Rivera doesn’t even have half the career-earnings of Jeter, yet he still left money on the table and didn’t even bother to use it as leverage.
Meanwhile, Jeter wants to be paid for his unquantifiable “icon status” and his agent thinks a 50% overmarket deal is “baffling”.
squat equals nothing
“Not sure what the difference in Rivera’s and Jeter’s contract situation is. Neither one was asking for more money. Neither one wanted to take less.”
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Jeter reportedly wants a raise and for more years than the Yankees are comfortable going. Very different.
Mo is older than Jeter. That makes a difference in how many more years each of them will feel they will be able to play the game.
Mo is valuable, but so is Jeter.
Are these people who are ripping on Jeter really fans of the Yankees? I just don’t see it.
And some of these people are the sames ones that say Hank is a moron? Wow.
“My preference though, is that Jeter gets significantly more than the 3-$45 that was mentioned.”
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Rich’s theory that some people think Jeter is bigger than the team is gaining more steam everyday.
BTX December 2nd, 2010 at 11:45 pm
Remember when Jeter, MO, and Andy were going to protest the Yankees offer to Jeter and go form a “Miami Heat” superteam somewhere else?
Or when MO was going to retire if Jeter didn’t get what he wanted…
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Don’t forget Bernie and his 96 OPS+ costing us a championship in 2007….
1. Mo’s NY Grill was pretty good when we went 3/4 years ago.
2. You can’t compare Mo to Jete. It’s like comparing Cristal champagne to Andre Champagne.
3. Will Posada use the Jete tactics to get more money and years after 11?
Let’s just hope they both have good years ahead. I know “very Mom and apple pie”.
Well there aren’t words to describe my admiration for Mo….
3. Will Posada use the Jete tactics to get more money and years after 11?
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If he tries, the Yankees will let him go.
LGY December 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 pm
“Not sure what the difference in Rivera’s and Jeter’s contract situation is. Neither one was asking for more money. Neither one wanted to take less.”
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Jeter reportedly wants a raise and for more years than the Yankees are comfortable going. Very different.
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Reportedly? Is that a legal contract request like River reportedly asked for $17-$18 mil a year? Looks like they both “reportedly” asked for the same raise.
So, what exactly were the Sox going to do with Mo?
I don’t understand the fuss, Hank is playing the PR handbook step by step. Never let the other guy have the last headline.
***Rivera*** reportedly
“Reportedly? Is that a legal contract request like River reportedly asked for $17-$18 mil a year? Looks like they both “reportedly” asked for the same raise.”
Except Rivera warranted his raise and is still the best at his position, and as you can tell now, had incredible value on the open market.
Jeter deserved a paycut based off his year and has 0 teams pining for his services, even at the “baffling” price of $15 mil.
It takes a higher level of talent, poise, heart to close a game with men on base with 0 outs than to stand behind the great pitcher and blow big pink bubbles. Mo is worthy of a bigger annual paycheck than bubble gum man.
“Not sure what the difference in Rivera’s and Jeter’s contract situation is. Neither one was asking for more money. Neither one wanted to take less.”
Biggest difference is in performance. Mo is still a top closer. Jeter had a down year.
# Betsy December 2nd, 2010 at 11:47 pm
GF, you don’t know squat about what I know or don’t know…………..
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You’ve displayed many times what you know regarding this issue…..nothing.
You always find ways to drop a load in the punch bowl. It’s your specialty.
SI_JonHeyman RT @Dejan_Kovacevic Confirmed: #Pirates non-tender Milledge
“Reportedly? Is that a legal contract request like River reportedly asked for $17-$18 mil a year? Looks like they both “reportedly” asked for the same raise.”
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Au contraire GB, it may have been reported that Mo asked for that but just a week later accepted his contract at the same rate.
Jeter on the other hand we are still waiting on.
And to add insult to injury Mo could have actually GOTTEN a raise from the Yankees if he really insisted on one considering the other offers on the table.
How does Jeter handle it if some other team comes along and offers him more than the Yankees?
ac1 December 2nd, 2010 at 11:53 pm
3. Will Posada use the Jete tactics to get more money and years after 11?
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If he tries, the Yankees will let him go.
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He’s never been to Mo’s steakhouse. He can’t even get into a “Steak ‘N’ Shake” without bribing the cashier.
Are these people who are ripping on Jeter really fans of the Yankees? I just don’t see it.
More like wannabes resenting real athletes whose abilities bring them ka-ching.
SI_JonHeyman RT @Dejan_Kovacevic Confirmed: #Pirates non-tender Milledge
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Chip beacon, activate!
If Mo decided to go the Jeter route and get every last dollar… he might have ended up with an AAV of $20 million for 4 or something.
Yanks would have never been outbid for him and clearly, other teams bid highly on him. Mo could have taken some team to the cleaners if he choose to. He had more market value than he did 3 years ago.
ka-ching and all it bring…heh
Yogi Mantle December 2nd, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Mo is older than Jeter. That makes a difference in how many more years each of them will feel they will be able to play the game.
Mo is valuable, but so is Jeter.
*Are these people who are ripping on Jeter really fans of the Yankees? I just don’t see it.*
And some of these people are the sames ones that say Hank is a moron? Wow.
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No, they aren’t. & ironically, they sound remarkably like the fanboys I had to sit next to at the Stadium for 5 years from 2004 until we won the World Series, who endlessly and mercilessly booed Alex. Really hard to stomach either. But hey, at least I don’t have to sit next to them at the ballpark. It’s Jeter rage at its most pathological.
“Mo is valuable, but so is Jeter.”
Yeah, Mo is better.
oh no, we have to hear about Milledge for the next 3 weeks?
Perhaps I should now just save Chip the time and post just how much the Yanks need to sign Milledge.
Jeter can ask for whatever he wants.
Anyone saying Jeter is greedy cause he’s negotiating for more money is stupid.
Not one person in here would take less money from their boss for the good of the company.
“Um, I heard that Diana in accounting makes 30k less than I make. I would like to take less money next year so she can make more.”
The fanboys and fangirls are the ones that think that Jeter is beyond reproach.
“Anyone saying Jeter is greedy cause he’s negotiating for more money is stupid.”
Not greedy, clueless.
Isn’t it the Jeter fans who boo A-rod? For not being clutch?
Get your Yankee gang sides right!
RMS December 2nd, 2010 at 11:56 pm
“Not sure what the difference in Rivera’s and Jeter’s contract situation is. Neither one was asking for more money. Neither one wanted to take less.”
Biggest difference is in performance. Mo is still a top closer. Jeter had a down year.
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By Jeter’s standards, he’s had one bad year in his career, but, “geniuses” on here have decided that he’s finished. How about waiting until next year. What will you be saying when they day comes when Rivera can’t answer the bell and get average hitters out? and still has time on his contract?
Jerk,
And ironically, A-Rod was supremely clutch in his walk year while Jeter choked lol
One put up a historic season, the other had a 90+ OPS.
A-Rod may be the best money player ever.
Calling Rivera and Jeter’s contract situation the same, as GB7 does, is an insult to Mo.
“Rich in NJ says:
December 3, 2010 at 12:02 am
“Anyone saying Jeter is greedy cause he’s negotiating for more money is stupid.”
Not greedy, clueless.”
He’s clueless because he’s trying to get the best deal he can from the Yankees? No it’s you who is the clueless one.
Not one person in here would take less money from their boss for the good of the company.
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Rivera did
Isn’t it the Jeter fans who boo A-rod? For not being clutch?
Get your Yankee gang sides right!
That dichotomy is something you made up, just like you make up them numbers, son. Now go play fantasy GM by the water cooler, and let the real athletes play baseball. but make sure to punch in first, hear?
“He’s never been to Mo’s steakhouse. He can’t even get into a “Steak ‘N’ Shake” without bribing the cashier.”
Actually did go and spent 160 bucks for two. It was very good but far our hood. Supported Mo though. Me thinks you’re the Stake and Shake hound haha.
Rich in NJ – What is Jeter clueless about? He wants more money and he knows they will give it to him. I’m pretty sure the Yankee’s haven’t gone out and signed anyone else… so he hasn’t been wrong yet.
“He’s clueless because he’s trying to get the best deal he can from the Yankees? No it’s you who is the clueless one.”
Right, because what player wouldn’t ask for a raise after a 90 OPS+ season.
Irreverent Discourse
I just posted a reply to ray.
By Jeter’s standards, he’s had one bad year in his career, but, “geniuses” on here have decided that he’s finished. How about waiting until next year. What will you be saying when they day comes when Rivera can’t answer the bell and get average hitters out? and still has time on his contract?
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The contract is based on what Jeter did LAST year and what he can realistically do as a 37 yr old SS moving forward. Players decline, they get old. He can’t be paid based off what he did, he was already paid for that.
And if Rivera can’t to it anymore, he would retire. I think he exemplified his unselfishness by taking a discount in this contract.
at this point, just want to get jeter’s contract done, move onto Lee, then convince Pettitte to come back.
Another one bites the dust…..
dylanohernandez The #Dodgers have non-tendered Rusell Martin.
Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 12:02 am
Isn’t it the Jeter fans who boo A-rod? For not being clutch?
Get your Yankee gang sides right!
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Au contraire, it was the ARod fans who somehow forgot about small sample sizes and denigrated him mercilessly. It was ridiculous to observe, and so is this. As for ARod vs. Jeter camp that was created by a bored media and some fanboys, who lost sight of the fact that Jeter and ARod were/are actually on the same team. Novel thought to actually root for both.
“Rivera did”
That’s his prerogative.
He’s clueless because he’s trying to get the best deal he can from the Yankees? No it’s you who is the clueless one.
He’s supposed to be a good lil’ Yankee and say “aw shucks, even tho’ this is probably my very last big contract, I think I’ll play for nothin. Then the faaans will cal me a Goooooooood Yankee. Yea that’s the ticket…Me want be goooooooood Yankee…”
KenDavidoff #Mets non-tender Chris Carter, Sean Green, John Maine.
Rich in NJ – What is Jeter clueless about? He wants more money and he knows they will give it to him
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Which is why Jeter is smart.
He obviously looks selfish, clueless, etc. but he knows he is dealing with a FO that, regardless of their bluster, never stays firm on an offer and always budge.
He was right to wait it out and it appeared he squeezed a few extra million from them. He didn’t even have to find another offer, all he had to do was wait and seduce Hal face-to-face.
Rivera displayed more loyalty and class to fans all over the world. Jete would have taken those offers that Mo received and hung them around Cashman’s neck like an albatross. Loyalty to team is a long forgotten ideal…yet Mo brought the ideal back. A shame Jete won’t follow that example.
BTX – really? his contract is based on what he did last year? no player in the history of baseball has ever had a bad year, right? they just keep getting better and better until they die.
GreenBeret7
Yankees and Jeter will come to an agreement. If the Yankees overpay him, so be it. I don’t see it as a big deal.
“He’s supposed to be a good lil’ Yankee and say “aw shucks, even tho’ this is probably my very last big contract, I think I’ll play for nothin. Then the faaans will cal me a Goooooooood Yankee. Yea that’s the ticket…Me want be goooooooood Yankee…”
This is both funny and sad.
No one has a clue why Mariano chose to do what he did. It’s an assumption to assign any motivation to his decision without hearing from him.
“Right, because what player wouldn’t ask for a raise after a 90 OPS+ season”
He can ask for whatever he wants to ask for. It’s a negotiation. Doesn’t matter what you think he should ask for. If he can get more money from the Yankees then why shouldn’t he try to get it?
Russell Martin NT.
“He can ask for whatever he wants to ask for. It’s a negotiation. Doesn’t matter what you think he should ask for. If he can get more money from the Yankees then why shouldn’t he try to get it?”
I never said he couldn’t ask. I said he was clueless for asking for a raise coming off two of three seasons that were far below his career average.
I mean the Yankees did draft him, develop him, surround him with enough good players to win 5 rings, and made him a very, very rich man.
Would showing some gratitude be such an awful thing?
Questioning Jeter’s loyalty to the Yankees is ridiculous.
“Questioning Jeter’s loyalty to the Yankees is ridiculous.”
More ridiculous than this?
“Au contraire, it was the ARod fans who somehow forgot about small sample sizes and denigrated him mercilessly.”
Au contraire.
Right, because what player wouldn’t ask for a raise after a 90 OPS+ season.
Hey go exercise your fan rights, man. Go to the park and say “boooooo!!!!” “Booooo Derek!!!” “Me want big OPS shortstop, not you. Boooo!!!!” “My life sucks, but at least I can say “booooo!!!” “Me want Hanley, Yanks signed Derek for more than I wanted them to. “Booooo??” “Boo hoo!!!” “His OPS may not be Hanley’s, but he’s a real ballplayer with real rings and gold gloves and all I’ll ever be is a fantasy baseball geek…:( But at least I can say “booooo!”
Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:16 am
“Questioning Jeter’s loyalty to the Yankees is ridiculous.”
More ridiculous than this?
“Au contraire, it was the ARod fans who somehow forgot about small sample sizes and denigrated him mercilessly.”
Au contraire.
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I was there. I attended almost every game. They are the same people who would cheer Alex when he hit a HR. But I guess you had to be there.
How could he be there? does anyone in here go to the games or do they just live in here all the livelong day?
Yankee fans have booed Alex, Jeter and Mo. Real classy.
Yankee fans have booed Alex, Jeter and Mo. Real classy.
Apparently if you’re in the know you have to choose sides. At least that’s the talk around the water cooler.
“Melkmanisinhotlanta says:
December 3, 2010 at 12:11 am
Rivera displayed more loyalty and class to fans all over the world. Jete would have taken those offers that Mo received and hung them around Cashman’s neck like an albatross. Loyalty to team is a long forgotten ideal…yet Mo brought the ideal back. A shame Jete won’t follow that example.”
I agree
I don’t think it’s too likely that we — the LoHud unwashed and washed alike — can be in the know about the Yanks’ very strong desire to sign Cliff Lee without Lee and his agents also knowing.
The cards weren’t too close to the vest to begin with.
The real story here isn’t what Hank said, it’s that he finally found a way to slip out of the horse stable again.
Ooooops