A few small notes from the day
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2010 
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Amazing just how much the public tone of the Derek Jeter negotiations have changed. At this point, you can’t turn anywhere without reading or hearing something positive about the progress. Here’s the latest from the AP.
NEW YORK (AP) — A person familiar with the negotiations tells The Associated Press that Derek Jeter and the New York Yankees have made “significant or substantial progress” on a new contract.
The person spoke Friday on condition of anonymity because no announcement had been made.
Although negotiations moved slowly last month, there is little doubt the Yankees captain will remain in pinstripes.
A few other notes from around baseball…
• Keep an eye on Boston. Not only are the Red Sox believed to be interested in Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth, they’re also reportedly back in trade talks for Adrian Gonzalez. The Red Sox have been connected to Gonzalez in the past, and that would obviously change the look of that lineup.
• Occasionally I get a question about Brandon Webb, and the possibility of the Yankees getting him on a small deal, maybe even a minor league deal. Thing is, Webb seems to be generating considerable interest from teams that can probably promise him a significant role.
• Three years, $35 million for Bronson Arroyo. Nothing flashy about the guy’s numbers, but he’s been good for 200 innings and 15 wins the past three years. The Reds like him, clearly.
• Kansas State accepted an invitation to play Syracuse in the New Era Pinstripe Bowl.
• Former Cubs great Ron Santo passed away today at the age of 70.
• The Yankees sent two official statements to mourn the passing Elaine Kaufman, owner of the Manhattan restaurant Elaine’s, who passed away at age 81.
Hal Steinbrenner on behalf of the Steinbrenner family: “We mourn the loss of Elaine Kaufman. She was a great friend to my father and our family, as well as a tremendous supporter of the New York Yankees. She was a special person who contributed so much to the rich fabric of New York City. I extend our deepest sympathies to her family, friends and loved ones.”
Randy Levine: “My wife, Mindy, and I considered Elaine a dear personal friend and one of the greatest ladies in New York City. Not only was she a famous restaurateur and gracious host, but she was a delightful, wonderful person. We will personally miss her friendship. Elaine was one-of-a-kind, and she will be deeply missed.”
Day-long negotiations between the Yankees and star shortstop Derek Jeter have yielded “substantial progress,” according to someone familiar with the talks. The sides could agree to terms on a new contract as early as Friday night or Saturday, the person said.
The Yankees have improved their initial offer of three years and $45 million and Jeter has come down from asking for five to six years at an average of $23-$24million per. The sides are believed to now be in the neighborhood of $19 million annually. Jeter averaged $18.9 million over the 10-year deal that expired at the end of this season.
The source said it is still unlikely that the Yankees will offer Jeter a guaranteed fourth year, but may have agreed to a vesting fourth year with reachable parameters.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..1×3hi
Perfecto.
On to Lee.
Hey Nolan.
You prepared to go six ?
If you want Cliff you better be.
if Boston gets all 3 guys, their lineup is better than Yanks’
Sorry to use a fishing analogy.
Reel him in Cash.
Lee:
Let me retract my early morning statement. I probably shouldn’t have posted at 3:30AM tipsy, but things happen.. I probably said a lot more than I should have, as well.
To quote what I said last night,
“Still top priority, but noy willing to go 6.”
which was truly misleading… for that I apologize. I should’ve said, “Still top priority, but not wanting to go 6″. If it comes down to 6 years to beat out Texas it’s not going to be a stopping point.
Feel free to throw tomatoes @ me.
Lester and Buchholz and Adrian Gonzalez and Werth. Ouch! You better get Lee and another Loogy if you are gonna’ face AG all year. I have seen him play quite a few times in person; he is a monster.
Boston has 2 and a half starters, They also aren’t going to pump up to a $200 mil a year payroll. San Diego would lose the rest of their fan base by dealing for a handful of minor leaguers.
The RS aren’t going to hand out 3 $100m+ contracts.
Get Lee.
Sign Matt Diaz.
Grab a lefty reliever.
Call it a day.
If you don’t like Cervelli you can get another catcher.
Now call it a day.
Boston has two great starters in Lester and Buchholz and possibly a healthy Beckett, a very good Lackey and Dice-K is not the worst number five in the world.
A very nice expression of condolences… But seriously to make a press release you need to be a well known public figure… Which Randy Levine is not. Nice try Randy but you are not ‘The Boss’ !!!!
Crawford:
I’ll say this much.. Inside the org, a lot of folks believe Carl is a perfect fit for pinstripes. His work ethics, demeanor, on-field assets, etc..
There’s too many question marks about offense this season. Face it, since Matsui/Damon’s departure, the offense is less of a threat — doesn’t mean that we don’t have the bats — but folks want to step it up a notch. Sure pitching wins games, but offense also sells tickets.
We do have the money, and Hal actually likes CC II very much. So that is a very good sign.
I remember when everybody here was absolutely certain that we were not going anywhere near Tex, and even pointed their weapons at me. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Scutaro
Pedroia
Youkilis
Gonzalez
Werth
Ortiz
Drew
Cameron
Salty/Varitek
vs
Gardner
Swisher
Cano
A-rod
Tex
Posada
Granderson
Montero
Jeter
Meh, Yankees are still better I think. Not by very much but I’d take the Yankees.
Lost-
Just for the sake of discussion.
Let’s say the Yanks could get lee and cc.
How is the OF configured following, and wouldn’t someone need to be traded IYO ?
Or are you saying the Yanks can afford the
whole caboose ?
Rich in NJ…..What’s your take on the new Derek Jeter contract rumors ??? You ok with this 3 year 1 year option for 19-20 million per ???
# GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Boston has 2 and a half starters, They also aren’t going to pump up to a $200 mil a year payroll. San Diego would lose the rest of their fan base by dealing for a handful of minor leaguers.
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what am I missing here…Lester,Buchholtz,Lackey,Beckett, Dice K….seems to me at this time it’s a better staff than the Yankees
how about waiting a few more years before calling Buchholz “great”. Lackey is no longer pitching in the AL West. This was a joke about 5 And Fly Matsuzaka, right? They’re saying prayers ebery night in hopes that #1. Berkett stays healthy and #2. he remembers his 1 good year in the last 3.
“The sides are believed to now be in the neighborhood of $19 million annually. Jeter averaged $18.9 million over the 10-year deal that expired at the end of this season.”
Yikes. They are actually giving him a pay raise from his previous contact average AAV.
Still don’t funk the Sox are getting Gonzalez without denting their big league roster…..and if I were the Padres I would demand Buchholtz or no deal.
Lost,
That’s pretty much what most of us figured on Lee….would rather it be 5 but will go 6 if they need to.
It would appear that the Yankees have a great Plan A, and a very good plan B.
I like it.
Blake-
They are definitely going to need to go to 6 on Lee.
Bank it !
If they sign Crawford and Lee then they would probably trade Swisher to offset the payroll…..
MTU,
6/140…..
Blake-
I hear what you’re saying but we really don’t want to lose Swisher do we ?
“Rich in NJ…..What’s your take on the new Derek Jeter contract rumors ??? You ok with this 3 year 1 year option for 19-20 million per ???”
pat m-
guess you haven’t seen the jeter tag team bashing by rich in nj and jerkface on their late night show this past week.
they eat crow as yankee management/ownership backs down.
(if the reports of 19 million a year are true)
Blake-
I don’t know about the $ but I’m convinced it will be at least 6.
I’m not sure Crawford/Gardner/Granderson is an upgrade from Gardner/Granderson/Swisher
# blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:54 pm
If they sign Crawford and Lee then they would probably trade Swisher to offset the payroll…..
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don’t see both happening, one or the other… but you never know
they eat crow as yankee management/ownership backs down.
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All I’ve ever asked is for 3 years less than 20 million. Looks like a win for team Jerkface
Pat M
I have to be OK with it, but I think giving him an option isn’t prudent.
Why? Just look at the current negotiations. The Yankees’ reported offer of $45m over three years is probably 50% more than any other team would offer, yet some fans are outraged and say that the Yankees are disrespecting Jeter despite that generosity.
They call anyone who disagrees with them a RS fan, a Jeter hater, or some other stupid stuff.
And what have the Yankees done? They have negotiated against themselves and upped the offer, despite real risks that Jeter may be in decline.
To me that’s a preview of what will happen after three years. I think that even if Jeter is a BUI, some fans will demand that the Yankees pick up the option, and the pressure on the Yankees will be intense.
And if the Yankees base the option on PT, for example, how tough will it be for Girardi to sit Jeter no matter how bad he is?
But I’m just a powerless fan who roots for laundry, so as I said, I have to be OK with it.
I wonder if Gardner has the Yankee FO a little concerned due to his injuries that he seems to keep being plagued with.
Keeping Crawford and Gardner on the team would drive pitchers nuts if they were back to back but lefties would neutralize that threat somewhat.
Which OF would you sit? And wouldn’t Crawford make it a bit lefty heavy for the OF in any event?
I like Crawford, but I’m not sure that he is much of an upgrade over what Gardner produces, other than being more aggressive on the bases and seems more willing to steal than Gardner does.
His price tag will be up there as well. The Angels seem to want him, Boston is interested in him as well. That is two big market teams bidding on him.
He is a good defender, but so is Gardner. It would seem that if the Yankees are wanting a good bat other possibilities are out there that won’t cost as much and might have more power.
If that report is true and if Close gets the Yanks to give him $19 AAV, major victory for him. No other bidders and he got the Yankees to add at least $12 mil (plus the $$ from the buyout) to the deal… all it took was a little bit of time, but they got the Yanks to give in.
Yanks bailed out Close/Jeter if this is true. Of course, the Yanks rarely hold firm, so this isin’t a surprise. Just funny after all the tough talk from Cash about having a fair offer and testing the market to find a better one, they themselves give him a significantly better one for no reason lol
erkface December 3rd, 2010 at 8:57 pm
I’m not sure Crawford/Gardner/Granderson is an upgrade from Gardner/Granderson/Swisher
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how about a Crawford /Grandy/Swisher
Jerkface,
Im not.sure it.is either.
GB7…
You are talking crazy again. You irrationally hate on everything non-Yankee.
The Sox have an excellent rotation. Plus Bard/Papelbon to close. And if they get Werth and A-Gon, their line-up is just a notch below NY’s. All of which means that they would be a serious WS contender.
To simply put down everything about them (and every other team), and predict nothing but awesome things from every Yankee is just nonsense and shows a lack of any practical thinking.
As I said:
“They call anyone who disagrees with them a RS fan, a Jeter hater, or some other stupid stuff.”
randy quickly proves my point:
“guess you haven’t seen the jeter tag team bashing by rich in nj and jerkface on their late night show this past week.”
It’s not enough to be OK with a 3 year $45m contract and defend Jeter against charges that he didn’t earn his last contract. You’re still a basher if you dare to have a contrary opinion.
It’s kind of funny though.
# Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 8:58 pm
they eat crow as yankee management/ownership backs down.
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All I’ve ever asked is for 3 years less than 20 million. Looks like a win for team Jerkface
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said since this started he won’t take a pay per year pay cut
“All I’ve ever asked is for 3 years less than 20 million. Looks like a win for team Jerkface”
hahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahaha
Crawford /Grandy/Swisher
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This is the least likely permutation, it will probably be better. Though I wonder about the difference in Crawfords approach vs Gardner’s generating much more runs. It might be a wash.
Who’s happier at every extra million bucks that Jeter gets, randy or the Luxury Tax recipients in Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, etc?
# clownthrowindown December 3rd, 2010 at 9:00 pm
GB7…
You are talking crazy again. You irrationally hate on everything non-Yankee.
The Sox have an excellent rotation. Plus Bard/Papelbon to close. And if they get Werth and A-Gon, their line-up is just a notch below NY’s. All of which means that they would be a serious WS contender.
To simply put down everything about them (and every other team), and predict nothing but awesome things from every Yankee is just nonsense and shows a lack of any practical thinking.
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watch out Big AL and Joe Franco will be showing up shortly
I posted this earlier, but one Yankee who passed away has pretty much overlooked. Tom Underwood, who had a really nice year (13-9, 3.66 ERA) in his only full Yankee season in 1980, died of pancreatic cancer on 23 November. He was only 56. Nice fastball and near great curve ball. Hre was traded from Toronto with Rick Cerone for Chris Chambliss.
“It’s not enough to be OK with a 3 year $45m contract and defend Jeter against charges that he didn’t earn his last contract. You’re still a basher if you dare to have a contrary opinion.”
hahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhaah
said since this started he won’t take a pay per year pay cut
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He would be taking a pay cut. Its cute to cite AAV but for the past 4 years Jeter has made 20 million a year. You’re asking him to step down to a salary range he lived in half a decade ago.
Why would we trade Swisher to make room for Crawford?
Yes, Crawford is faster and a better defender. But Swisher has more power and doesn’t have terrible splits against LHP.
Swisher has had a higher OPS than Crawford every year of their careers.
And Crawford will cost twice as much as Swisher.
How does that upgrade the offense?
erkface December 3rd, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Crawford /Grandy/Swisher
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This is the least likely permutation, it will probably be better. Though I wonder about the difference in Crawfords approach vs Gardner’s generating much more runs. It might be a wash.
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might be right, I never really warmed up to Gardner
Boy, they couldn’t even hold firm with a guy they had all the leverage over AND in a negotiation where the majority of the media/fans were on their side and in agreement with their offer.
And an option yr is nothing more than a glorified retirement gift. Of course, the older generation Yankee fans will probably kill management for not picking up the option, even if Jeter hits .210 because he is an “icon”.
yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 8:47 pm
joeman December 3rd, 2010 at 8:25 pm
# West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 8:21 pm
New York Times
February 25th, 2007
Rivera, who also said he would test free agency after 2007, turned serious when he was asked if he could envision himself pitching for Boston.
“I don’t think so,” Rivera said. “I respect the players and I respect the organization, but we’ve had so much happen between us. I don’t think I could do it.”
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some guys just never say the wrong thing….
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Mo is incomparable; however, he was pretty ticked about Bernie’s treatment and the delay in the Yankees’ extending his contract in 2007. If you recall Mo expressed:
dismay over a delay in his contract talks and glumly spoke of baseball as a business. “I definitely want to finish my career here,”Rivera told several New York writers, “but if they don’t give me the respect I deserve … I’m not going to stay at my house crying. I have to move on.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c…../index.htm
So, Yanks know better than to mess with Mo.
I remember that time well Yankee Feminista. Mo wasn’t playin.’ Nice dig up.
There is quite a bit funny in Randy being so wrong on so much in the course of 1 day. First Mo signs irregardless of Jeter and then Jeter has to take a pay cut and accept the lowest bargained amount of years to stay with the Yankees.
Crawford, Gardner, Swisher?
“There is quite a bit funny in Randy being so wrong on so much in the course of 1 day. First Mo signs irregardless of Jeter and then Jeter has to take a pay cut and accept the lowest bargained amount of years to stay with the Yankees.”
hahahahhahhahahhahahhahahahahahhahahah
Everybody’s a winner
or
Everybody’s a loser
Let’s all raise our glasses and toast to the great careers, health and longevity of our 2011 team!!! Hip, hip, horray!!!!
I think randy was planning to declare himself right no matter what happened.
Glad you can laugh at yourself so much, Randy, old people need to find amusement in the waning years of their life. Especially with a golf handicap like you got.
MTU:
“How is the OF configured following, and wouldn’t someone need to be traded IYO ?”
If you follow my posts for the last 3 years here on this blog, I haven’t ever said that the Yanks can’t afford who they want. Money isn’t going to stop them from pursuing certain players as it didn’t when they signed Tex after the money they had already spent. I suppose you can argue M. Holliday, but there were those internally who didn’t think Holliday was a good fit aside from the $$. It’s virtually unanimous with regards to Crawford. He’s well adored.
As I stated last night –albeit it, belligerently– it’s way too soon to be able to predict what moves are/are’nt going to be made.. a few dominoes need to fall first. However, signing Crawford wouldn’t necessarily *demand* a trade, but it should be obvious that CCII would be replacing BG and not Swish.
We can’t assume that just because we have plans and priorities, we are guaranteed to satisfy our desires. No matter how pragmatic we set out to be.
“I think randy was planning to declare himself right no matter what happened.”
Nice.
Jeter made 22.6 mil in 10……………..that was some contract he signed…he’ll have a bounce back year somewhere in the middle of 09-10
Should I be flattered that I am not cited as part of the late night Jeter bashing tag team?
Does that leave me cliqueless???
“Glad you can laugh at yourself so much, Randy, old people need to find amusement in the waning years of their life. Especially with a golf handicap like you got.”
hahahahahhhahahhahahahahhahhahahahhahaha
lol. A-rappeling Cash goes…
Let’s all raise our glasses and toast to the great careers, health and longevity of our 2011 team!!! Hip, hip, horray!!!!
here here. CHEERS
BJK,
It probably doesn’t…..that’s why I wouldn’t do it. I was just saying that I don’t think they would add both Lee and Crawford without trading either Granderson or Swisher because of the payroll……
If anyone is traded it won’t be Gardner. He is too cheap to keep and would be the best 4th OFer in baseball.
yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 9:11 pm
lol. A-rappeling Cash goes…
Tin Cup ( The Original Randy I )…..I was gone for a week and the Derek Jeter debates took a life of their own ever since his contract expired…….When the Yanks leaked the 3 / 45 million offer the line was drawn in the sand, many took sides and made their thoughts known…….Rich in NJ, it was always my belief that the Front Office was going to just extend his old contract for 3 years with a 4th year an option…….This whole dance routine was just a ritual of rights so to say…….39 degrees at tee-time ???? Are you still at The Cape ????
I’ll puke if the Yankees give Derek any kind of 4th guaranteed year or realistically attainable vesting option.
15 + 4
23 – 4
They couldn’t split the difference weeks ago?
Jim Leonhard broke his leg. Ugh. Out for the year.
I’m gonna call bs on the Yankees coming up to $19 million.
I bet he makes lower than 18.9 AAV.
Isn’t it an insult to extend a contract at the value which included the 11 million first year salary and not the more accurate 5 year average of 20 million?
“Jim Leonhard broke his leg. Ugh. Out for the year.”
I heard the Jets are holding out hope for a return for at least some of the playoffs, although it may just be wishful thinking.
# yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Jim Leonhard broke his leg. Ugh. Out for the year.
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big loss
Jeter made 14.6 per year for the first 5 years, 20 million per year for the last 5.
Lost-
Thank you for your opinion.
So it is possible for the Yankees to keep all 4 as OF’ers w/o a trade being required.
That would be awesome. It’s not likely though IMO.
There is concern about OF health. Primarily BG, but also Swish.. What does our OF look like if one of the two have health issues, what about if they both do? You’ve got to consider that.
“I think randy was planning to declare himself right no matter what happened.”
nick in sf-
if jeter would have caved in to cashman and yankee ownership and signed for their take it or leave it offer 3 year 45 million offer where they sent up the trial ballon of telling him to check with other teams, i would have been very disappointed in him.
he stood up to them and totally made them back down from their initial position.
there’s a reason why he’s the captain.
I’d sign Werth before Crawford.
this is what I see…you may be right
2010
2 Derek Jeter, SS (U)
Team: NYY | Age: | Eligible at: DH,SS | Bats/Throws: R/R | Exp: 16yrs | Pro Salary: $22,600,000 | Height/Weight: 6-3/195
“there’s a reason why he’s the captain.”
Because of his agent?
Lost,
Do you think they would take the payroll to 230-240 million dollars? Hey if they want to then fine by me but I don’t see how they can sign both Lee and Crawford and not get near that unless they clear other money off the books.
Lost-
I like Matt Diaz.
He’s no cc but he’s a lot cheaper, and could fill in.
he stood up to them and totally made them back down from their initial position.
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I cant believe Jeter backed down from his original offer I thought the Captain had fight in him
Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 9:18 pm
“Jim Leonhard broke his leg. Ugh. Out for the year.”
I heard the Jets are holding out hope for a return for at least some of the playoffs, although it may just be wishful thinking.
joeman December 3rd, 2010 at 9:19 pm
# yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Jim Leonhard broke his leg. Ugh. Out for the year.
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big loss
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HUGE loss. Got to think it is wishful; it will be awfully hard to come back in time for the playoffs. Getting a bye might help. Lousy timing too w/Pats up next. Kyle Wilson in prime time…
Blake-
Money is coming off the books next season.
Maybe they go for it now with an eye to that.
Just a thought.
Money is coming off the books next season.
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Not really
“take it or leave it offer 3 year 45 million offer”
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Did you and WCYF conspire together one night to make up that it was a take it or leave it offer??
It seems that randy thinks that it’s ok to criticize (bash, to use his words) the Yankees, but not Jeter.
That’s pretty hypocritical.
Rich in NJ……You perfer Werth ove Carl ??/ Well he would be cheaper that Carl, but I think Carl Crawford is significantly the better ballplayer…..
can’t wait to see how the sox get Adrian Gonzalez without giving up anything of value.
The Yankees made a take-it-or-leave it offer to Jeter?
As their opening offer?
Oh boy.
Did you and WCYF conspire together one night to make up that it was a take it or leave it offer??
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Randy will accept help wherever he can get it, cause Lord knows he needs it. He’d lose an argument with a mute.
the exhortation falls flat. Not exactly a leader of men…
What about Posada, Pettite, and Igawa.
backfill with homegrowns next season.
Trade or delete AJ if he does not perform.
MTU
Yes,. They do have Posada, Marte, Igawa, and Pettite coming off the books next year most likely and that is a consideration. If they want to stretch the payroll then I don’t care but they just haven’t indicated that they would. I would be very cautious on the length of a deal with Crawford……6 would be an absolute max, Im not sure his game will age so well.
Rich in NJ……You perfer Werth ove Carl ??/ Well he would be cheaper that Carl, but I think Carl Crawford is significantly the better ballplayer…..
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Werth plays good defense, has a rocket arm, gets on base more, has been incredibly good in the playoffs and hit .282 .380 .506 .885 as a Philly.
The Yankees need a big bat more than they need a speedster, especially if they keep Jeter.
just remember from Dent to Jeter the names of Smalley,Foli,Meachem,Tollenson,Raf Santanna,Esponosa, Velarde,S Owen,Gallego & T Fernandez……may this never again happen
WNBC News said Leonhard was out for the season at 6:00. He hurt himself during practice today.
Pat M
Depending on who goes if they sign an OF, I think they need RH power more than they need what Crawford brings, although it’s possible that his HR totals could go up, similar to Damon, with the friendly RF dimensions (and wind tunnel).
Video of Cash “maiden voyage” – includes Q&A. Sorry if this was posted already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtE-rX5k0CM
h/t to RAB for the link.
“WNBC News said Leonhard was out for the season at 6:00. He hurt himself during practice today.”
ESPN 1050, the Jets station, said otherwise at around 6:15. Who knows?
Blake-
Personally. I don’t really care if they cc.
If they want to spend the coin that’s there buisness.
Lost was saying that there might internal concerns about GGBG’s health and/or Swishers.
I can see a concern on GGBG but Swish ?
He doesn’t really seem to have a long injury history.
GGBG might be a bit more fragile since he is a
gazelle.
“39 degrees at tee-time ???? Are you still at The Cape ????”
pat m-
there’s a hundred year old links course out here on the outer cape that a blast to play.
it’s really good practice because you have to really focus on ball striking and shaping shots with the weather and wind.
i’ll be heading down to florida after new years.
“I think randy was planning to declare himself right no matter what happened.”
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Nick is onto something.
He already tried to pull those shenanigans in light of Mo’s contract this morning
Safety Jim Leonhard, who calls the defensive signals in the secondary, has a broken right leg that required surgery Friday night, hours after he was injured during a collision at practice.
The notion that Jeter would accept an ultimatum was always preposterous. He would never have taken the 3 year $45 million dollar deal. He would have walked away. I am sure of that.
“He would have walked away. I am sure of that.”
I love when people pretend to know the minds of people that they don’t really know.
I would really hate for the Yankees to invest a long term huge money contract into a player who can’t hit LHP.
If the Yankees really value Craw over Holliday, that is disappointing to hear.
“The Yankees made a take-it-or-leave it offer to Jeter?
As their opening offer?”
nick in sf-
you don’t think cashman and hal’s attitude was in the take it or leave it tone ?
they tried it and got nowhere.
let’s face it, yankee management is going to pay both jeter and rivera top dollar for these contracts.
icons- 2
yankee management- 0
MTU:
“Lost was saying that there might internal concerns about GGBG’s health and/or Swishers.”
This is how things get lost in translation.
What I said was, “There is concern about OF health. Primarily BG, but also Swish.. ” meaning that BG is much more of a concern.
MTU:
“Lost was saying that there might internal concerns about GGBG’s health and/or Swishers.”
This is how things get lost in translation.
What I said was, “There is concern about OF health. Primarily BG, but also Swish.. ” meaning that BG is much more of a concern.
Not sure why it posted twice. That’s been happening a lot lately it seems.
I think if Jeter had accepted 3/45, randy would find a way to spin it as a Jeter win
Randy I……..I played a round of golf in Glouster once in late October that was a links course which had the wind and certainly the chill…..It was an eye opening experience for me….Surprisingly there was no frost delays on the greens……A most challenging round of golf, however I learned how to punch / knockdown shots that morning…….You have heart Tin Cup to brave the elements in early December…..
Oh, so the tone was take-it-or-leave-it even though it was the opening offer in a negotiation and they never told Jeter he had to take it or leave it.
And it’s a terrible loss for management because the final contract might be closer in years and dollars to their offer than it is to what Jeter wanted.
Anything you say, randy.
Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
“He would have walked away. I am sure of that.”
I love when people pretend to know the minds of people that they don’t really know.
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It’s called my opinion. You should try having one sometime.
Crawford only had 16 SB Post ASB.
Can you imagine if he did that as a Yankee.
Most of the Yankee fans on here would be throwing bricks at their TV because he was so hesitant.
“I think if Jeter had accepted 3/45, randy would find a way to spin it as a Jeter win”
lgy-
no. that would have clearly been a pro management, lgy,jerkface, rich in nj win.
but looks like that didn’t happen.
hahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahaha
Lost-
Thank you for clarifying that. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying, or inadvertently misrepresented your info.
Crawford also only stole 16 bases Post ASB in 2009.
He puts on a big show the first half of the year flying around the bases, and then puts the breaks on in the second half.
Not what you want when you are a team vying for the playoffs every year and those games Post ASB are so important.
let’s face it, yankee management is going to pay both jeter and rivera top dollar for these contracts.
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Rivera turned down 3 years at more than 15 mil per to stay with the Yankees. Clearly caving to management
West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
“He would have walked away. I am sure of that.
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wonder if it got to it if he would have taken the Torre route and taken less money to go somewhere else
Why would the Yankees want to cut Mo’s pay???
“Anything you say, randy.”
nick in sf-
you’re not still mad that i turned to to be right about livan are you ?
Randy’s imaginary narratives only make sense if you close your eyes and ears and go ‘Lalalalalalalala’ at all times
# LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Why would the Yankees want to cut Mo’s pay???
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Mo should have gotten a raise
Tin Cup….You better find a clique real fast so you can go and hide…….Even LoHud rebel Nick in SF is on the prowl……..For the record, all the crap that the Yankee Front Office was trying to sell the past 3 weeks was never going to stick to the wall……And for all this leverage they have wasn’t going to fly either……No pay cut for the Captain……Status Quo…..I’m with The Cuip on this….
No pay cut for the Captain
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He is receiving a pay cut of 2+ million dollars. Do you guys not understand numbers?
Numbers haven’t changed in the last 50 years have they? 21 was still more than 18 in the early 1900s right?
# Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 9:52 pm
No pay cut for the Captain
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He is receiving a pay cut of 2+ million dollars. Do you guys not understand numbers?
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is that a final number ?
I’m not mad at all, randy, but the odd things that you’re saying don’t seem to be at all tethered by reality.
Wow, the Yankees caved big time………….
is that a final number ?
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The contract is in some ‘neighborhood’ according to one source. I take it the max AAV he would receive is 19. That is a 2 million dollar pay cut from 2010. And since I think it will end up lower, I added a +
“It’s called my opinion. You should try having one sometime.”
Saying you’re sure of the mindset of someone you don’t know isn’t really an opinion, it’s an assertion of fact.
We should probably wait for the final contract terms before proclaiming that a Daily News article that says “in the neighborhood of $19 million annually” means Jeter is getting $19 million annually.
Even if he does, I bet if you asked the Captain he would say he is getting his pay cut. He hasn’t made less than $20 mill since 2006.
Buchholz is a great starter after 1 year?
Jeter made 21 million before incentives in 2010. Everyone here was arguing for an INCREASE in his pay.
Yet the yankees are getting away with insulting him with a pay cut.
I don’t know how they managed to make a legendary iconic hall of famer playing for a franchise which prints money take a pay cut, but Cashman is obviously using some form of voodoo magic. Kudos to him.
I wonder how they blinded Jeter to the 1000% increase in franchise value since his joining the team, while justifying a 10% decrease in pay
My grandpappy didn’t work himself to death in the coal mines of West Virginia and/or the wheat fields of the Ukraine so that Derek Jeter would have to take a pay cut to play shortstop in his declining years!
this 22.6 number I’m seeing in 2010 must be with his incentives
“Tin Cup….You better find a clique real fast so you can go and hide…….Even LoHud rebel Nick in SF is on the prowl…”
pat m-
you know who nailed the whole thing- CB.
he said he’d tune in when the circus was over and when the yankees and jeter met in the middle.
it’s precisely what’s happened.
i pay a lot of attention to CB.
these others?
take a guess
Yes Betsy, Buchholz is a great pitcher.
“i pay a lot of attention to CB.
these others?
take a guess
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Yet you read every word and repeat them verbatim, even if you distort their meaning with tedious regularity.
So Hal is supposed to be the smart, bottom-line oriented brother. Fine. Then I hope we don’t have to hear how we can’t go after a particular player because he decided to fold like a cheap suit here. If this deal doesn’t prevent us from making improvements (I don’t mean Lee), then fine (well not so fine if there’s a 4th year). If it does, then this deal is pretty terrible.
Very simple question for you, randy, which will help me understand where you’re really coming from on this topic.
In your opinion, did Yankee management ever think that Derek Jeter would sign a contract for 3 years at $15 million per year?
Either a yes or a no will be sufficient.
Randy-
You better pay attention to me because I’m connected.
# Betsy December 3rd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Buchholz is a great starter after 1 year?
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wouldn’t call him great but a argument could be made that right now he could be a #2 SP on the Yankee staff
“I’m not mad at all, randy, but the odd things that you’re saying don’t seem to be at all tethered by reality.”
nick in sf-
no offense , but i don’t think you’re up to speed on what’s been going on the past few weeks.
you’re kind of jumping in and not really sounding too tuned in to the jeter bashing that took place.
it’s been worse than the posada bashing ever was.
these guys are going to look like fools next summer when their quotes are read back to them.
WC, no he’s not. He struggled for a couple of years and had one big year so far. One year is enough for you to call a player great?
There is no deal with Jeter yet.
Buster_ESPN
Heard this: The Padres and Red Sox are making progress in Adrian Gonzalez talks.
yes
“WC, no he’s not. He struggled for a couple of years and had one big year so far. One year is enough for you to call a player great?”
Hasn’t stopped people from doing it for Greinke, Jiminez, Price, etc.
I will gladly look like a fool if it means that Jeter is OPSing .850+ at SS.
Question: How will you feel if Jeter is OPSing .700??
What is the Jeter deal?
Hasn’t stopped people from doing it for Greinke, Jiminez, Price, etc.
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You need to look closer at Greinke’s career and Jimenez. Both put up multiple 3 ERA seasons before exploding onto the scene
Thank you. I think you’re very wrong about that.
Also, I have followed along more than my posting quantity might suggest… sometimes not too deeply and often not in real time, but I have tried to keep up, partly because there have been some stalker issues on the site that I wanted to monitor.
What is the Jeter deal?
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Nothing yet.
“you’re kind of jumping in and not really sounding too tuned in to the jeter bashing that took place.”
No matter how many times you say it, it’s still bs.
I can understand there being some concern about Swisher’s health, he was not playing really well at the end of the season due to that knee problem.
I still think if it were a choice of Holliday or CC that Holliday would have been the better choice just due to power.
I love how people are saying that the Yankees caved on what they are willing to pay for Jeter without having a clue as to what they internally decided on what it would be. For all we know, they might have taken the stance they did early on to keep the years down and starting where they did could have helped set that up.
Jeter is not the typical FA. His place in Yankee history is huge, and the Yankee FO know that. They aren’t going to let him go, they would look to position themselves as well as possible to start the negotiations.
Randy is doing what the internet would call ‘trolling’
Face….You have so many shadows to hide in when it comes to Derek’s pay…..Let me simplify, 10 years 189 million dollars equates to 18.9 million per campaign…..His new deal will be in the 18.9 to 20 million dollar range….Hence no pay cut….You can rant about AAV all you want, but the bottom line is that Derek Jeter will get paid very much the way he’s been getting paid….And it will not be for what you were complaining about being too much, 3 years at 15 million per…..I’m over all this and I was gone for a week……It’s really ok to be wrong on occasions Face…..
Olney now says Sox discussing package that includes AGon AND Heath Bell with the Pads.
It’s funny that they aren’t reporting what the Sox would give up for this…
nick in sf-
yeah, i knew that happened to you which totally sucks.
things seem better lately though right?
It was bashing, Rich. You bashed nonstop and you continue to do so. No worries, though. I have overcome the condescension.
You are entitled to your opinion Betsy. His first three years he pitched 22, 76 and 92 innings as he developed. Last year he was 17-7 with a 2.33 ERA in the AL East on a team that was riddled by injuries and didn’t hit.
I am not getting into a semantics or word game with you. You can define great anyway you want. I think Buchholz is a great pitcher.
He has a superb fastball – both a two and four-seamer that he throws in the mid-90’s – he has one of the best change-ups in baseball, a knee buckling curve that drops off the table –
and a slider that is above average.
ZMan, none of those pitchers are “great” pitchers yet IMO
# BD (Boston Dave) December 3rd, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Olney now says Sox discussing package that includes AGon AND Heath Bell with the Pads.
It’s funny that they aren’t reporting what the Sox would give up for this…
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they are going to get him…at what cost though & Bell would be a nice add
# MDD2 December 3rd, 2010 at 10:13 pm
It was bashing, Rich. You bashed nonstop and you continue to do so. No worries, though. I have overcome the condescension.
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From the person who compared the treatment of Jeter to the treatment of Vazquez.
You have less than zero credibility with any sentient person.
That’s semantics? Ok………..I guess we have different definitions of the word great (and I didn’t say he didn’t have great stuff). Whatever.
Jerkface – I love how you use your own numbers to determine the ‘paycut’! In Randy’s words, hahahahahahahaha. No one is using that salary figure — that’s not the average of Jeter’s contract, but nice try. And from one of your earlier posts, make a little note to yourself: irregardless is not a word.
Jeter’s on your team – stop being so darn hostile.
The Yankees realized a little too late for my taste that you can conduct negotiations with respect. My frustration had less to do with the dollar amount and more with the tone and tenor of the discussion. I just couldn’t understand why they were working overtime to belittle the man in public. Happy to say that everyone seems to be moving forward…except the Jerkfaces of the world who live to antagonize and belittle.
Pat M
Far more important than what Jeter is paid is what Jeter can still produce and for how long.
None of us know the answer to that question, but to the wacky fanboy (or fangirl, I’m not sexist) faction here you are a basher for even asking the question.
Believe it or not, the Yankees’ FO aren’t total idiots. My guess is whatever Jeter eventually signs for (around 3/$57m) is exactly the figure the Yankees originally decided upon. Jeter has ZERO leverage. The FO knows this. They knew their offer was way above market and Jeter had no other choices. They also knew Jeter wanted more then 3 years. I believe this whole thing was leaked to the press to get fan reaction, which was basically on the Yankees side.
They could have gotten Jeter for less. But they understand players egos, and the value of Jeter to the franchise. By putting the 3/$45m out to the general public, the Yankees now look very generous going to 3/$57m. Them ‘bidding against themselves’ giver Jeter a small moral victory.
I would have like to see them hold firm on 3/$45m…. but the Yankees are smarted then I am.
I strongly suggest Chad start a word of the day post so some posters on here can learn what words mean.
I nominate ‘bashing’ for the entire first week so hopefully those posters will forced to learn what it means.
“I would have like to see them hold firm on 3/$45m…. but the Yankees are smarted then I am.”
Don’t sell yourself short, and I mean that.
The person in question still comments here under various names, but as far as I know he hasn’t attacked anyone or had any outbursts lately.
This was always a no-brainer. No question that Boston was going to have a huge off-season one way or the other. Too much money in their hands and very motivated after last year.
Pay cut is my second nomination.
let’s face it, yankee management is going to pay both jeter and rivera top dollar for these contracts.
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yankee management- 0
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I’m scoring it differently.
Yankee organization and fans – 2
Rest of MLB – 0
Bill Smith got nothing for Santana. Indians got very little for Lee and the Phillies got little for Lee.
Hoyer giving Gonzalez to Boston for not a great package wouldn’t be unprecedented. In fact, the packages for most rental players in recent years have been underwhelming. Certainly, there are more subpar packages acquired than great ones, by a mile.
The fact that so few teams can sign him to a Tex contract (and be located in an area that he wants to play in) only helps Boston’s cause. Then the question is if a team who wants to rent him can offer a better package. Prospects are very valuable in the game today. I doubt teams like Texas or Atlanta going to be throwing them around for rental players.
Face….You have so many shadows to hide in when it comes to Derek’s pay…..Let me simplify, 10 years 189 million dollars equates to 18.9 million per campaign…..His new deal will be in the 18.9 to 20 million dollar range….Hence no pay cut….You can rant about AAV all you want, but the bottom line is that Derek Jeter will get paid very much the way he’s been getting paid….And it will not be for what you were complaining about being too much, 3 years at 15 million per…..I’m over all this and I was gone for a week……It’s really ok to be wrong on occasions Face…..
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You’re talking about a 10 year contract. That spans most regular players normal careers. It also included the final year of his arbitration pay. I’ve already posted the numbers. If you think that Jeter considers his salary from 2001 and 2002 then I think you’re severely off base.
Jeter has made an average of 20 million dollars per year for the last 5 years, the length of most players contracts.
It is definitely a pay cut. You think a player is going to be fine with an AAV if all the money is in a final year team option??? And thanks to a signing bonus, Jeter received 2 million extra per year from 01-08, driving the ‘AAV’ for those years higher actually.
You get paid the average of your entire career at your work?? Didn’t think so. You keep building on your prior salary. Jeter is going to receive less money on his game checks than he received from 2006 forward
MDD2 December 3rd, 2010 at 10:13 pm
It was bashing, Rich. You bashed nonstop and you continue to do so. No worries, though. I have overcome the condescension.
it is a mission & the three muskateers’ raison d’etre. scary really.
Rich – I find myself to be very credible and sincere. This is the second time you’ve tried to insult me with my own words. I checked my Vazquez quote — I said, “I don’t recall this crowd being as hostile to Vazquez. Unbelievable.” Read the thread on the 27th. It was just like a thread after a Vazquez start. No need to insult.
“Yankee organization and fans – 2
Rest of MLB – 0″
bronx jeers-
i’ll go for that.
yankees will be in good shape next year with jeter and rivera in their familiar positions.
http://dictionary.reference.co.....regardless
Please suck it, irregardless might not be a standard word, but its fun to say despite its silly connotations.
If Jeter bounces back next year is Randy really going to subject us to his trolling when it has clearly been stated it is not about one year but 3 4 or 5 years.
but the bottom line is that Derek Jeter will get paid very much the way he’s been getting paid
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Except for the decrease in annual salary of over 2 million dollars
Unless you’re talking about how he was ‘used’ to getting paid in his final year of arbitration… or not accounting for increases in revenue in the sport, or the valuation of the franchise.
Which are all things everyone said Jeter should get a raise for. Instead his pay is decreasing by 2+ million potentially.
You have less than zero credibility with any sentient person.
you’re on a yankee site you bleepin’ clown. you really thought you were going to just run roughshod in here with your passive aggressive crap over people that watched that kid grow up in pinstripes into the player whose history is intertwined with our team inextricably? you thought we were gonna root for YOU and your vindictive little anal posts over him? you thought you were gonna get patted on the back for your feeble attempts at being considered clever and the slayer of us sentimental fools? you thought wrong.
The Padres can receive the best package of players now. The package could include three or four Sox players, one player who may be major league ready. The financial package for Gonzalez would likely be in the form of a six-year extension that could average close to $20 million per season.
The Sox recently courted Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth, but it’s been clear all along that Gonzalez is the prize.
SI_JonHeyman
if adrian gonzalez is traded, he hopes its boston, i hear. could have something to do with their ability to win & to give him teixiera deal
Red Sox Notes: Bell, Beltre, Martin, Wakefield
By Mark Polishuk [December 3 at 9:18pm CST]
The increase in Adrian Gonzalez trade chatter is the biggest news out of Fenway Park today. Here’s a bit of extra news about those rumors plus some other Boston notes…
- Heath Bell’s name has been mentioned in some of the Padres/Red Sox trade talks, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney. Top Boston prospects Casey Kelly and Anthony Rizzo are two of the names discussed in a potential package to San Diego, writes Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe.
- Boston is Gonzalez’s preferred trade destination, tweets Sports Illustrated’s Jon Heyman, possibly due to the fact that the Sox are contenders and they can afford “to give him [a Mark] Teixeira deal.”
We’re taking this argument to the realm of lexicography now?
MDD2 December 3rd, 2010 at 10:24 pm
“Rich – I find myself to be very credible and sincere.”
Too funny.
“This is the second time you’ve tried to insult me with my own words. I checked my Vazquez quote — I said, “I don’t recall this crowd being as hostile to Vazquez.”
You are sincerely incredible.
“It was just like a thread after a Vazquez start. No need to insult.”
You insulted yourself, and continue to do so.
“you’re on a yankee site you bleepin’ clown. you really thought you were going to just run roughshod in here with your passive aggressive crap over people that watched that kid grow up in pinstripes into the player whose history is intertwined with our team inextricably? you thought we were gonna root for YOU and your vindictive little anal posts over him? you thought you were gonna get patted on the back for your feeble attempts at being considered clever and the slayer of us sentimental fools? you thought wrong.”
/troll
You would hope Jeter would be asked to take a paycut coming off a .700 OPS season as he enters his age 37 season.
Fact is though, the Yankees increased the offer for no reason at all. No team would have approached 3/$45 and Jeter would have come crawling back to them. Their leverage was even magnified when SF and LAD filled their SS vacancies. One of the few times the Yanks had leverage and they failed to use it.
What rationale was there for them to increase their offer? And it’s not like it was a million or 2 to seal the deal. If the numbers are correct, it is 4 mil AAV plus a presumably high buyout (that will be dead money on the payroll in 4 years).
If making accurate statements about Jeter constitutes bashing then everyone on here is guilty of doing so.
Except maybe Randy. He has been in a world of his own where fantasy only exists on Jeter.
MDD2 December 3rd, 2010 at 10:24 pm
“ I find myself to be very credible and sincere.”
oh dontcha know sincerity is mock worthy among the hollow men the stuffed men.
Cubs and other teams are also after Gonzalez.
http://Www.mlbtraderumors.com
/troll
you’d know you’ve dedicated your life to trolling all things Jeter
Wow, Rich. You are an incredibly rude man. Pedantic with just a tad of creepiness thrown in. Not a winning combination. You’ve found a home here so I will leave you alone, but there is no need to be so condescending.
“you’d know you’ve dedicated your life to trolling all things Jeter”
You’re too fact-averse to even converse with.
“Wow, Rich. You are an incredibly rude man. Pedantic with just a tad of creepiness thrown in. Not a winning combination. You’ve found a home here so I will leave you alone, but there is no need to be so condescending.”
Wait. You continue to negatively distort everything I have ever posted on #2, yet I’m rude and insulting. That’s absurd on it’s face.
one more time
just remember from Dent to Jeter …Smalley,Foli,Meachem,Tollenson,Raf Santanna,Espinosa, Velarde,S Owen,Gallego & T Fernandez……may this never again happen
The Sox recently courted Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth, but it’s been clear all along that Gonzalez is the prize.
werth is the ticket for fenway dimensions when it comes to him or CC
YankeesWFAN Yanks still working into the night, getting really close on deal w/ Jeter.
Casey Kelly still has value?
The guy has been the most overrated prospect in the recent history.
Not that he can’t be good… but that he was somehow handed “elite” status without yet playing pro ball. And then when he finally did, he sucked.
Andre Robertson was actually good.
Have they moved the bullpens in at Fenway? I read that they were trying to move the fences in 15 feet or so in right-center.
Does the face come with a mouth that shuts on occasion?
“This is the second time you’ve tried to insult me with my own words. I checked my Vazquez quote — I said, “I don’t recall this crowd being as hostile to Vazquez. Unbelievable.” Read the thread on the 27th. It was just like a thread after a Vazquez start. No need to insult.”
MDD2-
insults are a prime weapon of bullying.
i’ll leave it at that.
BD,
I just can’t believe the Sox could deal for Gonzalez with prospects……ill believe it when I see it. Kelly was downright awful in AA this year.
“insults are a prime weapon of bullying.”
You ought to know, randy.
btw, You can’t insult one with their own words, can you? I mean, they own their words.
The Red Sox are truly missing the middle order punch they had with Manny and Ortiz. My guess is they’re doing their best to bolster the meat of their lineup.
I think they’re after Werth and Adrian Gonzalez.
Crawford is not their guy. They were driving up the price for the Yanks and Angels.
BD (Boston Dave) December 3rd, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Casey Kelly still has value?
The guy has been the most overrated prospect in the recent history.
Not that he can’t be good… but that he was somehow handed “elite” status without yet playing pro ball. And then when he finally did, he sucked
-Red Lobster December 3rd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Bill Smith got nothing for Santana. Indians got very little for Lee and the Phillies got little for Lee.
Hoyer giving Gonzalez to Boston for not a great package wouldn’t be unprecedented. In fact, the packages for most rental players in recent years have been underwhelming. Certainly, there are more subpar packages acquired than great ones, by a mile.
The fact that so few teams can sign him to a Tex contract (and be located in an area that he wants to play in) only helps Boston’s cause. Then the question is if a team who wants to rent him can offer a better package. Prospects are very valuable in the game today. I doubt teams like Texas or Atlanta going to be throwing them around for rental players.
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However, you would think both Hoyer and Jason McLeod would more highly rate or overrate Boston’s prospects than they maybe should b/c they had a hand in drafting them. Hopefully not, but the Pads might be very happy with a package of Kelly, Rizzo, Kalish and Iglesias as those are likely some of their “boys,” & Boston is clearly not afraid to trade their top specs as we all know. It would suck though if Sox get A-Gon without giving up anything but prospects.
“Casey Kelly still has value?
The guy has been the most overrated prospect in the recent history.”
red sox management has to feed the fans something after them tuning out to the red sox this past summer.
it’s hard to believe that nesn was down 40%.
… especially with how many times i tuned in to watch them lose
Pat,
Thanks for the update. I want both of Mo and Jeter to sign on the line so I can get my birthday present on Thursday. Then we can all be happy.
Derek Jeter and the Yankees could have a contract finalized by Saturday, according to Roger Rubin and Bill Madden of the New York Daily News. The reported deal would pay Jeter “in the neighborhood of $19MM annually” over three years, and there could be a fourth year that vests if Jeter meets certain “reachable parameters.”
The $19MM annual salary roughly matches the average salary earned by the Yankee captain over the span of the 10-year, $189MM pact he signed with New York before the 2001 season, if a mild step down from the $21MM he earned in 2010. $19MM also happens to be about the midpoint between each side’s demands — Jeter was reportedly looking for $23MM per season and the Bronx Bombers only offered a three-year, $45MM contract.
If Jeter signs by the weekend and Mariano Rivera’s contract is soon finalized, the Yankees will reach their goal of having both franchise icons back in the fold before the start of the winter meetings on Monday.
Great to hear WCYF.
On the OF configuration with Crawford…
BTW, thanx “Lost” for all your input.
I think it would be Crawford, Granderson, Swisher with Gardner on the bench until he proves he’s healthy.
Gardner will be traded because he’s worth more to another team as a leadoff center fielder than he is to the Yanks as a 4th OF.
I’d keep Swish for now and use Gardner sometime next year to acquire an elite reliever.
Surely the Gardner worshippers must think he’s worth that much.
As for Swish…see how he does in 2011 and maybe think about buying out his option for 2012 if a good deal comes up for a RF candidate. I’m looking at Kemp down the road, maybe after 2011.
I know Kemp is a CF/LF but he’s a big boy who’s losing speed. RF YS is small so he could do well out there. He has a strong arm.
WCYF,
You are 2.5 hours behind buddy
Glad to see Jeter didn’t capitulate to Yankee management. I respect him even more.
I’m am glad this Jeter fiasco is going to be over soon. And yes, it has been a fiasco. Maybe not behind closed doors, but this is New York and fans and the media matter, as does public perception.
Yankees management has handled this about as poorly as they possibly could have. Four boorish, dour, executives speaking out publicly in an arrogant manner, attempting to make their most important asset look bad and refusing to recognize his intrinsic value to their franchise.
Derek Jeter will come out of this with his dignity and reputation intact and will continue to be loved and revered. He will be elected to the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, get 3,000 hits as a Yankee, get a plaque and have his jersey retired. He will be a historical figure forever.
No will will even remember Levine, Cashman Hank and Hal’s names a few years from now.
also say it’s hard to believe a 36% drop on NESN for Sox games but it’s true…and they sell out every home game
“No will will even remember Levine, Cashman Hank and Hal’s names a few years from now.”
And then you woke up.
Behind what LGY?
No will will even remember Levine, Cashman Hank and Hal’s names a few years from now.
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Pretty bold claim. Also glad of the Yankee management not to capitulate to Jeter’s outrageous 23 million demands
“Behind what LGY?”
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That exact article you reference was posted at the top of this thread. That is what we have been talking about this entire time.
They split the difference. That’s called a negotiation. Close knows what he is doing. The Yankees tried to play hardball and give Jeter an ultimatum for 3-$45. They were laughed at.
That’s called a negotiation. Close knows what he is doing. The Yankees tried to play hardball and give Jeter an ultimatum
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An ultimatum isn’t a negotiation.
No it wasn’t. This just posted on MLBTR look at the time stamp.
Good to hear they will get it done before the winter meetings start so they can put full focus on Lee. 3/57 isn’t going to affect the Yanks significantly more than 3/45 would…..if there is a vesting option i’ll be interested to see what triggers the option.
things started moving when they meet with Jeter…..
No will will even remember Levine, Cashman Hank and Hal’s names a few years from now.
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Why will we forget these names? Are you predicting a collective case of Lohud amnesia?
“They split the difference. That’s called a negotiation. Close knows what he is doing. The Yankees tried to play hardball and give Jeter an ultimatum for 3-$45. They were laughed at.”
Heh. They held all the cards.
No it wasn’t. This just posted on MLBTR look at the time stamp.
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MLBTR is behind the times then, and ergo you are.
I wanted Jeter at 4 years 56 million.
With his reachable 4th year option, he’ll make closer to 4 years 80 million.
IMHO that’s way too much…but it’s not my money.
I want to see him finish as a Yankee and I’m hopeful for a 2 year deal after these next 4 to give him a shot at 4,000 hits.
Jerkface you were wrong on this. Just admit it. You look like a fool.
Why will we forget these names? Are you predicting a collective case of Lohud amnesia?
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WCYF is predicting that Jeter will buy the team once his 3 years are up. Unfortunately he forgets how miserly Jeter is, and the Yankees will spiral into last place as the Captain puts harsh, money saving budget restrictions on payroll.
“No it wasn’t. This just posted on MLBTR look at the time stamp.”
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You call me the arguer?
Look at the top of the thread and look at the article referenced as the source for MLBTR.
“Jerkface you were wrong on this. Just admit it. You look like a fool.”
From the person who just typed:
“No will will even remember Levine, Cashman Hank and Hal’s names a few years from now.”
You can’t make this stuff up.
was wrong on both ends saying Mo…2/36 and Jeter 3/54…….
“and will continue to be loved and revered”
Jeter making $19M will be crucified by fans in the bleachers and ripped apart on blogs in whichever season he nosedives (or continues last year’s nosedive). Especially if the team is choking on other huge contracts at the same time.
As any open-minded person paying attention could see, this negotiation showed that Jeter does not have the blind loyalty or teflon image that many – including himself – thought he had.
The Yankees and Jeter have not agreed to $19 million guys!
WCYF just posted what we have been talking about for 2.5 hours now.
That they are close to a deal and are in the “neighborhood” of 19 per.
How about we wait for some breaking news or they finalize the deal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
LGY – I posted a new update from MLBTR. Look at the time stamp.
West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 8:36 pm
“………You better get Lee and another Loogy if you are gonna? face AG all year. I have seen him play quite a few times in person; he is a monster.
Who would the “you” be that you are referring to?
Meant to write…blind loyalty from fans.
Jeter probably needs to concentrate less on his mansion, his Minka and his money, and concern himself with earning his paycheck on the field rather than cruising by as an “icon” while he pounds grounders to shortstops all year (again).
No Pat. You would be a team in the AL East like the Yankees.
“You can’t make this stuff up.”
i can remember the yankee gms and owners when mantle played ?
no, i can’t really.
no, fans remember players.
george is an exception.
fans will remember george.
well,maybe hank too, but that’s just because he was smoking that cigarette next to the propane tanks when he blew up the kentucky derby in 2024.
“LGY – I posted a new update from MLBTR. Look at the time stamp.”
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No one cares about a 2.5 hour late update from MLBTR citing the article we have been talking about this whole time.
lownthrowindown December 3rd, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Meant to write…blind loyalty from fans.
Jeter probably needs to concentrate less on his mansion, his Minka and his money, and concern himself with earning his paycheck on the field rather than cruising by as an “icon” while he pounds grounders to shortstops all year (again).
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he going to get a lot of inside pitching in 2011
Had to get the Derek and Rivera old business done before the Winter Meetings so now Cashman can start on new business….
Well LGY you don’t get to dictate what anyone posts here. If you don’t like it, ignore it or keep embarrassing yourself with your inane comments. Hope that is clear.
“i can remember the yankee gms and owners when mantle played ?
no, i can’t really.
no, fans remember players.
george is an exception.
fans will remember george.
well,maybe hank too, but that’s just because he was smoking that cigarette next to the propane tanks when he blew up the kentucky derby in 2024.”
The guy said people won’t remember Hank, Hal, Cash, in “a few years,” not 50.
That’s just goofy.
What a joke.
Jeter turns in an absolutely lousy year, flunks in the ALCS, and the Yankees blink significantly, raising their initial offer $4million per season?
I’m a Yankee fan, not a Jeter fan. This team should be investing in winning, not in nostalgia.
Why not resign Tino and Brosius while we’re at it?
well,maybe hank too, but that’s just because he was smoking that cigarette next to the propane tanks when he blew up the kentucky derby in 2024.
LOFL. hank’s a cartoon.
The point Rich is that the Yankee executives involved in this contract negotiation mean little to the game historically. They are just another set of suits who will fade into anonymity while Derek Jeter’s prominent place in baseball history will last forever.
Why not resign Tino and Brosius while we’re at it?
um ok.
hope the needle has moved by the time I wake up.
Hal and Hank are both chumps.
“Had to get the Derek and Rivera old business done before the Winter Meetings so now Cashman can start on new business…”
pat m-
sounds good to me.
i still haven’t warmed up to lee.
something about him bothers me, but maybe it’s just that i just couldn’t stand him as an opponent.
WCYF,
You are really out there man. I posted that you were a few hours behind as a joke and you turned this into some strange argument despite being clearly wrong.
“The point Rich is that the Yankee executives involved in this contract negotiation mean little to the game historically. They are just another set of suits who will fade into anonymity while Derek Jeter’s prominent place in baseball history will last forever.”
Yes, Players > Suits
That’s obvious, but don’t underestimate the role of suits.
Smart suits ensure that great players play with a bunch of other great players. That is why the Yankees have won 5 rings since ’96, not because of any one player.
If Boston trades for Gonzalez the Padres should make them pay thru the nose!!!!!!!!!
I have to laugh at Jeter proclaiming that he wouldn’t take a salary cut. That’s a wish, not a declaration. Was he actually threatening to retire? I don’t think so.
I sure wish the Yanks had signed Jeter for closer to his real value and used the extra money to sign Russell Martin. Granted, money spent on Martin might be a waste if he doesn’t recover from his injuries or if Montero is so good that Martin isn’t needed. OTOH the extra money spent on Jeter is a waste for sure.