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Cashman’s alter ego makes it 22 stories and tells the tale

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The practice run is over for Brian Cashman. This morning, the Yankees general manager was in Stamford for an early run through of Sunday’s Heights & Lights rappel down the 22-story Landmark Building. The hair Cashman wore this morning was a wig. Cashman called it his alter ego.

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159 Responses to “Cashman’s alter ego makes it 22 stories and tells the tale”

  1. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Surreal.

  2. I Like Inge December 3rd, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Damn that takes guts.

  3. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    See Chad I thought that the wispy baldness that we normally see is a wig – thanks for clearing that up :-)

  4. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    He’s like Spider-Man!! ;)

  5. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    I Like Inge December 3rd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    Damn that takes guts.

    —————–

    the look on his face in the second picture came when his safety guy told him he’s a Sox fan.

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Surreal.

    Damage control.

  7. JM December 3rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Cashman looks petrified in these photos. Not that I can blame him. :)

  8. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    If I had witnessed that first picture, I’d remind Cashman that he can’t crawl down 22 stories.

    Wait until he was the night rappell and that cold wind is whipping around. “MAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA”.

  9. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    these pictures made my day.

  10. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Wait until he ***is doing*** the

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Could see Crawford for seven. He’d be what, 36, in his walk year. Still viable for RIGHT field then if he loses a step still would easily cover. Doesn’t have a limp arm either. Has enough power to yank pitches into the rightfield stands.

  12. Nick in SF December 3rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    In a related story, Seattle Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik ate an entire reindeer.

  13. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    The last thing you want to hear is “OOOPS” or feel the slight ripping of that safety belt.

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    He got some crow eating to do soon too once Jesus establishes The Bat.

  15. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Nick in SF December 3rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    In a related story, Seattle Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik ate an entire reindeer.

    **************************
    It wasn’t one of Santa’s reindeer was it???? :(

  16. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    I’ll bet those pix are fake. They’re only walking on the top of a mock building, laying on it’s side. Like on the old Batman TV show. I’m expecting some celebrity to open a window and say something to Cashman.

  17. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Sign Crawford, Sign Lee

    Trade Swisher to the Phillies for Madson and a prospect, move Granderson to RF, Gardner to CF and play Crawford in LF

    Use Madson to set up Rivera.

  18. Fran the original December 3rd, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    GB,

    I thought the same thing about those pictures-the old Batman TV show :)

    Hope you’re doing well.

  19. Lori December 3rd, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    I love Cashman. Just listen to the interview on the link Chad posted. He’s a guy that has his head on straight and has his priorities in order.

  20. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    I disagree Chip. I am listening to him right now, he has an encyclopedic memory and knows every team’s needs inside and out, and he’s well connected with scores of sources. I realize it’s fun internet fodder to slam writers.

    ————————————–

    Here’s the thing – and it’s not really a slam of Heyman – I just don’t think any of them; Heyman, Rosenthal, Gammons, Olney – stand out of the pack. They all have similar sources if not the same sources and all of these sources do the same thing – use the media to get a story out that they want out.

    It’s not like these guys are investigating what’s going on – during the Winter Meetings they sit in the hotel lobby and wait for the GMs to come through and tell them what’s going on.

    A guy like Heyman for example may be more plugged in with the Yankees based on his time in NY than say a guy like Stark and so when the Yankees are busy, Heyman hears about it first and breaks the news – but if it were the Phillies then you would be hearing from Stark…ya know what I’m saying?

  21. JTfromNY December 3rd, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    What I’m most impressed with is how he managed to change his coat on the way down. Check out pic #3…

  22. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Afternoon, Fran. Doing alright. Missing the twins and “Killer” though. It was enjoyable having them here for a short time, though the reason wasn’t what I wanted. Hope all is well with you and family.

    I loved that hokey as Hell TV show. Pure camp and harmless fun. Every big name in the entertainment field wanted on there, either as the guest villain or in the window. They don’t make shows like that or Laugh-In any more, sadly.

  23. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Cashman looks like Gene Wilder.

  24. Joe from Long Island December 3rd, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    That takes a lot of guts.

    GB – does this bring back memories?

  25. JM December 3rd, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Loved Laugh-In.

    Here’s a funny little clip:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WIWq3qikXo

  26. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    oe from Long Island December 3rd, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    That takes a lot of guts.

    GB – does this bring back memories?

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Hey, Joe. Memories? Yeah…good and bad. Nothing worse than rappelling or jumping and having the sudden urge to answer the call of nature about half way down .

  27. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Chip:

    You make may some crazy a$$ trade proposals, but your assessment of these national baseball writers seems right on the money.

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Francesa and Heyman just had a ten minute conversation about Derek Jeter – it was riveting and fascinating. I hope others heard it on WFAN or YES.

  29. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5878632

    Speaking of Derek Jeter

  30. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    The word riveting should not ever be used to describe a conversation between Francesa and Heyman, unless it is in the sentence, “Workers were busy riveting steel plates across the windows and doors that led into the WFAN building, trapping Francesca and Heyman inside for the good of humanity.”

  31. hardwired7 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    after he made it back to ground level, Cashman’s alter ego went into a near-by studio and laid down a few tracks with the band Poison.

  32. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    The best of Laugh-In was The Farkle Family. Fred and Fanny Farkle, daughters Sparkle Farkle and Flicker Farkle and twins Simon and Gar Farkle…along with good friend and trusted neighbor, Ferd Berfle.

  33. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Very intelligent comment Jerkface. Did you hear the conversation?

  34. saucY December 3rd, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    i cannot stop laughing at these pics :lol:

  35. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    WCYF:

    I had to abandon ship before they got to Jeter. What were the salient points?

  36. BD (Boston Dave) December 3rd, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    why do I see randy l standing nearby with a pair of bolt cutters?

    (just kidding randy)

  37. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Jerkface, didn’t you one convince Heyman that you had a copy of the ’04 steroid list?

  38. Fran the original December 3rd, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    GB,

    Batman. Laugh-In. Bringing back old memories :)

  39. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    “riveting” describes the look on Manny Ramirez’ face while he watches a ceiling fan turning in circles, not listening to Francesa and Heyman outspit outstutter each other as they talk.

  40. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Jerkface, didn’t you one convince Heyman that you had a copy of the ‘04 steroid list?

    Yes, he called it ‘the most genuine one he has seen’, but after a week of scrutinizing it he found I left off Sammy Sosa. How I managed to do that I don’t know, but I was this close to having a list featuring Albert Pujols and Ken Griffey Jr made public by Jon Heyman

  41. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    “I had to abandon ship before they got to Jeter. What were the salient points?”

    ————————-

    That the Yankees have moved up from 3/45, but Heyman has no idea how much, no idea how high the Yankees will go, no idea what Jeter wants, and no idea how far Jeter is willing to come down.

    Then Heyman went on with his typical stuff about how Jeter’s anonymous friends say Jeter is not happy with the situation and feels disrespected.

    Heyman said he thinks the max the Yankees will go is 3/54 and maybe an option. Basically he is going to keep throwing stuff at the wall until something finally sticks.

  42. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    How the heck did you manage that?

    You could have ruined him.

    Not that that would have been a bad thing.

  43. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Fran the original December 3rd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    GB,

    Batman. Laugh-In. Bringing back old memories

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Fran,

    I’ve been spending my time buying and watching those old shows like Batman, Superman, Laugh-In and McHale’s Navy. Tim Conway and Carl Ballentine are riots on McHale’s Navy.

  44. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Mell I hesitate to say as I don’t want to get it wrong; they talked about so much and in such detail. I’ll try.

    Heyman did say he thought a deal would get done at $54 for three years with a possible option and that was the absolute ceiling for the Yankees. He said even that maybe a couple of million too high.

    They agreed that quantifying Jeter’s value to the Yankees brand was the big sticking point, it’s almost impossible to do but a very legitimate thing to consider when you are talking about Jeter.

    Heyman intimated that Jeter’s friends/associates said Jeter was unhappy with Cashman’s comments. Not the tone, but the players he was compared with.

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    LGY you are factually wrong. Why do you post things that aren’t true? Heyman clearly said when asked by Francesa, that he thought $54 with “maybe” an option would be where they ended up. Anyone that has a DVR and recorded it please go listen.

  46. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    General evil geniusery.

  47. Cashman needs to go December 3rd, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    JTfromNY December 3rd, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    What I’m most impressed with is how he managed to change his coat on the way down. Check out pic #3…

    ******************************

    Not only that but cashman also has reindeer antlers on his head in picture #3 and the guy next to him has an elf hat on…..something fishy going on here….

  48. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Heyman completely made up the 3/54 with maybe an option.

    Francesa kept pressing him for a number, but Heyman made it clear he is just guessing on the 3/54 and it is not based on any sort of sources.

    The only thing Heyman made clear was that Jeter is getting a pay cut.

    The rest was speculation and his typical bs.

  49. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Me thinks I sense some jealousy on the part of some bloggers and baseball fans who are envious of the job that Heyman and others like he have. You think you know more and would do a better job. That’s the way it appears to me.

  50. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Heyman clearly said when asked by Francesa, that he thought $54 with “maybe” an option would be where they ended up.

    .. and this is relevant… how? Lots of people write what they think is going on every day, none of them know. Why do you post things that are factually impossible to prove?

  51. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Anybody that dreams of being Jon Heyman has mental issues.

  52. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Just looks at Heyman’s twitter page.

    His sources have him spinning more than a dreidel* with this Jeter stuff.

    *Thought I’d keep it festive :)

  53. Fran the original December 3rd, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    GB,

    I do love watching TV Land and Nick at Nite for the old programs,

  54. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Me thinks I sense some jealousy on the part of some bloggers and baseball fans who are envious of the job that Heyman and others like he have. You think you know more and would do a better job. That’s the way it appears to me.

    I am jealous that Jon Heyman is allowed to pontificate on MLB Network, I’d be a way funnier and better analyst than him. As would many people on this blog.

    Some all-stars from the ‘list’: Angel Berroa, Miguel Cairo, David Eckstein, Juan Pierre, David Ortiz, Daniel Plesac, Albert Pujols, Curt Schilling, John Smoltz.

    See I managed to refrain from putting Jeter on a fake steroids list.

  55. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Thanks WCYF.

    I’m a little inclined to agree with other who say that Heyman oftentimes slings it against the wall and hopes it sticks, but I think that’s less true in his comments/reporting on the Yankees, where he’s probably still a little plugged in.

  56. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    Anybody that dreams of being Jon Heyman has mental issues.

    ***************************

    :lol:

  57. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    I’m losing my job in 10 days. As much as I understand Jeter wanting to keep his same salary, I’m having a hard time mustering up much sympathy for him. He has no idea how lucky he is. He should be grateful that he’s even in the position to whine about $45M.

  58. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Francesa kept pushing Heyman, what’s the end game *sips diet coke* what’s the end game for each side, but Heyman didn’t know.

    There was no new info.

    They raised their 3/45 offer. The ball is in Derek’s court now.

  59. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    As I said, Francesa and Heyman had a baseball conversation. A dialogue, where opinions were exchanged. It is not a game of making predictions and wanting to be right. Ball clubs change their minds in the middle of thinking through a deal all the time.

    The reason Heyman is so widely respected and why he is a regular on MLB and so many other sports programs, is that he knows baseball so well. Francesa asked him about every single free agent out there. Heyman knew it all, he reviewed them in great detail, and he gave his opinion as to what might happen based upon club needs, money, what the agents and what players have told him. He on more than one occasion mentioned conversations he had with clubs. He has the connections.

  60. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Laura, I’m real sorry to hear that. Best of luck to you.

  61. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    ran the original December 3rd, 2010 at 3:29 pm
    GB,

    I do love watching TV Land and Nick at Nite for the old programs,

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Fran, it’s been a long time ince I’ve seen TVKand that I don’t know what they are showing these days, but, they always had some great shows. Wish they’d put some of the old cop shows like “Burke’s Law”, San Francisco Beat” and “M-Squad” on there, “Home Improvement” is always great viewing.

  62. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Laura-very sorry to hear that.

  63. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Sorry Laura. :(

  64. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Heyman, Stark, Olney…those guys don’t bother me. It’s their job to guess what the clubs are doing. The guy I can’t stand is Seth Everett. CAN’T.STAND.HIM.

  65. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Lmao, you’re shilling for Heyman. He is a hard working guy, but his opinions are terrible and he doesn’t ever scoop a non-Boras signing. He has no good opinions, everyone wins every trade.

    Follow him on twitter if you’re a fan of comedy, not baseball.

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    There is nothing wrong with taking a shot if you are in the midst of it all like Heyman is and surmising what a particular result might be. He doesn’t claim to know it all. Francesa asked him a couple of questions where he said he didn’t know.

  67. Patrick December 3rd, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Jerkface still waiting for your response… i must find a 3-jeter moon shirt

  68. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Thanks, guys! I didn’t post that to make you all feel bad. I just find it hard to keep posting about Jeter when he could buy and sell me a million times over. $45M isn’t good enough for him? Well, it should be.

  69. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Laura-

    Nice of your company to cut you loose right around the Holidays.

    Do they like kicking infants and tripping old ladies too ?

    I hope that since this door closed a better one opens up again real soon.

  70. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Laura I am really sorry to hear that and hope you find another one really soon. I’m sure you will.

  71. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    No such shirt exists, Patrick, or else I too would own one.

  72. JM December 3rd, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Laura,

    Sorry to hear about the job loss. :( Things are very tough these days; layoffs again last week where I work (fifth round since May 2008), so yeah, baseball players (and other professional athletes) live in a bit of a fantasy world.

    On a much, much lighter note, as for Laugh-In, you gotta love Goldie Hawn…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  73. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    I am jealous that Jon Heyman is allowed to pontificate on MLB Network, I’d be a way funnier and better analyst than him.

    **********************

    And there you have it. Narcissism run amok.

  74. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    “Nice of your company to cut you loose right around the Holidays.”

    Corporate America. The gift that keeps on giving. :P

  75. Patrick December 3rd, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    No such shirt exists, Patrick, or else I too would own one.

    My dreams are shattered

  76. Pat M. December 3rd, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    As stated before on many occasion, Derek Jeter Will in the end not sign for a cut in salary……He’ll get a 3 year deal for right around the 18.9 he averaged for the 10 year deal that just expired……The new contract will include have a 4th year club option……It’s that simple folks….Is is not good news for Face and Rich in NJ…

  77. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Father Guido Sarducci says:

    Jeter will sign soon.

    AP will return.

    Cliff will be a Yankee.

    The Yankees will’a win number 28 nexta year.

    :)

  78. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    “Laura I am really sorry to hear that and hope you find another one really soon. I?m sure you will.”

    Thanks for the positive thoughts. I’d really like to be the Yankees Travel secretary, but I think that job is taken already. :)

  79. Fran the original December 3rd, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Laura,

    I am sorry to hear that. As someone who has been unemployed for a while. I empathize with you,

  80. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    “Francesa asked him about every single free agent out there. Heyman knew it all, he reviewed them in great detail, and he gave his opinion as to what might happen based upon club needs, money, what the agents and what players have told him.”

    —————-

    Heyman’s predictions IIRC

    Lee- NYY, Beltre- LAA, Soriano- LAA, Werth- BOS, Pena- Cubs, Konerko- CWS

    Not exactly a lot of analysis or deep thought to these predictions.

  81. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Pat M,

    I’m just wondering what happens if you end up being wrong about that?

  82. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Beltre and Soriano to LAA? Where does he have Crawford go then?

  83. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Thanks for the positive thoughts. I?d really like to be the Yankees Travel secretary, but I think that job is taken already.

    **************************

    You could always apply to be assistant to the traveling secretary. Then again, I don’t know if anybody could do a better job at that position than George Costanza. :)

  84. Patrick December 3rd, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Pat M.,

    It’s not like the saber guys are the only ones that think Jeter should take a paycut… SJ44 has posted that he should numerous times.

    Anyways, why do you think Jeter will get 3 years with a 4th yr option @ 18.9 million? Nobody has offered Jeter more than the Yankees have. Will he retire out of spite or something?

  85. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    ID,

    I think he said Crawford to LAA also, but kept hedging his bets saying the Yankees were involved.

    I wasn’t really listening when he was talking about Crawford though tbh.

  86. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Laura, if you can talk without drooling and spittiing like Heyman or don’t bob your head up and down and wrinkle your nose when you talk, like Rosenthal, you can get a job replacing them on MLB. You can make crap up as well as they do and Amzinger and Harold Reynolds are tired of the dry cleaning bills after a night on the air with Heyman. Besides that, you probably wouldn’t need a booster seat to get high enough to get your face in the shot.

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    I’m losing my job in 10 days. As much as I understand Jeter wanting to keep his same salary, I’m having a hard time mustering up much sympathy for him. He has no idea how lucky he is. He should be grateful that he’s even in the position to whine about $45M.

    Sincerely sorry to hear it. The country is going through a very rough period. I am curious though why you are not upset with the Yankees raising ticket prices, but pick a beef with Derek Jeter trying to negotiate what is his final long-term contract. I’m also not sure how you would know that Jeter has “no idea” “how lucky he is.” Seems to me his current situation has nothing to do with luck. He spent years developing his skills, paid his dues in the minors, and worked hard to achieve what he has. That has got absolutely nothing to do with what you or I make.

  88. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    “I am sorry to hear that. As someone who has been unemployed for a while. I empathize with you,”

    Thanks, Fran. I’ve got my fingers crossed that it won’t be too long.

  89. Patrick December 3rd, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Laura,

    I’m really sorry to hear that about your job :(

  90. Crawdaddy December 3rd, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    As much as I love Jeter, he doesn’t deserve a raise nor four or more years. Anything below 19M and at 3 years I won’t be unhappy with.

  91. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    How about them Fighting Irish, Pat?

  92. Pat M. December 3rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    LGY….I’ll end uo looking like a horse’s behind……Patrick, He’ll get closer to what he wanted all the long….No cut in pay, and the chance to play for another 4 years….Of course I very well be wrong, however I stated this from the very beginning……

  93. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    “He spent years developing his skills, paid his dues in the minors, and worked hard to achieve what he has.”

    He most certainly did. That doesn’t mean that he’s ignorant of the fact that he is a very fortunate individual who has had blessings in his life that others haven’t. It’s not Derek’s fault that I’m losing my job and I don’t blame him for that. That being said, I’m sure he knows that many people can’t relate to him being offended at “only” being offered $45M.

  94. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Pat M-

    You are cleverly defining your success down. Most people would consider being paid the average of their last 10 years’ salary a pay cut.

    For you to win crowing rights, Derek needs to sign for an AAV of at least $21M.

  95. Howe Farr December 3rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    It sucks to be fired and or being unemployed. But comparing our jobs to that of a baseball player is a stretch.
    First of all, im pretty sure none of us work in a business where the average salary is around 2million dollars.
    Second, to reach the major league is way different to having a job in corporate america. There are 30 teams and each team has 25 players that is 750 men reach the major, a much much more selective group than most of our jobs.
    Third, baseball is a billion dollar business. If you have the talent and the sticking power to reach and stay in baseball, you are entitled to get as much money as possible.
    Fourth, viewing things from a workers side of things, Jeter should demand as much money as possible. I rather have the workers make the money that the owners keep the money.

    Again, sorry that you lost your job, but your situation should not be compared to that of Jeter’s request for x amount of money. Its 2010 and its time that people (fan) realize that baseball is a business, and as a business, people should get paid.

  96. Patrick December 3rd, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Pat M.,

    You tend to be right about a lot of things but in this case, why would the Yankees keep increasing their offer to Derek if he doesn’t have any other offers on the table?

  97. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    A 3 year deal (because 3+1 is a 3 year deal unless Jeter is awesome, in which case its a win for the yankees) is fine by me. Its what I hoped for all along. 3 years for less than 20 million.

  98. NicoLA December 3rd, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Bradley Cooper anyone?

  99. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Despite my ‘jeter bashing’ (which is mostly just fact pointing outing) , I’ve said the Yankees should re-sign Jeter for 2 years, but I would be fine with 3 years, its when it goes into 4+ years that it gets dicey.

  100. coney1 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    SI_JonHeyman meeting could happen between crawford, #yankees as early as next week.

  101. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    “Again, sorry that you lost your job, but your situation should not be compared to that of Jeter?s request for x amount of money. Its 2010 and its time that people (fan) realize that baseball is a business, and as a business, people should get paid.”

    Howe, if my post made it seem like I was comparing my situation to Derek’s, that’s my bad. My point is that at this particular moment, I don’t feel sorry that he’s only being offered $45M. That’s really the only point I was trying to make.

  102. Patrick December 3rd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Jerkface,

    You are pissing all over my childhood with your Jeter bashing.

  103. Patrick December 3rd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    SI_JonHeyman meeting could happen between crawford, #yankees as early as next week.

    Obviously the Yankees are trying to make the Red Sox nervous :)

  104. Yanks78 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    The problem with these writers is that they should stick to breaking stories… anytime they provide analysis, it is terrible and people question how much they really know.

    Heyman does have good sources – he has been all over the Jeter stuff (first to say 3/$45, first to say definitely that the Yanks would raise the offer to him, etc.) and got the scoops about the other teams bidding for Rivera.

    Heyman, Olney, Sherman probably have the best Yankee sources. Sherman actually has a very high baseball IQ if you read his articles or listen to him on XM. Heyman is good at breaking stories, but dilutes that when he talks about the actual game. Though to be fair, Francessa treats him as if he is an analyst rather than an insider.

  105. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    In all seriousness, Heyman is alright at times for the reasons Chip mentioned. Teams and Scott Boras use him to get info out. So he is basically better than nothing.

    When he tries to analyze or give his opinion on anything though, it is painfully terrible.

  106. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Yanks78, I agree fully, writers should write and should stay in the ‘human interest’ side of baseball. Their analysis comes up much shorter. Which is why I hate when Heyman gets on MLB Network because they often include him in their analysis segments, when they should only be going to him for contract discussion.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    That doesn’t mean that he’s ignorant of the fact that he is a very fortunate individual who has had blessings in his life that others haven’t. It’s not Derek’s fault that I’m losing my job and I don’t blame him for that. That being said, I’m sure he knows that many people can’t relate to him being offended at “only” being offered $45M.

    You said he doesn’t “know how lucky he is”. I think Jeter actually does, but we can’t pretend to know what’s in the heart of a stranger. Making a false correlation because we are hurting and need to vent is fine, but that’s what it is. The Yankees know all about people getting dismissed from their jobs and they are preying on their feelings because they know the false correlation makes people feel better even though it has no basis in reality. The Energy of Resentment is the card they play. Make a villain of the player. Works every time. Fans resent ALL ballplayers and those who have a cushier life than they do. It even motivates some people to follow sports. Psychology 101 and sports teams in negotiations with players have paid heed to it forever.

  108. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Yanks78 December 3rd, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    The problem with these writers is that they should stick to breaking stories? anytime they provide analysis, it is terrible and people question how much they really know.

    ********************************
    agree 100%

  109. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Yanks78 and LGy just nailed it.

    Heyman gets paid to report news, not create it and certainly not to analyze it.

    Although… If more reporters would go back to reporting, rather than guessing… this place would be all sorts of boring during the winter.

  110. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    I like Verducci more than Heyman. Sherman isn’t bad. Again, Satan’s love child is Seth Everett. HATE.THAT.GUY.

  111. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Writers often cannot be trusted to give valid analysis because they cannot risk alienating their sources.

    Which is why all of Heyman’s ‘trade analysis’ is ‘good for both teams’. Also he gets really butt hurt if you call him out on Twitter.

  112. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Nice post Yanks78.

  113. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    prufrock – What are you going on about now?

  114. Eroc December 3rd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    “Again, Satan’s love child is Seth Everett. ”

    Thankfully, he left 1050. He does NJ Nets halftime shows on WFAN now. Shows how far he has fallen

  115. Pat M. December 3rd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Wave…..I don’t look at the AAV numbers, maybe I should…..

  116. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Most current Free Agent Tracking List

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011-mlb-free-agents

  117. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    The other night one faction was stuck at 3/$45 and the other was at +4/+$20M.

    Everyone seems to be moderating expectations today so maybe Derek will too.

  118. Pat M. December 3rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    GB….I saw the last 15 minutes of the USC / Irish game as I was in the beautiful city of San Francisco……I was surprised to see rain at The Coliseum…….

  119. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    “Fans resent ALL ballplayers and those who have a cushier life than they do. ”

    J Alfred, I don’t resent Derek or Alex or any other rich baseball player. Never have. I also don’t feel sorry for them when they don’t get the $$$ they feel they deserve. Derek’s not a villain in this back and forth with the Yankees. He’s also not a victim. They made him a fair offer. If he doesn’t like it, he should try to find a better one.

    I’m on record with being okay with 3/60 as I feel he should be compensated for his history with the team, iconic status and the fact that he generates a lot of revenue for the Yankees. However, a 4 year deal or an AAV more than 20M/year is just wrong.

  120. Eroc December 3rd, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Heyman’s public speaking skills are not the best either. He kind of mumbles along and repeats his cliched answers. I remember when he was talking about Marte a few years ago he said he “throws extremely hard”. That’s usually the type of analysis you get from Heyman.

  121. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Pat M-

    You were referring to the AAV (average annual value) of Jeter’s last deal – $18M and change.

    I’m not going to let you pull the spread between Jeter’s average salary and his 2010 salary to your side of the table. Whadaya think I am, dumb or something?

    You get no credit for Jeter prognostication from me unless Jeter gets an average annual salary in excess of his 2010 salary.

  122. Crawdaddy December 3rd, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Why the hate for Seth Everett?

  123. Patrick from CT December 3rd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    I have been saying the same as Pat M for weeks now.
    I don’t think Jeter gets a pay cut.
    3 years 18.9mil with a 4th year option and buyout.
    The buyout could be 6.3mil that gets him to 3/21 in the end.
    Look at it how every you like; 18.9 is what his average was for his last contract, 21 is what he made last year.
    I don’t really care what he gets paid though, it’s not my money, just get him signed…

  124. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    “Why the hate for Seth Everett?”

    Ever listen to him on the ESPN Baseball Today Podcast? He is an obnoxious jerk, who hates Alex Rodriquez.

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Jeter should demand as much money as possible. I rather have the workers make the money that the owners keep the money.

    I resist these polarizations when it comes to sports because if you look too soberly at it the illusion crumbles. Sports is an intoxication a high and that’s why the Yankees who reduce Jeter to “just a ballplayer” for their convenience risk Toto yanking on the curtain and revealing the man behind it pulling the levers. No one is going to root for Lonn Trust. But you are right. The masses attack one of their own. The fan follows the illusion and thinks the player is one of them. The club nurtures that “we” mentality. It’s when contract time comes up the fan realizes the player is now looking out for himself and even smart people get emotional about this. Because it pokes holes in the illusion. The club decision makers are “management” which they never identified with to being with so they don’t feel betrayed by them. You read this stuff and its like the Yankees are in Chapter 11. Amazing.

  126. Crawdaddy December 3rd, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    I listened to Seth Everett all the time on XM Radio and he doesn’t like Arod, but he doesn’t bother me like anti-Yankee Mad Dog Russo.

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    J Alfred, I don’t resent Derek or Alex or any other rich baseball player

    well then you are in the minority. I get the fourth year being troubling from a baseball perspective. That’s fair.

  128. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Pat M. December 3rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    GB….I saw the last 15 minutes of the USC / Irish game as I was in the beautiful city of San Francisco……I was surprised to see rain at The Coliseum…….

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Pat, I wasn’t shocked that it looked like the Irish were going to lose. I was shocked that they were that close. Speachless that they pulled the game out. Been years, it seems since ND has beaten them and longer since they had the same record this late in the season. I was thinking they would take a 21 point beating. Joe Montana’s, Chris Collinsworth’s and Mike Golic’s kids are on the team. none have done much of anything, though. QB Tommy Rees was impressive though.

  129. ericns1 December 3rd, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    He should do it with Theo Epstein next time!

  130. Pat M. December 3rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Wave….Over the years I’ve come to the understanding that you are far from being dumb…..I don’t always see eye to eye with you, and I wasn’t trying to get one by you at all…..I just think The Yanks have always been willing to pay him on what his last contract averaged over it’s duration……What’s the old expression, trying to throw a lambchop through a lions cage ?????

  131. Nick in SF December 3rd, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    It’s like trying to sneak a bowl of kimchee past Hideki Irabu… not gonna happen! :mad:

    Pat M, sorry I missed you in SF, I hope you dined well.

  132. bruceb December 3rd, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    I went into my boss today and told him that even though he had given me my first job, paid me handsomely for the last 10 years, and stuck by me despite my many mistakes and poor work performance during the past 12 months, that his offer of an extra $10,000 over each of the next three years was “an absolute insult”. Anyone got any part-time work over Christmas?

  133. Pat M. December 3rd, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    GB…..I lost some bank on the game as I had USC……

  134. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Ironically, the only people turning this into a pro-player v. pro-management thing, are those who are on Jeter’s “side.”

  135. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    trying to throw a lambchop through a lions cage ?????

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Trying to throw a jelly filled donut past Pete Abe?

  136. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock – kudos for having such an intelligent perspective. I’m a fan.

  137. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Pat, you wouldn’t be alone on losing cash on that game. I wouldn’t bet against SCal and giving only 10 points. Never expected it to be close, nuch less ND winning.

  138. kd December 3rd, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    pat m,

    where did you eat when you were in our fair city?

  139. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Would that make the pro-management/sabergeeks innocent victims of verbal abuse?

  140. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    “Would that make the pro-management/sabergeeks innocent victims of verbal abuse?”

    ———————–

    Eh. I would probably characterize it as the victims verbal verbal diarrhea.

    Also, if you haven’t notice our strong faction is made up of a contingent of diverse baseball fans.

    The sabergeeks may have started the movement but we have expanded far beyond that :mad:

  141. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    victims *of*

  142. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Odd, the pierzynski contract is $2m this year, $6m next year.

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Thank you West Coast. I in kind appreciate your thoughtful comments and the distinction you have repeatedly made between FO rhetoric and the actual offer being made (not saying I agree with the offer but I appreciate you distinguishing the difference). I do believe this will soon end and when it does I will go back to lurking.

  144. SJ44 December 3rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Pat M,

    The December schedule is not friendly for me……except for Vegas.

    Going to be in Vegas from the night of the 19th-23rd.

    Other than that, I’m in Indy and Chicago the rest of the month.

    Ball is in your court now my friend to convince the wife you need a night in Vegas! lol

  145. clownthrowindown December 3rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Its really pathetic that Jeter has to be given pity money. He doesn’t represent Yankee Pride. He’s a small man who represents Jeter Ego.

    Mo pitches like typical Mo and takes two years with no raise. Pettitte pitches like he usually does and, if he returns, will get the usual contract. But Jeter has to be treated like a little, spoiled child. The Yankees have to give him twice what his performance dictates just so his wittle feelings won’t be hurt.

  146. Pat M. December 3rd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Nick in SF….I copino’d my way thru San Francisco……..I did have once again a great steak dinner at John’s near The Parc 55…….Also had a great pizza pie in Pacific Heights ( Delfino’s ? )…….Annabelle’s on 4th Ave ( ? ) not far from the hotel……Ate at Romano’s near the California Academy of Science…..I also ate at your Noodle house ….Torrintino’s near the wharf……We ended up stayingh an extra night……Did you watch the UCL / Kansas game last night ??? kd, next to NYC , San Francisco is my favorite place….

  147. randy l. December 3rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    pat m-

    good to see you back.

    just finished playing 9 holes.

    golf’s a little different when it’s 39 degrees with a three club wind

    but still a lot more fun than reading the jeter bashers comments on the blog 24/7.

  148. Pat M. December 3rd, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    SJ, Even though I plunked down several g’s on our Anniversary trip to the Bay, I think it would take a trip to Europe for her to get over my Vegas junket last March……I will mention it to her being you’ll be there earlier than the 22nd ……Maybe I can pull off the Sunday , Monday dates……I’ll call you on this…….

  149. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    It has been a rough 24 hrs for the pro-Yankee/pro-winning baseball games faction.

    We are knee deep in it with Prufrock’s arrival on the scene.

  150. SJ44 December 3rd, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Let me know.

    I get in late Sunday night after the Indy game.

    I have a completely free day and night on Monday. Crew dinner at Rao’s on Tuesday, bowl game on Wednesday.

    Perhaps Monday can work. Let me know.

    Tell her I will be a good boy and not keep you out all night!

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Do I dare disturb the universe?
    How many championships could the Yankees have won if they’d just never drafted Derek Jeter? It boggles the mind.

  152. Pat M. December 3rd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Tin Cup ( The Original Randy I ) where did you play , 39 degrees ???? SJ….I’ll let you know in the next few days…..

  153. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Thank you West Coast. I in kind appreciate your thoughtful comments and the distinction you have repeatedly made between FO rhetoric and the actual offer being made (not saying I agree with the offer but I appreciate you distinguishing the difference). I do believe this will soon end and when it does I will go back to lurking.

    ***************

    Lurk on McDuff!

  154. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    The only ones that you’re disturbing are those that feel it’s their duty to “educate” others on the proper way to enjoy watching baseball.

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Pens and swords…..:)

  156. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Sword being an anagram for words…:)

  157. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    GB thinks anyone that knows more about something than he does is trying to ‘educate him’, even if it’s merely an explanation.

    Get off his lawn.

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    The only ones that you’re disturbing are those that feel it’s their duty to “educate” others on the proper way to enjoy watching baseball.

    So efficient are they with their charts and out of context statistical fervor that the game itself may soon become unnecessary.

  159. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    GB’s lawn often seems to be filled with pages and pages of personal, irrelevant conversations that have nothing to do with baseball. A more considerate person might conduct those elsewhere and not subject everyone else to endless scrolling.


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