Jeter and Rivera could be signed by the weekend
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2010 
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Looks like the Yankees could check two icons off the list before the Winter Meetings even start.
Last night the Daily News reported that Mariano Rivera was on the verge of a deal, and now they’re reporting that Derek Jeter could also sign as early as tomorrow. Given the state of the Jeter negotiations at the beginning of the week, that’s remarkable progress.
The Daily News suggests a three-year deal worth $19 million per year. It could have a vesting fourth year “with reachable parameters”
“i can remember the yankee gms and owners when mantle played ?”
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This is not really an accurate way to view the situation.
With the level of media coverage now and how much face time GMs get it is much more likely for them to become memorable figures in the future.
Putting aside the stupid comment that Cash, Stein, etc won’t be remembered a few years from now I would bet that 40-50 years from now it is much more likely they will be remembered than it was when Mantle was playing.
I mean Cashman dressed up as an elf today and rappelled down a building and it was big news in Yankeeland.
I don’t think it makes much sense at all to try to prove your point about him not being memorable based on past GMs given the nature of the business today.
I like it !
Now on to some free agents and maybe a trade or two.
OK, now let’s actually improve the team.
If we sign Jeter and Mo we just did.
“The Daily News suggests a three-year deal worth $19 million per year. It could have a vesting fourth year “with reachable parameters””
Ouch. Close did very well for his client if those numbers are accurate, considering he had very little leverage.
Yes Close did well. He’s a great agent and CAA is the best there is. I am sure cashman found that out behind closed doors.
So far, so good on that birthday gift for me. They could sign Lee by Thursday right?
Jeter had a little leverage. The Stein Bros didn’t want to risk alienating the fans. Fan support seemed to back the brothers, but if the situation had went on too long, fan sympathy might have switched to Jeter’s favor.
Is Christmas coming early ?
If the #s are correct for Jeter ($19 million), Yanks completely caved
Yankees will look like fools on this deal as early as next season.
Why pay a premium? Why?
What has Jeter shown to prove he deserves the same pay he received in 1999????
Another season of a ridiculously bloated payroll full of aging “icons”. Thank goodness Jorge is done soon. That is, until Hal and Hank overpay him for a two-year extension. Right after they bring Mussina back at $15mm.
“I mean Cashman dressed up as an elf today and rappelled down a building and it was big news in Yankeeland.”
lgy-
good point. i’m sure that 50 years from now ten year old kids are going to remember the day that cashman dressed up as an elf and rappelled down that building . yeah right.
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I wonder who here at The LoHud actually participated in any of those polls that sprung about ?????
“good point. i’m sure that 50 years from now ten year old kids are going to remember the day that cashman dressed up as an elf and rappelled down that building . yeah right.”
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I take this as a sign you have no intelligent rebuttal to my point.
“good point. i’m sure that 50 years from now ten year old kids are going to remember the day that cashman dressed up as an elf and rappelled down that building . yeah right.”
I think kids will remember that Cash has been the GM for 4 WS and counting.
“If the #s are correct for Jeter ($19 million), Yanks completely caved”
betsy-
shhhhh!!!
lgy, rich in nj, and jerkface are a little sensitive right now.
Jeter also had the leverage of retiring or going to another team for less money. Whether he would have done that or not is another thing altogether, but if it was mentioned in the meetings, the point was made.
If I was Close I would have said something to the effect of this. Derek has a great deal of pride and a belief in his abilities. He thinks he has a number of good years in front of him. We understand your position, but please understand that without a belief on Derek’s part that the final result is fair to him, he has told me he would retiring or going elsewhere. That has to remain an option. We would like to work this out.
We could DFA Jerkface, Rich In NJ and LGY and improve this blog. How’s that for an idea?
Despite what Close did or didn’t do credit both the Yankees (Cashman and Hal) as qell as Close and Jeter for being sensible and bridging the gap to come to an agreement. When you get to the dance it always takes two to Tango.
i would think the padres GM would be a complete failure if he didnt at least ask for Buchholz and Ellsbury + minor leaguers in a deal for A-Gon no?
Yanks wanted to get a deal done…..they had to give a little as well of they wanted to end the stalemate. Sure they could have sat on 3/45 until January and probably signed Jeter for that but apparently they would rather it be over than save a few extra million dollars…….they have a right to do that.
randy
I don’t care what they pay him. It’s not like they are going to give what’s left to me.
I only care that the Yankees field the best team possible every single year, not based on sentiment, but only on cold, hard baseball facts.
OTOH, I think it’s kind of funny that the people who thought he should get whatever he wants are rejoicing.
Betsy splitting the difference between $15 million and $23 million is called negotiating a fair compromise that is a win-win for both parties.
I don’t see the Yanks as caving in,, it’s more like good business, now and certainly later on….Their initial offer of 45 million basically set things up for what will likely be meeting in the middle ……
“We could DFA Jerkface, Rich In NJ and LGY and improve this blog. How’s that for an idea?”
About as dumb as most of what you post.
Randy………………………….LMAO !
ac1
Hoyer could have Ellsbury in a Masshole minute. His value is quite low.
Forget Ellsbury. He stinks. Padres better walk away from that deal with Buccholz or else take one of the many other superior offers for their franchise player.
Vineyard. How about my DFA idea?
WCYF wants a blog composed of trolls.
Vineyard Yankee
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:46 pm
typo: qell…………..s/b well.
My cat walked across my keyboard when I hit submit.
I would demand Buchholtz if I were Hoyer or no deal…….the Red Sox aren’t going to be the only team in on this if they do decide to move him and many teams have better trade chips. Hoyer did work for Theo though in the past……
“I think kids will remember that Cash has been the GM for 4 WS and counting.”
yes , and rumor has it they are turning in their jeter shirts for cashman’s elf suit.
ok. sorry about that last one.
i shouldn’t make fun of lgy like that.
“shhhhh!!!
lgy, rich in nj, and jerkface are a little sensitive right now.”
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randy,
It is sad that you have resorted to almost 100% trolling. I always have fun going back and forth with you, but if you have decided to just go the troll route that is disappointing.
I have said all along my biggest hangup will be going past 3 years and that the money is far in the background.
It is in the lohud archive for you to see.
$19 mill with a instant ground ball out. the yanks sentimentality and there old stars delusions are neve rending.
jeter the team guy, needs to get every last penny. yep all he cares about is winning!!!!!!!
another phony greedy ego maniac, shocking…
all the jeter groupies do not complain about cashman and the ludicrous contract he gave the only guy who thinks he can still be a star shortstop at 38 in the world.
if they crumble from within because of there sentimentallity no complaints………….
randy l. December 3rd, 2010 at 11:43 pm
“If the #s are correct for Jeter ($19 million), Yanks completely caved”
betsy-
shhhhh!!!
lgy, rich in nj, and jerkface are a little sensitive right now.
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Rich, you’re hanging with the wrong crowd.
Well Rich – Jerkface, you and LGY is a good start toward that all troll blog.
“yes , and rumor has it they are turning in their jeter shirts for cashman’s elf suit.
ok. sorry about that last one.
i shouldn’t make fun of lgy like that.”
You can’t admit that Cashman is a good GM.
You must hate the Yankees.
“Well Rich – Jerkface, you and LGY is a good start toward that all troll blog.”
But you’re a troll, dude. Everyone knows it. So, of course, you’re going to say that.
Randy, I don’t want to get involved in this feud. We all of us love the Yankees…….whether you think the Yankees caved or whether you think the Yankees did the right thing.
I’m happy that this thing will be done, and frankly, in a few weeks, I doubt I’ll even care about the contract. The only thing I care about is that this contract not impact spending on other areas where the team needs improvement (not talking about Lee)
Blake, the Yankees gave a lot more than Jeter did. Jeter could not possibly have hoped to have been offered a contract for what he was looking for.
Not to worry Betsy, the Yankees have plenty of money. They will do what they need to do.
“Their initial offer of 45 million basically set things up for what will likely be meeting in the middle”
Then why did Cashman fire back so aggressively at Close for calling the offer baffling and why did he tell Jeter to test the market, implying that their deal was far superior to what he was going to get, so he should take it?
They sure caused an awful lot of bluster when they were willing to increase their offer. They talked publicly as if they wanted to stay firm, yet the result shows that they were extremely flexible in their offers.
Yanks have a history of bidding against themselves. This is no different. Nothing wrong with it, just makes the Yankees look kind of silly for taking such a hardline stance publicly. You’ll never see them negotiate like this with Lee – because they know they can’t.
WCYF is making a sad and pathetic attempt to reach out to the old-timers/traditional faction on this blog.
Unfortunately, they too can’t stand him.
WCYF:
DFA…………that train leaves the station at 12:40am………destination ………..ah Boston. I’m down for a $ 20 spot towards the tickets.
If they stay with $19 – they split the difference between $15 and $23. How is that the Yankees caving? They didn’t guaranty a 4th year. It’s a negotiated compromise.
“You can’t admit that Cashman is a good GM.”
rich in nj-
you , lgy, and jerkface could do just as good a job.
name me one thing he knows that you guys don’t.
LGY – unlike you I don’t play your inane silly blog games. Please knock yourself out, I’m here posting about my boys in pinstripes every day.
Vineyard! lol
Some people apparently have their noses out of joit. Maybe the Yanks, Jeter and Mo wanted to get these two deals done in case Cashman’s safety line fails on Sunday night.
The numbers that Jeter threw out were pie-in-the-sky. That’s how negotiations work – players throw out a number they know they have no chance of getting, when in reality, their target number is much lower and they can create the impression that they are “compromising” when in reality, they got exactly what they wanted.
Even Jeter had to anticipate taking a paycut as a 37 yr old SS with a .700 OPS. His high demands set him up to receive probably what he wanted/expected – a slight paycut (but higher AAV than his last contract total) and a possible 4th yr (and if its a vesting option, it basically is a 4 yr deal if he stays healthy and somewhat productive)
Ironically, I think the contract Hank offered A-Rod even exceeded Boras’ initial exorbitant demands. Wasn’t 10/$300 the number Boras kept talking about?
“name me me one thing he knows that you guys don’t.”
How to actually get the job?
More seriously, as Parcells once said: “You are what your record says you are.”
Cash has more rings than any active GM, and more than most in MLB history.
That’s impressive whether or not you want to acknowledge it.
“LGY – unlike you I don’t play your inane silly blog games. Please knock yourself out, I’m here posting about my boys in pinstripes every day.”
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# West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 3:29 pm
I am jealous that Jon Heyman is allowed to pontificate on MLB Network, I’d be a way funnier and better analyst than him.
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And there you have it. Narcissism run amok.
# West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Me thinks I sense some jealousy on the part of some bloggers and baseball fans who are envious of the job that Heyman and others like he have. You think you know more and would do a better job. That’s the way it appears to me.
# West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 5:23 pm
GB’s lawn often seems to be filled with pages and pages of personal, irrelevant conversations that have nothing to do with baseball. A more considerate person might conduct those elsewhere and not subject everyone else to endless scrolling.
# West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 11:45 pm
We could DFA Jerkface, Rich In NJ and LGY and improve this blog. How’s that for an idea?
# West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Well Rich – Jerkface, you and LGY is a good start toward that all troll blog.
Getting these deals done was all about meeting in the middle, satisfying all parties and moving forward with both barrels loaded for the winter meetings to improve the team further.
LGY keeping files on people are we? lol It appears that you can dish it out but can’t take it.
Sorry guys,
I just don’t see Jeter being worth $18,600,000.00 more per year than Nunez.
Frankly, Nunez will likely be the better player before this onerous contract is up.
Winning sells more tickets than aging stars. Just ask Mattingly and Winfield.
I know you guys think the Yankees will make it up selling jerseys, but money for paraphernalia goes to MLB, not the Yankees.
The Yankees bid against themselves yet again. Suckers!
“LGY keeping files on people are we? lol It appears that you can dish it out but can’t take it.”
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Like I said the other day.
We don’t like false info spread by trolls on this blog.
You are full of crap and just what you have posted today shows it.
They asked Joe D once how much money he would have made in the era of free agency and he said he would go into the owner’s office and say Hi partner!
They asked Joe D once how much money he would have made in the era of free agency and he said he would go into the owner’s office and say Hi partner!
You should all be dizzy with the amount of spinning going on here tonight.
Sad that some people feel the need to be right instead of just being happy that it looks like a compromise was reached.
LGY – what’s the matter you don’t like being revealed for the troll you are? No wonder most here slammed you all night.
All good negotiations mean meeting in the middle? Since when?
So if I go to a Mercedes dealer tomorrow and offer them $1 for a $60,000.00 car, will they sell it to me for $30K? Would that really be good business?
Get real.
RSM
December 4th, 2010 at 12:07 am
Do the intangibles Jeter brings to the Team and the Franchise mean nothing ?
RSM – Car’s are not priced to be sold as a negotiated commodity.
Why wouldn’t bloggers here be happy that two Yankee icons are signed and in the fold for the next two years ? Because Jeter had one bad year ?
Vineyard,
The intangibles are worth something, but not that much, not even close.
“Sad that some people feel the need to be right instead of just being happy that it looks like a compromise was reached.”
I just want to win WS every year. I don’t think that’s too much to ask, do you?
I’m very happy that they got this done, we can move on to other things. This team has other issues as we all now.
sp know
Well, at least the soap opera is almost over.
Now all Cashman has to do is grossly overpay Cliff Lee and his work is done.
WCYF – you need help man.
RSM
If the new contract is for $ 19 mil per then it is only ($ 4 mil. per yr / $ 12 mil. for 3) and then Jeter is more than likely gone. Ending all the BS to get it done and to more forward with whatever off season agenda Cashman has is great news as well……..to me anyway.
Curious to see if the Rangers will go five or stick at four. And how the tax situation gets factored in to the Yankees topping the offer.
ID enjoy!
PeteAbe
Package will depend on whether Gonzo is signed. If signed, Kelly + Rizzo then any two other than Bard or Iglesias.
A brutal assessment of Seattle!
“The Mariners “are becoming a West Coast version of the Orioles, a place top-tier free agents avoid because the stench of losing is overwhelming,” writes Yahoo’s Steve Henson in his winter meetings preview”.
5 years / $115 mil. should get it done, but I predict 6 / $140 mil.
RSM…..Do you think the Yanks will pay Lee more than CC Sabathia ??? They did go 30 million or so over the next offer that was out there, or so the speculation goes….
This thread turned in an entire cluster of dumb and unfortunately I am partly responsible for latching onto to the troll bait like a hungry fish.
However to get away from this nonsense and back to reality for a second, these discussions about Jeter were never largely predicated on what he would get. The discussions were mostly centered on what he should get and what we each feel comfortable with the Yankees giving him.
To be clear on my position I may as well lay it out there before this deal is finalized.
If the Yankees give Derek 4 guaranteed years, I will take a page out of GB’s book and throw a brick through my computer.
If the Yankees give him 3 + an option, it will depend on what type of option it is. If it is an easily attainable vesting option or a player option the brick is connecting with my computer screen. If it is a club option, I will be both annoyed and nervous as to what that will bring 3 years from now. I will think it was a really bad idea by the Yankees to go with a club option and that it will turn out ugly.
If they give Jeter 3/57, I will be disappointed. I would rather keep him at that price than let him walk, but I would still be annoyed they were allotting that much of the budget to him.
If it is 3/54 I will be eh. Slightly annoyed, but still pretty alright with that deal.
If it is slightly less than 3/54 I will be increasingly happy depending on how much less. 3/50-3/52 I would be pretty happy/satisfied.
I hope not but I think you may be right.
My limit on Jeter where I would have rather let him walk is 3/60 and/or a 4th guaranteed year.
Peace. I just don’t understand why anyone would begrudge a player, any player, being paid well by a billion dollar corporation. If it hurt the Yankees chance to compete I would understand it more. But does anyone really believe $5 million either way would do that? Be happy for Jeter, he’s been a great, great Yankee.
LGY
December 4th, 2010 at 12:40 am
Noted.
Excellent summary, LGY.
I definitely agree that nothing good will come from an option. If the Daily News is correct,. and it is a vesting option with “easily attainable perimeters”, well then it essentially is a 4 yr deal. Considering they are basically limited to plate appearances, games played, and such, it will vest if he stays healthy. They can’t make it numbers-based; If the Yanks try to bench him to keep his PAs down or something, it will become a disaster. In reality, if Jeter is in anyway control of the option, it will be a 4 yr deal if he stays healthy.
The initial details don’t look good at all, but lets’ wait and see. The strange part is that nothing at all should have provoked them to even raise their offer, let alone cave like they might do.
If it is 3 for $ 50, 3 for $ 54 or 3 for $ 58, it is better than the ARod debacle. BTW, Jeter will now get # 3,000 as a Yankee.
Agree LGY.
I win brownies from 2 schmoes on here if its less than 3 years guaranteed and less than 20 million per year.
Those are my victory conditions.
Sweeny on Wfan hears…
3 years 17M per
vested 4th option
vested 4th option @ 10M
I believe it was important to Jeter to deal with a fourth year in some manner and an option is the logical way to deal with it. You couldn’t really do a team option or player option, so one based on parameters is fair.
3 years 17M per
vested 4th option
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Ohh the soup thickens. If this is true kudos to Cash.
“Peace. I just don’t understand why anyone would begrudge a player, any player, being paid well by a billion dollar corporation. If it hurt the Yankees chance to compete I would understand it more. But does anyone really believe $5 million either way would do that? Be happy for Jeter, he’s been a great, great Yankee.”
Jeter getting paid doesn’t put one dollar in any Yankee fan’s pocket so I don’t understand the rooting interest especially if you suppose to be a Yankee fan. Now if you root for Jeter more than the uniform he wears then let’s be honest and say so.
What do they mean vested 4th option @10M?
Means the option kicks in if Jeter reaches some kind of games played / PA goal in likely the final year of the contract. Which makes the option guaranteed
For example, Jeter averages 700 PA or whatever. They could have an option activate if he reaches 700 PA in the final season, which would mean he’d HAVE to be leading off AND healthy for it to occur.
YankeesWFAN I hear Yanks/Jeter talking about 3yr/$51 mil deal with vesting option for 4th year at $10 mil. Sides getting “very close.”
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sounds good…. get er done.
If the vested option is only for $10 million I am going to have to rethink my position on the vested option part of my post.
I didn’t even consider for it to be that much lower than the AAV of the other years.
Does he get paid 10M for the 4th year or is that his payout if the Yankees don’t want him for the 4th year? If it’s the latter then it’s a bad deal for the Yankees.
RSM
December 4th, 2010 at 12:37 am
‘I predict 6 / $140 mil.’
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BINGO ! ! ! Blow the other competitors away.
i say 6/138
just more than Santana, and just less than the original offer to CC.
Does he get paid 10M for the 4th year
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Yes
Cash is the man, making deals from rooftops with his elf hat on.
If the 10M is the total contract for the vested 4th year then judgement on whether it’s a good deal for the Yankees will depend on Jeter’s 3rd and 4th year production.
WCYF and Jeterites -
No crying in baseball. So when Jeter sucks and/or Cashman says he can’t afford to beef up the bench or bullpen…don’t whine. You wanted a grossly overpaid shortstop because you fear having seperation anxiety or have man-crushes or whatever…well, you got him. I am sure Jeter will be as enjoyable as watching icon Willie Mays on the Mets.
Looks good now… not so much if it vests in 4 years. Basically, it is a 4 yr/$15 million dollar AAV. They are never taking him out of the lineup, so if he stays off the DL (which you know Jeter will do in that final year), it will be a 4 yr deal.
I would rather overpay for 3 than have that easily a vesting 4th. IMO.
“Peace. I just don’t understand why anyone would begrudge a player, any player, being paid well by a billion dollar corporation. If it hurt the Yankees chance to compete I would understand it more. But does anyone really believe $5 million either way would do that? Be happy for Jeter, he’s been a great, great Yankee ”
Damn capitalist pigs!
They can sign over the team to Jeter for all I care…as long as they are in the best position to win every single year.
Bernie, who was my favorite player of this era, was kept in center field far longer than he should have been for one reason: his contract
They didn’t sign Beltran in 2004 because of that contract, despite a glaring need.
They spend $50-$60m more than any other team in MLB. Do you think they are getting enough bang for that buck? I don’t. Why? Because they keep overpaying players, many of them aging players.
It’s not about $5m either way. Who are we kidding? Any other player not named Jeter would have gotten a one or two year contract after two of the last three seasons he had.
Yeah, I must hate him for bringing that up. Only a freakin’ moron what say that, but we have some of those here, evidently.
So fine, give him $20m or $25m for as many years as you want. I don’t give a sh&t about the money.
I care about winning. There is no way that you can guarantee that we know that Jeter will bounce back, or even if he does that it will be for more than one year. Nor can you guarantee that Alex will not continue to decline.
Yet we are pinning our fortunes on two players in their mid- to late-30s and paying them huge money for years.
Do you really think that if they both continue to decline that the Yankees will say, hey, we will sit $50m on the bench and spend another $50m to get better players?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Red Sox, Padres “Close” On Adrian Gonzalez Trade
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 4 at 12:01am CST]
SATURDAY, 12:01am: The two clubs are “close” to making a deal, tweets Dan Hayes of the North County Times. Hayes also mentions that the trade would just involve Gonzalez and not Heath Bell, whose name has come up in other rumors.
clownthrowindown
December 4th, 2010 at 1:02 am
It is unfortunate that Willie Mays didn’t know when to quit.
If true, I think a $51 – 3 year deal with a $10 million vested option is a good compromise. I imagine Jeter will be well motivated (not that he has ever needed that) to have a good year in 2011.
If Hoyer trades Gonzalez it is going to define his career in San Diego.
He has a lot of pressure the get the right package.
‘Yet we are pinning our fortunes on two players in their mid- to late-30s and paying them huge money for years’.
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Hmmm………’two players’ ? ? ? What about Cano, ARod, CC, Tex, Swisher, Gardner, Granderson, Hughes etc. Last time I checked Baseball is a team game.
Probably not just San Diego.
A Gonzalez trade may define his career in baseball in general.
Even @ $10 million… if Jeter can’t play effectively anymore in that 4th yr, it will be a major problem. Remember, the option will vest based merely on games played or PAs, nothing else.
It would be pretty embarrassing for his career to end as a bench player.
Excellent point Vineyard.
“Hmmm………’two players’ ? ? ? What about Cano, ARod, CC, Tex, Swisher, Gardner, Granderson, Hughes etc. Last time I checked Baseball is a team game.”
Re-read what typed. I mentioned Alex.
You think they can win without big production and credible defense from the left side of the infield? I don’t.
AL East Champions in 2011……………The Boston Red Sox !
“AL East Champions in 2011……………The Boston Red Sox !”
Cool.
The Yankees about WS, not division championships.
I have to believe AG is just the starting point for the Sux. They just made themselves a contender again. Bases loaded next September, Lee and AG. Awesome.
The Redsox aint close to nothing….
When a deal involving a player of that stature gets into the press before it’s done it rarely happens. To many other GMs get into the mix. The leak is most likely coming from San Diego’s front office.
Running a corporation is not all about winning. It’s about people as well.
Anybody got any donuts ? ?
“Running a corporation is not all about winning. It’s about people as well.”
So you’re saying that some Yankee players are hurting.
Both George and his sons have said that their goal is to win the WS every single year.
Just stop with the nonsense.
Cash better react to this and get Crawford
We can’t have little slap-hitting Brett Gardner while the Sox have Werth and Gonzalez in the middle of their lineup
Here’s how I came to 6/140 for Lee.
From everything I’ve read, and my “gut”, I believe the Rangers will offer 5 years in the $100-115 million range.
To get him to come to NY, the Yankees will have to make an offer that more than “just beats” Texas. It must be substantial enough to cover the huge difference in state/city income taxes, and still leave enough difference to make it worth it for him to be so much farther from his home.
‘Nor can you guarantee that Alex will not continue to decline’.
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‘Yet we are pinning our fortunes on two players in their mid- to late-30s and paying them huge money for years’.
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That looks like two different thoughts to me, Alex—DECLINE. Two players ? ? ‘Huge money for years’ Jeter 3-4, Mo for 2 and ARod for 7 more, quite a disparity there.
Of course you want to win. I said not “all”. How the Yankees treat their players is important as well.
It’s not just Werth and Gonzalez. It’s Youkllis too.
This report for $51 million for 3 years with a 4th year vested option rings true to me. I think that is going to be the deal that gets signed. Just a feeling.
“Running a corporation is not all about winning. It’s about people as well.”
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‘So you’re saying that some Yankee players are hurting.’
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And these two statements have what to do with one another ? ? ?
Rich in NJ….You make a very compelling argument, a dark one but yet you state your point quite well….I’m hoping for Derek to produce 2 solid years and we’ll see a slight decline….I think 2010 was a season of nagging injuries…..
“Of course you want to win. I said not “all”. How the Yankees treat their players is important as well.”
They treat them like kings. Treating them like princes instead wouldn’t exactly suck.
Thanks, Pat M.
I always hope for the best.
Red Sox get Werth and Gonzo. Boston Red Sox World Series Champions in 2011.
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PS: I need some milk to go with my donuts.
The process with Jeter was handled poorly. There was no reason for all four execs to publicly pontificate, Levine, Hank, Hal and Cashman. I’m glad it’s over.
Schizo Ruby seems to like the Yanks and Sox alternately and equally. (?)
Luckily for the yankees, lining up CC, Lee, and Pettitte vs the .262 .338 .445 .783 slash line of A-gon will help.
Ruby’s mom warms her milk for her to just the right
…temperature.
NCTPadres
Just heard from a second source that #Padres-#RedSox deal for Adrian Gonzalez is very close. #MLB
Geez. AG is only 28. He’s going to torture us for years to come.
WCYF…..I agree as I think it was bush league…Yet I understand how the game is played …..Just never thought they would go to the press when it came to Derek Jeter….But it maybe a game played on a field, but it also is a business run by suits….Bottom line
Cold milk only nitwit.
Mark Feinsand is live on WFAN radio. Nothing final he says they are “inching along”. Was a bit strange in that he said it may or may not be done before the winter meetings and could take up to ten days max. Just his opinion I guess.
Pat, you’re right it’s run by suits. George used to fly more by the seat of his pants and emotion played a large part in his decisions. Right or wrong. Hal and Hank are cut from a different mold.
Feinsand says the Angels offered Mariano three years and the Red Sox two years. He confirmed they were going to DFA Pappelpuke if that happened. Fat chance.
WCYF:
Is he out at Coney Island (Nathan’s) or at White Castle ? Good job with the late night live interview / update, Mr. Feinsand.
Ooh. Ruby’s getting fussy about her snacks.
Must be time for beddy-by.
Mr. Feinsand says that if Lee fizzles out the Yankees aren’t likely to put the $ 125 – $ 140 plus million back into their pocket, hence the Crawford talks as a fallback.
Lee is expected to be the center piece of the Winter Meetings.
Feinsand confirms that the Yankees have not made an offer to Cliff Lee yet.
That stuff has already been confirmed.
More from the WFAN interview:
If the Lee offer goes south, then it’s Nova for 2011. The guys at AAA aren’t ready and he doesn’t see Greinke as an option who can’t handle the media, bright lights, microscope of NY etc.
All in all he thinks that Lee signs with NYY and Pettitte comes back to round out the rotation in 2011.
What has? Ruby likes milk before bedtime?
Cold milk only, can’t you read ?
Ruby has had her milk and is now in la la land now with pleasant thoughts of Clay and Papi.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
West Coast Yankee Fan
December 4th, 2010 at 1:53 am
‘Feinsand confirms that the Yankees have not made an offer to Cliff Lee yet’
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Interesting, despite all the speculation and innuendo posted here.
If they’re going to give Jeter 19 mil a year.. I never want to hear them complain about a payroll limit again.
There’s absolutely no reason to give him that. There’s no other team in baseball that would have approached their first offer.
What a closet Red Sox fan and clown you are. E** me.
You know a lot about the closet.
Don’t you, girlfriend?
Just because Feinsand says something, it doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about.
Just because Feinsand says something, it doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about.
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Are you telling me that the New York Daily News, a metro publication, doesn’t have but the most stringent hiring standards?
# Jerkface December 4th, 2010 at 2:38 am
Just because Feinsand says something, it doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about.
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Are you telling me that the New York Daily News, a metro publication, doesn’t have but the most stringent hiring standards?
lol
“The Mariners are becoming a West Coast version of the Orioles, a place top-tier free agents avoid because the stench of losing is overwhelming,” writes Yahoo’s Steve Henson in his winter meetings preview”.
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Granted, the stench is exactly being bottled for aroma-therapy…
I’m not certain it would be wise for a team in a state such as the current M’s to concentrate on top-tier free agents anyway. When the stench of losing is so pronounced, it doesn’t disappear over-night with a little air-freshener. It takes deep-cleaning and industrial deordorizer
In other words, the order of business should be continuing to replenish a depleted farm and building a strong foundation from within with just the right amount of affordable veteran worthiness sprinkled in. It takes time, as well as a consistent and persistent direction in order to turn that losing stench into the sweet smell of success.
I can wait. I have a feeling that some day it will be worth it.
I know that probably sounds unacceptable to fans of a team that success is the norm rather than the exception, but what can I say? It’s my reality. Sometimes I wish finding satisfaction as a fan was as easy and just changing my allegiance. But, I could no more do that than decide to find a different right arm
Yanks caved (if 19/year is true). If you want to call it compromising, I guess Jeter should have said he wanted 30 and then 22.5/year would have been a fine compromise, right?
Now he’s getting what he averaged the last 10 years.
The Yankees had all the leverage. There was no way Jeter was going to retire or play for another team for half the money.
I thought 3/51 would be the max they would go.
Yanks caved (if 19/year is true). If you want to call it compromising, I guess Jeter should have said he wanted 30 and then 22.5/year would have been a fine compromise, right?
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The new hot rumor is 3/51 with a 10 mil 4th year option. Thats a 15 AAV
Buster_ESPN
The Red Sox are far enough along in the conversation that they are trying to work out a new contract with Adrian Gonzalez.
MTU -
Are you awake?
MTU -
You must have been up late last night, and sleeping in.
Everyone is sleeping soundly. zzzzzzzzzzzz………………………..
Al-
The defense never rests.
Eyes open yes but awake ?
Casey Kelly will be involved in an AGon trade….over 5 ERA in AA….Padres GM is drinking the Peter Gammon’s water……..Red Sox prospects are built up to all be superstars…like the incredible,awesome Lars Anderson, and the all-world Jed Lowrie…
If the Padres trade A-Gon for a Red Sux super-hyped Minor league package they might just be the dumbest team to have ever walked the face of the Earth.
There are any # of teams that could offer a completely superior package to what the bloody Suxers could.
And it aint even close.
The fix might be in if that goes down.
It should take Laptop, Pillsbury, and Bard + for A-Gon.
Good morning MTU. Do you believe the Sux will get AG for prospects only? Looking at what the Sux have to offer, if they pull it off, the Padres GM should be fired for being a “homer” for the Sux.
Al-
No idea but I do agree with your 2nd point.
If it goes down for prospects only he should be lynched.
MTU -
If that’s all it’s going to take, let’s give them some good prospects, buy out Posada, and rotate Tex and AG at 1B & DH. Yes, I know I’m nuts.
Or we’ll just have to fight fire with fire and get Upton from the Snakes for peanuts.
Al-
seeing is believing.
If there are other teams out there that can offer a superior package to the Red Sox then they need to come forward.
Until I see the final trade package I’m not going to knock Padres management. These were the guys that recommended and drafted the Red Sox prospects and they’re not going to risk their reputation and future as Padre executives to trade for Red Sox scrubs.
IF the suxers get A-Gon that might require a refocus on the Yankees part.
Might bring cc into the crosshairs in addition to Lee.
Craw-
There is nothing is the Sux system that equates to A-gon.
Especially at the upper levels.
“There is nothing is the Sux system that equates to A-gon.”
That’s your opinion and one that I don’t share.
Craw-
Can you give me a package that you think cuts it ?
MTU -
The 2011 Yankees – My wish list to Santa.
SS – Jeter
LF – Crawford
2B – Cano
3B – A-Rod
1B – Tex
RF – Swisher
CF – Granderson/Gardner (Gardner as 4th OF then bats 9th)
C- Montero
DH – Posada
SP – CC, Lee, Andy, Hughes, AJ/Nova
It’s gonna take a minimum of 4 A+ prospects.
Al-
That’s quite a wish list.
Al-
You left off Matt Diaz and an upgrade for Cervelli.
MTU -
In reality, the RS do not have 4 A+ prospects. I believe they have to give up a top of the rotation SP, plus 3 or 4 prospects.
And a 2nd Loogy for the pen.
Al-
I have an open mind. If the Suxers have 4 A+ guys I’d like to hear who they are.
As far as I know their 2 best prospects are Kelly and Iglesias.
MTU -
Cervelli will be fine, as long as he’s not over exposed by catching more than 60-70 games, max.
Al-
OK. scratch him off the to do list then.
Mike -
Kelly is way over rated, and he was exposed in the AFL as not ready for prime time, at least a year or more away. The RS are willing to empty the farm because they know what they have is good at best, but, not great prospects, and hope to get back some good picks in next years draft, which should be a good one. That’s why they offered arb to guys they knew wouldn’t take it.
Bench :
Cervelli
Nunez
Laird
Diaz
I’m going to measure this trade with the Tex trade from Texas to Atlanta. However, Atlanta traded for him a year and half befoe he becomes a free agent while AGon is a free agent after only one year.
The Padre executives knows these Sox prospects inside and out and it’s going to take four of those prospects to get AGon.
Al-
If they had a great farm to empty.
Craw-
Yes they do but the Sux simply don’t have the goods IMO.
MTU -
You have a love affair for Diaz don’t you? The bench s/b Nunez, Laird, Cervelli, Gardner.
Al-
Diaz is a very good ballplayer. Actaully, I doubt he would accept a bench role.
The guy can hit and would add a veteran presence.
I think it’s very unlikely we wind up with cc.
Too much competition and cost but we’ll see.
“Yes they do but the Sux simply don’t have the goods IMO.”
Let’s be honest here, our opinions on the Sox prospects are far from knowledgeable when compared to the opinions of the Padre executives. In short, they know a lot more about them than any Yankee fan posting on this blog.
Craw -
Earlier reports stated 5 prospects from RS to make the deal, still, giving up what the RS have in thewir system for an elite player like AG is making no sense. I still believe it will take a front line SP, plus 3-4 prospects. If the RS can get him on the cheap, the Yanks should get in on it.
Craw-
That’s true but it still doesn’t mean the Sux have enough.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Craw -
You’re correct, the Padres execs do know the RS system very well, and we can only judge by what’s been written about those prospects in different MLB evaluations, such as Baseball America, but, that does give us an idea as to how scouts are comparing the top 100 minor leaguers.
“Earlier reports stated 5 prospects from RS to make the deal, still, giving up what the RS have in thewir system for an elite player like AG is making no sense. I still believe it will take a front line SP, plus 3-4 prospects. If the RS can get him on the cheap, the Yanks should get in on it.”
That’s because as a Yankee fan you devalued the Sox prospects which isn’t surprising because we don’t want this trade to happen. I guess I have more trust in the Padres executives to do the right thing for their organization because it’s in their own best interest to make the best trade possible as their attendance will take a real hit when local boy AGon is traded. Furthermore, Padre ownership will have to sign off of this trade because of the PR hit and they will press their GM to make the best trade possible.
MTU -
Last week I would have agreed with you concerning cc, but, if a deal goes through for AG, and the RS sign Werth, I think the Yankees must step up and go over budget to get cc, or they will fall behind the RS in talent. Just being honest. The RS were tough last year with a ton of injuries, if they upgrade the team that much, and the starters return from the DL healthy, they will be very tough. That and the fact the Jays are going to an improved team, and should be in the race until the end.
Craw-
With the glaring need the Sux have had at catcher for so long don’t you think they would have traded for a really good one if they had the Minor league talent to do it ?
V-Mart wasn’t a good Catcher, and Salty has had the yips.
Varitek is shot.
Al-
I understand your point.
Do you think the Angel/Sox/etc. are just going to hand him to us though ?
So what do the sox have to give up to make a fair trade? I’m of the opinion that they don’t have enough talent in the minors and will have to part with some major leaguers. Kelly is a top prospect but what is there beyond him?
“You’re correct, the Padres execs do know the RS system very well, and we can only judge by what’s been written about those prospects in different MLB evaluations, such as Baseball America, but, that does give us an idea as to how scouts are comparing the top 100 minor leaguers.”
We don’t know, but it would be nice to know which prospects are going to the Padres. I have to wonder if PTBNL is involved which opens the possibility that prospects chosen in the last draft might be a part of this trade which means Ranaudo or Cecchini.
Craw-
Those might be good guys but they are completely unproven.
“Those might be good guys but they are completely unproven.”
Hell, they’re all unproven until they play in the majors.
Craw -
You may be right, as Yankees fans we tend to over value our players, and under value the competition.
I did state however, I truly believe the RS will be the team to beat, if they get both AGON and Werth, and all we add is Lee.
Our offense may, or may not improve next season, there are a lot of question marks, in my mind, about Tex, A-Rod and Jeter, although Jeter is the one I worry about least. Can Grandy continue to improve, will Swisher have another good season etc.
Unless the Red Sox are ready to offer AGon a contract over 100M, he would be smart to not sign a contract and get on the open market next offseason.
Buster_ESPN Sources: Gonzalez’s physical examination, one of last hurdles to Red Sox/Padres deal, may happen Saturday.
Craw-
That’s also true but wouldn’t you think they would want guys a little further along for a guy like A-Gon ?
If your proposal is something like Kelly, Iglesias, Ranaudo, and the other guy IMO it is absolutely laughable.
you know what Craw, if the Padres are that dumb, I wish them luck.
MTU, Al………… I may not agree with what I don’t think is enough for getting A. Gonzalez, (although I don’t follow their minor league prospects), but you guys are better than that………. obsessing over what the Red Sox do!!!
Al,
The Red Sox might be the team to beat, but the Yankees improving their pitching will combat the Sox adding on AGon and Werth.
Anyhow, it’s too early to get worry right now. Let’s see what the rosters look like in February.
# Crawdaddy December 4th, 2010 at 7:43 am
Unless the Red Sox are ready to offer AGon a contract over 100M, he would be smart to not sign a contract and get on the open market next offseason.
Assuming Pujols resigns, and A-Gon signs with Boston, Fielder will be the only premier first basemen on the market after this season.
You talk about a huge payday.
MTU -
Anyone that deals with the Yankees expect to get more than they would from any other team, right or wrong, the Yankees brought it upon themselves by always over paying, thus, it’s expected.
At this point, I don’t think it’s a matter of can we afford Crawford, but rather, can we afford not to sign him, while the rest of the AL east is getting better.
The Yankees have had Crawford on their wish list for years, are they now going to pass when he becomes an FA?
The Padres know the Sox system better than anybody.
If they make the deal, they will get the guys back they want.
If not, they won’t make the deal.
I love people who think the Yankees “caved” on the Jeter deal. It’s clear math isn’t there strong suit.
The original offer from the Jeter camp was 5/115. The Yankees was 3/45.
He will sign a 3/51 contract with a vesting 4th year option of 10 million.
The contract will be between 54 and 64 million LESS than his offer, depending on whether the option kicks in or not.
His AAV is also down considerably.
In other words, the final deal is much closer to the Yankee offer than the Jeter offer.
That’s not getting “fleeced”. It’s negotiating a deal that works for both sides.
JCPD-
Just a point of disagreement with Craw over the value of the Sux prospects is all.
A-Gon is a fantastic ballplayer though. there is no doubt about that.
If we get Lee and Andy that’s a great OS. More is almost too hard to contemplate.
How are things in Syracuse ?
JCPD -
Good morning. Did you get the new camera, if yes, how do you like it?
“That’s also true but wouldn’t you think they would want guys a little further along for a guy like A-Gon ?”
When Tex was traded to Atlanta, most of those prospects weren’t above AA level. Feliz was still in A Ball and Andrus was struggling offensively in AA.
JCPD & MTU -
I meant to ask, do either of you gentlemen play golf?
MTU, in a word…………. snowy
Anthony Rizzo and Casey Kelly plus 1 or 2 others.
Sounds like a steal to me.
Al, first of all, don’t call me a gentlemen………….. secondly, I’m not sure the word I would use would be PLAY. I’m thinking more like HACK, but I do enjoy it when I can get to it.
3/51 with a vesting option at 10 million for the 4th is a good deal for the Yankees. If Jeter is still an every day player for 2014 then the option will probably vest but his salary will decrease to 10 million. The deal will end up being close to the 4/60 that I predicted weeks ago if the option vests…..
If the Gonzalez rumors are true then its truly a game changer in the AL east. Especially if the Sox go out and sign Werth on top of that. Their offense suddenly because very good….especially if they are able to pull this off without touching the big league roster ( which I just don’t understand from the Padres POV). We’ll see how it shakes out.
Craw-
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how it goes down.
I still do not think that the Sux have a sufficient MiLB package for a guy like A-Gon, and many teams could beat what the Sux might offer.
I really don’t care if the Padres go down in flames or not not.
I could care less about them. Agree to disagree on this one.
SJ44,
I like the Jeter a lot if that vesting option is a 10M contract for the 4th year and they remain at 17M for the other three years.
Elvis Andrus is still struggling offensively.
Time to walk the mops – back later.
“I could care less about them. Agree to disagree on this one.”
Our judgement of this trade is clouded by our desire for it to not happen.
Al-
The only way I play golf is in my mind.
Never tried it in spite of the fact that we have some beautiful golf courses out here. Particularly Sky Mountain.
Flurry of tweets from Dan Hayes, a SD beat writer, before he “unplugged” late last night.
Just was told #Padres-#RedSox deal would only involve Adrian Gonzalez and is “close.” No Heath Bell. #MLB
I’ve been told only minor leaguers would be involved in Gonzo deal. No Ellsbury, Lowrie or Bard in return.
Have been told that Casey Kelly would definitely be involved if #Padres-#RedSox trade for Adrian Gonzalez goes through. #MLB
I’m not getting much of a response at this point. But I’ve been told that multiple “studs” would be involved.
Craw-
I don’t care if it happens as long as the Yankees continue to maintain the balance of power.
I would only be concerned if I thought the Yankees were lagging.
I don’t think they’ll let that happen.
If it’s Rizzo, Kelly and Inglesias, that’s a big price to pay.
The Sox have to do the deal.
However, he is coming off shoulder surgery and those are three legit prospects.
Some would argue those are the three best prospects in the Sox system.
pat,
Buster Olney has been on it all night/morning. check out his account.
SJ-
That would be a joke for a guy like A-Gon IMO.
He could command way more than that from any number of teams.
Those probably are the best three prospects the Sox have after Westmoreland got sick. The Sox’ offense just got a lot more potent…..especially if they also acquire Crawford or Werth. This probably ends Beltre’s tenure with the Sox though as.they will move Youk to.3rd most likely. Interested to see if the Yanks counter offensively now……
Blake-
That might relegate GGBG to a 4th OF spot if it happens.
No he wouldn’t or the Padres would have dealt him elsewhere.
He was going to be a FA at the end of the year.
Teams are loathe to give up a lot for a guy they can’t sign. That limits the market for him.
If the Sox have to empty the farm AND sign him, that’s a big deal.
They better hope he’s healthy.
Do you think they will pay Crawford and Werth plus the huge extension A-Gon is gonna get?
Should say Crawford or Werth***
If it’s those three then that’s their Top 3 prospects according to BA.
Buster_ESPN Sources: Major League Baseball has approved a negotiating window for the Red Sox to negotiate with Adrian gonzalez.
Buster_ESPN Sources: Gonzalez is expected to be in Boston today.
As a Yankee fan, I want the Red Sox to empty their farm system and sign long-term contract with players. Unlike the Yankees, they can’t match dollar to dollar with us.
Now, I hope they sign Werth to a 70-80M contract.
The Sux still need a good Catcher.
Craw,
Exactly. Goes against their grain and ties them up financially.
There are only a handful of teams that could extend Gonzalez if they traded for him. However from the Padres POV these prospects better pan out or they gave away a chance at the playoffs in 2011 for nothing. I guess its a chance they were comfortable with. Its a great job by Theo if its true and the Sox got significantly better over night.
Too bad the Yanks don’t need a 1b we could have offered the Pads
Betances/Banuelos, Nunez, + for A-Gon.
Better than what the Sux offered.
# MTU December 4th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Too bad the Yanks don’t need a 1b we could have offered the Pads
Betances/Banuelos, Nunez, + for A-Gon.
Better than what the Sux offered.
We just gave up money.
We could use those guys you listed to trade for King Felix if he gets unhappy in Seattle.
SJ-
I’m sure the Sux did not enjoy being on the outside looking in any more than we did.
That’s a lot of motivation.
Carl-
I agree. I want to keep as many of our high end guys as possible.
I don’t think we’ll trade with Seattle as long as Mr. Z is still there.
This off season just got a WHOLE lot more interesting.
Ellsbury, pedroia, Gonzalez, Youkalis, Werth would be a very strong 1-5.
Agon is better then Tex:(
Fine.
Let’s add cc and Upton.
I say counter with Justin Upton
Blake-
Way to go.
See you one, and raise you one.
I like your poker style.
Theo worked out a deal with his buddy Hoyer…..now its Cashman and Towers turn. Too bad the circumstances aren’t exactly the same.
Even better.
Get cc, Lee, Upton, and greinke.
Dump AJ.
Woo Hoo !
Too bad that can’t happen.
Greatest team ever assembled.
I’m excited about the Alex Gonzalez trade. It was a bit boring when the Red Sox were awful last season.
And throw in soria to back up Mo.
OMG. Isn’t fantasy wonderful.
This looks like a steal for BOS.
Think if you’re one of the few thousand season ticket holders in SD, the team just traded away your star player, a hometown talent, an All-Star, a guy that will probably help you win a weak division,, for 3 minor league prospects.
That can’t go over well in SD. Did Hoyer really check with other teams and this is the best he can do? What is the rush to make this trade with BOS?
MTU,
lol, screw the budget….screw the future. Win now baby.
Blake-
Good thing we’re not GM’s the team would be run into the financial rocks.
Blake-
If the Sux get A-Gon, etc. that might bring cc into much higher relief.
I highly doubt we could get him but that’s what I said about Tex after we emptied the vault for CC and AJ.
It is a steal for the Sox if they can sign him….that’s the problem for other teams though, they may not want to offer.much if they can’t sign him.
This.deal does effectively gut an already thin red Sox.system though. The Yanks were able to sign Tex without doing that.
If this trade goes down Hoyer better damn well hope one or two of these guys become all-stars in SD or his career is toast.
Adrian Gonzalez is arguably one of the top 5-6 1B in baseball, he is 40 hr hitter in a baseball canyon, less than 30 years old, and the lone star on a pathetically boring SD team.
MTU,
Should be a very interesting next week.
blake, they have a negotiating window to sign him, all indications are they will get that piece done, it doesn’t matter they are gutting their average system, next year’s draft will help replenish it, the key is they are getting a premier player in his prime for prospects.
Great job by BOS, fireable offense for Hoyer.
If the Sux get A-Gon + they have just laid down the Gauntlet to the Yankees.
I hope it’s the equivalent of waving a red flag in front of a bull and leads to counter moves by the Yanks.
Arms race on !
Woo Hoo.
blake -
I think the RS are banking on re-stocking the farm with the picks they get from their FA, and next years draft is expected to be a good crop.
Good morning all.
Glad to hear that we’re close to re-signing Jeter and Mo. Jeter at 3/51 is fine by me, as is Mo at 2/30. Nothing else really matters pertaining to them. Negotiations take on a life of their own, but they get done.
I’m amazed that for over a year, we hear how interested boston is in Gonzalez, they make offers, get rejected, and continue to persue – even to the point of staffing the Padre’s front office – until they get their man. And no one else can get in on that action? No other team has a need at 1B that can top that offer? For a year?? What gives?
Congrats to them if their persistence pays off, but if they add Werth AND Crawford, look out. Even if it’s Worth OR Crawford, Drew is still there for a year. That’s a potent OF, and a very respectable infield corner situation.
I think that acquiring Gonzalez and Werth (who would probably play LF for a year), may force the Yankees to sign Crawford just to maintain the offensive balance AND sign Lee to upgrade the rotation, as that boston lineup will be quite potent.
Yankee21,
Yes they can sign him. If other teams were uncertain that they could get that done then their offers will.be much less. Hoyer had to decide if the Sox prospects were worth taking a shot in 2011 with Gonzalez…..apparently he thought it was. He had better be right or the SD fans aren’t going to be happy.
Wow. What a competition it’s going to be this season.
Awesome.
Hoyer just showed everyone what a “Home Town” discount looks like.
Take it for what it’s worth.
“•Sweeny Murti of WFAN.com tweets that the Yankees worked deep into the night to get a deal done, and they’re talking about a three-year contract worth $51MM that includes a fourth year vesting option at $10MM. The two sides are reportedly “very close.”
GB-
That’s old news. On to the main event !
Gonzalez in unquestionably one of the top 1B in the game and is a great acquisition for the Sawx considering they may have gotten him without giving up Ellsbury or Bard.
Can we stop referring to Carl Crawford as “CC”??? We already have a “CC”. Find another nickname/moniker if you don’t mind.
I love Crawford as a player, but signing him only makes sense if there’s a Granderson or Gardner deal in place for pitching.
AL,
Yea im sure that’s their plan….but they will have virtually nothing close to the big leagues for 2-3 years.
Blake-
And don’t forget what great Catching the Sux have.
86-
Crawford is cc. To distinguish him from CC.
JCPD -
I’ll be on the lookout for those snow drift pictures, lol.
Is Dakota with you? I bet he loves playing in the snow.
Are they letting you go home for the holidays, or are you stuck in the snow belt of the Orangemen?
MTU -
BIG CC as to differ from little cc, you trying to confuse us, we are too confused already.
JCPD-
So verbose !
Please e-mail me about your adventures.
I wake up to see the Padres making a terrible deal. Great.
Kelly’s stock is down and never should have been so high.
Iglesias’s stock is down and never should have been so high. He was somehow a future all-star before he played a game. Then it became “well, once he learns how to hit.” yeah, sure…
SD could have demanded Bard, Lowrie, Kalish, and Kelly and I thunk they’d have gotten it eventually. And even that’s a good deal for AGone.
SD is surely going to miss Kevin Towers.
Will the Red Sox be able to afford both Gonzalez and Werth…?
Signing Lee is all important to help neutralize the boston lineup, but an outfield of Crawford, Gardner, and Granderson wouldn’t be bad either.
Swisher could become Mr. Super Utility: DH/OF/1B splitting time with Posada as DH.
Or, Cashman could call Mr. Hoyer up and say, ‘need a 1B?’ Swisher for Heath Bell.
Checkmate.
I dunno “MTU”…
How would you feel if we added an “mtu” to this site?
GB7 -
I think you’re sleep walking from last night.
I guess you were out late with the clique, lol.
“Ellsbury, pedroia, Gonzalez, Youkalis, Werth would be a very strong 1-5.”
Yes it is.
But how much better is it than–
Ellsbury, Pedroia, Martinez, Youkalis, Beltre
It is definitely an improvement, but how much so if you Add up their lost prospects and added payroll ????
Roger,
Yes, if they really want to.
86-
Could care less as long as he/she has interesting posts and a good sense of humor.
MTU -
You pissed some folks off, you’ll have to learn to spell the complete name, or else!
With Gonzalez gone, SD doesn’t need a Heath Bell, so why not get a good defensive 1B/OF, who can hit for power and good run production, and who would flourish in the sunny atmosphere of SD, just like his personality. Keeps them competitive without a hole at 1B.
Yankees get their 8th inning setup man.
What is SD’ rush to trade Adrian Gonzalez now? Why not wait a few weeks and see how things play out and give other teams a chance to exceed BOS offer?
Yes, Hoyer will get more now then in mid-season for him, but Hoyer effectively relinquished any shot at all of this division with this move and likely impacted ticket sales negatively as this is arguably Agon is one of the only guys responsible for putting any butts in the seats to watch this pathetically boring team..
There are at least 10-15 teams out there that need a 1B and 4-5 teams that you would think could afford him? Again, what is the rush, why BOS, why now?
Tar,
That’s a good point
I’d be a little concerned about RF if Swisher is not out there. None of the others comes close to a RF arm, though Swish isn’t great in that regard.
A super utility role for Swisher is kinda rough with the guy making $ 9 M. Just too much to spend when you already have a $ 13.1 M DH.
Still when is an everyday OF of Crawford’s talents going to be available in his prime again? And it’s not like the system is bursting with OF prospects.
Let me find out that boston secretly owns the Padres…so basically they transfer front office staff and then make a deal.
AL, not sleep walking. Just got tired the the idiocy from last night. As far as what Boston did in the trade, makes no difference to me. I only worry about what the Yankees actually do.
Would love to add Heath Bell as a setup guy, but, Hoyer would most likely expect too much, after all, he has to protect his friends in Boston.
Bell is an FA next year, maybe they would talk trade.
What is the over/under for Gonzalez in Fenway?
45 HR, 45 2b, 130 RBI ?
Saint-
Sounds like metastatic Cancer.
Time to apply radiation and chemo.
GB7 -
It went far beyond idiotcy last night, can’t stay here when it gets like that.
Got to go, catch you later.
Radiation = Lee
Chemo = Crawford
Our last OF prospect was a rookie of the year candidate and played CF for Detroit – Austin Jackson, and we considered him expendable for a sure thing – Curtis Granderson.
That said, I don’t think we’re trading Granderson unless we’re getting back some pretty good pitching. I’ll believe it when I see it (Soria/Bell?). But he should be able to play RF or platoon with Gardner for CF and leave Swisher in RF.
But Swisher has value. If SD is now giving people away, I’d then take a deficiency in RF by having Granderson play there, and shore up my bullpen by adding Bell.
Just sayin…
Went back and watched Montero’s first spring training home run.
Took and 0-2 change up from a lefty opposite field.
Effortless power.
Thanks for the clarification MTU. You know you can’t thow around those big words on me!
Made me run to Google for a definition! LOL!
But I agree.
Looks like this deal had a ton of steam before it went public because Sox flew Gonzales to Boston yesterday.
MTU, no adventures so far, just work and a hotel room.
I think it makes sense if the Padres believe that the prospects they’re getting in return have more long term value than Ellsbury (whose stock is majorly down) and Bard. Clearly they’re not making a “win now” decision by trading their superstar who they know they can’t sign to a new contract.
As for why now and why the Red Sox? Now because they can get more value for him, rather than later when they practically have to trade him. Red Sox because for the past two years they’ve been the team most interested in him. This isn’t on a whim here, people.
This move is a necessity for the Sox after letting Beltre and Martinez slide.
Meanwhile if the Yankees tack on Lee and Montero has a nice year, I think we’ll be fine.
MTU December 4th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Radiation = Lee
Chemo = Crawford
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If Crawford is Chemo, then Lee should be Sabi
“I love people who think the Yankees “caved” on the Jeter deal.”
if the deal is for 19 million a year, yankee management caved because i don’t remember hearing cashman say go check what other teams are offering and we’ll meet you in the middle.
the tone of what he said was, ” we are already giving you too much and if you don’t think so go check with other teams because you are lucky we’re offering you 3 years at 15. hank was complaining players like jeter were making more than ownership. no matter how much you spin it yankee management and ownership was intent on tellng jeter how it was going to be.
if jeter signs at 19 million a year,jeter clearly let yankee management and ownership know that they don’t set the terms.
if jeter signed at 15 million a year, then yankee management got their way and jeter caved,
at 17 million, it’s a wash.
with all the differing rumors out this morning on how much jeter is going to get, who caved is open to question.
as for the red sox , they’re losing beltre and victor martinez so just adding adrian Gonzalez doesn’t necessarily improve their offense.
it seems to me the red sox would have been better keeping vmart and beltre and keeping their prospects.
beltre was a really good player in fenway.
he was better than arod last year .the guy can play.
Players are underpaid at the beginning of their careers and overpaid at the end. Jeter is no different. How much was he earning when during the “dynasty years” in the late 90′s? Probably no where near what he was worth. $19M for three or four years is too much since no one else would pay that much. For Derek Jeter on the Yankees, it’s the right price.