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Report: Rivera on verge of two-year deal

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ph_121250According to the New York Daily News, Mariano Rivera is about to sign a two-year, $30-million deal. The contract could be finalized tomorrow.

The story says Rivera had already received a three-year offer from another team, which led the negotiations with the Yankees to intensify.

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205 Responses to “Report: Rivera on verge of two-year deal”

  1. Carl December 3rd, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Russel Martin non-tendered.

    Trading Carlos Santana for Casey Blake was pretty stupid.

  2. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Jetopia has always been at war with A-rodica

  3. ericns1 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Wonder which team that was?

  4. BTX December 3rd, 2010 at 12:11 am

    Would jump all over Martin. Move him to 1st base perhaps.

  5. Betsy December 3rd, 2010 at 12:11 am

    Mo’s the best……it appears these negotiations are going as smoothly as Mo’s 1,2, 3 innings

  6. michaels07 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:12 am

    I guess Jeter is next with a 4yr deal.

  7. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 3rd, 2010 at 12:12 am

    Rivera displayed more loyalty and class to fans all over the world. Jete would have taken those offers that Mo received and hung them around Cashman’s neck like an albatross. Loyalty to team is a long forgotten ideal…yet Mo brought the ideal back. A shame Jete won’t follow that example

  8. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 12:12 am

    No fan of A-rod mercilessly booed A-rod from 2004 to 2009. Why would they be A-rod fans? How did you know they were? Did they say “I love A-rod, but god he sucks as a Yankee.” Or like booed him while holding up their foam a-rod fingers?

  9. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:12 am

    But, how can the Yankees negotiate with more than one player at a time? I’ve never heard of such a thing. That Cashman can really get things done, huh?

  10. Yank 97 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:12 am

    # Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Jetopia has always been at war with A-rodica

    ————–

    and at this point, A-Rotica has left him in the dust.

  11. rb from LI December 3rd, 2010 at 12:13 am

    God forbid!

    Jon Heyman RT by mlbtraderumors
    #redsox tried to steal rivera with 3-year offer, im hearing. 2 more teams also offered 3. but rivera is close to $30-mil deal with #yankees

  12. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 12:15 am

    No one knows why Mariano made the decision he did.

  13. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:15 am

    Mariano has gone through this ritual with the Yankees how many times now? It’s no surprise there was very few bumps in the road.

  14. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 3rd, 2010 at 12:16 am

    “He wanted to stay loyal to the Yankees,”

    Jeter, go ahead and ask for more money than Mo. We know where your loyalties lie.

  15. BTX December 3rd, 2010 at 12:17 am

    ID – From the previous thread

    When that player is 37 years old, you have to proceed with caution.

    Not to mention, this offer would make him the highest-paid SS in the game by 40%. So he is getting paid double what a 90+ OPS SS would.

    I don’t blame him for seeking a higher offer either, because the Yanks have proven they never hold firm.

  16. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:17 am

    How could the Red Sox non-tender the great Taylor Buchholz?

  17. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Mariano is (or should be) the face of the Yankees.

  18. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Russell Martin might be worth a shot. He can backup catcher and third base. I’d sign him just to compete with Montero, Romine and Cervelli for the starting catcher spot. If you can give Randy Winn money, you can give it to Russell Martin.

  19. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Wang non-tendered.

    jonmorosi #RedSox non-tender Andrew Miller. #Boston

    SI_JonHeyman the rare double hypen. RT @gbakermariners Ryan Rowland-Smith non-tendered.

    jonmorosi #Jays non-tender Accardo and Fred Lewis. #Toronto #MLB

    jonmorosi #Nats non-tender Nieves, Peralta, Wang

    jonmorosi #Marlins non-tender Veras and Paulino.

    jonmorosi #Rockies non-tender Delcarmen.

  20. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:19 am

    “Hey go exercise your fan rights, man. Go to the park and say “boooooo!!!!” “Booooo Derek!!!” “Me want big OPS shortstop, not you. Boooo!!!!” “My life sucks, but at least I can say “booooo!!!” “Me want Hanley, Yanks signed Derek for more than I wanted them to. “Booooo??” “Boo hoo!!!” “His OPS may not be Hanley’s, but he’s a real ballplayer with real rings and gold gloves and all I’ll ever be is a fantasy baseball geek…:( But at least I can say “booooo!””

    I never booed a player in my life.

    Given how often you type the word, my guess is that you have.

    And btw, your syntax is awful.

  21. Yank1 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:20 am

    “No one knows why Mariano made the decision he did.”

    Nor do we need to know. What we do know, is that he turned down higher offers, both in years and dollars, from 3 other teams, including our hated rival.

    He could have turned this thing into a smashmouth bidding war, but he didn’t.

    Even if he really wanted to stay a Yankee (and had personal/family reasons to stay in NY), nothing stopped him from using all his leverage to get the best deal possible. Yankees would have never let him walk so he could have gotten a payraise if he chose to.

  22. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:20 am

    BTX – Caution is fine, but in the Yankee’s situation, there is really no alternative. If there was another SS option they could use that as leverage to force him into a lower contract but that player just doesn’t exist.

    They created Jeter’s perceived value and now they have to eat it. At the end of the day the Yankee’s could lose double what they pay Jeter and not even flinch.

  23. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:21 am

    “If there was another SS option they could use that as leverage to force him into a lower contract but that player just doesn’t exist.”

    You don’t know that they couldn’t deal for a SS they want. They have tons of assets.

  24. Red Lobster December 3rd, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Martin is very intriguing. Could be a nice buy-low candidate. Can’t be worse than Cervelli and has much higher upside.

    Chances are though, he’s going to go to a team where he can catch everyday, not be a 3rd catcher.

  25. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:23 am

    Martin would be worth a shot? If he was a horse, he would be shot. He’s a catcher with a broken hip. Great idea.

  26. raymagnetic December 3rd, 2010 at 12:24 am

    “I never said he couldn’t ask. I said he was clueless for asking for a raise coming off two of three seasons that were far below his career average.

    I mean the Yankees did draft him, develop him, surround him with enough good players to win 5 rings, and made him a very, very rich man.

    Would showing some gratitude be such an awful thing?”

    He should show gratitude? He earned his money with the Yankees. He doesn’t owe the Yankees anything.

    He is trying to get the most money he can and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it.

  27. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:24 am

    Bret – It’s not like they have a Jesus Montero waiting in the wings they are clearing room for. They non tendered him because he is not worth $6m. Even as a free agent Martin will cost too much to be a backup catcher.

  28. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:25 am

    pat December 3rd, 2010 at 12:18 am
    Wang non-tendered.

    jonmorosi #RedSox non-tender Andrew Miller. #Boston

    SI_JonHeyman the rare double hypen. RT @gbakermariners Ryan Rowland-Smith non-tendered.

    jonmorosi #Jays non-tender Accardo and Fred Lewis. #Toronto #MLB

    jonmorosi #Nats non-tender Nieves, Peralta, Wang

    jonmorosi #Marlins non-tender Veras and Paulino.

    jonmorosi #Rockies non-tender Delcarmen.

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    pat, Accardo is one that would be worth a minor league contract and rehab assignment.

  29. Red Lobster December 3rd, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Rich – did someone type that to you in the other thread?

    lol too funny. Gold Gloves? Rings? (as if they increase the value of a player).

    And how is he a “real” player compared to Hanley? Is “real” code for inferior?

    And if he doesn’t want advanced stats – how about .270 and 37?

    That post was loaded with fail.

  30. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 12:12 am
    No fan of A-rod mercilessly booed A-rod from 2004 to 2009. Why would they be A-rod fans? How did you know they were? Did they say “I love A-rod, but god he sucks as a Yankee.” Or like booed him while holding up their foam a-rod fingers?
    ________________
    I assume you didn’t attend games during those years. Your adorable little example is more representative that you can even imagine.

  31. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:26 am

    “He should show gratitude? He earned his money with the Yankees. He doesn’t owe the Yankees anything.”

    We fundamentally disagree.

    “He is trying to get the most money he can and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it.”

    Again.

  32. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 3rd, 2010 at 12:26 am

    “They created Jeter’s perceived value and now they have to eat it. At the end of the day the Yankee’s could lose double what they pay Jeter and not even flinch.”

    Yes it’s just the NYY’s money. Of course they pass the cost on to the fans that go to the ballpark, etc etc. The fan’s always pay in the end. Why would they flinch when the suckers bail them out with game tickets, concessions, merchandise….

  33. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Rich in NJ – You don’t know that they couldn’t deal for a SS they want. They have tons of assets.

    I don’t know that? The Yankee’s certainly aren’t showing that hand if it exists. I certainly don’t believe they would have started at 3/$15 if they thought that was even an option. The situation is what it is, and it doesn’t even hint at a SS trade being an option.

  34. Red Lobster December 3rd, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Would take a shot on Delcarmen, Veras, Accardo, Wang, Rowland-Smith as a LOOGY, and see if we can squeeze something out of Andrew Miller.

  35. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:29 am

    “I was there. I attended almost every game. They are the same people who would cheer Alex when he hit a HR. But I guess you had to be there.”

    You are the same person who just decried small sample sizes.

  36. raymagnetic December 3rd, 2010 at 12:29 am

    “We fundamentally disagree.”

    You’re right we do.

    I disagree with anyone who says Jeter is somehow greedy for trying to get the most money he can from the Yankees.

  37. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:29 am
    “I was there. I attended almost every game. They are the same people who would cheer Alex when he hit a HR. But I guess you had to be there.”

    You are the same person who just decried small sample sizes.
    _________________
    How are attending 400 not including playoff games, which I would have to add up, a small sample size? I think not.

  38. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:30 am

    melkmanisinhotlanta – At this point, I would imagine ticket sales are a small fraction of the Yankee’s revenue stream. They raise the prices because inflation allows them to do so. Not because they need your $ to pay the players.

  39. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Ronny Paulino is another guy I’d throw into the mix in spring training.

  40. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Irreverent Discourse

    With the glaring exception of Hank, why should they show their hand?

    Although I guess you could say that if Hank hasn’t mentioned, it isn’t happening.

    As for the original offer, if true, it shows that they respect what Jeter has done and wanted to demonstrate that.

    Yet Jeter/Close were “baffled.”

    *shrugs*

  41. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Look, this discussion starts when Jeter is called “greedy,” “disloyal,” etc. How is in anyway fair to throw around those terms? Then I have every right to counter with equally unquantifiable terms and remarks.

  42. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 12:32 am

    *it*

  43. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 12:33 am

    PeteAbe I’m sure there is some reason the #RedSox acquired Buchholz and Miller then non-tendered them less a month later. But it escapes me.

    :smile:

  44. Melkmanisinhotlanta December 3rd, 2010 at 12:33 am

    “I disagree with anyone who says Jeter is somehow greedy for trying to get the most money he can from the Yankees.”

    Then you would agree that the NYY have to get the most production from Jete. What if he has another bad year? Is it fair to have to pay guaranteed money for a declining producer? Hence the 7 million annually he truly deserves.

  45. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:33 am

    “I was there. I attended almost every game. They are the same people who would cheer Alex when he hit a HR. But I guess you had to be there.”

    ——————————–

    I’m pretty sure EVERY fan cheers when a HR is hit.

    What are the fans going to do, BOOOOO YOU HIT A HR!!!!!!!! :mad:

  46. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:33 am

    “How are attending 400 not including playoff games, which I would have to add up, a small sample size? I think not.”

    The Yankees draw like 4m people, right?

    And I think I can safely assume that you possess no extraordinary powers of perception.

    Come on, that sample size couldn’t be smaller.

  47. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Paulino’s too big to be a catcher.

  48. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 12:35 am

    LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:33 am
    “I was there. I attended almost every game. They are the same people who would cheer Alex when he hit a HR. But I guess you had to be there.”

    ——————————–

    I’m pretty sure EVERY fan cheers when a HR is hit.

    What are the fans going to do, BOOOOO YOU HIT A HR!!!!!!!!
    ________________
    OK, clearly you never attended games at the Stadium. Let’s drop it.

  49. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:35 am

    “Look, this discussion starts when Jeter is called “greedy,” “disloyal,” etc. How is in anyway fair to throw around those terms? Then I have every right to counter with equally unquantifiable terms and remarks.”

    I think the discussion starts with:

    “How dare anyone criticize Jeter?”

    “That makes you a hater.”

    “You must be a Sox fan.”

  50. Tar December 3rd, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Quiet night on the blog huh? What did I miss?

    :D

  51. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Close is an idiot. I don’t think either of us can say anything he has done in this process has helped Jeter.

    why should they show their hand?

    What exactly are they waiting for? They are talking about giving in to Jeter’s demands, not exploring other options. If they believed that hand exists they would have played it by not bending on their initial offer 4 weeks into the offseason.

    Their actions alone make your hope for the “trade for someone else” option an impossibility.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 12:12 am
    No fan of A-rod mercilessly booed A-rod from 2004 to 2009. Why would they be A-rod fans? How did you know they were? Did they say “I love A-rod, but god he sucks as a Yankee.” Or like booed him while holding up their foam a-rod fingers?

    So you’re one of those johnny-come-lately Yankee fans who showed up because Arod got traded here. This explains a lot. No wonder you express 24/7 contempt for Jeter, you have no longstanding loyalty to the Yankees. Thanks for the insight.

  53. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:37 am

    “OK, clearly you never attended games at the Stadium. Let’s drop it.”

    —————————–

    Proof that I never attended games at the Stadium is me saying every fan cheers when a HR is hit???

    This style of discussion where you say, look I saw it with my own eyes so it must be true no matter what deserves a BOOOOO!!!

  54. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Irreverent Discourse

    I attributed to Kay repeating Yankee spin, but he did say today if Jeter doesn’t make a decision soon, the Yankees will trade for a SS.

    I know nothing. I’m just saying it’s possible, although I would be shocked.

  55. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:39 am

    “I disagree with anyone who says Jeter is somehow greedy for trying to get the most money he can from the Yankees.”

    Clueless, not greedy.

  56. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 12:39 am

    “What are the fans going to do, BOOOOO YOU HIT A HR!!!!!!!!”

    No. They complain it was a solo shot or hit in “garbage time” with too big or small a lead.

  57. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Kay says a lot of things, he has a radio show. He needs you to tune in tomorrow :)

  58. Patrick December 3rd, 2010 at 12:40 am

    The Pirates non-tendered Lastings Milledge. Uh oh.. look out for a flood of messages from Chip

  59. Carl December 3rd, 2010 at 12:40 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 12:12 am
    No fan of A-rod mercilessly booed A-rod from 2004 to 2009. Why would they be A-rod fans? How did you know they were? Did they say “I love A-rod, but god he sucks as a Yankee.” Or like booed him while holding up their foam a-rod fingers?

    So you’re one of those johnny-come-lately Yankee fans who showed up because Arod got traded here. This explains a lot. No wonder you express 24/7 contempt for Jeter, you have no longstanding loyalty to the Yankees. Thanks for the insight.

    Those A-Rod era Yankee fans! They have nothing on those Jeter era Yankee fans!

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 12:43 am

    “How dare anyone criticize Jeter?”

    “That makes you a hater.”

    “You must be a Sox fan.”

    You do nothing but take shots at Jeter, I’ve read the posts. It’s not about the money or years. It’s way deeper for you. How many times did you say ‘lee is far more important business’. How many times d’ya think? Your measured posts and all your metrics don’t disguise your hatred for Derek Jeter. All anyone would have to do is read back and the sheer repetition outs you big time.

  61. Patrick December 3rd, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Pretty sure Jerkface has been a Yankee fan for longer than 2004….

  62. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:44 am

    “You do nothing but take shots at Jeter, I’ve read the posts. It’s not about the money or years. It’s way deeper for you. How many times did you say ‘lee is far more important business’. How many times d’ya think? Your measured posts and all your metrics don’t disguise your hatred for Derek Jeter. All anyone would have to do is read back and the sheer repetition outs you big time.”

    Thanks for proving my point.

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Clueless, not greedy.

    Right. It always salves the soul to make the athlete dumb. At least we have our intellectual superiority.

  64. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Rich in NJ – I mainly disagree with your assertion that Jeter is somehow clueless in this process. Has a player ever taken the first contract they were offered? I would be pretty damn upset if my agent, a guy I give a percentage of my income, took the first offer on the table.

    The Yankees never severely lowballed Jeter, they were respectful with their first offer… but even they knew when they made it that they would end up paying him more in some fashion. It’s the nature of a negotiation. You offer the least you would try to get away with, they come back with more than they want, and you work from there. It’s not rocket science… and it’s not greed or disloyalty or any of this nonsense that gets thrown around here every day.

    It’s just business.

  65. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:46 am

    “Right. It always salves the soul to make the athlete dumb. At least we have our intellectual superiority.”

    If you think clueless means dumb, you’re lost.

    A genius can be more out of touch with reality than a simpleton.

  66. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Rays non-tendered J.P. Howell. He won’t start the season but he might be worth looking into if he is able to come back from the injury. His splits were still pretty good last I looked, though maybe gave up a few too many walks.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 12:48 am

    No wonder the posters who y have some insights to bring to the table have turned this blog into a desert.

  68. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Irreverent Discourse

    I think there are times when your negotiating hand is so poor that you don’t overplay it when the other party has done so much for you.

    If Jeter said, I realize that I had a very bad year, but if you pay me the same money I have been making for one more year, I will demonstrate that it was a fluke and then I will ask for the moon, I would really respect that.

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 12:49 am

    That’s heavy, Rich. Of course, being just a guy who bows before the Almighty Number, because he has no other ammunition, you wouldn’t know from genius.

  70. Tar December 3rd, 2010 at 12:49 am

    “You do nothing but take shots at Jeter, I’ve read the posts. It’s not about the money or years. It’s way deeper for you. How many times did you say ‘lee is far more important business’. How many times d’ya think? Your measured posts and all your metrics don’t disguise your hatred for Derek Jeter. All anyone would have to do is read back and the sheer repetition outs you big time”

    Not trying to pile on or anything, but that’s exactly the way I see it as well.

  71. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:50 am

    “No wonder the posters who y have some insights to bring to the table have turned this blog into a desert.”

    Insight = agrees with you

    Troll on, dude.

  72. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 12:50 am

    I wasn’t a fan before 2004? Time to throw away my 3-Jeter-Moon t-shirt :(

  73. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:51 am

    “That’s heavy, Rich. Of course, being just a guy who bows before the Almighty Number, because he has no other ammunition, you wouldn’t know from genius.”

    You got nothing.

  74. Patrick December 3rd, 2010 at 12:52 am

    I wasn’t a fan before 2004? Time to throw away my 3-Jeter-Moon t-shirt

    if this exists… I must have one

  75. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:37 am
    “OK, clearly you never attended games at the Stadium. Let’s drop it.”

    —————————–

    Proof that I never attended games at the Stadium is me saying every fan cheers when a HR is hit???

    This style of discussion where you say, look I saw it with my own eyes so it must be true no matter what deserves a BOOOOO!!!
    __________________________
    Be disingenuous if you wish. I am not trying to find “proof.” Strange word selection and view of the discussion, but as you see fit. However, I am stating that you would know what I am talking about IF you had attended games and seen the mistreatment of Alex.

    The fans HATED him irrationally and without cause and yes, they were the same ones who cheered him. And as Pat said, even denigrated his HR’s. It too was a kind of irrational rage, much like this has become but for different reasons. It is one thing to cerebrally talk numbers, value, it is another to denigrate a player’s character. That’s it.

  76. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Tar

    You’re not a troll, like that other dude, so I will mention one thing that proves you are wrong.

    If you actually read my posts, you would have to acknowledge that I have repeatedly corrected people who said that Jeter didn’t earn his recently expired contract.

    But hey, pile on, I can take it.

  77. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Rich in NJ – That would be pretty cool of Jeter to say. It would also be extremely foolish. Now he would have the rest of his career literally hinged on a single season, and any injury could mean the end of the road in addition to needing to live up to some imaginary level of play.

    Slightly unfair I think. The Yankees have made bigger commitments to lesser people.

  78. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Tar December 3rd, 2010 at 12:49 am
    “You do nothing but take shots at Jeter, I’ve read the posts. It’s not about the money or years. It’s way deeper for you. How many times did you say ‘lee is far more important business’. How many times d’ya think? Your measured posts and all your metrics don’t disguise your hatred for Derek Jeter. All anyone would have to do is read back and the sheer repetition outs you big time”

    Not trying to pile on or anything, but that’s exactly the way I see it as well.
    _________________
    Unfortunately, it has become a sport in its own right.

  79. RMS December 3rd, 2010 at 12:55 am

    “Yes it’s just the NYY’s money. Of course they pass the cost on to the fans that go to the ballpark, etc etc. The fan’s always pay in the end”

    So if the Yankees do not sign Jeter are you saying prices will go down?

  80. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Irreverent Discourse

    Because he can afford to live according to principle?

    The Yankees have made tons of stupid commitments, but each time they made them, they reasonably thought that they were making the right decision.

    In this case, you are asking them to make a huge commitment even though they reasonably believe it isn’t the right decision.

    So what’s really “extremely foolish”?

  81. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:59 am

    “Unfortunately, it has become a sport in its own right.”

    What has really become sport has been to attack the motives and the Yankee fan bona fides of anyone who dissents from the Jeter deserves whatever he wants meme.

  82. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Rich in NJ – You only assume they don’t think it’s right. That’s the disconnect.

    They offered him 3/$15 to start the process.

    At no point would (should?) a GM expect a player to accept the first offer he is made.

    At no point was Cashman surprised that Jeter’s camp asked for more money and more years.

    If they reasonably believed it wasn’t the right decision, they wouldn’t have thrown $45million on the table to start. That’s an odd way of appearing upset.

  83. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Derek isn’t being greedy.

    If Close can’t come up with an offer better than what the Yankees are at by the end of the winter meetings and Derek is still holding out for $20+ and extra years I reserve the right to re-evaluate the clueless part.

  84. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 1:04 am

    They offered him 3/$15 to start the process.

    ******

    Some outlets have reported that was the 2nd offer made to Jeter.

    That’s it for me tonight. Need to rest up and recuperate from another thrilling match of Jeter Bash.

  85. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Irreverent Discourse

    There are two ways to look at it (assuming the reports are true).

    1) The way you are looking at it, but it has also been reported that they will increase the offer.

    2) The approached this negotiation differently out of respect for Jeter, and started near their endpoint because they didn’t want to lowball him with an initial offer, the way they might with someone else.

  86. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:59 am
    “Unfortunately, it has become a sport in its own right.”

    What has really become sport has been to attack the motives and the Yankee fan bona fides of anyone who dissents from the Jeter deserves whatever he wants meme.
    __________
    No, it is the character assassinations that have in no way needed to but have accompanied too many of the posts on here. Very few people including me think he should get whatever he wants. That is pure hyperbole.

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 1:07 am

    “That’s heavy, Rich. Of course, being just a guy who bows before the Almighty Number, because he has no other ammunition, you wouldn’t know from genius.”

    You got nothing.

    I got what used to be a thoughtful read where baseball was discussed overrun by posters who got nothin to say, although they use the word “value” a lot. And they’ve chased off all the guys who actually had something to say, because they actually played and knew baseball IQ when they saw it and could actually discuss it with intelligence and charm. And they didn’t spend their time smugly running down Derek Jeter, one of the greatest short stops of all time. They took pride in him being a Yankee. As if you have anything to be smug about, cutting down Jeter every chance you get. Troll? LOL. I’m a troll because I don’t want to listen to nobodies get passive aggressive kicks running down Jeter on a Yankee site. That’s rich, Rich.

  88. yankeefeminista December 3rd, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Well, I am out. Props to Mo. Jeter next. Have a good night, all!

  89. Tar December 3rd, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Rich

    True or not, it is my perspective from reading your posts.

    It has at times, led to my frustrated comments directed back at you.

    And I really wasn’t trying to pile on.

    Goodnight all. ( I liked it better when Erica said goodnight :sad: )

  90. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 1:12 am

    “I got what used to be a thoughtful read where baseball was discussed overrun by posters who got nothin to say,”

    Then stop reading your own posts.

    “And they didn’t spend their time smugly running down Derek Jeter, one of the greatest short stops of all time. ”

    I support giving the guy $45m over three years, and have said that he earned his last contract, but I am running him down.

    “I’m a troll because I don’t want to listen to nobodies get passive aggressive kicks running down Jeter on a Yankee site.”

    Trust me, I have tons of faults, but a passive-aggressive personality is not one of them.

    So yeah, you have proved once again that you are a troll.

  91. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Tar

    I think your perspective is deeply biased.

    GN

  92. Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 1:13 am

    “No, it is the character assassinations that have in no way needed to but have accompanied too many of the posts on here. Very few people including me think he should get whatever he wants. That is pure hyperbole.”

    This is pure projection.

    I’m out too.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 1:16 am

    Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 12:19 am
    “Hey go exercise your fan rights, man. Go to the park and say “boooooo!!!!” “Booooo Derek!!!” “Me want big OPS shortstop, not you. Boooo!!!!” “My life sucks, but at least I can say “booooo!!!” “Me want Hanley, Yanks signed Derek for more than I wanted them to. “Booooo??” “Boo hoo!!!” “His OPS may not be Hanley’s, but he’s a real ballplayer with real rings and gold gloves and all I’ll ever be is a fantasy baseball geek…:( But at least I can say “booooo!””

    I never booed a player in my life.

    Given how often you type the word, my guess is that you have.

    And btw, your syntax is awful.

    Guess you never read “America”. Why am I not surprised.

  94. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Rich, obviously you are just an evil, evil man.

    You can always tell someones maturity by how quickly they need to draw a line in the sand.

    Don’t let them get to you. We all do, it’s hard to ignore so much.

    The that someone could hate Jeter just by discussing what he should sign for is insane.

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Rich in NJ December 3rd, 2010 at 1:13 am
    “No, it is the character assassinations that have in no way needed to but have accompanied too many of the posts on here. Very few people including me think he should get whatever he wants. That is pure hyperbole.”

    This is pure projection.

    I’m out too.

    Projection? No it’s acute perception. Don’t hurry back, now.

  96. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Prufrock – at what point do you start contributing to the conversation?

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 1:19 am

    So yeah, you have proved once again that you are a troll.

    God bud, that just cuts to the quick. Sleep well, now.

  98. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 1:21 am

    I enjoy this new gimmick poster.

  99. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 1:23 am

    For a guy named after a love song, he’s not very nice.

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 1:27 am

    ID you need irony 101.

  101. Carl December 3rd, 2010 at 1:27 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 1:19 am

    So yeah, you have proved once again that you are a troll.

    God bud, that just cuts to the quick. Sleep well, now.

    I might not agree with some of the stuff Rich says, but lest be honest, you signed up and troll’d him lol

  102. G. Love December 3rd, 2010 at 1:27 am

    I don’t hate Jeter, but I think his current contract negotiation is a disgrace. He’s asking for money he does not deserve based on his production and age because of intangibles and celebrity both of which he would not have if the front office didn’t surround him with the best.

    Do I think he should be stoned by a crowd of angry fans? No.

    But I do think he better hope he’s not in an age related decline, because the kind of money he’s going to get is going to be a huge bullseye for the first time in his Yankee career based on how his agent has played these negotiations.

  103. SAS December 3rd, 2010 at 1:30 am

    G. Love,

    If you were in Jeter’s place, you wouldn’t make the best deal you could…of course you would.

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 1:38 am

    Been a lurker here for some time. Always enjoyed the colorful banter here, especially the folks who don’t rely solely on saber sites to tell them how to interpret the game of baseball. But I signed up because I’m tired of reading the Jeter bashing that seems to go on here day and night.

  105. BJK December 3rd, 2010 at 1:47 am

    Tomorrow night on another exciting episode of The Lohud Yankee Blog:

    “Jeter’s Greedy!”
    “No, Yankees are cheap!”
    “No they’re not, he’s delusional!”
    “No he’s not, you’re a Sox fan!”
    “You’re a troll!”
    “You are!”

    Check your local listings.

  106. jacksquat December 3rd, 2010 at 1:47 am

    Yank1 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:20 am
    “No one knows why Mariano made the decision he did.”

    Nor do we need to know. What we do know, is that he turned down higher offers, both in years and dollars, from 3 other teams, including our hated rival.

    Afaik, there was no mention of the other offers being for more dollars, just 3 years. The highest could have been 3/27 for all we know.

    He also may not want to play for more than 2 more years.

    I also don’t think there is really any such thing as “loyalty” in MLB anymore. It’s just business and life decisions. Mo is probably “comfortable” with the Yankees and just doesn’t want to switch teams at this point in his career, and/or it was the best offer.

    Plus 2 more years pretty much assures he passes Hoffman. He has probably said he doesn’t care about records, but I don’t believe any player when they say that. :)

  107. Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 2:13 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....tin-39370/

    Almost dealt Cervelli for Martin

  108. Nick in SF December 3rd, 2010 at 2:33 am

    From the previous thread:

    I don’t think it’s too likely that we — the LoHud unwashed and washed alike — can be in the know about the Yanks’ very strong desire to sign Cliff Lee without Lee and his agents also knowing.
    The cards weren’t too close to the vest to begin with.
    The real story here isn’t what Hank said, it’s that he finally found a way to slip out of the horse stable again.

  109. BJK December 3rd, 2010 at 2:36 am

    Jerkface December 3rd, 2010 at 2:13 am
    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/…..tin-39370/

    Almost dealt Cervelli for Martin

    ———————————————————————————————–

    Martin’s hip must be in a very bad way for that deal not to go through.

  110. Pops December 3rd, 2010 at 3:18 am

    Wow. How has a once interesting and insightful Yankees blog spiraled downward into a three-ring circus of Jeter bashing, name calling and hyper-opinionated blabbering? And how is it that Derek Jeter, one of the classiest athletes in all of sports, is deserving of this kind of treatment from his own purported fans? Is it because he didn’t accept the very first offer put on the table by his owners in what will likely be his final contract? Remember, he hasn’t uttered a single word publicly about his demands. All he’s done is play the game of baseball as hard and as well as it can be played for 16 years, winning the respect and admiration of many along the way, because he’s managed to do it with a grace, integrity and humility not found in many stars today (or at any other time).

    It would be nice if all of the OPS+ fantasy geeks and wanna-be GM’s gave it a rest and just let the negotiations run their course. If you believe the Yankees won’t be able to sign the second-coming of Walter Johnson in 2014 because of the money tied up in Jeter’s 4th year, then so be it. I’m sure the other $230 million worth of talent on the field will find a way to compete. And if they win, great. I’ll be shouting as loud as anyone. And if they don’t, then I for one will still appreciate the privilege of watching one of the finest players to ever play his position as he finishes his career in pinstripes with the much deserved love and respect that most of the true Yankee fans out there will surely bestow upon him.

  111. Lost December 3rd, 2010 at 3:36 am

    WHy am I awake at this ungodly hour? –sigh–

    Mo:

    As I stated weeks ago, Mo was going to get a 2 year offer. As the media always does, they framed it to look like the Yanks weren’t willing to go 2 years. Everybody expected Mo to sign for 2 years.. MO actually wasn’t sure if he wanted to start the Pettitte ritual of just going year to year. The man has integrity, his concern was that he didn’t want to take more than one year and not be able to finish out his contract. I’ll repeat myself again, Mo as great as he is and was last year.. after the allstar break, he was really banged up and sore.

    Jeter:

    Not getting a 4th year outright. Possible option and I do not know the detail, but look for DJ to get roughly 3/55 plus some milestone incentives.

    Lee:

    Still top priority, but noy willing to go 6.

    Greinke:

    Strategic leak. Don’t believe what you read about him considering the Yankees. If we lose out on Lee, the package would include Joba, B.G. Montero

    Crawford:

    Cash loves ‘em.. he absolutely has a man crush on him as well as Joe G. Do I see it happening? Way too early to tell right now. Depends where other dominos fall. I wouldn’t rule him out tho.

    Everbody knows the priorities, it’s no secret. But sneaky quiet Yankee VIPs are very interested in improving offense.

    Pettitte:

    Still no decision, but from what I am hearing is that one day he wants back in, and the next he is unsure. I think Andy is coming back for one more. I did change my mind, but only because I was led to believe he was retiring this year.

  112. Nick in SF December 3rd, 2010 at 3:38 am

    I enjoyed that post more once I got this visual of Pops:

    http://nanuse.webcindario.com/...../padre.JPG

  113. Lost December 3rd, 2010 at 3:42 am

    I should’ve said that there is concern about Gardner and his health/surgery; some don’t see him being ready to be everyday OF. at least not for the first few months of the season.

    Also, his bunting skills are in dire need of improvement, but last year when he would lay down a bunt it was rattle his wrist.

  114. Lost December 3rd, 2010 at 3:47 am

    Pops:

    Aside from your opinion of this blog, which I remain neutral.. It was a very well articulated post. I’ve been saying all along that Jeter has every right to ask for the moon and stars. It’s a neogtation.. the good old lowball and highball. I still think 3/45 is very fair, but you can’t expect him to take that much of a pay cut.

    The new era of Yankee brass is showing, and in the future.. you’ll all get a better picture of how Hal operated.

    Cash pressed for M. Holliday as much as he could, but Hal wasn’t budging. He does really like CC II quite a bit (Carl Crawford).

  115. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Pops: great post lat night.

    Great to hear about Mo. Don’t think he would ever leave but he could have used those 3 year offers to force the Yankees to 3 but he didn’t. Great news that that’s almost done.

    Lost,

    If they won’t budge off of 5 years for Lee then I think he stays in Texas….but I believe eventually they will give the 6th year to get it done.

    Also, really sad news for Cubs nation and really the rest of baseball this morning. RIP Ron Santo.

  116. upstate kate December 3rd, 2010 at 7:35 am

    ah I love the morning when it is peaceful and civil :)
    Happy to see Mo taken care of…hopefully Jeter follows quickly

  117. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 7:35 am

    “Lee:

    Still top priority, but noy willing to go 6.

    Greinke:

    Strategic leak. Don’t believe what you read about him considering the Yankees. If we lose out on Lee, the package would include Joba, B.G. Montero”

    Lets just say that these are the options….(go to a 6th year for Lee, or trade Montero, Gardner, and Montero for Greinke)….then I’m giving Lee the 6th year and keeping all those players.

  118. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 7:45 am

    Blake-

    I think that’s bullcrap about the Yanks not willing to go 6 on Lee, at least I hope it is.

  119. upstate kate December 3rd, 2010 at 7:45 am

    yes I agree Blake, that is way too much for Greinke

  120. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 7:48 am

    And I don’t care how much Girardi and Cash are fwning over cc.

    We don’t need him.

    We need Lee 10x’s more.

  121. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 7:49 am

    edit: “fawning”.

  122. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 7:49 am

    MTU,

    I believe ultimately they will…..they may be just holding that line right now go.see if they can avoid it.

  123. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 7:50 am

    “I think that’s bullcrap about the Yanks not willing to go 6 on Lee, at least I hope it is.”

    I think not WANTING to is true.
    I think not WILLINING to is false.

  124. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Also, really sad news for Cubs nation and really the rest of baseball this morning. RIP Ron Santo.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    RIP, Ron Santo. You’ve always been a HOFer as a player and a person. The voters should hang their heads in shame and stripped of voting privileges for life.

  125. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 7:53 am

    Mell-

    I could care less about what they are wanting to do.

    Who else compares this OS ?

    Who else of that caliber is available just for greenbacks ?

  126. upstate kate December 3rd, 2010 at 7:54 am

    I heard a rumor that ESPN is hosting an innovative hour long show with Lee called “the Choice”, where he reveals where he will pitch next year…wait, you say that has already been done??? by who??

  127. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Gb,

    Truly. I think he should be on the hall as well. Sad day….

    Mell,
    Agreed, don’t think thy want to but think they will if they have to.

  128. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:00 am

    I would think the Yankees extremely foolish if they would even consider letting Lee slip throught their fingers over what amounts to chump change to the Yankees.

    I don’t believe they will.

    If he helps get you a few more rings and gives you a great 4 of 6, or better, you gotta do it IMO.

    Cost of doing bidness.

  129. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 8:04 am

    “I could care less about what they are wanting to do.”

    Sure, but there’s some merit to it. Lee’s probably not going to have six outstanding seasons. Probably won’t have 5. It’s been discussed before, but there’s a pretty reasonable parallel between the prospective Lee signing and Mussina’s signing a decade back. Mussina basically went 4 for 6 in terms of really good seasons (on the initial contact), and brought a lot more significant body of outstanding work to the table than Lee brings. $140M is a lot of scratch to be doling out knowing that the history of FA pitchers on long term contracts says you’re probably not going to get your money’s worth over the term of the deal.

  130. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:07 am

    Mell-

    You’re entitled to your opinion.

    I’ve given mine.

  131. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:09 am

    I would way rather overpay Lee a bit than have to empty the farm
    to get a high quality arm.

    That’s my position.

  132. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 8:14 am

    RIP Ron Santo. I’m on the fence on his HOF worthiness, but he was a truly outstanding player and from all I’ve read a good guy. Condolences to his family and friends.

  133. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:16 am

    The Yankees pissed away a fortune on guys like Pavano, Igawa, and Burnett, and others.

    But we’re supposed to believe they’re not willing to lay down the green for Cliff Lee.

    What a hoot.

  134. Betsy December 3rd, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Mell, I’ll take 4/6 outstanding/very good years from Lee any day. I’d rather give 5, but if I have to I’d go 6. However, I’m not willing to give him whatever he wants. If he slips through our fingers because the he’s asking for the world, the sun, moon and the stars to boot, he can just go elsewhere

  135. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Actually, since you find the need to bring up Mussina in comparison to Lee, perhaps you should check Mussina’s first 7 years in Baltimore. They’re about the same. So much for “significantly better”.

  136. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Again, IMO Lee is the PERFECT replacement for AP going forward.

    perfect.

    If I have a concern, and it’s a small one, it’s over his health going forward.

    Barring a problem with that I’m 1000% on board.

  137. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Are you feeling me Cash ?

    Hal.

    Get ‘er done !

  138. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Pitching wins championships !

    :)

  139. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Great pitching wins many championships !

    :)

  140. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Cashman/Yankees will get their targets signed before Cristmas, along with filling out the rest of the initial 25 man roster.

  141. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Do something useful with AJ.

    Put him on an air boat and send him out into the swamp to get Lee.

    And tell him not to come back w/o him.

    :)

  142. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 8:28 am

    MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:25 am
    Great pitching wins many championships

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Many Yankee championships brings many tears in baseball.

  143. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:30 am

    GB-

    Tough noogies ! No mercy.

    :)

  144. austinmac December 3rd, 2010 at 8:30 am

    MTU,

    I completely agree with you on Lee. There is no second choice. If Lee isn’t signed the system will take a huge hit in the way of players for a significantly lesser pitcher.

  145. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 8:31 am

    “Actually, since you find the need to bring up Mussina in comparison to Lee, perhaps you should check Mussina’s first 7 years in Baltimore. They’re about the same. So much for “significantly better”.”

    Mussina had 9 years in Baltimore, not 7. He pitched to a 3.56 ERA, 1.17 WHIP and an ERA+ of 129 while averaging over 200 IP per season, and did it all in the AL East. Lee’s pitched 7 years to a 3.88 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, and ERA+ of 111 while averaging less than 200 innings per season.

    One guy brought the beginnings of a Hall of Fame resume to the Yankees. The other will not.

  146. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Devil’s advocate here:

    Lets say the Yankees internally have questions about whether Montero can catch at a big league level and about Gardner as a long term option in the outfield (injury concerns, regression, etc). Knowing the catching depth they have in their organization and the upside of a Gary Sanchez, would the Yankees be a better team in 2011 by signing Carl Crawford, making the deal for Greinke, and then signing an Olivo type to catch next season?

    In other words, would a combo of Greinke/Crawford/Olivo make the Yankees better in 2011 than Lee/Gardner/Montero?

    Crawford is younger and will be cheaper than Cliff Lee and thought he’s a similar player to Brett Gardner, he is a better with a much greater track record. Also, the commitment to Greinke would be much less than Lee both in money and years and would give them the option to let him go or re-sign him when his contract is up (His contract would expire around the time that some of the pitching down on the farm is arriving).

    Again, I’m playing Devil’s advocate and I would just sign Lee and keep what they already have…..but I can see the argument.

  147. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Mac-

    I know my elevator doesn’t go to the top floor.

    And I know I may not have all my oars in the water.

    And I will even concede that I may not be too tightly wrapped.

    But I still think I’m right on this one.

    :)

  148. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 8:33 am

    MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:30 am
    GB-

    Tough noogies ! No mercy.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I wanna see so many baseball tears that it will make The Great Flood look like a spring shower.

  149. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Maybe Cashman wearing the reindeer hat while he rappeled down the buiding is a secret code to Cliff Lee who is away deer hunting this weekend? Hmmmmm

  150. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Blake-

    Forget it !

  151. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 8:31 am
    “Actually, since you find the need to bring up Mussina in comparison to Lee, perhaps you should check Mussina’s first 7 years in Baltimore. They’re about the same. So much for “significantly better”.”

    Mussina had 9 years in Baltimore, not 7. He pitched to a 3.56 ERA, 1.17 WHIP and an ERA+ of 129 while averaging over 200 IP per season, and did it all in the AL East. Lee’s pitched 7 years to a 3.88 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, and ERA+ of 111 while averaging less than 200 innings per season.

    One guy brought the beginnings of a Hall of Fame resume to the Yankees. The other will not.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I’m comparing their first full 7 years. You can’t compare 7 years to 9 years.

  152. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:35 am

    GB-

    From your mouth to Hal’s ears.

    :)

  153. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 8:35 am

    “In other words, would a combo of Greinke/Crawford/Olivo make the Yankees better in 2011 than Lee/Gardner/Montero?”

    I’d say the answer to this is NO.

  154. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Buster_ESPN Sources: the Yankees are very much engaged in conversations with free agent outfielder Carl Crawford. What is unknown is whether they could sign Cliff Lee and still stay in the mix for Crawford, who figures to sign for more money than any player this winter.

  155. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Blake-

    Failure is not an option.

    Let’s keep our eyes on the prize.

    ;)

  156. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:37 am

    MTU,

    lol…have an imagination man.

  157. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Mell,

    how about 2012, 2013, 2014?

  158. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:40 am

    I really, really, really like this rotation:

    CC
    CL
    AP
    PH
    AJ

    Oh yeah ! :)

  159. Betsy December 3rd, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Blake, they’re not better off in any way trading for Greinke, IMO

  160. Betsy December 3rd, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Or trading Montero ………or trading Montero plus.

  161. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:41 am

    MTU,

    I really do too…..just thinking outside the box a bit. ;)

  162. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:43 am

    With that rotation who needs an offense, or a BP.

    :)

  163. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Ron Santo has passed away.

  164. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Betsy,

    Greinke is a very good pitcher….I don’t think he’s as good as Cliff Lee. I think he’s a notch below the very elite….probably in the 10-15 range of best pitchers in baseball but he’s very good…..he’s also 6 years younger than Lee. I would just sign Lee as I’ve said several times and wouldn’t want to trade what it would take to get Greinke, but he would help them if they acquired him.

  165. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Blake:

    I think the answer is still probably no. I think the chances of Lee being good thru 2014 are awfully good. In your scenario, Olivo is catching in 2011. Who’s catching the ’12-’14. I wouldn’t think Sanchez is ready til the tail end of that timeframe. As for Crawford, he’s a terrific player, but I think we’ve seen his best and would not be surprised if the last 2-3 years of a 6-7 year, big money contract are a little bit painful.

  166. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Your grandmother could catch those guys (except for AJ), and who needs a pitching coach.

    Just prop up a catcher’s mitt up on a stick along with a cardboard figure of a catcher, and tell them to hit the mitt.

    :)

  167. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:48 am

    And umps. Forget it. Everything is gonna be a strike anyway.

    :)

  168. theREALkevin December 3rd, 2010 at 8:49 am

    greinke would be a nice consolation prize, and i don’t think it will really matter cuz i’m sure the Yanks will land Lee, but i would hesitate giving up a lot for zack. any package of joba+montero is already too much in my opinion. 2009 he was obviously dynamite, most of his other years have been solid but nothing close to spectacular. montero is a guy i’d give up in a deal for Cliff Lee like the yanks were willing, but not greinke. not that it really matters though, the Yanks will probably land Lee, and the Rangers or some other team will try to package people for greinke.

  169. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Mell,

    I actually agree with you…..I was just trying to think through a possibilty if Lee were to actually stay in Texas. If they believe Montero can catch and believe in Gardner longterm then by all means that’s what they should do.

  170. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Jose Lopez traded to Colorado

  171. Chambliss December 3rd, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Jeter is a legend and one of my favorite players, but I could handle seeing him in another uniform. I would be crushed to see Mo in another uniform, so I am very pleased that he is about to re-sign.

    The Yankee pitchers would be very happy with an outfield of Gardner, Granderson and Crawford. It would be difficult for a ball to drop out there.

  172. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Blake-

    If the unfortunate occurrs then they will have to trade for a high quality arm.

    That, and probably beef up the offense.

  173. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:54 am

    MTU,

    Yes, a 2013 rotation of CC, Greinke, Hughes, Banuelos, Betances. With Brackman closing doesn’t sound so bad either ;)……

  174. Doreen December 3rd, 2010 at 8:55 am

    pat -

    Reindeer games?

    And what was with the hair????

  175. hardwired7 December 3rd, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Stupid other teams trying to get Mo.

    Yeah, right.

    Mo!

  176. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 8:57 am

    That alleged deal for Russell Martin would’ve freed up Montero for a trade. At least we know the Dodgers like Cervelli. Matt Kemp is still a possibility but I’d rather have him for RF in place of Swisher.

  177. upstate kate December 3rd, 2010 at 8:57 am

    any links on Cash-elf?
    nice to see you Doreen :)

  178. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 8:58 am

    It was excellent news to wake up to this morning that Mo is close to re-signing. :D

  179. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:58 am

    For them to get serious on Crawford would mean either 1) they are trying to drive up the price ( most likely) 2) they aren’t liking their chances at Lee and want to be in position to pounce on him if chooses Texas 3) they would consider trading Swisher and bringing both Lee and Crawford aboard. 4) screw the payroll…..let’s sign Uhm all.

  180. disco stu December 3rd, 2010 at 8:58 am

    “In other words, would a combo of Greinke/Crawford/Olivo make the Yankees better in 2011 than Lee/Gardner/Montero?”

    I dont believe so … Greinke, while talented, would come with baggage and the concern that he truly does not want to pitch in “big city”. You can see with Lee that he has a tremendous chip on his shoulder – I think he relishes the idea of pitching on the games biggest stage and since the Yankees are always built for October, he is a guy you want on your side when it counts the most.

    Crawford is obviouly better than Gardner. But Gardner was having a tremendous season last year before his wrist injury. I think he will continue to get better and he is just as much a stolen base threat as Crawford.

    Olivo is a journeyman catcher and they are a dime a dozen. Montero is the jewel of the Yankees farm system and is now ready for majors. By all accounts, his bat is ML ready, even if his defense is still a question mark. Regardless, his productivity at the plate should help make up for any dificiencies behind the plate.

  181. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 8:59 am

    hardwired7 December 3rd, 2010 at 8:56 am
    Stupid other teams trying to get Mo.

    Yeah, right.

    *************************
    LOL

  182. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Blake-

    Have you been sneakin’ up to the still w/o tellin’ me ?

    :)

  183. SJ44 December 3rd, 2010 at 8:59 am

    My favorite time of the year.

    A day after the Red Sox leak they are “deep into talks” with Crawford and made a 3 year offer to Mo, the Yankees leak to Buster they are still “very engaged” with Crawford.

    I love this stuff! lol

    Will be a fun week at the Winter Meetings.

  184. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 9:00 am

    pat December 3rd, 2010 at 8:36 am
    Buster_ESPN Sources: the Yankees are very much engaged in conversations with free agent outfielder Carl Crawford. What is unknown is whether they could sign Cliff Lee and still stay in the mix for Crawford, who figures to sign for more money than any player this winter.

    ***********

    I’ve been saying this for a long time.

  185. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 9:00 am

    kate-I’m dying to see him in his elf costume!! :)

  186. theREALkevin December 3rd, 2010 at 9:01 am

    the Yankees talk about a budget but some of that is hot air. lets not forget the last offseason after they missed the playoffs, they went out and got their big SP sabathia, and they were supposedly not in on Teixeira at all and then they swooped in and got him also. if they decide they really want Crawford also, gardner can be one of the best 4th OF’s in the league and their payroll gets even more ridiculous. but i wouldn’t put it past them.

  187. ac1 December 3rd, 2010 at 9:02 am

    who are the FAs that would surprise us?

  188. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Only a fool would prefer a catcher with a broken hip over even a rookie catcher that has Montero’s talents. Martin hasn’t been much of anything for the past few years.

  189. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 9:04 am

    GB-

    He ain’t no Roy Campanella that’s for sure.

    :)

  190. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 9:04 am

    blake December 3rd, 2010 at 8:33 am

    In other words, would a combo of Greinke/Crawford/Olivo make the Yankees better in 2011 than Lee/Gardner/Montero?

    ************

    Yes. There would be major questions surrounding your LF and catcher. Gardner has this wrist issue and Montero might not be ready to catch at the major league level. Long term – Lee’s age and his back are issues. Lots of risk in the scenario that everyone seems to be advocating.

    Greinke is as good a #2 as the Yankees can get behind Sabathia. Crawford is arguably the best LF in baseball and Olivo is proven and can be a place holder for Romine or even Sanchez. He’s 32 so he has a couple years. He’s excellent defensively.

  191. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 9:05 am

    MTU,

    Yes…my bad. You can take it out of my check :)

  192. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 9:06 am

    MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 9:04 am
    GB-

    He ain’t no Roy Campanella that’s for sure.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He’s not even Miguel Olivo anymore.

  193. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Green Beret,

    I’m pretty sure I’m advocating R. Martin over Cervelli and not Montero but go ahead…you tell me what I think.

  194. austinmac December 3rd, 2010 at 9:06 am

    I wonder if the Martin trade talk suggest that the Yankees still do question Montero’s ability to catch regularly +/or he is still a trade possibility. It seems to me one or both is likely.

  195. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Blake-

    You fessed up up. It’s all good.

    If we don’t Lee I’m gonna need a drink, or several.

  196. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 9:08 am

    New Post: A different kind of day

    :arrow:

  197. MTU December 3rd, 2010 at 9:09 am

    edit: “get Lee”.

  198. hardwired7 December 3rd, 2010 at 9:10 am

    apparently, Mo turned down a 3 yr/$51M offer from Boston.

    very similar to ’98, when Boston made a run at Bernie. the Yanks dodged a bullet on that one: remember the plan was to possibly replace Bernie w/Albert Belle.

  199. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 9:06 am
    Green Beret,

    I’m pretty sure I’m advocating R. Martin over Cervelli and not Montero but go ahead…you tell me what I think.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Of course, you’re idea of getting Martin to free up Montero for a trade had nothing to do with it. But, you go right ahead with your amazing trade ideas. I’ll just sit back and laugh.

  200. DocTodd December 3rd, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Does anybody know ,when an agent is taking bids for his player,does the agent let each team know what the high bid is so far so it can be beaten,or does the agent totally leave teams guessing???

  201. 108 stitches December 3rd, 2010 at 9:15 am

    The roll call by the Bleacher Creatures is great but nothing rises a Yankee crowd like when the bullpen door opens and No. 42 trots out toward the mound.
    It’s an inner feeling of confidence that the game is in hand and seldom does Mariano disappoint.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY3LAFJbKyY

  202. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 9:17 am

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 9:12 am
    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 9:06 am
    Green Beret,

    I’m pretty sure I’m advocating R. Martin over Cervelli and not Montero but go ahead…you tell me what I think.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Of course, you’re idea of getting Martin to free up Montero for a trade had nothing to do with it. But, you go right ahead with your amazing trade ideas. I’ll just sit back and laugh.

    **********

    You’re thick.

    Of course the idea of trading for Martin has nothing to do with loading up for a trade for a starter in which case Montero would need to be freed up for a trade.

    But go ahead…you keep laughing.

  203. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 9:17 am

    austinmac December 3rd, 2010 at 9:06 am
    I wonder if the Martin trade talk suggest that the Yankees still do question Montero’s ability to catch regularly +/or he is still a trade possibility. It seems to me one or both is likely.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If Martin could walk without a limp. he’d be a better backup option than Cervelli, but hardly the future. The young catcher that needs to think about getting traded is Romine. Montero’s bat has every indication of more than making up for any perceived catching deficiencies. He only needs to be average the first year and improve. Wynegar and Michael seen to be pretty impressed with his developpment, as does Posada.

  204. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 8:57 am
    That alleged deal for Russell Martin would’ve freed up Montero for a trade. At least we know the Dodgers like Cervelli.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Does that ring a bell?

  205. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 9:22 am

    GreenBeret,

    Holy smokes you’re dense.

    Your whole life, when people have quit talking with you…it’s not because you’re winning arguments with them…it’s because you’re dense and it’s not worth trying to explain.

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