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Russell Martin jumps onto the Yankees radar

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ph_431145Having just hit the open market as a non-tender free agent, catcher Russell Martin is the newest name on the Yankees radar.

Late last night — or very early this morning — Michael Schmidt of the Times reported that the Yankees nearly traded for Martin before the non-tender deadline. The Yankees tried to send Francisco Cervelli to the Dodgers, but the deal fell through. Now Ken Rosenthal says the Yankees are among the teams talking to Martin’s agent.

UPDATE: Schmidt says it was the Dodgers who proposed a Cervelli-for-Martin swap, and the Yankees who balked at making the trade.

Clearly, the Yankees like the idea of upgrading their bits-and-pieces situation behind the plate. They could add Martin to a group that already includes the aging Jorge Posada, the inexperienced Jesus Montero and the limited Cervelli.

Martin is far from a perfect solution behind the plate, but the Yankees don’t need a perfect solution. They just need another piece to make the picture a little better.

The bad: Hampered by a bad hip, it’s been two years since Martin was an especially productive hitter. The past two seasons he’s hit a very Cervelli-like .249/.350/.330. Even after a bad 2009, he still cost the Dodgers a little more than $5 million last year, so he’s not a contract you can overlook. He’s going to cost real money.

The good: The Yankees don’t need Martin to catch everyday. They can add him to their stable of misfit toys behind the plate, limiting the injury concern while adding a young but experienced option. Obviously the offensive upside is significant. For a while there, Martin seemed to be developing into one of the best hitting catchers in the game.

 
 

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159 Responses to “Russell Martin jumps onto the Yankees radar”

  1. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Will be interesting to see what the Yankees do with Cervelli or Montero if Martin signs. Most likely only room for 2 of the 3 along with Posada. I guess they could start Montero in AAA.

  2. hardwired7 December 3rd, 2010 at 11:56 am

    is the stable of misfits anything like the Island of Misfit Toys?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SH1j1luFOw

  3. ac1 December 3rd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    The only way Montero starts the year in AAA is if he bombs in spring training.

  4. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    I have faith in the Yankee medical staff to evaluate Martin. If they give a green light, this is one to take a flyer on IMO. The upside is potentially substantial, if healthy and given the change of scenery.

  5. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Martin jumped on the Yankee radar, broke his other hip and fell off.

  6. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    hardwired7 December 3rd, 2010 at 11:56 am
    is the stable of misfits anything like the Island of Misfit Toys?

    *****************************

    :lol:

    I love the Island of Misfit Toys!!

  7. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    However, Romine will be in AAA so I’m not sure they want Montero there.

    So maybe having Martin with Cervelli/Montero + Posada means one of Cervelli/Montero is available via trade should a need present itself.

  8. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 11:59 am

    I can’t see anybody wasting a roster spot on him. A minor league contract and ST invite, perhaps.

  9. Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    I would pass on martin.
    Since he hits just as well or poorly as Cervelli, where is the upgrade there? The Yankees staff enjoy throwing to Cervelli, so despite the lack of bat, Cervelli does a fine job calling games/receiving games/defensively.

  10. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    In 2010, Martin’s numbers continued to regress as he hit .248 with 5 home runs and 26 RBI in 97 games. In August, Martin suffered a torn labrum in his right hip when he was trying to avoid a tag at home plate in a game against the Padres. The injury kept him sidelined for the rest of the season.[18]

    Due to his uncertain recovery from injury and declining production, the Dodgers did not tender Martin a contract for 2011 and allowed him to become a Free Agent

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Then, there’s this pie-in-the-sky article out of Boston…who oddly enough passed on Martin, although, they have nobody to keep pitches from rolling to the backstop.

    http://www.overthemonster.com/…..ng-catcher

  11. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    ray,

    You are misinterpreting Wave’s comments about ‘class.’ And I haven’t said a word about class.

    Jorge has nothing to do with this. This is more praise of Mo than anything else.

    As in maybe Mo should have been the ‘face’ of the Yankees all these years.

  12. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    I do not think Posada is going to catch that much next season. If at all.

  13. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    GB

    The Yankees have a little experience with maintenance on hip labrum issues.

    Maybe the practice on an infielder and pitcher can be benficial to taking a chance on a catcher at the right price.

  14. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Bret -

    I think it’s pretty clear that if the Yankees sign Martin that Cervelli’s career in pinstripes is over.

    Also – if they can convince him to sign here – it completely changes the dynamic.

    Whereas the original thought was that Jorge would get about 60 games; Montero about 80 and Cervelli the rest…now it would be Montero about 90, Martin about 50 and Posada maybe a game here or there.

  15. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    “I can’t see anybody wasting a roster spot on him. A minor league contract and ST invite, perhaps.”

    —————————

    6 teams have already contacted his agent.

    The quality of talent at catcher is awful.

    I would never absolutely no way, but it is close that, of him having to settle of a mL contract.

  16. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Rivera’s in a ‘class’ all by himself.

  17. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    You don’t buy speed players with bad hamstrings.

    You don’t buy pitchers with bad shoulders/elbows.

    You don’t buy catchers with bad knees/hips.

    There is literally no reason to look at Martin. The Yankee’s are blocked up as it is at the catcher position. They can’t afford for Romine to waste away in AA, so they can’t afford for Montero to waste away in AAA. One of them has to be on the ML roster.

  18. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Guys – some of you really need to take off the pinstripe colored glasses.

    Russ Martin is much better than Cervelli and, as Chad correctly points out, at 27 there is still upside in Martin if he’s healthy.

    Cervelli’s an average backup at his very best.

  19. raymagnetic December 3rd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    “ray,

    You are misinterpreting Wave’s comments about ‘class.’ And I haven’t said a word about class.

    Jorge has nothing to do with this. This is more praise of Mo than anything else.

    As in maybe Mo should have been the ‘face’ of the Yankees all these years.”

    First of all Wave wasn’t the one who started the whole class argument. Wave simply responded to a statement I made.

    Secondly, what does Jeter have to do with Mo? Why should Mo have been the face of the Yankees? Because he took less money from the team during free agency?

  20. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    ID,

    btw, from before I know I wasn’t involved in the discussion, but Law has written numerous times about Romine’s poor receiving skills.

  21. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    As long as Montero hits and if he’s only average defensively (certainly no worse than Posada/Cervelli combination was), he’ll catch about 100-110 games like NYYs have targeted him for, Posada would get maybe 40 or so with Cervelli picking up the rest of the starts along with late game innings.

  22. Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Chip-
    You and Chad may be correct about his age and suggestion that he has an upside, but to replace Cervelli, I am not sure about that.
    Like someone else mentioned, give him an invite to ST at the most.

  23. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    “and if he’s only average defensively”

    Well that’s the question, isn’t it?

  24. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    “Secondly, what does Jeter have to do with Mo?”

    Jeter is the face of the franchise

    “Why should Mo have been the face of the Yankees?”

    Bronx Jeers post at 11:10 is a good place to start.

    “Because he took less money from the team during free agency?”

    Sure, that’s one reason.

  25. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    You don’t buy speed players with bad hamstrings.

    You don’t buy pitchers with bad shoulders/elbows.

    You don’t buy catchers with bad knees/hips.

    There is literally no reason to look at Martin. The Yankee’s are blocked up as it is at the catcher position. They can’t afford for Romine to waste away in AA, so they can’t afford for Montero to waste away in AAA. One of them has to be on the ML roster.
    ————————–

    Martin’s not being viewed as an everyday catcher – he’s being viewed as a replacement to Cervelli behind Montero.

    The reason they are looking at him is in part for the “what if” factor.

    What if Montero can’t catch
    What if Romine doesn’t improve his catching skills
    Posada can’t go back behind the plate for a full season – his body won’t allow it
    Are you comfortable with Cervelli as your everday catcher – the Yankees sure aren’t or else they wouldn’t be exploring this

    If he’s healthy you’re bringing in a 27-year old catcher who was on the rise a couple of years ago on what I assume would be a low base contract. It’s all about insurance.

  26. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    I think Martin is an attractive player for a team like the Red Sox, who are in a position with Salty and Varitek to be able to take a flyer on a high risk/reward third catcher. The Yanks are overflowing with catchers – veterans right through prospects. Russ Martin seems like a solution to a problem they don’t have. If Montero doesn’t pan out, you want a guy like Cervelli available who at least is pretty resilient and calls a good game. What you don’t want is another question mark, particularly when there’s gonna be a tidy sum involved.

  27. Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Jeter is the face of the franchise. He has been for many, many years.
    Everybody knows how valuable Mo has been to the team and without Mo, I’m not sure if the Yankees would have won 5 WS titles since ’96.
    That being said, Mo is a closer. Jeter is the everyday SS and the face of the franchise.

    End of discussion!!

  28. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    Guys – some of you really need to take off the pinstripe colored glasses.

    Russ Martin is much better than Cervelli and, as Chad correctly points out, at 27 there is still upside in Martin if he’s healthy.

    Cervelli’s an average backup at his very best.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Those “pinstripe colored glasses” that you insist everyone’s wearing don’t hide broken hips. He walks with a limp, had a torn labrum and you think that he’s going to squat down 60-70 times a year? And play another 20-25 games at 3rd? Whatever you say, Tommy Lasorda, Jr.

  29. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    It’s almost as if some people are completely ignoring that the Yankees looked into trading for Martin last night.

    They have important issues to take care of!

    They didn’t do that just for kicks.

  30. Wave Your Hat December 3rd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    “Jeter is the everyday SS and the face of the franchise.”

    I have always thought the interlocking NY, the pinstripes and the stadium facade are the face of the franchise.

  31. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Boras is often accused of inflating his clients worth and value with hyperbole.

    On the 10 year anniversary of Alex’s Texas contract, Verducci looks back at the “Blue Book” Boras was handing out to sell Alex and to see how Boras’ 10 year projections held up for Alex and by comparison his projections on Derek and Nomar.

    Boras may have more substance mixed in with the sizzle than people like to give him. His projections proved to be pretty good.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....itter_feed

  32. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    JackCurryYES With Mariano back to Yanks, after @SI_JonHeyman reported Red Sox tried to steal him, I was reminded of this story.

    http://nyti.ms/geyTZ4

  33. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    Chip-
    You and Chad may be correct about his age and suggestion that he has an upside, but to replace Cervelli, I am not sure about that.
    Like someone else mentioned, give him an invite to ST at the most.

    ——————————

    Last year Cervelli and Martin both played about the same amount of time (Martin had 70 more at bats).

    Cervelli posted an OPS + of 88; Martin posted one of 89

    Cervelli threw out 14% of baserunners (9 of 64); Martin threw out 39% (27 of 70)

    The vast difference being that for much of the season offensively Cervelli played out of his mind and Martin wasn’t at 50%.

    If we assume Cervelli regresses back to what he is then that OPS+ of 88 could represent a high water mark for a catcher who doesn’t throw anyone out; on the flip side, if he’s healthy the OPS+ of 89 that Martin posted could be a career low for a good defensive catcher.

  34. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    pat, those numbers would have been even closer without the hip injury and games missed, especially in the stolen base category. He could have added close to 30-4- more steals to that total. The others would have been blown out of the water, except for hits/batting average. I assume he made his first $10 mil picking lottery numbers.

  35. Bring in the Goose December 3rd, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    I?m a little surprised at 2 years for Mo. It?s being painted as the Yankees blinking in the face of competing 3 years offers. I would?ve preferred 1 year and an incentive-based option year.

    The guy?s not human, I understand, but a 2 year commitment to a guy his age will bring further challenges, one of which is the potential for an in-season demotion to an 8th inning role, should his stuff suddenly become ineffective. Who knows ? it could happen.

    Reliance on that cutter demands he retain his velocity. Less velocity = less lateral movement.

  36. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    Guys – some of you really need to take off the pinstripe colored glasses.

    Russ Martin is much better than Cervelli and, as Chad correctly points out, at 27 there is still upside in Martin if he’s healthy.

    Cervelli’s an average backup at his very best.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Those “pinstripe colored glasses” that you insist everyone’s wearing don’t hide broken hips. He walks with a limp, had a torn labrum and you think that he’s going to squat down 60-70 times a year? And play another 20-25 games at 3rd? Whatever you say, Tommy Lasorda, Jr.

    —————————

    Says the man who thinks Rene Rivera is a serious option for the club.

  37. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    Chip-
    You and Chad may be correct about his age and suggestion that he has an upside, but to replace Cervelli, I am not sure about that.
    Like someone else mentioned, give him an invite to ST at the most.

    ——————————

    Last year Cervelli and Martin both played about the same amount of time (Martin had 70 more at bats).

    Cervelli posted an OPS + of 88; Martin posted one of 89

    Cervelli threw out 14% of baserunners (9 of 64); Martin threw out 39% (27 of 70)

    The vast difference being that for much of the season offensively Cervelli played out of his mind and Martin wasn’t at 50%.

    If we assume Cervelli regresses back to what he is then that OPS+ of 88 could represent a high water mark for a catcher who doesn’t throw anyone out; on the flip side, if he’s healthy the OPS+ of 89 that Martin posted could be a career low for a good defensive catcher.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    That was BEFORE he broke his hip and didn’t play again. THIS is now…not then.

  38. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Says the man who thinks Rene Rivera is a serious option for the club

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I’m either right or wrong. No big deal to me. He’s still a cheaper risk than Martin at this time, and probably safer.

  39. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Seriously. We’re not talking about a broken finger here, or even a broken arm. As Joe Biden would say, a broken hip on a catcher is a BFD.

  40. Bret The Hitman December 3rd, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    The reports are the Yankees tried to trade for Martin AND they’re still determined to negotiate with him because they’re currently talking with his agent.

    Think about that…

  41. Nick in SF December 3rd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Youk makes a good face of the Redsocks franchise, although I threw up a little in my thinking about it.

  42. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    “if he’s healthy the OPS+ of 89 that Martin posted could be a career low for a good defensive catcher.”

    Martin’s OPS+ of 85 is his career low. Which happened in 2009. So the last 2 years He’s OPS+’d 85 and 89. Plus his OPS+ in the second half of ’08 was 89. For the last 2 1/2 he’s been OPS+-ing at around 89.

  43. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Hell, even Pete Abe would have an easier time squatting down behind the plate than Martin….assuming there was catcher’s gear that size.

  44. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    You guys can point to the hip all you want…I don’t blame you.

    Here’s the thing though – the Yankees saw his medicals and are still interested in him. That tells me they don’t view it as a major concern. So I’m going to take their opinion over yours on it…no offense.

  45. Nick in SF December 3rd, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    …in my mouth, that is.

    :oops:

  46. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    Seriously. We’re not talking about a broken finger here, or even a broken arm. As Joe Biden would say, a broken hip on a catcher is a BFD.

    ————————

    As I said, the Yankees have seen his medical records and are still going after him…to them it can’t be that big a FD right?

  47. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Maybe the Yankees could sign Ryan Church to be the back-up cather.

  48. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Let me clarify: When Cash talked catchers, it sounded like he wanted insurance in case the young guys weren’t ready.

  49. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    jaysonst: The buzz is Russell Martin may have had a deal lined up to turn down more than $4M guaranteed from Dodgers + another $1M-plus in incentives

  50. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    Maybe the Yankees could sign Ryan Church to be the back-up cather
    —————————

    Ryan Church isn’t a cather (or a catcher)

    Now that you’ve made the obligatory “I have no argument to what you just said so I’m going to mock you” comment; what do you say about the fact that despite your concerns about Martin’s hip, the Yankees, who have actually seen his medical records, are still trying to sign the guy?

    Doesn’t it suggest to you that they don’t think his hip is a major issue?

  51. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Nick-

    :lol:

  52. austinmac December 3rd, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Chip,

    I read the Yankees stopped the trade talk because the Dodgers didn’t let them see the medical. What makes you think they have seen it now? I doubt there has been time since the non-tender. I suspect they are interested in reviewing his medicals before proceeding further.

  53. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    If not Church, perhaps they can convert Lastings Milledge to catcher. He’s used to chasing baseballs to the fences.

  54. SJ44 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    The Yankees didn’t see his medicals.

    MLBTR has that part of the story incorrect.

    Any trade for him was pending medicals.

    Any team dealing with him now will be able to give him a physical prior to signing him.

    Guessing he will end up in either NY or Toronto.

  55. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Ryan Church isn’t a cather (or a catcher)

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You’ve reduced yourself to correcting my spelling? That’s pretty sad.

    I gave you plenty of reasons why Martin is no answer under a ML contract. He’s not worth the roster spot or the money until he stops limping.

  56. raymagnetic December 3rd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    LGY,

    It’s ludicrous to say that Mo’s contract is somehow a reflection on Jeter.

    Mo doesn’t have anything to do with Jeter.

  57. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Chip this is a team that presumably skimmed Nick Johnson’s medical records before signing him. What can you say?

  58. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    SJ, are the Yankees planing to catch Posada much next year?

  59. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Skimming Nick Johnson’s medical record? It would take less time to read Grey’s Anatomy cover to cover.

  60. SJ44 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Tom,

    As little as they can.

    How many games? I don’t think there is a set number.

    That’s going to depend on how the catching position shakes out.

    In a perfect world though, they would prefer he be their fullltime DH.

  61. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    :lol:

    RiverAveBlues RT @mikeaxisa: This is our GM http://bit.ly/hmvUOs

  62. Mike in Harrisburg December 3rd, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    It’s certainly not something that lends a whole lot of confidence to the front office’s ability to make those kinds of judgments. Giving them the benefit of the doubt I can only guess that with their financial resources they feel they can take more of those kinds of risks than other teams.

  63. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    “It’s ludicrous to say that Mo’s contract is somehow a reflection on Jeter.”

    ——————————–

    Heh.

    Looks like I was right from the beginning. No matter how I rephrase it, you will twist it to fit your narrative at the extreme.

  64. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    Skimming Nick Johnson?s medical record? It would take less time to read Grey?s Anatomy cover to cover.

    ***********************************

    LOL

  65. Patrick from CT December 3rd, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Russel Martin was better than Cervelli until he got hurt. I’d rather have a healthy guy in Cervelli at this point in time.
    I don’t think the Yankees should use a spot on the 40 man for Martin unless Jesus is starting in AAA.
    I think the Yankees have bigger issues to deal with first before trying to replace Cervelli and the 40-50 games he going to play in.
    Tell you what, If Georgie needs to get behind the plate for 70-80 games, the Yankees will be just fine.

  66. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Joba_62 Baseball lost another member of it’s amazing family. RIP Mr. Ron Santo

  67. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    WOW what is with cashman’s hair? Holy crap that is hysterical.

  68. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    SJ, Thanks.

    That’s what I was assuming. It’s also why they are going after a veteren catcher like Martin to provide insurance. Because I don’t think that they would be in on him if they planned on catching Posada a lot next year.

  69. raymagnetic December 3rd, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    “Classy” Mariano Rivera from 2007 when he was last a free agent. :( I can’t believe that the true face of the Yankees could have wanted more money and more years last time he was a free agent.

    “Having seen the Yankees hand out a four-year contract to Jorge Posada and a 10-year deal to Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera has apparently decided that three years are not enough for him.

    According to sources, the All-Star closer is now demanding a fourth year from the Yankees, who have already extended a three-year, $45 million offer to Rivera that would make him by far the highest-paid closer in baseball.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z174Xyxlm0

  70. Mike Ri December 3rd, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Erin -

    Cashman looks cool in the picture !! ..

  71. Mike Ri December 3rd, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Cashman looks like a wanna be rock star !!

  72. Bronx Jeers December 3rd, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    # Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    :lol:

    RiverAveBlues RT @mikeaxisa: This is our GM http://bit.ly/hmvUOs

    —————————————————————————————-

    And now that’ll be my desktop background for a few days.

    I love his hair, the bandanna and the shearling coat.

  73. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Not sure if anybody saw the notice/report that for Yankee pitcher Tom Underwood passed away on 23 November from pancreatic cancer. He was just 56. His one full season with the Yanks was 1980 with a 13-9 record and a .366 ERA. He was a solid pitcher for most of his career.

  74. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    LGY – thanks for the reference.

  75. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Mike Ri December 3rd, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    Cashman looks like a wanna be rock star !!

    *************************
    That’s exactly what I thought! LOL

  76. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    “WOW what is with cashman?s hair? ”

    It’s a wig.

  77. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Bronx Jeers December 3rd, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    And now that?ll be my desktop background for a few days.

    I love his hair, the bandanna and the shearling coat.

    ***********************************
    It’s a good look for him. ;)

  78. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    I can’t believe that the true face of the Yankees could have wanted more money and more years last time he was a free agent.

    *****

    I really have no idea if this is directed at me because your posts have become a jumble of strawmen arguments, but

    As said from the beginning actions speak louder than words.

  79. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Erin,

    Thanks for the link……I was really hoping more for a will ferrell elf-like costume though I must admit…..that’s still pretty funny.

    Depending on the price and his hip….Martin would be an ok risk to me….maybe a change of scenery would do him good.

  80. Yogi Mantle December 3rd, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Wasn’t it reported that Cashman’s kids spiked up his hair for this? That just might explain his hair looking at it does.

  81. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    Erin,

    Thanks for the link??I was really hoping more for a will ferrell elf-like costume though I must admit?..that?s still pretty funny.

    ************************
    Blake-as far as I know today was just the practice run. I think he’ll have an elf costume on Sunday (or is it Saturday?)

  82. raymagnetic December 3rd, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    “I really have no idea if this is directed at me because your posts have become a jumble of strawmen arguments, but

    As said from the beginning actions speak louder than words.”

    LGY,

    It’s just an argument that you can not win. That’s all. Stick to debating about numbers. It’s what you’re good at.

  83. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Erin, did you copy a photo of Nicholas Cage by mistake?

  84. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    ID

    FWIW Law has generally always been down on Romine compared to most others of these national outlets.

  85. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Erin,

    Oh that’s right…can’t wait for the real thing. :)

  86. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    Erin, did you copy a photo of Nicholas Cage by mistake?

    *****************************

    LOL :)

  87. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    “Wearing a bandana and a wig with feathered blond bangs, Cashman talked to a few reporters at the scene, where firefighters holding the cables and organizers cheered when he hit the ground.”

    http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com.....um=twitter

  88. Bronx Jeers December 3rd, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    # pat December 3rd, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    “WOW what is with cashman?s hair? ”

    It’s a wig.
    —————————————–

    Yeah I was kind of thinking that he didn’t even have that much hair in the first place.

  89. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    blake December 3rd, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    Erin,

    Oh that?s right?can?t wait for the real thing

    ********************************
    Me either! Should be a classic.

  90. LGY December 3rd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    It’s just an argument that you can not win

    *****

    Well duh ray. That is usually the idea when someone is busy knocking strawmen down left and right.

  91. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....on-tender/

    What do we (pretend to) know about Joel Peralta?

  92. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Actually, Cashman should have a blast rappelling that 22 stories. Coming down is a kick. It’s climbing a 6 story rappelling tower on the outside that’s tough. The tower starts out with the narrowest part at the bottom and goes out with each floor going up. You reach out to grab the floor and pull yourself up to the next. By the time you start on the 6th floor, you’re looking straight up, back parallel to the ground.

  93. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    According to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney, free agent catcher Russell Martin is hoping to play on the East Coast.

    Might the Yankee’s be showing the same interest as they are in Crawford, to ensure that someone has to pay more for the player? With Boston and Toronto needing catchers, it would make sense for the Yankees to at least try to drive up that price.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    “Classy” Mariano Rivera from 2007 when he was last a free agent. I can’t believe that the true face of the Yankees could have wanted more money and more years last time he was a free agent.

    Right, class is a term of convenience. Since when does “class” mean self-abnegation? In a negotiation between two parties? the spin doctors must think fans are as stupid as Lonn Trust thinks they are. Maybe Jeter should play for free and bring along some canned food while he’s at it, so Lonn and Levine will have something to put on the table at Christmas.

  95. Warning Track Power December 3rd, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    I realize that Montero needs to prove he can catch at the big league level and hit big league pitcher’s.
    ST 2010 is when the team and the fans will see him exceed or fail.
    None of us will have any clue until the ST 2011 season begins.

  96. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Erin/Blake, did you see the youtube clips from last year’s rappelling of the Landmark Building?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  97. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    In the blog the commenters come and go
    Talking of Mariano

  98. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    Erin/Blake, did you see the youtube clips from last year?s rappelling of the Landmark Building?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

    *********************************
    I haven’t-thanks for the link GB! Unfortunately, I can’t watch ’til I get home tonight since I’m at work at the moment. :(

  99. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Tom-very nice. :)

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    n the blog the commenters come and go
    Talking of Mariano

    In the blog the commenters come and go
    Talking of Mar-i-ah-ah-no
    (fixed. Clever btw :) )

  101. Irreverent Discourse December 3rd, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....ll-time-dh

    22 players in baseball history have managed to played 100 games at 3B or SS in a season when they were at least 38. Only twice have two players done it in the same season. How scary is it to think that the Yankees could be asking two players to do it for the same team in the same season(s)?

    Good stuff, well… not entirely good stuff for the Yankees…

  102. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    I’ve rapelled on a cliff but rapelling on a 22 story building seems scarier

  103. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    It should be great amusement to see how SF Giants juggle 6 2Bmen/SS/3Bmen into 3 spots. They’re looking to resign Renteria.

  104. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    Erin/Blake, did you see the youtube clips from last year?s rappelling of the Landmark Building?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

    *********************************
    I haven’t-thanks for the link GB! Unfortunately, I can’t watch ’til I get home tonight since I’m at work at the moment

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Gee, Erin. that’s too bad. I guess I’ll just make some popcorn and watch this over and over and over and……seeing this guy dangling and hanging around and…………..

  105. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    pat December 3rd, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    I’ve rapelled on a cliff but rapelling on a 22 story building seems scarier

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    how did you like it, pat? scraped knees and hands? I enjoyed that almost as much as parachuting. What a rush….at least after the first time when they have to push you out of the plane.

  106. john_halfz December 3rd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Chip:

    Though your fantasy trade prescriptions are often ludicrous, you’re pretty on it when it comes to individual player evaluation.

    Why are you wasting your time on this argument? Clearly, Martin is a fine, low-cost risk. And clearly, Cervelli is overrated by Yankee fans who don’t want to see his poor defense, poor arm, and power that extends barely to the outfield grass.

    GB7 will argue all day and night about anything and you’ll never change his mind. And he thinks that Rene Rivera might be a good idea. Because most age 26 signees from the Camden RiverSharks are on the fast track to the Bronx.

  107. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    austinmac

    To answer your question this is why I think the Yankees saw the medicals on Cervelli (from MLB Traderumors)

    The Yankees, who tried to trade for Russell Martin this week, are one of six teams interested in the 27-year-old free agent, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Michael S. Schmidt of the New York Times reports that the Yankees nearly sent Francisco Cervelli to the Dodgers for Martin (Twitter links). In fact, the Yankees and Dodgers even exchanged medical records on Wednesday.

    Though SJ says that part of the story is incorrect so I don’t know.

  108. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Gee, Erin. that?s too bad. I guess I?ll just make some popcorn and watch this over and over and over and??seeing this guy dangling and hanging around and????..

    *************************
    You’re such a sweetheart. ;)

    Save some of that popcorn for me!!

  109. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Gb,

    Can’t get the link to.load on my phone.but im sure its good ;)

  110. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Sure thing, Erin…butter and a little salt?

  111. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    If not Church, perhaps they can convert Lastings Milledge to catcher. He’s used to chasing baseballs to the fences.

    —————————

    Would be a pretty silly use of an OF.

    I know that in your world unless a player has some stats you can look up from time in Trenton or Scranton or Charleston they are useless to you; but do try to have an open mind from time to time.

    By the way – Lastings Milledge and Russ Martin would be a lot better on this team than your two targets: Jose Lopez and Rene Rivera.

  112. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Finally heading out for lunch. When I get back I fully expect to be reading about how both Mo and Jeter have re-signed. ;)

  113. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    Sure thing, Erin?butter and a little salt?

    ***************************
    sounds perfect!

  114. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Blake, it’s pretty good viewing. Not sure who the “elf” was last year. Remind me when you get home and I’ll relink it if you want.

  115. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    john_halfz December 3rd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
    Chip:

    Though your fantasy trade prescriptions are often ludicrous, you’re pretty on it when it comes to individual player evaluation.

    Why are you wasting your time on this argument? Clearly, Martin is a fine, low-cost risk. And clearly, Cervelli is overrated by Yankee fans who don’t want to see his poor defense, poor arm, and power that extends barely to the outfield grass.

    GB7 will argue all day and night about anything and you’ll never change his mind. And he thinks that Rene Rivera might be a good idea. Because most age 26 signees from the Camden RiverSharks are on the fast track to the Bronx.

    ——————————-

    What can I say; despite always being told that when you argue with a fool you invariably fall to their level I still enjoy it from time to time.

    Seriously though – I’m as big a Yankee fan as there is but there are guys on here that think our scrubs are better than legitimate players on other teams…to quote Casey Close “it’s baffling.”

  116. MoRings42 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Russell Martin?

    Are they smoking the same stuff that Jeter is?

    Just say NO.

  117. clownthrowindown December 3rd, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    GB7 doesn’t like ANYONE who isn’t a Yankee (until they become a Yankee) and mocks every signing that any other team does. Everytime.

    Pointless to try to debate the merits of any other player or any other team’s moves with him.

  118. Betsy December 3rd, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    What did Strawberry say? Is he knocking the Yankees now?

    As to Crawford, I don’t buy at all that they are involved – maybe on the periphery to annoy the Sox, but that’s it.

  119. MoRings42 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    If Martin is so much better.. why did the Dodgers propose the trade for our “scrub”?

    lol please.

  120. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    GordonEdes: Sox offered Rivera 2 years at $15 million apiece, according to a l source with direct knowledge of negotiations. Mo turned them down.

    GordonEdes : Source: If Boston Red Sox land Mariano Rivera, Jonathan Papelbon was out – ESPN Boston

  121. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    GB

    I hate heights so I was surprised I enjoyed it enough to do it more than once. I prefer to land in the planes I take off in though so sky diving is never happening.

  122. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Milledge is a known dog. He’s Manny Ramirez on defense. Haven’t you questioned why such a young and talented paler gets traded twice (3 teams) in 3 years and still nobody wants him? Is it just everyone not realizing that he’s just sensitive and misunderstood? Basically, he’s Elijah Dukes.

  123. Betsy December 3rd, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Cash doesn’t look much like an Elf there, lol

  124. blake December 3rd, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Red Sox master plan…..sign Rivera, force the Padres to accept Papelbum for Adrian Gonazalez…….foiled.

  125. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    pat December 3rd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    GB

    I hate heights so I was surprised I enjoyed it enough to do it more than once. I prefer to land in the planes I take off in though so sky diving is never happening.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I can understand the trepidation of that first jump. about 95% of us had to be pushed out by the jump master. Needless to say, we missed are jump targets by about 5 miles by the time we all hit the ground. Took all day to get us rounded up. All but one wanted to go back up.

  126. Betsy December 3rd, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    The Sox undoubtedly knew Mo wasn’t going anywhere, but they made the offer anyway to make their fans happy

  127. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    MoRings42 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    If Martin is so much better.. why did the Dodgers propose the trade for our “scrub”?

    lol please.

    ————————–

    Money

  128. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Money and the fact that he’s a cripple right now.

  129. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    Milledge is a known dog. He’s Manny Ramirez on defense. Haven’t you questioned why such a young and talented paler gets traded twice (3 teams) in 3 years and still nobody wants him? Is it just everyone not realizing that he’s just sensitive and misunderstood? Basically, he’s Elijah Dukes.

    ——————————–

    Well Dukes threatened to kill his GF so no, he’s not Dukes.

    And no, I’ve never questioned why he’s been traded. He’s not the Blue Chip talent that the teams that had him thought they were getting. I’m not asking him to be that – I’m asking him to be a 4th outfielder – a spare piece, an upgrade over Greg Golson or a younger version of Reed Johnson.

    The teams he was with – the Mets, Nats and Pirates didn’t have any veteran leadership to tell Milledge to sit down, shut up, and grow up. The Yankees have that in spades.

    The Yankees have never shied away from talented guys with questionable attitudes: Sheff, Johnson, Brown, Clemens…why should they start now?

  130. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    Money and the fact that he’s a cripple right now.

    ——————–

    yes doctor.

  131. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    “Red Sox master plan…..sign Rivera, force the Padres to accept Papelbum for Adrian Gonazalez…….foiled”

    They’d have non tendered Papelbon. The fact that they offered something similar to or less than what’s been bandied about in relationship to a deal with the Yankees would suggest they probably weren’t too terribly serious about it.

  132. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    “but they made the offer anyway to make their fans happy”

    Hope it was worth it because they made their closer insecure in the process.

  133. Mell December 3rd, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    “Money…”

    ….and two year of sucking.

  134. Betsy December 3rd, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12......html?_r=1

    STAMFORD, Conn. ? Brian Cashman?s workday began at 5:30 a.m. Friday when he arrived at the Landmark Building here wearing a skull-and-crossbones bandanna and a wig of spiky blond hair.
    ?It?s just my alter ego,? Cashman said. ?It helps me get into the mode. There?s a side of me that likes to have fun.?

  135. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Chad updated the Martian/Yanks trade talk:

    UPDATE: Schmidt says it was the Dodgers who proposed a Cervelli-for-Martin swap, and the Yankees who balked at making the trade.

  136. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    $800.000 appears to be the reason Martin was cut off. As the article says, if the Doggies thought he was good enogh to chance $5 mil on, $800,000 shouldn;t have meant a thing. The fact that he quite likely can’t play any time soon, would be the most logical reason.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/los-an.....ver-800000

  137. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 3rd, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    I’d pass on Martin. We don’t need two guys with bad hips on the team.

  138. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Also:

    “The Dodgers and the Yankees went so far as to exchange medical files on Martin, but the Yankees had too many concerns about Martin’s health and told the Dodgers they would not go ahead with the trade.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12......html?_r=1

  139. Nick in SF December 3rd, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Beware Martians seeking contracts.

  140. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    They come in peace…

  141. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Or in this case pieces.

  142. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Like I said, Martin is worth a minor league contract and a ST invite with no promises. That’s his value.

  143. Nick in SF December 3rd, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Wait a second, that book randy was talking about, “To Serve Cashman”… is a cookbook???? :shock:

  144. Tom in N.J. December 3rd, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    :shock:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI

  145. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Nobody wants, Martin, Church or Milledge except for one person. Maybe he needs them to wash his luxury cars and mow the grass on his estate.

  146. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Heyman on Francesa in a couple of minutes talking Jeter, Lee and Crawford.

  147. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    Nobody wants, Martin, Church or Milledge except for one person. Maybe he needs them to wash his luxury cars and mow the grass on his estate.

    ——————–

    Actually I don’t think you could find a single post where I have advocated for signing Ryan Church this year.

    Milledge – absolutely

    Martin – if the money’s right – absolutely.

    And I would still put the logic of those two leaps and bounds ahead of anything you can give me as to why Jose Lopez and Rene Rivera should be wearing pinstripes.

    But I’ll tell you what old timer. I’ll give you a break since you’re old and I was told to respect my elders and quite frankly I do respect the fact that someone as ancient as yourself can do more with a computer than just drool on the keyboard.

  148. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    Nobody wants, Martin, Church or Milledge except for one person. Maybe he needs them to wash his luxury cars and mow the grass on his estate.

    ——————-

    By the way – did you just try to insult me by calling me rich? If so, I don’t really get it, am I supposed to be offended or say thanks?

  149. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Loved that “TZ” episode. I just bought the 5 years of the DVDs for it. Great viewing. Right there with “The Time Tunnel”.

  150. MoRings42 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Money?

    So over 5 million dollars, they were feeling generous to us because of the Torre/Mattingly connection that they wanted to offer their former all star for our “scrub” back up catcher, straight up just to save 4.5 million.

    If it’s all about the money, I’m sure we can find a scrub for Andre Either.. He’s making over 5 million and I’m sure that’s a burden on them.

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    STAMFORD, Conn. ? Brian Cashman?s workday began at 5:30 a.m. Friday when he arrived at the Landmark Building here wearing a skull-and-crossbones bandanna and a wig of spiky blond hair.
    ?It?s just my alter ego,? Cashman said. ?It helps me get into the mode. There?s a side of me that likes to have fun.?

    Interesting timing. The gentler, goofier side of Brian Cashman. Who knew?

  152. pat December 3rd, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    SI_JonHeyman barajas near deal w/ #dodgers, who tried on a few catchers and finished 2nd on pierzynski (back with #chisox for $8 mil, 2 yrs)

  153. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    He needs to get in the “gentler, goofier” mode. He’s about to have to go up against the likes of Bill Smith and Jack Zduriencik. That will make you goofier or a drunk.

  154. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Heyman has been doing a superb job this winter.

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock December 3rd, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    I sure hope he was drunk when he offered Montero for two months of Lee.

  156. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    I’m surprised that Pierzynski went that cheap. He’s got issues, but that’s cheap even for a bad catcher.

  157. Erin December 3rd, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    New Post: Cashman?s alter ego makes it 22 stories and tells the tale

    :arrow:

  158. Chip December 3rd, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    Heyman has been doing a superb job this winter.

    —————————

    A superb job of reporting news after it happens – yup

    A superb job of predicting what’s going to happen – not so much.

  159. West Coast Yankee Fan December 3rd, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    I disagree Chip. I am listening to him right now, he has an encyclopedic memory and knows every team’s needs inside and out, and he’s well connected with scores of sources. I realize it’s fun internet fodder to slam writers.


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