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Baseball execs land in Orlando, Werth lands in D.C.

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 05, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Didn’t take long for the Winter Meetings to have its first big story.

Just as the baseball universe is settling into the Swan & Dolphin resort, Jayson Werth has agreed to a seven-year deal with the Nationals. That leaves Carl Crawford as the premier free agent outfielder. With Werth no longer a secondary option for teams in the Crawford hunt, Crawford’s stock might have improved.

Adrian Beltre’s stock might also have gone up, because the Red Sox are suddenly back in play after their Adrian Gonzalez trade fell through.

I’ve officially checked in, collected by credential and now I’m off to stand around in a lobby that has a massive Christmas tree in the middle.

And because I know you’re curious, here’s an AP photo taken today of Brian Cashman practicing for today’s Heights and Lights main event in Stamford. It apparently went well, and Cashman should be here later tonight.

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266 Responses to “Baseball execs land in Orlando, Werth lands in D.C.”

  1. Carl December 5th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Theo can’t get a deal done.

    All the while Cashman is repelling down a building.

    Just hilarious.

  2. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    The Nats are going to go after Lee big time and they may get him. The Yankees won’t give him 7 years (no team should), but if it’s true that he will go to any team that ponies up the most $$, then I can see him landing in DC. They are not that far away from being a good team, although they aren’t that close to being a WS type team. Does Lee, in his 30′s, want to spend the next few years on a team that’s trying to win period instead of winning a title?

  3. G. Love December 5th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Stay away from Crawford now. The dollars and years are way to high to justify signing him. He’ll get 8 and 160 at this point if not more.

    I wonder if the Nats get vilified like the Yankees always do for the Werth deal?

    Talk about setting the market for a 31 year old player. Gadzooks!

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    repost:

    Hi GB, SAS, et. al.

    SAS, I was sad for the Nats when Dunn left but happy for them that they have Werth. They have a nice core of young and talented pitchers, some really nice defense, and hitting that isn’t totally shoddy. So I hope that Werth adds nice dimension for them.

    I think it is an absolute riot that the Sux are getting hosed again – or letting themselves get hosed. Man alive they are dumb as stumps. It started with Victor Martinez and just keeps on going. RSN has been a little oppressive the last day or so because they thought they were getting Gonzalez – it sure looked like they were – and they also thought they might be getting Werth. I cannot WAIT to listen tomorrow. Oh my God, it is going to be funereal.

    I’m loving it!

    ***************

    I bow to thee Nats. I BOW to thee!!!

  5. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    CB, that may be true, but the Yankees should be concerned about Gardner’s wrist. Who’s to say that the surgery will be a success? He could have ongoing wrist issues like Nick Johnson.

  6. CB December 5th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    For several weeks now, many yankees fans have been bashing Cashman and Hal over the Jeter negotiations calling the team “cheap,” “disrespectful”

    They should just take a look at what’s going on in Boston and rethink things a bit.

  7. Bret The Hitman December 5th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    You can’t put a price on premium talent according to some Bill James WAR calculation. When a team wants a player, especially the Yankees, you overpay. If you’re the Sox, you miss out on guys like Werth and AGON. If you’re the Yankees, you get Tex, Sabathia, Lee and Crawford.

  8. Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    I hope no one tells Cashman what Werth signed for while he is repelling – he might lose his grip from shock and bewilderment.

  9. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Only the Yankees get killed for these types of deals. The Cards completely bid against themselves for Holliday and the Nats just blew everyone out of the water. Hypocrites, that’s what the mediots aer.

  10. Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Why are the Sox even in on Adrian Gonzales – I thought Lars Anderson was a generational firstbase prospect – at least that is what Gammons, Callis, and Law have said in the past. (sarcasm added for emphasis)

  11. Bret The Hitman December 5th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    The Yankees will have Lee through his age 39 season.

    7 years for Lee.

    I called this a long time ago, you can look it up.

    I wonder if the Nats will go that far for Lee.

  12. CB December 5th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    “Stay away from Crawford now. The dollars and years are way to high to justify signing him. He’ll get 8 and 160 at this point if not more.”

    Crawford is going to make very little sense this winter given the talent the yankees already have.

    I understand why they didn’t sign Holliday, but last winter I really did have the feeling that he was a guy they should seriously consider signing.

    Crawford is going to be wildly over paid.

  13. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Cliff Lee may very well get seven years.

  14. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    The worth of the Werth contract will “baffle” Cashman.

  15. Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Besty – I think the reason why the Yanks get killed in the media is because we have multiple type of Werth contracts on the payroll. JMO

  16. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    The Yankees are not giving Lee 7 years

  17. ac1 December 5th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    it isnt a guarantee that Lee gets 7 years. i still say 6/138….

  18. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Yes, probably from the Nats…….and if Lee doesn’t mind waiting for a few years while they develop into a good team, then good for him. We need him badly, but not that badly.

  19. Unnamedsource December 5th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Chad forgot to mention that Baseball America is reporting that Jose Gil has signed a contract to return to the Yankee organization for his eighth year in 2011. I knew that Jeter and Rivera were waiting for something to fall into place before coming to terms! Of course, the downside is that now Yankee fans have to worry whether Gil will make it through the Rule 5 draft on Thursday. Will the long organizational nightmare ever end?

  20. Carl December 5th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    6 144

  21. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    If it takes seven years to get Lee and I am the Yankees I do it. They have no good backup plan. If that means Lee is broken down for two years and they have to eat the money, so what. They are the Yankees. They can do that and other teams can’t. That’s why they are ok overpaying.

  22. ac1 December 5th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    you are all trying to compare a pitcher and an outfielder. just because werth got 7 doesnt mean lee will too, unless he wants to play for a crap team that will overpay, but i think he wants to play for a winner who will also pay him.

  23. Joe from Long Island December 5th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Betsy – Hi, hope you’re well tonight.

    I agree, the Nats could make things interesting with Lee. But, again, does he want to spend his time on a club striving to be relevant? And, nobody beats the Yanks with dollars. All the Nats can do, IMO, is drive up the price a bit.

    And, CB is right about Boston. They do take the sabermetric and linear analysis all-players-are fungible thing a bit too far, and by doing so disrespect players (unintentional though it might be; I’ll grant them the benefit of the doubt, though Lucchino’s rep is not good there. May be worse than Hank comparing players to horses.)

  24. CB December 5th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Pitchers and hitters carry very different risks. The length and value of Werth’s contract isn’t going to map directly to Lee’s deal.

    The model for Lee is still set by CC’s deal with mitigation over how much Lee’s age impacts the length of the deal.

    It’s far easier for teams to offer a ludicrous deal to a position player than a pitcher because the position player carries far less risk for injury.

  25. Fran the original December 5th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    That Werth signing came out of nowhere. And isn’t it unusual for Boras to sign so quickly.

    The Nats probably will be in on Lee. Of course I want him on the Yankees, but if not then I hope he goes to the National League.

  26. ac1 December 5th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    if the yankees dont get lee, cash will make something else happen.

  27. Mell December 5th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    “Only the Yankees get killed for these types of deals”

    Think the Yankees will be doing some of the killing this time. Their price for Lee probably just climbed.

    Olney is saying GM’s are going scooters over the terms of this one.

  28. Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Yankees only go seven IF and this is a big IF (1) Rangers go six AND (2) the lieutenants to Cashman like Eppler look Cashman in the eye and say you have to go to Hal – we have to have him. I think the money is there – the deferred contracts of Jeter and Mo – plus Jeter taking a pay cut – Yanks can go 24 and 25 and 26 million now and still live within the 200-210 million dollar budget – just a matter of how bad they want Lee at this point. Really comes down to whether the Rangers have the stomach to go six years and escalate this.

  29. SAS December 5th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    I like our outfield so I would not be the least bit unhappy if we didn’t go after Crawford. It is Lee we need, and I hope Cash addresses this need immediately. By the way, if we trade Swish, we have lost some number of HR’s.

  30. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Lee’s got nothing to do with Werth. I’m just saying if the Nats go six for Lee and you have to go seven to get him, I’m doing that.

  31. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Hi Joe

    Doing fine, thanks – and you?

    If the source that told Marchand that Lee will go to the Nats (they used them as an example) if they offer just $1 more than, say, the Yanks, is correct, he’ll go there. Let them have him…….I like the guy and I would love to have him, but if he wants an extra year and $$ that badly, that he’s willing to deal with not winning for a few years, then he’s not a guy I want on my team.

  32. ac1 December 5th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    the only person whose price went up today is crawford.

  33. Bret The Hitman December 5th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Nats will probably offer Lee 25 million per year for 7 years.

  34. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    I mean, if it means the Yankees have to find other alternatives or they struggle, so be it. I’m barely ok with 6 – 7 is intolerable.

  35. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Fran, Boras is no fool. He knew that deal had to be signed before Rizzo came out of his hypnotic coma.

  36. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    I agree about the 7 years, for any team, but the Nats may feel that they need to do something big time……..and I suspect they will

  37. LGY December 5th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Olney:

    # Last contract that generated this kind of vitriol was Kevin brown deal 21 minutes ago via Mobile Web from Bay Lake, Bay Lake

    # The Werth contract has had an impact of an 8.0 earthquake. Rival gms, execs are going nuts about the terms. 26 minutes ago via Mobile Web from Bay Lake, Bay Lake

    # Of gonzalez’s contract demands. The werth contract has stunned people in the game, because of it’s magnitude 32 minutes ago via Mobile Web from Bay Lake, Bay Lake

    # Werth terms of seven years is enormous for Carl Crawford, who figures to get even more. Wonder if this will change boston’s view (more) 42 minutes ago via Mobile Web from Southwest Orange, FL

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    GB, SAS, Big AL, and Kate – thank you for thinking about me. Fran emailed me and told me you were asking after me and I so appreciate that.

    I have been out of the loop on a lot of stuff going on but Brian (Red Sox Fan) manages to keep me posted when we walk. He loves to take shots at the Yanks – it’s okay, I do the same to him back – but he’s kept me up to date on Jeter and he emailed me this morning all agog about A-totally-gone and he was so excited thinking about the possibility of having A-Gon AND Werth. He just emailed me to tell me A-Gon fell through. That’s why I came on line. I feel so good when I can share happy moments with my friends.

    Please take good care. My friends (you know who you are… :) ) are always with me.

    I’ll be checking in.

  39. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Betsy don’t you want the Yankees to put the best team on the field as a fan? Why does the money matter to you? The Yankees don’t have the starting pitching options to compete in the AL East as things stand right now.

  40. Fran the original December 5th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    GB,

    I knew there was a reason for a Boras client to sign so quickly :)

  41. Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Nick Swisher has turned in 2 season in Yankee Pinstripes that maybe considered his best seasons ever….With that in mind can his market value ever be higher especially after Werth signing ???? I’d love to get Upton some how, but the Yanks could be willing to move on Crawford and move Nick…….The salary difference would only be about 10 million …..Mr. Upton would be the way to go of course

  42. LGY December 5th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    I bet the Nationals don’t offer more than 5 years for Lee.

  43. DocTodd December 5th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    In my opinion,I think the Nats know the Yankees are all in on Lee, and rather than bid on him and lose out,they decided to go another route and sign Werth….

  44. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    This is why players hire Boras.

  45. Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Hi Tricia…..

  46. michaels07 December 5th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    I guess Brian is not afraid of Heights. The Yankees shoud just concentrate on Pitching.Lee is the way to go.

  47. LGY December 5th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    IMO, the Nationals will make an aggressive 5 year offer that is more than the Rangers 5 year offer.

    The Yankees will then come in and offer 6 and that is endgame.

  48. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    WC, I’m not giving him 7 years……..

  49. Bret The Hitman December 5th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    Nick Swisher has turned in 2 season in Yankee Pinstripes that maybe considered his best seasons ever….With that in mind can his market value ever be higher especially after Werth signing ???? I’d love to get Upton some how, but the Yanks could be willing to move on Crawford and move Nick…….The salary difference would only be about 10 million …..Mr. Upton would be the way to go of course
    ***************

    I’m with you Pat M.

    Upton over Swish.

    Sell high on Swish.

    Sign Crawford.

    Make Gardner the 4th OF for now.

  50. Joe from Long Island December 5th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Betsy – we’re doing well, thanks. The only fly in the ointment right now is trying to finish off our bathroom renovation project. What a headache. But the important stuff – health and all – is good, thanks.

    I think Lee will also consider the Yanks winning ways, CC, and the little things that the Yanks do. I read somewhere that each year they give players new leather luggage, and are the only team to do that. If true, yeah it’s relatively trivial, but a nice touch that can go a way. Bobby Murcer always said that the team goes first class. That stuff may make a difference. Who knows. Just keep some of the fans away from Mrs. Lee :)

    Also, I think that SJ brought up a good point a while back, that teams like Texas (and Nats, I think) are more loath to do long term deals, because if it backfires then it really hamstrings that team for years. Much less so with the Yankees because of their financial resources.

    Crawford and Beltre, and their respective agents, must be smiling tonight.

  51. Bret The Hitman December 5th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Nats contract to Werth possibly a statement to the Lee camp.

    Nats are serious.

    Too serious.

    :lol:

  52. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    LGY, disagree. When Rizzo says aggressive, I think he means AGGRESSIVE. I don’t know much about him, but I’m guessing he doesn’t care how many rumblings he causes. He wants Lee and will do whatever he can to get him. I think Lee could very well end up in DC

  53. MaineYankee December 5th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    CB

    Don’t you think the Yankees need to be carefull not to over pay Lee so CC decides to use his opt out.

  54. CB December 5th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    “.Mr. Upton would be the way to go of course”

    Pat M.-

    At this point, I think the yankees either try to get a player like Upton and trade an outfielder or they stick with what they have.

    I do think they are going to try to improve their line up.

    I just don’t think Crawford is going to make any sense in this market anymore.

    You either try to target someone like Upton or you stand pat.

    In many ways the status quo favors the yankees. Tampa is going to take a huge step back. Boston is a mess.

    If players get extremely expensive and go elsewhere besides the AL East the yankees will benefit greatly.

    Right now they are by far the best team in the AL East and there aren’t many difference makers left at the price Boston wants to pay or Tampa can afford.

    And if I’m Gonzalez right now, I am absolutely looking for 8yrs/ 200M.

  55. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Also, why should the Yankees have to outbid everyone else by another year? If the Rangers off Lee 5, let them offer 5………….

  56. Carl December 5th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Nats GM says Lee is a long shot.

    Lohud thinks Lee to the Nats is a lock.

    Oh Lohud.

  57. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    There’s almost no diiference in paying Lee through age 39 and paying Pettitte through age 39. Actually, Pettitte has been more of a risk, given his history of elbow trouble.

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Hi Pat M, my dearest friend.

  59. kd December 5th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    pat m,

    it’ll take a king’s ransom to trade for upton. hughes, montrero, two of the killer b’s.

    might not be worth it.

    let’s hope melky mesa morphs into the 24 year old alfonso soriano

  60. SAS December 5th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Trisha,

    Fran is the best…thoughtful and kind.

  61. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    I know you feel that way Betsy, but given that it isn’t your money, why would you not want Lee on the team if the Steinbrenners are willing to spend the bucks? I am sincerely trying to understand your thinking as a fan – not as an owner.

  62. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Joe, as long as you have a place to go to the bathroom, it’s all good. One time in our office (last year), the men’s and women’s bathrooms all got backed up. People had to carpool to the library to use the bathroom, lol.

    I don’t think Lee (or any player) cares about all that claptrap. I doubt Lee knows anything about how the Yankees treat their players or whatever – he wants the $$$$ (and the years),

  63. Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Betsy…Were you alright with The Yankees signing Mike Mussina in 2001 for 6 years ???

  64. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    I swore the Yanks made it clear to Andy that they needed a decision sooner than later this year. Is it wrong of me to surmise that because we have no decision yet, it could be the end for andy? Thinking being that if he says he isn’t coming back right now then everyone knows the yankees really need pitching…..lee knows it, KC knows it, etc. Maybe andy is doing them a favor by waiting?

  65. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    WC, 7 years is ridiculous. It’s not so much about the money……..I’m not giving any pitcher 7 years (and the money for the 7 years is ridiculous). I’m not a fan who gets upset when we spend, but that is a ludicrous committment for a 32 year old pitcher

  66. CB December 5th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    “Don’t you think the Yankees need to be carefull not to over pay Lee so CC decides to use his opt out.”

    It’s hard to know how that will factor in. I’m sure it’s part of their thinking in some way though I’m not sure to what degree.

    I do think however that the yankees aren’t going to be eager blow up the current market structure for free agent pitchers with Lee as they did with CC.

    Lee’s performance is equal that of CC’s but he’s 4 years older. If the yanks can get a deal done on roughly that scale then I think they’ll pursue it as aggressively as possible.

    I could see them going 6 years and 140-150M but I don’t think they’ll go past that regardless of what other teams do.

  67. Tom in N.J. December 5th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    “Red Sox were right to back out of Adrian Gonzalez trade”

    “Intelligent baseball clubs usually work cautiously and pay attention to all the details. The Sox employ some of the top minds in the game and were right to stay level-headed in negotiations. They’ll bring Gonzalez aboard next year and keep their farm system from being depleted.”

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......lez-trade/

  68. ac1 December 5th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    i dont understand why everyone is acting like werth’s deal has anything to do with cliff lee. a pitcher and outfielder are different and you cannot compare the contracts. more likely you compare lee to cc and santana.

  69. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Betsy – what about GB’s point:

    “There’s almost no diiference in paying Lee through age 39 and paying Pettitte through age 39. Actually, Pettitte has been more of a risk, given his history of elbow trouble”.

    If we don’t get Lee. What do you think we do about our rotation?

  70. Fran the original December 5th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    SAS,

    Thanks. Same to you. And you know I am keeping my fingers crossed for good news on your son.

  71. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    big drama for anyone who like golf.

    tiger may be back.

    just has to make a putt.

  72. Nick in SF December 5th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Betsy, the idea is that the Yankees want to sign Lee period, not just to an offer equal to one another team makes.

    Joe in Long Island, I’m guessing you did dine on hipster Moraccan food in Paris?

  73. LGY December 5th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    There are very few teams that could absorb the long term risk of offering a 32 year old year pitcher 6 or 7 years.

    Really, the Yankees may be the ONLY team in baseball that could carry that level of risk.

  74. ac1 December 5th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    yankees did not put any rush on andy pettitte to decide.

  75. Joe from Long Island December 5th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Just a thought, but if Boston doesn’t rebound somehow, and nail Gonzalez, then they will be fighting with Tampa, Toronto, and Baltimore for also-ran status.

    Boston has to hope that Beckett, Lackey, and DiceK have tremendous years, to make up for lack of offense. If they didn’t like paying for Gonzalez, how are they going to like what it’s going to take for Carl Crawford? And, they run the risk of becoming susceptible to lefty pitchers. (Yanks with CC, Lee, and Andy would be devastating for them, potentially.) Not a good situation for them today. Not at all.

  76. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    … except the other guy rolls in a long one.

    like i said, big drama.

  77. Carl December 5th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Yankees ended up giving Mussina 8 years.

  78. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    playoff !!!

  79. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Tom in N.J. December 5th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
    “Red Sox were right to back out of Adrian Gonzalez trade”

    “Intelligent baseball clubs usually work cautiously and pay attention to all the details.

    ***The Sox employ some of the top minds in the game and were right to stay level-headed in negotiations***

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    OK, Tom…I’m still waiting for the punchline.

  80. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Tom – its almost hilarious how regardless of what Boston does, the media spins it like it was smart. That article is pure gold. What a complete homer that tool author is.

  81. MaineYankee December 5th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    randy

    If Theo gets run out of Boston maybe Cashman will hire him. He could use some help knowing how to sign players on the cheap.

  82. CB December 5th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    “Red Sox were right to back out of Adrian Gonzalez trade”

    This is a great example of how it’s so much easier to talk about building something or running it than it is to actually do it.

    No one wins any rings for being the “smartest.”

    Doing deals involves risk. You can’t just keep sitting on the fence and waiting for all of the stars to align exactly as you see fit.

    Cashman and Hal absolutely understand this. That’s why they actually get deals done rather than wringing their hands about potential deals endlessly.

    And it’s impossible to know how much it’s going to cost to sign Gonzalez next winter. It very well could be 8/200.

  83. start_wearing_pink December 5th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    @Tricia how have you been after your brother’s passing?

  84. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    the Nationals sign Werth to 7/126 million. And now people on this site think they’re also going to land Cliff Lee?

    lol. that’s pretty funny

  85. SAS December 5th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Thanks so much Fran.

  86. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    just curious. any one know why washington can sign werth, but san diego can’t sign AG?

  87. Joe from Long Island December 5th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Nick – I’m very sad to say that we did not. Truthfully, we had so much that we wanted to do that we couldn’t do it all. Museums, Left Bank, great bistros and snooty fancy place (only one, fortunately) – We just decided that we’re going to have to go back.

    Actually, the best place we ate was a place called La Poule au Pot – or as my wife called it, Pol Pot. Great country food. They didn’t speak a word of English, so we were dependent on my almost 40-year old HS French. Our interaction with our waiter was a story by itself.

  88. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    the padres might want to remember that old axiom that you can’t sell from an empty wagon.

    why would anyone be a padres fan if they let someone like AG go?

  89. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Theo and the Red Sox offseason plan. You can see it coming together

    BAWAHHHHHHHH. BAWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. BAWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  90. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    MaineYankee December 5th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
    randy

    If Theo gets run out of Boston maybe Cashman will hire him. He could use some help knowing how to sign players on the cheap.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    And, he has his own gorilla suit. Think of the excitement that would cause next Christmas to see Theo climbing The Empire State Building…just like old times. Heidi Watley could play the Fay Ray part.

  91. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    ****Heidi Watney***

  92. Tar December 5th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    “why would anyone be a -padres- Red Sox fan if they let someone like AG go?”

    Fixed.

  93. 108 stitches December 5th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    The focus on Cliff Lee is of the highest priority with Cashman. I’d never wager against Cashman when his blue eyes zero in on a target.
    Andy can be a deal of principle over a phone. Cashman will huddle with Lee and his agent one on one and if need be, a phone call to Hal Steinbrenner for approval of what’s been done.

  94. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    “If Theo gets run out of Boston maybe Cashman will hire him. He could use some help knowing how to sign players on the cheap.”

    maine yankee-

    if that happens, i’m moving to argentina or somewhere that doesn’t follow baseball.

  95. Giuseppe Franco December 5th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    # vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    the Nationals sign Werth to 7/126 million. And now people on this site think they’re also going to land Cliff Lee?

    lol. that’s pretty funny

    ——

    Yeah, I’m not sure I get that myself. They already spent $126M on Werth and Lee is going to cost more than that.

    Not to mention, the Nats aren’t exactly yearly playoff contenders. No reason to go there unless he likes spending summers close to historical sites.

  96. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    how will Cashman ever top Epstein’s Adrian Gonzalez deal?

    With Steve Garrison.

  97. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
    “If Theo gets run out of Boston maybe Cashman will hire him. He could use some help knowing how to sign players on the cheap.”

    maine yankee-

    if that happens, i’m moving to argentina or ***somewhere that doesn’t follow baseball.***

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Another screw-up like this one and that place might be Boston.

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    SAS – when you praise Fran you are definitely preaching to the choir. She is absolute gold. :)

    start_wearing_pink – thank you for asking. It is a process. Holidays are tough of course but we have chosen to low key them this year and not put too much pressure on ourselves to be “jolly”. I basically take it minute by minute. I guess you could say that there are moments that suck less than others. But thank you for asking.

  99. Pops December 5th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    “There’s almost no diiference in paying Lee through age 39 and paying Pettitte through age 39. Actually, Pettitte has been more of a risk, given his history of elbow trouble.”
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Huh? With all due respect, this statement makes no sense. The Yankees would be risking about 10x the guaranteed money to give Lee 7 vs. giving Andy 1.

  100. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 5th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Why would Werth sign with the Nats? Is it really all about the money?

  101. NYY fan in NH December 5th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    If i’m the CWS, I am feeling good about that Dunn deal right now. 70 million difference for a guy who offensively might be below Adam Dunn.

  102. Tar December 5th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Trisha

    Nice to have you here. :D

  103. DocTodd December 5th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    The Yankees were all set to give up their best prospect,Montero,to get Lee in July….no way they miss out again,especially when it will only cost $..

  104. MaineYankee December 5th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    randy

    We can always hope. :lol:

  105. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    POPs, how long has NYY been paying Pettitte, jnowing that he has a bum elbow? He on;y had the one incentive contract.

  106. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    ***knowing***

  107. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    good to see you, Tricia

  108. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Graeme McDowell just made another amazing putt on the playoff hole to beat tiger.

    you don’t see a finish like that too often.

  109. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    *Trisha* (typo)

  110. raymagnetic December 5th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    “Why would Werth sign with the Nats? Is it really all about the money?”

    It’s always about the money.

  111. raymagnetic December 5th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Winning isn’t everything. It’s how much they pay you to play the game. :)

  112. Pops December 5th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    GB – Sure, but they’ve only been putting their money at risk one year at a time.

  113. RMS December 5th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Yankees will sign Lee. They need him and will do whatever it takes regarding $$$ and years to get him.

  114. 108 stitches December 5th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    ****Heidi Watney***

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    She’s proud of Jason for signing a $2M deal plus an incentive of $300,000 for a certain amount of games played. At the time, Theo thought Santa Claus came early this year.

  115. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
    Graeme McDowell just made another amazing putt on the playoff hole to beat tiger.

    you don’t see a finish like that too often

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You haven’t ever seen me on the links before. Ya’ll don’t know what you’re missing.

  116. RMS December 5th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    trisha

    Glad to see you back.
    My sincere condolences to you and your family.

  117. Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Tin Cup ( The Original Randy I )….Tiger coughs away a 5 stroke lead !!!! I still say the Yanks will have a different looking outfield next season……

  118. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Is Hideki Matsui headed for the big ball orchard in Oakland?

  119. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Oh my, AG is not a Boston Red Sox.

    Now where are all the people that said this was a done deal?

  120. start_wearing_pink December 5th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    @tricia glad to see you back your brother will always be with you, in everything you do.

  121. MaineYankee December 5th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Pat M

    I understand your desire for the Yankees to sign Crawford but I would be concerned about adding another long term contract.

  122. start_wearing_pink December 5th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    SUNDAY, 5:17pm: The Red Sox still have not given up on pulling off a deal for Gonzalez and there remains a chance that they could do a trade without agreeing to an extension, tweets Heyman.

    So, does that mean this trade from yesterday is officially dead?

    If the Red sox want to do another deal, I assume they would want to give up less if they “cant” sign him to an extension.

    Why would the Padres accept less?

  123. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    trisha -

    Great to see you back, I really missed you being here.

  124. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    “SUNDAY,5:17pm: The Red Sox still have not given up on pulling off a deal for Gonzalez and there remains a chance that they could do a trade without agreeing to an extension, tweets Heyman.” source mlbtr

    This seems like a very simple thing…..is the window closed, or is it not? If the window has closed, then isnt their only option to do a deal without an extension at this time?

  125. LGY December 5th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    heyman

    # Qredsox have not given up on a-gon. There’s a chance they could still do a deal w/o extension 37 minutes ago via web

    # Werth to nats is a blow to #redsox. Could revisit a-gon but word is spread in years was large (gonzalez wanted 8 yrs) about 1 hour ago via web

  126. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    SWP – there is no logical reason they would accept less…….there was also no logical reason they would have made the trade in the first place given what they got…..so its a moot point.

  127. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    With the great young talent the Nats have coming up, and the deals they seem to be willing to make now, will, IMO, make them serious contenders in the not so distant future.

  128. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    pat m-

    i think tiger is back though.

    he didn’t lose it at the end though; the other guy won it.

    great ending.

    as an aside, have you followed the stack and tilt new approach tiger is taking with his new swing coach?

    it might be a good approach for you. it’s much easier on the body than a traditional swing that has a big weight shift.

  129. LGY December 5th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    CB with the right thinking on the Beltre, Orioles thing

    Rosenthal

    #Orioles on clock after Werth signing with #Nationals. Nats proved you can overpay to get FA. O’s have made contact with Beltre. #MLB about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

  130. arjay December 5th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Gordon Edes is still in denial, tweeting it’s not over because Bosox execs don’t say it’s over.

  131. LGY December 5th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    jorgearangure: And for those who bring up shoulder surgery: if Boston was really worried about health they wouldn’t have already offered excess of 100m about 1 hour ago via Echofon

  132. arjay December 5th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Edes:

    I have every reason to believe Sox still talking with Gonzalez
    about 1 hour ago via Echofon .

    To clarify no one on Yawkey Way says deal is dead
    about 1 hour ago via Echofon

    But no tweets since then – maybe he & Gammons are comforting eachother.

  133. LGY December 5th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    AG left Boston at 4:30

  134. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Is the window closed or is it not? This is complete blsht.

  135. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    AL EAST 2011

    1. Yankees
    2. Blue Jays
    3. Red Sox
    4. Tampa
    5. Baltimore

  136. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    The window is not only closed, it’s locked.

  137. Laura - I Bleed Blue December 5th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    “Winning isn’t everything. It’s how much they pay you to play the game.”

    I guess. WAS isn’t anywhere close to being ready to contend. I guess Werth doesn’t care.

  138. 108 stitches December 5th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    With Derek Jeter signed, Casey Close is no longer a household name. Cliff Lee’s agent Darek Braunecker has taken center stage.

  139. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    after the Werth signing (and Crawford to follow), if i’m the Padres front-office, the price for AGon just went up. Instead of Boston’s previous lowball offering

  140. Tom in N.J. December 5th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    I’d reckon that after the Werth deal Gozo’s demands just went up.

  141. Fran the original December 5th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    The Yankees were all set to give up their best prospect,Montero,to get Lee in July….no way they miss out again,especially when it will only cost $..
    **********************
    DocTodd,

    Great point. If the Yankees want Lee, I am sure they can and will outbid any other team.

  142. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    Wow thank you all. Tar, vinny-b, RMS, Big Al. It is really good to be back. Probably good for me to talk about happy things when I’m here, like the continuing demise of the Sux. I find it therapeutic for me to concentrate on the good things in life, ha ha ha.

  143. start_wearing_pink December 5th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    There are no rules for the Red Sox. There is no time deadline. They make their own rules.

    If the window is closed, and the red sox are talking to the A-Gon, then it’s tampering.

    But I guess it’s not tampering if the other team is okay with it.

  144. RadioKev December 5th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    That Werth signing is completely insane. Absolutely mind blowing. What about Werth warrants that type of contract?

  145. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    We went out and got CC when everyone said he didn’t want to come east. Lee was rumored to be pumped in July when he was on his way so that problem won’t present itself. Money, the chance to play for a winner and play for the greatest franchise in sports means Cliff will be here come 2011.

  146. Joey Ramone December 5th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    “I guess. WAS isn’t anywhere close to being ready to contend. I guess Werth doesn’t care.”

    Werth won a ring a couple of seasons ago. It was clearly time to get paid!

  147. Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Maine…..Crawford would be great for about 5 years however Upton would be off the charts great for the NY Yankees…..Tin Cup, I’ve been hitting high irons a few times a week and I’ve become almost a slap hitter, much like a hockey player only with more of a follow through…..I did hit a few 5 woods and managed 220-230 yards…….The days of the big swing is a thing of the past, along with the 300 + drives….I’m fine with that….It’s still about getting up & down

  148. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    If you’re hitting 5 woods 220-230, 300+ with the driver cants be too far in the past.

  149. SAS December 5th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Trisha,

    I agree. It is good for the soul to think good thoughts. If I could follow my own advice, I would be better off. Baseball does take one’s mind off the less happy things going on in our lives.

  150. Wave Your Hat December 5th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    The contracts this off-season are going to show why it would be worth it for the Yanks to overpay in players to acquire someone like Justin Upton or Colby Rasmus.

  151. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    That Werth signing is completely insane. Absolutely mind blowing. What about Werth warrants that type of contract?
    —————————-

    nothing.

  152. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    trisha -

    You are truly one of the good things in life, so great to have you back.

    Staying positive is a way of live when you’re here.

  153. kd December 5th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    agon has to get more than tex. he might even want a 9 year deal

  154. LGY December 5th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Trisha

    I hope your are doing better and back to posting.

    Little scare for Cervelli fans the other night!

  155. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    I don’t blame AG asking for 8 years. He’s only 29 and plays first base. The Red Sox are just nuts; what the hell did they think they were going to sign him for?

    I wonder how much Theo and management see eye to eye on these things. Do they really think they are going to dictate to top players that it’s a short term deal or no deal?

  156. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    SAS -

    Think only good thoughts. Our family is going through a similiar situation, and all one can do is be positive, for this is felt by our loved ones as well.

  157. Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Rosenthal has Orioles in play for Beltre

    Heyman tweeting that Sox are working hard on Gonzales – big gulf in terms of years – Gonzales wants eight years as he should.

    Sox have to get this deal done for Gonzales or they will lose all credibility with their fan base – ratings will dip more and the sellout streak could be in jeopardy. On the side of Theo and the Sox is that the media and Jed Hoyer want this deal to get done. Working against Theo – Gonzales wants to be paid what the market dictates – and Gonzales knows that if he continues to put up his numbers – he would only be second to Pujols next year in free agency. Tremendous pressure on Theo right now – Gonzales is essentially his “Sabathia/Lee/Teixeira” all wrapped up in one.

  158. 108 stitches December 5th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    The Orioles need a 3rd baseman and will need to counter the Werth deal to nearby Washington.
    Adrian Beltre to Baltimore is not out of the question.

  159. Doreen December 5th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Skipping ahead, because I saw -

    Trisha -

    So good to “see” you! You’ve been in my prayers, and I hope you are well.

    Doreen
    ***

    So, Adrian Gonzalez goes back to SD? Good!

    Jason Werth to Washington for SICK money/years????? OY!

    Once again, a Boras client (mis)sets the market.

    Two minds here: This either means that Washington is all in on Lee (hey, Cliffie – we’re serious – we got Werth and spent a whole lot of money!) or out.

    What if no one offers Crawford Werth money? I mean, I know how things usually work – but WHAT IF the rest of the league says, NO! ?” What if no one wants to give him 8/$ridiculous? No one is forcing anyone to pay an ungodly amount, right? This is a serious question, BTW.

  160. LGY December 5th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Theo: Hey Boggs. Alright we will do 8/180 now.

    Boggs: The deal is 8/200 now.

    Theo: But! But!

    Boggs: 8/220. Say another word! :mad:

    Theo: Fine. Deal :(

  161. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    I hope you got my message Trisha. I was very sorry to hear the news; I went through something similar not to long ago.

  162. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    I hope AG holds out for not only the 8 years he wants, but, much more money, after seeing what Werth got.

    Pujols must be dreaming of the pay day he has coming next year.

    Get all the top FA’s signed this year, next year will be record breaking.

  163. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    “Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    Heyman tweeting that Sox are working hard on Gonzales ? big gulf in terms of years ? Gonzales wants eight years as he should.”

    When did he tweet this?

  164. Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Carlos….I used to be able to hit my 5 iron 190-200 yards…..I’ll be happy if I can get 165-170 with that club and that could be wishful thinking……Tin Cup still drives over 300 with ease….

  165. Joe from Long Island December 5th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    It’s not just Theo on this – for better and worse. It’s the whole organizational philosophy, plus the Sox’ finances and the ownership’s finances. We can surmise the Sox’ philosophy – it’s been written about enough – but can only make guesses about the financial resources aspects. And not only their wherewithal to make this deal, but wha happens if it explodes in their faces. Do they have the resources to recover if something happens to Gonzalez, to decrease his productivity? Can they absorb that kind of hit, and still have enough to put an AL East competitive team on the field?

    For the Red Sox, and their desires to compete against the big, bad Yankees, it’s time to put up or shut up.

  166. RadioKev December 5th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Sign me up all day long for Nick Swisher over Jayson Werth. Look at the numbers, and then look at the money.

  167. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    “SI_JonHeymanhearing #redsox still working hard on a-gon. reached on their cells, theo epstein and larry lucchino declined comment.
    25 minutes ago via web”

    I guess the timeline for boston is infinite.

  168. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Pat – 220-230 with the 5 wood is nothing to shake a stick at. Plenty long if the short game is sound.

  169. Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    In the eyes of the Gammons, the Ryans, the Cafardos, the Edes — Adrian Gonzales represents redemption for the failed pursuit of Teixeira. Teixeira was all but promised to them – they promised Mark to the Sox fan base – what no one knew was that the Sox had their limits and the Yankees were laying in wait after that meeting in Washington w/ Boras and Mark in November 2009 as a touch base/Teixeira expressing to Brian he wanted to be a Yankee.

    For the Yawkey way elite, for their dinner parties and Harvard luncheons, John Henry and company have to come through or this will be an unmitigated disaster. The thing is – Gonzales alone is NOT enough – they need to pair him with another bat to get back to the mid ’00s for offensive juggernaut. After the Werth signing, I am not sure where that will come from.

    Plus the dirty little secret of 2010 going into 2011 is that the Sox are pining all of their hope that Clay will pitch as he did in 2010 and not have a market correction to him like Dice-K had in 2009 after his bs 2008 season. Lester will be Lester though – a top notch pitcher with bumps in the road every now and then.

  170. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    “Sign me up all day long for Nick Swisher over Jayson Werth. Look at the numbers, and then look at the money”
    ——————————

    I love our outfield (Gardner, Granderson, Swisher). Best part of the team, IMO

    and my fave players to pull for

  171. SAS December 5th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Big Al,

    Sorry to hear that you too are in my situation. It is amazing how very nice the people here have been to me, and for others when going through problems. We may have differing thoughts about baseball, the Yankees, etc., but when it comes to being kind….that’s a different story.

    By the way, I do agree with what you say most of the time…just don’t put my 2 cents in all the time.

  172. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    pat m-

    great you’re back out there swinging.

    the short game is the big equalizer …
    except for gb7 because he doesn’t ever get close enough to the hole to have a short game.

  173. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Red Sox blog, Extra Bases reporting the deal is dead. Red Sox were not willing to even go match the deal Tex got.

    Hope this is true.

  174. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    This is really interesting. It seems like Ted Lerner the Nationals owner does chats with fans. This was one from a year ago.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=was

    Lerner is “werth” $3.2 billion now. In 2007 he was worth $1.5 billion. If he is willing to spend to win which it looks like he is; he might turn out to be George Jr. when it’s all said and done.

  175. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    SAS -

    Thank you, but, you need not agree with me to enjoy a pleasant conversation. Nice people, such as yourself, are always a joy to have here.

  176. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    I’ve definitely missed any current events here. I pray that everyone is okay, and families and friends are healthy…

    What happened with Cervelli, LGY?

    SAS, if you can find a way to focus on despising the Suxers, it can truly be a very fulfilling thing, especially when things happen like those things that appear to be happening right now. I don’t think I’m even going to be able to sleep tonight, waiting for tomorrow to come when I can put on WEEI and listen to the outrage that is sure to come.

    Oh I love the game of baseball. :)

    (SAS and Big AL – I do a lot of praying and talking to God. That definitely helps me through dark moments. Seriously. I know Pat M is definitely on board with that.)

  177. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    WC, you know I don’t love our rotation even with Lee, but I’m sorry, at least for me there is a line in the sand that I’m not willing to go over. I’d rather struggle than give Lee 7 years at some ridiculous amt of $$$. No, I don’t agree with that point.

  178. Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    BIG AL -

    If that is true – then that is just truly atrocious what Sox management has done – to their fan base. And shame on the media for getting that fan base’s hopes up – the media that wanted this deal to go down.

  179. Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Betsy wrote:

    “WC, you know I don’t love our rotation even with Lee,”

    SERIOUSLY???

  180. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Nick, I know that……….what’s your point? Let Lee choose between (as an example) the Rangers and the Yankees. If people are so confident that he’d choose the Yankees, they should want this

  181. Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Randy….the only holes that GB finds are the gopher holes in the deep rough…….I have a much shorter swing but I’m concerned about becoming to handsey if that makes sense…

  182. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Besty ok. If we don’t sign Lee and you were Cashman and it was totally up to you, what would you do.

  183. start_wearing_pink December 5th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    @Carlo Correct. There is no timeline. There are no rules that the Red Sox have to follow.

  184. Fran the original December 5th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Trisha,

    What is going to cause more talk on Boston radio tomorrow-the Gonzales deal falling through or the Jets/Pats?

  185. Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Betsy…Just think of the Yanks rolling into Boston or Anaheim or wherever for a 3 game set….Yanks roll out Sabathia, Cliff Lee, Young Master Hughes ???? Color me impressed….Tricia, I’m with ya….

  186. SAS December 5th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Trisha,

    I have hated the Sox for longer than you have been alive….HOWEVER, you put a big smile on my face with the way you presented it. Thanks. Afterall, that is what baseball is all about.

    You too, have been in my thoughts and prayers.

  187. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    WC, I have no idea, but I wouldn’t make a trade for some mediocre pitcher. The Yankees, unfortunately, find themselves in a position where they need Lee……but should they not land him, I would hope Cash has a backup plan.

  188. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    ———————————————————-

    Pete Abe says he ran into Boras, and Boras told him the RS want to talk about Beltre again.

    Me, I think that ship has sailed, and Beltre will wind up in Baltimore or Texas, I sure hope I’m right.

    Nothing brings a smile to my face, and warmth to my heart, than seeing the RS in trouble.

  189. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Now things are really starting to get interesting. I can’t wait for the season to begin.

  190. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Good line from Sandy Alderson on Werth deal.

    “That’s a long time and a lot of money. I thought they were trying to reduce the deficit in Washington.”

  191. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    pat m-

    great you’re back out there swinging.

    the short game is the big equalizer …
    except for gb7 because he doesn’t ever get close enough to the hole to have a short game.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    What a cheap shot, Randy. Just so you know…

    The lasr time that Orville Moody saw me way, I left him speechless. He just sttid there with his mouth open, shaking his head. He said that he’d never seen anything like it before, that it just gave him chills watching.

    Pretty impressive words from a US Open champ, huh?

  192. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Pat M, we’ve been through this before…….I just don’t agree. In any case, whatever Lee decides he decides. Unlike with CC, where I practically lived and died on every tweet, I just find myself not so emotionally involved with this. Maybe it’s because I knew CC wasn’t going back to Milwaukee…..

    As to your ? about Moose, I don’t remember how I felt back in 2001. I’m guessing I was not happy about the 6th year, but that’s just a guess……..

  193. RSM December 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    I’m just glad AG isn’t caving to the sox ridiculousness. I think he’s a better all around player than Ryan Howard, and his deal is $25 mil per year.
    Seems like the Sox want to steal players.

  194. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    WC, I have no idea, but I wouldn’t make a trade for some mediocre pitcher. The Yankees, unfortunately, find themselves in a position where they need Lee……but should they not land him, I would hope Cash has a backup plan.

    ***************

    Come on, I know you think about these things. You can’t just say no don’t do this deal without having some notion of a backup plan.

    What would you do?

  195. clownthrowindown December 5th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    UPDATE: According to Buster Olney (appearing on Sportscenter), the Red Sox are very much still in on Gonzo and have oppened up negotiations with them. This trade is not dead

  196. MaineYankee December 5th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Big Al

    What brings a smile to my face is if the RS go for Beltre we know Boras will make it hurt. :mrgreen:

  197. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    ***The last time that Orville Moody saw me play, I left him speechless. He just stood***

    I’m so shaken by his words to this day, I can hardly type.

  198. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Fran, that is a very good question. I’m going to guess that it will be the Pats/Jets because Monday on EEI is “football Monday” and they broadcast from Gillette. And in the afternoon they have a conversation (if that’s possible) with that bundle of joy Belichick. And Fran, even though there was happy happy talk when Gonzalez started to be in the picture, the majority of the talk was still Jets/Pats. They are as jittery as crickets on hearths, and they admit it. The whole fan base is a nervous wreck, even though they are trying to predict a Patriots win.

    I can almost hear Michael Holley saying that even though what is going on with Gonzalez is big news, they are going to put off talking about it until Tuesday because of the game Monday night. They really have been treating it like the playoffs.

  199. SAS December 5th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    I love that comment from Alderson. He certainly has a good sense of humor. Now I hate the Mutts too, but so far they have done absolutely nothing to improve their future other than a new GM and Manager.

  200. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Interesting in that it looks like the Lerner’s were/are really hands on if this is true:

    “Boras said talks began just before Thanksgiving when Nationals owners Ted Lerner and Mark Lerner met with Werth at Boras’ office in Newport Beach, Calif. The sides reached a preliminary agreement Friday”. — ESPN.com

  201. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    I can see it now in Boston, John Henry can spend a ton of money buying a soccer team, but, he won’t open his pocket book to pay elite baseball players to come to the RS.

    I wonder if they still burn witches in New England.

  202. BBFan December 5th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Trisha,

    Sorry to hear about your loss.
    My heartfelt condolences to you and your family.
    Very nice to see you back here.

  203. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Its sad that there isn’t a single reported out there who understands how the rules around this trade work. Everyone reports a deadline. The deadline passes 6 hours ago, and supposedly the sides are still talking.

    Is there anyone on here who understands what can be done right now and what can no longer be done?

    Can they still make the deal with no extenstion discussions possible?

    I’m back to being 85% sure he ends up in Boston.

  204. Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    GB….Gopher holes ….Betsy, had Joba stayed on track and Kennedy to a lesser extent, Cliff Lee may not be such a major topic right now….However he is needed…..Alternatives is slim

  205. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    WC, the backup plan would be to trade for a pitcher, but I have no idea who’s available.

  206. Bronx Jeers December 5th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    I know Jayson Werth is more well-rounded player than Dunn but there is something wrong here.

    Why wouldn’t the Nats just try and keep Dunn for half the price/commitment?

  207. MaineYankee December 5th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Fran

    What will be good radio is if the Pats lose on Mon.

    Of course it might be quiet because of all the bridge jumping that will be going on.

  208. Fran the original December 5th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Trisha, I know that the sports talk radio shows here are devoting most of tomorrow to Jets/Pats. But I am sure they’ll get some baseball hot stove talk in.

    How long does the converstaion with Bill Belichick last? I am sure it is not very exciting.

  209. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Maine -

    Love that smile, or was it a smirk!

    I think Beltre would say, You had your chance, but, given the current market conditions, lets start at Werth money, and go up from there, LMAO.

  210. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Pat, I swear on my grandmother’s brother’s, wife’s, cousin’s, husband’s ,sister’s grave that those were Orville’s exact words.

  211. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    West Coast, I actually thought it was lovely of you to reach out to me without hesitation despite where we had been. That really touched me. I should have told you that sooner. Thank you for that.

  212. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    OK Betsy, just thought maybe you had some thoughts on this. I myself don’t see a good backup plan as there are no good free agent pitchers available and to get anyone decent in a trade, I think the Yankees would have to give up a lot.

  213. MaineYankee December 5th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Big Al

    They were complaining about that soccer team purchase as soon as it happened.

  214. Fran the original December 5th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    What will be good radio is if the Pats lose on Mon.
    *********************
    MaineYankee,

    I would like to hear that. I so hope the Jets win.

  215. Triple Short of a Cycle December 5th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    As much as I despise Boston I will be pulling for the Pats tomorrow. I could never root for the Jets. Especially this Jet team

  216. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Maine -

    I was just thinking the same thing, and wondering if all the bridges and observation decks will be closed, in the name of public safety.

  217. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Pat M, I think Lee is a necessity, but I still draw the line at a certain point. As I said, I’d see the team struggle first before committing to a ludicrous deal. I’m sure the Yanks will make him a very fair offer; if that’s not good enough, then what can you do?

  218. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    WC, I already gave you my thoughts; if that’s not good enough, I’m sorry.

  219. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Thanks Trisha – smack talk on a blog is way down the list of important things in life. I’ve been where you are and I empathize. You hang in there. Friends and family will get you through it – they did with me.

  220. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    pat m-

    you obviously have good hands being an ex pro shortstop so why not use them in golf.

  221. 108 stitches December 5th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    The days of Boston looking for hometown discounts by lowballing Pedroia, Lester, and Youkilis are long gone.
    Their backs will be sore from trying to carry the team while wondering why they ever signed below market contracts along with buying out arbitration and prime free agent years.

  222. clownthrowindown December 5th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    still some optimism the a-gon deal could happen. deadline came and went but mlb allows for leniency with deals of this magnitude.
    4 minutes ago via web

    from Heyman

  223. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    GB7 -

    You were talking to the wrong guy, the one that told you that he was impressed with your golf game was Wilber Wright.

  224. randy l. December 5th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    gb7-

    i think the problem is you play military golf.

    you know .

    right,

    left,

    right,

    left.

  225. Pat M. December 5th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Tin Cup…..I’ve turned into Bobby Richardson on the links, but you’re still the Mick, as you hit them high and far…..

  226. G. Love December 5th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Gonzalez is going to end up in Boston. It’s being reported that he’s still in Boston negotiating tonight. He didn’t fly home. As for tampering charges I’m sure all they had to do is agree to the deal again and set another 72 hour window. I’m sure there’s no rules against that.

    If that’s the case, after the Werth contract, the Red Sox will give Gonzalez whatever he wants to close the deal since they can’t nickel and dime him with the market exploding in front of their eyes.

    They’ll be out of baseball soon if they toe the line with every star player they attempt to sign.

    Despite what Gammons and Theo think, they can’t exist in a vacuum building themselves only through the draft.

    In other words, don’t start celebrating the Red Sox screwing this up just yet.

  227. Doreen December 5th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Then why set deadlines?

    Deals involving trade/contract extensions are usually of some magnitude, aren’t they?

  228. clownthrowindown December 5th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Deal is done. A gon headed to #redsox. Press conf expected tomorrow
    2 minutes ago via web

  229. start_wearing_pink December 5th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    @triple short I would not even spit on you. You aren’t deserving of my spit.

  230. cs in la December 5th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Heyman said the Gonz deal is done. 1 minite ago via Twitter.

  231. G. Love December 5th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Gonzalez deal is done per Heyman. The league let them go past the negotiating window to get the deal done.

    You can all thank Boras and Werth for making this happen as the market they set shocked the Red Sox into paying the man what it took to get him to sign.

  232. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    No problem Betsy.

  233. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    BBFan, I thank you so much. It really feels good to be back. Without getting too sappy, there is no good way to express how much the support of my friends here meant to me. I was in such a desolate place and the kindness and love I got from people here was overwhelming. I’m sure others who have had bad times here and have gotten the same wonderful support have felt those same emotions. It’s really such a beautiful thing. I am so grateful, and so blessed, to share such a special bond. And I feel honored by it.

    My brother was extremely special. He was a doctor who did missionary work. He cared so much about others and so little about himself. I’m very proud of him. He definitely puts me to shame, but oh well what can you do. I’m just a good time Joe, loving my Yankees. :)

  234. start_wearing_pink December 5th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    # Jon_heyman_normal SI_JonHeyman Gonzalez is exactly what #redsox needed. Great move by them. Loose deadline may have helped get dea done. less than 20 seconds ago via web

    __

    lmao at any loser that dismisses the the different rules the red sox operate with.

  235. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Randy, that may be true, but to correct the direction on the course, you compensate by going left and right, tying knots in a cord to keep track of whether to hit left or right. Very complicated but, I’ve never gotten lost on the way to the bar.

  236. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Hahaha – amazing. baseball will do anything to help this team. absolutely comical.

  237. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Damn Sox! Bummer! Ruined my 10-4 day against the spread!!!!

  238. G. Love December 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    No use complaining about the Red Sox getting a perpetual “deadline”. It’s the way it is for every other team other than ours.

    Is it wrong? Yes. But there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

    Get ready for Gonzalez batting 3rd for them for the next bunch of years.

  239. pat December 5th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    jorgearangure If Adrian Gonzalez has been traded he’s yet to hear about it. #Padres #redsox

  240. start_wearing_pink December 5th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    @Carlo Im not even surprised any longer. I expected this from hour 1 of these negotiations. Anything that can be done to help the Red Sox will be done. Ask not what someone else can do for you, ask what you can do for the Red Sox is the motto MLB follows.

  241. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    San Diego should’ve renigged on the deal, and held them up for more. Bad move, there

  242. West Coast Yankee Fan December 5th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Is this extension that unusual, I have no idea.

  243. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Fran, I’m not sure how much time they have with him, maybe 1/2 hour. I typically turn it off when he comes on because he is such a full-of-himself dour phony, and they suck up to him big time. He really makes me sick. That’s my take on Belichick anyway. Besides, I’m not interested in the Pats or in what he has to say. I listen to EEI as a force of habit, especially during baseball season. But this Pats-Jets thing has definitely taken on a life of its own.

    Thats why it is imperative that the Jets win. :)

    *****************

    If Gonzalez goes to the Sux, BFD. They still have half a pitching staff and no Jason Werth. As always, I’m not afraid of them. At all.

    I figured I’d start early. :)

  244. clownthrowindown December 5th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    SD and Boston could have simply renewed the deal and created a new deadline. Extending the deadline simply save them the trouble. It was basically irrelevant.

  245. ZMAN December 5th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    “Get ready for Gonzalez batting 3rd for them for the next bunch of years.”

    And all because Hoyer is an idiot and couldn’t wait to help his former team.

    And Bud wonders why these small markets are a dying breed… trade your best player and hometown hero for Casey Kelly…

    I hope AGon at least got Tex-money. If he took a discount on top of this, Theo is some kind of magician….

  246. Mell December 5th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Gonzalez trade completed w/o extension per Sherman.

  247. Crawdaddy December 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    No matter what, if Boston wants to sign an extension with AGon they’re going to have to pay him especially after the Werth contract.

    No Red Sox discount here!

  248. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    How nice for MLB to extend the deadline for the Sox.

  249. SAS December 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Trisha,

    Thanks for sharing who your brother was. It gave me good bumps.

  250. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 5th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Well it was really nice being back with all of you. I think I will now turn my attention to my shambles of a fantasy football team.

    :)

    Big AL and SAS, if you have anything going on, please know you will be in my prayers. Whatever it is, hang in there.

  251. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    “Gonzalez trade completed w/o extension per Sherman”
    —————————————–

    hey, that works for me

  252. start_wearing_pink December 5th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    # As I reported earleir in day, it looks as if #RedSox and Gonzo have parameters of deal but will wait to finalize perhaps in spring (cont) 6 minutes ago via TweetDeck # When Gonzo can show his surgically repaired shoulder is fine. So no contract extension is part of this deal 6 minutes ago via TweetDeck

    haha, that means they wait until they avoid luxury tax. woohoo. the red sox do it right, and theyre never contrite. woohoo

  253. clownthrowindown December 5th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    If MLB was anti-Yankee, they would institute the much needed salary cap. The next best thing they can do is try to help a few other teams at least be competitive with NY and their obscene spending.

  254. Mell December 5th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    “How nice for MLB to extend the deadline for the Sox.”

    Sherman says no extension granted.

  255. G. Love December 5th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    No extension is even worse. They’ll do the same snow job on him they did on Youk and Pedroia and by season’s end he’ll take 5 years and 50 million as an extension because he loves Boston so much.

  256. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    be well, Trisha

  257. SAS December 5th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    :arrow: Off a building and into a plane

  258. vinny-b December 5th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    “No extension is even worse. They’ll do the same snow job on him they did on Youk and Pedroia and by season’s end he’ll take 5 years and 50 million as an extension because he loves Boston so much”
    —————————-

    no he won’t. Not if these contracts keep escalating

  259. Betsy December 5th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Gonzalez will sign an extension with the Sox……..oh well.

  260. Carlo December 5th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Who was that idiot earlier today who told me I was a conpiracy theorist who claimed they wouldn’t work out the extension now but would wait?

    Please identify yourself.

  261. Yankee Trader December 5th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Trisha-

    Welcome back to lohudland, your other family. May you always be comforted by the fond memories of your brother.

    Attached is an interesting article from the Boston Globe by Nick Cafardo on the impasse with AGon who by now should be landing back in San Diego-literally!

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....or_so.html

  262. Triple Short of a Cycle December 5th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    start_wearing_pink,

    how will I ever go on??

  263. BIG AL December 5th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    clownthrowindown December 5th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    If MLB was anti-Yankee, they would institute the much needed salary cap. The next best thing they can do is try to help a few other teams at least be competitive with NY and their obscene spending.

    *****************************************************

    If you have such a distain for the Yankees, and how they do business, why are you on this site? It makes no sense.

  264. Stoneburner December 5th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    per Heyman – contract with Gonzales will be 7 years at about 23 million – on top of 2011 salary at 6 million

  265. cs in la December 5th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    It was fun for a while, though. Wasn’t it?!

  266. PacoDooley December 5th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue December 5th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
    Why would Werth sign with the Nats? Is it really all about the money?
    ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

    Not ALL about the money, but this is a crazy offer that someone cannot refuse unless winning is so far above making money that they are basically willing to make a giant sacrifice. Like say what you want about A-Rod going to Texas, but that contract was impossible to refuse. I am very (very) competitive, but I would feel like a fool taking say $180m (or whatever he could have landed) instead of $252m – Werth is not quite in that situation, but the difference is analogous.

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